Recapping ‘Survivor 50’ Episode 3! | The Pod Has Spoken

ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА -О! ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА -What's up, everyone? Welcome back to the Pod has spoken. Very exciting week for us over here with Ashley and Riley. We hit number two on TV and film on Spotify. Number 80, we peaked overall worldwide podcast last week. We're hoping that our guests today will boost us one step further on both fronts. We have from season 46 who actually played with Q. Hunter, what's up, dude? You're a favorite, everybody loves you. -Maybe that's true, maybe that's true. I haven't convinced myself of that yet. But also, that's a big expectation to come after. This is the best we've ever been. And now we've got this guy who's going to take us even higher. -Even higher. -We're trending, we're trending up. -We were trending up now. It's a rollercoaster. -I don't know if I'm done. -We need to be a backup on the Uswing. Let's get, we just had a little bit of a dip and now we're going to skyrocket. -And if it helps all of our listeners who may be, or just listening to their headphones, we are shirtless. -Yes. -If you want to swing over. -Match that subscribe. -Yeah. -I want to start episode three. I mean, first of all, season 50, incredible. We need more of returning seasons. Is that kind of the consensus? How are you feeling about this, Hunter? Is this more exciting than what the new era has been? Or is it just me being old and crabby? -No, it is more exciting. And I think the reason is, we don't have to spend so much time getting to know these characters. Like, we don't need the backstories. We don't need to be like, okay, who was this? Was this Jacob or was this the guy from, like, Arkansas? We don't have to do that. They jump right into it. And we've seen that in episode one. We've got beef and, like, matchats going across, like, between coach and Aussie. Like, how do they, like, how does that, you'll never get that on a new B-season, where people on different chives are already, like, beefing with one another. You just won't. And so you just take all faster into it. And I think that's just a testament of what returning seasons can do. -I think so too. I think that the gameplay starts immediately. And everybody has-- -For some people, it started before. -It started before. It started a year before, even five years before. And not only that, all these players have preconceived ideas of how their game is going to go and how their relationships with each person is going to go, who's going to get voted out. First, they have everything set, like, they have it, like, a rough outline of how they dream their season to be. And so you go in, and sometimes having those ideas, getting stomped out, can be a little bit startling for people and make them then also scramble a bit as they realize the conversations they had before the game are not what they're actually getting in the game. And I do believe, yeah, I think returning seasons, we do talk about pre-gaming, and that does make it difficult sometimes to follow the storyline. But I think there is a world, maybe, where production could really be strict on pre-gaming rules, and be like, if we hear that you told a single person, you're out. That's it. You can talk to people. You can have a great time going to the functions and stuff. But if you tell people you are in the circle for season 52, you're just out. We just, like, the zero tolerance. I mean, it's incredibly hard to try to do that. You know, I don't, it's like, do you have moles? Do you have people who are like the snitches? Like, if you can find somebody who's-- You can find somebody who's-- Yeah, or you find someone who's going to snitch on you, they get your spot. Like, you have people who are like, to get in, you have to find someone who's pre-gaming. Yeah, you have to find somebody who's pre-gaming. But the thing is, then you, that person that exits would also know the other person was pre-gaming. So then, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it is. Here's what I think they should do. And I tried before season 46 started. I gave Jeff, like, we had to sit down. We got to meet with the producers. And it was fun. And somehow it devolved into, like, we're now giving Jeff ideas for seasons. I don't think he asked for that. But somehow it got there. I told him what you need to do. If you have a lot of people, like, get more people. But when a tribe loses, like, let's say, instead of three, tribes of eight, they had two tribes of 12. And when you lose, what you do is you draw out of a bag and you get paired with somebody on your team. And you would get voted out together. And so, let's say that me and you, Tyson, do not like Riley. We're like, we've been talking trash about Riley. I like Riley. The whole time. Okay. Fine, you're all right. Hypothetical. Hypothetical, obviously. Okay. But we got to the challenge that we lose. And one of us is now attached to Riley. And that if we vote Riley out, I'm going to. And so I think it could take those pre-relationships that you have also. How funny would it be if you were actually handcuffed to them for the rest of the day? Like, two people that absolutely just do not like. Chrissy was kind of the kicking, the person I was getting kicked and the other job. What if one of them got handcuffed to Chrissy? No, actually, I think Chrissy is great. Let's not vote on Chrissy, please. They had to wear a big t-shirt that fits both of them in it. Yeah. That would be, that would be great. That would be great. So you would be decentifies from losing challenges. Because right now, people could throw challenges if they have these pre-made alliances. They're pretty sure in them. But if you get paired with the person that we want to get out of here, I think Angelina is kind of on the bottom and one and Chrissy is on the bottom. And so if it comes a little bit more risky and then you can get rid of people faster. Because you get two at a time, like the double. But I don't think it was heated or. It's because you're not Billie Eilish. I know. Billie Eilish. She can come up on the start first. Okay. This is where it starts though. I think it was me. I'm going to demo some songs on this podcast. That's okay. Okay. We don't talk about songs. Yeah. We're going to talk about some songs here in a second. But first, let's get into it. Tremel shows up at Sila. And this is the first time I've heard that the solid four is Christian Rick Serie and Emily. Ozzie's not in there. Ozzie's not with Serie. Who is Serie's number one Ozzie or is it not Ozzie? No, I think it's Ozzie because she wasn't the one. She didn't say that she did also. She did say her four was that four, too. Yeah. She did not have Ozzie in that circle. Yeah, she definitely said it was with them after. Yeah, you're right. After they came and talked to her. She was like, I locked in with these guys. Yeah. Yeah. She took her advantage and left. She took advantage of us. Oh my gosh. But Ozzie, given her the advantage, wasn't as powerful as them telling her about the Billie Eilish boomerang idol. As we call it, the B-E-B-I. That's the B-B-I. Yeah. The B-B. The B-B-A. The B-B-I. The B-B-I. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So do you like, as a concept, do you like the idea of the the Billie Eilish boomerang idol? I know they make them say the whole phrase every time. Yeah. They for sure do that. Like, can you retake that, say, Billie Eilish in front of it? I don't hate the idea. I think that adding these new strategic layers where you want to watch a player navigate for the first time and not understand fully what the repercussions of it are or how it will mold into the players. Arsenal. So I don't, I don't hate it. I think you have to make it a little less powerful than what I read. I think a standard idol is the most powerful thing that should be introduced to the game. I don't think you go above that. So now you can introduce weaker idols, which is a weaker idol in some capacity. Because you can only play it for yourself. It goes to someone else first. The information is going to get out because of that. So I think there's, I think there is, I want to see how it plays out here. I want to see it play out a few different ways. Like I want to see somebody get the idol back. I want to see, yeah. I want to see somebody get the idol back or try to get someone's going to get it back. Do you think someone's going to get it back? Do you think someone's going to, like, if you got that, would you expect, like, are you playing it so that you could get it back? Are you giving it to a friend? Give it to a friend, hoping that maybe it comes back. You can't. Oh, I like you can give it to you. Yeah, if you found it. I'm giving it to an ally. I'm giving it to an ally, hoping that worst-case scenario, it comes back to it. Yeah. Yeah, that is true. Because it is like almost a backup plan. I think there is, I think it is counterproductive to them not wanting people to pregame though. Because it incentivizes pregaming. Like, if I didn't have any friends out there, I wouldn't know who to send it to. Which would be great. But if I do have friends like, this is the easiest choice of my life. I will send it to the person who we talked for four months about how we're going to work together and they'll know it came from there. me. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to see boomerang idols on 51. I'll see new players that don't know each other navigate the boomerang idol. See what they come up with. I think it'll be interesting too. If it comes up on future seasons because on this season, the person receiving it doesn't know what the boomerang is. They don't know that it goes back to what they're risked. You know, Genevieve or whoever, but on future seasons, if you get a boomerang idol, you know, immediately, okay, somebody sent this to me and they might have a target on me or whatever now. So it could be one of these advantages that, you know, you feel like maybe you just have to flush or you just play at the swap right the merge. Yeah. Awesome. Now, you know, he has no idea that it's like, oh, if I get voted out, this idol goes to somebody, you just think, I thought Q was going to tell him that. Like for a second there, I was like, Q's about to tell him, if you thought he was, and I'm saying, oh, this is a choice. This is a choice to do that. Yeah. Well, let's get, let's get to this first one with Sila, Christian and Rick. They kind of, everybody kind of figures out it's probably going to be a swap, like with this Tremel showing up. And Christian and Rick talk about who should claim this idol, how they should tell Surya and Emily. Was Christian brilliant here? They're making Rick claim that he found the idol and gave it to Aubrey and tell Surya and Emily or was, is that too big brained or does it not matter? Riley hates it. I just didn't understand it. And I feel like if I were, I guess it's a good read from Christian because Devons was into it. He was like, I love this idea. But if, because if I had been Devons shoes, I would have been like, this weirdly puts some heat on me as like the idol guy and then, you know, having to share it. And, oh, then if Aubrey goes home, then everyone assumes you have an idol, which is like weird. I don't know. I just, it feels like overly complicated and I don't understand the benefit. But we know Christian is a pretty brilliant mind. And so maybe he has something that I'm not seeing here. There's only two reasons I saw that it might be good. One was, Christian mentioned that Rick had a connection with Aubrey and Christian didn't know him. And so they began to say, Hey, Christian, why would you send it to Aubrey? In my review, they had conversations beforehand. So obviously he would, you've kept this from me to at least Rick knew and helped you decide why I wasn't in that. And the second one just is by who Christian is. I think Christian can act surprise better than Rick is because Christian's expressions are just so all over the place. I don't think anyone would look at, like even when he's sitting there besides Surya looking surprised, you're like, okay, this guy, I don't know if he's lying or if he's not lying because he's just so animated. So I think he could sell a surprised, wow, better than Rick probably good. And Rick already is used to telling news in his day to day life. So, you know, being the courier of that probably wasn't too hard for him. But other than that, I thought his acting there, I thought his acting there was like devastatingly bad, but then you're also like, it's just Christian though, yeah, that is true. He was like a silent actor, you know, they have to like over-emote everything. I mean, it goes in line with his Charlie Chaplin of the week of last week tripping at tribal council. And now he's just leading more into is that Vadaville? Is that what we call that? Yes. But speaking of that, yeah, with Tyson, did you ever feel like that feeling of getting light headed every time you stood up on Survivor? I felt that all the time. Like when they put this in a tense, I felt it a little bit, but I feel it a lot now in my regular life at the age that I'm at. There's actually been moments recently where I've been like playing pickleball even where I had to look at my group and be like, I feel light headed after a pretty long rally just heads up if I just like sit down on the ground out of the blue. Don't worry about it. Just know that that's why. And I just like, I come from cycling where we don't eat a lot. We didn't eat a lot. We didn't eat to start our day. We trained to start our day. And so I still try to do that sometimes. And I think I should not do that. I should eat first. Well, me as a normal person who has been on Survivor and wasn't like a like a cyclist, a professional cyclist, I felt a lot of light headedness when I was getting up and down. So I can, like Christian had a great cover there because I've got a little light headed and then he has a kind of a test to it. So it's not that crazy for him to fall in. No, I would definitely feel that now. I would for sure feel that now. And so yeah, I mean, he covered fine. And also who's going to just like assume that somebody's going to fake eat shit at tribal council, you know. So I think it worked out great for them. I'm excited to see what they do with that hidden idol who knows what's going to come of it. But it would be cool if it was effective. If it was a real idol, could that work? Like if let's say us four, we're going to group and we knew as split was coming. And I was like, Hey, let's hide my real idol behind the voting earn. Yes. The camera could see it. Could we say it's any of ours to take? Like, yeah, I'm giving permission. Because I think they would like it as like a producer. Like that would be interesting. And you would see the idol every time someone voted, but what if someone else finds it? Like I don't know how it works. Okay. So I because you know, if you hide your idol in your bag or I guess in the woods, is it anybody's bury it and somebody finds it? My understanding is it's theirs. Really? They can't steal it from your back. They can't steal it from your bag. But if they if you dug a hole in the sand and hit it and someone else stumbles upon it, that is then theirs. That is I have been I had an idol. I had a couple idols on blood versus water. And I was told, if someone dug up my idol where I had buried it, it would be theirs. Is there ever a world where you would steal one of your friends' idols if you knew they buried it and pretend like someone else found it? It's nice to take his friends. Maybe, maybe I don't know. It depends. If we're friends, I feel like I wouldn't have to. You could just have a conversation on the bottom. If y'all turn the bottom and like you know it's coming. And I knew it was me and my friend was not doing anything to help me. I guess that's an inspiration in the name of playing the game survivor you'd have to. You're on your own, buddy. I have to. Yeah. But then it's not you and you blade the idol and everything went heavy. He was going to go. Now you've got some enemies. Everybody. And that's the messiness of survivor. You know, that's what it is. We go to the reward mats and Jeff is wrapping. He memorized this whole thing apparently. I didn't see any earpiece or anything. Probably one take if I know, Jeff, fun. It was something. I think Charlie's reaction, one of the minor reaction, he was like, okay, it's like, what is happening? What do you think was going through his head? He was like, this is this is going to, this is going to sell. I think Jeff is trying to take himself not as serious now. Okay, I don't know. I feel like this is, it gave me like 90s science teacher guy who's just like, hey kids, rib-a-rib-a-rib-a-rib-a-rap. We're rap-tastic, rapping all the time. And you're like, okay, this is not cool. But like I think he's, I think he wants to be part of the joke and be in on the joke and be the joke too. And Riley's not. I think it's the worst, no, like worst Jeff moment I've ever seen ever more than the British accent. Yeah, and like, I never thought I anything could top the fried chicken and waffles, which I thought was, like maybe just want to crawl into my skin and this moment about killed me. It about killed you. I just actually checked to see if the fried chicken and waffles moment had aired by the time he, he did this and it had. And it aired in May and they filmed this in June. So he saw the reaction to fried chicken and waffles and he was like, I'm going for it again. I'm going to keep going. Second, yeah, I'm going to charm. This one's going to sell. I mean, why didn't they have Billy Eilish out there doing it? Also, has Billy Eilish like acknowledged this idol, like anyone like her, not yet? It's unclear. We've been saying it's unclear if it's Billy Eilish or just some guy named Billy Eilish, Billy Eilish, that they found that were like $15 free in real name of this. And he's like, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I want to hear the Jeff rap without the music over it. I want to hear the Acapella version that the contestants heard. Yeah. Give us that out. We're going to talk to you tomorrow about that and see what he, how he feels about it. Because I actually, I thought about that when they were snapping. Yeah. Yeah. They snapped in time the whole time. Because I think they snapped in time the whole time. But I think, but the music over the top made it not so bad. You were like, you heard it here. Tyson liked it. Tyson said it was great. I'm not going to hear it. Listen to it again. Ever. I mean, survival probably posted to their social medias and you'll hear it. But I'm not seeking it out. What is your hope hunter when you get into a new tribe swap? because we're out of tribe swap here. Jeff wraps about the tribe swap. Everyone's mind is blown. Do you think that Jeff's plan is like, let's do something mind blowing. And then if I wrap, the reaction is going to be positive anyway is because it announces a tribe swap. Do you think he wants them to have a positive reaction? Like, I don't think he would, like he just wants a reaction. And he got one with a wrapping. But I mean, as a player, what am I looking for in a tribe swap? Is that what you're asking? Yeah. It really depends on who you're looking at. Like, I wrote down, because there's so many players, I had to write down who was even on what tribe. I think if you have more written down for you. Like, I had to, I got them written down. But like, I think if you're like an Aubrey, you're excited about a tribe swap. If you're, yeah. Let's see, Chrissy, unknowingly, should be excited about a tribe swap. But then if you're the people on the other side who have spent the last six days developing these relationships, you're like, no, I haven't even got to play with these people that I have been working so hard with and like putting up with and being nice to. Like, I've been so, so good. I was listening to your analogy on like that. I didn't burn the bridges in my small town before I left it. Like, I've actually become the mayor here. Why aren't we now making me move? Yeah. So let me move and tell that I burned the bridges down then. I can, yeah, give me a chance. But it is funny because I know they, they probably set this, but like on day seven, we are definitely doing a tribe swap. I don't think they make that on the fly. But it does. It's hard to say whether it be good or not before the fact. I think it may have been early for a tribe swap because we saw a lot of dynamics that were just building and beginning to faster. We had this whole tension of cue doesn't have a vote. Colbert doesn't have a vote. How are they going to work through this little thing? And then we have the whole, everyone doesn't like Chrissy. Like, how is this going to work? And then it's just like, oh, for not. And there we go. But it is great for a few for you if you're on the bottom. You burn those bridges and get out of there. Then you end up on the same trial. I mean, you're not purposely burning bridges and exiting. It's just like if you mistakenly burned bridges or things weren't going in your favor, then it's a good reset. You're not hunter. Don't go back and be like tribe swap in three days. Let me burn everything down to the ground and then go. You're like, you never know how the tribe swap is going to play out. It actually just turns back around and brings you back to the same camp, dude. Like that. Yeah. Guys, I burned everything to the ground, planning on a tribe swap, which there was what I didn't plan on was all of us still being on the same tribe. I'm so sorry. That was the only reason I did any of that. I'm a new man. I don't think that sells pitches going to go great. I have a question though. Was yeah. Okay, he had two different trays. He was like alternating which one he was handing out. Do you think there was something in that or it was just like convenience? Like do you think there was like a certain number of this? Like I need to make sure that I don't. I imagine there were all three split amongst the two trays evenly. Okay. It's an act kind of like almost guarantees that you can't or well know. I guess it would split even if they had if it was like all on one thing then all blue was on one all pink was on another and then orange was lit. You'd have a greater chance of mixing them up. But we didn't get a challenge. I wish we would have had a challenge there where maybe a new idea is a challenge somehow a challenge to determine what the tribes will be. I liked it back in the day when they made them rank themselves like from strongest to weakest and then they split them up that way. I thought that was like that kind of stuff probably just it doesn't go well, but that's what's so funny. Like as all these people do already know each other. Like doing that on new season is funny. But then when you do our attorney season where they know here's what they do. You have to they have to rank themselves individually from most honorable to you. Imagine coach and Joe fighting with Colby over who's the most honorable. But did you you saw coach and Joe when they realized they're on the same drive. It's so fun because we talked about this last time I was with a podcast about how I wanted to just be like this honor off on season 5 between coach and Joe and I hear it is they're like going to work together. It's great. Dude, you're a prophet. I kind of wanted to be rivals though and have to go against each other in the honor off. But I guess together is still fun. In an honor off or maybe one of them does something that the other one considers not honorable and then they just like lose their minds. And then the other one loses their mind for being accused of not being honorable. Like could this be the rivalry we've always wanted. Like I I really do believe though. Like break yourself from most trustworthy to least trustworthy because you can't everyone has to fight to be the most trustworthy. Like as a person in playing survivor, you have to put on whatever facade that you're the most trustworthy person out there to certain people. There's a world where Tyson you walk to the least trustworthy. Like I'm just going to I'm just going to stand over here. Just so we're clear. Like someone has to take it right. Someone has to take it. But it's like do you fight to prove your trustworthiness or do you just like sit in the back and hope nobody looks at you because then at the end of the day, just going to be like and least trustworthy over there, we have hunter interesting hunter. What devious plans do you have in the darkness of your heart? Just here we are, Jeff. Here we are. So I I think that trustworthy till I heard that rap and then I changed my mind. I think that's what they do. Most trustworthy to least trustworthy and every third person is on one tribe, every third person is on the other tribe. That way you're mixing up all the all the guys who think they're the most trustworthy are all split up and everything's like I don't know. I just think you could you could mix it in and have some fun. You've got to put all the most trustworthy on one tribe and then have those. Yeah. Okay. I disagree. This is like a it's kind of like a hero's versus villains. We could do two tribes with all of the untrustworthy schemers and all the honor and integrity people on another. Yeah. You don't want middle of the roads to do three like you got honor. You got the okay, just two. You got to pick a side. Okay. You're either a trustworthy or you're not trustworthy. Dude, I actually like this too. You have two mats out there and you're like no, you can't start with two mats. You have to start with them just listing themselves from most trustworthy to least trustworthy and then this is like a this could be a good like fan vote too because people are going to be like you're saying Jason where everyone says, oh, you know, I'm trustworthy. I'm you know, whatever. And it's like if you get put on the untrustworthy tribe and you're like, hey, what the fuck? And Jeff is just like, this is what the fans voted. They think they're the skimmer fans. They hate you. So you can have the fans vote or you can have each other vote. Do you imagine it for some person? You have to vote for one person who's the most trustworthy and then they'll let you vote and then you and then whoever. What? front of everybody? You have a lot of parchment. And then they read it. They're like, they're like, Joe got the most votes for trustworthy. He's on the trustworthy tribe. So and so got the most votes for being a skimmer. They're on the skimi skimi side back and forth. Something like that. We'll workshop it. People in the chat. Let us know. I think that there is something there. And let's see it for 51. Yeah. So everybody just goes back to camp. They just get to go back. And I did forget to mention one thing. The titles are back. Is this the first year? Is this the first episode this season? We saw the titles. The. Yeah. The intro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Did you notice? Did you notice the thing in the the intro, the Mr. Beast coin? What's been in around? I saw that. Oh, I don't even know what the Mr. Beast coin looks like. So it's more of the. Beast games. Oh, it said Beast games on it. Uh-huh. And I have to like a little survivor. Not a survivor, but it's a little like lightning bolt, which in his Beast games means there's like a chance for him to double the money if you flip it. But like you're at risk of going home. And so there's there's something like that has to be I we've seen that the survivor was on Beast games. So I'm sure Beast games is going to be on survivors. So a little yeah, I see a chatter about it on on social medias. People are waiting for Mr. Beast to somehow show up because they were out there filming at the same time. Every week that he doesn't show up, I get like more and more anxious about it. I'm like, oh, this is going to have a bigger and bigger impact on these things. It's a final tribe where he's like, if you flip this coin, you're automatically win. Yeah, that's where we're like creeping towards. Just like at 10. They're like, okay, can we just rip the bandaid off already? You can do it first. Yeah. I do like the the intros though as a player. Oh, yeah. It's so fun to see your own intro. You have a certain feeling and emotions connected to it. And so I'm happy that this cast got those for themselves. It is a moment where like like my intro from my first season made it into like some season 50 promo stuff. So I think that some of them are iconic. Some of them aren't like I've had ones where I'm like, they use that sequence of me. So hopefully everybody got a good one. That's our hope for the people this season. One that they at least liked because they were definitely at least like their their police because I coach going to do his little taekwondo in a cave with like the water splashing around is probably a little bit more dramatic. and like the two clips of someone smiling, like really fast back and forth smiling and looking. Yeah, or somebody doing a challenge that they're not really good at. And you can tell in their slow mo of like, I'm trying to swim. Let's talk about the tribes. So we go back. Everybody's in a new tribe. We will start with Calo. So we have Calo here. This is Joe and coach and Colby all have core values that are similar. They're so excited. And we get a throwback to coach beating Colby in here as versus villains, which is so fun that Colby still like thinks about that and remembers it. And coach talks about the warriors code. Honor and integrity to things he values most. Is this group going to run this tribe over here? But Colby has connections with people outside of this group, right? I'm like looking back at my nose. Yeah. Colby is Stephanie. He's Stephanie for sure. Yeah, he has Stephanie for sure. Is Colby as honored integrity as the other two? Is he? I think so. He took Tina to the finals in his first season. He didn't have to and she ended up beating him on heroes versus villains. I don't think he did anything extra devious. So I believe that he's in a spot where he can at least integrate with these guys. And it seems like he is excited and happy to be with this grouping too. But we had he part of like the scandal like dig through Aubrey's bag. Was that am I going to confuse? Was he on that? He was. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. But that hasn't come out yet. And coach and Joe might also be okay with that. I think they would be okay with that. Someone's not honorable. You can go through people's bags if they're not honorable. If you're suspecting suspecting them being sneaky, you can expose that. Bring that to the line. If they're dishonorable, go ahead and go through the bag. You just as an honorable person can't go through another honorable person's bag. Also, isn't it hilarious whenever he gets like his friends and his new friends in the alliance? He's like, now that I've got some like backup, we need to go tell Chrissy how awful she's. Coach was correct in coaching her, but he coached her incorrectly. He didn't say he shouldn't have said you're talking too much. I don't think it's the talking. It's not the talking. It's the bossing. It's the being trying to be the leader. It's like telling people what dimensions the shelter needs to be like four by two. I don't even know what she was talking about there. I would be like, No, we don't have papers. We're just getting some ramshackle rain thing together to not get soaking wet. So coach, if he has, if she is his ally, he is correct in giving her a heads up. He did not deliver that news correctly, though. I don't think she got the right message. She got the message that she talks too much. The message she should have received is, don't be bossy. And then she's like, we've been beside him. She's like, we've been beside him. And he's oblivious to the fact that she's just like over there weeping. It's like, oh, yeah, she goes and has her girl talk, which is going to bond her to them. Yeah, absolutely. And so she's with she's with who Genevieve and Aubrey and Tiffany. This was a weird, because like, she goes with Aubrey and Genevieve, but then we get none of that conversation. It's just Chrissy narrating over the entire thing. Yeah. Yeah. So was there a conversation? I think the conversation was probably just the same, but maybe it's something to say. So she actually bonded with them. We're like, what happened there? Yeah. She does take the lesson and she's ready to change up her game, but does she have the correct information to change up her game the way she needs to? That's what I don't know. She's just not going to talk at all. She's going to cry. Yeah. Just silent. Just ask them. And then they made her the caller and the challenge. Like, actually, I want you to want you to boss us around. You're so good at it. Tell us where to go. I mean, we're going to get into that. We'll get into the challenge because the callers, the blindfolding, all of that does have. There is thoughts. I always have thoughts on the blindfold ones. I hate those challenges. But before we leave the callo tribe pre-challenge, Genevieve wants Aubrey gone and isn't afraid to tell every single person multiple times on that tribe how she wants Aubrey gone. Yeah. Is this good or bad? I mean, I don't why am I even asking of such a leading question is so terrible. Genevieve, I love you. I met her in person a couple a few weeks ago. Amazing. Super kind. Super nice. Super fun. Why are you naming names before you've even lost a challenge and before you even feel the dynamics of the group out? Yeah. To everybody. She doesn't even know if she likes the people she's talking to. No. And she's not even like giving time to see where the dust settles like who sits with who around the fire. I like you. I think Genevieve is great. But it's been weird watching her on season 50. She's come out here and feels playing a completely different game than what she did to begin with where she was like very much in the shadows willing to make things happen in 47. But with 50, she's like, I'm going to be out in front and you're all going to know exactly what I think and we're going to do this exactly how I want it to. Which I've been surprised by but like, hey, props to you. You're changing your game. But it doesn't seem like at least from what we've seen the way Tiffany reacts and she goes to Aubrey. It's not quite the right read there. Right. Tills really rushed. Yeah. Yeah. Tiffany immediately blows the lid off of Genevieve's plan and I have to feel like this is not good for Genevieve. Like shopping Aubrey around so hard and to mixed reaction. I think most people are like, yeah, okay. But Tiffany definitely not not in and use that information to lock Aubrey and with her. Which is great. If you can use that information against somebody who you're not sure of to win somebody else over, then you know take that opportunity. I want to go to the new Sila. Sila. I'll get it eventually. What's the color? By the finale. Sila. I don't know, but I was okay with so many tribe swaps. Let's just go by the color of the boss. Let's abandon tribe names. Somebody in our chat said, shouldn't we name a new tribe every time there's a swap? Just give them a new name so that we don't have to say Sila to new Sila. Whatever new Sila is what we say. But if we just say new orange, then I feel like we're simplifying it by one degree. We at least got to drop you like the challenge stuff where it's like, Sila hasn't won a challenge yet this season. It's like, well, five out of the seven of them are different people now. So it doesn't really matter. That doesn't count. It's just one person. Yeah. So we go to Sila and we have Devons and Seri are pumped to be together. They are pumped. They're I didn't realize how locked in they were, but sharing this idol that Aubrey has, I guess, did lock them in or if they weren't already locked in before. And we have a for some of De Camilla, Jonathan and Charlie. De Camilla. Yeah. Four to the four pack. And then we have the two of Seri and Devons and we have Rizgot all by himself. And the moment we get here on this tribe, is Rizgot and Charlie vibing, Charlie falling in love with Rizzo, then Rizzo asking about Maria. If they talk anymore, Charlie says, no, I wouldn't either. Like that's devastating. That is absolutely devastating. They replay Charlie's loss in the finals. Do you think it's a mistake for Rizzo to bring that up? Like I think he was going to get from it. What do you think he was going to get from it? Like was he like, you know, this is going to put Charlie in a really great place and get him excited to work with me. Yeah. I don't know. I think just his fan brain was curious. Like how deep is that cut, but it does not put Charlie in a great headspace in the moment is yeah, and puts him actually in a negative headspace as we see towards Rizzo, especially because they talk about Rizzo and his relationship with Savannah and ask him who his best friend was on 49. He says, Sophie and that he did not vote for her in the end. He voted for Savannah. And Charlie immediately is like, he has to go. He cannot be. He can't be anywhere near me at the end. Yeah. And that was, I was surprised by that with Charlie. Charlie's reaction to this surprise me because Charlie's usually really level headed and it's like, I can work with anybody. But he like, I guess with Rizzo picking at this cab has just fully like fallen back into it. It's like you will not touch a jury seat if I have anything to do with it, which is not how Charlie plays. And I think that's what makes him so successful when he doesn't play that way. But I don't, do you feel that way Tyson? If someone's like, I'm gonna not gonna vote for my friend, I'm gonna vote for the best one. Because I think Charlie would also be that way. I think Charlie as a player would but his feelings aside and vote for who he thinks played the better game. Because I did that, like I was closer with Kenzie than I was with Charlie. And I thought Charlie played a better game, so I vote for Charlie. Right. Oh, that's interesting. 'Cause Charlie benefits from the same mindset that he feels cost him the win. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that's what's so weird about it. I'm like, man, why is? 'Cause it was clear that Savannah kind of swept. Like Rizzo said, it didn't even matter because everyone was voting for her anyways. But I think there's three ways to vote. There's probably more ways. Somebody will correct me. Maybe there are 'cause a million ways to vote. There's three ways to vote. As a jury member. It's alphabetically. Who you, yeah, alphabetically. It's who you thought played the best game. Like who dominated the game? It's who you like the most, who you want to have the money the most. Like who's the best person in your mind based on your interactions with that person. And spite, just to make sure somebody else doesn't. Definitely. And. How do you think Maria voted? Spite. Oh, okay, that is, yeah. See, I don't think Rizzo voted that way. I don't think his vote was out of spite. But Charlie obviously thinks it was. Which is weird. Yeah, yes. Do you think that they'll come around? Or do you think Charlie will come around on Rizzo? Or do you think Rizzo is dead to him? I don't know. That confessional Charlie was very serious. Like his face was like locked in. Like he was staring at the camera. Like he will not get near a jury seat. And I'm like, oh my goodness. This is gonna go really bad. If you're like so set on voting out Rizzo. Like how is a Rizzo your number one enemy? I don't know. So Charlie now is going to ask everyone how they would vote in the end for their friend or for the best player or for like he's trying to figure. That's like all he dictates his game on now. All his moves are just based on that. I think it's not an incorrect read on Charlie. But I think Charlie, and I think he will. I think he'll come around to stepping back and being like, can I use Rizzo as Rizzo a guy that is trust me then why not? He may be hesitant to move forward too far with him. But I think Charlie will come around. It was weird how long it was. So it was like the night before when that happened. He was still kind of like stewing on it whenever he had his confessional. And he says, man, he's really one of them. But Charlie's level headed. He'll rally. He'll come back. That's what I think. I think it's interesting that it seems like this season has a lot of over correction from a lot of players for whatever they did in the past. Like even with Joe, with Genevieve. Like they're like, oh, I did this wrong last time. Let me just very much do the opposite. And it's almost detrimental to their game for sure is. Yeah, but they're also learning the lesson, which I feel like when Joe is going to be around like actual honorable players who are like literally playing the game, but like in the survivor honorable way. He's going to learn what that actually means or what Genevieve is going to learn that saying Aubrey's name to everyone is not the right thing to do. It's just weird. It's weird to see everyone over-correct in this way. It's right in the other side. I don't know how it would play it even if I was like had the necklace on. Like I'm just playing it in the middle of the walk. Yeah, just immediately. Like Jeff here. Every one from '46 gets an idol and just like you know, plays it at the challenge. They're just like, here's my idol. [LAUGHS] Fluffing my idol. Exactly. Ashley, to your point, I think that's pretty standard for returning players. Like you've played the game, you lost the game, you have regrets. You look at your game under a microscope and decide, what hurt you? Where did I go wrong? How did that happen? If you lost in a jury vote at the end, you have to say, OK, I didn't manage the jury properly. People didn't vibe with me the way I thought they were. You're readjusting that if you got voted out before. You're adjusting the reasons you feel you got voted out. And what really sucks about Planck's survivor is you get one shot. OK, once in a lifetime, you come back a second time and you over-correct now. That also sucks. And then you go back a third time. And you're like, oh, in the middle somewhere. And then it also doesn't work. It's just like never ending, weighing on the back of your subconscious mind, brain, like, where did I go wrong? And how do I correct it? And I don't want to over-correct. But like everybody's not everybody, but most people are overthinking their thing. And I think, honestly, I think Mike White kind of has the right mentality here where it's like, take it for what it is. Enjoy it. Have fun. I'm here. This is ridiculous. Let's watch Coach be absurd in the ocean. This is hilarious. Like, as a returning player, you have to kind of put yourself in that mindset. But isn't that kind of like really easy for him to do? Like the guy who's going back to like, film in Paris? And like, he's not trying to like change his life with this. Like, obviously, this is a vacation. It's like almost less than what he usually is. And so he's just getting to have fun and like, do whatever. He's like, I'm getting a, like, just having a chance. He wouldn't got fit and left. But I do have a question because I was thinking about it. As a returner, you've returned multiple times. Sometimes you did well, sometimes you won, sometimes you didn't. Is it harder to lose on a returner season? Because, you know, when you do it the first time, you get all these experiences. And it's great. And I got to play survival. The second time you go back, is it still the same like excitement and magical feeling where it's like, man, I just lost. And that's all it was. So the first time it is magical, it's a magical experience. But getting voted out really hurts because you are totally blindsided. Like, you feel like you are in control and you get the sting of it. So the second time you go out, it's all business. For me, it was all business on heroes versus villains. Then I stumbled, I got out early. That didn't sting as bad. It's stung that I did it in a stupid way. That was the part that I was just like, that was so stupid. Everybody's gonna see how stupid it was. The third time, I went out and I thought, I don't have a good shot at winning this game. Like, it's maybe I don't. Let's just have fun, goof around, be silly and play and just see where we go. Because probably a couple votes after the merge, I was like, I could win. And then I kind of adjusted and focused in harder. But at first, I was like, convince myself I couldn't win. Just have fun. Enjoy it. Celebrate the ridiculousness of what this thing is. And I didn't do that on winners that were. I went out for business again. I was ready to slice and dice and had another exit early, early exit. So I think on these returning seasons, go out, build bonds. Have fun with the people that you're there with and celebrate the absurdity of the situation. Yeah. And go day by day like that. And I think Mike, yeah, sure, it is probably easier in his head to do this than other people. But like watching his pure enjoyment at coach and just the way the things are going around camp and even this episode. As we get to the Vatu tribe, we get all the David versus Goliaths there. We have Mike, Angelina and Christian and Mike is buddies with Ozzy in real life. So Mike's absolutely loving the swap. He's in such a great position. I didn't even touch on Emily at the tribe swap Christian leans in and whispers to her about the idol. Oh, Ashley, you have a reaction to this was Christian wrong was Emily wrong situation is just so funny like, first off, I don't know why they told Surrey before Emily, I understand Emily was like hanging around everybody at the camp, which is also very cool of her to that's her over correcting step is to actually connect the people. Great job. They should have told her before Surrey, in my personal opinion. And then she immediately goes, oh my gosh, they hit that for me when I'm like, no, he just told you. And then she tells everybody and I'm just, it just feels like very much giant ball of anxiety and I really enjoyed it as a viewer and got really frustrated thinking about their game. Emily is so lucky that no one was upset with her after that because what he, what's going on? You could have everyone should have sought like dang, this girl is just telling everyone's business. And she's talking to everybody like nobody else that she's so lucky. Emily should have gone this episode had everyone just talked to each other about Emily talking to everybody about everything. She's great for this season because she's blowing everything up like she's actually sorry Emily, but like kind of a terrible player in this instance like, why, why did she not go to Christian and clarify what did you mean about this? I don't. And then I guess the Christians to blame to why did he not go to her and be like, by the way, I got to fill you in with some more context to that thing that I told you on the map, which was insane, also horrible move this episode. But yeah, they should have played just not told her Emily is just blabbing like anything that she has told she just like talks to somebody in 20 seconds. and she's like, this is my new best friend. It tells them everything. It's incredible. I don't now have a good feeling about the information. I gained from them and also shared with them. I will now go back to the other side. And the fact that she just tells everybody on the tribe, both sides of the thing. And she's right there in the middle and she gets to decide. And it's just like, it's crazy that it went that way. - Eventually, eventually some people are gonna fact check. They're gonna cross reference and things and be like, holy smokes. None of us can play with the Emily. 'Cause like, you can't tell her anything. - I liked Christian's reaction. His confessional. I was just like, why would she do that? It was exactly as a viewer how I felt. Like, it's not like she went to a different tribe and it's like trying to figure it out. So she's given some information. She had the person who told her, who she, what was the term they were using to describe their trust for each other? Like basically unwavering trust. You don't want another. Until you mention something that maybe I don't understand the trust is gone. Like they're playing me. They're playing me so hard I'm leaving. - Yes, yes. Which is correct information. It's good information to have. The fact that she's just like, no. Christian could have told me that any time. But now he's out. I'm with a new group. And then he goes with the new group and she's like, Q and Stephanie just sound like they want me to just be with them. So I'm out there and then she goes back and to Angelina specifically, she bonds really tightly with the third party in the group. - And just like. (laughing) - You know what? I'm going with the third party. I'm not voting. Anyway, I'm going option every three. - Independent. - But I will say to add to it, Tyson, you can add and say, well, it is sometimes hard to get people alone. Because when they read the tree mail and thought that it was going to be a swap, immediately the producers are going to be like, we're going on walks. Okay, we're going to grab you and going to walk, we're going to grab you and going to walk. And so in the time of getting pulled, Christian and Rick had to have their conversation to figure it out how they're going to approach it. So they may have both been on walks just every time so they couldn't talk. And then when they finally get their plan, Emily may have been on a walk. And so it's, and then you're loading up. They lock you down. So it's hard. It's not as easy as it sometimes seems. It's all hanging out in the island. - Yeah, I think once they get to the challenge though, Christian just needs to settle down and be like, you know, the chance that Emily ends up on a tribe without me or Rick, or even sorry on it, is like pretty slim. So someone will be able to fill her in. She'll probably be a little bit upset that she wasn't filled in earlier, but that's going to be a lot of work. - But they don't have to fill her in at that point. - Because if they get on a try with her, they're not with Aubrey. Then now you're fine for the time being. - Yeah, that's you. The only real disaster scenario. Yeah, is if she gets on a tribe without them and with Aubrey. Like what does the chance of that? - But then the disaster she does, she's completely unaware of. So it's not, it also isn't going to piss her off or make her feel any direction. So. - And then you're like putting yourself in this compromising situation too, where the tribe is swapping, you're pulling someone over whispering in their ear. I'm like, did anyone else see this? - Yeah, just watch like Christian. - Probably like production stops. It was like, hey, Christian, can you do that again? Make sure to tell her it's the Billie Eilish Boomerang Eilish. - Yeah. (laughing) - You forgot. (laughing) - You've forgotten. - No, she was confused. - The little closer she was confused. She didn't know it was the Billie Eilish one. - You just said that. - That I'm in it way clearer. - Yeah. - Can you imagine? - Yes, there we go. - Yes. I, yeah. I mean, did Christian even say that Rick found it? Did he tell her in his ear, in her ear? Like, he should have put a little bit on Rick if he's letting Rick claim. He should have been like, heads up just so you know. I found out this morning, but I couldn't find you. - That's a long way. (laughing) - It's so hard to wait for. - I'll do it. - By the way, it's called Billie Eilish. - Rick found a night all this morning that he had to give away and he sent it to Aubrey and we didn't have a chance to tell you. - There you go. - Could you say that again, but you have to say Billie Eilish really loud. - Yeah, Billie Eilish has to be loud enough for everyone to hear. (laughing) Yeah, I thought it was interesting that Emily didn't pause to collect herself. She just was like, every whim, she was just like, "Nope, now I'm going home now to tell them. "Nope, I feel good with them, no I don't. "I feel good with them, no I don't. "I feel good with you, no I don't." - Yeah, Christian, I'm back. - Christian, I've told everybody everything. She like, did you tell them that it was for me? Yes, I did have all of it. He's like, "I forgive you." - He starts with, "I've done something so wrong, "I've done something so wrong." - And he's like, "Oh no, oh no." - Let's go to the immunity challenge. The face smasher, the classic face smashing, ball busting, shin crashing, blindfold challenge. Have you played one of these before Hunter? - I know, we never had one. We never had one. - Thankfully. - They are my nightmare. - They do not seem fun. Especially, I know those rails are a place at a height where guys that are six feet are going to put them in a really awkward spot. And I know that would be no fun. - I mean, I was watching it. I was like, "This is the face smasher." And then nobody smashed their face for a while until Colby smashed his face. - Dude, I thought Colby money, I'm like concussed. - Yeah, he was like, standing up like shaking. He was down. He definitely was like, "You're going to get bloody "don't survive, right? "Wait a minute, what?" - Not being able to brace for a face smash is extra terrible. If you know it's coming and can kind of just be like, "Urgh." - It's something, but if you just go into it without, it's like putting on what are they called? AI goggles and being like on top of a building and thinking you can skydive and then landing face planting on the floor in front of you. Like I don't know if you've seen those videos of people in those goggles on balanced beams way up high and somebody pushes on. And they think they've got like a thousand feet to fall but their literally face is on the ground. It's, that's how abrupt these things smash you in your body. And I will always sit out of these if I can or be the caller even at the detriment of the rest of my group because I am no help. I am not an advantage if I am blindfolded already. So my advantage is being able to move, being able to think, but if I can't do either of those things, then may as well just have me as the caller where I can sit out and let somebody else be there. - Take one for the team and sit out. You're like, "I'm just willing. I know you all want to play." - Yeah, yeah. It's the only challenge I've ever sat out. I think is on Heroes vs. Villains they had one and I played one on token chains the year before. And it was like, "Not for me, it's not an advantage for my tribe to have me blindfolded here. So I'll just let somebody else do it." And then next time I'll know for sure I'll play because I can't sit out two in a row. - So that's one of the things that you need a practice for survivor is like, course grip string, how to make a fire, blindfolding yourself and running through obstacles. - I don't think it matters. I think smack in your head over and over so you can build up an immunity to getting smacked on your shoulder and head stuff. Yeah, just thicken up that skull. - We're also prize by the callers. I was like kind of surprised. - Yes, I had him loaded here. We have Christian, not particularly known for loud. Chrissy, I don't think also known for loud and Camilla. - No for being bossy. - No for being bossy and also for talking separately, but not for being loud and Camilla also not loud. - I think this is the big brain move. - Yeah. - The big brain move for Chrissy is, oh, if I'm the caller and I spend this whole challenge just shouting and shouting, my voice will be so worse by the time we go back, that naturally I'll tone it down right now. - That was, Riley, stop. - Also, is it, is it weird that coach want to be the caller, like with the name like coach? - You don't want to be the leader if you can help it because all the blame falls on that person. All the blame, whether you're too quiet and they can't hear you, whether you give bad directions, whether you give good directions and people are following them in properly, you're getting the blame for the loss. It's all on you. And so I think that that is the risk that people are unwilling to take, but I am being the caller every time, 'cause I am not smashing my face. Like watching Colby do it, brought me ping. I'm sorry, Colby, that you went through that and I also respect that you were willing to just dive headfirst into that thing, but I don't, I don't want it for myself and I don't wish it upon anybody. - Camilla was right there and like could have, like, could have prevented that. - She helped everybody else after she saw, she just needed one person to smash real hard before she was like, oh, and everybody watch your faces, by the way, PS, watch your faces, Colby, are you okay? - Yeah, Colby. - Yeah, she did get them to win though and by quite a large amount, they finished their puzzle before and got some chickens. We'll see how those play out. Vatu loses with Christian. They weren't even close. They could not get the puzzle going at all. And. - Did they just put so much stock into this? the end to the puzzle. Like they're like Christians good at puzzles. He should be the one calling us because by every other metric, Christian doesn't seem super loud and he also tends to ramble. He adds a lot. So I don't know that he's the one that I look at that group and I'm like, there's our caller right there. He would do great with this. You might. Yeah. Who would be better then? I feel like Ozzy would be fine. I feel like you would be fine. I think Q is the loudest and his voice carries well. Yeah. I just was I was also perplexed by this, but I guess they have to be putting stock in the puzzle and being like, who can piece a puzzle in their brain together from a distance? But the puzzle was very, very easy. Very easy. I did appreciate whenever Christian after they lost, they were like trying to come and be like, you did a great job. He's like, no, I didn't. No, I didn't. I did not do a good job. I appreciate it. I was like, don't come and tell me something. I make sure you can be like, it's all right. But like when you're like, you did a great job, like, no, do you see the puzzle that's before us? Like we don't have one piece in the right spot. And we got here before the other group. I didn't do a great job. Yeah. I I agree. I think I and I think it's okay to take the blame here and be honest. It would be more weird to be like, you know, we all were a team. We all kind of lost together. You know, like even people you would see on different personality be like, I told them left and they went right. And now like that's the reason because when I said left, left, left, left, left, left, they went right, right, right, right, right. And they were after that many rights, they were two degrees off of the three left that I gave them because they were the opposite 176 degrees. They should have known exactly what I meant. They should have known what I meant. Yeah. I said stop and he pushed his face into the pull like at full speed. That's not on me. What did you hear my Christian say whenever he was trying to guide Aussie through the challenge? He said, all right, rotate it, rotate it. And Aussie did it one direction. He said, no, that's a twist. I'm just gonna rotate it. It's like, yeah, like predetermined the difference in a rotate and a twist, a twist, a rotate, a roll. There was a lot of them. I was surprised though. At some of those instructions, people, it seemed like Camilla's group was getting it so fast. She's like, rotate towards you and she flipped it over and it was like, wow. Okay. So they were in sync and good for them. We go back to the losing tribe Vaatu and we get Mike just telling Stephanie is voting for her. But then as it plays out, it's strategic. At first, I was like, Mike, what are you doing, buddy? He was putting himself out there. Is that ever a good idea to tell someone you're voting for him? It was, it was really weird. But it's a kind of, it's like what was funny was every time he talked about who he was going to vote for, and he said he's going to vote for Stephanie, I found myself believing it again. Like, oh wait, yeah, he's not voting for Stephanie, but he went to Q. He just so open and blatant about it. It does really sell because they already know these three are the clothes. And he's like, I'm not going to vote for this person. And if he knows Aussie's close with him, he knows he's not really at risk because he's got three and Aussie. So then they're not going to vote for him. So I guess he has a liberty to do that versus Christian who they corner him and he has to lie. Like, I could possibly vote for Angelina if you wanted me to, but Mike knows he's in a good spot. Well, or he's just confident in his spot. Like maybe he doesn't know, maybe he believes he's in a good spot, knowing, believing two different things. He believes he's in a good spot. And he's not even planning to vote Stephanie. He sets this plan in play. And Q kind of buys into it because he's Q is like, just vote for me. He's thinking it might be a split and so if he can get Mike to vote for him, it might create a tie or a scenario where they have the advantage. And then Q tells Mike he has an extra vote. Is this good? Is Q scrambling or is he feeling the heat and pressure and deciding now's the time that he needs to put everything out there that he can? Yeah, he's throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks at this point. I mean, I think there's probably a lot that we miss in the attempt of the producers to try to make this like a little bit more on edge or interesting. But I think Q saw the writing on the wall pretty early. Like he knew because he can't even make up the slide. He said that he has an extra vote because Ozzy knows. Ozzy was there whenever. Yeah. Ozzy must have shared with Emily that Q didn't have a vote. And then that just means that that group like Q is just dealing with that vote. Yeah. And he really gets kind of screwed here because when he like Ozzy and Q when they decided who we get the extra vote and who we get the supplies and lose their vote and whatever else, they were going back to tribes of eight. In which case, we kind of talked about this on that pod, you know, having your vote isn't as important in, I mean, it's always important because other people can lose as well as whatever else. But it's not as bad in the tribe of eight, right? Because you need five out of eight anyways. Well, if you get five out of eight, now it comes four out of seven. Basically, it's fine. But now you're in this, he swaps onto a seven person tribe having not gone to tribal council. And now your extra vote is like, well, now you get five out of the seven to have the numbers. So you're really, you're really in a deep. It's interesting also because you never see a conversation between Q and Ozzy about him not having a vote. That's what, where it's kind of like that's weird that they don't mention that. So Ozzy knew it the whole time. It may have been just such an obvious. If Ozzy and Q, we sure the conversation has been Ozzy and Q, then you know, it's going to work with Q. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. Yeah. Yeah. Q saw the writing on the wall wall and saw that he was in, you know, he was in a tight spot here. He tried to make something happen. And I like that he tried to make something happen. Like he went hard. Like you have to at this point, like if you get an inkling that it's probably you or that's going to be you, then you need to really scramble. And we did. We saw him scramble. We saw him go say, he had an extra vote. We saw him tell Mike, which some people are going to say, like, and listen, this is partly out of love for Q and me knowing him as a person in his style of game. If you tell someone to vote for you, it makes some question voting for you. Generally speaking, if you go to them and they're like, Hey, vote for me tonight. Like, trust me. Yeah. What? I didn't work on Mike because Mike was like, that's what I needed. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. He's asking for this. And Mike is loving it. He's again enjoying it so much. And it's like, I appreciate Mike's attitude here. I will. He if he is on the bottom and we're on the receiving end of getting got love it as much. Maybe we'll find out this season. Maybe not. But if his attitude stays the same, then big, big props to Mike White for going out and enjoying the experience as much as he said he bonded to and was going to. What is your play if you're Q here? You're going on to a tribe where I guess the only real ally you have. I'm looking at back at it from your old tribe. You have Stephanie, but then you have Angelina who you weren't working with. You have someone who knows you don't have a vote that isn't necessarily with you and Ozzy. Yeah. What does Tyson do going into this? Like, if you took a seven to how do I play as Q? Because I do feel like he did not have any options. If you he didn't have a lot of options, if you are Q, you have to go to Stephanie and get Stephanie to help you rally the numbers. Like you have to be like Stephanie. Here's what's going on. Pretty sure it's me. The thing that Mike did that was intelligent was that when he told Stephanie, it's her. Now she's in fight or flight mode too. He puts Q's only ally in a fight or flight situation where she has to believe that if she doesn't go with the other side and vote Q, she may be the target. Yeah. And I think you mentioned earlier actually flipping it on to Emily would have been the move. Like you got to be like Emily Ton everything. Yeah. Does Mike know all this drama that Emily told he's not can nobody's going to know all of it because he she only like confessed to certain sides and it ended somewhere. But you can exaggerate or lie about where it actually ended and be like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I knew I knew about the conversation with Emily and Angelina. Like I know that they were tight now because they like you can but I think that if you're Q that's the the only play is to out Emily for playing both sides, but does anybody know who knows that she's going back and forth like this so much only Christian maybe. Yeah. Yeah. So he's just trying to get his numbers. I think what he was doing when he was telling Mike was he was saying, hey, if you were just vote for me, I know you won't vote for Angelina. If you're just vote for me, it'll split your numbers and then we would have enough. Yeah. But he just didn't even have the numbers to begin with. And he didn't. Yeah. People weren't with him when he was hoping they were and that's the thing. Like you get in these situations where you feel like you're on the bottom and you have to scramble and like you're looking and as a viewer, you're watching you're thinking, okay, Q has no idea. He has an idea. He knows he's throwing stuff against the wall at this point because he doesn't know like will Mike work with him. Mike likes to watch the shows chaos. Maybe he there's a part of Mike that would want Q to stay so that the chaos continues. So I think that like he's just this is his last ditch effort and unfortunately didn't work for for him, for our friend, Kew. We go to tribal council. Yeah. Well, the last thing that kind of screwed up the numbers here is that if this group of like Stephanie, Kew and Ozzy and maybe Emily come over to mindset Angelina, if Ozzy had had his extra vote, because he gave it away, they could have had the numbers, had he still had his extra vote, but he gave it away. So it was tough. Yeah. And you don't even see, you don't even see Kew ask Ozzy about that. There had been a conversation that was left out. They had to do it. Yep, yep. 'Cause when a Kew should be thinking Ozzy has an extra vote, we don't actually need X, Y, Z, could I basically have mine? Which probably hurt Kew more. 'Cause if he talks to Ozzy about it, and Ozzy's like, yeah, I have it. And now Ozzy's like, I have to vote Kew out because he's gonna ask about the extra vote. Yeah. Kew knows I have to vote, Kew knows I have an idle, Kew knows a lot. Yeah, and I don't have the extra vote. So now I either have to tell Kew, I give it to Sury, or I have to vote Ozzy out. So it probably was at Kew's detriment that that conversation most likely happened. And yeah, that's a bummer. But that's survivor, like it's the luck of the drive. It's like you find yourself in these positions. How do you react? Can you react? At least try to react. And Kew went down swinging. Anything at tribal that was notable? Did Jeff get annoyed at Christian when he interrupted Mike? No, I think he just was poking fun at Christian. The interrupting will one of the greatest storytellers, which I thought Christian weighed in fine there. Yeah. I thought Mike was wrapping up what he was saying, too. But it just became this whole thing. I was like, oh, I can't tell this like, Jeff was actually kind of angry. No, I think the banter between Christian and Jeff is playful and fun. And I think that Jeff was just kind of razzin' him a little bit for doing that, knowing that Christian would also laugh at himself for it. So yeah, that was fun. And Kew exits, and the last thing is as Kew exited, I noticed this, I had to rewind it three times. Kew looked at Ozzy and said, was this you? The caption said, yeah. But Ozzy's head went no. So I did a little diving personally and found out that Ozzy actually said, no. Not yeah. Well, there you have it. Yeah. New said no. He said no, but and if you go back and watch it, it's a nah, not a yeah. But it is soft and it is muffled. But the caption it is, yeah. But you watch Ozzy's head go like no from the back. And Ozzy's and Kew still fist bumps him and walks off. So I do that. I mean, it doesn't matter to that. It's not like Kew's on the jury and you need to like, maybe the editor's just heard. Yeah. Yeah, they may have just thought it. It was just misheard. Yeah, because it wasn't it wasn't a no. It was a no. I don't know. I feel like something's up. I feel like there's more to it than them mishearing him because like they don't usually mishear that kind of thing. So I think something. I'm going to go back and rewatch it. Was that for you to film this thing and figure it out? Okay. Rewatch it. And Kew very positive about his exit. Same clothes, same buff, same smile. And that's our Kew. Love you, buddy. Anything else before we get to Riley's reads this week? I'm looking at my nose. No, I think that was that was mostly it. It is tough. Like I just you do feel for Kew in that moment. Like the frustration of getting to go back and then feeling like, 'cause Kew that also played and came in playing a different game. It was very flexible and less all over the place and found himself in a pretty good spot even with some bad things going his way. Losing one of his closest allies, losing his vote, one of his close allies losing their vote. Still seem to be seen pretty well. He was like tripping out of the gate the whole way gets to talk to a group where everyone knows his business and like the three people that are from the same season want to work together, like had a really hard time trying to get any kind of footing. But made it at least here. Yeah, my hope for Kew is that the next time he comes back, I think he's a player that we will see back again. If they do more of returning seasons, like Jeff said they're gonna do, is that as everything just seemingly went wrong for Kew, let's have everything go right because I think the Kew on TV that we see where everything is just falling into place for him is going to be hilarious. Like it's his season to be like Mike White on this season where everything's just going well. Or even Ozzy, people are giving him idols and he's in a good group. And yeah, because he would have, 'cause you saw how like kind of Solomon quiet, he was a tribal council, that like this episode, he was very quiet and he seemed much wrong. Whenever he knew he was the world. Yeah, he'd be chirping. Absolutely. So we'll get to talk to Kew tomorrow for exit press. So tune in for that. Let's get to Riley's reads. Riley, what do we have? Well, let's talk about who do the most to advance their game on this episode. I believe Tiffany going to Aubrey and locking Aubrey in tight with her to the point where Aubrey was almost in tears. I think we haven't seen a lot of Aubrey this, or we haven't seen a lot of Tiffany this season. And I think that that was a powerful moment to suck an ally in, like if you can pull someone in. Even if Aubrey gets voted out next, 'cause everybody wants her gone seemingly or 'cause Genevieve's targeting her and everybody's seemingly agreeing, you at least lock the person on the bottom that feels like they don't have anybody in. And if you get enough footing to change direction and you guys are all the sudden on top and you have this tight alliance because you were the person that gave them an olive branch when no one else did, that can be really strong. And I don't think anybody sees Aubrey in Tiffany as a pair. So Tiffany can very much go along with the group and find out what's happening and play both sides pretty easily in that moment. To give someone different, I think Rick Devins, at least really locking in Surrey, him and Christian locking in Surrey was good. The Blunder with Emily was pretty rough, but it does seem like Surrey is ready to play ball with them. And I think Surrey is good for a lot of reasons. One being, she's just good game where she can make you a full comfortable, but also she's just giant target that will foreshadow or overshadow you in a lot of capacities. So I think Rick and Christian did do a good job with that. - I'm gonna say Mike White. He's been doing a really good job at being the, just having a good time guy. And he said he wanted to be that person from the very first episode. And nobody, even when he's like looking at you straight in your face and saying, I want you to go home. They still don't treat him as a threat or anything else. So I think that's gonna end up making him go a little further than even he's expecting. Just no strategy strategy. - Yeah. I'm gonna say Chrissy, just, you know, getting the information that she needs to temper things a little bit. - Getting the coaching. - Yeah, getting the coach coaching, that is important. 'Cause she was basically cruising toward, the swap just helps her immediately, too. 'Cause she was cruising toward being a boot, that triplet. All right, opposite side is who damaged their game the most? - Ooh, who damaged their game the most? Maybe Emily? It might not, like, her sharing all that information with everybody, like if she doesn't slow down on that or correct herself and like, hope it just goes away, then she could be a problem. - Yeah. - Yeah, but it's so weird because that's such a, like, the group that she, like, injured or hurt is Christian, I guess, and he seems like he's like, I've just got to forgive her and it's like ready to move on and make it work. So who knows how it, how it plays out? I think there's potential for Charlie to hurt his game here. I don't think it actually has damaged it yet, but like, there's this inner thinking that you're like, if he doesn't get out of that headspace, he is going to do damage. There was, it didn't feel like a whole lot happened in this episode. It wasn't like you saw a ton of stuff other than Emily going around talking to everybody. So Emily did what could have been damage that didn't play out and then maybe Charlie's setting himself up for trouble. - I think Emily's really lucky that she didn't, like, mess up her entire game this episode. Like, I don't know how she didn't manage to have that, but I think Genevieve probably damaged her game the most. I think she did talk a little too much to everybody. - Yeah, it was gonna be my other one too. - So, I was gonna say Christian Damage just gave me the most with the weird Matt Chat idle devolgence to Emily and then subsequently when they get put on the same tribe. It wasn't like Emily was like, all right, cool, we're good on the mat. She was like, wait, what's happening? - Wait, what? - So it's like me? - Yeah, so I don't know how Emily was allowed to go have so many conversations with people before Christian pulled their aside and was like, let me share you, you know, The full story, everything I made. blah blah blah whatever else I just that was like an unforcible under I feel like. Okay, let's do winner picks and then after that we will do the next boot. So Tyson, who'd you have last week? Last week? Who did I have last week? Your Christian I think. Yeah, your Christian. I had Christian last week. He had a little bit rougher episode this week but he ended up correcting maybe enough. I will looking at all the names here and the tribes. All 21 or 20 of now. I'll stay with Christian. I think if Christian because he's got he's in a good group right now. He's got Mike and Angelina from David versus Goliath. He's got Emily with him there who is with Ozzy. I believe that he's in a good spot. And if he can come back at the merge with Rick and Suri, then he'll be so I'm going to stay with Christian. I'm going Christian adjacent to Rick. I think this wasn't a very exciting episode for Rick but he's got himself so padded with different people because he's so close with Christian and Christian. If they get back to a march, he's bringing in those those two other people from his season and he's got Suri on the other side of him. There's just so many people around that are willing to work with him. That would be viewed as bigger threats. You've got to get out of a group of three and you've got to get out Suri and so this gives Rick so much time to get footing well into a merge. If they make it there soon enough, even though it wasn't much of an episode for him it does seem like that. I think Tiffany, she stays low under the radar. She's connecting with people who we didn't expect her to connect with. She's getting all the information like from Genevieve. That's who we want out. Just kidding. I'm going to go talk to Aubrey about it. I think she's doing amazing. I'm going to stick with her. I'm going to stick with Genevieve who I've had for a couple of episodes even though she is digging herself into a wall. She's kind of like playing relatively decently but then goes too hard after Aubrey this episode. Speaking of which, what did y'all think about their stare down Aubrey and Genevieve's stare down in the first episode? It was uncomfortable for me. It was crazy. I was like, it's just two gamers, two gamers understanding that they're lying to each other and understanding that they understand that the other one is also understanding that they're lying. As you just start like in that position where you're like, I know you're not telling me the truth and both of them are thinking that and they're just like silently agreeing with it. I'm having a similar standoff with Paul on House of Villains where I understand that he is not really on my side and he understands that I'm not on his side but we both in that moment pretend that we believe that each other is on that we're together but we both in our hearts know we're not. All right, who's going home next week? Ooh, which tribe is going to lose? That's, yep. That's the first question. Does Vatu lose again? Does. See, you're saying the names again. I got to remember what colors they are. I think Vatu loses again. But then we have Christian, Mike, Angelina, so that's how to vote. I think Stephanie. I think Vatu with Stephanie exiting. Like, I think she's just like kind of on her own there in that group. Let's see. Okay, now I'm going to say, okay, what's the orange tribe's name again? Is that Sela? Sela? Yep. I'm going to pretend in the world that like Sela loses and so we're going to get a different because there's so many people. I think. Is it going to be. I don't think Rizzo is going to get targeted. I just think people are not going to see him as the threat there. Oh, I'll say, I'll say Charlie may work himself into a weird spot because why would they show that all that in this episode to like build up for nothing? And so maybe that comes back to Bidome and people are like, what's going on here? So we'll say Charlie. Okay. I think the collo tribe is going to go to tribal. And I think that either Genevieve is going to be able to get votes or she won't be because like coach and, you know, Joe and then we're going to be like, oh, she's talking everybody that's not loyal or honorable and stuff. But no matter what, Aubrey has a idol. So she's going to be the one determining who's going to go home at the end of the day. So I think that it means that Genevieve will probably be going home if that happens. Really? I have seen as you, Tyson, I think that Vatu goes to tribal council and Stephanie being left out of the vote. Like, I want to think because Ozzy and Emily kind of, they were like, oh, if we get Q this time, we can get Angelina next time. But it's like, how do they do that? It would be three three. Unless they, unless Emily is like, I can flip Christian. And nobody knows that Mike is with Ozzy. So is then Ozzy and Emily more powerful than Mike and Ozzy? Like, I think that if Ozzy's feeling like nobody wants to go to a three three. Right. No, no, no one's trying to draw rocks at the stage of the game. So I think there, it's like one of those, hey, can we do a vote with no blood on our hands? And that ends up being Stephanie. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do, do Christian and Angelina have a little bit of tension because he kind of joked about sitting at your door? Yeah, they do have a little, um, but I don't know. We'll see if it's from Pat the past or if it's from the present on what happened on season 50 because I was feeling that too because he had some preseason things to say about her. But then she fired back in the moment in real time. So, uh, what happened on 50? Was that part of it? Or are they just playing this all? When he got his, when he got the idle, he like kind of like maniacally joked about sending it to Angelina, hoping she gets voted out with it. I thought that's what something I haven't, yeah, he did. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, well, time will tell anything else before we wrap this thing. I want to put a radar on D and Surrey really quick because I feel like they're going to have something happening in the future. So D is very, very smart. Or I guess her best friend is very, very smart by saying do not trust Surrey. You're going to love her. Don't trust her. And I mean, even when the new, uh, tribe mates came to camp, I noticed that Surrey was like, yeah, we got the fire down with my glasses. And it's just like little things like that where I'm noticing, oh, she's definitely playing the game heavy and D's noticing it. So I hope that that something comes from that sort of interesting storyline. Yeah. And she also, I'll go ahead. Well, I actually, I feel like I understand why D thinks this way, but I actually think Surrey is an amazing ally to have because she's the easiest cut ever at Final Four. She's not going to win that. Final immunity challenge. And I don't think she's going to start fire, you know, sans classes. Or she's an easy vote along the whole way and the post merge to it. You're just like, hey, you know, we can't let Surrey get this far. She's just a great shield. She's the perfect shield for someone like D who comes in with a huge threat level. You can always try and like move the vote onto someone who might have an arguably even higher threat level in Surrey. So I kind of like, I don't know, I actually don't love targeting Surrey for D. Yeah. I think it depends on what side you're on. If you are on Surrey's side, I also feel like you have to also be either a total pawn for Surrey or as threatening in her eyes as she is to others. So I think if you are a big like I think D would be the perfect ally for both of them because D would go to Surrey and be like, hey, I'm a winner. I'm the only one left in the game. People are targeting me. I'm know what I'm doing. We could be a force. Yep. So we'll see. That'd be crazy if they came together. But then if they, yeah, go ahead. I'm going to change a little bit. So you finish that and I've got some notice and I'm going to say if D and Surrey come together and then Surrey gets D, then Surrey's confession or D is confession will be like, I should have known. I told myself I knew my friend told me, I'm so embarrassed. Yeah. Nobody wants that. But did you notice? Did you notice when Joe was talking about working with Genevieve, what his wife said to him, he said, she seems like someone who would want to work with you. Not like so, like he's the celebrity that people are like deciding whether they wanted to work with. It was such a weird phrasing. I've never heard that way where it's always I would like to work with that person. But his wife was like, they seem like they would want to work with you. Like he was like some prize to go after. I was like, this is interesting. Interesting phrasing. But sometimes it pumps people's ego when there's little fandom, little fan thing there. So maybe Genevieve's like, oh, cool. Your wife thinks I'm cool. That's cool. Let's go. That's the thing. It was like the other way. It wasn't like you should work with Genevieve because she's cool. Yeah. It's Genevieve seems like she thinks you're cool enough to work with. It felt like the opposite. Where I'm like, no, so that's a big play. It's just be like a big announcement everybody. I'm cool. enough to work with you guys all want to work with me. Exactly. And I get to decide. It's all on me. Okay. That will do it here at the pod has spoken. Thank you so much Hunter for all of your hot takes. Riley and Ashley, thank you so much for being here. Every week we're having so much fun and the podcast is skyrocketing upward trajectory. We will see you tomorrow for Q's exit press and our thoughts on that. So see you tomorrow. Until next time. Bye!