Recapping ‘Survivor 50’ Episode 11! | The Pod Has Spoken

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Not only an exciting guest, but we sent him to somewhere that supposedly at one time had the fastest internet in the world. I don't know if they still do. Caleb from season 45, all the way from South Korea. You were in North Korea earlier today. That's right. I hit the demilitarized zone, visited the tunnel that North Korea almost reinvaded South Korea with, and feeling like it's—this wasn't on my bingo card. I would never feel like—this is kind of a last-minute vacation. I was like, Tyson, I'm still good. We'll figure out the time later, you know? Yeah. It is 2 in the morning, so thank you so much for being here. I've survived every bad decision. I've ever made so far, so I feel like—I was ready. Nothing we couldn't handle, you know? Yeah. Oh, for sure. Are all the other zones militarized over there? Is there just one demilitarized zone? Like, everywhere else you go, it's just full military? Like, I don't understand. Because you sent me the picture of you across the line in North Korea. But, like, what's the rest? Like, if there's just that, then everything else is full military? What are we talking? So, the way— Yeah. Yeah. The way it works is that the border between North and South Korea, if they just had a regular border, people would be hopping over or starting fights or doing all these things. So, they have, like, a five-kilometer radius from the middle of the line where both sides can't enter, at least the militaries. And so, they'll have some native people who live there. But aside from that, yeah, that's how the DMZ works. Okay. That's what the kids call it. Okay. So, that whole five kilometers on both sides is the DMZ? Correct. Yeah. So, you can go anywhere along those five kilometers and be like, I'm in the DMZ. Yeah. Well, yeah. There's some parts where they let you dig, go a little further. That's like the tunnels. And, yeah, a fun experience, you know? Just spontaneous little— I've done a lot of traveling, but being a remote worker since 2017, it's mostly been South and Central America, a lot of Europe, like places you could do calls from and it's not 2 a.m. Yeah. So, but now I'm trying to fit in more vacations. And so, I'm trying to hit more of Asia. And this was— I kind of did it for the bit, but now I'm glad I'm here, you know? Yeah. I've heard it's beautiful over there. We've already lost half of our listeners because they were here for Survivor instead of geography and how demilitarized zones work. I'm not an expert. I learned it today. And I will say, when I saw the episode and it was the double boot, I was very quietly hoping that there would be a co-host of the pod today. I was hoping for maybe Billy Garcia or maybe even a cowboy. Or something like that. And so, I'm happy to be here and, you know, the main attraction, but it would have been fun to see some other faces too. To have Billy on here, I've never even thought of that. But that is my favorite Survivor moment of all time when he tells Candice that he loves her all time. That was peak Survivor right there. But we had a pretty decent episode today, I think. Let's start with Aubrey's early gameplay here. She's with Rick now. And encouraging him to continue. And to continue his bravado and chaos. Which he is more than happy to do. Because if Rick were watching Survivor, the person he would want most to play like is himself. Caleb. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like telling a car to keep going on the highway. Like, what advice that was, hey? Rick was, yeah, he was like, well, now that you say that, I guess I will keep going, right? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for the reminder. Now I will continue to step on the gas. I do love that moment. I also love that Rick is just like, I'd want to be myself if I were sitting on the couch watching Survivor and wasn't who I am. Caleb, do you feel that way about Rick? Or do you feel that way about yourself? Or do you feel that way about a different Survivor player? When you do something splashy like that, you have a big moment, you know, man, my number, who knows when it's going to call it, but it's probably going to get called at some point here, right? Yeah. But at the same time, man, dude, those moves just hit, right? Like when you, Mr. Beast coin, drawing rocks, shot in the dark, whatever you want to call it, playing an idol. It's, you know, it's like, man, we just, that's going to be on TV. You know, that's going to be, that's going to be out there. That's going to be awesome. And so I can't help. My adversaries are upset that it worked out for me. That's the other part. Some more than others. Yeah. Everybody's celebrating the 2 million. Except for Joe. Joe. And Jonathan. And Jonathan. Jonathan's pouting about it, but he's not too bad. But Joe is fucking disgusted. And he thinks that it was inappropriate behavior by Rick. Poor taste. Do you agree? I, someone sent me, so I'm not, I've not been on the internet for a while. I, I'm like, uh, uh, uh, like the dad. It's like when, when your dad gets it on Twitter or Facebook, it's like, that was, that was six months old. Right. But someone sent me the reaction shot of Joe when the coin hit and everyone's celebrating and he's just like, like down and out. Like you couldn't believe it. $2 million. Couldn't be more upset. Like the price is not worth admission, you know? Uh, and, uh, yeah, so I'm actually, it is actually kind of cool to see somebody who is that mad about getting potentially $2 million if he wins the game. Like I, I never thought, I never thought I would see it. Uh, I remember winners at war. Everyone just screaming on the beach being like, Oh, that's my $2 million. And I don't know that picture. I'm the only one with my arms folded. Like, of course it's 2 million. Why would it be like, I already was like, if it's not something bigger than a million, then so it wasn't, I wasn't not excited about it. I just assumed that something would happen, but that is a famous picture of everybody going like this and me just like, Hmm. Yep. So go on with Joe. Uh, very upset about the 2 million. And I feel like Rick is even more overjoyed that Joe is so sour about like that, that would fuel my fire to watching someone so sour over my little victory. I would be like, I'm going to have to rub this in a lot, all the time, pretty much all day long. I will go around dancing and celebrating and he did. Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen a montage like that. Is there anything even close? It was so performative for the cameraman and the operators. I don't know that we've seen that obviously everyone's there to perform. I'm I'm, but he is by himself and I was, it was an interesting montage. He did like four different locations too. He like, he's like, all right, now me at the beach celebrating now me at the water well celebrating now I'll walk through the forest and I'll celebrate. It was like, all right, bud. Yeah. It's like, you know, survivor, they'll never tell you what to do. Um, so, you know, he just was like, he had this like backlog of all these different celebration dances he had for all of his idol plays that he didn't get to do. So he just used them all. He just emptied the clip right after this one. I wonder if he was thinking, oh, they'll pick the best one to show on there as if it was an impromptu thing. And then they showed all of them. Yeah, it was, it was, he, he was probably like, okay, I want this celebratory dance to make air. If I do it one time, they might not show it. It may not be good enough. They might not make it in the edit. So I'm going to do it like four or five times. Like I know when I have a good joke that I want to make air all fire. Do you say in different confessionals, in different scenarios, just to make sure that it gets used. And I think that this dance scenario is him being like, I want the world to see me dance. Especially Joe. I want Joe to rewatch this and see me dancing and be disgusted. at how, at how inappropriate, uh, all of it is, um, uh, you, yeah, you'll, you'll reuse a joke. And, uh, Aubrey, she likes to reuse her motivational, you know, pump up speeches when she's making her, her pitch. Right. Uh, it's always funny. You're like waiting for someone to trade notes a little bit on that. Um, but we don't have to jump too far ahead. I just, uh, what a montage. And, uh, and it's also like the cloud, like the, was that a wordless kind of a montage or was he talking over top of it? I don't think so. I think he was just like, he was talking a little bit. Is that the moment? I mean, he was going back and forth. So he was celebrating. And then there was a little bit of him being like, if I were watching survivor, you know who I'd want to be me. You're like, okay, that's, I'm also my favorite survivor player of all time. Um, I think, uh, when you employ semi-narcissists, um, to be on TV, most of the time they will be their favorite, uh, person on that, that program. Yeah. Semi. So you're calling yourself a narcissist right now? A semi-narcissist. Semi-narcissist? A person with narcissistic tendencies. I have no doubt that Jeff Probst is his favorite survivor, uh, personality of all time. Challenger? Yeah. Challenger. Favorite survivor challenger of all time. I heard, uh, I heard a rumor. This may or may not be true, but, uh, in, uh, one of the bazillion, you know, tests that you're taking about your psychology and your behavior before the show that, uh, you have people who you could get three grades on one of them. It's like, uh, this person will definitely not harm anybody. Uh, this person may harm somebody or this person is potentially really harmful and they love to cast the people right here in the middle. Narcissist is something else and something else maybe, you know, they're finding like the line. Yeah. I think they're finding the line where it's like, uh, wherever the line Brandon Hance is on and then just one shade lower, right? Yeah. Just a little. Yeah. And they've gotten it wrong once or twice, but whatever that is, I don't know if that's, I don't think that's the case anymore. I think that was the case for that era. I don't think that's the case anymore. I think they're a little safer now. Tiffany and Sari talk about targeting the idols. Otherwise they're going to get jammed up. Which is true. So he has this flashback of the advantage you get in. Are they too early to too late? Perfect timing. Caleb, what are you thinking? Uh, it's interesting because, um, and this is going to come, I think to the question at the end of the episode, which is, did Rizzo make the right move of cutting Rizzo versus, you know, keeping, uh, letting him play the idol and keeping the ally. And it sounded like Tiffany was ready to let Ozzy go. And Sari wanted to let the idol go, but she didn't let Ozzy go. And Sari wanted to let the idol go. But keep the vote or keep the ally. Right. Yes. And it feels like it is a very dangerous time in the game when you do have what looks like a very solid four to lose one of those four going into seven. Right. Um, at least with the way that the vote played out. So I love three. I have many ideas. I wonder, do you have any guesses of what, uh, did you have any, I mean, I see never really played with Sari. You probably just hung out with her at heroes, villains, Ponderosa, but what the code word might've been. Do you have any code words when you're on the island to play an idol? Yeah. But we'll find out tomorrow when we talk to Ozzy, I was wondering that could she have said to Jonathan, the code word, and just be like, Hey, if you say this to Ozzy, he'll trust you a little bit more. It's our code word for sending an ally to meet up with an ally. So if I tell you this quote code word and you say it to Jonathan and give him a wink, he'll know that. Do you trust though that Ozzy wouldn't hearing that code word be like, Oh, that's not our code word for that. That's our code word to use the idol. Like he would just blurt that out. I think he may say, okay, I'll play. I think he may say, okay, I'll play the idol, but I don't think, but then it shifts everything. Anyways, Ozzy would be like, uh, Jonathan, that's not a code word for an ally. That's a code word. Oh, you're telling me to play the idol. We're playing the idol, but Jonathan wants to get them out. Yeah. But Jonathan wouldn't know that until too late. And then once that happens, Jonathan could think he's recognizing Suri's code word. Obviously this didn't happen, but Suri did wrestle with how do I get this code word to Ozzy? We're writing fan fiction a little bit here. Yeah, we are. We're too. We're like so far down the road. Tell him that I can't wait to eat lasagna with you after the game. That was me and Brandon Donlan's code word. Lasagna. We didn't have much time to use it. You guys Garfield fans then, I guess. Does that surprise you, Brandon? Off the cuff. The first day was definitely a Monday over there for us on 45. For sure. Mondays, am I right? Let's talk about Suri wanting to flush the idols, but keep her allies. I feel like this is an Icarus type moment where like you can fly too close to the sun and putting your neck out there in that capacity. Masterful. If you can get that to work. Oh my gosh. Like, yeah. Give you the game. Here's your $2 million. We'll find another $2 million to give if you don't win. Like somebody else. We just need to see. Are you still around? Yeah. See ya. Where's your $2 million? I feel like though that in that moment, that is like too far of a reach. It's either do I cut Ozzy and Rizzo potentially and get rid of the idols or do I keep them around trusting that one of them will take me to the end? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that's the decision. I don't think try to flush the idols. The idols leave your entire alliance more vulnerable and less threatening and easier to go against. I don't know. I just feel like in theory, when you're thinking about it as Suri, great. Yeah. Let's flush the idols. Then I know they're not there. Then they can't, I can't get jammed up from them. But I also think that it's the beginning of the end of the alliance. If that's what she's doing. Yeah. It's, uh, you know, I know it's not a real principle, like whether you're at the casino, you just keep winning and you're like, well, I'm going to bet more. Uh, or like in basketball, it's like the hot hand fallacy, whatever you want to call it. But Suri is hot. So the way that she's been playing so far, like, why wouldn't I think that I could do this if I'm Suri, right? Yes. So right. Yeah. Yeah. She, I think, uh, yeah, at this point, yeah, she, uh, she is like a perfect measure of her own power. She's like, I can thread this needle. Yeah. I also think though that like, yeah, she thinks that, but if Ozzy didn't have to play his idol and played it because Suri told him to play it, he'd have to get enough votes that Suri could be like, I thought it could have been you. Like if he gets no votes and she's like, well, they got me too. I don't know what to tell you. Like that. I'm, I have some mistrust now for Suri. So I just feel like that is such a risky maneuver. I would have liked to see it play out in her attempt to do it, but, uh, it, it, it didn't work out. Uh, so, um, That's easy, man. You just, you tell him to play the idol and then you also vote for him. You're like, see, I knew you had like at least one vote coming your way. I don't know who it was. I mean, isn't like six people trying to vote out Ozzy all the time. Like you could find a couple of votes if you need to. Someone will vote for Ozzy. She could have had it flushed multiple times. She could have done this. She could have put this plan into motion last week or the week before the week before. You're right. You're right. Um, she also could have just had everyone vote for Ozzy and then had him play the idol as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's smart too. The immunity challenge. Have I missed anything Riley up to the immunity challenge? Anything else you want to talk about Ashley? Ozzy's nightmare. He mentioned it right before. Ozzy's nightmare. Yeah. I wanted to ask about this. Have you guys have ever had a nightmare like this on a survivor? I still have them. You still have them. Fuck. I got voted out. Oh, nope. I'm here. Really? Uh, which, which, which, which can I ask? Which, uh, which gives you more nightmares. Um, uh, uh, you going out into the Sierra or heroes villains when you went out on the Russell. Both were brutal. Both were brutal. Uh, I, I, yeah, I know. And that's what I always pitch when people are like, you want to come back? I was like, for the right price, because I am pivotal in every survivor season I play for good or for bad. I am. They can't write the story without it. The hinge that the direction of the game immediately shift. I don't know. I honestly, I haven't had like a really detailed nightmare of something like that, but I do have nightmares where I'm like, oh, I thought I was back in the game and stuff wasn't going my way. But what stings more? I mean, so much time has passed and I've won the game now. I think it's annoying when people bring up the heroes versus villains when they're like, you screwed Rob's game. And I was like, he didn't have the numbers to hold it together after I left. I had seven people out of 10 together. And then once I left, he couldn't wrangle the majority that I had put together. So that's not fully on me. Yeah, think about how many more individual immunities Rob would have won if you had let him get to. My fault, my fault. Yeah, what would the record be? What could it have been? Yeah, and so that one, but like, again, it's so much time. Like, that's the thing. None of them, in the moment, probably the Sierra ones don't work. The Heroes vs. Villains one, I was like, ah, I'm an idiot. But I also wasn't like having that much fun out there that season because everybody was like so business focused and I had just come off my first season where it was fun. It was fun like running around and goofing around and stuff. And so the second time I came out and everybody's like so serious and just like, let's make our group right now. And we didn't vote anybody out on the Villains tribe for like a week and a half. So I was like, I don't think this is even fun this time. They're like, it will be as soon as you start voting people out. We voted Randy out. I was like, that's not that much more fun. And I mean, we got rid of the grumpy old guy. That's great. That does bring the energy up a little bit, but still. So I think probably the token jeans won. And it is weird because Ozzy brought up this dream and this nightmare. And in that moment, you're like, Ozzy, I feel like if you have a nightmare as Ozzy out there, he would be a guy that would be like, I should follow what the universe is telling me. Did he talk about that nightmare this episode or was that something he'd talked about weeks ago? And they just put it in here on his exit. Well, he mentioned Coach and Stephanie. So I'm assuming it must have been like right after they had both been gone. So I think maybe, yeah. Could be a few days. Within the handful of days, actually. Someone will do like the facial hair analysis and figure out when that can happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it probably happened because then he mentioned it again when he was voted out. And he was, yeah, he was like, I knew I had a dream. Yeah. Last night I had a dream. I think it was legit. Yeah. I feel like that's one of the perks of tonight's episode for Ozzy. If we have to pull those threads and find them as we get them, right? Is, you know, he kind of had his first moment to talk about a potential business that he has because he's a fortune teller, right? Like, and he promoted this on YouTube. I mean, this is a whole other, this is very new era, actually. So welcome to our game, right? Is that now you get a whole side business after the show. Yeah. You know, an online business. So I think that there's a lot of opportunity out of what came out of that. Do you think players in the future should be more, have their ducks in a row for what business they want to create after Survivor and then get out there and kind of lay the foundation? Change the game. Change the game. You got to win the post game. It's the real game to win. We have a couple interesting things happen. First of all, the Power Broker Advantage is teased, but we don't know what it is yet. We didn't even know it was called the Power Broker Advantage until Tribal Council. And then we also have, do you like the Power Broker Advantage? I liked that it was named a tribe. I kind of didn't realize that. That's right. Yeah. Like we should name this before they get here, right? Yeah. How did it play out? Like a broker? Okay. So we have that, but then we also have this moment where Tiffany is announced as the winner and then she gets recalled. Have we ever had that on Survivor that we've seen on camera? I feel like I can think that there was at least one time where they overturned something, I think. And it might've actually been recently, but I'm blanking on it. What I will say, that I found really funny, it was like Jeff was like an NFL ref, right? Yeah. It's like he got a call from New York. He's like, I gotta go. I have to see the booth. I gotta see the screen and the monitor before I can make the call. Yes. That I don't think we've ever seen. No, but I do. How long do you think it took for him to rewatch everything? Because he was gone for a bit. They're like, where is he? Yeah. I think he went and watched it on a little camera screen somewhere. Maybe they had a bigger, maybe he wanted to go to, so then that would have taken longer to go to a bigger screen than the small camera screen. But then I think they talked about it. They probably had a conversation with the fairness committee or whoever's there. And it was like, what do we do? Do we run the challenge over? Do we award it to the next person? How do we do this? How can we make it TV absorbable in the story? And so I do know that there's cameras on everybody. Like individually. And most of the time there's at least someone assigned to watching you specifically in those challenges. So there's like, you know, somebody assigned to watching just you and your performance. So, I mean, they did the right thing. I think like when you watch it on replay, she definitely puts her leg up way after everybody else. It wasn't close. Yeah. It wasn't even close. Half the people were following. Yeah. She didn't even look like funnel. She looked like she was so strong. I have to raise it by the time somebody, you know, when everyone's in the water is when I'm supposed to pick it up. It was actually incredible. I was just sitting back like, man, Tiffany is absolutely gunning it in these challenges. Hey, like, don't count her out. Yeah. But yeah, crazy. That's what I thought too. Cause she looks so stable. Everybody else was like, whoa. And she was like, so stable. She's like, I won again. And then you realize she's got both feet down. I did love the, also like the emotional hug. Like they really were like, enjoy the moment. Take a second. Right. Yeah. Uh, before let's let her have a little bit of moment. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, do you think, uh, if she was upset, like she could have pushed back at all, but like, why don't we just replay it from right there or something else? Or do you feel like it was like a, we made a, did the committee made a decision? So I've been in instances where they've had to come in because the challenge wasn't functioning properly, um, on ladder balls. I was throwing these, the ladder balls, the two balls tethered by a rope and then landing on a ladder and the distance was pretty far. And as the, as the ladder balls would hit the ladder, they would shoot off. They would like pop off the chain. And then, so they stopped after that happened a couple of times and they rebuilt the balls tighter, like glued them on or use tape or something. And then they also, Tina was so short that when she'd swing the ladder, she would get off the ladder and stop. And when she'd swing the ladder ball, it would drag on the ground. And then she'd, it was only able to throw it like two feet, but the distance was like 30 feet. So they moved the ladders like half the distance. And I actually raised my hand and was like, um, I actually think we should keep them the same distance as when we started and what we were shown, uh, when we did the walkthrough. And, uh, I think Jeff said, uh, shut the fuck up Tyson. And that was the end of that conversation. It's a nice moment, right? Jerky Jeff, right? So I think if that had happened, more people's survivor bucket lists, right? Yeah. It's Jeff. Tell you to shut the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah. How often does that happen anymore? Harder to do now. I mean, I don't know if it's harder to do cause they don't show it on camera then. Uh, but I do believe that had she pushed back, any Jeff would be, like, we're the authorities here and this is what we decided. Like essentially when Jeff told me to shut the fuck up, that's essentially the vibe I got was this isn't like your expertise or your like, this is above your pay grade right here, Tyson. You don't get to determine that we do. And so I think that that, that would have been, I think communicated with Tiffany had that happened. Uh, so, and it easily could have like, let's watch the footage. Okay. I think they would have. Showed her the footage if she was like, I don't trust you. Or if she was like, can we just see it or something? I think they would have proven it to her. Um, and if she, yeah. It's like when you get caught as a kid and you're like, I know I did it. She knew. Like I, I knew it was a crime, right? Yeah. She knew. She knew when half the people were in the water, when she lifted, finally lifted her foot, she knew. I also thought it was interesting that everyone lasted all the way to the top, except for Sri was immediately out is that I was watching this and I was like, maybe this is Sri's moment. I want her to win a challenge so bad. And this is maybe the moment where she can like, you know, battle to win or something like that. Yeah. On the water where she's faced most so many, uh, trials already in survivor. And the water's calm. You're you see how calm it is. You're like, and she's on the outskirts. So you're like, okay, she's not gonna get boggled by someone else making a splash or making a ripple in the water. She just has to stand there. Uh, Nope. Even. Even standing was hard and, uh, that's, uh, you know, I've done this challenge too, and I've been out very early. Uh, but the ocean was pretty wavy and, uh, I think it's for the surfers. This is a surfer. Well, that's what I thought. I had my money on Ozzy coming into this thing, but he wasn't even like the top two or three. Jonathan's a surfer too. Oh, there you go. Well, no, no, but she has like, uh, bow knees, I think. So it's like the perfect, yeah, exactly. It's like, uh. Uh, Michael Phelps for surfing. She doesn't do it, but she's got a perfect physique for surfing. She should get into surfing now. Um, and maybe that's what her whole play was the whole time. You know, the, the post game, big surfing, uh, uh, sponsorship. What do you think of this power broker advantage? Two groups of, of four. Is that what we're at? Two groups of four with Jonathan being the fifth on both, both of them. Yeah. - I'm just playing this position good or bad for Jonathan? I think it's great. I don't even consider the idea of it being like a bad spot for Jonathan to be in to be the power broker. I almost thought that him being able to go back and forth and back and forth was maybe a little bit overpowered. Like in a dream state, could he say, hey, you go to one beach and you get one switch. Pick your time. But when you switch, you can't switch back and have it be a little bit more pressure around buttoning up everything and then maybe seeing how the other side plays and not being able to kind of, because that's one of the, you know, we'll get to, of course, what happens at the beach. But one of my thoughts is with Aubrey, I mean, with Ozzy spilling his guts and then Aubrey telling people about the extra vote. Was that the reason that Seri played it versus like she heard about it from Jonathan versus, you know, and wanting to burn it and not be targeted for that versus what actually happened or, you know, her using her intuition, which easily could have happened. Right. Right. But was that the reason? I'm not sure what was the catalyst of it, you know? I think, I mean, and again, speculative, you're in a group of five. So much can go wrong. If you don't have a solid, solid three, that's just like locked. If you have an extra vote, it's now's the time to play it. This is the time because the votes are coming down to a one person difference. So a one vote difference. So this is the time to play it. I think if you have an extra vote and you're not, you're not going to be able to play it. You're not going to be able to play it. You're not playing it here. You're absolutely bonkers or you have such a solid three locked in that you are not concerned. Like if Ozzy, Seri and Rizzo had found themselves together in the same group, maybe she doesn't play her extra vote there. But I think every other scenario she plays it. Well, I think like also the idol forced it too, because it is like you have a, like, I think Seri put together, like, I can't trust a hundred percent where this idol going, you know, Emily says it'll be on her, but who knows if they're playing games, but if I just play the extra vote, then we can just two, two split it. And it's a moot point. We can flush the idol and get one of them out. I didn't know this, but it looks like Seri got to vote twice on the revote too. Yeah. It goes through to the revote. Yes. It always has. Yep. Always has. Yeah. I counted six and was like, Oh, I didn't realize the, I guess I make sense, but it's one of those things that I never really thought about until I counted the votes up here. Yeah. I was going to confuse too about the idea. Like I thought that if everyone, everyone who has a vote doesn't get to vote again, like who got like of the split people, but I guess if it's three, maybe it's not two people. Yes. If it's three, then everybody does vote again. If it's two, if it's two, then they don't vote. So then that changes it with like, then she may have had to hand off her extra vote to somebody else or something, but, um, you know, to make sure that it goes through, but because it's three, yeah, she just gets two votes. Shout out to the wolf of quiet pines. This has been like a, this has been like a big question before when you do the extra vote, or if you get your vote stolen or whatever, you know, you don't get a revote on, on a stolen vote, like all that stuff. Right. Um, yeah, I thought that was, I, I did think that was interesting. I, I did after watching it and thinking about Sri, I thought she has to play it here, especially with that idol being played. Um, it just makes so much sense. I do like what you said, Caleb, though, that, uh, the power broker had too much power because they got, he, Jonathan got to bounce back and forth as much as he wanted, where maybe, okay, your power broker, you get to choose which tribe you visit first. And then when you're done with that tribe, you can move on to the next tribe. You've got a three hour day. You can spend as much time with the first group as you want before going to the second group, but you have to make some decisions on how you execute. And the fact that you went back and forth. I also, Caleb, when you're given this much power in the game, like you're just kind of like lording over everyone in this moment, it can be bad long-term, long-term, not to be a future target, but to be at the final jury, people are like, you wielded your power to enforcingly or something like that. Like there is a very big balance of like being too powerful. Or it's like you were just, you were involved, you know, like Jonathan's the only person here who has blood on his hands from both the final nine vote and the final eight vote. Everybody else got a freebie. They get either Ozzy or Emily on the jury where it's like, Hey man, I didn't vote you out. It wasn't me. Don't blame me. Yeah. Yeah. It is a ton of power, but it does come with this like disadvantage that it, that you could have somebody being like, you ended my game. How am I going to give you a million? And when I'm watching it on TV, I'm watching it with that in my mind and I'm looking at people's reaction. It doesn't seem like anybody was reacting too negatively. Like, Oh, this power has gone to Jonathan's head or anything like that. So it seems that if they had it, right? Yeah, I think so. So it seems like he balanced it well enough and he did like play into both sides. Like, what do you want to do? Okay. I got to relay that to the other side. What are we doing? Okay. So I do think that, uh, Sri wasn't on board with his plan, but she said she was on board with his plan, which is enough reason for him to go the direction that he went. It's almost like the perfect spot too. Cause he can almost, almost blame it. Like that's what they want to do. Yeah. What do you want? Right. And you can always kind of push off the blame if not everyone was there. Right. Even to the point where Aubrey was like, uh, what do you want to do? He's like, I'm safe. You're the one at risk. You tell me and I'll see. I like this. You have to say the name. Yeah. Yeah. That was the, yeah. What a twist. What, what another, another, another twist here on a survivor 50, even in and out the game, you know, would Ozzie have been safe? Had he not told Aubrey everything? There's nothing more patronizing as a survivor contestant, having another survivor contestant tell you in the game that they deserve the win and want to win the game. And you're like, yeah, we all, all the people here still want to win this thing. Like, you're coming to me telling me how bad you want it. I also want it that bad. Yeah. That was incredible. That was actually riveting. The only time my jaw dropped further was when the actual vote off happened and he didn't play the idol. I was shocked. How often, like, how often do you see that anymore? That see, we talk about, uh, Ozzie being new school. He's also a little old school in there. Right. Like to not play the idol with a group of, of four, ish, four, it's only four, it's five votes, four people. It's crazy to not play the idol in that moment. You just play it. Like you're not going to get an opportunity where it's that narrow, where unless you're saving it for final five, but at that point you also are only going against five people in immunity challenges. There's other things. Like I think you have to like play it here. Uh, not always like people will be on here and be like, nah, yeah, he did feel comfortable for some reason. But, um, was that his downfall, that conversation with Aubrey or was he going to go anyway? I think he has, I think he has Joe and Rizzo. I think that it's a, like even, I think Jonathan will gun for him anyways, but if he has Joe and Rizzo, then it's three, two, and it doesn't matter. I think that that, that conversation killed him. Yeah. I think it killed him, but, uh, I think it killed him most because it gave Rizzo ammunition to turn on him where I think Rizzo easily could have told him, Hey, you know, you use your idol tonight, but him talking so much, it just gave him the ammunition to go back to the street and be like, dude, you know, messy. This guy was like, we can't trust him. We can't rely on him. Like we have to, we had no choice, but to take him out here. And so I think, uh, it hurt him. Yeah. On that end, because I put the distrust in Rizzo to rely on him as a, an Alliance member. I agree. I think that the way that it played out with Ozzie saying all of that stuff to Aubrey, every person that voted Ozzie out, can go back to Suri and be like, he told us you had an extra vote. Like, you know, we did you a favor, Suri. We did you a favor by getting rid of Ozzie because he told us you had an extra vote like there. You can weaponize that information to, uh, win Suri over a little bit, or to at least make her seem like a little more comfortable. Like he gave up so much information. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I'm, I'm thank God you played your extra vote because he told everyone about it. So if you hadn't played it then, like now it's a, it's blown up. So I think that everybody, everybody on the Ozzie group can now go back to Suri and claim that they protected her to a certain degree. Yeah. Um, if we're talking about, you know, power broker hour and all these things, um, you know, I'm wearing black today under the circumstances, the best I could do RIP to my girl. Right. Um, but, I guess the question I have is, and I mean, what a plan that she tried to pull off and without the extra vote, who knows if it maybe actually would have happened. Oh my God. Right. It would have worked right. Without the extra vote, it would have worked. Yeah. It would, it would have been like 50, 50, I think. Cause they would have, it depends on where they play the idol. Right. Well, it was two votes, Rick, two votes, Emily, and two votes, Suri. Correct. Right. You're right. Those votes would have been gone. We don't know. If Seri doesn't have the extra vote, we don't know if. they would have done all three votes on one or the other and we just don't know. It's like, do you make the right read? Right. That's an incredible move. What was interesting though is I was wondering, is there a world that they could have pitched Jonathan to take out Seri here? I have a gut feeling about it, but what do you guys think? I feel like Jonathan is too afraid to take out Seri in this moment. Seri's been getting all the information. She's juggling everybody well. Every time anybody has brought up Seri's name, it's immediately gotten back to her. I feel like when you go against Seri, you have to be so measured. Plus, who's with Seri that you're also with? Do you have to approach them on it? Do you have to sell them? Do we need Joe in on it to agree? Do we need Ozzy to give us a thumbs up? Do we need Rizzo? Who does Jonathan think is working with Seri and how many people does he need? The whole reason that Joe wanted Rizzo in on the plan to target Ozzy was that Rizzo will be untrusting if we don't loop him in. Now, we've lost him. That, I think, is always the measure when you're going against somebody. I feel like it would have been a hard sell to get Jonathan to vote Seri out. That's my feeling as well. Emily's first thing, she's like, me and Jonathan, you know, we don't vibe. Right? He doesn't like me. Jonathan was like, I can't work with Devon's. We've agreed to that. And Devon's like, we can work together. Why can't we not work? And Jonathan's like, nope, we can't. So I think that even if. I think based on the personal relationships of the people who are involved. With Emily and Devon's versus Jonathan, Jonathan is not getting sold by Emily or Devon's on any plan. Although I did kind of hope when they were going for the revote on the second time that there maybe was a pitch at the last second. Like, listen, Jonathan, you're safe. Rick's safe. One of us can go home. We're going to rocks. This can't affect you. Don't you want to take out. Isn't this your big moment? And do it in front of the jury and maybe see if anything swings? It can't be that hard on somebody, though, because we've all been. You're just in shock when these things happen and it's just a blur. And it's hard to kind of think of these things in the moment. But I had my fingers crossed and then I saw how much time was left in the episode. I was like, damn. All right. Maybe not. Not enough time? That would have been fun, right? Yeah. It would have been. I was also like, wow, this is a crazy twist. But I do. Yeah. You are in shock. A couple things. Jonathan's safe. So he's like, okay, I got to do what the bulk of my allies or my closest allies assume I'm going to do. Because I can't also give a Hayden Moss. Type of speech at Tribal Council, you know? That's what we needed Devin's or Emily to give. In a dream world. Yeah. Was that something that in order for Emily to be safe in that moment, we needed one of them to give a speech so powerful that Jonathan understood that Ceri was not with him. And went to rocks. Or Tiffany. That's right. One of the two. But. Well, that's one of the things I thought that Aubrey did so well. When you're at the bottom bottom, like on the outs, and you're trying to plead your case, the thing that works. And, you know, my guess of what the thing that works the best is, you know, finding a bigger, like, fear. Like, a bigger worry. A bigger thing that's coming after you. That's the only thing that might change someone's mind about, should I focus on a bigger priority? And the biggest thing that she could pitch was Ozzy and this idol and this marriage with Ceri and everything else. And, you know, could you have inflated Ceri enough with all these things? To be able to make it hurt? I don't know. It's Ceri. Probably not. But it's just. We're here. We wrote some fanfiction earlier. Why not talk a little bit more about something else, right? Different chapter, so to speak? Yeah. Well, in a bizarro world or a different dimension, you know, it all plays out differently. Yeah. But I could have been more proud and, like, more excited and just like, wow, way to fucking play right to the end. Like, she really did give it. What a plan. And even, like, how she managed the conversation with Rick at the end at the beach, telling them about what has transpired and how, like, all of it was done so well. So, it was an unbelievable Hail Mary. Sometimes you just don't have the cards, so to speak, to pull everything off that you want on Survivor, right? And sometimes you think you don't have the cards and you try and it ends up working out and it looks amazing, which is the whole reason Hail Marys exist. Listen, you're talking to one. Yeah. What do you think about Emily this season? Did she seem like the same player that you experienced on season 45? Because she seemed to give up a lot of information for non-strategic reasons, just because she feels like somebody maybe isn't with her in the moment. Was that always something she did, or is she over correcting from last time, or just trying to play differently? Speak to that a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it's so funny because, you know, she, I know she hates the term growth arc, so to speak. She's like, I'm the same person, I don't know what this. Yeah, she's like, I don't know what arc people keep talking about, but it, like, her game from the beginning to the end, I'm sure there's many people on many seasons of Survivor, you could be like, man, that person who got voted out on day three, you would not believe. Like, they only showed 10% of it. You know, I mean, she came out guns blazing in 45. Like, maybe this gives some idea of what that might have looked like, but the thing about Emily is that she, you know, I've said this before, her greatest strength is her greatest flaw is she has no filter. Whether it's in her mouth or her head, like, when it comes, it goes right out. And so, the benefit of that is that it makes her very transparent. It makes her trustworthy, right? And it makes her feel like she's not going to pull one over on me. And the downside of that is, you know, it's Rick and Christian faced a little bit of it during the game, right? The joke is, it's like, you know, I got to watch her those first few days before I got to work with her. You know, they were learning on the job. Right? And so, it was, you know, cool. She calibrates herself. That's what I feel like I saw throughout the season. Right? Because she does get the game, but yeah, she just has no filter. Like, that's just who she is. That's why she's such an unbelievable character to watch. Because you literally don't know what's going to happen. She's so real. You know? Right. But can you share secrets with her? You know, you could breadcrumb stuff to her, is how I learned how to like, that's how we did it. Even when we were, when 50, the 50 casting process was going on, she looked at me at one point, she was like, Caleb, just don't tell me anything unless you have to. Like, just you know me, like, just keep it to yourself. You know? I trust you and you trust me and just look out for me and we'll look out for each other. I was like, absolutely. But, so I think the way I say it is she can lie, but she just has to know she's about to lie about that thing before she does it. If she knows the plan, she'll stick to it. But if she's like put on the spot, she's more likely to tell the truth in that situation. You know? It is a tricky spot because people do come to you and be like, tell me straight right now. Well, you have to almost always tell the truth in those moments because you don't know what cross-examining they did and maybe now they're going to catch you somewhere or now it's a he said, she said thing. It's, yeah, it's always very tricky. I do believe that in those moments where you're caught off guard, they're like, sometimes you just have to spill the beans or tell the truth because that's what they're expecting or that's what they're testing or you never know. So, yeah. Yeah, I did feel bad. I play basketball a lot of my life and you know what my jersey number was? Six, seven? Twenty-one. Twenty-one. Okay. I try not to take too much responsibility of this one. This was all her. It was always twenty-one? Always twenty-one. And Emily went out on twenty-one, both times. Yeah. Yeah, apparently. I didn't even realize that the first time, but yeah, she brought it up a couple times this episode. I was like, that's a small world, eh? Look at that. Yeah, we're definitely bonded in that way. It was also, I think, it is stunning, her win-loss record in the pre-merge game. She's, I feel like she's got to be right up there in winning percentage with Stephanie LaGrosa or whoever else has had some chaotic, you know, seasons. Right. Because she lost everyone in fifty, I think. And then everyone except for one in forty-five. Like, that's as far as percentage goes. So she's been to almost every pre-merge tribal council. Yeah, on top of the post-merge up until day twenty-one. That's a lot of tribal councils. Emily's just, you know, everyone knows that she's one of the most entertaining people because she's straight note chaser. You know, she's like moonshine. And so, if you can take it, you're going to have a lot of fun. You know? The Lemonati has spent decades keeping lemon on top and lime in the shadows. Their lemon agenda has infiltrated everything, even our music. That hit song named after the color of lemons? Not a coincidence. Big Lemon has been pulling strings in the industry for years. Think about it. But now, 7-Up is fighting back with their the new lime lemon soda. Now lime comes first. 7-Up. Flip the Sip. Sam's Club is the club for every holiday club. Guess who's joining the club this season? 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I think you can't be upset there. No. I mean. Whatever people want to say about like, she has no filter or like, it was so chaotic in the first half of the game. Like, this was basically everything right that you could have done. It feels like she was doing. Yeah. Absolutely. No breaks in the car. She pushed it. She had a great plan. It almost worked. She was blind. Like, there was two blind sides in this episode, but her blind side was when the votes were read and that sixth one came out. And yeah, it was tough to see her go. But and I'm sure she'll keep saying she'll never come back, but maybe who knows, you know, I've heard that story before, right? Yeah. And here she is. It's hard. It's hard to resist the call of being on an island. So, yeah, I don't doubt that. We'll we'll see her again. I think we'll see her again. On the other hand, Ozzy. Filled with regret. Like, what is. Such a sad exit. Such a sad. Exit. The sad. It was the sad episode in how long? It's the saddest episode in a while. We get Ozzy talking about his dad, his late father, and how he, you know, was pretty harsh on him. And this moment with him and Rick in the hammock. Then we get that tribal council number two, where. He almost like he even teases that he's maybe going to play his idol. He's like, I almost played my idol a few tribals ago. But I'm glad I still have it for the future or now or now. I don't know. I feel and I've tried to I tried to do this on blood versus water. It didn't work. But I played my idol at seven thinking like that's the last like. On even numbers, nobody wants to go to rocks. So I was like, I know I have Jervis and Monica. I don't know who else I have. So I'll play my idol here. And I'm also going to be kind of an asshole in this lead. Up to tribal council in the hopes that they vote for me. And I feel like Ozzy should have forced himself to play the idol by being extra at extra forceful with his will at the beach. Just be like, I'm going to push my agenda in the hopes that people vote for me and I play my idol correctly. Yeah, it it's for. I will say it's always hard to push your agenda when everyone's agreeing with you, right? It's like, we're doing this and they're like, yeah, I know, like we're doing it. It's like, but we have to do it when they're agreeing with you, then it's like, yeah, it's like it's that's the tricky it's always a tricky part to do, right? It's so tricky. Yeah, I was wondering, not wondering, but you think like people are you see this constantly, like people trying to avoid replaying their mistakes on Survivor, right? Yeah. And do you think he was correcting the wrong mistake like he's focusing on Cook Island so much? Yeah. That he forgot about Micronesia, right? It's hard. He was like, I lost by one vote. How do I get my votes versus I have an idol in my pocket. I better not go home with it. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I think both. Obviously, it is a learning curve. He's got more learning to do. I think this was his first attempt at jury management, maybe. And you. Outside of Exile Island. I think this was the first time where he was like, I have to manage the jury so when I'm at the end, but he was already foreseeing himself at the end, and he was also signaling to people on the bottom that he was foreseeing himself at the end with certain people, which was way too much information. I do agree. Yeah, he was. He overcorrected there on the social aspect with the jury management. And then the idol thing is, it's always tricky to know when to play that idol. And if people know you have an idol, you're probably not going to get enough information to know when to play it. So I think you just have to. Calls coming from inside the house typically in those situations. Yes, yes, yes. So I think that at that moment, you just have to like when the numbers are down, like you don't know if you're ever going to get a chance where the vote is only going to be determined. By one singular vote with the two sides. Play Rizzo literally called it this is these are two final five votes. Yeah, is there more important vote? Like you get a free an idol to play a final five like this is where you this is what you saved it for, right? Had Ozzie played his idol would Rizzo played his. No, Rizzo was never playing his idol. I don't think so. That guy. No, that guy's. Yeah, yeah. It's his favorite heirloom. Like he's already he's got a spot. It's his brother that he has at home. Right. He needs to bring them back together. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking of actually you go into whatever the next Ozzie trying to train a thought is before I do. No, we don't have any more. Well, I mean, RIP Ozzie or said, I mean, his exit was very sad and he. He seemed heartbroken. He was, you know, very upset. Like, uh, I think he said, fuck me, why guys like he said he was in shock and was sad and hanging his head and talked about his dream and didn't follow his intuition, which has to be painful to replay that over, especially watching it now. I have to assume like, oh, I didn't follow my intuition. I trusted you guys so much and he cannot explain how painful it is to anyone. to anyone. Imagine that you feel like you're in the driver's seat of a life-changing amount of I'm like, I'm not going to do this. money. And you've only got four or five days left to get there. But you're envisioning your path is so clear that you almost can't see a way where you don't get that money. And then, not hours after you have envisioned that all day long, you are the next one eliminated from this game. That's the feeling. And then, not only that, but coming to terms with knowing you might not ever be in that spot ever again in your life no matter how hard you try i yeah i think i'm sober again i am so sick now after yeah that's that's that's reality tv really in a nutshell yeah right and it's not even the life changing money isn't like, let me articulate it differently. If you get this money, everything will be okay. You will be able to pay all foreseeable bills. You'll be able to take care of all family that you've wanted to take care of. You'll be able to pursue passions that you haven't had time for because you've been too busy figuring out how to pay those bills. And you finally have been given this opportunity to breathe in your life. And then it's ripped from out from under you because you told somebody that's how you were feeling about winning this money. And they also That last one pulled my heartstrings a little bit less. I feel like that came from a lot of life experience. Okay, fine. Here's all the good that'll happen. Cut the second one. Cut the second one, Ashley. You have no idea how good this feels, right? Like you could do anything. And still I'm upset about not having the 2 million of winners at war. Yeah. Always. Caleb, I want to talk about Aubrey's rise to- Before you jump to Aubrey. Yes. I want to say the look that Ozzy had back at the tribe and then the turn to Jeff and that camera, Like that transition shot was sick. Jeff lit by fire Ozzy turns around right into his face that was a dope these producers man they do a great job I also thought it was interesting if we're still there Ozzy hanging his head and just staring at the ground for a handful of moments before he walked up to get his torch snuffed where he just sat there just like what happened and them letting him do that had he stayed there too long I have no doubt production would have been like move it along Ozzy but like he was able to they wouldn't have just kept it rolling like Ozzy however long you want they probably would have let him go for a little while we'll cut out one of Rick's dancing scenes we'll make time for this you can't see it right I was going to ask what's that that's legitimate blindside is there a single best blindside that you saw in your reality career that comes to mind where somebody was just so shocked or so disappointed that was I mean shock I think the biggest shock of a blindside was Vetus on Blood vs. Water I was really shocked on Token Chains my blindside too but I think the Vetus the Vetus one rang so hard with everyone within that alliance like Aris was just like shaken and oh no we voted out Aris not Vetus so we voted out Aris first Aris was dumbfounded Vetus was shaken and Tina was raging and so I think that that was just you also got the collateral damage of the other people and I knew the collateral damage was coming so I was just like there's no way to not have this because usually on Survivor you always look at the numbers you're like how few of people can I piss off while doing something that will benefit my game moving forward and so at that point I was like there's going to be like four or five people that are just obscenely upset at what we're about to do here is it too early yeah so that was but part of you you're like oh they didn't have plans for me and their thing so like that's I got them but at the same time you still have to deal with them back at camp because you can't like vote them all out at once so yeah I think probably that one stands out the most fair fair that's a good one let's talk about Aubrey yeah I want to talk about Aubrey because it seems like last week and then this week she's kind of building into something where she's now you know she's with Rick she's got everybody to flip and vote Ozzy out where does she go from here? it also feels like she has been working with Jonathan since being a free agent a little bit more you've seen a few scenes of that over the last few weeks as well and I feel like we've seen so many scenes with those two just edit reading that I would assume that that's the way she's gravitating towards yeah it's an interesting well I just her game is so she's she's she's sick like this this is this is like a like a crowning moment would you say psycho? I mean psycho last week I for sure would have right this week I mean yeah yeah Aubrey's a psycho this girl is not like I mean she so her first time and I don't really remember the season that well but I do feel like one of the things she did is she had this brains group which I know had Debbie at least I know Neil got medevaced but she kind of left that group and moved over to this Sydney, Michelle other group post-merge without that many as many as long of relationships and I feel like it's a very hard transition to do is to switch from your pre-merge group to a post-merge group and have that be so rock solid that you take each other to the end and so she has this ability of being able to kind of pull people together post-merge and finding like where does she want it like she doesn't want to just be a floater or a free agent she's trying to like corral the numbers and have strength in the game and so it's just cool to see some of the payoff of that work in this episode because it's not just one episode it's multiple episodes to get to this point right? Yeah I mean and that's why it works is because it's a longer term movement like had Aubrey not done any work or laid any groundwork with any of any allies then pitching this Ozzy thing would not have worked because everybody would have been like eh she's just trying to protect herself like yeah of course you're going to scramble in the moment when you know it's you but the fact that people are like listening means she has definitely cultivated some of those bonds I also think she is similar to Ceri in coming off as so non-threatening that there's some comfort in gravitating to somebody like that like if I'm in the game and I'm you know butting heads with a Rick Devins or which I don't think I would butt heads with Rick Devins I'd probably butt heads more with Joe I would call him the survivor David Goggins yeah because he doesn't have his toenails yeah Fireman I I feel like Aubrey's like okay I'm butting heads with somebody I'm butting heads with some people or there's some power players here and Aubrey's like we should work together let's get let's go let's go I feel like she draws you in with that comfort and safety she's a different energy than Ceri for sure Ceri is like warm apple pie on a holiday afternoon and Aubrey is like a drizzly rainy day at the beach in Northern California like they're just like yeah yeah Aubrey yeah she that was one of the things I worried about about her coming into the season because you know she has in her past history obviously she's whether it's dealing with like I think she had a panic attack once or twice in seasons and like anxiety and like stress and like at the end of the day like how you build trust is not necessarily time it's through vulnerability right and kind of like sharing these things with people and it feels like in a shortened game you know there's less time to be able to have the time to be able to make those bonds and so worried for her that and that plus the fact that people grow up like it's 5, 10, 15 years like I don't know how long it's been since her first season she hadn't even talked about that yeah you you aren't that person anymore and she's the person who probably is doing the work and also seeing yourself crushed on TV a couple times probably helps build that self-confidence as well so you know you almost wonder like did she does she still have it I think she does I also feel like she's gaining in confidence here I think she came in early in the season without as much that confidence and I think things have worked out or her plans have come together or she's been winning people over and recognizing it that she's now like building confidence which is then going to give her more power to make maneuvers yeah her first focus was Genevieve then she'll play Survivor right so once that was she's like now I can turn it on over here yeah if I can get through one hurdle yeah so I'll be interested to see where her game goes I feel like she's we're finally starting to see her and she's on this trajectory so it will be interesting to see if she can keep it up or if she flies too close to the sun this is a big vote for her for sure yeah oh she saved her life here she saved her life right here but I mean even the next one it's like can you carry this momentum and get to this end game with the people that you want because that's going to dictate right it feels like I see Jonathan Joe and Aubrey being a three in some way connected through Jonathan and I feel like we have uh uh uh Seri Tiffany and Rizzo yeah are connected through Seri and then you have Rick right there in the middle Devin's yeah right so who do you want to go to the end with like let's say that you're magically whisked to the island in this moment uh Caleb who are you choosing as the two lowercase goats to drag with you to the end if you can to win votes over wow all right see what you did to me there okay uh I think I uh uh I listen uh all great competitors disclaimers aside right I'd probably pick maybe Joe as one yeah uh he hasn't picked history hopefully not getting votes there so you you'd hope right and then like you'd probably take fish back at some point right and then um I uh the maybe I would it's tough I I'm maybe Rizzo okay maybe Tiffany's got a lot of friends out there like I know she's not like the center focus of the season right now but you look at the jury I feel like especially with D being like the mayor of the whole thing she's dangerous in the end for that reason is because I think she's dangerous too yeah because she hasn't pissed anybody off she's not made anybody really upset hear me out um what if I take Joe and Devin's so that they can just argue at the final tribal council with each other about how much they hate each other while I sit there in the middle smiling nice yeah pretty good you might not have enough time to you might not have any time to talk but might be better for me you just sit there on winners at war the final tribal council went so long and Sophie Clark was so sick that she finally raised her hand and was like Whoever keeps their answers the shortest, I'm voting for. for them. And still none of them could keep their answers short. They were still like, let me expound on the thing I just said by expounding more. Yeah. So some people want different things. Riley, who are your two lowercase goats that you're dragging to the end in this position of this final seven that we have? Probably I would have thought Devin's pre-MrBeast coin flip, but now I think you cannot let the guy who put his life on the line to make the pot $2 million get to the end. That's just such a feather in his cap that I'm too scared about it. So definitely not Devin's. But knowing that he was going to be the target and he had a one in six shot of going home or a 50-50 shot in going home, you can't minimize the play in front of the jury? I mean, that's how I would see it. Yes. I would be like, I don't know if somebody who put their whole game in this random chance and otherwise was totally toast is somebody that I actually respect enough to give the vote if I was on the jury. I just don't know if everyone else will see it that way. I think other people would be like riding high on the adrenaline and be like, well, this guy, you know, he made it $2 million at his own risk. So maybe we just give him the $2 million. So I'm not, no, I'm not picking him. I mean, I would try to make that argument, but we're talking about who I would like absolutely want to sit next to. And you're like, didn't you think Rick was disgusting? Didn't you think Rick was inappropriate? Can I say about Joe? So I absolutely love Joe because I feel like it's he's like, if you've ever seen the movie Memento, I feel like he wakes up every day with like no and learns what Survivor is for the first time that day and is like, oh my God, I can't believe this disgusting game. And the other thing about Joe is I've realized I realized this episode where I really want to see him next is on the traitors where he's a traitor and he's like paired with like Russell answer somebody. Yes. And they're like, you have to murder somebody. And he's just like, God, I don't know. I can't do it. Can we tell him? Can I tell him I'm a traitor? No. It's amazing. I was like a little bit like skeptical when they cast Joe and now I'm like, it's a great bit to cast somebody who's like morally opposed to the game of Survivor. Just generally, it's I'm I think he's incredible. It's a fun Zach. That's what I'm I'm taking him to the end. I would love to sit next to Joe in the end because I agree with you Caleb. I think that there's a good chance that you know this type of game isn't necessarily winning the respect of the jury and by the way, I will say yeah, it's very hard because there is so many people you feel like Siri will wait like you go down the line. Oh, yeah, when like it's so few people to pick from as well at this point. So, oh, yeah, there's no there's no true easy win here. There's no like obvious. So this person's getting nothing. That we're Tyson has us doing to ourselves right now. So yeah, yes. I already told you I would take to the end. I'm I want Rick and Joe to fight each other and argue about each other the whole time because they just pick on each other the whole time and you just be sitting there like I'm okay. Ashley, do you want to say you take to the end to finish? I didn't finish. Oh, you need another one. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, I can't say that Riley wants to shit on one more person. Yeah, I'm ready to go. So I would sit next to Joe and then I would final two. Yeah, I would say I would it would be Joe and Jonathan and I think that maybe they split some of the old school vote that is on that jury and then I can I can squeeze out the wind from there, but I do agree with you Caleb like it's I mean there's no there's no like freebie person here where you're like there's no way they can win. It's like I don't know. Is it possible a joke to win? Yeah, I think it's possible joke of win. I think it's possible Jonathan could win. So it's not it's not like an easy decision and I wouldn't necessarily make my decisions in the game at final nine final eight being like who I want to sit next to because it's so not obvious. All right. So sorry, Ashley. I do think though at this point to go a little bit not against what you said, but you do need to target people you think are unbeatable. I don't think yeah, I'm not I'm not going to the end. I think it's a smart play to be like I'm not going to the end with Ozzy probably smart play to be like I'm not going to the end with Suri, you know? Yeah, sure. I think that's what in this time frame of the game right here. That's what you're more focused on is who can't I beat versus who can I beat? I was curious your take on that. Sorry Ashley Tyson because you have those experience with you take hey I have Ozzy and a four going into the final seven if you're Rizzo or do I take out Ozzy because I think Ozzy can win. Let me get rid of Ozzy. Now us three have to find one and make it to the next stage of the game. What would you do? I feel like I'm beating Ozzy in the end so I don't think that I'm threatened by that. I'm threatened if I'm looking at this final group of seven or if we wanted to nine before the vote outs. I'm looking at Suri as someone that I probably am not beating in the end and cannot go to the end with her and that's that's my number one target. I'm not concerned with going to the end with anybody else in that moment depending on how maybe Aubrey moves or Tiffany moves. Maybe they are threats for the future. Maybe not but in this moment. You don't think Ozzy can be a threat? Versus me in the end? No. I think I'm likable enough. I think I don't really rub people the wrong way. I am pretty self-aware and so I yeah I think Suri would be the one that would be. You look at the jury you got like Stephanie, Chrissy, Coach. You look at all the people who are like Jonathan, back pocket votes you would think right? All those people are voting me over Jonathan. Well yeah. Your assistant coach. So of course. So I and I wasn't even measuring that. I was just measuring based off. of how people generally react to me. And I think yeah Suri is the only one that I am not. In this moment I'm like I have to get rid of Suri before the end game. That's my primary objective. But it can't be at my detriment. Ashley do you want to say who you think would be the easiest two to beat in the end? Or do you want to hold that information close to your chest so that you don't have any enemies at the finale? Um. Now you're making me rethink everything. Um. Well of course I would take Joe to the end. Just because of all the enemies he's making. He's making so many enemies and he's playing such a funny funny little game. But I just want to see Rizzo versus Suri on the on the fire and see what happens. How long is it going to take? Are either of them going to make any fire? I want to see. Wow. We can bring out the matches like they did in Cook Islands. Oh. Is that insulting to do that? Yeah. Also one of my favorite moments ever. It's pretty good. You would think that Suri can make fire. Right? Like at this point. Yeah. They can both make it. Yeah. I don't think either of them are breaking a record. But I think that they. I think Suri can get it done. I don't know if Rizzo can get fire done. Alright. Riley what do we have for Riley's reads? Alright. Who advanced their game the most this episode? Aubrey. It has to be Aubrey. She was able to flip everything onto Ozzy. Get rid of Ozzy which was someone she was not working with. Um and you know maybe even did it in a way where Ozzy is too upset at the people who betrayed him and he Aubrey didn't really betray him. So maybe he she also like earned a jury vote if she gets to the end with Ozzy. Yeah. I like that. I mean he's not voting Rizzo to win now. He could still vote Suri. But outside of Suri he's probably going to choose Aubrey. Yeah. You want to it's like your team loses in the playoffs you kind of like okay well at least we lost to the champions if they go on and win the whole thing. Right? Yeah. Or you want that team to lose next so that you can be like didn't have it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with Aubrey if I had to pick someone else maybe Jonathan. He essentially got to take out his white whale so to speak finally like he's been going after this guy for however many weeks and at some point that information was going to backfire on him. Right? Like it was going to get out there that it was him. So that must be pretty nice to not only take out him and then you also take out Emily so you weaken Rick but you still keep a big target of the game. So it feels like everything kind of did come up Jonathan and it didn't look like he pissed off that many people. Yeah. For how much he could have. Yeah. Yeah. But Aubrey if we're talking about like most improved player she took the biggest leap so to speak this episode I feel like. Totally. Right. I definitely agree with Aubrey. I think she was able to spill the beans about Ozzy's plan to everyone without any repercussions in comparison to like Emily who does that a lot. I think it was really smart for Aubrey to do it this time around. So I think Hey that only hurts her allies. All right. Yeah. She only does that to her allies. Riley, who you got? i mean same it's unanimous it's aubrey um she was like i mean she was doa and then ozzy just tossed her uh a life preserver and she took it um okay so the opposite is who damaged their game the most that didn't exit yeah that didn't exit obviously caleb who's uh who put themselves in a worse position this after this week i mean i i feel like you maybe look at joe um for having this like outward tension with rick again that's been kind of reignited sari was i think at the very beginning of the episode like i'm kind of throwing their eyes at him yeah everyone is right again dealing with him yeah tiffany that's not good yeah yeah but tiffany was like ah but like we just have to deal with it like it's fine um but uh yeah i feel like uh it's not only uh challenging to obviously make it further but then it also challenges people's perception of you if who they're going to vote for at the end right so that might be my took me a second to think of a name there but that might be my one sure yeah i honestly i think joe too i think he keeps like getting into it with people and he keeps like the fact that he's just like rick is disgusting and uh and inappropriate like if i'm out there and i saw rick flip the beast coin and then that's the reaction i get from joe i'm like no that's not right read uh that's uh no like i i feel like what you said where it's memento and every day joe wakes up and he's like explain survivor to me yuck yuck like i i you can't like if you keep doing that over and over at some point you're like we can't vote for this guy to win yeah but you can't keep him in all the way to the end totally i will say though that of all the like okay so like uh if you were to say like oh this feels stifling to work with joe at least it's stifling in the way where he's like hey we have a group let's keep our group like we're not gonna vote for this guy we're not gonna vote for this guy it is kind of still your ideal ally in some ways right it's not like uh versus like oh don't talk to anybody or don't do anything right like we've seen those people come around before like he's like what would he he is like keep it simple stupid like that's his motto right and he fights to keep the group together so you don't have to be the one you're like okay if the group kind of fractures joe will rage at somebody for being dishonorable and then it'll either pull it back together or the target will be on him but not me yeah so in some ways it's like he's like oh it is good but it's just maybe how it's being executed maybe isn't as polished or smooth as you maybe would hope it would be right ashley ashley i'm gonna say i think riz god heard his heard his game today again we're the aussie yeah i think he didn't like he messed up the group the threesome of aussie and suri and him and i feel like when you break up a partnership your other partner gets mad that's just not how you do it in a poly cool so she's gonna be mad yeah i was gonna say rizzo too and could because also when aussie goes home and he goes to him and he's like oh you said too much i'll explain later it's like no like that this is not you don't explain to somebody how they nuke their game you do actually do what jonathan did and you just be like i couldn't beat you you know like mad respect yeah um so it felt like rizzo was not only losing what i think was a very solid ally but also was just lighting that jury vote on fire with his last words too it was um i feel like rizzo is actually like a very adept and thoughtful player but this is like a massive stumble for him yeah i don't disagree i do think the i'll explain to you later is just like oh you're gonna make this my fault like yeah i i agree yeah i i do agree with that i don't i don't know in rizzo's head if he's thinking like is getting rid of the game or is he just going to aussie in this moment the smart move or not uh which is like can he explain it off to sari yeah and i feel like he can because he told aubrey about the extra vote and stuff so i feel like he's going to be fine with sari coming back uh yeah and where else is she going to go as well yeah yeah yeah so um okay so who are who are our winner picks at this point uh okay who's going to be the winner pick um my original winner pick was genevieve this season uh fellow canadian shout out billy eilish right but uh you know do we want to talk about billy eilish uh she did mention that there was like god she did mention that there was like an idol with a letter uh billy this clip is rough yeah which was on survivor you know they called me and i was like yeah whatever and then it was and then they did it i i was always i was always upset on behalf of sia like how is this how's sia not one of these things she's given a million dollars of her own money has this been talked about what's going on not in length but i have said like it should have been sia why why did they not call sia even if jeff is for some reason upset at sia or whatever like call sia say dude get her back 100 um so yeah but uh yeah that came across my timeline as well uh so people had uh brought it to my attention and uh yeah um i wonder what yeah what is the vetting process of this person's a big fan of survivor you know the vetting process is a few years ago she had a song with a lyric that said i want to see people suffer like on survivor either jeff or his team were like you gotta fucking tweet or send a video public video to billy eilish that's just like hey and i think she also like admitted to watching survivor in the past or see watching some survivor or something and jeff or his team or somebody gets so amped anytime someone famous mentions survivor that he immediately gets on social media and sends them an invite or something like derrick huff was uh talking about playing survivor and he's like derrick anytime you want to come and play and you're just like okay so billy said the word survivor out of her mouth referring to the television show survivor which was the catalyst enough for them to do this and i think that's all the interaction they ever had i think whoever jeff's team was only ever talked to billy eilish's team never billy eilish herself and the team was just like we chose this and how's the letter and she's like i don't give a shit just give them the thumbs up and let me continue with my career and then when everybody questions you people for it yeah exactly so it's a bummer it's a bummer though like it's like okay you wanted to be a part of it or you agreed to be a part of it at least like do your part like that like don't use air quotes and eye rolls when describing and she didn't even say the word boomerang in the whole thing nope i don't think she knows the premise of it at least they got jimmy fallon to feel bad enough about it that they put christian on the show and then or they got like you know like like zach brown like i didn't particularly enjoy the zach brown hour on survivor but at least he was like a genuine fan of the show and he came all the way out to fiji and stuff i mean this is like i don't think billy eilish is watching this season yeah harpoon gun and yeah he came correct yeah yeah i think they're onto something with the the celebrity and like kind of like re-entering this like ice in that way and they're just fine tuning it it's gonna be a little touch and go right i don't think they're onto anything i think it's a flop i think it's a big flop yeah i don't think four all four i don't think any of them brought any more eyes to the show i don't think anybody's tuning in to be like let me see what the jimmy fallon thing did i don't think anybody from any of those fan bases is doing that except i don't think at all maybe the mr beast episode mr beast fans tuned in a little bit one right or they just watched the youtube clip of the cut and we don't get any more viewers anyways i don't think it moved the needle in any capacity i think moving the needle more as other people's idea not my own idea would have been to have survivor legends go out and do something uh because they understand the game more they understand it should be the jt and you're gonna re-involve us you know yeah re-involve past contestants that maybe aren't willing to play again or don't have the time to play again or that they just didn't invite back like having boston rob out there to do the spear fishing would have been 10 times more powerful than having uh a country singer out there uh having the poverty uh black widow a double eye a double idol find would have been more powerful than a billy eilish thing um yeah maybe they could have given them challenges and there's something there oh you know what i actually do like that better now that i heard it yeah but uh we have some good ideas yeah cochran's probably still got that boat somewhere right he's got that boat and i think like even to the point of how absurd and stupid people thought that was in the moment bring it back because it's so stupid and absurd the audience would love it if Cochran's like I'm on the boat again and everybody's like I want to win this one Cochran's one of the guys I wanted on 50 I know he said I think he said no did I hear that somewhere he probably he says he said no to everything yeah I think he always says no so as long as it's Sri winning the advice from Cochran that's what we need yeah that's what you want you want somebody to like the mashup of like all the winners at war flipping out over the 2 million but they cut it to have Cochran the it's the boom of Cochran's boat rolling in and the winners at war people just be like yes it's Cochran like that's that's the energy that this would I mean it would totally inspire yeah I think that I think the celebrity thing was big swing and a miss and I think it was always going to be I think Survivor's niche audience that is very big but still niche the people who are fanatic about it would go more bonkers more people are tuning in from the past to watch Boston Robb appear on the show again for a moment than are tuning in to see what the idol that Billie Eilish's team agreed to be named after her was going to have an effect on the game like nobody's like you're a Billie Eilish fan listening to her music and then somebody's like she has an idol on Survivor named after her and you're like I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about and then that's the end of it yeah is she on the show? yeah yeah is she on the show? no she's not even on the show and she hasn't talked about it publicly at all except for she did an eye roll about it so does that make you want to see it more? probably no okay and it's like Survivor's also like this is the gold standard for competition reality TV it's the number one show in its time slot it basically always has been for 26 years 26 years now it doesn't need these kind of gimmicks like I feel like Survivor is a just frankly above this and I wish it would act like it it did used to act like it and for some reason yeah I mean in so much that it was just like we're never doing a celebrity version we're gonna do all-star seasons far and few we don't like it when our contestants go on other seasons because we feel like we're above the traitors we're above like Deal or No Deal Island or whatever but then it's like oh they're not above like Jimmy Fallon writing a letter for this channel like you're above that too come on NBC talk show host come on in you're on your name's on CBS and then Jeff's like my friend Jimmy Fallon and it's like okay well guess you had your friend Mike White play and then you had your friend Jimmy Fallon do the idol thingy whatever the thing was yeah yeah so anyways my winner pick yeah so we're on winner picks is it Billie Eilish? no it sounds like she's definitely not a winner at the end of the season I would pick I'm between three people and if I'm gonna go with my heart I'm gonna say Serene I don't know how that's my winner pick too yeah that's my winner pick too I feel like it's not mine Ashley mine's Tiff forever my she's gonna win yes and she's also building steam she's been building for a few episodes here and she's still very safe and very well known yeah yeah , well positioned oh yeah how are you guys feeling about Tiffany on this season? because she was kind of like the Kelly Wentworth surpriser person of the cast yeah I mean you always know that there's always gonna be a couple people like that where you're like that's an interesting choice for the season 50th landmark but then you also understand that a lot of times those people go really deep in the game and end up that's their survivor career is more defined by their second appearance than their first and and she's one of those people and especially now where she was pretty invisible the whole first half of the season like Zach Brown Zach Brian Zach Brown who what's his name? Zach Brown had more confessionals at his spot in the season than Tiffany had all season long at that point and so now we're seeing her building building alliances being in good with everybody she's not creating any enemies and she was on the outs just a few episodes ago too yes her indeed right? yeah and like now she's like in the inner circle yeah I feel like what I said before was that I feel like there's some people that go on Survivor and like every single one of the funniest things that they said made it on the show like there's nothing on the cutting room floor and there's some people it's like man this person was just hilarious this was what made it in but there's so much more like we see the potential that maybe didn't even get a chance to be there like this is we're just betting on the horse not necessarily the resume right? right and you know I feel like that's maybe where it came from and yeah I feel like I've met Tiffany a couple times and yeah she's got the her own riz so to speak like it connects with a lot of people and so it feels like you know it took her a little bit in the post-merge game but she's finally kind of getting there right? okay yeah yeah I think she's definitely on the up and up and Ashley's still riding with Tiffany mhm mhm yeah why not I'm yeah that's it Riley what else anything else? alright who goes home next week? who goes home? I was leaning towards Tiffany or Aubrey mhm I think I'm gonna say Tiffany ooh at this point I just feel like I look at if there's three three and one where does Rick wanna go? he probably wants to go with Joe Jonathan Aubrey camp versus the Seri camp who do they take out? maybe they don't wanna take out Seri first cause they're all worried about that so they're thinking either Rizzo and Tiffany Rizzo as an idol that's kind of where it comes from so um if I wrote the whole episode already of how I could see it going that's what I would see okay before the next twist I think Rick's in trouble I think Rick as that middle guy is in trouble he's not really in the middle cause Joe hates his guts and I think like they have to give Joe like if Joe's gonna keep pushing it's either like let's get rid of Joe so we don't have to keep hearing how disgusting Joe's like I've been waiting for this for like 16 consecutive tribal councils and if you wanna take Joe to the end you just have to give him something so it's just like uh and Rick again flipped the coin for the double milli he's chaotic he's in the middle he doesn't have any buddy between him now and he and he played his idol so it might be one of those moments where we see Rick being like I'm in the middle this is gonna be great and then everybody else is like let's just get rid of the middle person then we'll we'll fight this out next time yeah yeah I bet you that's how it starts no matter what and we'll see what happens yeah Ashley originally I was gonna say Joe because he was getting on everyone's nerves and I feel like that's kinda the last thing you want as you're going towards the end but I feel like it would be smarter for them to go for Seri like right now I feel like with her alliance is already breaking up she's kinda in a in a vulnerable vulnerable spot with everybody so I feel like if they really really want to put something on their resume I think getting rid of Seri would be a very good thing to do okay yeah so take a swing Caleb chose your winner pick and you chose Caleb's winner pick yep total coincidence Riley who you got not gonna take that personally I think I'm with you Tyson I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna take Devin's because I think I think that you know in a different world it would be like oh Devin's is actually kind of a goat we want to sit next to him but because he hit that coin flip it's you actually don't want to sit next to him but you also can't work with him yeah and I think the chaos that he brings if you're not like locked in with him like Emily was or or something like that like you can't trust that he his chaos isn't just gonna blow up in your face I think that's also maybe Aubrey will try and save him or something I don't know I also think it could be Aubrey next week but I'm gonna go with Devin's it was a good reminder for everyone at home that those two played together at the beginning of the episode right yeah yep yeah I kind of forgot that yeah I did too I did too I know I've sort of forgotten that as well and then it comes up yeah so alright okay that'll do it this week at The Pod is Spoken again we want more subscribers on YouTube and Spotify just so that we can show our friends how fucking cool we are that's it and Caleb thank you so much for your time and energy are you gonna stay up since it's already like four in the morning there just may as well stay up and keep going I mean I do have some friends who are out so we'll play that one by ear so probably good luck have fun out there Ashley thank you for making us sound and look amazing and Riley have a great one we'll thanks see you tomorrow for Exit Press if you have specific questions let us know in the comments on YouTube or Spotify and we might ask them if they're good enough or if we see them no promises though I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna lock us into a promise there let's see let's see how the alliance plays out before we commit to each other till tomorrow see ya Coca-Cola for the big for the small the short and the tall peacemakers risk takers for the big For the optimists, pessimists, For long-distance love. 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