Reading Birth Charts with Celebrity Astrologer ALIZA KELLY || Ghosteas || Paranormal Podcast

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Astrology is the interpretive language of the natural elements and celestial forces and planets and constellations and intergalactic objects as how they relate to us here on planet Earth. Astrology is so much, or at least the astrology that I practice is so much about the embodied experience of being alive and then using these different symbols and archetypes using these different patterns and cycles and timing to help us better understand who we are why we are the way we are, what we can do about it, what our options are when we're going to be having seasons that promote lots of growth and excitement and new opportunities, when we're going to be having season better, more challenging and more rooted in lessons and finding your courage and overcoming obstacles. And astrology is really, it's a tool for living better. And I think that a misconception around it is so much that it is this stuck in time way of understanding oneself. A big misconception in that vein is the fact that it is a pseudoscience, but jokes on whoever does that because I don't consider it a science period. I think it's an art form. I think that it's really a symbolic and interpretive and poetic language to better understand yourself and how you relate to the world around you. - I love that and art form. I love that to poetic art form because watching astrology and you do your work, it feels like it's art. It feels like it's just like coming together and piecing like a painting together. And that's something I loved about watching your podcast is just it feels artful, you know what I mean? - It does, truly. - And so you've been, I think I heard you say you've been doing this for 13 years? - I know, it's crazy because I'm just 18 years old today, but somehow, of course, of course, somehow, yes, it's been 13 years, which is like really wild. I mean, it's been the, practically the entirety of my adult life since college. So it's, and that was certainly not what I had endeavored or planned or expected when I was graduating from college. But I studied art and art history in college and I like to say that I use my degree. I think more than like most of my peers and fellow classmates, my professors, when I saw them once at like an alumni event disagreed, but like also goes to show how astrology is still, you know, there's a lot of stigma around it still. And I think especially in older generations or even like among academics, they really poo-poo it. They really see it as sort of like a bunch of baloney. And I think that it, I think that that's sad and it's also dismissive and it's also problematic, but it's also pathetic because like, hello, you know, it's, there's so much that we can glean and learn through understanding how to tell better stories and how to work with these amazing archetypes. I agree and even like all that being said, just have a little whimsy. Like it hurts no one. We can have our fun. We can say that we act this way because of the stars in the moon. Why not? That's just kind of my take on just everything in general. Just have the fun. So I love it. - Honey, like humans are meant to be whimsical. Like a real true art art. - Everything we have is made up. It is a hundred percent, you know, like everything is something that was invented that came from somebody's like wacky, tacky imagination. So like money, like what are we doing? In general, like have you guys seen Frifto Currency? I have seen nothing. - Don't even start a made-up until we are than that. - Oh yeah. - It's all made up. Yeah, like you said. - We cannot get started on that. And I feel that way too about what we talk about every day. And I even still feel myself and I've talked about this before offline is when I talk about, you know, I, you know, read those stories and I'm into the paranormal and I believe in that there's something beyond this, I almost still feel like, oh, I got to be careful who or how I say this because people don't won't take it seriously and won't take me seriously. And I see that online too with astrology. Like a lot of times people will be like, oh, you know, just the stars in the moon with your astrology girls. And it's like, what are you even talking about? And we look for patterns everywhere. That's the shape of our world and how we view things anyway. And if and I've seen even you talking on your podcast and other astrologers, creating or looking to these and and piecing together these patterns and they make so much sense to me sometimes. It just it it clicks in my brain a lot better than some of the quote unquote sciences that I've studied through college and stuff. Yeah, I mean, these archetypes exist and are meaningful and timely and oftentimes correct for a reason, you know, and like, whether it's the fact that we attribute seven-year cycles to Saturn or seven years is the amount of time it takes for somebody to sort of like need to recalibrate their life. You know, it's sort of chicken or the egg, right? Like these are patterns in timing principles that have been studied and understood and observed for so many hundreds, thousands of years that are still applicable to our human experience and that we still benefit from learning about and understanding. So what else can I say? So you didn't set out to do this then what what led you down this path? What led you to astrology and then to going into all of this? I wish that I had like, you know, it's been 13 years and I feel like my story is still like somehow like surprisingly anticlimactic. In my early 20s, like so many, I was really sort of at a crossroads and trying to figure out like who I was, what I should be doing, what I wanted to be doing, I went through a break up, I worked at a gallery that turned out to be a Ponzi scheme. I hate, like moved to LA, I hated it, like I was just like in this sort of like really twisted up space, also like really struggling financially, really unclear about even like my foundation, you know, like things that I thought that I knew from my childhood and my own lived experience, like I was like, we decided even real, like what I was just really twisted and finding out that I was a Pisces moon was so clarifying to me because everything that I just described is sort of the Pisces moon experience and I was like holding moly like what? Like being intuitive, being sort of like having one foot in fantasy, one foot in reality, sort of like, you know, having zero boundaries, not knowing what your emotions are and another emotions are like not even really being able to get the whole story straight like, huh? I have never what archetype could I have been exposed to that would have helped me understand that part of myself that at that moment was so present in myself. So, you know, it was really like one thing led to another and I just kept finding value and learning about astrology and then the more I learned the more I sort of was like, hey, can I read your chart? Can I learn about like, oh, what does that feel like to you? And reading about things and it was a, you know, a process of actually arriving at the place where I became a full-time professional astrologer. It was not overnight. It was in fact many years between when I first discovered it and was studying with lots of twist and turns, including like starting an astrology dating app with a friend of mine and then that collapsing and then moving back to New York and basically like starting over from scratch again and like being like, I hate astrology and then my mentor being like, no, you don't come back. It was a saga. It was a saga. But I think that in a lot of cases that don't necessarily have to be astrology cases, but in cases where you are clearly have like, there's a magic that draws you to something and you keep denying what that is, you are going to become haunted by that thing. You know, there's no way that you can escape. This thing that you are passionate about and excited about and lights you up and you're good at and obviously has a value in your life. And I think that for me, most of the time that I spent denying it in my 20s was time that I felt that I would I was afraid of how others would perceive me and I was afraid of being like pigeonholed and judged. I was afraid of not being respected. I was afraid of being like Kuku bananas. You know, like I was afraid of really how I would exist in the world and it wasn't until I got into my Saturn return and later into my 20s that I was kind of like, fuck it, we ball. And that accepted by it also was like when the opportunity is started to flood in and that is where I am now. I love that and that kind of pattern of your life rings true to me and probably a lot of people going through their early 20s and entering into their their 30s because I felt the same way. I graduated college and felt like, oh, well, I have these creative passions within me, but that's that's not something you do if you want to be serious. You know what I mean? And so I I pursued things that were definitely not a right fit for me and I fell down into like just I felt wrong in everything that I did. And then it wasn't until I started with this and like doing looking into and writing and being creative and things that I am and very interested and passionate about that I it didn't feel like it started to click until that happened. So that was that was very that rang true to me anyway. Yeah, for sure. And I this was something I was telling Macy before we got on because I was asking her, you know, what kind of question she had and everything and, you know, she's more of the researchy gal, but I was like, you know, a random weird question and I don't even know if it's like appropriate to ask in the scenarios. I want to ask her like, how are you so like self assured? I was watching you and I was getting like inspired at the way that you care yourself within this space. And I guess you just kind of explained all like the whole story of like fuck it. We ball. It's just like, yeah, like you it took you a long time to get there, but I don't know. It was just it was inspiring to watch your podcast and then listen to you talk right now. It's kind of really impressed with that. And what you what you just said, it just kind of showed me like, yeah, that's how you got there. And I'm really impressed. Oh, that's so sweet. Thank you. I appreciate it. But yeah, I mean, it was not linear and there were lots of, you know, if it was really there, it was hard. It's been hard. You know, I'm a Capricorn rising like I like I got a hustle and work and like it's it always feels like, you know, reaching it always feels like there's some sort of either visit like literal obstacle that I am navigating or a a psychological obstacle that I am navigating through like or it has, you know, through the years, but like the cool thing about getting older as in another Capricorn rising thing is like things that bothered you 10 years ago, like truly do not matter in the future. And I think also then being just old enough to like understand what actually is important and significant and what you shouldn't get to worked up by is like a really beautiful thing. Yeah, I totally agree, totally agree. Another question I had just watching you and hearing some of your interviews on other podcasts is that you will sometimes recharge for historic events or people involved in this historic events. You also read for celebrities, which is like really fun to watch you talk to the celebrities about that. What is a historical event or historic person celebrity? Someone that you just really enjoyed reading and maybe felt a connection to or just I don't know, how to like a wow moment. You're looking into it and seeing the charts and seeing how they aligned with maybe something in their lives or something that's happened throughout history. I'm just really intrigued to pick your brain on that. You know, it's I've looked at and read so many charts over the years and I'm such a nerd that there's just like so many like every chart is exciting to me. You know, every chart is a puzzle, but I've had some really fun opportunities. I've been on the podcast morbid two times and on the first episode that I did with them, we did the Salem Witch Trials, which were just like, you know, we pulled hundreds of charts, charts for every instance, charts for every person, charts for every trial. And like, you know, I came in with a stack of like 200 charts. And I really felt like it was like the my academic nerdy like, you know, deep, diverse, sleuth pattern recognition brain was just like so fired up. We did it the following year on Jack the Ripper. I hope we could do something really fun this year too. But like, I love those sort of like deep dives into an era into a time period where we're looking at charts, we're looking at events, we're looking at sort of the whole landscape of what was going on and what was happening. Then, I mean, there was something in the Jack the Ripper. charts that I really am. So, you know, I can't stop thinking about, which is the fact that there was this very rare conjunction that had happened at that time, which was a Neptune gludo conjunction. Neptune is about like illusion and delusion and it's very much sort of like, it's like mists. It's obscuring things. It was very misty at this time in London, okay? Pluto is death. Pluto is transformation. It's also like long term stories that unfold over many, many, many generations and cycles. So the fact that we still do not know who Jack the Ripper is and the charts had this conjunction in them, which we have not had that conjunction since Neptune, conjunct Pluto, like I have goosebumps talking about it 'cause it's so literal. And I say this thing called tank, which means there are no coincidences and I just feel like it's just like, the tank of it all is so stunning. - Yeah, that is chilling. I do like my chills right now. That's amazing. - It's all spooky. - You give very, one final question we ask this to everyone who comes on 'cause you did pull our charts as well, which I mean, you don't know Salem Witch Trials, Jack the Ripper significance, but it is very exciting. - It is never know what's in your future. - That's true, don't tell yourself George. - Hopefully nothing gets traumatic as those two. - But speaking of spooky, we talk about ghosts in the paranormal often all the time here. That's what we do. Do you believe in spirits and ghosts and have you had any significant ghostly moments, maybe something you can't explain, haunting, anything like that in your life? - Of course I believe in ghosts. I'm not an idiot. - Oh, okay. - I'd just say no. - This whole conversation, you're like, oh absolutely no. - I've been posting haunted tea parties. In fact, I had one in LA in May and I just had one in New York. I chose pubs in July and then I'm gonna be doing them in October as well. - Yes, I love ghosts. I think the ghosts and the archetypes and energy of ghosts is like really important also. I am a ghost sympathizer a lot of the time. I will often find myself being like, if there's a ghost around, like there's something that needs to be addressed, that is not being addressed. And then the ghost almost becomes this like emotional whisperer of these darker psychological truths that are present at any given moment. I spent a few years of my life in a haunted house and have definitely like spooky ghost stories from that. - Ooh, I didn't tell you. - Yeah, please. - Anything that stuck out. - I'd love we'd love to hear. - We'd love to hear. - Okay, spooky is ghost story from this house, which was a house in Brooklyn built in the 1840s as a house for dock workers. It was a very small like square footage wise, very small, but it was four levels. So there was always sort of like, you know, like everything was very contained, but there was always something that could be going on one floor or the other, you know what I mean? Like there was, because there was not, like if you heard, if there was something going on right above you, you would hear it 'cause it was very small. It was narrow. - Yeah. - So this is actually not, I was in present for this story, but my stepmother was on the first floor, which was where the living room was. She was with her friend, and they were like talking, catching up. I have a half sister who's nine years younger than me, so she was like maybe six at the time, and they heard laughing. They heard laughing, kids laughing, and it was probably two o'clock in the morning or something. So they were like, huh, why is she awake? Like what's going on? - Yeah. I went up one flight to go look to see why she's awake, what's going on, and they opened the door. She's asleep, but under her bed, are all of her stuffies shoved between the crack of like the trundle bed and the floor, so like somebody would have had to lift up the bed to shove them in, and certainly like a six year old, who's asleep is not doing that. - Yeah. - So that is my favorite super spooky story of that house. But it was bad vibes. - It was not like not pleasant energy there. - Okay, I was about to ask. I mean, maybe if it's just like playful spirits, then that's not bad, but not if you get the bad energy, the negativity. - No, I mean, it was, I was 11, 10, 11, 12, I was there from 10 to 15, and I would say that like through that time, things would fall off the walls, all the time, smashing, there was always sort of like, I felt like I was always getting sick when I was there, like I always felt like my allergies were really elevated there, like I always felt like my histamine levels were really high, and then I would leave. Maybe there was crazy mold, it's possible. It was an old house for dock workers, but it was definitely like the energy felt, menacing, stressful, bad vibes. - Oh, well, I'm sorry that you dealt with that. - You know, it happens to the best of us. - It does. - Well, if you wanted to get started, I am madly, especially. She's been wanting to do this. I think she did like a call to action early, early on. Like anybody out there who knows astrology, come read my chart, so this is super exciting. - Very, very, yes. - Yes. - Well, yeah, so let's do it. Let's do it, Gurley is so Natalie, Virgo's son, Sagittarius rising, Cancer Moon. Do you know anything about those three placements? Should we start at the baseline? - Probably, I only know like, like Macy said, like the J-14, the tiger beat, like, "Oh, the marines, or like I'll read something online." So my broad knowledge, I know like, Cancer is like, emotional, our mom's a Cancer. And I know Virgo, like, I know more about Virgo, not really anything about Sagittarius or Cancer though. - Okay, cool. So your big three is like a great starting place for when you are learning and exploring astrology because it is your Sun sign, which is your sort of broad external identity, your rising sign, which is your unique perspective on reality, and your moon, which is your emotional inner world. It's what sustains you, it's what nurtures you, it's how you like, truly genuinely feel on the inside. So when we think about like how these placements work together, we can already just through the big three, the Sun, Moon and Rising, start to see what things are complimentary and what things are, create tension points. So for example, you know, a typical Virgo Sun is going to usually express to somebody who like, really wants a plan, wants a system, wants a way of doing something, but a Sagittarius rising wants adventure. A Sagittarius rising wants, you know, the wind beneath their wings, they want to learn, they want to explore, they don't want to feel boxed in, they don't want to feel stifled or limited. They also like love to fuck with a pair of like cowboy boots and like like to like feel a little wacky, you know, Virgo wants to be feel a little more buttoned up, refined, you know, professional. So already we can see that like there is a tension between how you want to be perceived, which let's call that the Sun and Virgo, and then what your relationship to the opportunities of reality are, which is sad, which is like don't put baby in a corner. Does that resonate so far? - Yeah. - Cool. - I know that it does, yeah, in person. - And then it's interesting that you said that your mom is a cancer because cancer or the moon is very much associated with mother, the way that we need to be taken care of, how we take care of ourselves, how we learn how to take care of ourselves. So a cancer moon is, you know, really needs to feel safe. A cancer moon really needs to feel seen, supported, emotionally held, respected, nurtured. Like it needs to feel like somebody really gets you in order for you to open up to them. And if you feel like somebody has like betrayed you or like somebody has misread you, then it really does feel like a true death, you know, it's like how could you have done this for me? - Because there is this like depth and sensitivity around that placement. There's a lot of sort of, you know, mommy things always are present with cancer moons. You know, I always wanna know like who's your mom, what's your relationship like with your mom? How did, you know, that energy show up and how does that inform your life? But something that I think is often overlooked with cancer moon placements, because we often spend a lot of time talking about the nurturing qualities of them, is like the wild qualities of them. I, you know, cancer is ruled by the moon. The moon is the closest celestial body to earth. The moon is the essence of seasons and nature and emotion. And one of my like, things that I've been saying recently is I've never met a cancer moon who doesn't need to run naked in the woods from time to time. So that is a pre-pricing for you, okay? - Wow, thank you. I'll take that. - That is hilarious. I feel like you're reading my soul. Like you just opened, you just opened my soul and you're just reading through me. This is crazy. Like I, I was already, I was already into it. I already was like, oh yeah, I fully believe, but like this is kind of insane. Do you feel that way right now? Yeah, I feel like I'm being made sense to me about you for sure. Oh my god. Everything she said. I was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Um, Macy, let's look at your chart. Okay. Let's do the big truth for you. So yours is a little bit different because you have the same rising and moon. So you are a Leo Sun. Moon and Taurus rising in Taurus. Yeah. So wait, you guys have, are you sisters? We are. Oh, yeah. Sorry. We should have led with that. Yeah. She's my little sister. We love to see it. Um, very cool and very interesting because, you know, we have, do you have the same mother? We do. Mom and dad. Yeah. Did you say? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said half sister. No, no full sister. Same mom. Same dad. Okay. Cool. Cool. Just wanted to make sure. So what's really interesting for you, Macy, is that mom stuff also present in your life as well. It's just metabolizing a little bit differently. Um, to have your moon, which as we were talking about represents your emotional inner world, it represents the way that you nurture and are nurtured in Taurus, Taurus being the sign of like safety, protection, practicality, feeling grounded. The moon is actually very happy to be in Taurus. So both of you have these very well placed moons where, you know, Macy, your moon is in its, it's what's called the exaltation. And then, um, Natalie, your moon is in its home sign of cancer. So like both of you have these like very high functioning moons. And your moon, Macy, is in your first house of identity. So present, like, like, I want to know about mom things for both of you. Like, I would imagine that your mom has played plays a very big role in both of your identities and both of your lives. Yes. Very, um, important, significant energy and archetype. Is that right? Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Our mom is like one of our, our best friends. She's, we talk to her every day. She's like our fourth sister. We have another sister, but she's like our fourth sister. Yes. Extremely close to our mom. Okay. Extremely close to mom. So tell me like, what's your mom's personality like? Like, give me a little mom team. She is, she's an interesting lady. High strong emotional, high strong emotional, but, but always there for you, always like, we'll always be there for you no matter what. Like when people say, like, this person will give you the shot off their back. She'll give you the skin off her back. She will take her head off to you if you need a head. Yeah. She is, she's the kind of person who will slam on her brakes in the car and turn around if she sees a person or a particularly an animal in need and will will be there to help put herself out to put someone else up for sure. Yeah. And then is your, are your mom and dad still together? They are. So because I'm seeing so much mom in both of your charts. What's also interesting is I'm pretty sure my dad is a tourist. So me having both of those signs and tourists is very interesting to me too that like connects to our dad. I also find it interesting that sorry, it's a little bit off topic. I've always, or I've never seen myself as much in Leo, but reading, finding out that I have the rising and moon in tourists, I feel connected more to tourists than Leo, I think in some aspects of my life. That also makes sense because your son in Leo is in an area of your chart called the fourth house, which is also the home and family and mommy home. So like that's why I'm like mommy, mommy, mommy, like, um, and it's, you know, it's definitely an area that is going to make that Leo energy a little bit more subdued. It's going, it's not going, you're not going to see that Leo, those Leo qualities sort of as like dramatically express as if this was in another part of your chart. So it's a little bit more of like a tone down Leo. However, what it also says to us is that like you shining, which is the Leo mission, you know, like you being a shining light within the context of your family has been very important and learning how to take that skill and externalize it is also going to be part of what your lesson is, you know, how can you find the same confidence that you have within the context of like spaces where you're safe and apply that to places where you feel a little bit more nervous, a little less accepted, a little bit more sort of like, you know, worried that you're not going to be let in and that you're not going to be have find your way to belong. Does that make sense? That resonates with me a lot. Yeah, for sure, definitely, definitely does. Are you the oldest of your sublates? I am. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that like you being sort of like leading the charge of like, this is what it looks like to be brave. This is what it looks like to take risks. This is what it looks like to go outside of your comfort zone. Like you kind of need to be the the beacon and the the courageous one to get it going, even though a lot in your chart also is like, I would just rather become decosing, you know, like I would rather not have to deal with it, but you are about to have your Saturn return. Yeah, I heard about that. Not too excited for it, but I do I feel I feel much more Leo in the context of my family than I do in the context of public, so that does make sense to 100%. Well, we want to hear that roar, baby. It's we wanted your your Leo across all dimensions. So we want to tap into that same level of like confidence and play and creativity, not just within spaces that you know that you will be accepted within, but also spaces where you don't know if you're going to be accepted and then you have to take leveless. So my prescription then. Yeah, that's your prescription. So Saturn return. Natalie, do you know what that is? I've heard it, but not not really. Okay, that's coming up for me. What, so it's a I from what I have known and read. It's it's what years of trials tribulation to what form you to to get you to who you're supposed to be. Is that right? Yeah, honey, you're in it right now. So your Saturn return is when you it's yeah, it's like you becoming a grownup, you know, it's I say that like before Saturn return, you are living the life that you believe you were supposed to live by way of your parents, your teachers, your societal expectations. And then on the other side of your Saturn return, if you do it right, you're living the life that you are supposed to live, which means that there's a lot of growing pains going from point A to point B. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. When does this happen? Is this like between like 28 and 30 with sort of the the closest, you know, I would say like 29 is really sort of like the the like the age that it's it touches down. Got a couple more years. I'm not there yet. Not there yet. Not there yet. No, but you can follow, you can follow Macy's lead, Macy has to lead the charge and be very brave. I'm working, I'm working my way through. So what are some things? I guess one, when does it end? When can I see my way out? And then two, what are some ways that I can based off of my chart? Make that way my way finally through it, barrel my way through to the end. So your Saturn return last for, you know, there's there's a time period where it's sort of like most exact and for you that has been happening through the spring. And then you're going to sort there's like a back and forth. It's like an era of life. Let's put it that way. Okay. You will be like formally on the other side of your Saturn return when Saturn moves into Taurus. And then Natalie, you are up next. You have your Saturn in Taurus. So you were going to be following suit then. Oh my gosh. Saturn stays in a zodiac sign for two and a half years. So you know, you can say that yours, your sat like the totality of your Saturn return is really in that two and a half year journey. But it's, I would say that it's like really, you know, the most extreme version of it takes about a year. So you are in that most extreme version right now, me see. Lovely. And then there's going to be like some more assembling and arranging. And then it's the implementation, you know, it's like making sure that you are doing what you need to do. Your Saturn return really talks a lot about therapy. It talks about spiritual work. It talks about needing to do a lot of like self acceptance, looking at things of how they are not getting angry, big thing for you that you need to learn how to do right now. Actually like finding your sort of like conviction in things and being like, I shouldn't have, that shouldn't have happened. And I'm it's a, it's okay for me to be angry about it. And like finding your voice by way of advocating for yourself, but in order to access that, there is going to be, you know, it's important for you to you know, be working with therapists, healers, trusted companions, you know, to really be giving you all of the insight that you need. Interesting. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense because it was, I don't know. In the last year or so, I've I felt like my world has become concave, like it's caved in around me, like my perceptions of the world, I guess, and like I'm going through rebuilding how I see and how I relate to the world and everyone else around me. So that's super, super interesting to hear this. Very hard, very challenging, but really, really important and setting you up for success for the rest of your life. Oh, and that's really good to hear too, especially when you're in the thick of rebuilding and trying to figure everything out through these tough times. It's good to know that one, everyone goes through this and then two, it will, there will be a way out. There will be more. There will be, you know, hopefully if I can learn my lessons through this, something better. Yeah. It's not forever. Yes. That's good to know. That was so cool. So thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. I'm blown away. That was incredible. So, where can people go to learn more about this astrology? I know everyone's day has or I've seen you've been doing kind of like Q&A and kind of teaching moments about astrology on some of your Wednesday episodes. And I found that really interesting, is that where you would point people to to get their like, I don't know, astrology 101. Yeah. So, I have a podcast. It's called Astrology with Alisa Kelly. I have Monday episodes that are about the week ahead and that they also include horoscopes for every sign. And then Wednesday episodes are the tea party. So we go deeper into different astrological concepts. I also have celebrity guests on. We do a lot of, you know, we, we really, we have fun. It's a tea party. It's a geeky. And then on, I also have an amazing online community called the Constellation Club that I actually started way back in 2019. We have over 1500 members from all around the world. And that's where I host my current meetings, which I host every new moon and full moon along with like tons and tons of resources about astrology 101 and learning how to read your birth chart. But, you know, the community is always chatting and there's always something to do. And, you know, someone's pulling cards. It's like a library of Alexandria meets like a spooky witch school meets like a very safe sleepover party vibe. So it's, it's really wonderful. And that's called the Constellation Club. Constellation Club? Well, that sounds like my kind of community. I love that. The, our listeners. We would love to have you. They're going to flock to you. I already know it. They're going to be really excited about this. Oh, yeah. Well, those keys are obviously welcome. You know, TST has served. Yes. But one giant communal tea party. And I love that. Yes. And then, you know, it's a pipeline from a kettle to a cauldron. You know? Yes. Yes. For sure. Well, thank you again so so much for taking the time for reading our charts. That was incredible. That was so much fun. And we appreciate you coming onto our, our little tea party over here. Thank you so much. You're both so lovely. I really appreciate it. Yes. Great to meet you. Thank you. Thank you, Alisa. Yeah. Alisa Kelly everyone. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. That was our conversation with Alisa Kelly of Astrology. What did you think? Did you find it as informative and empowering as we did? Thank you, Alisa Kelly, or if you get your podcasts. Her energy is electric. And it's a podcast that Natalie and I really truly enjoy. 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