"RE-RELEASE: Matthew Rhys"

(upbeat music) - Sorry that you guys caught me off guard. I was just talking to Jason's wig maker and he had said that they don't make the hair that Jason uses for the wig anymore because it's a synthetic thing and it has to do with me because it's the user's certain petroleum component to it, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, the point is if you see Jason on the street, just please say, "Hey, man, your natural hair looks great." It's an all-new smart list. (upbeat music) - Smart, wise. Are you guys excited? - I'm excited. - Do you know what I'm talking about? - I think, are you talking about our, we're on the TV? - Yeah, with the dark. - We're gonna be on TV. I told my whole family. - Smart list on the road. - On Macs. - On Macs, that new platform, yes. - Yes. - Should we do, should we, should we watch it together? - That's much of it. - That would be super fun. - Oh God, that's not a bad idea. I'm really excited. I'm excited for people to. - See Will Ferrell. - It sounds weird to say, well yeah, I'm excited for people to see, well, we have so many great guests. - Yeah, so say some of the guests. We have Will Ferrell. - Will. - Will starts it off though, doesn't he? - Will starts it off. - Yeah, so we have Conan. - Yeah, Kevin Hart. - Let him in. - Hang on, hang on, we have Letterman. Then we have AOC with special appearance by, can we mention that Bradley makes a special appearance? - Bradley Cooper comes into Cooper right for us. And then we go to Chicago. We have Andy Richter and Jeff Tweety from Wilco. - Mark Cuban. - Mark Cuban. And then Maddie Damon. - Matt Damon, the Matt Turtle. - Yeah, a Turtle, Quirtle, Whirtle, Perennial. - Wait a minute. - Through a place finisher, Matt Damon. And then one of the biggest guests of the entire tour, it's Tracy from Wisconsin. - Tracy from Wisconsin. - Tracy, Sean's sister. - My sister. - Oh, Sean's sister makes an incredible appearance. - Yeah. - Oh, and it. - And doesn't your mother's, your mother's right eye make an appearance as well. - And your mother's eye makes an appearance too? - All true. - By the way, it's all true. And you can see it. Get it. - Yeah. - On. - Don't get it. - On Max, smartness on the road. Check it out. - Glad you asked because I don't think they get it. And then by the way, we come back to LA, and then we end here with Kimmel. - With Kimmel and Kevin Hart. - I mean, we get to have, what a soft landing. Come back and have our good buddy, Jimmy, Kimmel. And then Jan makes an appearance. And Guy, I mean. - And then what's the final meal of the whole thing? - Oh yeah, then we're over at Shawnee's house for some-- - Oh, we got Shawnee's house. Was it-- - Right. - Was it spaghetti and meatballs? - Sloppy Joe's. - Sloppy Joe's. - Sloppy Joe's. - Sloppy Joe's for you guys. - Yeah. - It's all in the doc. - We're all, are we watching it at your house? - Yeah, let's watch it. - Let's watch it. - Let's watch it. We'll watch it on Max. It's kind of so fun. I think I, I hope people like who knows. But, we hope. It looks real good too. Sam Jones did a great job directing it. It looks real handsome. It's black and white. - I hope people like it. It's, it's why it's May 23rd, right? - May 23rd on Max. - Okay. - I have a crazy story that happened. I told, well, I said I was gonna save it to tell you today. - You have some pre-show pattern? - Yeah. Sean, go ahead. No, this is crazy. Sean, what have you prepared? I have prepared this. This is Sean's by the way, don't interrupt. It's peaking. I've prepared. There's so many preparing some something in the kitchen behind you. Yeah. Scott is going to make me some tea right now. Okay. Tea. Whoa. Whoa. Are you fasting? I'm on Broadway. I'm on the Broadway. Oh, do you keep your pipes nice and lubricated? Well, it just won a clock there. What was for lunch? I just had a, I had a, what's it called? Like a Kaiser roll with egg and cheese and a little bacon. Apple juice. I had, what do they call it? Like a footlong sub. Kaiser roll. Kaiser. Yeah. Where do you have to go to get that? Like a bread shop. Downstairs. Downstairs. No, Zaybars. Kaiser. Zaybars is a Jewish deli. We live right in, you know, near it. And then there's a cafe and they don't do bagels with egg. You think they would do bagels because they sell bagels in the store part, but not the cafe part, which is really great. You gotta go full Kaiser. Yeah. All right. All right. So this is the story. This is crazy. This is going to blow your mind. I think it blew my mind. So the show takes place in 1958 backstage at the tonight's show. Oscar Levant is the guest on the tonight's show that night. The other guest, which we never see, we only reference a lot is Jane Mansfield. Sure. Okay. Who was, you know, this big star back in the 50s Marilyn Monroe. Jane Mansfield. Very similar. So Mariska Hargitay. You know, Mariska Hargitay. I do. Sure. Yeah. She's the star. That's the you thing. Oh, thanks, Scotty. Hey, Scotty. Nice to meet you. Just maybe team. So she's the star of this show for like 20 some years, right? So I'm so she's like, I'm outside of your theater. Come out. I'm like, oh my god. I came out. Give her a hug. Said hello. We took a photo. We're done. And she go and somebody in the show whispers in my ear. Her mom is Jane Mansfield. Yeah. I go, wait a minute. What? Yeah. Well, Mariska Hargitay's mom. I go, your mom is Jane Mansfield. I go, do you know that we reference your mom in this show over and over again? Did your mom know Oscar Levant? She's like, I don't, I don't know. You know, unfortunately, she was very young when her mom died. So then we go back and we say her buys. I go back in the theater. And I forgot. I text her. I go, by the way, your mom made her Broadway debut in this theater that we're working in right now. Isn't that crazy? Crazy, crazy. Yeah. And so, did you at least offer her tickets to the show? No, she's got to pay for this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can give her access to the house. I can get her. Her dad, her dad was Mickey Hargitay who was like a bodybuilder from Hungary. How do you know that? I know that. Just googled it. No, I did it. I knew that before. And, um, wait, why do you know vague Hungarian bodybuilder? Look, do you want to see my magazine collection or not? No, I don't want to see your search history. I do. I actually do. I read somebody my search history the other day for such a bonkers all over the map. The weird. I go here. Do you want to know what I've been searching up the last 24 hours and it was just the weirdest stupidest stuff? Um, I want to say just because I want to be, and I don't want to bring it down, but I got to be honest about where I'm at. If that's okay, yes, today, and then we switch gears. Is that okay? Just, of course it is. It's very real. Um, do you want me to say you want me to describe it? My, my, my oldest friend in the world, Jeremy, passed away. Oh, and, uh, I loved him so much. Oh, well, I'm so sorry. And, uh, yeah, you just found out yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, fuck. Oh, God. I'm so sorry. And I just got to be honest about it because it's what's going on in my head. And, um, I just wanted to, I just wanted to say that I just, I love the guy so much. And it's so Jason and I were talking today, um, this morning. And it's funny. We always get surprised when people that you say it's such a surprise, such a shock. And we know that the deal is that everybody's going to die in some, we're here for five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And you pass suddenly. Well, you know, the, the, the last few weeks were kind of, came out of nowhere, certainly, but then, and then he finally passed. And I'm happy he did. He was, he was, you know, obviously, he was in a lot of pain. And I'm just thinking about his family and, um, and all of them. And I've known them forever and in, you know, his daughter and his wife and, and his parents, who my parents do in their grand, and our great grand parents do each other, our families are intertwined for generations and, and, um, he was, Jeremy was up in Toronto or, he was in Toronto. Yeah. And, uh, and he was one of the great guys. He's a, I always say he's a first ballot Hall of Famer, just a great guy. You could always rely on him. And, and I miss him. And, you know, you never, um, and I just, just thinking this morning, you know, I was taking the kids to school and it was just thinking like, oh, man, hug the people you love. Yeah. Tell them as much as you can. And if you're thinking about somebody, call them, let them know. Right. Just let them know you're, you're thinking about him. You love him. How important they are to you. Um, I love that. And I just wanted to say that because it's all my mind. And I love you guys so much. We love you. We love you too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, it is, you're right. It is this sort of like, we're always shocked that people die, but everyone here is going to everyone listening will. And it's like, it's a terrible thought. And we somehow have managed this little device inside our head and our heart to kind of put it in a little box and keep it away and deal with it at near the end of our life. Um, we just kind of pretend it's not ever going to happen. But, oh, it does. And we just hope we use our time correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. You know, I just did this, I just did this article, uh, this interview. And Jay, you're so kind. I just read it. You said such nice things about me. And I appreciate it. And, and, um, and I said, um, I said, you know, if I can pull this thing off great, if not, I'm still alive. Yeah. My quote, you know, about the play. So you're feeling bullish about the play. Yeah. It could stuck, but at least I'm not dead. No, but the point is to your point, well, it's like, we're still here. We're here. We're here. We're here. Nothing matters other than our health and our people we love and the people we love. And, and I just, yeah, I wanted to say that. Just say, Jared, we love you. and that's it, you know, I'm thinking about you, buddy. And I also know that he was, he was always so quick with a laugh and he loved to frickin' laugh. This guy made me laugh. And so I don't know, he would, he'd be like, "Great, well, get to your guest." (laughing) - Yeah. - You got a nice opportunity to give him a nice goodbye this weekend with all of those people you're talking about. - That's right, that'll be a wonderful thing for him to watch. - That's right. - You know, I mean, the, that's one of the good things about after we go, right? We get to what, like, it's a narcissist delight. You get to just pull up a chair and watch it. Everybody say nice things about you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. - At least that's my fantasy. - I know, well, it's one of your fantasies. - Right, just a big Jason session for a whole day. - What are you eating right now? - No, in that situation where you get-- - Oh, well, it doesn't matter anymore. - Just a super salty puff inducing things. 'Cause, you know, you can get as puffies you want upstairs. - Sure you can. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Turns out you can be as puffies as you want downstairs. - Oh. - Well, actually, you lose water weight. Almost instantaneously down there, 'cause you're always sweating. - Oh. - Yeah. - It's hot and yet. - Oh, well, you're going, yeah. You're gonna get to your lot of sweating going on. That's a good point. It's a constant shfitz. Just switch gears. - Sure. - Yeah. - You know, if we can, as much as we can to somebody who's not puffy, really? - No, this gentleman keeps it very tight. In the best way. I really-- - Well, lucky son of him. - Yeah, I know he really is. He's got, this is a guy, you want to talk about first ball at Hall of Famer, this is the guy who's got it all. I mean, easy. When you got, when you got talent and good looks, forget about it, when you got an easy way about you. Oh boy, for a frickin' get it. This guy's done it, everything. He's been on the big screen. He's been on the little screen. He's been on the boards, you know, on stage, if you will. This guy is from the other side of the pond. - Uh-oh. - He's British. - Yeah, well, he's actually Welsh. His first language is Welsh, according to the internet. - Huh. - He's a guy who's done so much and he's one of those guys who like you, just every time you see him, you're like, oh, I love this guy. Everything he does, this is the way I feel. You know, he was, for years, he was on, you knew him from brothers and sisters and then he was on the Americans forever. And one of the thing I love about him, maybe the most, is that he is partnered with one of my all-time favorite people, the delightful Kerry Russell guys. It's the incredibly talented Matthew Rees. - Oh, man. - Oh my god. - Yes. - Look at him. - Look at that. - Is he gorgeous or what? Look at this dash, look at him. And that's nice at all. - No, no. - Not for you. - We have a fifth guess today. - He just, he proved that the mustache was real. He pulled on it just to-- - No, no, I'm just checking. I'm checking the glistening. - Listener, he's got a 30-pound mustache on and it's looking strong. Are you playing a motorcycle cop? - No, I'm doing the Tom Selleck biopic. (laughing) - You could, you could welcome to "Smartless Matthew Rees." - Thank you, thank you. - Very much. You know, that's a real terrifying moment. They're a real. - Yeah, 'cause at the beginning, I was like, is he talking about Ian McKellen? Who are they expecting? What is this? This is gonna go tear an edge or ten, everyone? (laughing) - They're real loves, when who can say? - For sure. - Wow, it's such a, it's so cool to meet you. - I know, very, very cool. - Very cool. - Thank you, thank you very much for having me on, Jen. - This is a real pleasure. - Matthew, I wish we don't know each other well enough. We've crossed paths a few times because obviously Carrie and I are old friends. And so we've met through Carrie. And she's such a delightful person as you are well aware. And then she's like, I just, I love the idea. I'm like, you're as good as the people you hang out with. And the fact that you and Carrie together, I'm like, "Matthew's a good guy." He's a great guy. - No, I just know, I took, I took that idea. And then I latched myself on to him so that those around us would think the same thing. - By the way, that's smart. That's smart living. - How long did you guys do that show together? Was it five, six? - It was six, six years. - Yeah. - It was meant to be five. And I think the poor showrunners had kind of acted for five. And then FX went, "You know, let's do one more." And they went, "Oh, we have less." - That's nice. - We had the opposite. - Oh no. - That's a good sign on a show. We're talking of course about the Americans. - Yep. - And Margot Martin Dale's a friend. - And dear, dear Margot Martin Dale. - Yeah. - That Carrie, that they were both reunited on cocaine bear recently. - Yes. - Yes. - Margot and you did, you were in cocaine bear as well. - Come on. - I muscled my way in. Just what, looking out to the kids in Ireland and reading the script and that first opening scene, I said, "Who's playing that guy?" The guy who bangs his head and falls out the plane. She's like, "What, who?" I don't know. And then I said, "Ask Liz of Banks." I said, "Ask Banks, who's playing that part?" So she texted banks, "Oh, we haven't cast you in." I said, "Tell, I'll do it." "Tell, no, actually, but no." "Just ask it if I can do it." And she very kindly said, "Yes, you can come in and fall out of an airplane." - By the way, what a absolute treat. So you're directing a movie and then you got a guy who's got one scene, basically. And then you're like, "Matthew Rees calls." And he's like, "Hey, can I just do this one scene?" You're like, "Uh, are you kidding?" - Yeah, she smelled the desperation on me. I was like, "Can I please get out of the house? I can't do another zoo or a query." (laughing) - Fees. - Sean, is it true, the rumors are, that's how you had Scott met, right? Didn't you put in the search for cocaine bear? (laughing) No, did I not hear that right? - No, I think he was technically was cocaine cub, wasn't it? - Here's cocaine cub. - Yeah. - It was the prequel that they haven't had. - Oh, Scotty. - Oh, Scotty, if he only knew. So you could cocaine bear, and of course I want to get, I don't want to just gloss over the delightful Margot Martin deal whom we all adore. - Oh yeah, she's the greatest. - No one can swear like Margot Martin Dale. - Oh, that's the best. - I mean, she should have a kind of course, an NYU like swearing for film and television, 'cause no one can swear like her. - And no one can get their iron up quicker, and then get to swearing over something that seems trivial. We did that show together, the Miller's, and she'd be like, "Hold for a while." - Can you believe they just did this re-run? I got a fucking, remember this fucking thing, and they want to shoot this afternoon, and you're like, "Jesus, what?" - Yeah. (laughing) - She said if one very famous actor who's in our show, and can you fucking hear the way he breathes? (laughing) - Oh, well, I had before that. - No, I have been like sleeper, I can hear it now. You brought it up. - Oh, work with her. - Oh, Jason, you love her. - Oh, Jason, you will so fall in love with Margot Martin Dale. You won't be able to contain yourself. Oh, guys, am I right? - Yeah, she's great. - Goal, absolutely, goal. - Now, tell me, Welsh is a language. Is that what I heard you say, Will? - Oh, my God. - It is. - Oh, wait, so it's not English? - Yeah, ready for the letters. - It's not English, it's much older than English. It's one of the oldest in Europe. - So let's start there. So I just want to say, so Matthew, you are, it says that your first language was Welsh, is that true? - It is, it is. I grew up speaking Welsh, the whole family speak Welsh. - But isn't Welsh just English with an accent? I don't understand. - Yes, basically, what we do is try and adopt such a harsh accent. No one really understands the English of speaking. - No, no, no, no, no. He's putting on, so I spent some time in Cardiff, which is where you're from, yeah, Matthew? - It is. What were you doing there? - I was looking for you in there a few years ago, and I remember we had this-- - What were you driving? - I had, I was gonna say, the driver I had when I was working on that show, you know the guy-- - Jerry Lockett? - Yes, Jerry Lockett. - Oh, the Lockett rocket, yeah. - The famous Jerry Lockett. - What do you mean, driver? What are you talking about? - You got a Rolls Royce. That's what I was trying to bait you to. Didn't you know I had it? - Oh, no, no, I had it. - Yeah, they loaned me a Bentley when I was in London. I was drove around. - You're disgusting. - It's a long story. - Right side drive? - Wait, did you drive yourself? - Yeah, I did. I drove myself. - Right side drive? - Sure did. - Oh my God. - And then I drove to Ricky's to Jermis' house in London 'cause I was going to have to go to his house to have a visit. - Who are you? - And I called him and I said, I'm outside and he came out and he saw me in the spent and I go, where can I park this thing around here? And he was like, Jesus fucking Christ, look at it. It wasn't mine. It was literally, I don't drive a Bentley. That was why I made a point. Anyway, so you're from Cardiff. We know Jerry Lockett, we've got Jerry out there and we know that he's listening. We love you Jerry. So we know he's too. - Rocket Lockett. - How are you? And I knew that you guys knew each other 'cause he was always like, do you know Matthew Reese? And I was like, I do. I do a little bit 'cause I know Kerry. He says, yeah, Matthew's from here and he's so proud of you. And all the Welsh are so proud of Matthew. - So this is what you've done. - I think there's only, because there's only three million of us, three and a half million. - That's all of Canada. - What is the population of Canada now? - 30, 30. - 30. - Oh, okay. - You're misted by a zero. - 10%. - Yeah, so anyone who's Welsh and has done anything, even if I haven't done anything, we're just inherently proud for a country the size of Connecticut. - Two of them are named Bale and one of them is named Reese. - Yes, that's it. So, Christian, Gareth, and Bale and Matthew Reese. - Well, there's also Hopkins. You also got Hopkins. - Oh, wow, too. - You do. - Yeah. - And then Burton, obviously. - So wait, I don't know anything about you, and I know you, I'm a fan of you. But I don't know anybody. Did you, so were you one of those people that grew up and did theater and stuff as a kid? And you're like, oh my God, if I can go to America, wow. - We're gonna get to that, John. That's exactly right. - Yeah, he's right in the middle of a storm. - He's telling us what's the worst. - What's the worst about a Rolls Royce and a Bentley? - King Welsh is his first lady. - Oh, no, no. - He's coming well. the plane on that. Okay, sorry, go ahead, Matthew. And go out some well, check your chat, please. So talk about, no, by growing up speaking well, you, you guys spoke Welsh at home, yeah? We did. We did. And in Wales, there's, there's a great, you know, there's a great reverence for, you know, performing arts. And there's a very, there's kind of an ancient tradition, you know, dates, it's pre-Christian, whereby everyone congregates with the older, there's everybody congregate, and then you would sing competitively or a site poetry or anything of that ilk, basically, and it's very modern these days, but twice a year, all the children of Wales will gather and they've, it's a competitive, you know, it's a competition now, but you're very much encouraged to get on stage and in some form, art form or another and compete for your school or your county or, or whatever. Oh, wow. So, yeah, so from a very early age, you're kind of kicked on to a stage, whether you want to. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And now, a word from our sponsor. All right, back to the show. So you, you grow up, you're speaking, well, obviously you speak English as well. And they speak both. They're the signage and stuff in Wales. It's, it's delightful. It's, it's, you know, one in English and one in Welsh. And it's a, it's tough to read. It's a hotbed of contention. Yeah. What's the distance between English and Welsh? I mean, I've absolutely no idea what it sounds like, what it looks like. Yeah, you talk a little bit in Welsh just so we can hear it. I'll just get one, one of the oldest poems in Welsh is about 600 BC. And it just says, go to your eyes, getcha, if a fright they leave. Glasferi hankuina, guanyinvi. Lord of the rings, the elves, it's how the elves speak, Lord of the Rings. Yes, we'll talk in based, uh, Elfish on Welsh. Oh, I just made that up. Is that true? Oh, yes, it is. Yeah. What are you kidding me? I mean, I'm a, I'm a 54 year old man that, uh, is not living in a cave. Why have I never, ever heard? Well, it's a golden cave. I mean, let's be honest. Well, yes, it's a beautiful cave. I should tell. I've heard teller. Yes. One cave to bind us all. Well, why, what, what, I don't understand how that's gone by me. Well, I do. Well, I, I think you listen, I don't want to get into on the English bashing soapbox. But the English, you know, if we're going to, we'll do a quick history. The English did their best to kind of radicate all the Celtic languages for the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Cornish, you know, they, they, they weren't too Celtic friendly. So there was a lot of stamping out of the language in the culture. Wow. And, and was it influenced by, um, folks more northern? Like, was there a Viking influence to all those Celtic languages? I mean, there's, I mean, there's the great evolutionist, Germanic based, and then, you know, the, I think the Keltoi were a Spanish tribe initially, and they, you know, then the goals got involved, and it all amalgamated, and then, and then they, you know, set up camp in Britain, and then the Romans came. We're all such babies here in America. Well, you don't learn any, even if you did pay attention, you know, even if you did in, in America, go to school, not on a massage bus, you, you learned, you learned, you learned history. How dare you, you learned history. But at least in Canada, we did, we had to take British history. So we knew, we, we were always talking about a battle of colloden and all that shit. Like, was the, was the, was the, is the empire still stamped on your throat in Canada? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, I don't, I, I haven't lived there in 30 years. So I, this is a guy who reads World War Two books on the canal, going to bed. He's not as bad as Justin Toro, who will watch World War Two documentaries through the face hole of a massage table. That's, that he's, he takes it to a new level. There's this loss for World War Two lines. It just for comfort and stuff. He lines it with his discarded sleeves, just to protect his face. Just a pattern ring. So, so Matthew, so you're, you're in, you're in what, you're sort of 17 and you go to rada. Yeah, yeah, one to the ones. Yeah, one academy of dramatic art in London, which is the three eminent classical acting school in the world. Yeah, that's what I tell everyone. Yeah, I told my parents they allow me to go. It's like everybody who goes to rada, they'll tell you. And it's the same way with everybody who's ever gone to Oxford. Make sure to let that be known. We asked for drop it in. You know, they're all called there. You walk in and they've left the, the on a board to still up in, in the, in the, in the foyer. So like, you know, has Peter O'Toole and Anthony Hopkins and it's incredible. I did a, I did a summer course there years ago in 1987. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did the whole thing for a few months there. Yeah, I'm rada rada. I sure do that. I was amazing, man. What did you do? You seem so dumb. It was amazing. Is there a lot of pressure when you go to a school like that to, to, to, to make it? I mean, obviously you did, but I mean, is there, it could just sort of culturally do you feel there? Like, oh my god, okay, so I'm in rada now. I got a, I got a, I got a, I got to maintain their, our batting average of, or is there a lot of people that go there and, and, and then go into other fields? Is that, was that more common? It is, it is. It's a, it's a, it's a very small intake. There's only 30 to each year, 15, 15 men, 15 women every year. Um, yeah, yeah. So it's, it's very small. So you, you, you feel the pressure immediately and, uh, that's small. Did they do it on a bus? Yes, like a massage bus. Yeah, yeah, it just, it just, it kind of goes around, around to pick it up, 30 on the massage bus comfortably. That's what I heard. And then you guys stop, you guys stop for lunch at jinkies on Ventura, right? Yeah, I mentioned that some reading at the Bodhi tree. But it's very exclusive, but you, here you are, you're, you're a kid from Cardiff with, with the, you, the only Welsh person in your year. Um, yes, I was. I was. I had a friend who was a year older and then Michael Sheen had just come through, kind of blazed a trail and was kind of, you know, setting the west end on, on fire. So, so there was this, you know, there was a, the, the flag of Wales is, is the dragon. So there was a kind of a dragon's firmly stamped, uh, as to, you know, the Welsh are resurging again. Um, but, you know, like I said, hopkin, hunting Hopkins was the, the chairman of the board at the time. So he'd be in and out and he'd, he'd just done, um, shadow lands. So, you know, there was this, there was this great air that, you know, anything was, anything was possible, really. I think, I think one of the things that the Welsh and Wales suffered from enormously small person syndrome. And at that time, there was just this little bubble of, of a few, you know, Welsh people doing incredibly arcatholies, it was bursting to the ranks. So I was there at this Renaissance when anything felt possible. Um, you know what my question is going to be? I can ask it now or later. Oh, did you ever forget a line on stage? What's your favourite theatre story, Matthew? Yeah, I, because you got to have one or two. Yes, I have, um, well, I have quite a few in fact. No, but it's possible when I was, because I was doing theatre for, for the first, well, five years, solidly. And then at 25, um, I thought I, I, I, I got the role that was going to change my life in my career, it didn't, but I got, uh, to play Benjamin Braddock in a stage adaptation of the graduate with Kathleen Turner as my Mrs. Robinson. Wow. Yeah. And to me, it was the first real introduction to Hollywood, because I'd never experienced anything like it in every sense, like, P.A.'s, and I was like, what's a P.A.? Who has a P.A.? It was just incredible. Anyway, fast forward, halfway through the run, um, it got a little, you know, there were a few bedroom antics in, in, in the production, and there's one moment why I jump in bed and, um, with simulating sex. And I have to kind of plunge my face between her legs as if I'm, I'm, I'm pleasuring her. Sure. Or she has, she did have the, you know, the obligatory kind of, you know, flesh toned, um, underwear on. But anyway, I just, I had a streaming head cold. Sure. And being the malicious vindictive type that I am, I wouldn't let the industry go on. So I went, I went on and I had my nose is just streaming. My coat, my nose is streaming. I couldn't, I didn't want to kind of sniff heavily during, you know, during silence. So I, and I'm doing, yeah, and I go, oh, I know, I know what I know what I'll do. I'll just clear my nose in that quiet moment when I'm between, I know, and I didn't think. So I jumped in and I'm between misturned his legs, and I just went, and inhaled deeply, and the covers kind of shot up. And she's looking down, and he's like, fuck, fuck. And I was like, oh, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not still, I'm not still, I have a cold, I have a cold, I'm not still, I'm not still, you're not trying to whine out. No, no, it can't. No way. Yeah. So I, I always lived with this deep regret of that moment. That, and when someone, there was a paparazzi photo, when the moment she, and she took off her, her robe, and this paparazzi photographer stood up and photographed her in a big flash went off. I know. And I looked at her on stage in this moment, and I was like, oh, we should, we should stop. And she came in with the next line. And I always remember thinking, regardless that she was a consumer professional when I'm going to come in with the next time, I'm going to carry on. I bitterly regret in that moment not stopping the production because the next day in a tabloid newspaper. Yeah. A huge photograph of, yeah. Yeah. I was ashamed. I was ashamed. Oh, my God. Well, you know, God. But it was. Yeah. It's a tabloid. In the head of the line just, just said, Welchman, you know, just fucking cowers under pressure. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Pineless Welchman does nothing. We'll leave it to the English tabloid. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Oh my God. So, so Matthew, so you, you, you did, as you said, you did, Did you played another great Welshman? You played Dylan Thomas, didn't you? I did. I did. I did. I did. Yes. Oh my god. She feels so long ago. It's about 12 years ago now. Yeah. He had this incredible moment, the poet Dylan Thomas had this incredible moment in his life where he was having a fear that power was played by Kira Knightley and Senator Miller was playing my wife. And Killian Murphy is the husband of Kira Knightley. And this is all true that he burst in on Dylan Thomas with a machine gun because of doing the second war. He came in with the machine gun. He opened fire. He like, and then missed everyone and took out a grenade, pulled the pin and the grenade didn't go off. And it was that story that we we told in no way of love. Yeah. It was kind of it was an unbelievable story that he survived and then tragically drank himself to death. Wow. Talk about this, about the worst assassin you could ever imagine. Yes. And I was like, I was like, I was saying talking to Killian, but I was like, but you're a commando. You're a trained commando. What? Do you want to play this part? So you are, you are not, you do not live in Wales, correct? I do not know. I now live in leafy Brooklyn. Leafy Brooklyn? Yeah. So you live in Brooklyn, but you you come over, you do theater, as you say, for basically five years. And then you move over to America to do what? What was the first thing that brought you over? The first thing I did I was doing, I was doing a play. I was actually doing a two-hander at the Royal Court with Paul, Paul Bettany called one more wasted year and everyone called it one more wasted evening because it wasn't, it wasn't good. My own family said as much. It was terrible. So they come back, they come backstage. What were they saying to you backstage? My uncle was the first person of the entire group and they came in and is an old-sea captain, very salty new in. Well, that was shit. Yeah. And I couldn't argue. I went, you're absolutely right. And then, yeah, Stephen Daulry, who was the, Stephen Daulry was the artistic director at the time and press night came in, went, "Darlings, was it the play we need to see right now?" Probably not. Should we go to party? That's hysterical. Oh, wow. That's so hardcore. So you come over with Paul Bettany, you do. Sorry. Yes. And an American agent came to see the play and he said, "Do you want to come over for a pilot season?" And I had no idea what it was. And I said, "Yes." And then came to LA. And then the first audition he set me up with, it was, it was Julie Tame was first movie, Titus with Anthony Hopkins and Jessica Lang. And I just thought, "Oh my god, Los Angeles is truly the promised land where you just turn up and get these huge movies and everything's great." And then I did that. Yeah. And I shot that in Rome for six months and then I went back to LA and didn't get a job for a decade. Yeah. But here's another, another time I'm going to, my career is going to be made. And it was just like, "Where?" Yeah. It's not amazing. I love that feeling of like, yeah, it's going to be like this forever. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the Clondike. I arrived, it was like the Clondike where they throw you these scripts and go, "This is being made for MGM with this is a lead." And you're like, "Oh my, and you're allowing me to audition for this is madness." All I have to do is get the part and I'm set for life. You never know anything. You really don't. I mean, look at us three more runs. Like, we've, we've, we've, each of us have had great success as I knock on wood. We're super grateful for in our careers. But then, you know, this thing comes along. It's more successful than anything we've ever done. And it was just us three in its chatting during it. The world basically was saying, we don't want you guys to do the thing that you think that you're going to just, the things you're professional at. Yeah. You can keep doing that a little bit if you want. But we just want you to be that you're, we want to hear your idiotic thoughts and stupid shit. Yeah. Just like, well, you know, wonder at the moment where Sean learns that Wales was, you know what, you know, where Wales got its name, Sean? Where? That's where they made the first harpoon. You know, that's not true. It's not true. That's not true. Correct. But you bought it for a second. Yeah. And that's what they tune into here because he'll fuck with me and he'll say something that's completely not true. And then he'll say something that's completely true. I never know what to believe. It's hard. I know. But wait a minute. They did shoot Moby Dick in Wales with Gregory Pank. I'm a grandfather worked on it. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. They built three large rubber whales and one of them, one of them, I know, they were like, this is a great joke. It's like they came to Wales. And one of them sailed off into the Irish sea, which I think is fantastic. That there was just I have a whale that needs a rubber, but go ahead. Hey, oh, my grandfather caught Moby Dick for there's a cure for it now. Wait, wait, wait. What did your grandfather do on that? His, his fan dad, it was up Carpenter. And I think he kind of, they kind of helped out, and I think in the, in the framing of the whales. I love that. Yeah. That's cool. Wait, I want to ask about Kerry. And I want to know like, did you meet each other? Because I'm an idiot. I don't know. Did you meet four Americans are on the set and how did that go? And when did you know the sparks flow? Just one question at a time. We did. Because I get easily confused. Because I love Kerry. I love Kerry. So do I. We met quite a few years before the Americans. In Rustic Canyon at a kickball party, the Jennifer Gray hosted. And I had no idea what kickball was. Boy, all of that adds up, by the way. Yes. Yes. How I just ambled through life, bumping into the furniture and ending up going, how did I get here? How did this happen? And we were, we were the last two to leave. We're in the parking lot. And I was trying to open a bottle of beer for her with a key and failing. And I asked for her number then. And then, and that was, and that was all I can remember. She was moving. She was moving to New York the two days after that on the Tuesday, it was a Sunday. And that's all I saw remember. And then the road to the Americans was a long, crazy one. And then on the first day of fight training, I said to Kerry, I said, we've met, we've met before actually. And she was like, no, no, we definitely have. I've said it'd been years. He's been years at this point. And I said, yeah, yeah, we met before we met at a kickball party in Rustic Canyon. She went, I know who you are. And you left me a message on my answering machine, a very drunken message. And I went, oh, did I, did I, I'm so sorry, I had no memory of leaving a long rambling incoherent drunken message, which is probably what you think. No way, did you really? Wait, can I, can I be a super moron? Are you guys together? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait, did you, so you got together, you started, what are we going to bring up that they're just good friends? No, because they were together on the Americans for six years. That's what I'm saying. That's why I was asked. But then, but during that, you guys fell in love, got married, had a kid. We did. Yeah. But I want to know what happened. So she goes, okay, now I remember you. And then what? And then it was, it was just a very, it was a very slow burn. The first season, you know, you know, I think we both don't be sworn off to that thing. We're going to go, I'm not going to do what everyone tells us never to do. I'm not going to do that. And then, but the beginning of the second season, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, yeah. Oh, wait, it's okay. So now we're the producer, did the producers take each of you aside individually and say, hey, this is what you're dealing with an asset here, okay? Everyone has jobs. If you guys go south, we have to shut the show down. Was it, were there conversations? No, no, they were very gracious about it. Because I've had friends, I know, I've had friends who, you know, who've had that conversation to sit down from the producers going, look, we've all been down here before. You guys are in your mid 30s now. You know, you know, you're not 22. Right off the cuff. And they were very, yeah, they were very kind of gracious about it. You know, do you know the TV director, Tommy Schlame? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Schlame was directing the beginning of the second season. And he has that kind of beautiful voice, but Kerry and I were having a, we're doing a sex scene. And Schlame just goes, these two have been naked together before. That never just was like cold out. Oh, really? So at that point, no one knew, but he could tell. He could tell them. And then there's the longest stories of how we got found out, which was just we've got time. Well, Kerry got broken into. I was in the, I was in the house at the time. And the, and the robbers kind of grabbed my backpack, shoved it full of stuff. You're in the house alone during a home invasion. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so here's the other thing is it's early day. And this is, this is just a testament to my object stupidity. But with the early days of our, of our relationship. And she wakes me up. She says, there's someone in the house. And I go, no, there's not, and then I just heard this voice. Oh, and I remember, and I remember thinking in any logical moment, you'd go, let's lock ourselves in the bathroom, call 911. And for some stupid reason, because it was very early days, I thought, what I do next, right? She will judge me on for the rest of our lives. Have you said, what's that film? Force mature. Force mature. Yeah. But the Abelans comes and he just runs. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. I swear to God. I was like, if I suggest to go into the bathroom, call 911, will she think me a coward? Right. Your relationship's over. Yes. I had all these weird things going to my hand. So what did I do? She had a, she had a working fireplace in the, in the, in the bedroom. So I picked up the poker. Sure. And with not a stitch on me, I walked out to meet my fate. No. And we'll be right back after these messages. Okay. So now we're back. So now we're back. So now you're, now, now, now, so after eight months of treatment, yes, I was fine. No, I'm kidding. So, so did you, face to face with this fella? No, because what I did was, I think, what most people do is you turn the light off, light on and they run straight away. Yeah. So I heard them kind of run and they ran out the front door. - Awesome. - I know, I know. - Jesus. - So you do this and now Kerry thinks that you're her hero. - I wouldn't go that far. - Or did she think you were stupid for just-- - Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah. - She was locked in the bathroom. - Yeah, calling I'm waiting for you. - Yeah, then seven cops turn up and they start, they clock her and they're like looking, they love no idea who I am, but they're looking at her. And then all of a sudden the DA will like, they catch them and the DA said, oh, I tell you what, we would love to return your belongings on set with a photographer to Kerry, if that's okay. And she's like, she wasn't viled about the idea. Try to put it on. No, no, no, because the DA was retiring that year, wanted kind of a hero ending. So the N.Y.P.D. come on set with a photographer and then they're holding up my bag. And you need one of the young PAs when, wait, that's not Kerry's bag, that's Matthew's bag. And as I'm running, trying to go, "Shut the fuck off." (laughing) And that's how the crew kind of found out. - No, wow, wow. - Wow, wow, wow. - So arbitrary, that's crazy. - There was a lot to go through just for the big reveal. - Wow, that's kind of cool. - So then this guy managed to grab a few things before he went running. - He did, he did, he did. And when I saw the picture of him when he was arrested, I said, oh, I said, look, there's a picture of the guy in court and I said, look, he's been cuffed by two little tiny cops. And she said, they're not tiny. And I saw this, oh my, and I saw the size of him. He could have turned me into a kebab without poker and don't know what he wanted. I wouldn't have had that. - Now, did you have any sort of war cry as you turned on the light? Was there any sort of, get the heck out of you? - No, you're going, "Hey, bear, hey, bear!" (laughing) - You know, was there any of that? - No, no, as much as I have a poker. - Yeah, yeah, as much as I love that moment and gladiator and all the keels kind of attack the Romans. And I always think, you know, if it came to it, that's how I'd react. I was not, I couldn't move my legs. - Oh my god. - Don't make me come down there. - Yes, I'm, I'm classically trained, you know, I'm done fencing. - Totally naked. - Yes, let's just, let's get this going. - Yeah. - And we will be right back. And now, back to the show. - All right, so you and Carrie have a child at a boy or a girl? - He's a boy, he's a boy. Carrie has two older ones, and there's three, you know, there's three in the house throughout number us. - And what are the ages of all three? - 15, 11, and six. - 15, 11, and six. Then the 15 and 11 are boy girl? - A boy girl, so it goes boy girl boy. - Boy girl boy. - Yeah. - And how are you liking being a dad? - I love it. - You love it? - I do love it. It's the madness that I love. It's when it's, and it's most kind of, the smallest of herks you, but when it's catastrophic, it's brilliant. - Yeah. - When those mornings when the wheels so royally come off, that's when I can sit back and go, oh, this is, this is just brilliant. - Who's the more patient one with all of the chaos? Is it you or her? - Her. - Her. - Yeah. - Chaos I'm fine with, but man is like, rudeness I don't tolerate. That's when I-- - No, me neither. - Yeah. - That's what I can, how old are yours now, Jason? - I got 16 and 11, two girls. - Oh, wow. - Yeah. And I'm totally permissive and the guy that plays around, and I don't have to really be the disciplinary, but if it's the rudeness, if it's stuff like that, and I just like the switch gets thrown. - Yes. - Yeah, so you can choose my moments. - Yeah, the chaos is great. Yeah. - rudeness I have. - Yeah, we've got four, we've got 1412, and then my partner, she's a five-year-old, and then we have an almost three-year-old. - Oh. - All boys. - All boys. - No way. - Yeah. - You've almost got the hockey team. - Almost got the team, and it's a fuck, and it is sometimes it is absolute just abject chaos. Like just-- - How do you like it? - I love it. - The chaos. - It's great. Yeah, I love it. I don't know, I just wouldn't have it any other way. I embrace it, it's fun. Same thing, they're all nice kids, and everybody has good manners and stuff. That's one of the things, but I love it, man. I love it when it just gets absolute. Sometimes when you get into the witching hour, sort of near bedtime, it gets fucking bonkers. - Yeah. How about the complications Matthew of travel and stuff? Since you guys are both very active in your careers, and your kids are now deeply entrenched in school, and having that sort of social and academic continuity, like you can't really pick them up, and take them places with you as much as you want. I'll bet, right? How do you guys manage that? Is it easy or tough? - It is tough. I mean, we try and live by this ridiculous rule, where one of us works, one of us doesn't, and the kids stay at school, but it's just-- - That never works out, right? Because what if somebody gets a great, great call, and you just can't say no, but this is your turn, and you know. - Yeah, this is what happened last year, and grandma came in and the kids ate sugar for six hours. They, they, they loved, they loved it. - I think that my sort of view on it always is, is that is that you have this idea of how you want it to go. So you say like, one of us gonna work one of us, not whatever that thing is, and you try to set those parameters, and you try to get as close to it as you can. And you have to be flexible and allow yourself to, you know, that there are gonna be moments when it's just pure chaos. - Yes. And the truth is, kids are so incredibly resilient, like they don't know any different, you know. I grew up in a house where my mom was a stewardess for Pan Am, or flight attendants. She was gone two weeks of every month. It was just normal to me, you know, just had my mom half the time. And that was just normal. - Yeah. - I had my dad, all right. So, Matthew's gonna love this story. - No, no, yeah, go. - So it starts with a Chevy Pontiac, the engine turning on. - Yeah, and it ends with a peel out, yeah, just a peel out. And, and a real, and a sort of a distant kind of, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, yo. (laughing) - This one isn't true, is it? - Yeah, it's true, my dad left him, that's five. - And he left his mom to keep an eye on all of them. (laughing) And I stress, and-- - His mother has what I. - And I stress, and I. - Matthew, it's, it's brilliantly tragic. - You have to laugh. - Oh, yeah, anyway, we have to do it. - We have to laugh at her misfortunes, because-- - But wait, I'm gonna ask you a weird question, only because you're wearing a black t-shirt. - Yeah. - And I've seen a lot of photos of you and stuff, like where you seem very, you seem very kind of fat, like you're in the fashion when you have to be, like I know nothing, like I'm terrible. But like, you're probably like Will, you're probably like Will where you're like, I like to look good when I even go to the store, I like to look good when I go out in public. Like, is that, it seems like a lot of effort. - Oh, no, no, if you truly knew me, it's, I can't even say the other day, 'cause I have, I have, I have these beaten up carhards, and I wear, I'll usually just the same black t-shirt every day, and in case like, you've got to change for the school run, you've worn the same thing for, it's now, it's now months. And my carhards are really beaten up, and there was this, there was this, what's cards? - Carhards, sorry, it's a brand, clothing brand. - It's like, we're all like, the carpenters carhards, yeah, all the carpenters wear them and the real worker guys, and I wear them into the ground, so they look so terrible, that there was, I was standing in school pickup in line, and this mug, I looked at my trousers and said, "What, what is it you do?" And I went, I went, "Oh, I'm actually an actor." And she went, "Oh, oh, it's like, almost like, "Why are you masquerading as someone who works for a living?" - Well, you have your uniform. - Well, it's like, Jason always gets the question when they see him, they always say, "What, what, what times your tea time?" - Right, isn't it? - Yeah, the question gets both of them. - Well, I wear this little outfit, it's clear. You know, you know, I do get a lot, we know I do get a lot, is, do you color your hair, and now recently, 'cause of this film where I play in a guy in 1985, they think it's a wig, just a full-blown wig, that I'm wearing, yeah. - I'm looking forward to that, I admit that. - There's no one thinks that my hair is the right, is the real color, and it's just-- - 'Cause in your 70s, like you are, it's not believable that a 70-year-old would not-- - I have to admit that there have been, I've had a few people in the last year who have asked me, Jason, if you color my hair. - Yeah, same. - I tell everyone that you color your hair. - That's what it is, huh? - Yes, son of a bitch. - It was, it was, yeah, it was during that moment. Do you remember, I don't know if you remember this, in the Golden Globes, that I said, this is son, perversely pretentious, but it still makes me laugh. That kind of green, the virtual green room, if you remember, is you, the Bob Odenkirk, Josh O'Connor, and then we were all waiting for Al Pacino to kind of pop up. Do you remember, into the virtual green room? We're all waiting, and then he pops up, 'cause we're all at home doing the pandemic, and he looks like a Bond villain, 'cause he has like a small dog in his lap. Are we telling him that he's just joking it? - Yes. And we all sort of say, we all go, hi, hello. - Hello. - Hi, hi, hi. And then this silence, and then we kind of do a second round while I go, hello, hi, no, nothing. And then I think you said, I don't think he can hear us. And then Pacino just goes, oh, I can hear you. - Oh, boy. - Yeah. - We all went, oh. - Just doesn't want to do the group high. - And then he said, I think he call this his head. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, there's Sky, oh, oh, there's Conor. - Holly. - Oh. - Hey, so, what's the problem with you? - Yeah, quick question for Jason. - Why is the emblem, why is the person holding an umbrella? What is that? But this is some silly golf letter poppins. What is that? It actually is a Mary Poppins. This is a, I believe this is an ATT thing, Willie. Yeah. So, the ATT? Yeah. This is one of the. From that swag room we went into? We have a smartless golf stuff coming out too. I love it. Let's take the opportunity to do a merch tie and show it to a smart thing. Matthew, can you commit right now to wearing a smartless golf merch on the school run? My entire closet is mainly made up of clothes I've stolen from jobs. I jump by, I think. Well, we're going to send you some smartless golf swag, just like some, some, uh, plus fours, right? For the golf ads. Oh, yeah. You can wear that, you know? Yeah. You know? We were, we were listening, oh, I do want to say, your show gives us so much joy and we were listening. Yes, it does. We were listening to it recently and, well, I think you went to dinner with Sean at J.A. and you and Sean, you were, yeah, I was not invited. Yeah. Well, we, we brought that up in the car. We were like, I wasn't chasing. Yeah. Yeah, I never am. These guys have been all over the world together. Oh, my gosh. Never. I mean, they've been to Turkey. They've been to where else guys? Yeah, we have. Where's your passport? It's been stamped. Benicidly, right? Benicidly, yeah. Benicidly, yeah. You guys play golf every day. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. That's different. Oh, yeah. So, so you did say that you were wearing uggs. Well, this kind of slipper uggs for dinner. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. And she went, they live in L.A. Right. Yeah. Sean, that was you wearing the comfy shoes? Yes. He's been doing it for years. Who looks at your shoes? Nobody looks at your shoes. I would. And then I would choose the never come to dinner with you again. Gobblers around the world. Gobblers. Listen. So Matthew. So now recently in the last couple of years, you've partnered with our, with our, our good friend, Mr. Downey Jr. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Perry Mason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Talk to us a little bit about that. First of all, how that came about. And what an absolute terror. He is as an executive producer. Oh, this down here. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a screamer. He strikes people. Yes. Yes. With a glove. Sometimes put a metal symbol in it. Just for the little. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Christ, he's here. He's here. He speaks so highly. How did that come? How did he? He loves you. Yeah, he does. He really does. Robert loves you. Robert loves you. And, and, and, and, and Susan as well. Susan does not like. She does. Well. Yeah. The great Susan. The brains of that duo. If I win beneath the wings and the brain in the head. Yeah. How did that come into, into your sort of, into your world? Yeah. The, the Perry Mason project. I mean, I'm trying to think what, what year was now? Because it was, it was a, it was a while back. Probably three, four years ago, man. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, and I. I always, and this is what. This is how my brain works. When, when my manager calls and he goes. You know, team down. He want to talk to you about, um, a reboot of Perry Mason. My first question was like, who, who's turned it down? Who's turned it down? Right. Why does the robber want to do it? Yes. And I think he did. I think that was the whole point. Yeah. The robber was, was supposed to do it. And, and he took them on with 10 years of development. And it went through many, many, many guises of a TV film, a series. And I just think it, Rob, it never quite got there. Yeah. Um, so yeah, they reached out for, for, for a meeting, which I was terrified of. And the brilliant Mr. Van Patten, um, directed that. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, I love that their, their, their company is called Team Downey, which is always fun to me. I think that's a great company name. It's, it's, it's always been jealous of that. Um, but I don't want Robert. I would have called it Touch Downey. Yeah. Oh, that's good. That's not good too. It's fun. Yeah. It's just like I'm looking to call, rename mind master Bateman, um, but he will not, has not cleared. So Robert, so, so, so team down. So team downey reaches out and you go and you meet with these guys and you're like. You're like, uh, uh, did you know that it was going to become this, like, what was your first thought of it? When you, were you like excited, were you sort of skeptical? Were you? I mean, I was, I was, I was slightly skeptical because I have, like, did you develop it with them? Or was it a script? Well, you're also carrying a bunch of pedigree out of the Americans, one of the Americans. The Americans and brothers and sisters that you did for five years with our, with our old buddy, Robbie Bates, my old friend. You did not want it to suck. No, no, but, but that was never in doubt because, you know, I think when you saw team downey, you know, um, the writers on it, Tim Van Patten, HBO, it was, it kind of, it was straight to, I wasn't concerned that it wouldn't, wouldn't be of a certain caliber. If any, if anything, like, you know, it's all, I usually stems from my own insecurities. Well, you know, how, how I can turn it into a catastrophe more than anything else. But I was very excited. I loved it. It was pictures of one off and they were like, look, we just want to do the origin story and that will be it. And then, you know, halfway through, they were like, you know, this, this, it works pretty good. It looks good. We should, we should think about doing this, you know, we should think about doing more of this. I do, I did have that small reservation when I've done what I kind of, you know, Paymes is sort of weird. Well, it was in the UK, it was huge. And, and here also, there is a certain generation of an age group up. That kind of goal. No, no, you can't, you can't touch Mason, but, you know, the enough to leave that alone. And then a ton of people have no recollection of the show whatsoever. And that's what Susan said. She said, look, there's, there's an entire, there are swathes of generations ready for a new Paymes. Yeah, we can do, we can make it whatever we want. And where did you, where did you guys shoot that? In LA, they went back to the origin story in the books, which was 1930's LA, which to me was, you know, with Chinatown and everything else was such, was so alluring. And, and as a kid growing up watching old movies, I was like, oh my God, I get to wear a fedora in LA. And you do an American accent? Yeah, yeah. You get to wear a fedora in LA, like everybody else in Venice, right? Yeah, or Los Felos, yeah. As an actor, is the American accent a tough thing to do? And do you have like a phrase that clicks you right into the typical American sound? It's sort of like a shortcut for you? No, there's no real short. It's still, it's still a, it's still a huge, it's like a, I say block, like hamburger. I went up to one of the writers early on in, in Perry Mason, I said, is there any chance we can change like murderer to killer? And he's like, you do realize you've signed on for Perry Mason? You're going to be saying murder a lot. And I was like, yeah, I hadn't quite thought that one through that. It's a bit of an Achilles heel for me that way. I always sound like that's a tough word to say. Yeah, like your batteries run out halfway through, it's called murderer. Murderer. What about suspect? Suspect would be great. Right, because the British accent would put an A-H on a murderer. Yeah. Murderer. Murderer. Yeah. By the way, if you're going to live in America, you got to learn how to say murderer. I mean, sorry. She's so true. Yeah. You're going to say the most Jesus Christ. Well, I mean, now, so now you've got the second season of Perry Mason coming out, which is fantastic. Would you never thought you'd do? No. And that was delayed a bit, yeah, with COVID perhaps? Usually delayed because two's into it, you know, Dechen, we went, no, we're going to wait. We're not going to, we're not going to shrink the show and make a smaller show of the first one. We'll wait until we can make the same big show with hundreds of supporting artists and do it right. Because there's a lot of background players in a lot of crowd scenes. It's a massive production. Oh my God. It's a beast. There are those days I turn up on set and I go, I don't even know how this works. My brother, my brother-in-law was a tank commander of the British Army for most of his life. And he said it's all, it's like, if you think about the logistics, they have to do it insane. But he came on set one day and he went, how does this work? Right. And he was just so shocked. He goes, what amazes me, he said, what amazes me is that so many components have to come together in one tiny moment and be quiet. He said he was. Yeah. It's sort of staggered him. And he's like, he was like amazed. The cool sheets and everything. It is. It's true. When you watch, when you go to a, when you go to a big film television set and you watch all these people who are at the top of their game. And they're seeing it, like you said, coming together in that moment where it is going to be silent and everything's going to be great and you see it pulled off. Sometimes it has the timing of something that has to happen in the shot. Whatever it is, it is pretty amazing to watch how good these people are at what they do. Yeah. And filming, filming in New York, which we obviously did in the Americans. It's staggering that they get away with what they do in the kind of, like, location department should be given flak jackets these days. For the amount of abuse they just get from people who wanted to park drive down the street or, you know, enter. Yeah. But how many times have you had there when you're shooting in New York on the street and then somebody, it's like pretty good. And then like somewhere in the take, you just hear somebody out leaning out of window going, I want to be in the fucking movie. All right. All right, let's go again. If it says exterior night in the Americans, you know you're looping it. You know you're ADRing it because you know there's someone shouting along the line. There was this one time in Harlem, I was doing a scene. And it was like eight guys, because I had to shout the scene. Eight guys were shouting the exact same words along with me. Because they've heard it so many times. Yeah. Yeah. Matthew, we have taken up so much of your time. Yeah, just what a pleasure. This has been a treat ever. Yeah, yeah. You're one of us. You're one of us. [BLANK_AUDIO] - What about us? - This has been a real treat. Sure, I can't wait to see the show. We're all coming to see it. We're very excited about it. - Oh, that's so nice. Thank you. - Yeah. - How are previews going? - Really well, really exhausting. But thank you for asking. I walked down the street one day, today walked down the street to go get my little sandwich, my eggs sandwich. - And a Kaiser roll. - And a Kaiser roll. And this woman, this woman stopped me. She was really sweet, but this is how much energy was in her voice. She grabbed my eyes. She goes, "I saw your show last night." I go, "Yeah, thank you for coming." She goes, "This is really good." And she just hit that again. (laughing) - I love New York. (laughing) I'm defeated. And that's it. I was like, "Yeah." She was great. - Last time I did a play, I was walking from the theater and this woman just shouted, "You're an asshole." And I just went, "I hope you saw the show." (laughing) That's not personal. - Matthew, well, when we come to New York, I hope that we can grab a meal. You mean here, and maybe one of these ding-dongs as well. - That would be, let's go. - Yes, please. - Get Sean and Scotty and J.B. We'll do it up. That'll be great to see you, man. - Thank you for having me. This has been such a great time. - Thank you, man. And send all of our love to Kerry. - You will. - We adore her as well. And we adore you. You are, as Sean said, you're one of us. It's been such a pleasure, buddy. And I'm in huge success. Perry Mason comes out. What's the release, it's-- - It's out now, it's out now. - It's out now, it's out now. - It's out at nine. - Yeah. - Monday night's at nine. There we go. - It's pure max, yeah. - It's the ilk of people that I attract, you know what I mean? It's just like finding people, birds of a feather. - Yeah, it's charming. It knows that it carry on a conversation. - Yeah, I know. I'm always impressed with guys like that who are just so relaxed. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like. - He's confident, you know? - He's comfortable. - He's comfortable. - He's got his uniform. He has black t-shirt and his shirt. - You know, like you guys. He doesn't have an axe to grind. You know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah. - There's something to prove all the time. - Speaking of which. - Where's the cocaine bear? What's he fixing now? - He's fixing something. - Scotty, what are you making? What kind of sandwich? - Oh, yeah, it Turks. You had a Turks sandwich. - Oh, a Turks sandwich. What percentage of the day? Hang on, what percentage of the day when you yell out? Hey, Scotty, what are you doing? Is the answer I'm making a sandwich? - Well, usually it's for me. - No, it's for me. - That's what I mean. - So what do we got on the turkeys? How do you like your Turkish sandwich, Sean? - I ordered one yet. I had one yesterday for lunch. It was a turkey avocado lettuce and extra extra extra mayo. - Oh. - And are we toasting the bread? - No. - Really? How about a light toast? - It's just like a real soft thing there. - Do you literally say extra extra extra mayo? - Yes, I always do, because they never put enough on it. - You know what I like? - I like it when you get one of those like a sort of like an Italian, you know what I mean? With like the different cuts of meat, some cold cuts. - Yeah. - The lettuce tomato gets into the Brooklyn. - So oil and vinegar get a little salt, pepper and nice. - You know, but by the way, remind me of the thing, but they're wearing the hats all around. I remember, um, remember Thoreau went through a long phase. He was always wearing like hats and little pork pie hats and fedoras and stuff. And I remember Polar, Polar said, "Do one day you look fedorable." And that's good. - That's good. - Really good one. - Yeah. - Hey, what kind of hat do I have on today? - You got one of the smart list merch hats. - That's right, we got one. - We get one of those. - Sorry to interrupt guys. It looks like Carrie Russell's entering the waiting room. She might just want to say hi. - Put her on. Put her on. Put her on. Put her on. Put her on. We're going to air it. - There she is. - If you can hear us, hello. - We'll have to have her on. - I will tell the boys. They can't hear you right now because they're on the other system. - You were, you were fantastic. - Thank you. Bye. Okay. Thanks for everything. Really appreciate it. Well done. - I love that we just had a quick visual visit from Carrie Russell and Anne. - Right. - We couldn't hear her, but we got to see her and she was there. She's probably with the kids, right, John? - Yes, she was probably with it. It's about time for pickup. - Yeah, it's probably for now. - Or for now for her kids, which she would then sing. What would she sing to them if she was going to put her kids to bed? - She would probably sing like, rock, come on. Jason hates when we go up. - He just, he just pinches that voice off. Hey, bye. - Bye. - Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. - Smartless is 100% organic and artisanally handcrafted by Michael Grant Terry, Rob Armjarve, and Bennett Barbergo. - Smart. Last.