Rams QB Matthew Stafford! CFB NIL Taking NFL Players w/ Max Olson. Plus, Enes Kanter Isn’t Some Hero.

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One non-withdrawable reward redeemable. Terms at dkng.co slash offer. Limited time offer. Nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Varies by state. Matthew Stafford of the L.A. Rams joins us on the show. Okay, man. Last year, and you probably say this about a couple years, but I remember like reading previews and a lot of it was like, well, if Stafford can hold up and then you win the MVP. So it feels like that happens a lot in the preseason. Previews for the Rams. So that happens last year. How do you feel this year in comparison to going into 25? Definitely a lot more reps under my belt. You know, I didn't really practice last year until after the third preseason game. Snuck a couple practices in really before week one and was able to, you know, practice really from the start of training camp this year. Now it was a little bit of a limited practice schedule just to try to keep myself fresh. But to be honest with you, you kind of lucked into that last year realizing that, hey, I may not need to do this. I might need, you know, every single rep of every single practice to feel prepared and ready to go for the season and still have my body feel good. But at the moment, feel great, excited, you know, to get a bunch of work under my belt and get this thing rolling. Last season, you know, you guys are loaded. It feels great. You've loaded up this offseason. To be that close to Seattle and to see what they do, is that worse than going like 6-10 back in the day? Yeah, I think so. You know, I'll say this. It's not worse in the grand scheme. In the grand scheme of things, it's tougher in that moment. You know, tougher in that moment knowing how close you were to getting a chance to play for, you know, a world championship in this sport. But I still have a lot of, you know, great memories, a lot of respect for the group that we had last year, what we went and accomplished. I don't think people had us, you know, going all the way to the NFC Championship at the start of last year, especially when my back was feeling the way it was and we had some new pieces and some new spots. So proud of the work that we did last year and looking forward to, you know, a whole new group as it is every single season, going out and trying to accomplish something great again. Did you watch the Super Bowl? I did. I did watch it. You know, it was tough, but at the same time, I wanted to see, you know, what it was going to shake out like and it shook out kind of how I thought it might. Do you think L.A. extended your career? I don't think it. I know it. You know, I think there's no question in my mind. You know, getting out here, getting it sometimes you just need a change of scenery, but I lucked into a change of scenery, a great coach, a great organization, a bunch of great players around me. A lot of things, you know, have happened right for me since we moved out here. So I'm really appreciative of the opportunity. And frankly, you know, I'm proud of watching what Detroit has done as well, you know, and how good of a job Coach Campbell's done in getting those guys turned around and Jared's doing a hell of a job over there too. So I'm proud of that. But at the same time, yeah, I mean, there's no question. I was at a low point. Just emotionally kind of about the game and about, you know, playing, you know, in 2020 and then, you know, being able to move out here in 21 and do what we were able to do is something that definitely extended my career. Did you ever have a moment where you were like, this is it, I'm done? Like you woke up one day and said, I just don't want to do this anymore? Not all the way there, no. But there are times where, you know, I know in 2022, I had some just elbow stuff. Really, I battled it all of 2021. I was sort of wearing that sleeve because I had tape and all sorts of stuff. Stuff under there trying to hold this thing together and battled through it in 2022 in a really tough way. And just to the point where every time I threw the ball, it wasn't, didn't feel good, wasn't fun. And that's a tough way to go to work, right? And do that every day. Luckily, I spent a bunch of time and a bunch of effort just trying to get that thing to feel better. And it feels great now, as good as it ever has. So knock on wood, that keeps going. But yeah, there's really the injury stuff is the things that makes me feel that way. You know, just tough to not be out there when you want to be out there. I've thought about how I want to ask this question because I know I've talked to you about it one other time. And it is kind of just the way we talk about quarterbacks, right? And I don't think you're being diplomatic when you talk about your time in Detroit as if it's not genuine, because I know how genuine it is. I know this is why your teammates always love you so much. But again, it's somebody from the outside that would talk about you guys every single day. And it's like, okay, Detroit isn't getting it done. And they're like, okay, what's the problem with Stafford? And then I know that you were like, look, I don't worry about that kind of stuff. But I don't know. But is there ever a moment, like a full circle moment for you as you run through almost two decades of playing the sport where you're like, I'm not necessarily even better. I may have been physically better back then. But just the way that you're talked about and appreciated now, despite maybe being the same player just because of the team success. Yeah, I mean, I think I'm with you on that. You know, I think in the fact that, and that's probably why I don't think about it. You know, because you sit there and rack your brain and go, man, you know, am I this good? Am I not bad? Or, you know, what's going on here or there? And it's like, hey, I can control what I can control. And that's just getting up every single day, trying to be as good a player as I can be. But football's a team sport. And there's no question about that. And there's guys that have been really great players that haven't accomplished some of the things that I've been lucky enough to accomplish as a team. You know, whether that's winning a world championship. And frankly, an MVP trophy is a huge team award, especially for a guy like me that's not running around creating. So like, that goes to me, but it also is a huge part of my teammates and the guys that I work with every single day. So yeah, I mean, I understand that narrative. I really don't pay too much attention to it because I'd probably be like everybody else and go back and forth and think this and think that. And so I just go, hey, man, I'm just going to be the best person I can be every single day. You know, I know that in some arenas and when people talk about it in some different ways, it's probably validating, you know, what I've been able to do here. And there's probably a handful of people who sit there and go, you know, he's still the shitty guy that was floating around in Detroit. So, you know, I got to take each one. I don't know anybody saying that. And I think there's like, it's a great perspective for you to have because you've won and you've had the individual success. You guys are gearing up here again. So, you know, who knows how 26 goes. So maybe it allows you to not care about it as if you had gone somewhere else and it was like, okay, they never even, they never even got to a conference championship game. Because I guess, like I'm consistently frustrated with trying to figure out what you guys are doing right and what you're doing wrong. You know, and it's not as simple as how many touchdowns and interceptions. It's not as simple, especially completion percentage now. Like that doesn't even remotely matter. And I just remember the days where I'd be at ESPN and we'd have an ex-player and come in studio and, you know, you might have 300 yards in a game and I'd be like, hey, it's something. And it was almost like everyone, the rule is we have to say something's wrong with you or you're not winning at that position. And that's something where I think there's just a group that gets thrown in this middle and they may not be any different. And you're not in the middle. And I didn't think you were in the middle back then. But it's just this, we have a very hard time going like, maybe this guy's actually still special, but it just isn't working around him. Or maybe that's my Chris Paul argument. So no, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, it's just, it's, you know, in my opinion and other people's as well. I mean, it's one, of, if not the toughest position to play in sports. And I think it's just as hard to sit there and analyze and say hey hey why does the guy work in a certain place not work in another place why does he um you know have these great stats and maybe the team's not winning i mean those things are tough to quantify and tough to understand and and these guys that have amazing college careers and come out and you know frankly don't do uh you know don't do well in the pros and then guys who are drafted super late that have great pro careers you just never know and and so so much of life in this sport is timing and circumstance and and growth and the ability to overcome tough things and all that and uh i do think we're quick to judge guys um you know and and try to place them in a box right whether that's elite good you know not worth it anymore or whatever and and um i know that i have continuously gotten better as i've played from a mental aspect and understanding and so if you can weather some of those storms along the way i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure you'll be able to do that and i'm sure continue to keep your physical tools as sharp as you can and learn how to play this game and play it at a higher level and you can still do it uh you know when you're long in a tooth 165 games of detroit what was left for you to learn and maybe the better way to ask is what have you learned from mcveigh that you didn't know i mean a lot of football you know i mean a lot of football and i think just being challenged in ways that i always knew i could handle but just frankly wasn't when i was in detroit um and maybe i wasn't ready for some of those things and i felt like um you know i was ready for that challenge ready for it mentally physically i mean some of the things that i was asked to do both on the grass and in the classroom getting ready to play were things that i hadn't been asked to do in in previous years but uh have loved every minute of it have enjoyed it and thrived in it so really appreciative or appreciative of it and frankly you know uh a lot of success and and how how to handle that you know and how to continue to push forward and realize that what we do is just this journey right it's just this process of wake up you know fulfill the day's uh you know necessities at a high level do it as best you can every single day and then really having a uh you know not worrying about the results as much as you do the process and if you do that uh you know good things happen for you stack good days and i know that sounds cliche but it's something that in the midst of learning how to be a pro and be a better player and a better person a better player and a better teammate you know that that comes with experience so i was looking up some of this stuff this morning i think in 21 you led the nfl in empty sets and then i think now you lead the nfl under center and then i was listening to you with our guy greg olson who we all love and you were talking about 13 personnel which was like everybody's favorite like football nerd thing be like man look at all their 13 personnel and you say to greg in 24 0 13 personnel and then it was just tight end fest last year how much of that is you and mcveigh and your offensive coaches nerding out on just trying to figure out ways to stay steps ahead of the defense i mean it's a lot of it you know it's a lot of that and it's a lot of um problem solving too you know some of that stuff comes with uh you know injuries that might happen you know we we really weren't even in a whole lot of 13 personnel and then we lose puka before the game in london and jacksonville um and then we lose tutu in the not that many guys left here's this big bucket of plays that we had thought we might could uh you know run out of 13 12 some of those sets and then we just kind of developed and and got better and better with it understood how to uh you know attack and and then i say this all the time i say it to greg i say it to everybody i mean like it's great that we trot three tight ends out there sometimes but like if we didn't have three great players at tight end it wouldn't matter right if we had three slugs running around that couldn't get open or three guys that couldn't block and it wouldn't it wouldn't matter so we have really talented tight ends so why not put them out on the field let them go do their thing and so um that's part of it but yeah i mean it's a really cool chess match it's something that i love coming into work every single week understanding hey how are we gonna you know figure this one out and and find a way to put ourselves in the best possibility or possible uh you know chance to succeed and we do it every single week and give it our best shot how hard is that it's difficult um you know there's a lot of moving parts a lot of things like i said that i'm challenged with every single week and i'm not going to be able to do it every single week to um can we like dig in a deep like i'm not trying to be like difficult but it's it's i think it's for a lot of us that don't understand like we know it's hard you can't be the same every week but i'm i'm just trying to figure out like the best way to explain it to some of us that haven't played the position of like how hard that is of all these moving parts blocking and everybody's going to figure out their routes because you're basically like game planning week to week in a way i don't think a lot of offenses do yeah you know i think um being here there's more attention to detail with what is going on of all 22 moving parts um you know both 11 guys on offense 11 guys on defense there's more attention to detail here than anywhere i've ever been or been exposed to and you have to be smart to be able to play in this offense because it is multiple it changes um you know week in and week out in a we may run a run play a certain week versus a certain look and it might be need to get changed to a pass or a different run versus this look and that next week based on maybe what backside tackle's doing or what the backside defensive end is doing hey now we're okay to run it versus that look but if we get this look we got to change it so our rules is a quarterback change you know week in and week out and so there's there's just a lot of moving parts we're moving players into positions to be successful hey do we want this guy to run that route or that guy and then this week we want to do it a different way and hide it um and there's just constant evolution and motivation to try and get our guys in great spots and then ultimately you know have us have a bunch of clarity to go out there and play fast but still be you know a step ahead your teammates love you uh we had whitworth on and he was almost crying like talking about you why do you think that is i i don't know i i i have the same feeling towards them um you know i think it's a tough one it's a tough one to be like because i'm awesome man yeah right yeah right no i i don't know um i would hope that most of the guys that i've played with a respect the way i go and the way that i um you know work for us as a as a team and as an individual to try to be as good as i can but i also hope that they go man he's just like one of the guys like when you see him in the hallway or we're out on the field um yeah he's leading us he's motivating us he's pushing us and trying to put us in the best position but at the same time i walk into the cafeteria and i'm just like everybody else and i think that's what's most comfortable to me that is not something that i'm trying to do that's just what's comfortable to me what's uncomfortable to me is practice and hearing mvp chance and you know it's supposed to be this guy and i'm like no no no no i just am like oh i just want to go play i want to be out there put the helmet on that's why i love football you put the helmet on nobody can see you and in my mind you know you just go out there and play and so uh that's the way i am that's the way it's comfortable to me and if that resonates with guys then you know i'm just uh appreciative of that i guess i was watching the 2009 browns clip this morning and it's almost like you're so hurt i wonder if it was like less painful because you get cracked on that pass interference call yeah you dislocate your shoulder you're running around you're like shoulder shoulder shoulder and then it looks like you're done and then the browns call the time out so that gives you the chance to get back in and you throw the touchdown would you be able to do that today uh i don't know if i could have done the whole runaround thing anymore you know to be honest but uh i don't know i was a little thicker back in i don't know if i would have survived the same hit right now but um hopefully i'm i'm i'm assuming that we wouldn't be in those situations as much as we were in the 2009 season but i like to think that i would still try and get up and go you know throw one uh one last pass for the fellas um i'm just glad we completed how shitty would have been if we just dirt it and nothing happened so it was uh it was a cool uh a cool experience obviously a tough one um cj mo or uh never mind i don't want to go there um but uh it's okay that guy the guy that knocks me out ends up being my teammate the next year is like his locker is like two down from mine and he's like my bad man i'm like it's all good made for a good clip but uh it uh it was um it was a cool memory a one that a lot of people still kind of hit me up on yeah it really resonates and i think it like plays into the teammate part of it too because in your sport like going to games i think like the first time i was at an sec game um you know it was late for me because i was working at espn so i was in my early 30s and you're just watching guys crush each other and then i was like standing with a bunch of former players and then they're they're pointing out stuff that i'd never even thought about and their big thing was like you can't you can't let someone help you up like if you're if you're in this spot like you can't get carted off like find a way get up get off the field especially with offensive linemen quarterbacks you know maybe receivers you know hey let's let's give this guy a hand here and i don't know if that would be a good thing for me but i think it would be a good thing for me if i was something that you were conscious of of growing up in this sport of knowing or if it was like hey i'm a rookie i'm gonna prove because i don't think any of it was like calc i think you just were like hey if we have another play and they were dumb enough to call the time out i'm gonna go back out there i don't know if cole pepper was ever upset being like damn it man um but it was it was just something that again we were talking it's almost 20 years later and people still love that clip so much yeah i think when i first came into the nfl it was a different sport um it was a different sport and i think it was a different sport and i think it was a different you know it was gladiator i mean that's what you talked about in the locker room was just we're a bunch of, you know, crazy guys that'll run out there and knock each other's heads off because that was legal. And that's what, that's what happened. And there was so much of, um, you know, so much of that was talked about and it's a little bit different now, right? It's a little bit more of, Hey, schematically, and we still have these unbelievable players that can run and hit and enforce in different ways, but there was a level of warrior mentality, rightly or wrongly, that was there that I don't know is still there. Um, you know, and everybody now is, you know, building a brand and, you know, I want to be this and I want to be that. And there's so much to it and it's great. It's grown the game. It's grown, um, you know, people's popularity outside of the sport and all that. Um, but it was just different back then. And so that was a huge part of it, the pride of being available and being out there no matter what was going on with you. And that's probably a little microcosm of kind of a little picture of what that might look like. Uh, you know, 2009 NFL football. Football was a little bit more like that than it is today. Uh, Aaron Donald seems to be around a lot. Yeah. I, I mean, I don't see him a lot. I hear he's working out a lot. Um, I feel bad for whoever's working out with him because the guy's an absolute monster in the weight room, but, uh, we'll see. I don't know, uh, what the tally is going to be on that thing. I tell people this all the time. I have so much respect for him as a player. Absolutely. But also as a person and the way he's carried himself and what he's been able to accomplish for our team and this organization, that whatever's right for Aaron is right for us. And if that's, Hey, I don't, I don't think I can do it. Hey man, I appreciate it. You know, thanks for everything you always did and then giving it a rip and trying to see if you could do it again. And if the answer is, Hey man, I'm ready to come back and dominate, then shoot, let's go. You know, let's find a way to make this thing working and get back out here. So, um, I know for us as a team, we don't think about it. We don't talk about it much. We're just out there trying to get better. Um, and know that he's doing his thing on the side, trying to find out, you know, how he feels and how he wants to go about it. Did they consult you on Ty Simpson? I talked to Sean about it before the, uh, before the draft, did we have a, uh, breakdown of tape and all that? No. Um, but, um, you know, I've been around long enough. I understand these things and these are the way they go. Um, at the same time, uh, you know, I'm just going to, worry about what I can control and that's just be the best player I can be for as long as I can. I kind of asked that like a dick. Um, and I was, it was very leading. No, but it was, it was leading in that it was like, Oh, you know, but like if you were 30, maybe I would look at it differently. Right. Like, Hey, you know, I remember like Brady going, like, we're taking Kevin O'Connell in the second round. Like, are you serious? You know, but I, I think it makes sense. They're going like, Hey, but man, I even have a window to be up this. So I guess the, the way I really should have been, I would have been, I would have been, I would have asked is like how collaborative it was, but you just answered it anyway. You answered it the way I wanted you to. Um, because I think front office is eventually going to do whatever they want to do anyway. You know, a hundred percent. I mean, listen, I've have a ton of respect and understanding for every decision that they make and look there. Sometimes there are parts of a puzzle that all fit together and, uh, every year is different. And I'm just excited that every time we come out to start a season, I feel like, and sometimes even it's throughout the season, I think back to 2021, we didn't have Odell. We didn't have Vaughn Miller to start, but we found a way to get those guys. This organization has done a, has proven that they are willing to try and get the best players around all of us to go out there and succeed. And, and, uh, happy to have all of them. This is something that I, you touched on a little bit and you would say, Hey, I was a little thicker back then as you've, if you've gotten a little older here, um, it was always funny. Like when Brady keeps playing and then he does this like first shirts off thing. And then everybody was like incredibly disappointed. And you go, well, no, no, no. I'm like, this is the whole point of what Brady's been doing. Like getting jacked is for guys like me. They've never done anything and just try to compensate and Brady's whole pliability thing. And being like, look, it's funny. There's even an article on ESPN now talking about the history of jacked quarterbacks because of Mateer taking his shirt off squatting 500 pounds at Oklahoma. Do you find yourself training differently and going like, this is about pliability. It is about way more stretching. I don't, I don't want to be like jacked up and strong as can be anymore. No question. I mean, I remember doing hang clings with all the guys, the old lineman back when I first got in the NFL and wearing the straps and trying to, you know, throw around as much weight as I could. And, um, I couldn't do that anymore. Number one, but number two, I don't think it's really that beneficial. Um, you know, we were treated, I think when I first got into the league, just as a, you know, we're set up in as like old linemen, skill guys, and then like mid skill guys, that's like the tight ends, backs, quarterbacks, linebackers. I was just like a mid skill guy, you know, it was like, I'm doing the same lift that our linebackers are doing at a lesser weight. And now that we've kind of understood that, Hey, quarterback, like really rotational athlete, we almost train a little bit more like pitchers now, which is way more appropriate than, uh, throwing around a bunch of weight and, you know, trying to see how strong we can possibly get in our upper body. So I'm with you on that. I think it is something that Brady probably popularized more than anybody in any at a ton of success. Um, obviously, which makes it, uh, you know, feel like the right thing to do, but everybody kind of has their own version of that, in my opinion. And I found something that works for me that, uh, you know, our guys here are super collaborative with me and, and, uh, I feel as good as I can at 38. Can't wait for the season, man. Thanks for the time. Yeah. Good to see you, man. Appreciate you. 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Watch week one of the NFL on Netflix starring the Los Angeles Rams versus the San Francisco 49ers live only on Netflix Thursday, September 10th at 835 p.m. Eastern, 535 p.m. We'll be right back. with the Browns. He didn't play. Now he's going to suit up for LSU. So let's try to figure this out. What do you have to kind of get us started to understand this? I mean, unfortunately, I don't have a law degree. So I mean, that would that would be nice in this moment. Wish I could reduce some decisions there. But no, I think Daquan Wright is the headliner now of a small movement of players that are, you know, seriously exploring going back to college after making a run at the Browns. So I think it's a complicated deal. As Tom Duncan said, the shit's pretty crazy. It's also and look, I think for the Cleveland Browns, you know, they just named Deshaun Watson their starter. So they're not having a lot of meetings about what are we going to do about losing Daquan Wright. But in this case, like it's a player who it makes sense on his end of things. He was one of the most productive tight ends in the country last year at Ole Miss. He had a shoulder injury limited in the pre draft stuff goes undrafted goes with the Eagles goes with the Browns. They knew he wasn't going to make the Browns. And so, you know, if Lane Kiffin and LSU are reaching out saying, Hey, we got a chance to, to bring you back here and pay you, you know, a lot of money to come be our tight end or our number two tight end for a player that, you know, is facing a lot of uncertainty here over the next week with cuts and all that. Yeah, it's very appealing. Now, how do we even get here is ultimately a result of the NCAA trying to go to five for five, or they don't call it that. But that's essentially what we're doing here. And, you know, I think, in a lot of ways, that makes sense that I think they need to get out of the business of waivers and registrations. And there's been a lot of manipulation of that, especially with agents here the last few years. But when they decided to roll this out this summer, they intentionally said, we're not going to grandfather in the guys from 2022. And specifically, the guys 2022 who played four years, never used a red shirt, you know, if they if they had known in December, January, that this was an option, then, you know, very likely they would have stayed in school and played a fifth year somewhere and maybe gone on the transfer portal. So they didn't have that option. And so they are filing lawsuits to try to clear up. They're the way to go back to school. And the NCAA is fighting that on a bunch of different fronts. But but ultimately, the one in Louisiana in state court last week, cleared the way for about a dozen of these guys to go in the transfer portal and go make moves. A lot of different directions here. So if we understand the five for five, and if they don't want to call it that, that's fine. Let's just use that. Yeah, to understand five, five years to play five seasons. The retroactive part, like, it's one of these things where I know no one likes to play five seasons. likes the NCAA, but as we're trying to sift through everything that's happened in the last few years, And then you're going, okay, well, this seems pretty straightforward. This seems pretty simple. And if you don't get it done during those five years, like it's time to move on. All right. All right. I think we would all agree with that. And then immediately you're like, okay, well, where are the loopholes? And it feels like, let me expand on that a bit. You have the COVID years, right? You had what used to be a pretty difficult process to force your way out to not sit out a year in the transfer thing. Remember, you used to have to like come up with some stuff. And then the NCAA decided like some of the arguments are being made. We don't even want to fight these publicly. So we're just going to go ahead and concede. So then everybody wasn't even like whatever the appeal process was to be able to transfer immediately. It just felt like the NCAA is like, we don't even want to fight all this stuff. So I'm wondering if we're in this, like, as much as we don't like the headlines, we're like, is this really what's happening to college sports? Are we perhaps just in this window of sifting through all of that stuff to then if we got through this court thing and Daquan and all these other players are eligible. Then in the future, it would actually be a much cleaner process. And we're just dealing with kind of a shrapnel of years of the uncertainty of this. Yeah, I think that's right. I think there's just that this is the consequences that come with if you want to pick a date and say, going forward, we're going to do it this way, then you're going to have previous groups of players say, what about us? I mean, especially when you have just the amount of money that's on the line with NIL now. And for Daquan Wright, I mean, there's no comparison. If you're a practice squad guy this fall versus a guy that, you know, I assume has a chance to make. Probably $700 to $1 million at LSU this season. Like, there's not much to think about in terms of the opportunity at LSU. So yeah, I agree with you. Like, I think part of it is just the NCAA is setting this and then everybody has the right to go challenge it and say, what about us? And, you know, I think for years, you had guys, you're totally right, would come up with all these angles to try to get an extra year and fight for it. And now they're trying to get out of that business. And you talk with coaches, and that's something that they've wanted for quite a while. They wanted to get to five for five. And just be able to have a lot simpler process here. But naturally, there's just going to be a lot of players, you know, if this had been all done in December, January, then a lot of guys just wouldn't have tried to go pro. And so I think that's the situation that Daquan Wright and a small group of these guys are in is just like, you know, you could say, oh, you should have entered the portal and you should have saved and all that stuff. But they didn't know when this rule change was coming down. And so they tried to go to the NFL. And I, you know, I think that is one of the themes of this offseason, though, Ryan. And that is in college football. It's just like. Man, through lawyers, all things are possible. I mean, we've seen Trinidad Chambliss get an extra year over respiratory issues. We've seen Darian Mensah break a contract with Duke and go to Miami and get that settled within a week, thanks to lawyers. We see Brandon Sorsby gamble on college football for four years, but he still won his case in court, right? And now we're here where I just think as the NCAA is fighting these day after day, you know, people are pretty emboldened right now to challenge us and say, hey, shouldn't an exception be made for us for our own. You know, specific reasons. Yeah, because when you said, hey, if I was a lawyer, I was like, well, if you were a lawyer, you would just argue whatever side was beneficial to you. So it doesn't necessarily mean that it would always be like this is the only course of action for any of this stuff. Because, you know, Lanning had said something, Oregon's head coach was like, hey, once you're in the NFL, I kind of think you're in the NFL. So I think there's a lot of faith, whether it's programs or conferences or even fan bases where you just go, well, I hope this is a bit of a self-policing thing. And then you have LSU. Between the football and the basketball, it feels like a fucking free-for-all. So I wonder, I know you don't talk to every single coach, but of the coaches and the people around college football that you talk to, what is the temperature of whether or not people think this is good or bad right now? Yeah, a few weeks ago, the college football GMs had their annual summit in Nashville. And this was right as this stuff was dropping with the Colorado federal case. And, you know, now you've got the option to potentially bring players back from last year's roster. And you talk to some of those GMs. and obviously they're sweating this stuff, but some of them are like, man, my head coach is not down for this and it's a relief. I mean, because ultimately, like even if you can pursue this, you know, some people are still looking at this and saying, we shouldn't, we don't have to. And I think that Dan Lanning's frustration that he spoke on Saturday is one that you're going to hear a lot this fall, especially if, you know, Lane Kiffin and LSU and some other programs load up on these really experienced fifth-year guys here in this next week is, you know, is this fair for the sport? Is this unfair that you are taking guys that should be in the NFL, should be gone and bringing them back and giving them another run here? And, you know, I think for some of these programs, there is like the, when you get into the details of the stuff, it's difficult to pull off from a, like Marcus Freeman was asked, hey, why aren't you bringing this defensive end back that's going to LSU? It's like, well, you know, we can't get him into this, you know, grad school admissions in time. The deadline's already passed and we don't think this is the right thing for him from a classroom or a field standpoint. There are some of these that just don't have the ability to bring these guys back or look at it and say, man, it's, zero, like it is too late to do this stuff. And what does it, what does it say if we're bringing this guy into our program after all these other guys just competed for his job for eight months and now he's swooping back in and whether he's ready to play or not is going to have a chance to have a role with this team. And so, you know, I think that Dan Lanning spoke it on Saturday. I think you're going to hear a lot this fall that there's guys like saying like, hey, this is just straight up. We don't think this is right. And, you know, but I think for LSU, if money's not an issue here, like, you know, Lane Kiffin is going to pursue this. He's going to try and bring his Ole Miss guys with him. Obviously, Will Wade's doing the same in terms of trying to load up with an unbelievably experienced basketball team in Baton Rouge. And so, you know, these are guys that even if they are not draftable players and stuff, like we're still talking about guys that have 30, 40 career starts, right? And can really bring a lot of experience and value here. And some coaches are going to look at that and say that's messed up. Yeah, the LSU basketball thing is like a whole nother level. You know, we had the Alabama ruling where it was like, okay, so Alabama needs a big guy and then a local judge rules that was a Betty Akko. I don't know if I'm saying that wrong because it's been a little, it's been a few months since I've even thought about him. And then it's like, okay, wait a minute. This isn't happening. And you're just sitting there and I'm talking like as a fan, going like, what? Like, this is, this is something you can do. And then it gets overruled. You're like, okay. You know, it's a bit like the Sorsby thing where you're like, okay, even if you are the most empathetic person ever, like you probably shouldn't be able to do that and come back and play college football because a judge wants Sorsby to play for Texas Tech. And that gets sorted out. And yet I still heard a lot of members of the media being like, really on Sorsby's side through this. And I thought, yeah, I don't, I don't want to be on that side. And then you have Will Wade at LSU going, all right, let me get Donovan Dent who was retired, but it was fine because that one seems a little bit more seamless. The RJ Lewis hearing is today as of this taping to figure out what's going on with him. That St. John's was drafted, but didn't play. And then you have the Yam Madar deal where he's a 25 year old who was drafted six years ago and played professionally. And apparently like LSU had 5 million to bring him in. And then I guess that one doesn't work out. And that's the part where I think like the collective of it going, is this really what you want it to be? Now, if you're an LSU fan being like, hey, this is awesome. Yeah, I get it. But this, I think you have to kind of think of like the greater good going, is this really what you want the sport to be? And I'd have to think like over 90% of fans want nothing to do with this. I think that's right. And I think that there's not really anybody who's charged with protecting the greater good of this stuff at this point. You know, I think every conference commissioner is trying to put out fires and stuff like that. But I mean, ultimately, you know, these things are just being challenged over and over again. And, you know, we got to, we went from one time transfer to another. You know, unlimited transfers because of a court ruling. And, you know, certainly, I think the NCAA has to be able to defend this stuff and justify this stuff. And, you know, people are going to just keep firing away. And I think the win-loss record, I think this offseason for the NCAA hasn't been great. So, but I agree with you. I think there is a fan sentiment to this piece that is, that, you know, I think is going to rise up here. And you saw it with Bediako. And I thought, as the Brendan Sorsby stuff was beginning, you know, my feeling was, man, if he gets clear to play, I don't care if he sits out two games or whatever, if he gets clear to play this, like the level of outrage around this is going to be far greater than anything that's gone on in basketball. But we probably should have seen this coming in a lot of ways, Ryan. That probably should have been the hint this spring in basketball that this was going to be attempted in football. I think usually basketball recruiting is a little ahead of the game in football when it comes to some of this stuff that goes on. But yeah, I think it's, it's hard to like, it's hard to justify. I understand it's hard to justify from the NCAA standpoint of why are we leaving this group out? It's a small group of players. But frankly, Ryan, I think we're going to see a lot more suits here in the next week because as the federal case in place, Colorado gets stayed on Friday, which is a win for the NCAA. It just means those players have to go to state courts to get cleared. And, you know, I think these programs that are trying to take in players like Indiana is trying to bring back two defensive linemen from last year's team, really good players. Like as they walk through, how do we do this? Part of it is like, okay, what if these guys start practicing with us? We bring them back and all this stuff and then they're ineligible. So I think right now you're going to have a lot of guys who are either facing cuts or guys that, you know, are thought they might have a chance to go back to their former school. And now that's been done and put on hold here. We're going to file suits here and I think we're going to see another small flood of this here over the next seven days. I'm pro-NIL. I'm pro these guys being paid. There's probably some growth for me, some evolution, you know, like of an old school atmosphere. Like, hey, it's not that big of a deal. I'm glad. I don't think I was ever on TV saying, hey, that's what the scholarship is for. And if that's what I said, then I apologize because you just, the revenue coming in, the coaches' salaries, the expenses that these schools just burn through all of this money and then continue consistently. Like if you had ever told, this is kind of my argument about private equity with college football back. last fall was if you had ever told the programs like, Hey, you're going to end up getting, you know, five years from now, you're going to get a hundred million dollars per program. Is that going to cover it? And they'd all be sitting there going, the ADs, the coaching staff would be like, are you serious? A hundred million dollars. If you look at the growth of revenue in college sports for the revenue generating ones, right? And so you're going to get a hundred million dollar budget coming up in five years, you know, in 2020, you're going to get a hundred million or 2025, whatever you want to say, but you'd have to tell them years prior, they'd be like, Oh my God, that's going to be unbelievable. And they have that. And they're still crying how broke they are. So, and that's still with like a really, a really, like, if you wanted to chop it up in a, in a way that was a CBA, you could argue the players are still incredibly undercompensated for the amount of revenue that they generated based on 50, 50 splits in the professional leagues. So, um, I have no issue with any of that stuff. Uh, I'm, I'm glad that the players are getting paid, but this is clearly, I don't think it's the unintended. I think this is the predictable consequence of the money being involved. And then generally the lawyers from the outside, like all you need to find is some sort of flaw, some weak point in the NCAA is argument. And we've seen now for probably well over a decade, it's like the NCAA can't win some of these where you're like, they lost that one. Um, so I just, the question is, I'm kind of like talking to you here is, is there a breaking? Point, you know, maybe there isn't one, but is this heading towards this direction where this sport may wonder, like, did we, did we screw ourselves here a little bit? And I'm not talking about the player compensation part of it, but just the directions going every new headline, you're kind of like, what's going on with this sport now. And I wonder maybe that breaking point doesn't even exist. And we're fretting about headlines that we'll forget about in months. I think you've seen throughout the off season. I mentioned the win loss record, but every turn the statement from the NCAA has been like, Hey, this is why we need federal intervention. This is why we need federal intervention. And obviously they chased that hard this summer. And now that's been put on pause. But, um, I think it's almost like the fire just keeps rising and rising and it's like, okay, we are, man, we really need the firefighters to come in here and put this out for us. And I think that that is the way this is trending. Like you talk to agents and GMs, especially in college football, it's like, I don't really, you know, yes, there's a cap, there's a, there's a, there's a cap for revenue sharing. Ryan, if you're trying to compete for the college football playoff, you are already circumventing that and getting all these processes in place. Everybody's doing their own version of aspiration to try to make this work for the roster right now. And then you've got, and that's not going to change. Like the players are going to be worth more money here in November, December, the tamperings already underway for a season that hasn't even started yet. Um, so those players are going to make more roster costs is going to go up. People assume that it's at the highest level, you know, over 40 million right now. I think people probably assume that'll go to 50 million. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll go to 50 or 60 and we'll have quarterbacks making 6 million bucks next season. So you can see it's, it just keeps escalating and there's not really something that's, that's actively like tamping this down. And you know, w what comes with that too, then a lot of players who are saying like, man, that opportunity is so great. We got to figure out a way if we can come back. And so we'll see if like the, the, be coming back from the NFL is, is the one year deal here. And this is just a little group that's kind of trying to slip through the cracks here. I'm curious what you think though. Cause I'm not tapped into this. Like you are like, do you think NFL front office folks look at this and they're just like, yeah, man, crazy situation. I get it from his standpoint. Or do you think that I'm not trying to concern troll here, but like, do you think they're going to look at Daquan Wright and some of these guys and say like, okay, I get it. But like, we're not messing with you next year. If you try to come back to the league, I don't think they'll care at all. I think there's way worse stuff that players do that get drafted. This isn't even in the same category as that kind of stuff. I think this comes down to competition. You know, that would be the excuse. Will Wade's going like, if I can find a way to add these guys, especially, I think at one point this summer, LSU felt like they had three guys on the basketball team. I might be exaggerating. I might not be. Yeah. Uh, and if you're going to put a bunch of people together with stuff, that's this important, that's on the line and the money that's involved in it, then guys are just going to do whatever they can. So I don't think an NFL front office, like if Daquan Wright comes out, like I really liked him. I thought he was a hell of a player. I loved him at Virginia tech. And yeah, I guess it was the injury in the, in the pre-draft. The pre-draft process, at least him not being drafted and the whole deal. I think I know enough of the history of how this works. Like if he had a really good season in place for LSU, even if that's going to happen, cause I'm still, I'm still not a hundred percent convinced it's going to really happen. Then NFL teams would be like, Hey, great season. Like let's, let's go through the process again. Right. Uh, so I don't think, I really don't think that, that front office decision makers on the professional level would care. Like if some of these LSU basketball players are going to be drafted, they're going to be drafted in the draft process. And then I guess, I don't even know what the rules would be when you've already gone through the draft process. And in that case, drafted in the second round, I guess your rights would just be available. Um, I don't, I don't think you would go back into the draft. I don't, I don't think that's the rule, but again, I don't even know the rule because all this stuff's so new. And that's where I think that there's, there's, you know, naturally like 99% of people look at this stuff and say like, okay, well, once you've gone pro, you've made money in the pros. Like you can't come back. That's crazy. And, and the Louisiana TRO is just like, oh, just pay back the money. It's fine. You know? And I think that's, you know, we'll see if more courts kind of, uh, you know, do the, do the same here over the next few weeks. I think there is an urgency and a deadline to this stuff. You gotta have your roster set here going into your first game. But, um, you know, I think certainly there's going to be a lot of teams that, that watch this play out. And I think a lot of players and agents, like I said, who going into cuts here, they don't know what's going to happen. They don't know if they're going to be stuck on the practice squad or if they're going to be, you know, playing semi-pro football here in the near future, or look at this and say like, Hey, someone, someone could take me. Right. And I, and I think that, um, we'll see if this is just a little temporary window or of this stuff, but I think there's definitely gonna be some continued consequences. I'm going to bring this story up. Cause I, I know it, it sounds silly, but it was somebody from the gym guy. Like he's smart. He knows sports talk to him. And it was just like one of those discussions that a bunch of old guys have as they're stretching on a Sunday morning, trying to get their workout in. And we were talking about this and I was like, I just don't like it. And he kind of came at me a little bit and it was hard to tell him that he was wrong. He's like, this whole thing's a free for all. Like, what does it matter? This guy needs a place to play. It didn't work out in the NFL. There's money on the line. If he's ruled eligible, like, why would you have an issue with it? And it's a hard thing. Like you've got me in a corner and it's a hard, hard thing for me to say like, Hey, I don't like it. But like the thing that I said was it reminds me of Maurice Claret wanting to go right to the NFL. Right. And I think there's a labor part of me. There's a, a freedom part of me that would say, Hey, if I'm Jeremy, if I'm, if I'm Jeremiah Smith and somebody wants to take me in the first round at a high school, then I should be able to do that. And I, I believe that, but it would also suck. It would also suck if it was a free for all. Like if the ruling happened, I would not argue against it knowing that I think the right thing, even if it's wrong, legally, morally, the right thing would be, Hey, play some college ball, especially now that you're even getting paid. And then, you know, we'll figure it out from there. And that's what I, that's the parallel that I see to this story is that I'm not necessarily like rooting against, I use kids lightly with, with some of the cases here, but you get the point. I don't want to be like, Hey, you can't come back and play. It is a bigger picture thing of, is this the new normal? And when I talk about that breaking point, I might be completely wrong that there is maybe the rule that we're all going to learn from 10 years of all of this stuff that's happening so fast. And again, there's, there's a monologue in my head on this one. Maybe the truth is that there actually is no breaking point and that we freak out and then we watch the games on Saturday and we just don't really care. And I think, you know, I, I, I have plenty of those conversations as well, where people will come up to me and be like, you know, you know, NL's ruining this stuff. Right. And it's like, I mean, how much time you got? Like we can, we can talk about, you know, the, the same folks would probably say five, 10 years ago, I've had that conversation with ADs five, 10 years ago. I'm like, these guys don't have value. Like, what are we talking about here? We shouldn't be paying them. And now it's clearly open market. Yeah, obviously they absolutely do. And, and you get into competitive recruitments and these schools, it's amazing how easily these schools will go to a million on a guy they want to get, um, or just say a number to, to win a recruitment now. And I, but I understand like, just because I, like, I don't think few people are watching it. Like, I, I don't think people are actually opting out of this stuff, but like, I, if you want to say like, I don't like it, you don't, you can't make me like it. Like, I understand that from the fan standpoint and certainly everything just feels like it's just kind of heading off the cliff here. And, and, you know, I think to Lanning's point a little bit, there there's gotta be like some responsibility to that where I think oftentimes, you know, there's kind of this hypocrisy of like, people talk about, man, this is the wild west. This is so messed up. There's no guard rails. We need intervention. We need rules. We need, we need clarity on all this stuff, but these guys love living in the gray. They love tampering. They love, you know, figuring out a way to, to, you know, get over on everybody else in their conference. And, you know, I think you're going to see some people that are saying like, Hey, here's another, another chance to get better. And if other people don't like it, then sucks for them. But you know, that, that is where you just don't have that restraint of like, okay, just because we could doesn't mean that we should. Thanks, Max. Appreciate it. Max Olson, ESPN. Raising Canes is turning 30 this month to celebrate the milestone Canes is hosting a 30th birthday pop-up museum in Baton Rouge, located directly behind the original restaurant, the mothership. Todd unveiling the museum on August 25th in honor of 30 years of canes. The brand is also launching a commemorative nineties plush puppy available beginning August 26th featuring cane in her nineties, best net proceeds benefit pet welfare organizations. I know I'm getting a full spread center of my house. We're shooting a commercial today. And I asked my personal trainer, obviously I was like, is a hundred chicken fingers, too many chicken fingers before we're doing kind of a cardio thing tomorrow. And he was like, I've never seen it done. It doesn't mean that you can't try. He said, go easy on the sauce. I'm like, dude, I actually asked for extra sauce. So we'll see what happens. And I can't wait to be back in Baton Rouge and check out everything going on down there. Raising canes, chicken fingers, one love. I don't do this very often. I didn't have an open today because we had a pack show and, and, and it's freedom showed up to a WNBA game. And I thought about it last night. I thought about it more this morning. I have no notes. I haven't written a word down, but I'm just going to go here for a little bit. So I think a lot of people in my position. And if you've listened to me long enough, you probably know how I feel about some things politically, even though I think there's some things politically it was like, can I take, it's a bit of a buffet. Can I take this right wing idea? Can I take this left wing idea? Can I believe in this? I believe in that. And I think it's, it's kind of, it's kind of tough to do that. Right. Cause you say one thing, it's like, Oh, you're that guy. And then you say something completely different. And it's like, Oh, you're like the two things contradict themselves. I think a awful announcing called me a misogynist on a Monday. And I think outkick called me a liberal cool kid on Tuesday, which within the same week, that's really hard to do. The reason I was called a misogynist because I made a joke about Mina times being on inside the NBA and reality, what I was doing was making fun of the guys that lose their minds when Mina times is on a TV show. So awful announcing wanted to go one way and then, oh, kick up mad at me for something entirely different saying that I was like an ESPN cool kid, or I wanted to be an ESPN cool kid. So I was actually kind of proud of myself that I was able to pull that off within 24 hours. So when it comes to the trans athlete thing, I think I'm probably pretty grounded in that. Look, I don't even have kids. If, but if I did have kids, you know, I, I would have a hard time if I had a daughter, you know, feeling like she was missing out on an opportunity. Right. I think that's probably a belief that a lot of people share, whether, whether you're a parent or you're not. I think the WNBA has been on a heater of some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen from a league in my entire lifetime. And we touched on some of that stuff with Ethan Strauss. You know, it, it feels a bit like the reason this topic keeps coming up, even though the topic is fairly insignificant, because if you want to go with the, well, this is probably never going to happen. You're probably never gonna have a trans woman in the WNBA. So why are we doing this over and over again? And I think it is probably a pretty good point, but, but what will never be ignored is an opportunity from one side politically to just run victory lap after victory lap against the other side. If you feel like it's a really good win in this topic feels like it's a really good win for the right. And it reminds me like some of the congressional hearing videos that you'll see where I forget which Republican Senator, I think it was Republican Senator was, was looking at somebody who was testifying, who was a doctor and they were talking about something. He just kept saying over and over again. He's like, can a man have a baby? Can a man have a baby? And the woman who was a doctor like didn't answer the question. And so the reason why that'll keep coming up, even though it feels like such an incredibly small part of the population, like, why are we still doing this all the time? It's because that video is such a win that if I were a hardcore right wing guy, I would like want to get that messaging out there over and over and over again. Cause you're like, look at how bad the opposition looks right now. I think there's also another version of this conversation where if you expanded it out, and said, Hey, what are we really doing here? Um, the other side would be like, Hey, well, fundamentally who cares that the lack of numbers are insignificant. The act itself, like this is something that you wouldn't want to happen. You shouldn't want to have happen to women in sports, but the WNBA is so concerned with like messaging and feelings that they're a very, very easy target. And then you have this mascot thing happened over the weekend and be like, who thought this was a good idea? And it's like, well, somebody in the WNBA did because they have the worst ideas, collectively, it seems like for, for a bunch of seasons in a row here, a lot of instincts. Maybe I should stay, um, that, that seemed misguided, but I'm telling you right now, if Enes Kanter is your fucking hero, you're doing it wrong. All right. This guy, and he has had a fascinating journey through media alliances, because in the beginning, when he's going through this horrible situation with his father and it, you know, we're talking about like the, the safety of whether or not his father is even going to like live. Cantor's going on TV everywhere and it's, it's a, it's about human rights. And then I started wondering like, is it about human rights or is it because you want to be on TV all the time? Right. So the left was kind of like on his side going like, look at this guy, he's speaking about the right things, which I think, you know, depending on where you are politically, you would agree like, Hey, that's the right thing. We shouldn't want the government to, put us in fear of our own safety. And then he started taking shots at LeBron, China and Nike in the right wing guys on TV. We're like, let's get this fucking canner dude in the studio. And so the early alliances were like, what happened to our guy? And we're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's over here now. And where he is because he also steals tweets, which I think you can think it's completely insignificant. I think it is like the perfect window into someone's soul where you see a pretty clever tweet from somebody else. And it's kind of anonymous. And then you're like, well, that can get any run. I'll just copy and paste it and send it from my account just to get the impressions. Like, what is that? Right? I think that tells you a lot. Like there's a couple NFL players that do it and you just go, this is, this is what you're doing. This is what you're doing your free time. Now granted, they probably pay somebody to manage the whole thing. But so when this whole thing heats up with the Sophie Cunningham part of it, where again, I don't think she said anything remotely inflammatory. You can believe that she did. I do not think that she did. You know, I don't know if Riley Gaines, I don't know her at all. I've read some stuff that presents her as like the all time grifter on this thing. I've seen other people say, Hey, why should she lose a race in college to a trans athlete? Right? And then I see the other counter to that. It's like, Oh, she came in fifth. And what I always think about when I see somebody say, Oh, Riley Gaines, she came in fifth place. Like if she came in second place, which you have her side, of course, she would, but you love saying fifth place. No, over and over again. So when I think about Cantor, like looking at this, say you're a Sophie Cunningham fan, I don't think you should be an Ennis Cantor fan or a Royce White fan, because this is about attention for them. And for Cantor to show up to a WNBA game, get into it with a player on the court. All right. And maybe I'm a little old school. The fact that the player is a woman, and he's going to like stand up on the baseline and then get thrown out and do that. And this is where I think the rights like, Hey, there's probably a lot of stuff that I would agree with you on, but I don't even want to talk about it, you know, because I don't want a headline on like, and this is the part where it's not fear. It's just those of us that have done this long enough go, what's the fucking point? Like, you probably know where I stand on this. I probably don't even feel like talking about it. I don't need to talk about it. I can't wait for football to start. And I don't want some headline. 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Nationwide based on Sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability varies by state. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. We have Sir Rudy. We have Kyle. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to my brother, Vaughn. Nice. Indeed. Who does the music for the show? Ethan. That's right. That's right. All right. So we got to, let's do a couple quick feedback ones. Waiter headline. No way. The podcast made up of restaurant workers that never waited tables hates the waiters. Crazy. I sent sarcasm. Look, the truth of restaurant working is that everyone thinks that everyone else's job is way easier than theirs. Actually, I think Kyle didn't. Weren't you promoted? Yeah. To wait. So you are the one wait. No, not waiter. Hold on. Not waiter, buddy. No, no. Was on the line. Did a little expo work. You know, you never really did. It was no, no. I'm a back of the house kind of guy. I actually, you know, if I couldn't be a bartender, you know, you guys can fucking have that server shit. If I can't be a bartender, don't worry about it. See about picking up a shift. So see if you still got, um, just update the stories. Now we have to call out just bored. Yeah. Oh, I didn't new material. Uh, you know, I think it's a lot of this stuff. Again, the, the narcissism of pain sometimes where it's like, Hey, I have to, I'll ask this. Has anyone ever been promoted from waiter to dishwasher? Feels. Well, that runs counter to your whole point of like, what's hardest. I don't know that there's ever been anyone that's ever waited or bartended who was like, I'd like to wash dishes. I just, just the state, even the kitchen crew, like just the state of how you leave the restaurant. It's like, you don't leave fucking wet and gross as a waiter. Normally. That's my point. It was like, I'm disgust. I can't go do something after this. I have to go home and wash this off of me. Well, you're like, yeah, we count my cash and I'll meet you at the bar later. Just wasn't in my, wasn't on my day timeline after getting out of the restaurant and closing. That's all. Yeah, I know they hate doing roll ups. Big problem. Anyway, keep sending emails. I don't give a shit. I'm not wrong about this. I used to pull mats for local bars when I, well, I waited a minute. I'm doing it again. It's a little story. Well, cause I had a truck. I was like the only person that had a truck. And so they'd be like, is there any way? Like, yeah. Yeah. Everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the, and the village rejoiced. All right. A little Friday feedback here. 5, 10, 200 3636. I don't know when the last time we're going to, or next time we'll do a Friday feedback. We got some major numbers here. 365 bench, 515 squat, 575 deadlift, 200 Turkish get up. Our guy's a personal trainer. All right. Fucking right. That's some, that's some serious work. Son. I'm thinking of like the Turkish, I don't, I don't think I even know what it is. My, my first thought was just, is, is there a Turkish version of greenie doing morning television show out there? I don't know. Not with those numbers. Oh, the Turkish get up. He did 200 pounds on this thing. No fucking way. It's when you're on your back and you get up holding a dumbbell and you stand up. Oh yeah. Okay. I've seen that. Yeah. I don't do those. That's why I don't know what that is. No, haven't done that. I'll try one today. How about that? Report back. Yeah. Yep. Slip disc. I'll try one today. Slip disc down. See you guys. Week four. I slipped a disc in high school. Bad time. Not good. Bad time. All right. Uh, let's see here. We had another one. I'm going to save this one because I liked it so much. Wait, what was the feedback? We just kind of got off on his Turkish. Oh yeah. That's right. What did he have? I closed out to look up Turkish get up, pick up comp sons. Grant Hill. I was really good player in high school. My young twenties still run pickup twice a week. I'll give a couple flashes of what I once was few times a game, but mostly I'm comfortable playing defense, making the right passes, hitting open shots. I don't know. We didn't get an age on this guy. Why does the Rosillo book club rarely, if ever do sports books this summer, I read band how I squandered an all-star NBA career before finding my redemption by Michael Ray Richardson and Jake UT. I don't, I don't. And, uh, oh, that was the other author with Michael Ray Richardson. So I apologize for Jake. Maybe not nailing your last name there. Uh, blood in the garden by Chris Herring, both fascinating reads. I'm just wondering why if, uh, if you don't enjoy sports books, being in the sports business, or if there's another reason for sports books, not being in the book club, that's a hundred percent. I need a break. If I'm going to spend free time, I don't want to do anything that has anything to do with sports. I think I do have enough of that. I think the sports part of it's covered for most of the week. So yeah, I specifically don't want to read sports book. I don't even know. I look over here at the library. I mean, it would have to have been something where it was an author who I really liked and I was like, okay, I'm gonna read your book and then we'll have you on. We'll promote the book. But sometimes I feel bad if it's just somebody who I don't really even know. And then they'll hit me up with the book and then I go, I don't, I don't really want to read this this summer. Like somebody hit me with a book last year and it was probably pretty good. And I do like the guys. Work. But I'm like, I don't want to spend a couple of weeks reading this book and having get in the way of the invasion of Sicily. You know, I think that should make total sense to the emailer. And if it doesn't, I don't know. That extends to movies for me. I just, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if it's like a jaded thing, but I just don't really care that much about consuming any sports content content outside of like listening to podcasts and watching games. I don't know the last sports movie. I was like, man, I mean, money ball was great, but that was also like a different thing. Cause it was like, It was kind of a fucking while ago, dude. No, I know. I know. This is why I don't, I don't, I mean, growing up, I loved that even Sunday. What's that? Trouble with the curve. Did not see that. Nope. Is that a sports movie? I don't think it is. I have no idea. Have you guys seen field of dreams? This is people can get really mad at me. I have not. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. You've seen it a long, long time ago. Yeah. I mean, my wife for some reason like was interested in it and her dad, like, I don't know. I would love to get a Suruti review of field of field of dreams. I don't think we, I don't, I'm my approval rating. I don't know if I don't know if we need to do that. Um, I did read recently. There's like people saying that it wasn't as good now, but I don't know what that means. I've never seen it. No, I just, I saw that on X. I don't know if it's a trolling thing or whatever. I know, I know the overall, they may be onto something, man. I watched the first 20 minutes of it on a flight and I went, Whoa, like people, uh, people loved it, man. They came. It was like, it was one of those things you didn't want to tell anybody. You didn't love it. Sure. I could just see it and be like, yeah, it was unbelievable. Blew my mind. Seen at the end. Kidding me, you know, I would love, yeah. You know what? Maybe this will be a homework assignment. Should I do it? I could do it. Yeah. Yeah. Watch field of dreams. You got a few weeks. I know you got kids running around. I know they get you sick every other week, but you might have to do it in parts like a, like a class. Yeah. You might have to do it in different classes in high school. Like we're gonna, we're gonna get through an hour through this movie and history class. You know, my guess is you're not gonna make it through the first time you're gonna stop. You're gonna text me. Yeah. And then you're gonna go, all right, I'll finish Smallman. And I did this cause there was a, a lot of things that I didn't have on my checklist. Uh, like I think we did this during the pandemic when I was like, you know, between jobs we'll, we'll say, and I had some time on my hands. I was like, all right, let me check off some things that, that I, that I haven't seen. And, and we, and we did. Yeah. Like I hadn't seen it. People were gonna make fun of me. I hadn't seen Goodfellas and I watched it and Goodfellas was excellent. Like I just missed the ball. Oh, thanks. Good use of your time. No, yeah, no, I'm just saying, so I, all I'm saying is that I'm not just like, Hey, this movie's old. It sucks. So that great movie. Awesome. I will say to your point of like going back and being like, oh man, I haven't seen this movie in a while. And is it actually good? I watched Anchorman a couple years ago, rewatched it. And I, I wish I had, I wish I had not, I wish I just left. No. It was in the memory bank. I was like, man, cause you know what? It's all those comedies from that time. Like I still think old school is really good. Stepbrothers is excellent. bad's obviously a classic those hold up anchorman for whatever reason just did not work for me so it's alarming because usually it's the other way around where you enjoy the movies like they get seasoned like a skillet just watch wedding crashers if they drop wedding crashers tomorrow i would think i would i would think it was just as good it's that good anchorman vince vaughn's incredible on that you want that to be real like you wish there was some sort of although that's kind of who he is uh but he there should be some sort of like fantasy camp where you get to hang out with that version of like vince vaughn he like he's the eighth on your golf trips like if vince vaughn's career hadn't continued to stay at this level then there's probably a lot of money to be made of like him always being on your golf trip he comes back reunion he just says granted there'd be a grind for him it would suck his family would probably be a little bummed out um it'd be exhausting but he would be you just be like hey buddy these guys don't even know what they're in for you are the storm now get out there come on yeah you eat some pasta last night carve up for today it's gonna be a great one that's awesome that would be so good your box all right let's go some balls um i'm doing a bad job the hardcore life advisors yeah 10 minutes a lot of be there max we're at like 11 before they got a lot of con heads out there god bless you sir can i name my son after the fourth best player on a second round exit team this is in our wheelhouse wheelhouse 34 62 20 i've been compared to mark gasol not positive it was a compliment but i'm also not positive it wasn't i did 62 220 i bet you maybe some angles people didn't see writing with a bit of a time sensitive dilemma on my hands my wife is due in early september glad we got this my wife is due february 24 um no she's doing september we got exactly nowhere in terms of agreeing on a name this will be our first child the only name we remotely agree on is anyone want to guess a fourth option on the second round playoff exit team i was gonna guess jack because i feel like that's everyone's like safe pick for a boy you mean jack the shot foley what what current nba player named jack would you would you i don't know that might be an awful guess and no it's not it's not my guess what about what about one of the jaylans from okc you know there's a lot of them that's a guess yeah more jaylans out there they did make it to the western conference finals kyle you got a guess second round i was immediately went back to my guy cockbrenner but he didn't make the second round so it's not him it's not ryan um no but they framed the net from the plan they did they did they did all right our guy um thinking about naming his son rui we admittedly never had heard um the name prior to rui hachimura the issue is that we couldn't be any less japanese we looked it up and found the name rui hachimura and we found the name rui hachimura and we found the that it also has some portuguese roots couldn't be less portuguese either what would i say when people ask me where the name came from despite having one of the most fun weeks of my new york city life with the knicks this year i'm a lifelong lakers fan could i say that he shot over 56 from three while my wife was pregnant would i need to add in that the whole run was 10 games also he's now on the clippers any advice is appreciated i like the name i'll tell you that it's a cool name yeah i think there's a lot of it anime yeah i mean i think there's a lot of silly names coming out of like the whiter parts of america with different spellings and they're all verbs it's like you know trapper bailer um i don't know i just think there's a lot of stuff where it's like i would ask maybe why'd you land on that and i don't so i just think people would just glaze i don't think you're gonna do have to do as much explaining as you as you think yeah here's the thing less real quick though sorry just to jump in because i think this is like a cultural thing because like cultural appropriation like sometimes i'm like is that actually happening am i perhaps not understanding it do i have a blind spot because i think that black americans were ahead of the curve on the weird spellings of first names now i think the whites are doing it now you could say hey who's talking i guess it's just standing out to me now that's all you say we've culturally appropriated naming things dumb you know that's probably what's what's happened there yeah mckaylin you're like how is that spelled yeah and it took like two eyes decades to catch up it's k's and y's where i you know you wouldn't expect them um yeah so i just think i think we've all just realized like i'm not gonna ask about the origin of that one because i'm not sure i really want to know like maybe it doesn't happen that much anymore that's why i think people are just like great his name's kai i don't care why that was gonna be my i i don't know that was my point i had this in my head like first name middle name for my first kid her name is marlo maya i had anticipated like the answer to why when everyone asked like why did you name her this what are both things meaning like definitions all that so i had it already and nobody asked you other than like your real immediate family for the most part now rui's like a little bit more different than like my daughter's name is marla maya it's not too weird you know too odd of a name rui's like all right that's a question mark my most no it's actually a lord of the rings reference true story um shout out to kyle but most people just don't ask man they don't care and so i feel like you're gonna be your trans athlete wait that doesn't make any sense she's harry potter sorry yeah it was so stupid wow i thought that was gonna be a real millennium and it wasn't quite yeah not quite that was like that was a mcmurphy point of the story is people don't ask man i think you're gonna be fine yeah all right okay i like the name i think it's cool it is a cool name i would love to know his last name what's his last name that does matter there's some names that i'm not gonna say it but yeah maybe we should somebody saves somebody saves this for a facebook search 10 years from now and it's like i think it's he's old enough to check in there's certain names where it's like if you have this guy's name it's like you better be something special right you know with the with the first and last combo here like you're putting too much pressure or are you setting you know a little iron sharpens iron here or it's like we're expecting big things with this kind of name so yeah i don't know there's a i grew up with the thor and it was like yeah that guy what's he up to now i don't know i don't know what he's up to now but like he was like definitely like into wrestling team like strong guy it's like one of the kids who could do a backflip you know what i mean there's not there's only a handful of those and it's like yeah sounds like nice job already right i don't know what life has in store for you but you're you're living up to the hype well that's your home you have to watch field of dreams you have to let us know what thor's been up to i really quickly though too there are there are a lot of people who are just for example like hey i'm really clinging on to that two percent italian be like hey i named myself mateo for his italian ancestry and you're like yeah man that doesn't really like that doesn't mean you can just it's okay now because you have two percent italian to name your son mateo no so i just like to point that out there i think that's bullshit a little italian gatekeeping no i'm not gatekeeping because i wouldn't do it either and i'm what 75 or whatever i just think like you wouldn't name your kid so you gotta be off the boat to continue the uh no i just think people are using that as an excuse for why you can oh yeah at all times that's fair i don't know i think there's i think some there's some real stretches in there you could also say that rui was a pretty good like it's not like they shut down yokich but it was a nice size matchup on yokich to try to like meet him at his position not saying it worked but like it's kind of like the cat thing you could look at the box score and be like well cat didn't shut him down it's like yeah but he's making him work and i kind of like that for the lakers when they had rui on the team or or here's the other thing you know obviously wargon his parents just being named michael after michael jordan right ultimately are you setting the bar too low with rui though you know do you want your kid to aspire to more than just the fourth best player on a second round team yeah that's true i think i think wargon's parents were right to just correct that a little bit and he'd be the first to agree yeah no yeah so luca there you go all right we've got um kind of a serious one here so we'll give it a shot female listener here uh hi ryan serious yeah that's already serious love listening to your life advice which is ironic because my husband is actually the person who introduced me to you and now i'm writing to you about him see i feel like this is starting to happen a little bit more we're being we're like the conduit of we'll see what happens when me and my guys are blaming themselves yeah i know right so i mean if this guy's listening to this i mean there's probably a touch of trepidation on us on this one anyways so when uh me and my husband first got married i really wanted to try for a baby i was already in my mid-30s so i was aware of that biological clock in the beginning though we did fight but i viewed it as the learning curve of marriage my version of uh marital conflict resolution was quote we'll figure it out eventually things like him helping around the house and not wanting he not waiting for me to ask 10 times but according to him he doesn't remember the 10 times i asked nicely he just says i always get mad at him and other arguments starts um he on the other hand took it more seriously and said he wasn't comfortable having a child but we were having these issues i wasn't happy about the decision but i understood and accepted it eventually about two three years later he felt we were in a good enough place and said he was ready to try sadly life likes to f things up so of course i was then diagnosed with breast cancer and was unable to freeze my embryos really sorry to hear that initially i didn't resent him but after going through cancer treatments multiple surgeries radiation i would discuss adoption and surrogacy thinking he would 100 be with me. Instead his answer was essentially no. There was never really a conversation about it. The door was just closed. I wasn't going to force him into something this serious if he wasn't on board. With adoption, his concern was the risk of not knowing what kind of child he might get. I understand that parenting always comes with uncertainty, but I couldn't help thinking, well, I'm pretty sure that that could happen with a biological child. I think that's pretty something to agree with. Maybe this is the immature side of me, but after everything I went through, I guess I expected him to at least be willing to explore alternative options, especially knowing how badly I wanted to become a mother. Long story short, this past weekend, everything finally came to a head. I honestly don't even know what started the fight, but somehow all of the issues surrounding kids came pouring out, and then he just left the house. Here's where my own baggage comes into play. I have a pretty significant fear of abandonment that stemmed from my childhood, and he knows all about it because I've gone to counseling for it. When he suddenly left, not before telling me he didn't want to have kids with me anymore, he didn't even tell me where he was going, blocked my number, then didn't call. He didn't contact me for three days before finally telling me he was staying with a friend for who knows how long. Let's just say I didn't handle it well. If you know about abandonment issues, it basically puts you into this fight or flight mode, but worse, it's hard to explain, but I get very emotional. It's not pretty. I know he needs a space, so I haven't texted or called since yesterday, and that was because I need to know what to do with our dogs because I worked this weekend. Of course, he didn't respond to him knowing my condition. He could have communicated that to me, so now I'm sitting here wondering whether this marriage can be saved. Of course, I love him. We do have a lot of fun and good times. But I can't get over the hurt of what he did, especially when he told me he didn't want kids with me anymore. Is this marriage over, or am I overreacting to a really bad fight? Would love to hear your thoughts. If you think there's anything left to say, thank you for reading this. This was a bad performance. I mean, this is like fucking four own goals. You know what I mean? Like, this is bad. What do you mean? I just mean like the way that this guy, like, I was trying to be on his side, knowing he's a listener, or at least trying to be the devil's advocate. It's like, all right, he got upset. Left the house. He didn't quite think about your, you know, abandonment issues. He should know it. But when you're in the heat of the moment, sometimes you, you know, make some poor decisions. But it's been compounded, and it wasn't like a day to cool off was enough. It was three days, and I'm just saying, he owned gold himself like four times. Like, if he's not really trying to climb out of this hole with some sort of explanations or profuse apologies or at least some sort of acknowledgement, I don't know. You just can't chalk everything that happened up to like, you know, oh, shit got crazy, and I should have handled it better. I don't know. I'll hang up and listen. This is tough. Yeah, I mean, I've got two kids. I thought about if we weren't able to, like, what I would do, because I've always wanted kids just like you. And what I'm like, would I adopt? Like, how would I go about this? Like, would I be able to like, you know, you just start thinking of like, it's not, you know, it's not your blood kid. How do you feel about that? Is that weird? I know it's not like awesome to say, but like, would I be able to do that? Maybe he's just going through. That those motions and showing it in a poor way. I mean, I can't defend anything he's done. Obviously, like this is like knowing that you have these issues and then doing this to you and like kind of leaving you with a dog. And I mean, it's not a great sign. I'll say doesn't mean it can't be reconciled, but it's not a great sign. But I don't. I don't know. I couldn't help but hearing this entire you lay out this entire case. Like he's kind of just been delaying the kid thing. Like, did he did he just not want to maybe have kids? And he's just now cool with it. He was like, oh, I'm in the clear. And now that you're bringing this up again, it feels like you're like, oh, man, I thought I was in the clear, but now I'm not. So to answer the question about like whether or not it's savable, I don't know. Only you can answer that question. You have way more details. I don't think it's a great look for him doing this to you, but it certainly could be saved if you want it to be saved. Yeah, the email doesn't paint a great picture for a couple of different reasons. But when you have two people that are together and one wants kids and one doesn't want kids, usually one of like both parties think the other person is going to concede. And it's a pretty shitty foundation for a relationship to be on. And I would tell you, as you get older, like the more motivated the person who is like that wants kids is going to want them even more later on. And maybe you can't sweep that under the rug. Like they'll be resenting each other at 70 because I have those people in my family. Like it doesn't doesn't just go away after a while. It just start telling other people instead of you. So. Yeah. And then the fact that you go through all of this medical stuff is just awful. And I feel terrible for you for this one. A close friend of mine gone through something like this and you just like, you know, you're just all your priorities change immediately here. But I think there's. And, you know, I know it's like, oh, why are you even talking about this kind of thing? But I can speak to at least of like when you're in that you even admitted right in the email where she was like, it was ugly, the abandonment issues and all this kind of stuff. Mike. My guess is that you became really difficult to deal with. All right. Which you're basically admitting in the email. And when you're fighting for something and you want this person back in your life that you love, but you're this emotional and you're probably making the wrong. You have some bad instincts right now because this is so shattering to you. The guy's left the house. He blocks your number. You know, you've gone through this medical stuff. You've had this battle with the kids the whole time. Like it makes sense that you're. You're. Dealing with so much stuff, but you're probably presenting a less desirable, desirable version of yourself, whether it's because I like I remember when I did this 25 years ago or something and it was kind of like, dude, you never getting this person back of like these are your instincts and this is these are the conversations you're going to have or like this is how you're going to feel about stuff. I was like, you know, I didn't understand it at the time. But when you want that person back, you have these two paths and usually the more successful path is to let that person go. Be on their own and let them do their thing as much as it hurts to not have this person that's been part of your daily life for so many years, not be in daily contact with them and how disruptive that is to you. That's more often than not kind of the path that you need to be on for a little while, especially after this like emotional outburst in this moment of of your your husband moving out and not even wanting to tell you where he is and blocking the number and all that kind of stuff. So you probably need to get in some sort of. Mode of being OK with this decision that you clearly hate and people listening to be like, why would you want to give like and that's not what we're doing here, but you need to kind of like let him. Cool off and then not talk to him and if he wants to be by himself, like go ahead and do that because everything that you'd be doing and talking about right now is probably going to push you further apart. I'm not going to follow that. Well, I don't. The only thing it becomes like, oh, hey, if if you let the other person, if I had the other version where it's like, oh, you just you didn't even care, you didn't fight for it. Like, what am I supposed to do here? This is an awful situation, OK? It's an awful situation, but to have any health of this thing moving forward, you're going to have to get on the same page if you do get back together and figure out a definitive answer to this kid thing. Or it's never, ever going to work, because what happens is you start. Fighting over other insignificant stuff because you have this fundamental flaw in your relationship where the one person wants kids, the other person doesn't, and it sucks because it tarnishes all the good. Like you're having there's so many things that are good, and yet there's this cloud that hangs over you the entire time and it like kind of fucks up the relationship. And I don't know that a relationship could ever get that healthier version of itself or ever move forward unless you find a way to kind of get on the same page. Right. Which is different from what you're dealing with at the end of the email of him bouncing. But if you're to your own email admitting, like, you didn't handle it well, you have to not like you've got to let him kind of just go and be whatever he wants to be here for a month or whatever. And that's probably a better path as opposed to like asking what he's doing, where he is every single day. Or, hey, are we going to get back together because that's going to push him further away. To be fair to her, he does owe you a little bit. He does owe you a little bit of help with like stuff around the house, though. Yes. He's just like abandoned the dogs. Like, OK, like that's just not on you because he wants to take a hiatus because he's mad at you like that. That's so you should not be OK with that. That's not fair on your front. But I think to your point, right, too, there's two there's two parts. This is a short term in the laundry. The short term is, oh, yeah, OK, yeah, give him some space and kind of like, let this thing reconcile. And I'm sure, yeah, you could figure out if you want to. But the bigger picture question is, like, is the kids thing a deal breaker or not? Like, that's that's the answer to the question. Like, is is him saying no to you? Is that the end of the relationship? And if it is, and then there's your answer, and if it's not, you know, how sad are you going to be not having that? And that's only that's only something you can, I guess, answer. Glad we don't do these serious ones too often. I know. I got to say, I'm glad it's a I'm sweating, sprinkling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Kyle. Thank God. Thanks to Suri. Thanks to Kevin. Thanks to Tom. Ryan Russillo Show, Arsenal Sports. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.