'Rambo: First Blood Part II' With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

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I think I would have called the first one, Rambo and I think it's the long wishes he could have come back. All for him, it's about the branding. I got Rocky. I'm going to get to Cobra and I should have gone back and named it after my character so I can own more of it and we can run with this. This is Rambo, too. First blood should have just been called Rambo. Yeah, I think I agree. Well, it's impossible to explain how huge this movie was in 1985. This was an absolute, I was the top three movie of the year. It was a Reagan era wet dream action movie. Reagan talked about it. He made Rambo a character. It then became a political football for the conservatives and liberals. It became an avatar for a Cold War America and more importantly for our purposes. Arnold versus Sly. It was on, starting in 1985 because Arnold had a commando and we were off. This is our bird versus magic for action movie heroes. It's also one of the more hilarious Vietnam movies. You don't see a lot of funny Vietnam movies. I found myself on the rewatch bill. I was laughing at some parts. I think you're supposed to and then some parts you're definitely not supposed to. I loved it so much as a kid. It's one of these where I taped it off of cable onto a VHS tape and put the piece of masking tape on the back and just wrote Rambo, too. Yeah, I did, too. I get home from school and I get a snack and I put in Rambo, too. And I get home from school and I put a snack for like weeks. And I remember I thought it was badass. Now as an adult, I was so entertained by the comedy of it and just Stallone being a thousand out of ten Stallone in this movie. It's like he's never gone for it more. He's never been more ripped. He's never done more of a caricature of himself without knowing that he's doing it. I smiled through the whole thing. The unintentional comedy factor of this movie is going up each year, starting in about 1995. I felt the same way I was openly laughing during a lot of the scenes. I have a backstory with this movie. Let's hear it. HBO, every once in a while in the mid-80s, would have these movies on the schedule but they wouldn't tell you what it was. It would be like, and you would get the little HBO guide every year or you could see in your cable guide and it was just like a mystery movie. The biggest one they did for this was Christmas Eve, 1985 Ghostbusters, where we have a Christmas present for you. It's like, you do? What is it? And then it was Ghostbusters. And this is an era where the movie would come out, it would be in the theaters forever. They don't move to home video and home video starting to take off here and that would take forever. It would just never be on cable. Some of the bigger movies it would take over a year. So Rambo on July 4th, 1986, they're like, we have a surprise for you on July 4th and me and my friends were like, it's going to be Rambo, it's going to be Rambo, too. This is what it's going to be, but we didn't know for sure. And then they start, you see the HBO logo, they do the whole thing, the little preview and then it goes right into the music and it's like, yeah, by the way, no girlfriend for me in 1986 just for just for the record. But yeah, super exciting, but that's how big this movie was. It was like, oh, could it be, could it be Rambo, too? Could this be the one? And it was. Now they would just set up an octagon on the White House lawn and that would be the present too. No, it's, but to, to the young people, kids, like, that's, I know we'll get into this. It's a strangest dynamic where this is a hard r movie with merciless killings and a huge body count, toys, cartoons. Yeah. There was a Rambo big wheel that the kids would kill for and if someone on your block had the Rambo big wheel, got to control, the knife was super popular and not for like, transformers or something. It was this all rated movie where he just kills an entire jungle full of people, but they still put it to the kids. And it felt like it modernized action movies, too. I do feel like there's a before and after with this movie in Commando, which we talked about a little when we did Commando, but you go before this, we're in the Dirty Harry era, we're in, you know, the Warriors. There was like one off action movies, but there weren't like superheroes like this. Dirty Harry was probably the closest Dirty Harry in this movie are not in the same solar system. They look so different. They feel so different. It's not. This, here's the thing about this movie, too. Like first blood is, is rocky. This is rocky for. Yeah. He's super. You're right. Yeah. Fuck it, dude. No vegetables. We're going to blow some shit up. We're going to be ripped as hell. This is just going to be really fun. You, I remember it back in the day, I used to say that the first blood was, was about something. It had some really powerful loaded messages. It's a good thing about it. It's very much shit. Yeah. It's a great Vietnam movie. And there's the part at the end of the movie where Slides like, I used to operate a million dollar machinery. No, you can't even get a job parking car. And you're like, fuck, I felt that. Yeah. Now he's just walking. Like, where's Murdoch? It's not the same substance. No. Well, you mentioned, out of all those things, there was a Rambo kids cartoon, which I had forgotten about that you sent this morning. Did that, I tried it. There wasn't a lot of research on that one, but I guess, I guess it did run. It was a very strange era for cartoons where they would just take any movie and try to make a cartoon out of it for a couple years. This is particularly nuts though, because this is like a traumatized Vietnam war veteran who's just trying to kill everybody. And they're like, hey, the kids might like this, let's put this on Saturdays. Saturday morning, we'll do some breakfast cereal, do some sunny day. And I would treat yourself if you're a Rambo fan to find the trailer for this cartoon. Yeah. Because it's Rambo skiing on a wintery mountain top while he shoots people. He's driving a race car like in a Grand Prix. You're trying to make him into some sort of like speed racer James Bond superhero. But all roads back then were leading to Saturday morning cartoons, including Karate Kid. Bill and Ted had a Saturday morning cartoon a few years later. You had to do it because we were all watching. Ghostbusters. Yeah. Oh, couple. There's one part in the Rambo cartoon trailer where he's skiing. I think with the machine gun and it's just like this is amazing. I can't believe I missed this. So 1984, 1985, the Cold War pop culture, hey, day, this is it, like war games and the day after we're 83, 84 really starting with the summer Olympics where the towers, the Russians didn't show up. Right. And we just dominated everything and it was like a big, hey, look at all the gold medals are winning. August 1984, right after the summer Olympics, red dawn, let's go, which we've not done yet on the rewatchables. I know you're been in the bullpen warming up for a couple of years. Wolverines. Listen, one of the most haunting shots in all of 80's cinema is the classroom as the pair shoots start to fall down. It's it's chilling to this day and you get Swazie and C. Thomas and Sheen and their arm and up and screaming about their high school football team. I love it. We still don't understand why the Russians were so determined to take over obscure parts of America. Yeah, once we get that we get the rest, we must take Shia, right? So we have that. We have Tom Clancy releases hunt from red October and October 1984, which was a massive hit and was like, what's the movie going to be March 85 iron chic Nikolai Volkov tag team title champs at WrestleMania. They would each play the national anthem for each other and stand at attention. They would do the Iranian national anthem and then Volkov. He would sing. He would get furious when the people boot him. So that happened. Rainbow to his May 1985 June 1985 sting. First solo album post police releases his song The Russians or it's called Russians, but it's about the Russians. Do they love their children too? It's like, I was staying. Get poetic about the Cold War November 85 Rocky for. And then everything peaks to December 30th, 1985, Hulk Hogan comes out at MSG. First match against Mancho Minerat Randy Savage comes out to Real American. The song that they made, capitalizing on all this shit where they dump I the Tiger from Survivor and create this new song. They do the video. He's holding the flag. ♪ Dancing, dancing, crashing down and it hurts inside ♪ - It's waving the flag. - Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. - Waving the flag. And news week, there's news week. - Oh my God, it's awesome. - Yeah. - Sly. So yeah, this is just where we were. It was Reagan telling everybody, we're gonna blow out all of our enemies. There's the conservative liberal thing, which we did not have the internet, really to capture at that point. But Reaganomics, we're just basically like, we're gonna defend ourselves at all costs. And then Rambo becomes the avatar for all of this. - 100%. And I think nobody went harder in this than Sly. Because he looks to Rambo with the bazooka, killing Russians would get like a big fuck yeah from you back then. And then Sly doubles down. He's like, I'm going to box an unbeatable Soviet, who's on steroids. - Big stand-up Russia, 'cause I'm not afraid. And at the end of the movie, the Gorbachev guy is gonna stand up and clap 'cause I say if you can change, we can change. Like Sly was on this shit, and he felt it, and he nobody did more of it. - And by the way, as we've discussed in the Rocky IV, we watched it was, might have ended the Cold War. For all we know, it was really never the same. Yeah. - Definitely. - Sly's had a zenith here. So 82 to 85, he's got Rocky III in first blood, same year in 1982. 83 direct staying alive, which is considered a bomb, but was the eighth biggest movie of 1983. What was a bomb was next year, rhinestone with a dolly partner in Sly. And- - Rest in peace. - First time in a couple years Sly took one on the chin. Just wasn't good, it's a pretty legendary bomb, but it does lead to Sly saying, all right, I'll just double down on Rambo and Rocky, and I'm gonna do Rambo II and Rocky IV in the span of six months. And then the success of these movies, 'cause back to the future's number one movie, makes 212 million 85. Rambo is second at 150 million. Rocky IV is the only other 100 million dollar movie at 127. And those two events lead to our beloved Cobra. As we covered in the Cobra we watched it was in Sly, eating pizza by cutting it with scissors, because he is now flowing too close to the sun. He takes frozen pizza out of the freezer, which you can eat frozen, cuts it with scissors and eats it. And I always love the timing of it, 'cause you can see the businessman in Sly. He's thinking, I got my soldier, I got my boxer, now I'm gonna introduce my cop. I need a cop who goes against the rules and plays by his own set of identity, this is Cobra, and then Cobra didn't work like they needed it too, but this was, there was supposed to be Cobra IV, Cobra IV, everything. Toothpick, all glasses, monosolabic. I think this might have been an all-time Apex mountain here. - Let's talk about it. - I was trying to think of other actors that Tom Cruise had the first mission impossible and Jerry McGuire together in '96, and it just felt like both of those were hits and he couldn't do anything. So we had this a couple of times, but to have two of the top three movies in a year where there's three massive successes in a year and you have two of the three and you're the star, and it's all you, and you're doing basically two different variations of yourself. But you're also shirtless, or just ripped your training. There's close-ups of your oiled muscles as you're putting on your headband. In Rocky IV, there's just entire scenes of him training sequences with, the movie, there's no dialogue for 15 minutes in Rocky IV, he just kind of figured out the MTV era and where he fit in with the Cold War and everything else. - And they're like people be like, "Oh, I love the Rocky IV training montage." And I'm always like, "Which one? There's two." They go back to back, there's two of them. I remember when we did Cliffhanger, you had a list of Sly, it was on record of the movies that he was in the best shape for, and he said Rocky III, and then he said Cliffhanger, and he said Rocky IV. And so this one, no, he said Rambo III, rather, Rambo III, Rocky IV, not this one. Can you imagine how he looks in this movie? And it's like not in his top three, I would have the best shape ever, absurd. - It's like Tom Brady's best NFL seasons, and like ones that win the Super Bowl aren't even on his top four. He did eight months of training for four hours a day to swap combat archery classes, survival courses, and I think this is the most ripped he's looked in a movie. I don't know, you're a bigger weightlifter guy than me. What was his most ripped? What was his physique apex? Is it here, is it Rocky IV? What is it? - There's a shot when he gets in the ring with Drago, where Duke takes off his robe, and you drop your drink, because he's oiled. And he's like, I don't even know where his organs are in there, he's so cut, but they got him in there somehow. - Yeah. - Because he's supposed to be in Siberia training with haylofts and shit like that for months. So it's insane to me that I could look at this movie Rambo 2 and be like, eh, little flabby for sly. I've seen him better, it's insane, but I'm still there. - Well, the steroids also weren't as good in 1985, because you can see from all the wrestlers and the football players, it would make your neck bigger. It kind of would just put water in your body, so you seemed a little bloated, but he doesn't seem bloated at all. He seems like what it would look like now. So he must have the best stuff back then. - He had the best stuff, and I really do think he was a maniacal worker, like I really do. And here's the thing about, one of my takeaways from watch this movie, Sly's vice is vanity. Like Sly loves looking good on camera. He always wants to look hot. And I don't think Schwarzenegger had the same thing. Schwarzenegger was posing as an athlete, but dude, in this movie, he's getting tortured and he looks sexy. Like they're pulling him out of the shit thing with the leeches on him. Like he's still eye-fucking the camera the whole time. Like he always wants to look attractive. And Arnold wouldn't be like that. But Sly's like, no, I want the ladies to be all over me and the camera shoots him beautifully. - Well Arnold would got that fix from his bodybuilding competitions. - Yes, Sly never really had the same. Unfortunately, it didn't help with his performance. And I'm almost wondering, we have the overacting award that we do, that we keep adding names to. This is a Borreland Rambo II underacting award. - Okay. - He's monosolabic. He's just mailing in scenes. The second scene when he comes in, when he meets Martin Cove, aka John Creece, and Murdoch. Cove's talking to him. Like Rambo's not even saying lines and he's just doing one word answers. - He's saying everything like this. - I guess it was a choice. I don't really under fully understand it. What did you make of that? - I could not agree with you more. I have written down the Sly still-own underacting award. At one point, he's trying to hit real dialogue. - Yeah. - And he's like, something, the mind is the strongest weapon. - And you gotta be like, cut. Sly, you gotta do something. - Give us more. - You gotta do something. And then he gets to Cobra and does even less. - You can barely hear him. And so it's like, I know what you're going for, but juice it up a fucking little bit here, Sly. But no one would say that. - Well, because we know it's a choice because you see him in Tango and Chas, Tango and Cash three years later. And he's like, hey, well, he's like doing like this. - That's true. - Over the top. - He's over the top. - No, so he's, I mean, there's a hilarious scene when he's with Cove, played by Julia Nixon. His very cute female, I guess, accomplished during this whole thing. And all of a sudden it's a rom-com scene for like three minutes. He's like, so where are you from, man? - He's like, it's like, what's happening? You've said 10 words for the entire movie. Now, it's like, so what do you pair? It's like, uh, Stallone ranked his preference of Rambo films in the Graham Norton show. - Yeah, give me a. - He ranked this one fourth. He said it was his least favorite. And he said it was like a cartoon. - Yeah. - This is your fault, Sly Stallone. You did every aspect of this. They even hired the director George P. Cosmodos, who also did Cobra a year later. And Stallone would just famously, you know, kind of bully the guy out and do all the directing himself. I think he also kind of did that for, you know, director Rocky IV too. But these were all Stallone's choices. I don't know why, why he's, and this movie was a phenomenon. I don't know why he's embarrassed of it. I, Rambo III and Rambo IV, I don't really acknowledge to you. - No, of course not. - No, Rambo III was, Rambo III, that Trautman gets kidnapped and they get the fuck out of here. We're doing too much with that. First blood's obviously awesome. I love it, it's dark. There's cops, there's great actors. There's real drama and stakes. But this movie is just like a big fucking ice cream Sunday with some heavy metal on the background. How do you not like this movie? It kicks ass. - And it was a massive success for him. It was weird to see him kind of distance up from it. - I have some questions about what we should've done with the sequels after. Quickly, some supporting cast members, Richard Krenna. His 1985 was Rambo I, first blood part two. This is coming off Flamingo Kid the year before, by the way. Rambo II, some are rental with John Candy. - Love that movie. - And a TV movie called The Rape of Richard Beck, where he played Richard Beck. - Yeah. - I'm confused. - It's a movie about a cop who gets sexually assaulted by a criminal. And he's Richard Beck and I would at some point this weekend recommend watching. the trailer of the TV the rape of Richard Beck I saw the trailer on YouTube because I was like, what is this? And yeah, it's that's the movie. This is, you know, a lot of social issues happening in the 80s, including that. So anyway, those are his three movies. He's Troutman Richard Beck and Al Pellet and some are rental. The problem is when I see Richard Beck getting sexually assault that I just picture him in the beret. He always has that beret. I didn't see the movie. So maybe maybe that's what happened. He's he's used perfectly here. It's a lot of it's a lot of like, we're going to need Kyle Brandt for that Monday show. Well, don't forget one thing. What? Bill's Jersey. He's he's he's he's just karaoke. He's Troutman karaoke in this movie. I kind of enjoy it. I got to say I have some some Troutman thoughts slightly later, but I will jump in to say that. Sly loves the older sage. Right. Vouches for his crazy character and his kind of the sly whisper like, obviously you had Mick and then you have Duke. Yeah. You have Troutman here and in Cobra, we get that guy who when they're outside the grocery store and he's like, he's all buried in there. We can't get to him. Then there's a pause. He's like, bring in the Cobra. You like, fuck it. Right guys. Like, don't worry, Cobra. I'll keep the commissioner breathing down my neck. I'll handle him for it. There's always a guy who's like, just let this genius work. He repeats that thing over and over. And I don't think anybody does a better than Troutman. It's like his own Ernie Adams. Yeah. So we have Richard Krenner. We have Martin Cove playing Ericsson. He Martin Cove does give enough credit for being in two top five box office smashes back to back years. Karate Kid is Chris and then Ericsson in this movie. Do you want to compare and contrast Chris and Ericsson? Is there any difference at all between those two people? Let me taste them though. There's no Ericsson. It's just Chris. Chris showed up. He's opening a Dojo in Thailand. He has an alias. It's fucking Chris. He shows up in this movie. He's got on a sleeveless get up. He's got to invest his little button with a frowny face on it. And he has a massive revolver that's holstered in his vest. You just don't see it much. And it's that same beautiful center parted crease blow-dried hair. It's crease. It's it's it's strike hard strike first. No mercy crease. He looks exactly the same. I know. He looks great. It's pretty funny. Well, you have him and you have Charles Napier as Murdoch. Marshall Murdoch. Who I got to say for if you're just putting a Mount Rushmore for that guys. Beautiful. He's the security guard and silence of the lambs who gets killed by lector. He's that guy. And he does like one of the great screams. He's that he's the judge in Philadelphia. Yeah, we don't live in this courtroom. Do we, your honor? He's blues brothers country and western singer who ends up trying to chase down the blues brothers and drives his bus into the water. And then he's Murdoch and Rambo. That's about as good of a that guy. Mount Rushmore as you're getting. I always think of those fan conventions where the actors show up and behind them. They have like the posters of the movies that they've done so they can sign headshots. His posters would be really cool. Yeah, we know what I want to sign. I honestly I think it's silence. Yeah, I was. Dude, I was googling this morning. I was like, now was Napier the guy who lector crucifies or gets his face cut off? Which one? He's the crucified guy. He gets his gut split up. Yeah, that's him. Shouldn't have given him that second wheel dinner. I call him Chuck Napier. He's been in my life for so long. Absolutely great. And then another that guy. We have that guy off because Stephen Burkhoff's in this AKA Victor mainland from Beverly Hills cop in 8385. He's the villain in Octopussy. He's the villain in Beverly Hills cop too. And he's the villain in Rambo 2 playing a Russian. It's got different accents in each movie. And he's just you see him and you know he's a bad guy. There's no there was no apparently a famous English actor from the 60s and 70s really well accomplished stage actor who then just was like, fuck it. I'm going to be a bad guy in the mid eighties. Give me some parts. Yeah. I figured he was just used to in European or Russian. No, just has an Eastern European face. The block, the corner that he was on for a long time, 10 years after this movie was taken by the guy who's the bad guy in the saint. Remember that guy who plays a Russian in every single movie and he's an eyes wide shut with the costume shop. He would have played that role if this movie 10 years later. Yeah, I don't know who that guy is now. But Burkhoff. I mean, Victor mainland is is that that's one of the great villains just staring him down. I love that guy. Then we have Julia Nixon as the accomplice. I don't know her and Charlotte Lewis from Golden Child who made eighties babes that just this was sadly their peaks and I don't I don't know what we did wrong. I don't know why we didn't have more Julia. There's a part in Golden Child where Eddie Murphy is having a dream sequence and he comes across her and she's like coming on to him and she's all hot. She's like, can we spend some more time together and Jesus has a nine year old that fucked me up. She's so, so great. Julia Nixon long career. Her IMDB like a lot of TV shows like kind of like the fourth or fifth lead in a couple shows. A lot of like CSI's and you're like, wow, true. Yeah, I didn't I wasn't familiar with your game. Right. So like a 40 year career. But I think she's getting this and then most important indoor aviator guy, indoor aviator's guy. What do you mean explain by that? I know what you mean. What are you talking about? So apparently he plays the character lifer. So you have Murdoch and you have Chris and then you have this third guy who's wearing sunglasses indoors who's got like a, I don't know. I don't know how to describe his outfit. He's got like a thin Miami vice-beer and thinning blonde hair in the back barely has any lines. He's the one who when Rambo's jumping out of the plane, Rambo can't get out. He's trying to help him. He's played by Steve Williams. Do you want to guess how many other IMDB credits Steve Williams had? Just tell the people because I already looked. It's unbelievable. This is it. This is the only one. He's lifer. How? I was researching 15 minutes. I was on Google. I was on every AI site. Like just tell me more about Steve Williams lifer. No information online. None. It's like it's been scrubbed. We know nothing about him. I don't know why he's in this movie. I don't know why he didn't act again. I don't know if some actor called in sick and they grabbed somebody from the crew. It's just a fucking mystery. And if anyone knows, feel free to email us because I couldn't find out any info about Steve Williams. This guy is probably sixth or seventh on the call sheet for $100 million massive movie. He holds a gun to troutman's head. It's not an inconsequential role. And you're telling me that he never even did a guest spot on highway to heaven or anything. Nothing. Anything. But when it's like, I love the creases flying the helicopters. He's like five seconds. And this guy just goes party time. And I'm like, that's not bad. We can work with that. He got a couple of lines. I thought for sure he would have been in like a season three Miami vice episode or, yeah, love boat in 1983. Nothing. And the other funny thing is his character's name was Leifer, which is ironic. They don't because he's supposed to be in it for life. Right. They don't they never say his name. And I don't know. That's just what they decided name in the script. So anyway, Steve Williams, indoor aviators guy, just a mystery. I know nothing makes you happy in an action movie when somebody's wearing sunglasses indoors for the entire movie. He might have even had him. Did he have money in the plane jump at the end or no? I'm just going to say yes. Probably. I think that was it. Steve Williams. It just sounds like an AI fake name like a creative Madden player. It's Steve Williams has nothing to do with anything. One and done. There's got to be a story. May, first of all, that might not be his real name. There's got to be some story why he's in the movie. You could tell me he was the drug dealer from Mario Kassar and Andrew J. Bajna. You can tell me James Cameron owed somebody a favor or Cosmodos. Any of those guys will never know. Isn't it? Isn't it such a great feeling to turn on this movie? And first, you get that that horse with the ring wings running right at you. And the second you see that Mario Kassar, I just feel like I'm at home. It's such a name that makes me so fucking happy. Well, we have a lot of our guys here produced by Carole Co pictures. You see those names. It's just it's just like putting on a warm sweatshirt. Go time. Our guys like literally our guys. Yes. Still not sure they were real. I'm still not sure that the they weren't. Fronts for like some sort of Iranian. I know. Well, we'll never know. We'll never know if those people are even real human beings. Screenplay by Slice the Loan and James Cameron. Yep. Mindblower that James Cameron Cameron was hired to write the first draft. He did that at the same time as he was doing Terminator and preparing aliens. First draft was titled first blood to the mission. And then slide basically took it over and strong armed it. Slide out. It's not pairing, right? Because Cameron is just he's he's team Arnold and he's making Terminator and like what he's just in the middle of that writes with Sly and then apparently went in all kind of different directions with the script. Yeah. And it lasted a couple of years where they're making it and and then his career takes off. He's team Arnold. Maybe slide in like that. Yeah. Sly had kind of a dicky quote about him later. Oh, great. I think that James Cameron is a brilliant talent. But I thought the politics were important such as a right wing stance coming from troutman and his nemesis. Murdoch, contrasted by Rimbo's obviously neutrality, which I believe is explained to Rimbo's final speech. So I don't know. Cameron wasn't delivering something for Sly. - You know what it is, Bill? People get pissed off when you do this podcast and you like shit on the movie. It's like supposed to be like loving the movie. I don't like Sly's shitting on this movie. And I feel like we have to fight through that. Because I love it, you love it. And I'm not here for Sly, constantly saying this movie sucks. I don't like it. - It hurts my feelings. - Me too. - He also said Cameron, his initial draft, 30 to 40 pages to have any action initiated. Rimbo was partnered with a techie sidekick. And he said it was more than politics put in the script. It was a simpler storyline. And then he says, if James Cameron says anything more than that, then he realizes now doing the backstroke badly in a pool of lies. - Oh, Christ. That's something Trapman would say about Rimbo. - So, so weird. So anyway, we have, he's above. The music score is by a guy Jerry Goldsmith. - Yeah. - Popped up a lot of rewatchables. The final song, "Peace in Our Life" is sung by Frank Stallone. We'll get to that later. And then it's directed by George P. Cosmodos, who did "Cobra" your later. And I'm not sure if it worked again. It was nominated best sound effects editing in the Oscars. Also nominated for seven categories. It's the sixth annual Golden Raspberry Awards and one for worst picture. 25.5 million dollar budget. It ultimately made $300.4 million dollars worldwide. - That awesome. - It was the first film to appear in 2000 plus US theaters. And it was third biggest movie of '85. Roger Ebert did not do a written review, but he did on his TV show. Give it a thumbs up. - And this is the real Roger Ebert. - Real Roger Ebert praised the film's pacing, the lack of political bias, criticized some logical flaws, but said he wasn't bored for a second. - Not a chance. - He enjoyed the film immensely. - And there's not a shot fired for the first 30 minutes of the movie, but there's a lot of dick swinging. And it's a lot of setting up and there's the insertion and the helicopter and all that. It's all action, even though there's no shots fired. It's okay. I'm never bored either. - It's also high to MTV in 1985. So you can get away, no dialogue is okay for as many scenes as you want. We have a lot to cover. Re-watchable categories coming up. We're gonna take one break to come back most re-watchable. All right, most re-watchable scene, the opening scene, which also is the Todd Parker award for best character entrance. Here's Rambo. They set the entire premise up in less than four minutes. We're off. He's, here's Rambo. He's just hammering some rocks. Here's Trautman, Nija. And here come the credits. And here comes Casser and Bajda. And we're ready to go. - I love a pre-credit scene so much. Especially one, the first fucking frame of this movie is an explosion. It's a giant-ass explosion. It tells you what's coming. And he walks over and it's all like, can we win this time? And it's like, you know, when you walk, yeah! And this Rambo's in fire. It's like getting you fired up like an opening band for the movie. I really like it. And I love that Rambo working in a prison camp breaking bricks and rocks. Still has just like perfect hair. It's gorgeously conditioned. How does hell like always- - He's not sweaty, he's not sunburned. - No, looks awesome. We get exchanges like, I'm sorry, they're saying it is such a hell hell of soon worse. - Yep. - Sir, do we get to win this time? This time, it's up to you. - Yeah! - Moral Cassar and Andrew J. Fashin, percent! (laughing) - I relate to all that dialogue too, 'cause you know what Bill, we got these conflicting networks and merging and stuff, but it's like, when I come on, they're watchables. - At least here, I knew where I stand. - You know what I mean? Like, that's the split. - Do I get to win this time here? - Yeah. - Rambo's airplane jump mishap, I have here. I don't even know, is this beyond a nitpick? They can't figure out how to get Rambo to jump out of a fucking plane. - Yeah, I mean- - The number one green braid we have. These gears gonna get stuck. - Who made these travel plans, Sean McVeigh? (laughing) It's a disaster from the start. And it's fun though, it's fun because he cuts loose the weapons. - Yeah. - So they have this thing and he's like, he's cutting free as equipment, sir. And you get these great reaction shots from the trout men and Murdoch. And it's like, they're talking to the microphone and slides like, oh shit. He's knocking at any of those guns now or anything. This is gonna be on. - It'll be fun. - Yeah. - Would you have had the scene before when he meets Murdoch and Chris as a rewatchable scene? I thought about it. - Yeah. - Okay, I mean, all right. We'll add that too. I have more thoughts on that in the next category. Rambo and his new friend, Koe, on the pontoon boat with some of the worst rom-com dialogue in a while, including to survive a war, you gotta become a war. And then his long story where he says, I guess I was expendable. And it's like, ah, John Rambo. It's got feelings. She brings that up later. And then she says, what bring you good luck? And he holds up his knife and he says, I guess this. - It's just great recording. - It's like when Harry Medt's hour this, I don't know. It's one or the other. - It's so hot. And I just, it's so funny that through the '80s, giant knives were these incredible Freudian devices that they would just do. What bring you luck, Rambo? - Oh, just this giant middle penis on the whip-out. - Like, it's so, there's no subtle to it whatsoever. But it is funny that the killing machine is kind of trying to flirt a little bit. Like, Harry Sutton touches her necklace and he's like, this is cute, like, you know, what's your son? - Yeah. - Do you watch Vax's life? He's trying to flirt with her a little bit. And I can't blame him. - Do you like Michael Jackson's thriller? - Pantumbo, again, Pantumbo goes evil. Rambo kills everyone, grenade launcher. Rambo is getting hung from behind after he kills the first six guys. Forget's about the seventh guy. Breaks away, stabs him through the bed, jumps. And then it cuts to Julia Nixon going, you made it Rambo. - And we're on. - And then bedsheet tells them, "Rambo, you're not expendable." It's like, "Ah." - It's kind of beautiful. - You know, I was thinking like, like, 30 years from now, I'm gonna make some kind of stupid movies called The Expendables with a bunch of actions. - Right, that's what we're gonna make more money, right? - Yes, for sure, he got it there. - Next one, Murdoch and the helicopter, guys, bone over the Rambo escape, abort the mission immediately. Get a good Murdoch, troutman argument. - Fucking great. - A shot of crease looking up in the helicopter. It's got the energy of when you're in an elevator and someone's running for the elevator and you pretend that you're watching, you're gonna press the closed door button a little bit. You're like, "Oh, sorry, I missed you. You'll have to get the next one." They just leave him hanging. - Question. I could do this later for Enanceables. I'll do it now. - Is this a better movie if they push Krenna out of the plane? - And Krenna has to join the slide on the lamb. - But he's hurt. He lands, it's like a 20-foot drop, hearts his ankle. So he's got to limp the whole time and Rambo has to worry about troutman as well. - It's not 'cause he's got the POWs and because I like troutman going back to Murdoch and be like, "What the hell are you doing?" You just pissed off Rambo. - Yes, you need that moment. - You're the one who's making the mistake. Yeah, what's that? - Rambo. - Rambo. - Evil music. - So good. - Rambo gets electrocuted by Victor mainland and Nicoliokitch. I don't know if you realize that was Nicoliokitch as the-- - I do not care. - It looks like it's dad. - That's for Nicoliokitch. - That's four-time MVP, Ethan Nicoliokitch. 2,000, 2,300 bottles of MVP is for his first movie. He's not credited. But it does get, they give him the microphone. Can you tell these guys where you are? Murdoch lightning. - Yes. - I'm coming to get you. - Perfect lightning. - That's your fantasy. It's shit, it's up there. - Wildly telegraphed punch by Stallone, who has no restraints, no handcuffs, and he does that thing on the mic stand, where he almost squeezes it to death, and then he hits Yokeitch's dad with it, and you gotta see that coming. But then Al Hell breaks loose in the rest of the movie's nuts. - Honestly, a terrible job by them. - Terrible. - Maybe at least have his hands tired as he grabbed it. Why are you just letting him run a mock? - And they even say, leave one of your men here. This is Rambo, dude. You gotta leave one more than one keystone cop south Vietnam. - Bad scouting by them. I don't think they're advanced metrics department, really understood what they were dealing with here with Rambo. Next one is Rambo's new girlfriend got shot 28 times, but not before they kiss. They get one kiss in. What sexier, I wrote this down. What sexier than a guy who has a showered or brushed his feet in four days. It was also nearly drowned in a pool of feces. Let's make that time, baby. - Give me some of that. - He still got leeches inside his mouth and he's rounding first next to the river. I got more thoughts. That scene's fucking incredible. And let me throw a bone at Arnold. Arnold wasn't doing that shit in his movies. And the studios would come to him and say, Arnold, we need a love scene. And he'd be like, I'm not doing a love scene. I'm getting hunted by the predator. I'm not doing it. In commando, they went on. He's like, my daughter has been abducted. I'm not kissing Ray Dong Chong. He likes the ones like, yeah, fuck. Make out scene. And also like, when's the last time do you think John Rambo kissed a woman? It might be a fucking long time. And then she's like, let's go, Rambo. He's like, I don't know. Let's stay here. That's gotta be very confusing time for him too, is this? - I'm gonna guess his breath was terrible. Like she probably was gonna go in for more, but it had to have smelled like just a rancid dead body. - You need altoid Rambo. in it. Rambo here. Here's some scope. Rambo, murder, montage. I just wrote down that one where he just kills everybody because they killed this girlfriend. They shot her 28 times. Somehow she didn't die right away, but she does. These are the knife kills where he's going through the jungle. Everybody. It's the last half an hour of the movie. It peaks with the mud wall when he comes out of the mud and he and stabs that dude or whatever it does. Has no mud on him two seconds later. It actually, I take it back. It peaks with the guy who shoots at him 59 times, misses every time. And Rambo starts running and stops, keeps shooting. And Rambo is just taking his time, gets his bone arrow, boom. That's where the movie goes to another level of unintentional comedy. That part of that movie is spoofed by Weird Al and UHF, which is hilarious. That's that part. I have an NBA comp for that guy. That guy being unable to shoot Rambo is Charles Smith under the basket against the bulls cannot get the layup in over and he's got Jordan. You're going to beat him. You're going to take the series lead even bigger. This guy tries the rifle. He goes to the side arm. You can't fucking hit still on and then just boom. And Jordan and Horace and Scotty blocked the shot. And Charles Smith just can't make the fucking basket. I blame his ophthalmologist. Obviously bad contact lenses or whatever is going on with him. Just couldn't see anything. Make the shot. And then we get the finish of the slow mo run jump, which he does in cliffhanger and Rambo being underwater, being shot at. They don't realize he's under the helicopter. So comes out of the water like jaws jumps on the helicopter and kills the colliocage. This is when the movie is going 200 miles an hour and you can't stop it. And for the real sly heads like you and me, there's bombs going off. They're stabbing with the part that makes me the happiest is as he's diving to avoid the bomb, he goes, because that's the sly noise that you want to break down sly versus Arnold with just one note, like named that tune. It's all they do. That's their entire career is based in one note. And sly does some great when he's hanging out the plane. We were all Arnold's going to have those guys perform. So they added in that. And I'm like, I love you sly. Never change. So if sly was in total recall and landed outside of Mars. And he would have been like, he would have gone lower. I'll see you at the party, Rick. Rambo helicopter bombing where he lands the water and does the rope and dope and then get some. But as he's finding the helicopter, he lets out a slice the loan screen for some reason. He's just fine. He's like, so he's bombing the shit out of the village or just their rockets or whatever. Boom, boom. And like, after seven rockets go, he all but looks to camera and does the side of the mouse. And that's and I laughed out loud as an adult. I loved it. Loud in my basement. This is why I love movies to slide does that shit. It's so gratuitous and it's so awesome. Then he brings back the POWs. Yep. He does the thing where he destroys Murdoch's office and everything culminates with hold on. I gotta get do it. I got it. Now I gotta get this ready. Do it. Yes. I feel like Cosmodos is like they had it and he just shot up the office and he's like, we got 10 minutes. Let's do one more. And for like the last 30 rounds, just shoot him in the fucking air and scream for no reason. All right, go roll. Let's go. It's great. That's the best five seconds of the movie. That's what Steve Bommer is going to do. And he finally gets his revenge on Pablo. And then destroys Murdoch's office and doesn't kill Murdoch. Does the classic knife next to the head. And then the last three watchable scene, we have a Frank Stallone song ending that ends with some really awkward Stallone troutman dialogue that I'm guessing James Cameron did not write. Don't hate your country for it. Hate. I'd die for it. What do you want? I want what they want. Everyone else wants for a country to love us as much as we love. Love it. Like they're basically doing first blood all over again. And we end with how we live, John day by day. And then it just ends. And Frank Stallone comes in with a song called Peace in Our Life. And the chorus is Peace in Our Life. Remember the call. Oh, it's here for my brothers. Think of them all. Home of the brave will never fail. The strength of our nation belongs to us all. They're like, hey, Springsteen born in the USA is huge. Frank, what's your version? I came up with this song called Peace of Our Life. About that. Okay. What's the course? Can you give us like a shitty Kirkland brand version of Bruce Springsteen Frank? Do you think Frank was excited to be included on that project somehow? Like that is fun. Yeah, I think he's contributed some of the worst movie music in the history of movies. Like his arsenal of bad songs is way up there. Somehow it's still not worse than the song that ends first blood. Yeah. So to get ready for these, I watch first blood, which as you know, I love first blood. I watched it with my son Ben who loved it. And then it ends in that song comes on. Ben, Ben, who's like into this the whole time, like not even on his phone. That song comes out at the end and he goes, Dad, what the hell is that? Why did they do that? I'm like, I don't know. And then we watch Rambo 2, which she was definitely on his phone a little more for same thing. And he's like, why do they do this at the end of these movies? I don't know. They go with this like weird melancholy track after you've just had like, I don't know, poison hair metal for 90 minutes. And then they ended on this down. And also it's weird because Rambo just starts walking to nowhere. There's not going to he's walking away from the song. I don't know. He's going to a Starbucks. Maybe he's going to get some toothpaste. So what is your most rewatchable scene? Tough question. The thing that blew my mind the most as a kid, I couldn't believe what I was looking at when he was buried in the mud and comes out in his eye. So the murder montage. Yeah. It's when it comes, it becomes a slasher movie for about five minutes. Yeah. They basically took first blood when he runs a mock and the yeah, they're like, how can we just do a way better version of this where he actually kills people? What's the most 1985 thing about this movie? I will give you Martin Cove. I will give you Victor Matlin. I will give you a movie ending with a Frank Stallone song or a character saying, do we get to win this time? I want to say Cove of the ones you had. The thing that hit that pops for me is there's this really dramatic moment when they rescue the POW and he's like, what year is it? It's 1985. And it has this big impact like that year is supposed to really mean something. Yeah. So that the fact that they name dropped their own year, it's almost like saying the name of the movie in the movie. You said what year it is. I also think that scene needed just like, give me 30 seconds of levity where the POW is like, wow, 1985 holy shit. What have I missed? And Rambo is like, you got to see with John Thompson's building a Georgetown. It's fucking incredible. I got to get you out of here so you can see Joe's. He's missed a lot. We just need a little bit of that. Yeah. I was thinking if I was the POW and I get out, I'm like, what year is it 1985? My next two questions would have been, did the Red Tax what in the World Series? No. Did the Celtics win any titles? Yeah. You won an 84. I'm like, fuck yeah. Yeah. Really? We did. How about the Pats? I just want to go on through all the teams. Well, the Pats were about to go to the Super Bowl, too, in 85. The bees did we get to the cup? No. Or how's my family? The Flood Gundalli butter in my ass, lollipops in my mouth, the word for something I just enjoy. What do you got here? I got to, I will never turn off a knife sharpening scene. Fucking ever. Just like, and it's, he does the same shot in Cobra where the night stalker is sharpening his knife. It's like sweaty, ripped forearms and just slow sharpening of the knife little by little. It's always cinematic. It's always hot, but the other one I have with the bill, you know how, you know how the kids these days, they talk about aura farming and your Joe Burrows always aura farming. In 1985, a movie was aura farming. Anytime the hero held the huge machine gun with the bullet straps out to the side in his other hand and just shoot some, that was the coolest pose to do. The Jordan logo silhouette thing like was coming, but the holding your own bullet straps as you just blast them all over was so fucking cool. And he does it a bunch of times. Shot down to the ground of all the caps from the bullets then back to, yeah, I'm with you. I love it. And it tosses the rifle at the end like it's a bat flip and walks to find Murdoch. I'm always going to be happy buttering my ass knife sharpening and holding your own bullet straps. Mine is one I've mentioned before, but bad guys shooting basically point blank at our stars and not being able to draw any iron just shooting air balls. It always makes me laugh. I always enjoy the geometry of it. They have to hide it with the camera angles because you want the guys somewhat close together, but it also has to be believed that they're just far away enough that they would have missed these shots, but it's, you know, it's 20 feet away and they're just boom, but kid hit anything. Really ridiculous. What's age the best? What you choose to call hell, he calls home. One of those rare lines that also could have worked in any Halloween movie. Yeah. It was a horror movie or an action movie line. Pretty great. I also had having a true villain for movies in the 80s, like you just saw the Russian name, you saw the Russian letters 40 minutes and you're like, oh boy, the Russians. Yeah. Oh shit. They're involved. Yes. I don't know who that is now. We just have too many villains. I don't even know that there's nothing like that of the immediate impact of seeing the Russian letters. No, now it's like the machines are gonna kill us all. Yeah. That's it. But there's a moment in that movie where the POWs are like Russian mother fuckers. And the Russians make an entrance like on their helicopter and their camouflage and it jumps. It's like an okay mother fucker jump up a notch, right? Yeah. The Russians have all coughs there. He's making it stand for the national anthem. Yes. I have a couple more, but what do you have for what's age the best? It's Troutman. I love Troutman. And I have a take on it. Troutman is really just a pro wrestling manager. He's there to rep his guy. He's there to hype this guy. He's Paul. He is for this whole movie. Troutman's like, let me tell you something, mean Jean. Rambo is the best combat that I've ever seen. The million dollar man Ted D. Bias is going to learn. He's a pure fighting machine. And if winning the intercontinental belt means he has to die in that ring, he will die summer slam, which you call hell. He calls home. He's constantly doing it. Yeah. And Troutman has all these quickie one lighters about Rambo, you know, that like, you're not hunting him. He's hunting you. I feel like he workshops them. Yeah. I feel like he's got like a tape recorder for all his Rambo lines. I just love how he reps John and he speaks in these sound bites and he calls him Johnny. I love the Troutman character. The first time we see him, he comes in because somebody's like something about God. And it's like, God didn't make Rambo. I did. He gets his entrance. First love and the series. If I was going to fly a little closer to the sun, my next hotter take would be that secretly Troutman is in love with Rambo. And I'd go into that. But you know, I built after the Karate Kid 2 pod, I had so many people on my Instagram comments. You guys are crazy about Miyagi and Larusa. Like you take it too far, man. You guys are nuts. I had so many comments about that. And like, Bill, I think it's kind of strange that like a high school kid's only friend is an old man who builds a bedroom for him and travels around the world. But yeah, I'm not going to apologize for that. I got a long email from somebody who was basically like, you don't understand the pain of losing a father. And Miyagi filled that void for him. But I'm like, or it's fucking weird that these two guys got all the time. Um, the, among the comments I got, the only thing weird here is you two weirdos. Then it's how sick do you have to be? And then my favorite one, gay guys are always looking for gay stuff. And then he goes on to say that you and I quote, definitely have puffed a few pickles. And I'm like, that's that guy's Instagram comment for the day. We're just talking credit kid too. You go with it where you want. So screw it. I think Troutman is in love. You think he think he put for it most pickle. This guy does. I have a couple more what's the best for me. Cameron's original screenplay began with Troutman finding Rambo in a psychiatric hospital instead of a prison. And, and then I'm getting changed to the prison, followed away. He used to terminator too. Sarah Connor doing full ups in the room. Sure. That what it works. Hot shots, part two. It's a fairly funny movie, but they get a lot of, they basically take everything that's in Rambo anyway, which was funny and dialed up a notch. But I thought, I actually thought UHF probably did it better. UHF does it beautifully. I love that part of the movie. Here's my number one though. So Rambo meets Murdoch. I just personally love reading the resume scenes to set the place. So do I do. And he does the Rambo John J. Born July 6, 1947. Indian German descent joined our meats and just goes through helicopter and language qualified 59 confirmed kills. I was thinking what a mistake it was that we didn't do this the first time you were on the rewatchables where I was like Kyle Brandt, Princeton football, real world Chicago, work for Jim Rome for nine years. Good morning, football with Peter Schroeger. Now it's here. I'm going to start reading the resume for everybody that comes on and you look at me like skeptically over your glasses. You said, "Care to explain why you never did the real world challenge, son." And I was like, well, it was a tough time. Life, sir. Dark time. Are you afraid to see T. What was going on there? Any time a character says, "I've been looking over your file. You're about to get some good shit." Yeah. So they say 59 confirmed kills, two Silver Star, four bronze, four purple hearts, distinguished service, service cross and a metal bonner. So I would solve resume. I was kind of expecting a little bit more. If this guy's the Michael Jordan of American Killing Machines, I was expecting like 559 kills. Doesn't he about to have his 63 point game against the Celtics in the garden? Because this is coming now. Good point. Great shot, Gordon, award most cinematic shot. I don't know, probably the knife sharpener when he's tying the bandana on with his oiled muscles. I think that greatest shot is the Russian soldier over his shoulder. The eye just opens in the mud. And you like as a kid is the coolest thing you've ever seen. Good call. Hans Gruber's gear of villain ranking. Petro Petro Pacoff, whatever his name was. Yeah. Probably a two out of 10 for me. I don't feel like they really developed that character at all. I didn't really believe the Russian accent either. He had my interest when we were talking about putting a smoldering knife inside a POW's eyeball. Yeah. But then he didn't have the balls to do it. The real Gruber would have immediately put it in one of his eyes and says, "Now tell me or I'll do the second one." Yeah. That's how you get on. So pretty live like three, five. I left you one. Murdoch, I think, is a seven or seven and a half though. How come? Lies about where he served in NAM and 66. That's pretty good. Stolen Valor. Lies about the mission. Lies to Troutman leaves Rambo just to die with the POW's. Yeah. And he's just trying to save his ass left and right. So leaving handable electric took care of him later. Yes. That's true. I wonder if there's some expanded universe where that's Murdoch and like he went into law enforcement after he left. Oh, this is great. Murdoch gets kicked out of the military and then just becomes a security guard in whatever city that was. Chicago. Baltimore. Yeah. Kid Cuddy pursued a happiness award for Best Needle Drop. We don't really have one, but I do have a new award. And I'm putting this in the category list. The Frank's the Loan Award for Worst Needle Drop. Perfect. Perfect. Frank makes the rundown. If you hear Frank, it's probably not going to be good. With that said, I do enjoy this staying a live song. Yeah. Dinah. Dinah. Dinah. Not bad. Was there a better title for this movie? So we could have gone first blood, too. We could have gone Rambo, too. Instead, we did Rambo, first blood part, too, to set up because the Loan wanted the third one be called Rambo, three. I honestly, nobody calls this movie Rambo, first blood part, too. Not one person. I remember as a kid being confused about it. Why it wasn't just Rambo, too. Yeah. Again, I think Rocky, Rocky, it slides like I need the title of the movie to be my character. Like I am with Rocky. And we're going to make that right on the second one. And it was probably smart. Just call it Rambo, too. Would you have for a flex category? All right. We had a couple options. I was going to repurpose the Judd Nelson guy who's in his own movie and doing his own thing into the Romeo dobs guy who's in his own game and doing his own thing. And we're not sure what planet he's on. I was going to do that one for you. But instead, I mean, it's sitting right there. Somebody's got to do it. I got the Elizabeth shoe inventing cold fusion award for our girl co. Listen, yes. Of course, an attractive woman could be in the military in South Vietnam. This girl is outrageously hot with an oozy in the jungle. And they do this thing where they, they get her in an evening gown and makeup because she poses as a prostitute to get in the camp. Yeah. And then she's in that for the rest of her life. And wouldn't you also, speaking of files, don't you think Troutman might have said to, to Rambo that like, by the way, you know, this, this contact you're going to have, she's great at covert ops and, and, and infantry weapons. But I got to tell you, Johnny, this is probably a real looker. I mean, a full smoke stack, Johnny. There's nothing in that about it that even takes it off. She's like a model they found in Hawaii. And God bless her. She had a long career. But she's disarmingly attractive as this person in the middle of the jungle running around. I fully support the casting. I think if you're going to nitpick, I feel like everybody in the jungle would have remembered her at some point. Right? She, yeah, you don't forget her in the jungle message boards. They're like, yeah, there's this one, this lady co, just a smoke show, just watch out for her. Lady co, stuns, and oozy chic, serving tea, but she's girlfriend of word, weak link in the film. We could have gone with what you just said. The bigger thing is, Rambo just should have died in multiple scenes in this movie, including when he comes back after the aborted helicopter escape and all the guys come in closer to him, but they capture him instead of just shooting him when they've been shooting at him for the last five minutes. I know. I know. I don't understand why the Russians didn't kill them, why didn't they bound his hands? Why nobody was able to shoot him when he's basically one against 200. And he just never even gets like a like a bullet like glancing his arm. Nothing. Nobody touches him. He's there's one point where Co's like, oh, you heard bad. It's like not really. He just had 50 guys shoot at him. He's fine. It's a really it's a really cumbersome thing that the Russians are trying to get him to radio in that he's not here and don't come. It doesn't make a lot of sense. They probably should have just actually. Yeah, that part. Oh, that's not great. What's takes away? Oh, go. No, I got but you're going to love the weak link. The ending of the movie is not satisfying enough. First of all, Murdoch doesn't really get any justice. And then more importantly, there should have been a fight between Rambo and Chris. And I'm thinking maybe a knife fight or a fist fight because Chris is Chris. They don't like each other from the beginning. And I think it could have had one of those real like Mel Gibson versus Gary Bucy on the lawn or Dalton versus Jimmy where it's like Rambo. I always wanted to try you. You know, and then he like he gets the upper hand on me. It's just like you're not so bad. Rambo, you know, like we needed that fight. And I also think we needed a better fight between Nicola Jokic and Rambo on the helicopter because he does the Russian doesn't speak at all. And I was thinking that like at one point during the fight when he has the upper hand on Rambo and he's like maybe as a knife to his throat, I just think he gets right in Rambo's ear and he says, I used to fuck guys like you. And that would be like, oh shit. Now we've got something more fights and killing at the end. I think when Rambo gets avenged. I mean, he like punches crease. And that's it. It's kind of dumb. It's a really great point about crease. I think the solution would have been because he he lands on the plane with the POWs. And he goes to find Murdoch, but Creece greets him. Yes. And it was like, good to see you alive or whatever said in Rambo, punches him in the stomach and then knocks him out. I think the move maybe is he goes by everybody and goes to see Murdoch, but Creece is in the way. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it's just the two of them. And they have like a little like fight in the, you know, in the first room before he gets the Murdoch might have been moved. Then we could have seen some karate. Creece could have done some, you know. Yeah. Imagine if he did all that. That's Cobra Kai shit. That would be great. And then the craziest thing is that Williams ab because they're two right. He comes out. Yeah. Holding his whole the second place trophy. It's right. What's age to worse? This was devastating. This is in the research. Co was killed. Rambo's holding her. And if you watch it, it cuts pretty quickly away. Apparently, they ran this movie for the test audiences. Code dies and Rambo's holding her. And then he goes, no, no. And Scream no three times. And the camera zooms out. And apparently the test audiences thought this was absolutely hysterical. And laughing. So I get this morning. I was looking for it all over the place. I still own us destroyed our copies. But so they kind of abruptly cut away from her dying. And it was because of the three nose that made test audiences laugh their asses off. And I can't think of anything you and I would have enjoyed more. Bill, I was moved when you just did it right now. Like I was into that. We need that. And they, if they had to know now, the stuff that the audience was laughing at, keep that in. That's the good stuff, guys. Yeah, this is a comedy action movie. Yes. There was a tie-in video game called Rambo produced for basically all the systems in the 86 bad video game. Really disappointing. I don't understand why they, how they fucked that one up. Because this is as video games were, you know, starting to get better. And this is a pretty easy drop this guy. He has a mission. Now he's going to complete the. I don't understand how they, how they bought that one. Typically it's, it's time frame-based. They have to rush it to get out in time with the movie. Yeah. The better video game legacy for this movie is a great game called the Curry Warriors that they made on Nintendo. And you could play side by side. And the guys all looked like Rambo with the headbands and stuff. But they, the IP wasn't directly linked or it was and then fell off. But the Rambo game, you're talking about the sock that I had it. The only other thing I had for Woods Age to Worst is I, you know, I'm a big fan of the Michigan action franchise, Chuck Doris. Yeah. Missing an action one is effectively the plot for this movie. And it comes out a year before. And then missing an action two comes out same years this movie, which are prequel. We go back to see how he escapes. Okay. Now James Cameron started working on the script in '83. Missing an action. I'm not accusing plagiarism here. I'm just saying that missing an action one came out and was basically the same plot as this movie. This is just a thing that happened. There was a lot of copy and of homework going on right now. A lot. Yeah. What do you have for Woods Age to Worst? Anything? A lot we covered. Obviously, you know, listen, the depiction of the Viet Cong, the exploitation of the POWs, the characterization of the Vietnamese. You know what say is the worst? Mortars. There's the great mortar scene and they're very cinematic. But like in the mid eighties to still be using it, you got two people running through this valley. They're not even hitting them with the more. These guys can't hit them with a gun. What makes you think they're going to be able to do the geometry and the trajectory of basically what amounts to like war cornhole if the target was moving. Great cinematic stuff. It is, but like not effective weaponry by the mid eighties. You got to leave that one. Yeah. Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck, Partridge overacting word. We covered this earlier. It's now the last, the Rambo 2 underacting word. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? I think this is my hottest taking a while. First go. And as you know, I love this movie. Yeah. Rambo 2. 1985 Vietnam movies. I think I've watched missing in action two more times than Rambo 2. Okay. I'm a huge missing in action two guy. It has one of the random great scenes of the entire eighties at the end when Chuck Norris has to basically this really evil guy has torturing him and the other POWs. It's just like the worst guy. And at the end, they just end in this cabin. And they just have this fight to the death. And it's one of the best fights to the deaths of that whole decade. And maybe the last 45 years, the movie itself is not that good, but the fight to the death. It's like, this is like the end of Karate Kid multiplied by a hundred and Chuck, like, this is a really good scene. And I just feel like I've watched that scene more times than any scene in this movie. Even though I probably seen this movie 20 times, I just, I feel like I'm letting you down. I've not seen that movie. I wish I could be there for you, but it was a cable rewatchable. It was just on a lot for like a year and it would always suck me in. But what do you have for how to stay? Well, I'm going to watch that movie. And I'm going to watch the movie where Troutman gets raped. So I got a full weekend ahead of him. I wish I could reach you back. Yeah. Go ahead. That doubt on YouTube. All right. Here's a movie you've seen. We're talking Slive versus Schwarzenegger. We're talking all their great movies in the mid 80s. Predator is probably in my top five movies ever made. Dude, Predator rips off Rambo too big time. Let me run it down big time. Here we go. We traveled to a far away jungle that is actually shot in Mexico. The best in the business arrives with an older officer there. He immediately sniffs out the bureaucrat who's wearing the tie. There's a nighttime insertion into the jungle and something goes immediately wrong. They arrive at a village. There's hostages. There's a shootout. There's an indigenous woman who becomes an ally. Then he loses all his modern weapons and has to resort to a bow and arrow. He covers himself in mud to conceal himself from the enemy. There's these other other primitive McGiver type weapons. And at the end of the movie when he's got the bad guy dead to rights, he has the weapon over his hand. And then he drops it and decides not to kill him. There's a lot of fly getting his homework copied by Schwarzenegger and I am a predator guy. And we did predator years ago, you, me, Shay and CR. But to the note, I feel like Predator just had his hand in this Rambo 2 cookie jar. It's a compelling case. It's a lot. The covering in mud and everything and the guy in the tie. It's very close. Really speaks to the rivalry. That's what I'm saying. It's like not only do I not like you. I'm going to steal some stuff from your movie. Casting what ifs there's three mediocre ones and then a really good one. No, I can't wait. Dolph Lungren was initially a Padovsky. Still known realized he was also going to be Drago pulled him. Lee Marvin was supposed to be Colonel Troutman in the first film turned it down. Turned down Murdoch for the second one. They really wanted Lee Marvin and ends up being Charles Napier. And then they were filming a lot of this movie in Mexico where there were really no Asian actors. They had to go to Chinese restaurants and get people working in those restaurants as extras on the local Chinese restaurants. But this one was amazing. The carol co producers are guys. They really want a Rambo to have a partner for the POW Rescue Mission. They wanted John Travolta to play Rambo's sidekick. Is that true? And Stallone vetoed the idea because they were buddies from staying alive. Yo, what is going on here? Like he's like Vinny Barbarino and Vietnam with Rambo. By the way, I think I want to see that movie. Hey, Johnny, like Joe's kind of Foxy, right? Oh my God. Joe's giving me the googly eyes. Yeah, there was going to be a scene. I don't know if you know this. They're walking through the jungle and the Rambo's buddies like, hey, Johnny, you know what they call it? a quarter pound of cheese in Ho Chi Minh City. - A quarter, quarter, quarter pound of cheese. - Damn, man, I got the metric system. I don't know what the fucking quarter pounder is. It's back and forth, buddy humor. - I think it's a better movie. I've been on it. - That's awesome. - Joey Pantsawware, best that guy. We go and Steven Burkoff for Charles Napier. - I don't think I knew his name was Charles Napier. I don't. I know his work very well, but I don't think if you ask me, what is this actor's name, I would know it. Also, I think it's Napier because he shows up in the cable guy and he's a cop in blues, just playing his sound salam's character as like a joke. I think it's Napier, but if you know his name that well, - Well, he has a more important movie, or a more important part in the movie. Dianne Waders' word, I mean, it's done. It's indoor aviators guy. I don't know. - Yeah. - Steven Waders is life for forget about it. - When he doesn't let Trump and leave and he just puts his leg on the chair to block him. - Fucking awesome. - Yes. And then recasting couch director of city, obviously Travolta's the answer. I have a recasting song. - Oh, for the end? - For the end. What if it just kicks it in a born in the USA by Springsteen as he's walking away? That would have fucking incredible. And he's just walking through, yeah. That would have been awesome. I don't know if Bruce would have signed off on that. - I'm gonna say Bruce would not have signed off. Anyway, okay, we're gonna take one more break and then I've finished the putt. All right, so Craig's not with us today 'cause he's traveling, so he didn't get his flex category. But we are gonna go right to half-asserate research, film was shot in Mexico and Thailand. Sadly, a special effects guy was accidentally killed during one of the waterfall explosions. Cliff Wenger lost his footing and fell to his death. So sorry about that. Video was released in early '86, sold 425,000 units on opening day. - Let's go. - We should mention, those movies were $80 back then? - Yeah. This is-- - When they would come out to buy, they would make them impossibly expensive for some reason, but that's just how it was for awhile. - 'Cause they wanted you to rent them, I guess. - So anyway. - But sometimes you'd run through that stop sign just fucking buy it, don't care what, I'm getting ramble too. - So they broke the records set by Ghostbusters. Film was banned in the Soviet Union, fucking cowards. At the time of the filming, we still had 2,500 real-life Vietnam POWs. - Sorry to hear that. - I'm just gonna read this verbatim 'cause this was in the research. - Let's do it. - Many funny things happened during the shoot, including Stallone getting panced by Crenna during an interview by Maria Schreiber. As retaliation slied through a cream pie in Crenna's face during his respective interview, also mud fights between the actors were common. I have no idea if this is true. - All right, I just, he was on the hot seat right now as the Stephen Seagull shitting on himself a word from most unbelievable onset story. - That might've, that could've been in the category, I guess. I probably should've put that as a Seagull. Crenna doesn't strike me as the pancing type of knucklehead. - Maybe he was really the rape or richer back. Maybe he was really going through something. - Try to, try to say. - Or maybe he was free of a Schreiber and Stallone wanted to be panicked. - Yeah, maybe he's still or never know, who knows. - What do you think was the body count of this movie? - Well, doesn't you say he has 50-some confirmed kills in his entire military, before this? If he'd already had, let's say, 56 or whatever the number is, it's like 40, maybe. - 85 total, 74 from Rambo. Holy shit. - I think that grenade launchers from the helicopter, probably, yeah, probably padded the numbers a little bit. Apex mountain, sliced alone. It's either this or Rocky IV, but we're, he's on the mountain, literally and figuratively because he's climbing the mountain in Rocky IV doing. - Drogo! - Yeah, and same year. - Yeah. - But it's 85, this is about as Apex mountain is, it gets. Vietnam movies, I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say late 70s for quality. And then I think, honestly, Platoon win in the Oscar. - 81, the best picture, I don't know how that's not Apex mountain, right? - I know. I think it's Platoon. And I know people go hard for some of the ones in the 70s, but I think it's Platoon. - Plus after that, we get full metal jacket, we get casualties of war. We're still going all the way through the 80s. Ronald Reagan, this might have been Apex mountain for him right here. Second term, Rambo, it's battling the Russians. His popularity is probably never higher. He's still relatively healthy, I think. So I would say. - Yeah, I was gonna go, I was gonna say Uncle Sam. - Uncle Sam, yeah, Uncle Sam, I'm Ronald Reagan. - Is this it? Like our United States of America, are we there? - Yeah, we just cleaned up in the summer Olympics. We're, - Come on. - Ronald's drinking Coca-Cola. Mary Lou retains everywhere, is every movie is good. - Make a Jordans here. - Let's go, 85 Bears. - Julie Nixon, yes. The Cold War. I mean, you have this and then you have Rocky IV, six months later, plus all the other things I mentioned. I do feel like this is probably the peak, 85. We were still afraid of a nuclear war, but having fun with it. - I think what hurts the case here is there's no nuke talk in this movie. Not that I can think of. And nuke talk was everywhere there. - Yeah. - Grenade launchers. I don't really have any other apex mountain stuff. Oh, Martin Cove. - No, no, I think it's, I think it's still quite a good one. - Kid one, okay. - Yeah. But we've had this conversation. Is this apex mountain for knives and movies? Because knives were really fucking hot at this time and hear me out, crocodile Dundee did a whole thing with knives and they have a whole scene about that's not a knife, that's a knife. I almost think it might be Paul Hogan a year later one up in even Rambo's knife is iconic. - Well, so that would tie in the cobra too then. So Cove and crocodile Dundee together. - Yeah, that's, so we're a year away. We're setting up apex mountain for knives. So still a year away. And plus we had the Gensu ads at this point. - Big time. - Huge. - Crews or hanks, crews? - I think crews, somewhere when this movie's being shot, he's on the set of legends. We're Ridley Scott and he sees Rambo hanging on the side of a plane. He's like, yes, someday, so Vester Stallone, thank you. And he was like, someday that's what I'm going to do and Ridley Scott's like, get over to your kid. - Files it away. - Fired up. - The Borat Sagadov, Rancid Body Otor Award. - So glad to hear it. - Normally you'd give it to Rambo here after dangling in a pool of sewage, but no, it's got to be his POW buddy. Who he carries on his shoulders. And Rambo probably has no sense of smell left. I'm guessing at that point, but there's no way I'm just, I don't think anyone smells good in this movie. Honestly, I think you could give it across the board. Maybe co-smiles okay, but for the most part, we're just in a hot jungle. There's no showers, there's sewage everywhere. I just think it's a, it's a nasal frenzy. - Can you first of all imagine that poor Vester POW who's been having rats and spiders on it for how many years, he gets freed and the first person he runs into is co. - And she's all right. - Where did you come from, my hallucinating? Also to the body odor, I could make the hot take is that I think Murdoch might have smelled worse than the POW dough. - Oh, interesting. - 'Cause she's wildly persperating for the entire movie. - True, he's got the big sweat patches. - Oh yeah, like that's his little move. He's patting himself. I don't think there's a lot of speed stick around there. - So you have Murdoch, Fandoods are that he was 20 to one smelly as guy in the movie, but you'd like it. - I think the Rams missed the playoffs at plus 500. It's like, I'm zagging, I like this. - This is like the Titans winning the AFC this year is that Murdoch somehow is the smelliest one on the movie. - I like it. - Make a question. - The Rick Chiquetti guard me to word, for most memorable death by a security guard or other by a standard who the movie treats is inconsequential, but who probably had a spouse and kids who love him? Rambo gets in that helicopter and at some point it's just him and the pilot and it cuts to a wide shot and he just pushes the pilot to his death. That poor guy probably didn't want to be there. I don't even know who he seemed American, not Russian. Just doing like a, and all of a sudden falling to his death. - Can you imagine Rocky or Rambo is just beating the big Russian guy, then he goes towards the front, takes out that fucking knife and the guy's like, I'm just jumping. - Right, I'm not messing with this guy. - It just cuts to, it's not like he jumps in the water. It's like just rocks and-- - No, he's due to his death. - Yeah. - And it happens in T2 again. The T1000 gets in the helicopter, goes get out and the guy just jumps out of the helicopter. - First blood has a two when he comes out of the cave after the rats and all that stuff and he jumps in that Jeep and just tells the guy get out and the guy just jumps or go in 40 miles an hour. Picket Knits. So we learned in the beginning, Rambo serving an eight year prison sentence for assaulting a police officer, murdering a deputy. I think they can frame that guy who falls out of the helicopter 'cause Rambo threw the rock. That's at least like involuntary manslaughter. Attempted murder of a sheriff. He does shoot Will Tizle a few times through the roof. Destroys, how many millions of dollars of property? He destroys an entire town, $10 million. - Probably $10 million. - $15 million bucks. And they're like, well, he did some good stuff in the world, eight years. years. I feel like it's more than eight years. That feels like a 20 year sentence at least. Yeah, you can't kill law enforcement. I know that he was under duress and all that, but yeah, probably he got a very favorable judge. Great lawyer. Yes, great lawyer. What's going on in the beginning with the prisoners and Rambo just hammering rocks? I'm not sure. It looks metal. It looks really heavy metal. Looks cool. What's the ultimate goal of this? Are they trying to split the rocks in half or are they trying to get jewelry out of this? What are they doing? They're like, they're looking for rubies and stuff. No, I think they, I guess they make like gravel and stuff and try to need smaller rocks from big rocks to get carried out of there. It's just basically supposed to look badass when he's swinging that hammer. That's all. Okay. Now, you you're going to know this better than maybe because you're a big workout guy. Okay. Rambo is absolutely jacked, but doesn't eat anything for this entire movie. Great. Do you lose? Do you lose muscle mass if you're not eating it off? Don't you need to eat like 5,000 calories a day to sustain that immediately? First of all, he needs at least 250 grams of protein every single day. He needs to be down on the ground doing diamond push-ups and pull-ups every five seconds. Even co at one point, it's like you want some food rambos. No, no, no, like you need like a cliff bar or something. Right. I love that you brought that up because like real workout nerds watch this movie and be like that, that thing's going. That was kind of abs. We'll go in a few days if you don't hammer that perfect. I feel like my instincts were right. Rambos there for how many days do we think? 36 hours. Well, 36 hours till the extraction and then probably another day or two after that. So maybe three or four days. No facial hair, stubble at all. We know Stallone can grow a beard. Oh, yeah. Nothing like a little go-toe, nothing. And you know what would have been bad ass and I better get cut. How about he shaves with that knife like Mindy does that would have been a cool sin. Yeah. I have one more, but did you have any nitpicks because I have one more good one. Yeah. During the helicopter scene, which is pretty much Daenerys Targaryen and Dracara just setting fire to the entire city. Is he positive? Which of those shacks has the POWs in it? Cause they all look pretty much the same. He blows up 15 different edifices, but then leaves the one that has all the American POWs. And it makes me nervous every time as he's losing his mind and screaming at the scene. He's going to see this once from the ground. Yeah. Somehow knows the era of view. He knows exactly what hut not to shoot the grenade at. That's the same thing. There's no laser targeting. There's no rate. It's just from the hip and like, he could have just blown them all up. It makes me nervous every time I watch him. Maybe that's why he started screaming. All right. Here's my big one. I think this movie ends when he walked, when you say he walks away, what happens to Rambo? Yeah. Right. What is the next two minutes look like for him, next two hours, next two days? I'm going to tell you what happens. He immediately dies of a severe bacterial infection from being dangled in that sewage pit for 12 hours. There's no way your body, I can't even imagine what kind of sickness you would get from that. They think about that. Think of all the stuff that was in there combined with the leeches, but this is the kind of untreated feces and pee and every bad thing that is happening in this village and they just have them hanging out in there. At one point, like the helicopter lands and it shoots the water in his face, I just think he has hepatitis A, B, C, D, E, F and G. First seven letters of hepatitis C has it by the end of this movie. I think each year, probably the worst 30 seconds of my calendar year is about the one time a year that I am at some sort of event that demand that I use a porta-potty and I go in there and you look down to that World War III hell on earth that's down there. He was standing in that for who knows how long with leeches all over his body and it's pig shit. Sewage leeches. Disgusting. It's soldiers eating God knows what shit now God knows what and he just doesn't even break his facial expression. The stench alone in that pit is absolutely important. This is Andy DeFran going through the sewage pipe, but it's an entire river of it. And Andy DeFran is puking the entire time he's doing it, but Andy DeFran is not the perfect killing machine. This does go back to my theory that Rambo had lost a sense of smell a long time before. I think he was an early strain of COVID. I think he's over there and he's lost a sense of smell. You got it first. Sequel prequel, Prestige, TVL, Black Caster, Untouchable. So they did two more sequels, neither which we like. What would have been it's rough? If you had had a third Rambo and we were in charge, what would the third Rambo movie be? If we're doing this correctly, what is it? Because to me, I would have come back to America and moved more into the die hard, sudden death, toy soldiers, under siege, kind of area where he's now John Rambo's working as a cook on a, basically he could have been under Sequel and under siege. I would have moved that way in Rambo 3 and not made it even more complicated and geopolitical. I would not have done that. Well, yeah, you run into it. We did it with credit could too. Go back to where it all started. Go back to your roots. That's great. That's for two. For three, you come back home and can I talk you into a character shows up who is the relative or son of someone from Rambo 1? Like maybe Brian Denny, he's son from the small town, comes to find Rambo 2. I enjoy that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Young Teasel. Jackie Teasel shows up. And he likes Rambo right away. Maybe he's going to turn on him. We're not sure. Yes. Or the guy that he goes to see at the beginning of first blood, maybe it's that he has some sort of a cancer. Yeah. We need those characters coming back. That's how that shit works. Like die hard three. The villain wants Hans Groover's brother. And that kind of worked for us. I do like the idea of him of John Rambo just being the lead character and sudden death was John Cloud Von Dom where it's just John Rambo. Oh, yeah. He's just now working as a security guard in a Pittsburgh Penguins arena or something and then has to become John Rambo. I would have gone that way. What if he just comes back and he's like, he does the rampad and it's just like just him and his new potter and it's just him telling stories. Exactly. Ram pod. I'm into it. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the Flores, St. Lo, Ted Levine or someone else? What do you got for us? You know, one thing we haven't covered is when Johnny just draws up a play in the dirt when his helicopter is wounded and he simulates that it crashed and he goes to sleep and he does the rocket launcher. It's like a preposterously clutch moment. And the best part about it, Bill, is that if you look in the background in one of the rice patties, there's an announcer's table and Gus Johnson is sitting right there and he doesn't know. You got to you got to look really closely, but I actually have the call that goes like this. It goes John Rambo. Young fella. Hahahaha. Puttin' commies and South Vietnam leaves still up his asshole. Pretends he's dead and shoots the bazooka through the windshield. Bingo bastard blown out of the sky. Bring that man to my talk. Ha ha. You did it again. I love you guys. You think Colin Ford was next to him? Oh, I don't know, Bill. It's just an incredible. I guess I can't believe what John Rambo did right there. I just can't. He just how can you play dead after you killed 130 people? He's terrible. I don't know. I shouldn't have figured that out. He's playing dead. Obviously he's not dead. Just want to ask her who gets it? Frank's the loan for peace in our earth. Somebody in the Stallone family has to get it. Yes. I guess it's special effects because that they get nominated. I have two unanswerable questions for you. Yes. I have one for you. What a Murdoch's next couple years look like. Maybe it ends with him as the security guard and sounds of lambs. Maybe that was the actual ending. You know what the sad part is? No, he falls upward, dude. He's going to get great. Oh, interesting government jobs. Fuck that guy. You know people like that. I know people like that. He will fall upward. Blue shirt, khaki, please. Absolutely, dude. He is going to get paid more and be powerful and risk more American lives. No, he'll fall upward. Okay. When was the last time John Rambo got laid if you're just going into the prism of this movie? We know he gets out of the late 70s and kind of drifts around for a few years. Is there a girlfriend in there? Is there is he dating somebody? Has he just sworn off? Has he just asexual? How does he get his rocks off? It's a great question. We have the stretch in the camp and the rock breaking camp after the rest issue. You have the timeline. It basically boils down to is Johnny Rambo, the guy who pays for it. Is he going to do that? I can't answer that question. I know soldiers over there. We're doing all kinds of things back in the day. But I'll tell you this gets back on that horse real fast. No explanation goes for it. So my answer would have to be, is a horny man? Is this a man with needs? I think he found a way. I don't think it's been that long. Yeah. I think probably didn't chase it. I think transactional relationships probably were working there for a couple of years. Listen, I would also ask did he get laid in prison? But I don't want everybody to get mad that I would insinuate that about John Rambo. Pickle puffers. What do you have for an answerable questions? All right, Bill Simmons. Here we go. Are you a slide guy or an Arnold guy? I'm a slide guy. And - By the way, I should have mentioned, he is now in third place all time for the rewatchables at 13 tied with Robert DeNiro. - Crews is first. - Yeah. - And then who? - Hanks, maybe. - Pacino. - Or Pacino? - Yeah. - You're a slag eye over Arnold. - Yeah, so the complete list right now now that we've done this, we've done 454 movies. Crews 18, Pacino 14, DeNiro and Stallone 13, Denzel 12, Arnold is only at eight, but we have some good Arnold movies left. I think, I think Sly, I think Arnold's peak was probably better, but I think Sly's body work is pretty, pretty crazy. We're going from 76 all the way to basically the expendables with Sly. We haven't even done the expendables yet. - Like, put it this way, Sly's 80, okay? At some point, we're gonna wake up and look at fucking Twitter and we're gonna see that tweet and it's gonna suck. - Yeah. - And it's like, we're gonna see it for Arnold too. And I'm trying to like, which one would knock the wind out of me harder? I personally am a little bit more of an Arnold guy, just a little bit. - I get it. - But these are like, I feel like these men raised me. I feel like they're my uncle Sly, my uncle Arnold. And I don't know, I knew you were gonna say Sly. - But I think they've reached where like, Bird and Magic reached and some other people like, when after a while you stop thinking about the rivalry, the competition, and they're kind of linked together. I really do think these two guys are like linked together. They're making basically most of the good action movies for 15, 20 years here. So. - How do you feel like now when you'll see Sly and some showing up at some event or doing some project? Like, he's had a ton of work done, but like, who gives a fuck? He's still up there. He's kind of in shape, he looks good. He's still working. Like, I always feel kind of proud when I see him. And Arnold looks great too. - Yeah, I think Sly, I don't like when he read it, it's stuff that he did. - Okay, yeah. - Like when he redid the Rocky IV with his new cut with new scenes and took out stuff, I'm like, leave shit alone Sly, you're legacy secure. Made a bunch of great shit. There's movies he did that we haven't even done on rewatchables yet that I've wanted to do like Daylight, which I've tried to talk you into for a while. Lock up in prison, which has the greatest non-sports movie sports scene ever in a movie. - The question I get the most about this podcast, and I get a lot is, how do you pick the movies? And I always say there's a lot of different ways that come from Bill, but my favorite one is occasionally there'll be a Daylight where you'll basically be like, dude, like, I need this. - Yeah. - Get up to my level on Daylight. So do this for me. - Please do this for me. - Please do this. Remember Bill, you'd most want from this movie. - Let me get your answer first, and then I have some interesting facts on this. - All right, well, I would say I want the combo of I want the actual Red Headband and Cos necklace that he wears at the end, which barely fits around his neck. And I think that's about Ashtand. I'm like, those were probably sold somewhere the real ones that exist. But what do you have? - I really wanted the machine gun with the bullet, so you could drape the bullets over here. - It's fucking awesome. I kind of love that. - And I was Googling it, and Stallone did an auction thing for a lot of his stuff in 2021, which I somehow missed. The Rambo 2 knife that you mentioned earlier went for $51,000. - Awesome. - The archery bow, you think it went for more or less? - Less. - Movie used archery bow, 28K. - I knew it. - And then the machine gun, 16K, which I think was the buy for you to do those. - You sound like you would have gone all in on the knife, though. - The knife is iconic, and they sold that knife to children, and it was a little pack with a grenade and like all Rockies' other gear. That was the symbol of the movie. Like it's, and it's really cool when you watch it. Basically, the second character in the movie after Slime. - Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, where best words, life lesson. - Well, just kill Rambo, just take them out. Don't be like with all of these movies. Just take the guy out. You've already killed all these other people, and done horrible things. Don't let the guy linger. Don't let him dangle in a sewage pool. Don't, don't electrocute him when he's not gonna die. Just, just fucking kill him. Get it over with. Take about. - That's the Scott Evil, Dr. Evil thing. Why don't you just shoot off the power. - Yeah, just shoot it, it's the Scott Evil. - I have a gun in my room. - It's the Scott Evil life lesson. Just fucking kill him. - It's always great advice. I want to get this one out of the buzzer. Every office place can be cool if you make it. That hang that they have with Murdoch, I kind of want to like go and have a fantasy draft there. Like just the box score on that place. You know when it hits me? Is when Murdoch's like, "Give me something cold to drink." And they open the Coke machine. No coins. None of that just reach in there. I would bet my life that that place has a stack of playboys, a foosball machine, cigarettes around Thailand. There's gonna be great takeout food. There's probably karaoke. - Decent coffee. - I kind of want to hang there. There's beers later, you know for sure. And by the end of that movie, I'm like, fuck the jungle. I want to go hang with Murdoch and get one of those cold sodas that I'd love that place. - So it's basically like a hanger that they put some boards up to surround to make it like seem like an office. But then they had all these nooks and crannies. Definitely a TV with some sort of weird antenna where they could probably get football games or. - It sounds pretty cool, right? - Yeah, you'd take out the crease, you'd take out the indoor aviators guy. - Yeah, he's just wearing the aviators at 10 and 8. I'm with you, it was a cool office. Double feature choice, it's gotta be first blood, right? Go first blood, then you go Rambo 2. Ben and I did it two weekends ago. - How was that? - Honestly, I keep saying honestly in this podcast. - That's good, shoot me straight. - He loved first blood. - Okay. - First blood is still a fucking banger. It's so good. It's just a really, really good movie with like a message, natural action. Will Tizle, I can kinda see it a little bit from his side, but he's also the villain. You know, I don't like him. There's some Korean War background with him where there's clearly like some Korean War of Vietnam War, bad blood. It's just a really well drawn out character. I like that he's Caruso's in there and Chris Mulkey. And I don't know, it's just really, really. It just holds up so well. And then it moves right into the second movie that's basically just, you know, a popcorn movie. But the combo of it was really nice. - It's like the first one, that image of Rambo with like the jacket on the side of the road. He's so emo and hurt and wounded. It the contrast between that and super tan six-pack guy holding the bullet straps. It's like you're going from Led Zeppelin to like Cinderella. It's just a totally different genre. I love that though. I would go double feature out, fuck it, I'll pay it forward. - And I'll go Cobra. - Oh, you'll do the fly too close to the sun combo. Or would you do Rocky IV? - He checks the loan from the logo and Rocky IV, Cobra, I do all that stuff. I live for that stuff. - And then Stallone wins the movie. I think it's fair to say. - Definitely. I don't know if Craig's coming in or not with his take 'cause he is away. But if he edits it in, we'll throw in a Craig take. Maybe he didn't, maybe he didn't. Kyle Brant, what do you got going on? Plug some stuff. - Well, thank you. Bill, I have a book. I have a fucking book. And it is available for pre-order now. I've never written a book before. I worked my ass off on it. It's kind of about my really crazy career and a lot of the lessons that I've learned and it says the young people, hey, I've had a fucking weird career and it's okay if you do too. And I have a very generous contribution from Bill Simmons to that. And it's available now. It's called Do You. Do You Why Are You Period by Kyle Brant? And I'm going to be book guy over the next several months. I've never been it before. What's your advice? - Just gently remind people that it's coming but don't do it too much and make them mad. That's the thing. Just keep reminding people that it's coming. But it's a pre-order. It's a while away, right? - It's not so January and it's also like, there's a lot of candy. I reference 152 movies in this book. I work my ass off. And if you like the rewatchables, I think you like the book. - Did you go into it all? Why you duck the challenge? Was that a chapter? - Yeah, dude, Bill. I go into the conversation. You and I had about me ducking the challenge. If you want to call it ducking. That is in the book. - I feel like you're just right. - 'Cause you would have won multiple titles. - But I wouldn't be here right now. I'd probably be in a padded cell. I would be somewhere like-- - Or you'd be on Paramount Plus right now with the guys. - I wouldn't be on Paramount Plus. I don't think it would have been good for my mental health. The real world was a tough time. Listen, I was the only person who did real world during fucking 9/11. All right, it was a tough four month. - Holy shit. - For a lot of different reasons. It's the only time in the history of the show that the castmates were allowed to watch TV. They brought in a TV for us on 9/11. Bill and I are recording this on 9/11. - Yeah, that's true. - Can we sat down and we just watched it? And honestly, like, I say this in the book, I'll tell you now they did a really, really evil thing where they made it look like we were watching the towers fall down. - Oh, they did a weird edit? - Yeah, whereas the shot of us watching the TV was actually like six hours later. So I see that clip around some time and I think it's evil and fucked up and like, I hate it. But obviously, I have a lot of baggage about the real world, but that stuff's in there too. - Well, we've known each other a long time. You've had a very interesting life. I'm excited to dive into it, but congrats. It's really hard to read a book. I've only done two and I don't want to do a third one. - I may be one of them, but we'll see. - Yeah, yeah. - All right. Well, we know we have karate kid three coming up later this year. - I'm not sure when. - 21. - I don't know, I wanna, I must say. - I just want to build toward that, almost like the HBO. - It's fun. - The HBO sneak preview on July 4th, 1986 for Rambo 2. People won't know it's coming, but then I know something big's gonna happen. But we'll see you in a couple weeks here in the rewatch. It was good luck with the football season as well. - Thanks brother, you too. (upbeat music)