128: Rainbow Six Style with Marcus King | Soder Podcast | EP 126

Hey everybody, I'm still on the road. Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour is, it's in the final stretch, we're in the home stretch. If you're in Charlotte, we're there this Friday. If you're in Durham, we're there Saturday. And then, we're coming to Munhall, Pennsylvania, we're coming to Cleveland, Ohio, to Columbus, Ohio, to Iowa. If you live near the Grand Falls Casino, those are the final dates of the Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour. It's going on right now, dancoder.com for all tickets, come see the show, and then we're recording this June, more info on that coming so shortly. But dancoder.com, I promise you, once the tour is done, you're not going to be seeing a lot of this pushing it on you. You know, we're going to be going back to clubs to work on the new hour, which announced in soon. That'll be fun. Come see me with a notepad bum, my golf. But right now, dancoder.com, Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour, I love this hour. I've been having so much fun on the road with it. Netflix is a joke festival. I know Los Angeles, I was just there doing an hour in the fall. So Netflix is a joke. It was like, hey, come out, do a show. What do you want to do? Well, here's what I want to do. I want to watch a movie with Tim Dylan and make fun of it in front of an audience. One of those, remember those movie watch alongs where you're doing at the beginning of the tour? Doing a live one. Los Angeles May 6th at the Agora, nine o'clock. Dancoder.com for tickets, come watch me in Tim Dylan, watch a very fun movie, which we're still trying to get cleared. But if we get it cleared, it's going to be very funny. We're going to make fun of a very fun movie to make that. I don't think I've ever even watched, but on site, you know, it's going to be a fun one to make fun of, especially with Tim Dylan. Dancoder.com, go get tickets for Netflix as a joke, the movie watch along. It's going to be fun. Not a giant place, you know, just a couple hundred of us watching a shitty movie while Tim and I and maybe a special guest make fun of it. There's a lot of people in town. I might be having friends coming over just to sit down and make fun of shit, because that's what you should do, right? Let's make fun of the world. Dancoder.com for tickets. Okay, we're all in, baby. You're doing that, uh, balloon note show. Yeah. I saw that picture with Shane. I was like, fuck yeah. Yeah, that's just going on. Dude, I love that you're doing, I love that you're doing that, uh, are you doing it like as a residency? Yeah. That's fucking sick. We're doing like, uh, I guess it's, um, we just started recording all together. It's like six nights and we do like, uh, we do two shows a night. We just get like very exploratory. That's fucking awesome. Yeah. That's what's up. That's what a guy of your caliber of talent should be doing. Not like jingles for gambling sites. I'm fucking chilling at the blue note. I'm not above that. You go, graph kings. Just wailing and you're like, damn, dude, it's that graph kings lick that got me hooked. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Uh, but how do you like the blue note is one of those places in New York City where it's like a legendary venue. Yeah. Like people musicians talk about it. I know the musicians that like the seller in the village underground are like, I'll blue notes the shit. Was it you or them that was like, Hey, I want to come do, uh, like a run there. So whether it's all kind of started. So Chris Dave is Rick Rubin's favorite drummer, which is like a crazy, it's a cool ass credit stat. You know, and he's like, I'd lead with that if I were him. Yeah. He should make a teacher like Rick Rubin's favorite drummer. I'm Rick Rubin's favorite. Like, you know, Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top has business cards that say friend of Eric Clapton. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Which you're pretty sick. I, if I were him, my business cards go, ha, ha, ha, yeah, my business card. I know Billy Gibbons. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I think a good business card. Yeah. Um, now so, uh, we did the record together. This record called Moot Swings. That's great. Check it out. By the way, I don't do proper introductions. They get mad at me. Oh, go listen to Marcus King. Go listen to every single thing Marcus King has done. Cause I'm telling you right now. Listen to the son of a Gary. Yeah. Marcus King is an elite performer. Singer guitar player. Unfuckin believeable. We'll melt your face. Just go watch him. Shout out to Dean Del Rey, who put me on the Marcus King band early 2017 18. Yeah. We're around there. It's killer. Yes. I mean, I'm a really guy. It's a killer. And I was listening. I was like, that is how I would rate it. I listened to that sad back and I went killer. I went and hung out with Dean. Last time I was in LA for the Grammy week stuff. He was, he does this tribute to Bon Scott every year. I saw clips from it. Yeah. What a line. He gets all these motherfuckers out there. Like, homie was out there. So I got to hang out with him. You did, uh, what'd you do? Night stalker? Uh, what Bon Scott song did you do? Yeah. Josh sang it. I forget. Yeah. I think it was, uh, look it up. They did like, dude, but I don't know if you saw the clip of him in, uh, Dean talking about it. Wow. I mean, as a, as a huge Queen of the Stone Age fan, homie put you over. He was like, that's my boy. He was like, that motherfucker plugged in on a guitar that they found backstage and ripped. It's, it's one of my favorite things are watching guys that I love talk about guys that they love, which does sound very gay. Uh, but night probably. Night probably. Yeah. Night probably. What is it? Night prowler? Yeah. Night prowler. Night rider, which is like a deep cut because Dean was like, yeah, we got the notes last year. We did a lot of hits. We're going to do a lot of deep cuts. You got a good Dean Del Rey. Well, I, you know, he went on the road with me. I know. That's like a year. That's how, that was the first time I met you was when you were on the road and you came into the bonfire and did some live songs. You're like, I'm on the road with Dean Del Rey. And that's all I was like, oh, and I got to do. I showed you my favorite character, which is detective Dean Del Rey, which is, I think he's the killer. Yeah. But I love Dean so much, but I have noticed like I think he says killer less now because of kind of like how Eddie Murphy changed his laugh. Yeah. Yeah. Which I completely get. I get completely. I stopped doing macho, man. A lot of people are like, do macho, man. Like, I don't want to do it that much. But so I get it. I say we signed a petition for Dean Del Rey to bring back killer because I like to bring it back. Bring it back, baby. That's that off. He's one of the most confident people. And I love that about him. And it's like, we took him on the road and like doing comedy, like, like big J knows this because he went out with, you know, corn and stuff. So like, it's hard doing a comedy set for a group of people there for music. Well, because it almost feels like they're getting an announcement. Yes. I don't think they lock in the way they do when you're sitting down watching a comedy show, when you're standing around on a guy comes out and he's like, hey, you know what? They expect you to go, so there's metaphor. They're on edge. Yeah. That's what it is. It's the day they want music. Yeah. Like I feel like the inverse because back in the day, like Eddie Murphy's, I think it's raw. They had the best boys. Yeah. He had a band open for him. Do you think that works easier music first? I think it makes sense. I mean, I'd be curious to know like how what Shane's experience was because he did that with Zach Brian. Oh, yeah. And it's like 80,000 people. Yeah. He told me he was like, I'm just going up there. I'm going to go for a little bit. See how it goes? Then I'm out. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you got to go. It's almost like a heist. You're like, how many laughs can I grab? Big J's a different animal because big J told me that once he got the camera men on his side, when he was opening for corn, it brought the show to him where he would like point people out and he'd be like, look at this fucking guy. And then they go to him and so the guy's up on the screen. Yeah. And then J's being J and just being hilarious. And it's like, and I mean, he he is one of my favorite comedians and you are as well. Like, I went to see J the other night and like his crowd work is just it's like watching like a jazz musician. Yeah. It's very unfair. Yeah. That big J gets compared to modern crowd work. Oh, yeah. Cause it is it's like, it's like, it's like me comparing you to like a boy band that learned how to play a song from the record label. Like they're not actual guitarists. You're like, that's not real guitar. You're just watching them mimic. Cause I've watched it. I mean, I've watched big J over 20 years. I've watched hours of him do crowd work. And it's great watching him get to a place where you go. He's going to open him up like a boxer. It's like he like walks, gets him into a corner, cuts off the ring and you're like, they can't go anywhere. They got to answer it. And also what I like about it is as someone that doesn't do crowd work and just does bits. It's so like you watching it's refreshing. Cause you go, damn, I wish I could just be that like it helps me be looser. But I also I appreciate it. Cause I'm like, you're seeing a different show every time. Like those like those comedy club waitresses, they're seeing it. They're listening to a different show every time, which is fucking awesome. I know. I mean, is that what the blue note kind of was for you is like, let me go in there. Yeah. I mean, we kind of have these vehicles, which are kind of like, you know, I'm sure Jay has like a few bits in his back pocket. Like if it's a really shitty crowd, like you can kind of fall back on some material. That's kind of how it is at the blue note. We're like, okay. So you guys have like a song if you're like, Hey, if this, if I'm not feeling this shit, what's the, how do you audible into that? Is it just like, can the, cause you were talking about Rick Rubin's favorite drummer. Yeah. And then I fucking went down that day because I'm a ADD potted. So Chris Dave and you were like, Hey, Let's do a show just the two of us. Yeah, well, we talked about doing, you know, some shows together for like three years. We talked about it and then we finally our buddy Alex Kirlin who runs all the blue notes. He was like, do it here because Chris kind of does like a residency there because he does a trio with Blake Mills and Pinopaladino and he works with Robert Glassper a bunch. Like, he had a duo that he does with DJ Jazzy Jeff. Yeah. And a tap dancer. That's crazy. Just like wild shit. That's like a real artist. Yeah. Where they're like, I'll just, I can make it work. Yeah. Then you, us were like, I need a two drink minimum and decent chicken tenders. Or I can't get my art off the ground. If you don't have a cocktail named after a dead comedian, I can't do the show. If you don't have the Bernie Mac Margarita, I can't go up there. So when you decide to do the show and they're going, Hey, do it here. For you, is that like wearing sweatpants to work? Do you get to relax and go like, let's have fun and chill? Like the other not. I mean, I wore this. Yeah. Like what I'm wearing right now. sweatshirt and sneakers. And I felt really insecure about, and I asked my, my, my, uh, tech with me. I was like, it's okay. I'm wearing sneakers on stage. He's like, yeah, what are you sitting on a stool? What are you usually wear? I mean, I usually like my grandfather was a professional musician. And he always said, like, you don't go and stage without a pair of boots on. Yeah. And he's like, just so a wild concept to him to be, yeah, not dressed up. What are you going to marry a black? Oh, holy shit. Oh, grandpa, grandpa, people. How do we get from boots to blacks? Yeah, it's, I remember. I remember, uh, when I started stand up, they were like, you have to wear, I started in Arizona and they're like, you have to wear pants. Yeah. Cause one time I came in and shorts, it's like a hundred and six out. Yeah. And I wore shorts to the comedy club and the owner was like, you're lucky. I don't make you wear a suit. And you're like, all right. So it is that like there were a different generation. They were like, I have to wear suits and fucking boots and be gussied up all the time. My dad was of a similar generation though, because like when he was coming up, he would, he was working with this band down in Fort Lauderdale. And like, it was all mafia owned. So he would come in and they, they made him like dress up. Yeah. So he'd wear like a blazer with like a tuxedo t-shirt. Hell yeah. But my dad looked really cool. Yeah. If you don't look cool, that can be a little, yeah, annoying. Annoying to somebody. I think annoying is the first where it goes. It doesn't go crazy. You know, like, like this fucking guy. Yeah. It's come. Fuck. And all these like mafia dudes just, they loved him, but like the bar owner there or the club manager was like, go home and change your fucking shirt right now. Because he didn't want to get his legs broken. Yeah, exactly. The mafia guys were probably like, they would take, they would take my dad out and just like, see like how far they could push him. Because my dad would just do like lines of coke from his elbow to his thumb. Yeah. And just like get going crazy. He had this guy, a young guy with name Captain Pete, the carrier of parod on his shoulder. And just like smuggled loads and loads of cocaine in into Florida. And this is the ages. This is like eight late 70s early 80s. Yeah, brother. Yeah. That is pure cut shit. Yeah, that's where our parents were of a different generation. These baby boomers got to do pure cut cocaine. Yeah. They got that Colombian shit that was like, did I remember my mom, I think I told the story before, but she let it slip because my parents used to live in San Francisco in the 70s. So they were fucking party. They were about it. They were about it. And my mom just one time went, one time we got some coke. So good. Your dad wanted to go out dancing. I know it. Damn. I think I was like a teenager. And I was like, yeah, what? He repeated it. She's like, we just have this pen jar. The mom's like worked in an insurance company. She's like, I'm single mom, but like an 80s mom, Murphy Brown shoulder pads. I love it. We had a pen jar next to our kitchen phone. And one time I'm like spinning it around around on the phone with someone. And it spins all the way around. And it said dope on it. But I didn't put it together. I was a kid. And I went, oh, like cool. Like cool. You like cool. And then I grew up and, you know, I was like smoke weed in the house by the time I was 16. And I was like, yeah, was that dope jar? My mom like didn't even not look away from the news. She goes, yeah, was my dope jar in San Francisco. And I was like, what happened to that? She's like, I think I sold it in a garage sale. You're like, no. Hell yeah, Trisha. Yeah, dude. Trisha, she gave me her joint carrier from the 60s. Oh, man. She was like, she was like, yeah, you want it? Yeah, let me see. I got my dad's hash pipe from the 70s. Oh, wow. Isn't that cool? Oh, that's so good. Yeah. Look how tiny their joints were. Yeah, dude. They'd roll up some pinners. Yeah, exactly. I can't even fit modern fucking joints into this. But this is, that's great. She found that shit. And she's like, do you want my joint carrier? And I was like, oh, fucking yeah. You can't even like, look at that. It's got the thing for the papers. I can make it work. You want it? No, no, please. You got to use it. I do have to, you know what? I have to learn how to roll joints. I'll stock you up. I use this thing they're called King Palm Rollies. Okay. And it's like Dan, our back put me on to him. And basically, they're, they're made out of palm leaves. And you just like, stuff your weed down in them. Get that all day. I could stuff. They look like little cigars. Yes. And they fit in their perfect. Let's go. I think we just found a new sponsor. Pam Spock has brought to you by King Palm Rollies. Hey, King Palm Rolls. Get them now. And then just watching me show up like six boxes. I'm like, I fucking. So when you do like the thing that, when did you, first off, when you see Marcus King play, you go, oh, you were born with a guitar in your hand or what it feels like. Did you start playing since how old were you when you start playing guitar? Man, I really was like two or three years old, like soon as I could, like before I got walk, I was playing a guitar like, oh, shit. But I have like a really lonely childhood childhood. Yeah. What's up, brother? Pretty, pretty rough childhood. I've learned how to do voices because I had friends. Exactly. Absolutely. And I mean, I quote you all the time and all my interviews is like, you think I'm going around from city to city, begging for people's like approval because shit went well. Yeah, dude. And people don't understand. It's like a true gift and a curse of like, when you have that and you get the motivation to go make stuff that'll bring people in to like enjoy, there's a carbon dioxide that comes with that. There's like a heavy like, that's the oxygen, but then you got to breathe some shit out. And if you don't take care of that, that's where I tell all my friends that I, that I weren't, you know, like as I watch my friends like Shane and Nate and all these people get like really, really big. I'm always like, dude, let me know what your carbon dioxide is. Let's fucking, let's get that breath out of you because you got to keep breathing. But that means breathing in and breathing out, you know, I mean, it does. I mean, speaking of that, like another thing you said that I resonated with was like the crossover between like, I played with GI Joe's and army men and my wrestlers till I was like 12 or 13. Shout out, dude. I started smoking when I was like 11 or 12. I mean, did you? Yeah, you had a dad that had a friend named Captain Pete. Yeah. My dad's friend's name was Jim. He wasn't a captain of shit, but he would build these fucking motorized ducks that they would put in the lake. Yeah. And you try to get him over 100 miles an hour. Jim was insane. That's sick. I saw it off shotgun under his couch when he lived with my dad. One time I was laying on the couch watching TV and you know, when he was like little and you just like run your hand along the carpet, and I put my hand under and I was like, you and I like knocked it out. I was like, I find a pinhouse like that when I was a kid. Yeah, dude, little fucking, your little fingers just brush up again, something to go. What the fuck? I had like one of those like little spaz moments, you know, when you just you have too many emotions, you just like, and I had to go to the bathroom and just sit down and I sat on the ground and like I saw under like the vanity. Yeah. Where the heat comes out. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? Because I had older stepbrothers. Yes. And I was like, pinhouse. What is this? Yeah, pinhouse is by the way. That's not a starter kit. No, it's not. That's when you see a pussy for the first time. You know, what is this? A surgeon's magazine? I'm not trying to say a fucking open wound. Yeah. The first time. And this is crazy. And ladies, you know, this is true. But the first time you see a vagina, you go, what the fuck? You don't realize it's the coolest thing on the planet. It's the coolest thing on it. You know, whoa, then you go, Chipel used to have that great bit about it's the only one. It only satisfies one sense the most, which is feel. Yeah. Because it doesn't look good. Smells terrible. And he like goes through all the senses and he goes, but it feels incredible. It really does. But it's also funny when you're a kid. It's like that discovery thing. And by the way, I said shot, it was a pump handle shotgun. That's what it was. Because I felt the pump handle. And then I pulled it out and as a kid, a 90s kid, you're like, yo, this is sick. Thank God, I was an only child. That's the first gun I ever bought. It was a pump, pump shotgun. Yeah, like six years ago. Sick. I had just gotten my own place in Nashville. And I saw like, you know, on the news, like, you know, saw some crazy shit on the news. And I was like, I think I should have a gun in my ass. And like being in Nashville, they're like, they put your name in a little thing. And they're like, there you go. You just walk out with it. Okay. So I'm like, am I allowed to do this? It's really funny when you buy a gun because I was with my roommate when he bought a gun in a gun show in Arizona. in Arizona, all they do is high five you in there. He's giving you the gun. They go, you got the cash, you go, there you go. You're going on her head. It's like, you gave him a nine. He's like, my right. So shitty ass nine, too. But it is, I think that is, you know, Katie, you'll probably see this. We'll have to have a conversation about this. But when we get to house, I'm getting a gun. - Yeah. - I love guns. - That's why they say like, when you get a generator, you gotta get a gun. - Yeah, 'cause someone, 'cause what happens if someone comes to that generator? - I think pleases and thank yous are going to let it in there left. - Exactly. - Just brandish the thing and you go, whoa! - Yeah. That's why I wanted to do that, dude, there ain't nothing. The only thing with guns that comes close to that is the slide going back. But the main one, the one that fucking kicks you in your tank is the fucking, did you go to a range or like, it's Nashville. - It's never been fired. - Never been fired. - The gun's never been fired. I mean, I've shot guns before, but like, that one that I got for my home, like, - Yeah. - I just, luckily, have never had to use it. - Thank God. - Or grab it or anything. - Yeah, it is one of those ones where if you use it, it's the best bet. - Yeah. - 'Cause you go, let's sprays. - So I don't have to. - Did you ever see that interview with Westergill Simpson on Rogan that he was talking about? He's got like an assault rifle and this guy had broken into his house and he's Nashville. And like, he came down the stairs like, like, rainbow six style. - And it did just looks obviously. He's Sturgill Simpson and his tidy white. He's pointing an assault rifle at him. - Yeah. - And he just left. - Yeah, absolutely. Also, Sturgill Simpson has the face of a Navy SEAL. - Yes, he does. - He like, if you saw that, he looks a lot like my mom's dad. He looks a lot like my grandfather. - He looks like a civil war soldier. - Yes, he does. - He's got that face. - Yes, he does. In football, I call that World War I face. Brock Curry has it for the 49ers. - Yeah. - The name is Catcher of the San Francisco Giants, Buster Posey. - Okay. - They look like guys that got shot down over Europe at like 1960s. - His face is that you don't see anymore. - Yeah. - They're all like-- - All like Kentucky. - Yes. Well, isn't he Sturgill's from Kentucky with-- - Yeah. - Dude, I-- - Tyler Childers has the same vibe. - You two are my guys. - Yeah. - Yeah, you and Sturgill are guys that like keep it. You, Sturgill, homie, there's guys that I listen to that just keep evolving with music. And you know what it is, and I think this is, 'cause you're all stylistically very different. Y'all, you guys all play like you love music. - Yeah. - And I think that's like, we're in an era where that's lost in everything. Like I'm watching comedians who don't like comedy. I'm watching chefs that don't want to cook. You're watching musicians that don't want to play. But they're doing it because they're making more money than they've ever made. So why would they turn it off and you go, "That's not why we're doing this shit." - Sure. - You know, it's like you were playing a guitar before you could fucking walk. - And I have a great reverence for the art. - Was that hard growing up with a third generation musician? Was there moments where you're like, "Do I want to do this?" - I never had any doubt, man. I knew that it was gonna be my profession one way or another. My grandfather, I mean, he was a career military man. And he just played on the weekends. So I knew like at the very least I could do that. I could work a straight job and then play on the weekends. And I could at least make a living doing that. But I always strive to do more. And I just always wanted to play. So. - What was your first moment of, 'cause you're around all these professional musicians, you know, whether it's your dad or even your grandfather playing on the weekends. When was the moment where someone that you respected as a musician saw you play and went like, "Holy shit." 'Cause, I mean, you're doing, for me, you're just doing magic and I'm a simple man. Like you could play a three-quirt song and I'd be like, "Ah, come on, come on." But I'm talking about a guy that where you felt, I guess, you know, there's not a better way to, like, scene where you were like, "Yeah, I can't fucking play this shit." - I mean, I was really lucky. I had really good friends in the business that were like local legends that played on the weekends and they would need guitar players and they would let me come out. I would just do it, you know, for pocket change, you know. 'Cause I just wanted the experience. I got my learner's permit when I was 14 and I started, you know, and I had my dad's old minivan, Pontiac Transport, 94, baby, and in that van. - That does make me feel old 'cause I go, "That's still a new car." (laughing) - I was 11 when '94, that's a fucking, that's a great car. - I mean, at the time it was relatively new, I guess. - No, but you're like driving around 14, man, the south. They just let you fuck, they go. - They just, yeah. - They go, can you put a tire on shoes? You drive a car? Here's a cigarette. - Yeah. (laughing) - And then you go to the Pacific Northwest and they go, "I just, you're 19 years old. I don't know if you should ride in the front seat." - A little connolly. - Yeah. - But that's how I was like, hell, when I came up here, like in South Carolina, again, like, you can buy an enclosed trailer without a title, without anything. - Yeah. - Without, you don't have to put a tag on it. If the lights are working, you're good. And we drove it up here and we accidentally went on a parkway. This one, I was like 18 and we accidentally went on a parkway and they pulled us over and they're like, you got a title registration for your trailer. There's no tag on it and we're like, what? - What are you talking about? - That was your rules. - It was in Yonkers. - Oh, buddy, they're just itching for something. - Yeah, dude, they saw us coming, man. They impounded it. We never got it back. - I know. We went over, all our gear was in it. We went over and we were like, hey, you know, like, can we at least get our gear out of it? And they were like, you gotta pay us at least half the impound rate or whatever. So we had to figure out how to find $500. 'Cause like, we, $500 at that time, we were like, what are we gonna fucking do? - Yeah, Yonkers go, we might as well just buy new equipment. - Exactly. - 500 bucks is the king's ransom. - Exactly, yeah. So we went in, I called my stepmom who worked at the courthouse. She was a clerk of court and she went in or she called them and like gave them the ride act, you know. And I went back over there. Because before that, I went in and I was like, all right. We got the half of the money, here you go. He was like, yeah, I lied. - Yeah, dude, let me taste some of that. - That's what I was like, I hate New York. - You know, let me taste some of that New Yorkers. That is, that's a superpower that they have. - It was sick. - Where they go, hey, you want the parkway? Where you go north to south, they go south. That's $7.50, there's nothing I can do about that. You just said it was 500, they go, yeah. I know it's crazy, you asked that 15 minutes ago and it changed, it's like, when I moved here, like the little things with the moving goalposts, especially trying to find an apartment in shit. Like I moved into that place in Queens with just cash and the guy was like, you cool not signing a lease? And I was like, I mean, he could have kicked me out. He goes, give me a month. I lived in that apartment for 15 years. Never signed a lease. - That's awesome. - Months to month for 50, he increased it once, but he never fixed anything. You can ask comics, in my kitchen, me and Vecchio and Liv together, we had a leaky pipe and it folded under our kitchen. So there was a ramp in our kitchen. You have any comics I know that twisted their ankle, going to get a glass of water and they're like, dude, you got to say something, I got to do, you got to hit it with speed. That's what I always say. You got to hit that thing with speed and hope you bug a launch, dude. So back to the smoking while playing with action figures, 'cause I love meeting a kindred spirit like that. At one age, did you put down the action figures? Because I was maybe 13, but like, knew I had to put them away. - I'm about the same. I think I just got too busy like working. - That's where you start going like, do you do in real shit? - I don't have time for my hobbies anymore. - I know. To my hobbies are setting up epic battles. - And I did. - Yeah, dude, dude, good luck. All I know is if you were drinking with my mom in the '90s, I'm sorry that the staircase was littered, 'cause that staircase for kids that can't afford the aircraft carriers or whatever, the stairs are the, it's a mountain range. - There's the cupboard like the wire, 'cause I had a kung fu grip. - Oh yeah. - They could grip onto the wire like shelving. - Oh yeah, my stepdad's garage. He would step on GI Joe's all the time. Like I damn it, and you're like, he was hiding out. He was hiding out. - My stepdad was fucking crazy, bro. - Really? - My stepdad, like. - When did your parents break up? - When I was like four. - Okay, so I had five? - Yeah, same. So when, 'cause that is an age where you have like, no memories of them being together. - The memories I have of them being together are bad. - Really? - Yeah, like. - Just screaming in each other's faces. - Are you the only, are you the only child? - Me and my sister. - Okay, so you had two of them. So with your sister, you had someone to go like, you know what I'm talking? - You believe this? - This is fucking, these people are crazy. I always think that's weird with where we're very similar, something I could never connect with, with my friends who had parents that they saw them love each other. - It's insane. - It's insane to me. - My wife's like that. - Really? We're just like, they just love each other and they're just there and you go. - When I come across that, it's like a psychological experiment. I got to find who the fuck up is in the family. So like, the whole Christmas, I'm like. - So we get a little too drunk and you go, really have a front runner. - Yeah, a front runner. - They're not serving here and you. - Yeah. - How did you get that? - Exactly. - That's hard. - Yeah. - Should you take a walk? - Yeah, I-- - They'll be like, oh yeah, just make sure like, you know, hide your stuff. - Yeah, that was-- - Like, why? - Who wants it? - I'm like, is there somebody snooping when they go to the bathroom? You're like, I just hide it. - If you could, maybe I don't know, tuck it up. In the heat vent and you go, so you have someone here with a real problem. - Yes, I'm saying. - That was, as I got older, I started becoming more comfortable gravitating to my people, my family, that would get fucked up. - Yeah. - 'Cause I'd go, everyone else was like, "Hi, how are you?" And then, you know, you got a cousin or an aunt or an uncle outside smoking weed and you're like, "Can I come hang?" - Yeah. - 'Cause that was immediately who I vibed with. Because it was, you don't see, like, dude, my parents hated each other my whole life and it took, I was in my 30s. My mom and I were in San Francisco, and she hadn't been back since like the 80s. And we were out there 'cause she was helping me with my dad's mom's birthday party, and she was like, "I'll fly out there with you." They had a good relationship. So I was like, "You can help me with the birthday party 'cause I can't do it by myself." My grandma was turning in 90. She was like, "Yeah, I got it." And we're driving through San Francisco and my mom just like, "Get's emotional." I don't know where. And I was like, "Yeah, all right." And she's like, "Last time I was driving down the street." It was like 1981 with your father and we were like, "Show in love." And I was like, "And I came back and I told my therapist." I was like, "It was the first time I've ever seen a glimpse of my parents being in love, of being like, "Fuck, I love that dude." And he's been dead almost 30 years. So you're like, "That's crazy to me that people like you and I, it's like not ever drinking water." And people are like, "Oh, I was like, "You had your first sip of water." You go, "It kind of hurt my throat." I didn't really like it. So I'm not used to it. And then you grow up and you're supposed to have these relationships. And you're like, "But I don't have any, "but I don't have a manual to go off of." I think that's what people don't realize, children of divorce don't have. They don't have the manual to go like, "This is how you act." - Which I think in some ways, we're favorable in that way. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's like, when you don't have credit, the bad news is you don't have any credit. The good news is you don't have bad credit. - Exactly, that's a fucking great way of doing that. You're not gonna fuck me, you don't, because there are marriages that sour that it's almost better that, like I always really respected the fact that my mom, even though she got divorced from my stepdad, I respected the fact that she was like, this ain't working for me. - Yeah, if you're unhappy fucking-- - And I always, I think that saved me from getting locked down into a lot of relationships that weren't probably good that I didn't realize. 'Cause it was like, "Oh, that was the manual I got." Where I was like, "Oh, there's an eject button." Yeah, my mom's like, "Here's a strap, pull this shit." You'll straight up. - I never knew about the eject button. My attachment style, all that. 'Cause I have research, all this stuff now. - Which is good as you get older and also with a very fucking public life. - Right, and again, it's because I had two or three relationships, like real relationships with women that I probably would have married if I, and I was just a terrible partner, just a real problem. - Yeah. - And just like you said, calls coming from inside the house. - Oh, dude, when you realize that, where you go, oh, fuck. - They're so, and I would never want to disturb their peace. Now that we're done, but I always thought there's like, "There's a lot of my axes that if I ever bumped into, I'd give them some knuckle and go, "Mum, man." - Hey. (laughs) - There you go. - Come here. - Come here. - Let's forget that. - Sorry about that. - It's on me. - Couldn't take in the emotions. - I just write about it, dude. - But that's what I love about your music, is it's very personal. In a way that doesn't feel exploit. You don't exploit your personal life, but you do what I think good artists do, which is intake and then have like an alchemy where outcomes, great shit. - Yeah. - You know, it's, I mean, like the worst example of it is when everyone wanted to del to go through a breakup every album, and you're like, maybe don't make her. Maybe enjoy the next thing. But that's what I do love about specifically. You with the Marcus King band, and you doing your solo stuff, and then going and working on other stuff, is the way that I feel about Sturgeon, doing what he does then go and do in Johnny Blue skies, or homie, doing queens, and then them crooked vultures, or producing fucking Arctic monkeys, you know what I mean? It's like, you're moving and changing. I like an artist that it takes me a second to catch up to their next album, 'cause I go, well, they're different people. That's what I think good stand-up specials are, too. Where you go, oh, I'm seeing a different part of his life. Maybe a point he's making now, he wouldn't have made, 10 years ago. - Yeah, it's all perspective. - Exactly. - And just evolving with the craft. - But the patience, I think where you get a good fan bases is where you install a patience with people, your fans, to go, hey, I'm growing, too. - Make 'em a fan of you. - Yeah, and then just go, hey, 'cause there's queens of the Stone Age fans that I see that go like, no, man, I want to play in that 2002 desert rock and you go, but they were fucking 28-year-old guys. Now, they're breaching 50. Like, you want 'em to be, I don't want that. I don't want people to, you know what I mean? Don't stay sexy. I want you to, you can stay sexy, but stay sexy in your own way. - And a grown-up way. I just feel like a lot of entertainment now doesn't make room for that. So that's why I love seeing, when you go to the blue note and you go, I'm gonna fuck around with a drummer. Is it, the drummer, is it here? Is it Chris the reason that you can trust it? 'Cause you go, I know this guy will always, like, almost like a safety net, like he'll catch you. - You gotta, you gotta have that. And I mean, I have that with my band, too. The Marcus King band, my drummer and I, Jack, we've worked together for like, almost 15 years. So, you know, you gotta have people that you can trust. - Yeah. - I mean, those are the strongest relationships I've ever built in my life, or other musicians. So, like-- - Well, they understand you more. They understand that, you know, I think, it's not that non-musicians can't understand your life, but it's what we were saying, it's perspective. It's like, you don't know what it's like to live in a van, travel, and be on the fucking cross-bronk's expressway and get your shit jacked, 'cause the guy goes, what the fuck is this? - Yeah. - The fucking van? Would a trailer, you're like, you don't know what it is, you can go, like, yeah, police can be mean. And you're like, my the fuck are, not if they take your gear, beyond mean. It's cruel. - Yeah, it is cruel. - So, you have that. So, you feel like you have that with Chris? - I do, man, like, just as soon as we met, it was like, it was me and my, you know, Riley, my wife now, like, it was our, like, third date. I had met her and I flew her out to LA where we were recording. And Chris, his wife was pregnant, so she was there and they connected and the four of us just became really close and just, I don't know, some people you just meet and you're just like, immediately just like, you know. - It's the best. - Yeah. - That's, I mean, friendship, fucking rules. 'Cause when you vibe with somebody and then you go like, oh shit, I don't think, and-- - And keep doing this. - It is, it's interesting, 'cause you really do like feel like a child of like, do you want to sleep over? - Yeah, exactly. - You want to ask her that? You're like, do you love movies? I love movies. I want to play it like, it's so, it is, like, I remember the first time I worked with Shane. Literally, he's like, I'm seeing at Helium and I was headlining it was like a Thursday night. I didn't have anything to do and I'm just in the green room. I'm like, well, I brought my PlayStation. I'm gonna play Madden and he's like, I love Madden. And then he, I'm not joking, he came to the hotel. We played Madden all night and I couldn't find weed. And he was like, my boy makes edibles and it was McCusker. McCusker made his own gummies and he brought me, I think of gummies and he's like, you should put these in a refrigerator. I don't know how strong they can get. That was what he said. And I hate one and it fuck you. Fuck me up. - I love that. - Yeah, dude. - Do you know how McCusker clan is? - They're great. - Great. - I just hung out with Billy in Pennsylvania when I went down-- - Billy's a wild man. - Which, with Shane. Billy's the fucking man. I've been telling Billy, I'm like, I need a war mode shirt. I need the Val Kilmer war mode shirt and he's like, dude, we'll get you. - He sent me a hat. - Yeah, the hats are sick. - Good ass. - War mode might have the best merch in the podcast game. - Low key. - Low key, but be fucking quiet. Don't tip anybody off. 'Cause I don't want their shick-it stricken. I want that fucking heat shirt. - Is he? - That war mode fucking heat shirts, what's up? But I do agree. You like meet people and you go like, that was my favorite part of moving to New York with stand-up was kind of like that. Like the way that musicians vibe, it was like meeting people, doing shitty mics, doing shitty bar shows, but you're like, oh, dude, like Joe lists and I, just immediately, we're like-- - Love Joe lists. - Yeah, yeah, we were just-- We were both obsessed, I remember the thing that linked us, we were both obsessed with the Jerry Seinfeld documentary comedian, and he was like, comedian. I was like, dude, I had one of the reasons I moved here. He was like, oh, fucking, then we just quoted at each other and you're like, oh, we got similar shit. And then he would put me on, he would argue about the Celtics being the greatest team of all time, he'd be like, you never watched the 1984. - And he'd go to his apartment and we'd just be drunk, watch his old-- - He's passionate. - Yeah, and that's what I love. As I think a lot of the times, you know, I don't know how it is about the music industry, but with stand-up, you just meet people that you go, you don't really like this shit, and it bums you out. - It is? It's a bummer. - Yeah, 'cause you go, fuck, you're just a hooker. - Yeah, it's the most-- I mean, you're offering somebody something that it's deeply spiritual and just important to other people. and you're just giving it out for money. - Yes. - It's disgusting. - It feels the same with, there used to be a strip club in Montreal called Super Sex, right? - Yeah. - It was sick. And it's Superman logo, it's fucking awesome. The Joe List, we were up there in 2012. Both of us still drinking. Joe List was like, let's go get lunch at a strip club. And I was like, - As you do. - As you do, good deals, great burger. - Good product. - I meant burger was good. One bag, it was actually pretty good burger. - And then we got lap dances. And this girl, I was one of those guys that would just fall in love with one girl and be like, "No, she loves me." But this girl, I mean, was trying to rub the skin off me. And I was like, "Dude, I really fucking think like we answer." And so then we threw the festival. And I just signed with a new agency and the agents get up there on the weekend. And they're like, "Bro, they've got big bro energy." And they're like, "We gotta go to the fucking strip club, bro." And I'm getting hammered with them. And I'm like, "Yeah, hell yeah, it's like Saturday night." So this is like the '18. - My girl's gonna be there. - Yeah, that's what I was hoping. - Yeah, I was hoping. - I go, "Oh, I wish I could have checked the schedule." (laughing) - Who's on the line up tonight? - Yeah, oh fuck, oh fuck, I need Rosalind. (laughing) But we go, we go to Saturday night and it's packed. I mean, List and I were there. And there's like 10 people there. And we go and it's fucking packed. And I'm with, at the time, I was with CAA. And it's like some agents from CAA. And they're like dropping cards and money. So they get a good table, whatever. There's this beautiful, not my girl, but just this beautiful girl. Stacked, you could tell she was gorgeous. And I was pretty drunk. And I was like, "I had dance." She's like, "Yeah, you can get a dance." And I remember the feeling of watching her check her phone while giving me a laugh dance. That's what it feels like when you find out people are doing stand-up for money. Where you go, "You just checked your phone." Yeah. This is Nickelback. I know how long this song goes. And she was like dancing on me and her phone was on like a thing and she went like, "She was on me and I saw her go." Like that, Ellen. It's like when your therapist checks the clock. Or falls asleep. You've had him fall asleep. Yeah, pulled it on me today. Damn. And I go, "No, no, no, no." And he goes, "Sorry." Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, he has a fully false, but he goes like, "He nods." He nods. He nods. Heroin nods. Straight up heroin. My bass player does heroin nods, but he doesn't do heroin, but he's just like, he's asleep. Sleepy, he's sitting up. Sleepy boy. Sleepy guy. Do you sleepy guys? Do you gotta watch it? Sleepy guys, that has to suck to be genuinely a sleepy guy and people to go. He's on heroin. He's on something. He's on heroin because he. Yeah. Because I've had friends when they're on heroin, they go, "Dude, I didn't sleep last night." And you go, "I'm not a fucking idiot." Yeah. Where it's 3 p.m. and you're going like, "Yeah." And you're also in a real good mood. You know, I don't think. I don't think sleepy boys get this good. Usually sleepy boys want to go to sleep. Sleepy boys on heroin are like, "Dude, everything is okay." Everything is okay. They're like, "No." That's one that I never touched. Good, yeah. The opiates. Let's do it, dude. Pinkie's where. No, opiates. Or else, me and you are going to be putting on one hell of a variety show under a highway. [laughs] Or each other. I go, "Marcus, play me on." [laughs] Hey, you guys might have seen a meat and a handful of shit down the street. That's fucking just in slacks. Just nothing but slacks, though, underwear. Yeah, man. So, I mean, like, growing up a child of divorce like that and smoking cigarettes, when you put your action figures away, there is like a retirement. Ceremony. Where you go? Well. What did Jersey's in the rafters? Yeah, dude. And then you, it feels weird because like, a big J and I talked about this, when people started sending me like wrestling figures, they're like sending to me, there was a quick moment where you just go like, "Pump, pump, pump." And you got-- No, I got nothing. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I lost the text. I lost the text. I was just like trying to start a car. You got-- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just stay there. I have to get jumped or-- Yeah, man. He said it and I unboxed it and I was like, "Pup, pump, pump." Yeah. That's-- that's always made Shane laugh, just the thought of someone sitting there going, "Pup, pump, pump, pump." Like making the noise. "Oh, look out." "Oh, look out." "We're sitting on your chest." You're like, "Yes, mother fuckers." Did you ever get caught by your like cool friends playing with toys? Um-- Like your friends with-- Yeah, they come over and they'd be like, "What is this?" Yeah. I don't even-- I don't even know. That's for my baby cousin. Yeah. My little baby cousin's over here as a little baby. That definitely happened. Yeah, there. Yeah. That's before I knew that I could just own whatever it was. Man. Just be like, "Yeah, that's my shit. I'm into that." Teach? That in middle school. Yeah. It's the fucking Colin Quinn bit about teach kids how to fucking small talk. Teach kids how to own what they like. Because I really feel like that is a message that would hit everybody. Yeah. Every race, creed, color, religion. If you just learned when you're 12 years old to go, "Because I like it." Yeah. My sister tried. My older sister tried doing that. And they'd do that with like really, really big divisive issues. Yeah. But it's like, maybe start small. Yeah. And then-- Maybe let's start with-- Maybe we start at an approachable level to where then they can understand who they actually are. Comic books. Yeah. Comic books. Uh, toys. For horse girls. Yeah. Like babies? Dude. Do you trust us? We all got to be more like horse girls. Be like horse girls. They'd love their shit unapologetically clomping around this fucking room. Clomped, dude? Clomped for your soul. Yeah. They would do it. And they could do the noises. And their hair is always braided. Yeah. Perfectly. Perfectly. Dude, be more of a horse girl. We all should be. If we were-- if we had a good society, we would follow the lead of horse girls. Well, now there's like-- there is like adult horse girls now that do like, you know, like the stick horse. Yeah. That might be-- that's holding on to it all. That's a different thing. Yeah. That's-- I would say-- let's-- let's-- early. There's a-- there's a point where we had to let go. They have to let go. They gotta let go. Let the horse run away. Let it go. Don't put a stick between your legs over the age of 20. Nope. Because I can't take you seriously. And a 13-year-old girl that stands 10 toes down for her favorite-- she can go horse knowledge all day. Enjoy it. Great. Yeah. But maybe we let go around 14, 15. Absolutely. That's what I'm wondering. You wonder if the shame of what it is in us letting go is what got us evolved. But then you go, I wish I would have just had 10% of that. 10% more to go, those are GI Joe extremes. Those fucking rule. Yeah. Buy that? Absolutely. But there is also like, you know, I have a lot of friends, this maybe says more about me, but I have a lot of friends, adult friends who are still into wrestling, very into wrestling. You're one of them. A buddy, Dwayne Trucks, from Wasper Panic. He loves wrestling. A little mayor obviously. I mean, he lives it. That's what-- He lives it. That's what we talk about exclusively. You know, so there is a certain point. There is also a letting go era, because people don't realize when I was 18 to 23, I didn't watch it. You're not emotionally invested. I can't be. I can't be. I'll tell you what, I got a little too excited for Brock Lesnar and Old Buffemi. Oh, no. I got to-- I was trying to talk about it at the seller with people, and they were not having it. I went to a wedding that dude was at. Brock? He is very huge. Yeah, dude. He is legitimately-- Super nice guy. I mean, he can be. Yeah. Because everyone else is afraid of him. And his wife was with him-- Sable. Yeah, dude. I was like, hell yeah, what's up, Sable. What's up, Sable? Thank you. Thank you for pulling it out of me for seven years. Sable came when I hit puberty, and I was like, oh, I was meant-- this was meant for me. Yeah. The attitude arrow with them showing TNA the way they did. I was like, at an age where you couldn't get porn on your phone, I was like, this fucking rule. I'll tell you. And shout out to the Nitro Girls. WCW Nitro Girls never get the credit. Hey. I agree. They did it. And it very well could have been a Sable, but for the second story, just that part of you never really dies. You know, like, I ordered a Stone Cold Steve Austin poster off at eBay for my gym. Hell yeah. And showed up as a wrong poster. And I think it was Sable or like one of the, you know, WWF, like Jix. And I was like, man, that's like a beautiful one. Yeah, it's no good. Oh, I wanted a bold puff badass. I didn't want this beautiful babe, Tristratus, not today. Yeah. Yeah. So genuinely bummed out. That was the thing. And immediately back on eBay. You go, you know, send me my fucking rattlesnake poster. Day, that was one of the things my mom really made me laugh about when I was on the phone with Stone Cold, where we were doing that cartoon with him. And I got off the phone with him and she was like, man, you were 12 years old again, but I really was. Because you're like, talking to him, you're like, yes, sir, yes, sir, I'm sorry. And heartbroken neck. I'm so sorry. I love you so much. But he's like, all right. Hell yeah, man. He's fucking shit dude. Hell yeah. Dude, you the first time, it's what you're saying, it's still in you. The first time I heard his voice, first time he popped up when I pitched the show to him. It was during COVID. When he popped up on that Zoom call, I was like, oh, yeah, like jump scare. Right. Same way I felt, stand up New York and Chris Rock walked in the first time and I saw him in person. Yeah, I was like dude you're fucking you're like the reason I'm here right now Bigger and blacker, and he was just like looked around and he's like, yeah, you know, and then I mean like with music Do you have that memory of who you were in the room with the first time that you're like? man, I mean Like Rick Rubin is one where you go. I mean, yeah, obviously like shit created deaf jam. Yeah, I mean I can walk in the room with Rick That that definitely felt was that at Shangri-La. Did you go to Rick's house? I went to Shangri-La and I'm He was doing an interview in the yard with Mike Campbell from the heartbreakers and Like sick. I just I drove past and I was like to the most like I'd easily Identifiable people of all time sitting and talking to each other and I just waited in the kitchen and then he came in and he was just like Super stoked. That's the thing I really like about Rick is that he's he's a fan first. Yeah, yeah He works with people he genuinely likes. Yeah, and he's maintained that for all these years. Yeah, he does some you know He's crazy old rich guy also big wrestling fan. That's what I was just gonna say loves wrestling Yeah, honestly, I'd probably think one of my highlights of my life would be able to talk wrestling with Rick Rubin Absolutely because he's paid attention to the whole time that you could reference eras and you go and he's he's there You'll be watching the summer slam and you're like fuck Rick Rubin. Yeah right there behind the broadcast booth Yeah, like I've I send him stuff all the time like my boy Kevin Scott bass player He has a trio called the Wednesday night Titans. I'll send it to you. Yeah, but they just play like old wrestling clips. Yeah I've seen that. Yeah, they play like jazz fusion over it. Yeah, where have I seen that I might have taught us in that I think you might have sent to me after you did the bonfire the first time probably I might have talked to Kevin about it Yeah, Kevin's the man Kevin was with you. Yeah, we did it. We're talking about Rocket League We're gonna play Rocket League on PlayStation and we were talking about yeah, fuck I think he might have said because it's cool as shit It's so badass and that's awesome They play wrestling in the background while they jam and it's but it's like they get like AWA clips They get ready. They go deep they go like NWA Charlotte like fucking 82 shit We're like damn that's totally Anderson and Kevin arms drags He was really in wrestling and Kevin was like a student of Colonel Bruce Hampton who's like our southeast like And Colonel Bruce was in slingblade, you know, he was like the rotone guy that said like the poem. Oh, yeah, you know And Doyle's apartment or and he's like so Colonel Bruce so now like when I work with Dwight Yoke I'm gonna ask him about Colonel Bruce and stuff. Yeah, hell yeah, Colonel was like everything is wrestling Everything is wrestling. He's like politics is wrestling. It is music Wrestling. It is putting people over and that's what I love about it is like You know, and I've said it a ton of times, but when you're little be a Hulk Hogan fan and when you're older You're a matriman fan because you realize matriman made everyone look like a million bucks in the ring And it was all about like him making the match look as good as possible. Yeah, Bret Hart the same way You could put Bret Hart in a ring with any but Bruce Pritchard talks about this all the time on his podcast Put Bret Hart in the ring with anybody. He'd make him look like a fucking world champ. Yeah, there's this guy There's a specific story. I forget the guy's name. They signed him to the WF at the time guys built like a great guy Looks good good on the mic. They put him in a match. Bret Hart was still part of the heart heart foundation They put him in a match with Bret Hart and they're like we got our next Hulk Hogan. This guy's fucking crazy And then they put him in a match with someone else and they're like this guy fucking sucks And you're like he was all Bret Hart that's what led to Bret Hart getting the push Yeah, because they were like oh shit this dude is Truly amazing at it, but I agree with the Colonel. It is the same way in music, too Yeah, you want to play with people who want to make the whole thing out of it Yeah, and when you play with people who are you know Occupied with themselves trying to put themselves over. Yeah, it's just it's it's it's really disappointing Yeah, yeah, that is so when you're at Rick Rubin's house and he comes in the kitchen and he's just like stoked to see you Is there a part of the back of your brain that you're like? What the fuck is my life right now? Absolutely This is truly shortly there after like I mean that that would happen time and time again But I was working there and it was during the pandemic because I met him right before the pandemic hit And then it went overseas and I came back as I had to and then I just sequestered myself at Shangri-La Really and they had this guy Dr. Johnny who retired after the pandemic because they had to bring him in every day To give COVID tests to everybody. Yeah, and I was working in the chapel and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were working in the main house So like I would sit and get my COVID test like next to flea and chats. That's crazy Just like yeah, Anthony ketis is practicing and you're like Sorry, man, I gotta practice and you go no sounds good in your brain scoop You have to have an aneurysm to make those noises That's but like do you feel when you're in that situation you got the Red Hot Chili Peppers in the main house and you're working in in the other house Is there a sense of jealousy of like how much Rick time are they getting because I feel like that's where I would go I'd be like You didn't even listen to my new riff You know like I saw that I with my boy Tyler Children's work with Rick. Yeah, yeah, I saw like his footage and I was like Rick's in the room while the bands plan like he didn't do that for me Yeah, and I was like I sound like such a bitch dude. I was telling my wife that and she was like Shout out. It was probably he was just that one day. It was probably just for that video like stop being a bitch Yeah, I was like, yeah, he right. That's what I always used to do where I'd be like Lucy Kate didn't bring me on the roadway, but and she'd be like dude, who cares Katie's like you don't need to go on the road You're you're outlining yourself and you go Yeah, I know this is be really nice to me. I am a bit of it when you realize that you'll fucking be in a bitch It's a tough one. That's find a good woman to call you a bitch. That's what you need that is end of the day That's what you need you need to go nut up. What the fuck you talking about but not in a way that you take it Personally, it just just points out like it's perspective. They love you. Yeah, so they're telling you hey You're you're and again, this is something that I think is common with people that watch that grew up without parents love in each other Mm-hmm is that you go why don't think anyone loves me and you go they do you're just you're going back to an old program setting Yeah, oh absolutely where you're like fuck dude fuck, but I want Rick because I would that would even you telling me that I go I know exactly my insecurity would lie that if if Rick Rubin wasn't down at the house the whole time going sit and cross-legged be like yeah, yeah, this is better than a big show chokeslam I'd be in my own fucking head about it But when you're making the album with Rick Rubin are there and you see him his influence put his put his fingers in it Is it the moment where you go like Dan you are your mother-fucking Rick Rubin there were there were moments of that a lot of it was just retrospective and seeing like how much he made me do it myself Yeah, you know what I mean? How much he kind of isolated me To be the one to call the shots. Yeah, and how much how much bad behavior I had to unlearn from from having lived at that point like Two or three years in Nashville at that point and just trying to construct a hit sure because we're forcing it out Yeah Rick hates commerce. He hates creating for the sake of people buying it I love that like you got to create for yourself But he wouldn't really tell me any of this directly. That's a good sense Yeah, he was a sense a hundred percent. He's just like no now. You're learning. Yeah, I made this and he's like finally I'm just waxing Rick's His car collection can suck my dick, but still I learned a lot from it. Yeah, there is You know, I think that you do have those people that teach you like hey relax, you're doing it You know Colin Quinn gave me one of my greatest notes of all time He's basically comedy's Rick Rubin. He really is comedy's Rick Rubin and there was a moment We're doing a show. This was fucking 10 years ago in Woodstock. We're doing the Woodstock comedy festival and he watched my set And he got off stage and he did the like thing and all the aggregate He's like you're walking. He's like you write all these jokes and you don't perform him He's like he just fucking stand there and fucking say a joke And he's like perform him. Yeah, you spent the time writing it you spent the time do it Fucking perform the joke and you're like damn you go to LA and you go oh, they're all performing their jokes New York we just stand there. We got business my joke and I wrote my joke Then you go to LA and you're like these motherfuckers are selling. No, I know I I get the same way man really I go see people. I'm like Yep, and the crowd goes crazy for like like I went to a Billy string show and like Yeah, Billy will fucking ribs and like we started out together. So like really I didn't know that yeah We both moved to Nashville around the same time. We were neighbors. That's sick. Yeah, that's fucking sick It's kind of one of those things you guys have just jammed yeah The thought of Marcus King and Billy strings jamming. It's making me go like Fuck no fuckers going to that's fucking awesome. Yeah, man And but you were saying you watch Billy strings like yeah, like watching Billy's show like he knows how to work a crowd yeah, and like You know, that's the same thing I again, I told him my wife about she's like Yeah, you do just kind of stand there And I'm like well okay, I'll I'll perform a little more you know, it's funny is it similarly like uh we went This is a couple years ago Katie and I went and saw Nate he was doing this like giant theater in New Jersey rear walk watching him and afterwards we were driving home and I was like, he's so comfortable. And she was like, you could be more comfortable. She's like, take your time with it. - It's a good note. - And you go, shit. And then it is. It's just like from watching someone that you know that you respect and love. And you go, fuck, I could probably use a little of that. - I don't remember who he said it to, or who said, somebody was talking about Ron White said, if things are going really well, slow down, things are going really bad, slow down. - Yeah. - I take that advice for every show. - Really? That is very good in Ronald White's one of the gods. I mean, just like, the first time I went down to Austin, he was around the mothership. I had to stop myself from calling him sir. - I do it. - 'Cause I love Ron White. He was like, how you doing? He sat down, I was like, hello, sir. You were the only thing worth a shit on the blue collar comedy tour. You wanna say something to go. You were the Bernie Mac of the White version of Kings of Comedy. - He's so sick. - And it is like, there is a thing, that is, you know what I would say? Everything is wrestling. Because that's what, when you see celebrities, when they talk about doing the WWE stuff, like Stephen Amel or like the people that have done like real matches, they say Triple H says, fucking, slow down, take your time more. And you're like, oh yeah, you don't realize it. 'Cause I think that's for anybody in life, even if you're out of fucking, even if you work in an office and you're like, I promise you can apply to something. Just take your fucking time and slow down. - Be present. - That's it, man. And that's the hardest shit in the world. That's the reason Buddha achieved Nirvana. 'Cause he slowed the fuck down and just was there. It was just present and just lived in himself. - I mean, I try to apply it to every part of my life, man. I'm like, I'm going to a wedding. I don't wanna go to with my wife. I'm like, I'm gonna find somebody here that I can connect with over something. - Yeah. - If you'd be surprised, you'd meet her friends, like cousins, husband, who also doesn't really wanna be there, but he microdoses mushrooms. And I'm talking to him about him growing mushrooms in his bathtub, I'm connecting with somebody. - Yeah, exactly. I went to a Katie had her high school reunion up in Boston and I was there and I connected with all the plus ones. 'Cause we were like, they did a full-class photo and there was like me and three guys in a girls' room. I go, are you guys plus ones? And they're like, yeah, and I go, fuck them. You wanna get a plus one photo? - Yeah. - Like, take a selfie and like, hey, fuck framing him high. (laughing) Where are the real stars? No, but shout out framing him high. Go flyers. Oh, it's flyer die. You know what I mean? (laughing) But yeah, man, I do think in an age of digital isolation, where everyone can just be by themselves and make themselves feel crazy, finding that time to slow down and connect with people. You know what I miss? Is like connecting with like a small talk at like grocery stores and shit. - Yeah, it doesn't happen. - Like, I don't miss drinking, but I miss connecting with people through drinking. - I've just gotten to the point where I can go out and really just like, I can have a few Heineken in-As or shout out, Heineken zero. Thank you for making it taste like Heineken. - It tastes so good. - It tastes just like Heineken. - Or like again, it's zero, it's fucking awesome too. - Give me a club soda with a lime. It means we feel like I'm having a little bit of this. I'll go to an airport bar and have a fucking club soda with a lime and end up talking the way that I used to talk when I was doing two shots in a beer. - Yeah. - Where you're like, "Oh fuck, I'm talking to this roofer from Cleveland. Dad died." - It's a comfortable thing. - Yeah. - And what I realized is like going out, it's like, I don't have to lower my, like I mean, you do, but it's because everyone else does. Everybody lowers, the veil's been lowered. - Yeah, and you can do it too. And it is, that's what they said in that book that I used to quit drinking the easy way to stop drinking. And he's like, there's a whole chapter about the social anxiety of stopping drinking and he goes, you're the same as you were when you were six years old and you went to a birthday party. You're scared and nervous for 10 to 15 minutes. And then 30 minutes in, you're playing pool with the guy you just met and you're like, "Oh, this is actually fun." You know, that's how I feel. Like I'm like, "Oh yeah, just give it a little bit of time." It's also nice when like, we went to a wedding and Katie noticed it. She's like, "Oh, you stay the same intelligence "and everyone drops down." And you go, "Yeah, and that's when you know "it's your time to leave." When you're seeing people beat too stupid, you go, "I gotta go." - I always tell my wife, it's like nothing after the second location. - Yeah, yeah, you've been listening to Jack Donigey from "30 Rock." - Yeah. - Never fought, of course, Lemon. You never follow a hippie to a second location. - Well, yeah, well, there's definitely that. I've always followed that. - Yeah, that's just, that was born into my fucking brain. You know, follow a hippie to a second location. - Yep. - 'Cause we were at this wedding and it's like, "Oh, we're all going to the bar." And it's like, "Oh, this bar closes at 11." We're gonna go to someone's house room. - Yeah. - I'm like, that's where it stops. - That's where I'm out. - Yeah, and your friends, Bert's really cool about that. When I'm on the road with him, he knows I don't wanna hit a second location. So he'll get me out to, like, all right, we did the show on the tour and then we'll go this place. Like "Ford Alabama." - Yeah. - But you ain't gonna get me to this. - Right. - The next place is where my bed and my steam deck is at. - 'Cause I'm gonna, I used to do drugs. I would always go to the, to the after party. And then I would end up in like an apartment with just like a lamp. You know what I'm saying? - Yeah, just like a chair. - Like a launcher. - It's just a cat that's not nice to you. - Yeah. - And you go, "What are we doing here?" - I was just like cutting it up on like a Bible. - Yeah, dude, and you go, "This isn't where I wanna be." When I was drinking, I would wake up on futons where I'd be like, "How the fuck am I on Long Island?" - Yeah. - Yeah, you're gonna write a trainback. Dude, I went drinking one time in Denver. This is after I moved away and I came back and I woke up in like an apartment with a guy I went to high school with that I wasn't even close with. And I was like, "What the fuck?" He was like, "You were hammered last night." And you're like, "How far away from you?" I'm like trying to find out where my mom's place is. I'm like, "How the fuck am I gonna get home?" - I've had a lot of those. - Yeah, but now that's the best part of growing, getting over that. Now you go, "That's the relief, free go." I never have to have that moment again. - Never have to wake up and be like. - Yeah, waking up and you go, "Exactly where I went to bed." (laughing) - No, exactly what I said to that person I don't like. - Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. It's like, I truly think that's the most refreshing part is like almost finding out. Everything we've been talking about, whether it's like stuff you wanna make or playing with figures and stuff, it's just like ownership that you feel that you go. - I don't need to do that anymore and I'm okay with that. - Yeah. - There is not like, "I'm better than anybody or my life is better." You just go like, "This is who I am now." - Yeah. - It's the ownership. - Absolutely. - Horse girl mentality. (laughing) Buy, listen, don't buy, listen, and then buy. But listen to everything that Marcus King has ever made 'cause I promise you he's one of the most talented human beings walking on this planet right now. To watch him play guitar live is truly one of my, like I've got to do it a couple of times. You fucking rip. Look out if you, how many are you gonna do another one of these blue note? - Man, yeah, I'm doing the blue note right now. So keep an eye out for that. It's all on my website. - Yeah. - MarcusKing.com. - MarcusKing official.com. I gotta mention, Waltz Across Texas is happening. We're playing stagecoach and then we're just working our way across Texas maybe. - Sick. - We're playing all these old, you know, dance halls and like hockey tunks and-- - With the MarcusKing band? - MarcusKing band. - That's fucking awesome. - We're trying to do a documentary around it just to, you know, shine some light on these old hockey tunks, dance halls like Flores Country Store and Helotes, Texas and Green Hall and Green Texas. - So if you live in Texas, be on the lookout for that. - Be on the lookout. A lot of people on Instagram and stuff saying, there's no Texas states, but it's its own thing, baby. - Yeah. - Which is great. - Texas states and you go, how about I just give you your own fucking tour? - Get your own thing. - We'll go play in some old school venues. - Yep. - There you go, man, I'm so glad you came by to do this. - Thanks for having me now. - You're one of the best. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)