Rachel Sennott

Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about our guest today. It is the great Rachel Senate, a super interesting, funny, charismatic actress, producer, writer. You know her from the film Shiva Baby, from bodies, bodies, bodies, from bottoms. She has a new show that's out right now in HBO called I Love LA. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about so many things, open mic nights. We're going to talk about TikTok and how to use it and work it and what we love about it. She's going to give me fashion advice and she's going to give me reasons to love LA, which is what her show is all about. So very great conversation. But before we get started, we always talk to someone who knows our guest, who can tell me something about our guest and give me a question to ask our guest. And we have another supremely talented, light, full, young woman joining us today. Molly Gordon. Molly Gordon is an actor. You may know her from the hit show The Bear, where she plays Claire. She is Claire on the bear. And she's in film such as Theater Camp in Ohio. She's super talented. And Molly is going to join us and give us some info about her buddy, Rachel. Hi, Molly. Can you hear me? This episode of Good Hang is presented by Walmart Express Delivery, getting gifts to your doorstep and as fast as an hour. Who needs elves? When Walmart Express Delivery can make Nespresso machines magically appear on your doorstep. And if you do happen to forget something, no judgment, you can even order gifts up until 5 p.m. on December 24th. Santa, you might want to take notes. Download the Walmart app or head to Walmart.com and get your gifts delivered fast. Subject to availability, terms, and fees apply. It's nice to meet you. Yeah, I've always seen you from afar. And like, I'm trying to send you very intense love. And I don't know if I've fully found my way over it, but yeah, but honestly, I've been listening to your podcast before I go to sleep. So you've been spending a lot of intimate time with me. Oh yeah, that makes me feel happy. I'm thrilled you wanted to talk today. But I'm so excited to talk about my wife. She really is your wife. Look, I was looking at the stuff that you and Rachel have done together and how long you've known each other. And you really are married, legally married. We're legally married. Yeah, she's my wife. We talk every single day. Well, if one of us doesn't respond, we'll just keep calling. And it's hard to know when it's like an emergency or not, I would say with, with her. But yeah, she's an incredible human being. And like, I, you guys together is going to be magic. Well, I'm thrilled to talk about her today with you. But before I do, let's not forget about Molly. Okay. What's Molly up to today? I'm prepping a movie that I'm going to direct. Fantastic. That I'm that I'm actually going to send you Ami's at some point. So we can yeah, you have to tell me live on the podcast if you want to be a part of it or not. But I'm good. I just, I made hot tea and then I burn, I like burn my whole mouth and then spit it out all over the computer. And that's kind of where I'm at right now. Let's talk about tea for a second because I'm a tea girl more than a coffee girl. Are you two? I like tea. I violently wake up and I want like seven coffees of matcha, then I have a tea around three. Okay. And what kind of tea do you like to drink? So I love this hot cinnamon spice, Harley, uh, honey and sun's tea. But usually English breakfast or peppermint. You thanks for asking. I enjoy my favorite tea is an Irish tea called berries tea, which I highly recommend. And it's a black tea. And I don't like any other, I mean, maybe occasionally I'll do a peppermint. Like if I've had a like a big meal. Of course. I want to chill out. We needed to move through you in a way. I like got it. Yeah, totally. But I've switched entirely from, I used to be kind of a coffee person and I'm totally tea. And it's made a diff. And do you feel like that's changed your whole personality? But definitely has changed my stomach's personality because I used to have to drink coffee like it was melted ice cream, like tons of cream and sugar. Yes. And now it's helped a lot to not have to get into that, like just to have that much shit. Yeah, I moved back to New York and I was like, oh, it's it's really fun to like drink so much coffee and then like be trying to make it home to your house. Like I was nostalgic living in LA for that. Like, am I going to make it home? Yes. I mean, for people who, you know, and this happens in a lot of cities, but like you get to know where you have to quickly go the bathroom. You have to learn. And then Los Angeles, you're kind of in trouble. You spend a lot of time in your car. It's tough. A sweet green, they're pretty kind of a sweet green. I do have to say. They're sweet. Yeah, they're sweet. So when was the first time you met? Tell us about your meet queue and when you met your wife? So I met my wife, I'm ex-sellering the director of Shiba Baby had a set of breakfast for me and Rachel. And we all ate and Rachel thought I was like a real actress because Rachel had just like been a stand up and and she she was asking me a lot like what it's like to be a real actress and lots of questions. And and I was kind of like I'm normal. I'm just I don't really get work and like work. It's been in like one movie. But she yeah. And then we like we read the script together and she was so funny. And I had just never met like women my age that were that unapologetically unapologetically ambitious. She is so honest about what she wants in her life and like what she does, what she's trying to achieve, like her what she does every day. And I would always hide that I wanted those things. And I feel like it was just so inspiring. But yeah, I think she kind of showed me with like with that film. She was trying out so many different things. And you know, it's that movie's a lot about sexuality and all these things. But she just showed me you don't have to fit in like some box. She was like sometimes I want to do this. Sometimes I want to do this. And like I don't know I when I was thinking about what I wanted to ask her, I was like how did you have that confidence like exactly what I wanted to start with because but it's a funny question, right? I've been doing this podcast for a while and there's people that come in and I want to say how did you know what you knew? Like like how did how did you get this sense of yourself? And it's a hard one to answer because it's sometimes it's just kind of the way that they came out into the world. Totally. And she's still speaking of what we're saying about containing multitudes like she's still really vulnerable. But she's just but I don't the first time I met her Amy, she was like I wrote four scripts. I'm doing this. I want to do this. And like I have just never seen anyone act that way because you think oh, that's like going to show that you have a big hat or something. But it's like no, she wants to create things. Yeah. But I don't know it's it's you can get into it with her. But it's like yeah, she wants to create things and she wants to have great sex and she wants to have a great meal and she wants to cuddle with her friends. Like she wants all of those things and there's nothing wrong with that. And you don't need to choose one lane to be in or something. She had a baby was made for $200,000. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy. And how much did it end up making? And that all went to me. Yeah, you have a your quote was $199,000. Yeah. I had only worked a little bit of my quote was I don't know how much it made, but it definitely not that much because it came out in COVID. We do have to say Emma and Rachel always laugh that the movie is huge in London. We don't think not a people don't know it in the States, but in London, we're huge. You walk around and it's like the Beatles. In London, I'm like having to go like this, but everywhere else. There must be a lot of like Jewish women who have sex at chivas. I don't know. Yeah. And they all live in London. Yeah. Okay. So just to be clear, your question for Rachel is what? My question for Rachel is people have said that you from a young age were very unapologetically ambitious. Where did that come from or how did you learn to be that way? Where did that instinct? Where was it through line? Great question. Okay. And then the last single thing is there anything you want me to any story you want me to prompt Rachel to tell? Because she's a very good storyteller. I've noticed on these kind of things. I'd love for you to ask her about the first time that she was fingered. Fantastic. I'm sorry. It's an incredible story and she used to do it and oh and I'd also love you to ask her if she'll come back to stand up. Great. So did she tell her fingering story on stage? Okay. Great. It's not like a violation. Yeah. Yeah. You can say Molly or like someone was bringing up you know some of your first pleasuring experience forever but I think her and I don't need to get back to stand up. I know they're famous actors now but it's like come on. - We gotta see you on stage. - I know, they're so funny. And stand up is, it is like I wanna talk to her about because as you know, and you know from being on stage, like if you can be on stage and hang in there, you build a muscle where you can kinda almost, you can handle almost anything, almost anything. - Yeah. - It's so good talking to you in the course of us talking, your hair has looked incredible down and also looks incredible up. - I have to be honest, it's a gorgeous up to. - It's so dirty, but it's really exciting. - It is stunning. - Oh, and like, and then you got like perfect. - It looks like you're just ready to walk out into the streets of London and just be mobbed. - I gotta get to London. I just gotta get there in minutes, I'm pretty. - All right, have a blast. - Okay, thank you so much, it was so fun talking to you. - Bye. - Bye. - This episode was brought to you by Visible. When your phone's plans as good as Visible, you've gotta tell your people. 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And also, I don't like feeling short. - No. - Does that make sense? - Right now I'm feeling very tall. - Okay good. - I'm feeling five-six. - We're both giving five-six right now. - We are? - Yeah, that's my dream. - Five-six is my dream actually. - Me too. - I'm with Rachel Senet. - She is here. - Rachel, I'm so happy that you're here. - I am so happy that you're here and so is my entire family. My dad was freaking out. And he was like, tell me about your dad. - He, I'm addicted to him. My love, my dad. - This is what is so incredible about people in their 30s. They love their parents. - You take, you take a journey. And I literally just turned 30 like a couple weeks ago. And I locked, it's almost like you have to like go away and be like, oh, I'm an adult. You don't even fucking know me. And then I like, something shifted and you're like, you're my friends. - You know what, it's actually, I do want to talk about that. That's actually really deep. It does happen in your 20s, you have to kind of separate. - Yes. - And it's painful. - It's painful. - Was it painful for you? - Yes. And I'm like scared because I know of everything I've done. I'm like, both of my parents are absolutely listening to every second of this. - Okay. - Other things, they're like, we'll skip that one. So I'm like, let me try to, let me try carefully. - Tell me about your parents. They are, what are they, what were they, what are they like, what did they do, what was their job? Because here's one of my highest compliments. - Yes, yes. - You seem like a Manhattan NEPO baby and you're not. - Girl, don't fur with me. Thank you. - Thank you. - Congrats. - Thank you. - I am maybe an insurance NEPO baby, basically in that my dad works in insurance and he did hook me up with car insurance multiple times. 'Cause I was driving around with a car with no insurance. I'm getting in car accidents and he was like, let me help you. - He was like, this is what I do. - This is what I do. So my parents both were accountants and they met when they were both accountants at the same firm. And then fell in love, dated secretly. - Fun. - Because they were sort of like, we gotta keep it low key. Which like, you, they're like, we don't want it to mess with the numbers. - We don't want our romance to get like, to screw up the numbers. - Literally, by the way, they, when they got married, they got a mug that said, which doesn't make sense. A mug that said beware of accountants, they multiply. - Which I'm like, they don't. You two were already accountants and then you got together and none of your five children are accountants. - Well, excuse me, five children. - Five children. - Five children. - Where are you in the birth order of that? - I'm second oldest. - Ah, so they fell in love and they just started. - They multiplied. - They, I mean, multiplied, they started popping up out. And I will say, I feel like they, they, having five or four siblings, but being in a big family is a huge part of who I am. Because I think it's like, automatically, you have so many different personalities. It's like, if you put us all together, there's like, you could kind of make connections between like pairs, but some of it is really random. Like where you're like, all of you guys. And I think like my parents did a really good job raising us and sort of like taking everyone, basically like not putting anyone's needs above another, like everyone's career and what everyone does is equally important and like, you sort of had to like, you know, shout at the dinner table to be heard. - Yeah. - And like, you automatically have to compromise because it's like, there's no way everyone's gonna be happy all the time. - Well, and you have two very right brain parents, it sounds like, too. So are you looking, and you have pursued a very artistic path in your family with the siblings? Does it go either way? There's some people that are like strong and stem and numbers people and other people that are artists. - I would say we've got, I'm gonna say three artists, but because I'm gonna say my mom, secret artist, like she did like my first play ever with me. I was like, I really want to audition for a play and she was like, all audition with you. This is so different, so different. And she and she like sings and like plays piano. So it's like, I feel like the art was there. My dad, not an artist, but like trying to make everyone else do art, so he like forced me and my siblings to like play in a quartet for a family. - That's very Matthew. That's very numbery. - Yes, like you will play. - Yes. - Music and instruments is still like-- - Still kind of mouth. - In a counten stream. - That's totally, totally. - Yeah, yeah. - Versus whatever the hell I'm doing. It's a little more lefty Lucy. - Well, what I love about what you just said, 'cause it does feel like you're in a, you grew up in a family where you had to kind of, you know, you just have to make space for yourself. - Yeah. - You have to figure it out. Like you said, you have to kind of compete in a healthy way. - Yes. - One of the things that I love about you, not knowing you, we're meeting for the first time is that there's something about the way that you are in your own experience, like your own body that's very grounded and very self-assured. And it's kind of like you have it or you don't. It's like this, an effable thing where you just, you make us lean into you, Rachel. Like you, you're kind of yourself in real time and we all become very interested and curious about it. Like there's not a grasping energy from you. You're kind of doing your thing and people are like invited to come along. And that's really nice of you to say. And that means a lot coming from you. 'Cause you have, I feel like it's like in comedy and like I read your book, I read Tina's book when I was like in college and starting stand up. And like I feel like especially when I think to like the beginning when you're like the first, not the first women in comedy, but like you're forming a group. Like I feel like my friend group took so much inspiration from you guys of being like, I've got my girls. You know what I mean? And being like, I'll go to the weird up and mic with you and the whatever. But like carving out that space for yourself and being like, you come to us as opposed to like trying to be a part of the other thing that you're like not necessarily invited to. - So let's get into, okay, we talked about your parents. You're in Connecticut. You grow up in Connecticut. And again, you seem like a Manhattan kid congrats. - Thank you. - Connecticut is a strange state 'cause it's like, what is it? - Who is it? - Where is this happening? - Right, like red socks, Yankees, like what do you want? - Okay, and thank you for asking that red socks, red socks. I got actually like, absolutely, my dad reams at my ass because I put on my boyfriend's Yankees cap. I just thought it would be a little flirty. And I picked up a face-time for my dad and he was like, take that off of that. - Yeah, take that off right now. - That's not okay. - You can't do it. - No, that's not okay. So you're more in the Boston side. - Yes. - But you grow up there and you get to NYU. - Yes. - Where is that jump from you like, at the dinner table, being funny with your family and deciding, I wanna get to NYU and like be a performer. How does that happen? - So I always wanted to like perform. I feel like I did the classic thing. - Well, you were in plays. - I was forced to, I was doing plays. - You were in Les Mis. - I was in Les Mis. - Wow. - Yes, it was. - What part? - I was in Omtenartier, of course. - Who? - She, you just said it in a French way. - Omtenartier. - I was, I was, she was sort of, do you know the master of the master of his wife? - Oh, the master of the house, ladies. - Yes. - Okay. [BLANK_AUDIO] - No, she had this master of the house later. - You had the comedic part. - Yes, I had the comedic part. And you know, anytime I was in a play in high school, there were like, that's a witch, or the head of the prostitute house. Like, it was really, it was like, that was the only part I was getting cast in. - Why do you think that was? Why is a little kid today? 'Cause I know, but I kinda know what you mean. 'Cause it's usually the comedic part. - Yes, yes. - Why were they like seeing some, like, did you have like a maturity in that age, or you just like, self-assured on stage? Do you know what I mean, like, not nervous? - I think it was like, I was not vocally talented, and loud, and I think loud, and I think like, I don't know, I look, I'm like, it was always like, and you heard the little, the ratty little, whatever. And I'm like, okay, I really, 'cause at that time, I was like, obviously I wanna be, 'cause that, I wanna be up to me, and I wanna be like singing the pretty little voice. They heard me sing three bars, they said. - But you're gonna speak the whole song. - And they're usually the most boring of the song. - They are. - Even though, yeah, Epinene has some great songs. - Yeah, 'cause that has some great songs. - Yes, they've made this incredible. - Yeah, they're bangers, and by the way, the girl who played Epinene in my high school, like, went on to play Epinene on Broadway, and I was like, wow. - You know, Emily Batista, I gotta hand it to you. You were meant for the part, voice of an angel. - Incredible. - Incredible, yeah. - So I was like, I'm not taking it personally. - Can we talk for a second about loud? - Loud, 'cause I'm, I'm relating. Like, I was a loud kid. - Yeah. - And there's something like, underneath being like, a loud, young kid, that's kind of, can be very exciting, especially if you're like a young woman. - Not always, sometimes people don't like it. - Sometimes they hate it, yeah. But it is like, it's like, carving out space, like, taking up space somehow, and people saw that in you. - Yeah, and they were like, she's not afraid to, I guess, that or they were just literally like, we can't get her to shut up, like, just give her this part, and maybe she'll lose her voice, yelling on stage, and then she won't be like, annoying at home. But I do think you're right, it's like, you have to sort of like, be loud first, and then figure out how to make it like, entertaining as you go. But I think once you break that, I also like, I feel like I've always had like a loud laugh, which like, I've read about like, tear laugh, at the table read that SNL and whatever, and it's like, I think like, not being afraid to like, bring joy into the space or be like, I don't know, once, once you start shouting, you're like, I'm not gonna talk quiet. Like, it's just you break into that space, and then you can refine what you're saying, or how funny it is or whatever. But I think like, that instinct was always there. - Yeah, and that brings you to NYU, where you kind of join this class of people who are now your friends and successful actors and actresses in their own right, who you meet. Like, tell us about coming to NYU, like those early days there. - I, so I think I at first felt like, I didn't fit in at all, and I have like a really hard time, 'cause the acting program was very like serious, and it was very like, Shakespeare, and like, we're doing, we're like, walking around the room in your cat, and then you're like a chicken, and I was like, but everyone's like crying while they do it, and I'm like, what am I missing? - What am I missing? - Yeah, the money is gone, we paid, so I gotta do something with this, but wow, this is crazy. Like, it was that I was scared, and I just felt, and you know what I mean? Like, it's like, and you're looking around and everyone's like so locked into it, so you're like, there's something wrong with me. - Do you think they were locked into it, or was it like peer pressure to feel locked into it? 'Cause like, now it feels like a cult, a little, where everyone was like, I'm crying as the chicken. I'm feeling they, like, you know, but I felt like, oh, there were a lot of opportunities that the school had, which was like, the plays, the school did shows that you could audition for, didn't get into any of those. The school had like, improv and sketch groups, I didn't get into any of those. - Yeah, really, really dang, I bet they're regretting that. - Probably not, they're probably like, well, another year of doing our sketches. - That's really, I'm really surprised. - I didn't, and Iowa Debris, who I met, didn't either, and that's when we first met was like, at the auditions for those groups. - Sometimes that's just the best motivator. - Literally. - Literally. - By the way, I'm like, I always need, whenever like, something doesn't work out for me, I'm like, thank God. - Yeah. - Whenever I'm like-- - Rejection is God's protection. - Period. - And also, it's like, whenever I'm flopping, I'm not scared. It's when I'm doing well, or then I'm happy when I'm terrified. - Okay, that is the best way to say it, Rachel, is that to flop and not be scared. - To flop and not be scared. - That's a very powerful thing. It's a super power, if you can do it. - Because the best things happened to me, right after I met rock bottom. Like, whenever I'm like rejected hard, whenever like, I'm like in love with someone who like is treating me like garbage, that's when I fly. That's when 'cause you sort of like, let go of everything and you're like, fuck it, I'm at rock bottom, I don't care. - Let's go, that's a beautiful time. Is when I'm soaring that I start, I'm like, I'm soaring. The ground is really far away, I'm gonna fall. Like, and then I get in my head and that's when, yeah. - So you are auditioning, you and I are both not making what you wanna make, what happens then. - Then I think that's when I started being like, okay, I have to find my own opportunities. And I think that's sort of when I started to find my friends and my community and doing stuff on our own. So I started like, I started doing stand up. - So tell us about your first like. - Yeah, 'cause you were on a date, is that true? - Is that true? - Yeah, so basically, this poor guy is like, he's also in Les Mis, he's always in Les Mis. No, I feel bad 'cause I'm like, every, it's like, I still know him. He is like a comedy producer, whatever, great guy. But he basically, we went on like, I wanna call it a day, but it was like really like, we went to the dining hall and then he like fingered me, but it was, I'm like, that was hard, ain't it? But he's a lovely person. I use a lovely person. I just call it, you know, nothing. But do you know what I mean? Yeah, sometimes that just happens. But so he was like, you should do stand up. I've been going to open mics, do you wanna come with me to one? And so, wait, and he was gonna perform and he performed. He did perform. Okay, so he was like, do you wanna come watch me perform? He was like, do you wanna come watch me perform, but do you wanna go to and try it? - He encouraged. - Got it, got it, got it. Shout out, he encouraged. So we go to an open mic and I think I did stand up about like him fingering me like two days before. So I was just like, I have no experiences other than this. It's like pretty, like I'm still like a freshman. Like I'm like, can you tell us a little bit more about what you talked about? Would you be okay to tell us? - Absolutely, okay. - I, this is where I got into something that I think I've hopefully grown out of. But I, the fingering was weird. And then my first joke, which I think he helped me write, was that it was like, or maybe I think maybe my friend, my friend Moss helped me write this part. Moss percoding, very funny, stand up and write on SNL. Who I just got to work with recently. So I was just there and it was really funny. - He's lovely, he's so funny. So Moss and I would do open mics together too. So I think Moss actually helped me write this part of the joke, which was that like he was fingering me and it was like trying to trick a vending machine. (laughing) - Great joke. - Great joke. - Great joke. - That I think all I brought to the story was like, it kinda hurt and then he like helped me write that part. But I did that and I got like, I also, it's like your first open mic you go on stage and you're like, also I'm like 18 years old at like a random open mic with like guys from New Jersey and I'm like, hi, it's my first open mic. So obviously like everyone, the room was warm. The room was warm. - Warm. - It was toasty. - Yeah. - So I fill with perverts. - Yeah. (laughing) - Absolutely. So and at the time I'm like, I'm a genius. Saying a joke, I didn't write in a room full of six perverts who are all just like, maybe she'll only be here for one week and then she'll kiss one of us totally. So at this time, I'm thinking like, I'm crushing. I am crushing. So I do that joke, whatever. And I get that like high of performance. - Yeah, totally. - And then like for the next like two years of open mics, I'm really bad. But I am like chasing that initial high of performance. - Yes. - And when you were doing stand-up, like were you feeling like there was a party that was like, I'm gonna be a stand-up. Like I'm gonna be a stand-up. Or did you feel like stand-up was a tool or like a stepping stone to what you wanted to do, which was right, act, direct, all the stuff you're doing now? - I think like a little bit of both. I think in the beginning I was like, I just wanna do whatever I can get my hands on. - Yeah. - And like you can do an open mic for like five dollars you buy like a beer or something and you can do as an open mic. So I was like, - Okay, I can do this, and I did that. I did like every student film exercise that I could do. There is like, I have like a whole reel of like some of the worst dialogue in history. I know, no hate, but it was really like, I'm doing any, I would do them like back-to-back-to-back and I would like skip class to all these films. But then also, I met talented filmmakers that way. I met my friend Emma Salogman, and who directed Shiva Baby and Bottoms. And so I was doing that. And then I started writing sketches. I, when I did a sketch together, that that's sort of like one of my early memories of us like forming a bond because she was so funny. And I was like, I was laughing the entire sketch completely unusable takes for me, but I was like cracking up at her. And then like, I wrote a sketch that these sketches about the babysitters club that she was in. And then we performed on each other's shows. So it was like, I was slowly like, building out the community of like friends. So it was like, I met Io Moss, my friend Katerina, who's a writer-director, Emma. So it was like, I felt like I got to like, build out my community. - I mean, that's what it kind of feels like, the 20s are about. - Yeah. - Is like figuring out who is like me? - Yes. - How can we help each other out? Like, how can I form some kind of community to get me through the next X amount of years? Like of trying to do the thing that I want to do? - Yeah. - Yeah. And when you were in that period in your 20s, like, well, I mean, you just said that you turned 30. - I just did. - What did you do for your 30th birthday? What, how did you celebrate it? - Because I gotta tell you, my vision of you is that you're partying every night. (laughs) - Am I wrong? - Some times, but okay, okay, let me, I have so many things to say. - Okay. - First, I just have to say, I just do, do you know about your Southern return? - Not only that, but I believe that I'm going to, in just a year or two, be entering my second. - Oh, my God. - Because I've been doing research for this because of your show, because I love LA, which we're gonna talk about. And it's all about Southern return, which you just went through. - I did. - And I believe you go through a second one in, I'm 54, but I think you start going through a second one, like 56, 57, and I have to. - Are you scared? - I could look it up, but are you, are you scared or excited? - I'm excited. - You're excited. - Very excited. - Because it does, I will say, it's nice back to the rock bottom thing. - Yeah. - When life sort of like shakes you up, and you're like, whatever, let's rock. - How did it shake you up? - Okay, I, I feel like it was like, the whole thing is like three years long, but there's really like one month. That's like super chaotic, or for me, there was like a month when that was like really bad. And I felt like everything all happened in one month, but basically like, I feel like in my early 20s, I was partying every night. I was like very messy, chaotic. I was like crying at the bar on the table. Like it was really crazy. - Yep. - Then I feel like I moved to LA, and I like, I got really like a little weird, and like, hermity and like kind of, I don't know, I went through this thing where I was just not feeling good in myself. Like the strike was happening, I was really depressed. And I think I also like had a lot of insecurities about like, myself as a writer or a creator, like I didn't think I could like, make something on my own and I was really scared too. And then I think like basically the big part of this out of return was like, I went through a breakup, and I didn't know about it if my show was gonna get picked up. But in the meantime, I had to sort of say no to other opportunities, which was really hard for me, especially 'cause I think I defined myself off of my work and my value off of my work. And so I was like, I have to say no to stuff and like trust my gut, that this is gonna happen, and that I can make something on my own. And when I say on my own, literally I made it with amazing room of writers, amazing coach or runner, directors, blah, blah, blah. - Of course, but you know, women always feel obliged to say that and they don't have to. - But it just, it was, but you know. - I take it back. - I fucking take it back. - Because no, you're absolutely right. Nobody does anything alone. - Oh, yeah. - Nobody is anything alone, but you're making a really interesting point, which is like, which I see this in you and women that you're coming up with, which is this moment where you have to kind of decide to take ownership of the stuff that you wanna make and decide that you're ready to do it. - Yes, because no one's, I think like it's also like, you can't do anything until you do it. Like it's like, I directed an episode, you just have to direct one day and be like, okay, like obviously you're prepared. - Of course. - You draw the little pictures. - Yeah, you make the pictures. - All the things of what I write the list. - And you go, I think the shirt should be blue. - Well, that's the thing about directing and I wanna talk to you about this because you've been really, I love how you talk about directing and producing and writing and show running, which is, you know, people act like everything is like a secret room. Like we learn this from Hamilton. - Yeah. - Like that, like there's a room where it happens and only certain people are allowed in it and there's a language and a vocabulary and only one way to do something and it keeps people out of the room. - Yes, totally. And then you get in the room and it's like three guys being like, I think we should shoot it really slow. I think we should do it really fast. And you're like, this is all the room. - This is what they're saying. This is what they're saying here. - Totally. - You're kidding me. And they have snacks. They're ordering like three rounds of coffees. It's just saying, I think we should shoot it slower. I got pissed. - Yeah, it's incredible once you get inside the room. And then you get a high and then you're like, I'm staying in here and I'm ordering 10 coffees and I'm shooting it fast and then slow. So you're going through your Saturn's return. - You come out the other side and you greet 30. - Yes. - Do you party on your 30th birthday? - I do party on my 30th. - That's what I do. - I do, sorry. - That's what I do. - Okay, I do party. - What does that look like? - I went to Sicily for my friends' wedding. - Okay, great. - And I really partied there and then I stayed there for the week. - Perfect. - And this is what I expected Rachel had. I'm happy to hear this. - And I really went off. - It was great. It was fabulous. And it was good because I feel like I've been working for so long, like I went into the whole of making the show. And now I'm out every night. I'll tell you that. I am, I'm going to a concert tonight if you wanna come. - Where are you going? - I'm going. Okay, I'm going to see Gina Carole Della. - I wish I did. - You're gonna. - You Jenna? - I'm like that song, "Sex on the Bee." You gotta get under that. - I'm so old. - Della. - Wait, you'll let your concert. - It's her concert. And I'm going and I can't wait. And then I'm going to do. I just basically, this is the other thing. Tell me if you do this. When. - She's a Slovakian singer songwriter. - Yes, very cool. - She's very cool. But she, so I'm going to that tonight. But I do this thing when I'm like shooting something where it's like you put off every single person in your life, you make promises you can't keep. Which is like you're like, "Yeah, when this is over, I am gonna be, I am gonna be out. I am gonna be just going to the club and then dinner and then we should go on a hike the next morning, really early." Like I make so many promises. And then it's like you get into a debt, a social debt, but it's actually kind of fabulous. 'Cause then you just commit to a period where you're like, "So you're in that period right now." So tonight is a dinner first. I love talking to people about plans because I don't want to do them, but I want to hear your plans. - I want to know. - Yeah, I want to know what you're doing tonight. - Okay, so the plan is we're doing a group dinner. - Amazing where? - At my boyfriend's house, we're ordering food. - Fun. - So we have a small group going, we're pre-gaming. - What time is this? - This is probably eight o'clock. - Fuck. - That's okay. - That's just dinner. - I know. I like an early dinner too, but it's more, it's sort of like, you know, if we do dinner too early, then we're gonna get sleepy before the show. - Right. - So we got to sort of what I'm thinking instead of like when it should be dinner, that's when I'll be taking a nap. - Yeah. - But of course I'll be sleeping with my glam on, 'cause I want to keep it for the show. - So obviously I'm gonna be like this. - Like a soap opera, sorry. - Like a soap opera, so it's dark. - Yeah, glam on. Like this, getting lipstick on the pillow and then I'll jerk away, seven, 45. Listerine, you know, swishing around. - Yes. - Bam, dinner, people start arriving. Dinner, order in, order in, no cooking. - That no cooking, we're no cooking. For that many people. - Six, that's crazy. (laughing) - Cooking for six people. - That's outrageous. - What are you, some kind of machine? - No! - Six people, the way. - I only know how to make sweet potatoes and ground turkey and then we're gonna be burping, garlic, all over the aros at the concert. - Right. - I can't do that. - No. - So, then you eat. - Then we eat and it's like, you know, drinking a little, maybe I'm trying on outfits, maybe I'm leaving dinner, coming back, presenting an outfit to the girls. - Oh, that's fun. - Yeah, I agree, you thought. (laughing) - Okay. - No, I don't, but I in general have a weird relationship to outfits. - Really? - And I'm very, very intrigued by your relationship to outfits. 'Cause for me, outfits, I don't have the feeling, like, I'll use my friend, my good friend, Maya Rudolph as an example. When Maya Rudolph gets dressed and she gets to change, she would love to do that, but you're doing, like, coming in and out of the room with different outfits. - Yes. - You're like, look at my outfit. Then my outfit, that to me feels so stressful. - Do you know what you should do? - Do you like to smoke weed? - I don't really smoke it anymore, but I will. - Okay. For this, or it could be a glass of wine, or it could be a little CBD joint, or whatever. - I'd rather weed over wine. - Okay. - Yeah. - Let's do a, let's do a weed. - Let's do a gummy. - Okay, all right. - You not fuck a gummy. - Okay. - Now, you can, I kind of think it's good to do this, like, on your own. - Okay. - 'Cause then you, and like, maybe-- - Am I self? - Yes. - Okay. - Start by yourself, because then you're not, you know you're not doing it for anyone. - Or-- - Ooh. - You better believe I'll come over. I'm in my social chapter, I'm free. So-- - I'm already worried that you're overbooking yourself. - Just don't promise that. - Okay. - Okay. - But I'm just saying. - Okay. - I would say do it in, like, the daytime. - Gummy? - Ice coffee. - So that you're-- - Right. - Your body's fighting itself. (laughing) - Okay, I mean, my heart is blazing sun. Gummy and ice coffee. Two o'clock in the afternoon. I just can't see all my plans. And what do I do next? I go to my closet. (laughing) - Plan elevator, getting really high from the coffee, and then getting really down from the gummies. (laughing) - What do I do? - What do I do? - What do I do? - Okay, music. What do I play? What do I play? - I think it's like something really like-- - Oh, you're ethereal, fun. - Okay. - Like, like, you know, you make me feel like dance and, okay. (laughing) I'm just kind of good telling you about a Saturday that I had. - Okay. - Like, how are you gonna go? - Okay, perfect. - And then you just start trying shit on. - Okay. - And you throw stuff on the floor, and you take pictures with stuff, and it's like, and maybe like halfway through, you stop, you order some food. And it's like, and by the way, you're not picking up any of the clothes until the next day when you're not high and be going anymore. - That's gonna be really hard for me. - Okay. But that's okay, but that's okay. - But it's part of it is it's just like, there's no, like, there's no, I'm cleaning, there's no, I'm organizing, you're playing. You're trying stuff on, and you should also have a mirror with really good light. This is why I'm saying the daytime, 'cause in my house, I have a mirror that only looks good at a certain time. So you can take this and, you know, just for like your vibe, you know, like, but this is just for me. - This is actually really helpful because it is about, like, what you're talking about is about play, just not making everything so serious. - Not making everything so serious. And it's like, you can take pictures of stuff or lots of times I'll do videos of me like walking and then walk into the camera and back, and then I text them all to my sisters and I go like, heart, which ones you like. - Okay, this feels like a very sister thing. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But sisters do for each other. - Yes, and then you can get feedback and then they can be like, drop the vest, keep the scarf. - Right, you know. - And do you take that feedback? Do you go? - Depends. - Depends. - Depends, because it's like sometimes I'm like, you don't know, this is a really good outfit. And then sometimes you, by the way, sometimes you'll try on an outfit that you created that day. That, this is, that's inventing outfits. - This feels like level two. I feel like I'm at level two right now. I just need to start. - This is start by taking the gummy during the day. - Just start by taking the gum. Just start by getting high in the morning. - And then work your way up. - Or your way up. - So all of this. (audience clapping) - Okay, you and your sisters. - Yes. - Make me think about the women that you have like, kind of like your chosen sisters. Like you said, I owe. - Yeah. - And another chosen sister is Molly. - Yes, love Molly. - Molly Gordon, who we spoke to for this interview. - Love, I love her. I just talked to her last night. - She said, you guys talk every day. She called you her wife. - What, wife, sister. We're like, it's which is weird. But like five different things. - So for people who like are getting, 'cause I think like there's a lot of people who are getting to know your work, Molly's work, I/O's work, like you are this rising class. I think of really, really talented artists and filmmakers and showrunners and writers and actors. But Shiva Baby was a film that you and Molly did together that was this teeny tiny film that really like exploded and took off. Can you talk a little bit about the path of that? - Yes. So that was a crazy experience and it's crazier now looking back at it. Because so it was first a short film that Emma Seligman wrote and directed that I was in. And it got into South by and after it got into South by, Emma was like, I still remember it was like, Emma and I like met up at a dig in for a dig in. - What's a dig in? - Oh my god. - At a dig in? - A dig in. It's a fast casual lunch place. - It's like a dig in is a restaurant. - It's like a sweet cream. It's like a sister of a sweet cream. - Sweet cream was brought up earlier because Molly was like, that's a nice place to go the bathroom. They're usually nice at a sweet cream. - They'll let you. - So dig in is that an LA thing? - No, it's a New York thing. - Look how they don't know it. Okay, good to know. - I think they have them here too, but there was really a chapter where it was big in New York when we were in college. - Got it. - So we needed a dig in. We're catching up and Emma is like, I'm gonna make Shiva Baby into a feature and that's also the same day that we came up with the loose idea for bottoms and we started writing it. - Wow. - So we're writing bottoms. Emma's also writing Shiva Baby. And basically it was like this slow process of building the movie out. And it's like, no one wants to make a first time filmmaker's movie. It's like so impossible to get people behind you. And it was sort of like this game of like, we're trying to cast the movie. We don't have the money for the movie. I want to shout out Rianne Jones who was one of the producers who was like the first person to like be like, I'm giving you guys money to make this movie and gave like a big chunk of money. It was like a super indie movie. I think the budget was around like 200K. But it's like, that's really hard. - Yeah. - To raise that money when you are college students. - Yeah. - And all you have is a short film. - Of course. - So it's like I remember like talking with Emma and we're like trying to cast the movie without the money, get the locations, but get the funding at the same time. So it was all of that. And when Molly signed on to do it, it felt like, oh my god, like she's legit. 'Cause we had seen both seen her in Booksmart and been like, she is so funny. - Right. - So funny and like, she's a real actress. - I mean, that's exactly what she was talking about. Like she said, when you guys met, you were like, you're a real actress. And she was, but I relate because when you come through the door of like comedy, you often feel like that's just kind of like, you just, you've always, that's the door you've always come through. - Yeah. - And it takes a minute to figure out that you know, everyone is talented at a lot of things. - Yeah. - So were you feeling then insecure about you're acting or anything? - Definitely. - You were, I was, because I had never been, I was all of a sudden in the lead of a film that wasn't fully funded yet and didn't have a location. Like it was so like, it was like, I think we got the rest of our funding like a day before we shot the movie. And basically we go to film the first scene. And it's me and Molly. And I clam up and I just, oh, you whispered. I whispered. Right. 'Cause you know, sometimes when we're really nervous, we get like very sleepy and tired. - Really? - And I'm like, no one can tell if I'm doing a bad job if they can't hear me or see me. So it's like the first thing we film is that scene where we like run into each other. We talk for the first time in the Shiba. And I'm like, this guy says, yeah. And it's like Emma's like, cut. And so then Emma like pulls me aside because they're an amazing friend and director and they're like, so we can't hear anything. We can't hear a word that you're saying. And I'm like, totally, did this in private, thank God. And it didn't really nicely, but it was like, I think just like maybe have a little more voice. And I was like, totally. We go again and then I'm like, so good as you. And it was, I was like sweating. - This is so interesting because we started talking about how little Rachel on stage being loud. And then you have this moment, you're like, okay, now I'm a real actor and now I'm gonna get very quiet. - It's so cold. - I'm actually gonna do the, it's like, I'm not gonna pitch my fastball. I'm gonna do the opposite of what I do well. - I'm gonna drop it. I'm going to drop the ball on the floor. Yeah. I would be like, the mound, we'll keep the mound. The mound. Your dad and the red socks would want to know that you can extend that baseball metaphor. So it would be on the mound. On the mound. On the mound. We're sports. Yeah. But that's so interesting. So that, and then what happens? And then I think Molly basically was like, Molly can do-- she charmed the pants off of me, basically. And was like, she just started improving and talking to me. And talking before we were rolling. And I didn't feel like I was in a scene anymore. I felt like I was like talking to her and flirting with her, but feeling like, and it just clicked for me. And like between Molly and Emma, Emma coming. And then it was like, we got into a groove. And then Emma came over and was like whispering seven my year of like, really? Like, make a work for it on this one. Or like, like, give it on this one. Give it on this one. And let's move the camera slower on this one. Let's camera slower on this one. That's fast, fast, really fast. And then Molly was like improvving. And like, I just felt like, basically, they just-- I just felt like so, like, brought into the space. And then I felt like, I know how to do this. But it was like, I think, I just watched both of them, like, shine and, like, bring me into their-- like, like, artistry is like a big word. But I kind of felt like they both were like, come here. You can do this. And like, it just-- anyways, it really, like, opened everything up for me. And it was really special. Very cool. Yes. Now Molly had a question for you. OK. And the first one was, please have Rachel tell the fingering story, which you already told naturally. I did it on my own. Wow. It's incredible. So thank you for that. And then this-- And she said, basically, said, when she met you, that what she was so drawn to, and what I feel drawn to you right now, I'm feeling the same thing, which is the great audacity of, here's what I want to do. I want to do this. I want to do this, like, ambition, not being afraid of it, like, feeling like you want to take up a lot of space. And she said, that confidence, like, have you always had that? The question is, where do you think that came from? It's interesting, because I look back at myself at that time. And I think I was very insecure and anxious, but at the same time. I did always have this feeling of, like, I have to do this. And I think that's for my family, for sure. Like, I think it's like, there was this thing of, like, OK, if you're going to do it, then do it. And I think, like, in my mind, I was like, I can't even entertain the possibility of not doing this, because I don't have any other plan. I don't-- There's never a job you would want to do instead of this. Do you ever think about, like, another major, or another job? Other than insurance salesman or account? Yeah. I think now that I'm here, I'm like, I would love to do marketing. I love marketing. Wait, what do you mean? I just love marketing. I just started getting on marketing calls, and I'm like, these girls are fabulous. They're just so-- I'm just like, I love marketing. You like figuring out how to get the message out? Yes. You're very good at marketing. You're very good at TikTok. Very good at Twitter. And you better believe I have sounds saved for us. For a TikTok? Yeah. If you're down. I have a question-- a TikTok question for you. How do you get your TikToks to move so fast? You make it slow. I'll show you. Wait, do you-- do you-- do you ever do slow-mo? So then it speeds it up. No. We'll do that today. You shoot it in slow-mo? You shoot it, yes. So it shoots in-- So the sound-- Talking about a cap-cut situation? No. I won't do that to you. I will not do that to you. Someone's laughing. Claire? Claire is laughing because I had to help me with doing what I've always wanted to do, which is green screen. Basically, I'm talking in front of a picture. That's what I want to do, and I don't know how to do it. I can show you-- I can show you today. I can show you. I just found out how Claire taught me. And now I can teach you. OK, we might have to do that. We have to do that. Is talk about ourselves in front of a picture. In front of a picture. We could even take a photo of us pose. And then we can analyze our outfits. We could do anything. We can do whatever we want. It's so fun. It's so fun. Why is it fun? Because I think it's fun, too. Why do you think it's fun? I feel like I'm playing with clay and dough. Like I feel like I'm like Play-Doh. I feel like I'm doing crafts. And then afterwards, you get to watch it over and over and go, I made that. I did that just now. It's so fun. It is so fun. And then it always is in the colors. It's just the best. But it makes sense to me because you definitely have this sense of knowing how to exist in that space. And it kind of comes back to you just like being authentically yourself, which is just hard to teach. You know? You just got to rock it, I guess. You do. But sometimes things happen. I don't know if you've had this where it's like you-- you're like, OK, I'm being authentically myself. I'm being authentically myself. And then you either-- these are two things that have happened to me. You're either being authentically yourself and everyone's like, we hate it. Yeah. And you're like, I should do be someone else. I should be someone else. Or you're kind of being a version of yourself. And everyone's like, we love it. It's a lot. And then you change a little. I'm never going to stop being a slut. But sorry, something else. Sure. You know, you're like, I'm messy, I'm this, whatever. And then you go into a different zone. And then you're like, but they still like that, I should keep doing that. But in reality, you're changing. You are the generation that has grown up. When did you get your first phone? When I was in middle school. Yeah. And you've had a lifetime of being online. We talked about this a lot when we were creating the show. I think there's a lot of times people like look at, like, I'm going to say that my generation, I'm like, Zillennial cusp. So I'm not-- I'm not cleaning. I'm not cleaning. What do you do? I'm cleaning. I'm cleaning. I clean Zillennial. Because I feel real, like, I feel a bit of both. Do you know what I mean? When we start getting into skippity toilet, I get lost. Sure. I'm like, what's going on? I didn't do kindergarten on Zoom. So I-- You know what I mean? Like, I didn't have-- What is this called when your brain fully develops? Oh, your frontal lobe. My frontal lobe. I think my frontal lobe developed, like, what time does that happen? I halfway through COVID. Say COVID. Weird time to have your frontal lobe closed during COVID. During COVID. But I felt it. Snatch. She really snatched. Snatch. Yes. Yeah. And so I didn't have to go through, like, formative development, developmental years during COVID or whatever, like, I think there's something to do with that that I don't have. But the-- we were just talking about six, seven. I found out-- I mean, group seven from TikTok. I found out. I was in group seven. Group seven! What does that mean? I don't know. OK, good. And so if I was fully Gen Z, I would. Claire explained it to me, because she is, because she's 25. OK, Claire will explain. And she'll show us how to do the green screen. How to do the green screen? OK, let's talk about that. I'm so sorry. I'm talking so much. I could just say we were-- Same. And you have a great cast. And you shoot it in LA. And do you love LA? I do love LA. OK, can you help me? Because I'm actually genuinely-- I'm coming up on, like, year 15 or 16 of being here. And I go back and forth between LA and New York. And I'm not loving LA right now. LA is crushing me a little bit. OK, I think I want to go back to the East Coast. It's like, I really-- my kids are almost out of school. I'm like feeling this giant pole. And I'm trying to stay with LA, because LA has been very good to me. And there's a lot about-- I love California. There's a lot about Los Angeles. A lot of friends here had great memories here. I've made a lot of stuff I'm really proud of here. But I'm just like, what do you love about LA? And can you help me love it, too? Yes. I like LA most in the winter. I do, too. It's my favorite. January to April is-- Heaven. Because everyone else is freezing. Everyone else is freezing. Meanwhile, we're going to the beach in an hug. And a hoodie, beach in an hug in a hoodie. And you're getting-- get this. You maybe-- OK, morning, Saturday. OK. Again, we'd got me coffee. Sorry. You don't have to. You could do something else driving. Who's driving? Somebody's boyfriend is driving. Like, no, us-- or you're getting in a new birth. But ideally, it's like someone's boyfriend is driving. Like the boyfriend of the friend group. He's driving. I like this, yeah. And you've got to play less. You guys stop, you've got bagels. OK, not good bagels, so in LA. Yes, yeah. OK. You got a courage. OK. Great. You got a courage. Or there's a place in Burbank called Hanks. Underrated, I'm actually giving away my spot. But I know you bitches aren't going to Burbank. So it's fine. It's OK. I work there, so I'm going. But you work at Hanks? I work-- no, I work at the lot. Oh, you work at the lot. So I was right in your body. I was like, oh my god, you also work at Hanks. OK, I work-- I have two jobs. OK, I have three. So you get your bagel. And now you're eating your bagels in the cart, or you save them. you get to the beach, you run on the sand, you're just sitting on the sand in like jeans and an Aguina sweater. - Yeah, I love the beach in a sweater. - Beach in a sweater, it's completely empty. 'Cause no one else is this good of an idea, except for us. And you're just like, vibe, you're having a beach day, but you're having a winter beach day. And you can make it into a thing like you could then, then you could go like up to Topanga Canyon, and you could buy a set of tarot cards for your friend and go on a hike over there. There's like some really nice hikes in Malibu. There's like, you could go to the pier, you could get like seafood at Broad Street, oyster company, but like, you make a day in the winter that you couldn't do somewhere else. - I completely agree, I think Los Angeles, California, and the winter is where it really shines. - It's really where it shines. - The rest of the year is tough for me. - So what if, what if, you stuck around, would you like beach day in the day, would you come, cause it? - Yeah. - And it's like, by the way, we're in bed at seven o'clock. I don't believe you. - We will be. If we're starting to do, either we go, or we're in bed, we're about to play it tonight. - I know, but that's still living in a social chapter. But in January and February, January and a social chapter, we're hibernating, but we're hibernating with our friends. - Okay, okay, in our community, we're hibernating with like six people. - Or three, if that feels bad. - That actually really did make me like Los Angeles more. - What you just said. - This is the thing, New York, bam. You're confronted with a new chapter or an event, or whatever, and it's thrown in your face, and it's fabulous, and it's going like, wake up. You just met this person on the street, L.A., you have to do it a little for yourself, but you get to sit down in your room one day, delusional, me, this, alone, hi in my closet, new era, let's go. - Okay, lightning round. - Lightning round. - I'm walking in. - Have you done ayahuasca? - No, should I? - No. - Okay. - Okay, are cigarettes making a comeback? - They are. They are, but we have to stop, but they are. - They are. - And they're good, but also who can blame us? Look, it was. - It's got happening. - I know. - And they were feeding people, the vapes at 12th. - I know, the vapes hopefully are taking a break, but cigarettes are back. - Well, the cigarettes are people trying to mean off the vape. - Oh, that's so brutal. - Yes. - Like heroin to not take your oxy. - Heroine to kill, to heroin fills. - It's hard out there. - Okay, Album you're listening to right now. - I've been listening a lot to the Addison album. It's an album that makes me feel very like free. It makes me feel like my mom's friend who always wore yoga pants, who was like really chic. - And sexy. - And sexy and I want a little sleepy and in a dream. - And so free. I was like, yeah. Addison feels very like free to me. - Is there a person's career path that you look at and admire? - Definitely. I'm not being a suck up. - You can't see. - I'm not allowed. You're sitting right in front of me. I was like, I need an idea. - What if before this podcast someone pulled you aside and said like when Amy asked that, you have to say her. She gets really upset. - And she gets really upset. - Yeah, that would be crazy if they said that. - No, I just want to say like, okay, so I'm sorry. I'll just say it and then we can cut it and genuinely and then when I'll say someone else. Okay, but I do really want to say like genuinely, like you have made a difference in my life. Going to pursue comedy and going to like be funny and be loud and be bold and also be kind. Like I feel like when I read your book, I was like there was the ability to be like both like bold and loud but also like vulnerable and sensitive. I think it's that like sometimes it feels like you're not allowed to have both. And I feel like you need both and you should be able to and that's something that I get from you or like I'm inspired by from you. And like I think like the women, your community like my Rudolph, Tina Fey, all of them. - Thank you Rachel, that's really nice. - So that's true. But now do you want me to say someone else? Okay. I Brittany Murphy is an actress that I really look up to. I think she's an incredible actress. Or wasn't an incredible actress. She's just someone who like I saw her in like immediately like when I saw her in Clueless. I was like she just has something special and she's very, she was very true to herself. - She was, you know, I, she hosted SNL my first season there and she, I remember her being like really kind, really super hard working, very open new ideas and you're right, she had like a sparkly and interesting quality about her and she could do a lot of things really well. - Yes, like I feel like I had so much range and like I don't know, I felt like there's certain people where it's like it's like the character wouldn't be the character if it wasn't you playing it and I feel like she has that which is really special. - When was the last time you cried? - Yesterday because I, this is the other thing. So I didn't cry for a real speed round but I'll say it really fast. - That's okay, you, I like speed rounds to go slow. - To go slow. I didn't cry for like a long time because I was so like stressed about the job and I was trying to take it seriously and be locked in and I was like there's no time to cry. There's no time to cry. And then I think now that I'm in my social era and I have like a little space to breathe like the litus coming off. So I'm just crying more freely. Yesterday I sort of had a little bit of a manic episode. This goes back to the closet thing where I remembered a shirt from three years ago that I haven't, I just was like wait a second. Where is it? - Where is that? And then I started like rummaging through my closet, not in a fun way, no we gummy, just like panic. - Yeah. - Panicked, texting people, pictures of the shirt being like happy you see this, texting my mom, being like is this at home? She's like, what, like that? What do you think the shirt meant? What was it when you thought of the shirt? Where did you, where had you worn it? What did it mean to you? What did it represent? - I think it was that I've been living in my place for too long and I used to live there with my ex-boyfriend and I moved around to Airbnb's before I lived in that place and all of a sudden I was just like, where's all my stuff and who am I and then I started to cry? - Yes. I think that material, I think that objects can do that. - Yes. - And then the last question is, what are you listening to watching? What do you do when you want to laugh? What do you, what kind of stuff do you do when you like need a break? Like when you want to get out of your head and just feel good. - And feel good. I have a couple of friends and my sister's where it's like we send each other like take talks that are like really weird and then like I catch up on all the take talks that like my friends or my sisters that be and I like feel like I'm watching like their show. - Yeah. - Kind of the fee that they've curated for me and then I reply to all of them like, "Ha ha, this is us when we're in the car with mom." This was us when we would go on a walk drink or whatever and that feels, that's fun and silly for me. - It's funny. We do this at our office at PaperKite. We like show each other our feeds to see what where everyone's heads are at. And sometimes my kids would be like, "Mom, your feed is really sad." You know, like in like you're right, it's too sad. - It's too sad. - But by the way, sometimes that's good 'cause then you can go, "I'm in a sad period right now." - Totally. I'm not in my social chapter. - I'm not in my social chapter. - So like what is it? What is I'm just as we finish? Can you remember any take talk that you enjoy? That is funny. - Yes. - Oh my god, amazing. You want to show it to me? - I would love to. - Okay, let me go through. I don't know how to get take talk on my laptop. - I was gonna show you on my phone. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, here we go. - So what are we watching? - I'm just going through, I mean, let's look. - Okay, so how would you do (laughs) how would you describe? Okay, this is incredible. Yes, this is incredible. This is a video of, it says, "Congratulations, it's a girl." And then it says, "The girl." And the girl's walking around wearing a giant pig head, holding a baseball bat. - To a creepy little song. - To a creepy song. And she looks awesome. - This Diva is, I'm like, she knows who she is already. - Yes, yeah. - That's very good. - That's very funny. - That's very, very funny. Okay. And then we've got. - Priest DJ. - A Priest DJ. (laughs) - You just feel like he has a hobby and a passion. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, he's having fun. - He is having fun, yeah. All right, Rach, I'm gonna have you sit back in your chair so I can properly say thank you. We're coming into doing this. - Thank you so much for having me. This was a damn delight. (clapping) - Thank you so much, Rachel Senate. That was so fun. You are a delight and so funny and charming. And I could have talked to you all day. And, you know, for this polar plunge, Well, today's Polar Plunge is presented by Visible. When your phone plans as good as visible, you've got to tell your people unlimited data, just 25 bucks a month, join today at visible.com. So let's get into this plunge as we finish up this episode. We talked a lot today about Saturn's return. And if you don't know what that is, it's basically this period in astrology that occurs around the ages of like late 20s, late 50s, and late 80s. And it's when the planet Saturn returns to the same position that it was in when you were born. So we all went through it, or some of us went through it, or going to go through it in our 20s. I'm just here to say I'm looking forward to the next return for me, the next change. I don't know what's around the corner of life has taught me anything. It's that I cannot predict what is going to happen. But I look forward to the first human robot marriage on TV. And that we will be, we will run out of water, and we'll be drinking other things during that return. So, but if anyone's going through Saturn's return right now and they're 50s, write in and let me know how it's going for you babe, can't wait. Okay, today's Proler Plunge was presented by Visible. It's one line wireless and Verizon's 5G network for $25 a month. That's top tier network at a budget-friendly cost. Tell your people and make the switch terms apply. See Visible.com for planned features and network management details. Thank you so much for listening. See you again soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang, the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the Ringer and PaperKite. For the Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalain, Kaya McMullen, and Alayez and Eris. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman, Original Music by Amy Miles.