Rachel Dratch

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And we're going to go behind the music and do a deep dive into the. The world-famous clip that kicked this podcast off and that has kept us laughing ever since. So get ready for a great interview. Before we start, we always like to talk to someone who knows our guest, is a fan of our guest, has a question that they want to give me. And I'm very excited to talk to Kevin Cahoon today. Kevin is a dear friend of Rachel. He is an incredible actor, musical theater pro. Tony nominated for. The Great Musical Shucked. And you can catch him in a million other things. And Kevin is zooming in to get things started. Kevin, hi. This episode is presented to you by Palmolive. Some of the best memories you'll ever make are around the dinner table. You'll never regret trying out those new recipes that may or may not go sideways or putting on a spread so big that your in-laws are still talking about it years later. Brownie points. So when it comes to. dishes, it's nice to know that there's a product that works as hard as you do. Palmolive Ultra removes up to 99.9% of grease, leaving your dishes sparkling clean. Visit palmolive.com shop now. I'm the luckiest. I get to see you on this too. I know. I wish we were having margaritas with Dratch. Hey, listen, wouldn't that be great? That's a good hang right there. That is. For listeners, I've had a few margaritas with Kevin and Dratch over the years, pre-show, post-show, because both of you were on Broadway. Well, listen, anytime I can hang out with you. How are you? I'm so great. How are you? Where are we talking to you from? I am in Texas at my mom's place, rural Texas outside of Houston. It's a sunny day. We've had four days of torrential rain. And I'm dealing with these wild hogs. I know this is crazy. They're wild feral hogs that show up in the middle of the night and they tear up your property. They travel in packs of 30. And I've set up alarms all around and I think they're working. But last night we had a few come and the other day I had a few come and I was like, oh, I'm going to have to go to the hospital. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to have to go to the hospital. Rachel? Beyond. Tell me, tell me how you two first met. We met doing a musical called Minsky's in LA written by Charles Strauss and Susan Birkenhead and Bob Martin. It was coming to Broadway, a star studded cast, and it closed in LA, which is, you know, the, the great showbiz tale. But what you take away from experiences like that are the people. And you usually have one or two from each show. And, um, I fell in love with Rach immediately. What's not to fall in love with. Um, and she had told me she had gone to a psychic and I think you had bought her this psychic reading for her birthday. That's right. I should talk to her about that. Cause if she's open to it, cause her and I both went to the same psychic at the same time when we were both pregnant. Yes, that's right. And she had gone to, we had before the show, we would go, I would go to her dressing room and we would have a day catch up. What'd you do today? Who'd you see? Where'd you lunch? And she had said, I went to the psychic and the psychic told me that our show was going to close out of town. And we were like, they're crazy. That'll never happen. We're moving into the St. James Theater. Well, the psychic was right. But anyway, that was probably 15, 16, 17 years ago. And it has just been the most nourishing, fulfilling, steadfast friendship that I could have ever, ever imagined. And then I've gotten to have new friends like you that I have met through Rach. And you know that they're a good friend when you meet their friends and those friends become your friends as well. So it's just been the most rewarding friendship I could have ever imagined. I hear you. I feel the same. I feel like there's a few friends that, and it's proven to be true now that Rachel and I have been friends for almost 30 years, there's a few people that you know in success and in, quote, failure, in good times and in bad times, they're going to weather that storm with you. And that's not always the case with everyone. Sometimes people are better when things are going badly, right? They're like, they like that. And sometimes people want to hear when you're succeeding. That's when they want to be along for the ride. But Rachel Dratch definitely is there for both if you're lucky enough to have her as your friend. That is so true. And she's a wonderful gift giver. She never forgets an occasion where she's going to bring you a little something. You know, I did a Broadway show that ran nine months and she was there opening night. She was there closing night. She was there in between. She came again. She brought friends. It's just, she is a cheerleader. for those that she loves. She is a champion. She'll go to bat. She's just, life is a little brighter when Rach is around. Cahoon, let's talk about Shucked, which is the show you're talking about. That's true, yes. I loved you in it and loved that show so much. You were so dear to come. Of course. It meant the world to me. And let me tell you what, Amy Poehler, you're one of those friends because not only did you come to Shuck, I did a production of LaCasha Fall in the fall. You came to LaCasha Fall. You are there. I mean, you're, you know, you birds of a feather fly together. You guys are just exemplary friends. Oh, friend. Thank you for saying that. That means a lot. And I love, I mean, it's not hard work to go to a really fun show and watch you. Before we get to your question i do want to i'm going to talk to dratch a little bit about her her tony nom and her show potus and how i mean because i know from being her friend how how positive an experience that was for her like great women that she became really good friends with a tony nom a hilarious part um do you remember that time and what she said about that experience when she was working on that show well here's the incredible thing and it's so rare she got a tony nomination for her broadway debut damn ever happens that is like remarkable and i've seen rachel on stage so many times at the public shakespeare in the park manhattan theater club she is always the standout and when you do a broadway show whether you want to admit it or not there's always a part of you that thinks maybe just maybe that childhood dream would come true that show that I watched once a year in June maybe I could be a part of that show and then when it happens it is just it's the most uh it's the biggest embrace you could ever imagine from a community that you've always wanted to be a part of and you know a lot of people probably um know Rachel from television and from film, but her theater career is just as sparkling and just as dynamic and diverse as her impact on TV and film. Yeah, she's played so many different types of characters. It's actually a good question. She's played like men and dogs and people and like mothers and robots and whatever. She can do it all. She can do everything. That's why you hire Rachel Rett, you know it's so true like it's so true um we should all be as versatile as Rachel Dratch you know okay so Kev what do you think I mean I could talk to Dratch and Will probably today forever about so many things the past the present the future anything you think I should ask her today yes um it was hard to pick one question I have two that I think are uh sparkly one is about the theater, because I feel like a lot of people don't realize that Rachel Dratch was a theater kid, and she went to theater camp, and her dream and ambition was to be in plays and in musicals, plays and in musicals, and then her career took a brilliant detour um i would ask her little rachel dratch going to theater camp what were her three beacons of light in the american theater a musical a performer who was it that filled her with i wanna do that that's what i want to be when i grow up such a good question that was the one question and then this is something that inspires me about rachel she brought us all debbie downer one of the most iconic american comedic characters when rachel dratch is thinking about feline aids and north korean train accidents and insurrection what is that catalyst that gets her out of her doom and gloom and brings her back to reality that would be another question debbie would want me to point out that it is good that you brought up feline aids because it is the number one killer of domestic cats well that's true listen we've talked about feral hogs and feline aids what's next baby texas baby um these are such good questions kevin and she i don't think she knows that i'm talking to you today i did not tell her good i didn't tell her you just had a little we had a little kiki yesterday and i was zipped lip so oh my god i'm so happy because she's gonna be so happy these are really good questions and i'm gonna be so happy because she's gonna be so happy because she's gonna i think nobody loves a good question more than dratch like if you ask dratch a good question she's like that's such a good question she will say that i guarantee you she will and i had told blake lee who was on who's a dear mutual friend of ours he was on for dakota i told him not five days ago amy it was like you were so incredible on amy's podcast it's so fabulous that you were on there it is so chic what a cool thing i'm so proud of you and i'm so proud of you and i'm so and then my phone dinged and it was you and it just i can't thank you enough are you kidding me thank you for taking a break from fighting the hogs and and if you know if you are eventually eaten by them just know that our time together was so special to me it was and i cherish every minute all right i can't wait to see you in new york friend i love you so much thank you thanks so much rachel dratch is here are we starting is it official yeah and okay we need to talk about wait what what do you got just get started here i'll get this pulling out the world famous you've seen it you've seen it before this is my new trademark everybody it's so weird you've seen it you've seen it before this is my new trademark everybody this is my by the way i didn't i didn't tangle this this is how it came out where i was storing it this is the these are in their natural state world famous rachel dratch headphones it was a shot fired heard around the world these headphones is where it all began the chaos beginning oh my god now that i'm with amy everything's all right okay we don't even use these but i have to use them the historical item okay of course dratch brings a prop for people that didn't see our first episode of good hang dratch was in the group that was talking about our guest tina fey and boy did we have a oh my god that was like probably my biggest laugh of the year i just watched it again on the way over here and um we're gonna get into it today that of course we are people need to hear the behind the scenes of good hang dratch behind the music where were you where were you when you saw the clip okay i owe you money for that clip i owe you money for that clip but it really was like it started off the entire vibe of this show like i'm so grateful for it because it started off exactly what i was hoping which is i was hoping that this would be like fun and easy and a laugh and that was the deepest laugh oh my gosh it was such a good laugh like i mean imagine like you're back home and you're like best laugh ever and then it's and then it's like recorded for you to watch again like that that never happens because you can't plan that no no and also having fred and seth and zarna there and there's really no better i would say like partner than seth when dratch is dratching because he's so good at keeping like like things moving in a way or something like he was making me laugh so much so he's like judge we're probably gonna cut all this out and then when i was like i'm holding everything up and he's like no this is how she wanted to start like he was the perfect foil the comedy foil also the thing that gets me which is such a like improv and such a good example of what a good listener you are at the very end you clap which is what we asked you to do 15 minutes before to get started god that clap end it with the beginning people comedy 101 okay second prop use of this podcast is dratch is swirling her ice drink okay no but it is like that i i have to say when i was thinking about what to talk about today it's like we have had deep laughs we have it's like the heart and you love you love to laugh and the way dratch has many kinds of laughs and you have like i i know people have done your laugh to you oh yeah you also when you go into like a level two laugh when you're going down deep yeah you go like you get very old school oh my gosh you wait i just need to say though that when that was happening that i didn't know that was going to be used for on camera which i didn't tell you did not tell me i looked back at the texts and i'm very sorry no no i don't mean that i mean it was the best thing i've ever done i've never done that i've never done that i've never done that ever but i just mean for people wondering like why did she order food right when i was there was a podcast happening like we could argue still with audio why did you well because i thought it was like a half hour of time true and then it came very quickly and then my dog barked and then and your dog's name is my dog's name is ruffles and ruffles started barking anyway sorry go ahead do you remember i think we talked about it there was a hilarious whoever is the tiktoker who did this somebody posted there were many clips of it and then someone went and looked at your chart yes my my horoscope whatever zodiac well so i'm what's a pisces i didn't know this word stellium means all your things are in the same sign like every single thing but i guess there's one little thing but this woman she did my chart on tiktok and she was laughing really hard she's like how is this woman surviving with everything in pisces she's like she is she's somehow she's making it work but then i guess there's like one thing in capricorn she goes this capricorn is holding the whole rest of it all together it's doing the work of you know 10 000 men or something and that kind of pisces final boss yes and i have wondered if i other people were talking about adhd i guess yeah and i have wondered if i have that as an adult i don't know i don't know but that if you look at that clip you're going to be like yep i feel like it's like i mean we talk about it like in you know the pisces being a shorthand for like you know it's in its best chaos i'm saying that's what i'm saying but we're opposite we are amy's virgo by the way i don't know much about signs but i just know about this i just know i don't know i i do like astrology i think it's cool we like astrology we like enneagram we like anything that like is about personality stuff yes but what's fun about talking about pisces and virgo is pisces are kind of the fish that are floating through life and virgo is the virgin setting the no no and um but i find like we do do i mean i i i feel like you do definitely have a dream-like approach and an adventurous approach to life i would say that yes yes i think you are like a curious traveler and and you definitely don't um did you see what happened curious traveler i'm trying to be myself okay it was like a cloud a shy cloud came over yeah you are kind of shy i am shy yes it goes without saying we've been friends for 30 years we are often mistaken for being the same person or like just the other day someone we were in a public bathroom and someone's like i saw your sister in the bathroom like they think we're sisters yeah but you and i did do definitely have like if if life was like a rom-com like we would be like growing up we would be like growing up next to each other yes so walking by each other in the mall probably yeah talk to people who don't know you're like early dratch where did she grow up what was her life early dratch uh grew up in lexington massachusetts next town over from amy but we didn't know each other although if well we did work in the same ice cream store which we always have to say called chad mix and if you don't know that why not even living under a rock but anyway um but yeah grew up in lexington and uh i don't know i was i was shy when i was little but i was always I mean, I want. watched SNL when I was in third grade at someone else's house at a sleepover, like their older brother was watching it. And I was immediately like, what is this? But I definitely was, I mean, I don't know about you either. I don't, I wasn't like, I'm going to be an actor when I grow up at all. Like it was just for fun. I didn't even knew that was a job really. Yeah. It was sort of like maybe a little dream with the, like when I saw Annie, you know, the musical, I'm like, how are they up there? Where do I get one of those buckets? You know, like, but yeah, there should be a documentary about women our age and how we were affected by Annie. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, and then I did school plays, but I definitely was not like the queen of the drama club. You know, I just did it for fun. You did get a superlative though. And it was, I did, I got class clown. Did you get class clown? Or did you guys do those stupid things? We had class clown, but I didn't get it. What? I'd like to know who did. I was a second runner up for most casual. You don't know this? Most casual. It's like, what? What does that even mean? I don't know if it's in manner or dress, but didn't even get close to superlatives. Second runner up. Kind of casual. Class clown. But, um, then let's see. I don't know. I, then, uh, oh, and then also, well, my dad was very funny as you know. Yeah. Paul Dratch. Paul Dratch. Um, and, uh, so we just kind of had like, you know, he would do like kind of, oh, this is funny. I, I ran into someone, um, whose dad had gone to high school with my dad back when I was in high school, you know, we were at the house. Yeah. And then she said, oh, my dad said your dad used to always do impressions of the teachers when they left the room and have everyone laughing because he was doing it. Yeah. So like, I just sort of had that. It was in my blood. No, but I mean, it was sort of like. Yeah. In the atmosphere. And then, um. But you did school plays. Yeah. I mean, getting class clown, you gotta be funny in real. Well, I guess like in junior high, I started to kind of like pipe up one-liners. Yeah. From the back of the room kind of thing. Yeah. But, um, much to the chagrin. Of teachers, I'm sure. But, um, but then when I got to college, then there was an improv group there. And then I was cut. Like, I didn't even know what improv was back then. Now it's like. When you go to. So you're in high school in Lexington, Massachusetts, which a shot heard around the world that we just mentioned, um, uh, like the, the birthplace of democracy, um, right next to it was Burlington, Massachusetts, where I was from. And let's be honest, they were not different at all. There was maybe. Right. Oh, my God. Look at Jack. Because I was the first time she said. Well, I was going to say I exaggerated for effect. Okay. Okay. That's so funny. Okay. Okay. But we shared a mall. We shared a mall. I often hung out at the Burlington mall. Yes. We probably passed each other. We did. I think we did. At the Brigham's or something. Like we definitely, I felt like we had very parallel lives, like short blue eyed Massachusetts girls who, um, like we're good students, but wanted to be funny. And, um, and the, the Lexington. I always used to say Lexington. I always used to joke that Lexington is like for parks and recs fan, like parks and rec fans. Lexington was the Eagleton and Burlington was the Pawnee is how it felt like we thought Lexington was where the rich people were. And what did you think of Burlington? Burlington. Oh, I didn't think about, no, I'm just kidding. I'm like, how do I, how do I get Amy to see? Um, no. First of all, I worked at Caldor's. Yes. Which is in across the Burlington line, across town lines to work at Caldor's with the Burlington bad girls. And our teams played each other. Our teams played each other on Thanksgiving day. And so since then we always call it, well now they don't anymore, but we used to call each other up on Thanksgiving. Yeah. We used to trash talk each other on Thanksgiving. Yeah. And then you go to Dartmouth. I went to Dartmouth. Uh, Ivy league, Rachel. Yes. And very, very like, uh, what was your experience there? Like, did you like it? Well, great question. Um, it was, I went back in the eighties and it was, it was very conservative back then. Um, which I didn't even really know what that meant, but it was just like, um, it took me a while to find my people there. Like, you know, I had friends at the beginning and everything, but then the general ethos of it, I didn't feel like I really matched with. Right. Um, and then I saw the improv group, like I've some friend of mine from like acting class or whatever. I was like, come check this out. And as soon as I saw it, I was like, not like this, but I was kind of like, I feel like I could do this. You know, this is, we have very similar stories because same thing. I went to Boston college. I was trying to figure out how I fit in big, like I didn't know that part of sports school, like, and lots of, um, like, uh, uh, private school school people, which as much as we joke with Lexi and they're like, we didn't have like that prep school vibe of like, no, we were kids. Person is the, yeah, that was a big vibe. I can remember going into people's dorm rooms and being like, how do you know how to get your dorm room? So ready. So fast. And they're like, I was living in Deerfield. I spent three years at Deerfield and that's how, but I didn't know that you felt that way too. Yeah. And so I saw an improv group, my freshman year, my mother's fleabag. Yes. And yours was said and done. There's nothing like those improv group names. Yeah. Um, our friend, Brian stack, who is a performer at second city used to like, love to talk about good and bad improv names and like how they would either be really goofy, like pun filled, or they would be very like serious and pretentious. Oh, I haven't heard this. There was one. And if anyone's listening and I, as part of the group, I, I enjoy your work and I respect your work. But, um, one of them he said was called society's mirror. No. Is that real? Good question. I don't know. I, there's no way to check. Like I could look at it on my laptop, but it, I think it's out of battery. Yeah. Okay. So you, did you do, were you in set and done? So then, yeah. So then I got into set and done and then I was like, Oh, like these are the fun people, you know? But you were a theater kid. I, well, I mean, I don't know. I just did like, you did plays, right? Did you do plays? Theater camp? I did go to theater, summer theater camp. Yes. But not like one of those. I did go to theater camp. And I was like, I'm not saying this to be like, it wasn't like those ones, like the real ones. It wasn't like professional, like, you know, kids that were, it was just like suburban Boston, like, you know, whatever. But, um, but yeah, then I, that, that's where I met our pal Alec. But, um, but yeah, I wasn't like, like the star of anything. Like I wasn't like rolling in and then like the lead and everything. I started out like everything. I started out like the chorus and then you move up a little bit the next year. Yeah. That kind of thing. Yeah. And, and I think like me and you, like, we didn't really know anyone that were actors or writers growing up. So I just never thought that would be a job. Right, right, right. Did you have like an idea as a kid what your job would be? I mean, like every kid in third grade, I wanted to be a marine biologist, like, like, like us all. Right. Um, but no, I mean, I don't, everyone wants to be a marine biologist. What do we think we're going to do? I don't know, like play with dolphins and save the nature. I mean, I will actually legitimately was like very in, and still I'm like, nature, like a career for in saving nature was like something I actually, when I was little, like then, when I got, then as you know, I wanted to be a therapist. Um, but I also, like every time I'd see a movie, I was like, Oh, like I was just really intrigued, but I had no idea how you ever did that. And I also, to be really like not self-deprecating, but it wasn't like I had felt like I had special skill in acting or anything, but I loved like cracking jokes and doing clown, but yet you don't think you're skilled. Cause it's like, not like, well, I'm an actor, like, not like that, but just like, I like comedy and I like watching it. And, and like, I had a group of funny friends too. So we would always like, you know, I mean, legit funny friends. So that was also sort of like practice. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. So you get to Dartmouth, you graduate and what was your degree in? It was drama. And then I minored in psychology. Right. And then, Oh, so my improv group, sophomore summer, we're on campus and we took this little like trip. Cause one of the guys from the group was from Chicago. Right. And then, Oh, so my improv group, sophomore summer, we're on Chicago. So we went out to Chicago for a week just to like check out second city improv Olympic and just like, you know, go to all the little sites there. And then I was like, okay, maybe when I graduate, I'll come back here and like, try this, you know? And I sort of just wanted to try it more to know that I'd given it a shot. I don't know how you were about this, but I was kind of, all you hear is like, it's so hard. You're never going to make it. Like, that's all you hear when, so then I was like buying into that. And then I was like, okay, I'm just going to go out and try Chicago. And then I was like, I'm just going to go out and try Chicago. And then I won't make it. And then I'll come back and be a therapist in suburban Boston. And, um, but then like very, okay. And then like, I mean, I don't know how much she's going to, but right when I got there, I did not get into classes at second city. Like I heard like everyone auditions gets into classes and then I didn't get into classes. And then I was like, Oh, like what did I do? You know? But then I just stuck it out and then I took class like later, like everything I did, I kind of didn't get the first time around sort of, um, interesting, interesting. Like, um, well, SNL I auditioned two times, like just, but then you kind of get used to that, I guess. I don't know. But, um, but anyway, uh, yeah. So then I eventually got into the classes and then did like little theater things there and eventually got into the touring company. So you get to Chicago and do you remember when we first met? I do. Well, in my memory, we were in the lobby of second city and you had just moved there and you were in the touring company, I guess. I don't know if you were in it yet or just coming around to check it out or something. But anyway, I remember meeting you and I remember you being really friendly and like, I would just say like sunshiny, like it's not, you don't always remember meeting someone for the first time but I do remember at least in my mind this was the first time and I just remember you were like very like like you are you were very friendly and smiley and you know cute little blondie I remember meeting you but I didn't meet you I saw you so I arrived and you were kind of the junior to my freshman in Chicago I would say and I saw you on stage you were in Lois Kaz an improv show very like kind of famous improv show named after a woman that worked in the office or something I don't yeah sketch and improv and comedy it's just like music right like it's like oh go check out this cool band like oh these two people are singing together um you know you just were like watching groups and trying to figure out what was good what did you like and Lois the show that you were in um was just like oh these are the cool good improvisers go see them and I remember so the first time I saw you before we met um I saw you on stage and I just remember you know I think like when you see someone on stage for the first time it's very it's a very interesting dynamic like you're just like forever looking up to them like it feels like and I just was like oh she's so funny like just loved being like watching you perform like just and um and you know subsequently like we got to know each other in Chicago and I was your understudy for uh touring company for sure yeah so what is the most memorable moment for you what is touring company for people who don't know well it's like your first step to getting into second city and you're not out on the road like for big long times you're just like you're going to Indiana for the weekend like that kind of thing yeah and it's just sort of like cutting your teeth and I mean you get paid of minimal sums you're like it's your first like I'm a working actor you know yeah and it's sort of your first step to moving up the ladder there yeah so we didn't get to tour together because I was only filling in when you were and then Amy struck out and moved to New York and started UCB which I told you before that I was always just like what do you guys do like I didn't know you guys that well but I was just like what are they doing like they're on track to you know you were already very successful in Chicago or like whatever successful like known to be good improvisers whatever but um but then like you definitely would have moved up the ranks at second city but you guys had this like pioneer spirit of moving here and starting this kind of like if we're if the dratch and polar rom-com is happening this is where the left we kind of separate for a little bit to go find our own right because I moved to New York you're on main stage in a very famous show at second city and then you meet Tina when oh so then Tina joined then the next show then they changed it to three men three women which was like revolutionary like what I know but uh three women together I know but then Tina came in for the next show my second show on main stage called citizen gates and uh she was of course hilarious from the get-go and then we did two shows together and then and then I started to get more comfortable up there and like being better at creating characters and all that and then Tina went off to write for SNL after the second her second show and then I stayed there how many more years did you stay I was um well I was four years on the main stage and uh and it was such a fun job I mean it might have been like my favorite job ever yeah like to take us back to what it was like a day when I was in the main stage and I was in the main stage and I was in the what was that day like well I mean I remember like you'd sleep really late much later than I do now but I just well but then you're writing the show if you're rehearsing you're writing the show by day so you're in rehearsal all day so and that but you never wrote like how we did at SNL where you were like at a typewriter what a typewriter okay word processor I think I got a good one here give me more paper I'm out of paper Schultzy okay computer is what they're called now but um but uh no like you it's not like SNL when you're like oh let's think of something we're in an office it was all on its feet and like just someone had an idea yeah and you just and then you try it out in front of the audience or the audience would give a suggestion and then a scene would really hit from an audience suggestion let's try that again but let's change this so that's how we wrote the thing um and then eventually like the show would be done and it'd be set and then you just do the show night after night but um but the show is like sketch like for those that don't know like SNL and then afterwards you'd improvise every night pretty much and um that's how you get really good at improvising by just night after 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that year well the only new actor ali was a new writer but um but yeah so you just get like who's on the cast when you get in there when you just said snl i just got a little tense you know this show comes out on tuesdays and to me i just realized i was like oh this is like a a new way to change tuesdays for me because tuesdays used to be writing night at snl where it was like the dread of tuesdays like oh no this is the night where i have to try to get on the show because you audition basically every week and i haven't written anything yet and i'm i'm so tired and uh i'm gonna let the host down i'm gonna let every myself down now that there's like this show comes on tuesdays i don't know there's just something like but yes i think people are aware of the dread but what what just came up for you which particular type of dread i don't know i just thought of like walking in there and like picturing the hallway and i think i thought you were gonna like go to the audition but no then i'm like right in that hallway i'm in the hallway amy i'm in the hallway stay in the hallway stay in the hallway stay there rachel i can smell the office i can feel your feet on the ground here comes lauren down the hallway um okay um so you're there by that's hard being the only new cast that was hard yeah i can't i cannot tell a lie that was hard because that place is like well i think you know somebody like when you're like a whole bunch of new people they were like the freshman class and then you're all like in it together but when you come in new like no one's like you know here's how this works in here and it's just you're kind of just like hey guys what's you know wandering the halls kind of it definitely feels like the the high school version of like your tray in the lunchroom like where do i sit yeah for sure um i mean tina was there so that was good because she knew how already she knew the the system obviously but like I had someone to write with yeah because some people come in there and they're great but if they don't know how to write like also the writing for SNL is very different from writing for Second City like a scene that killed at Second City you couldn't get it on SNL because it's just different like and at the time you're like but this is awesome and why don't you but now like with more wisdom I'm like why wouldn't it work just because like a scene in the theater could take longer to get going you didn't need to have like laugh laugh laugh people in the theater are just like into seeing this character kind of do their thing but at SNL it had to be like you need laughs like off the bat we need to know what this is right away and um I don't know just this one thing. Do you remember the first scene on SNL that like you were getting laughs and you thought like it's working like that felt like no um gosh I don't remember the first because I remember the first few times I got on like I wasn't even I like left my body so I don't remember like this is going really well I was just like I'm on like that kind of thing um well the first very first show I wasn't in like the you know season premiere whatever right and like you've told all your friends like I'm on this and everyone's watching it your scene gets cut like it does and then the next week the same thing happened scene got cut so it was like the third week. Who was the host do you remember? The one that I got on was uh I should know this oh my god well I know the first one was Jerry Seinfeld then it was Norm McDonald and then it was um and does not compute oh my god I don't remember well it's funny the brain remembers trauma so you remember the two shows that you were on Dana Carvey I'm gonna have to go look they're gonna do those three guys in a row what year was it Drachi? It was 1999 third episode. Okay this will be a fun game Dana Carvey? Okay I'm gonna and I'm gonna have you guess the musical guest because that's always fun too. Oh my god see 1999 I don't remember anything no 1999 SNL hosts and don't worry we're gonna keep all this let me tell you one cool thing though let me I just heard that wait let me tell you one cool thing though please please um the very first musical guest was David Bowie and when I was I've told this before but when I was getting my photo taken for like the very first opening credits like it was on the stage you know like in 8H and David Bowie was it was Thursday he was rehearsing with the band so like I'm getting my picture taken and he's right over there singing Rebel Rebel I mean I have chills every time I think about that because that was just like I mean I don't even have words for like the surrealness that's very that's yeah like you have a soundtrack of that moment for your life and it's David Bowie playing live. It's David Bowie icon yeah so I remember that. Should we tell the Black Crow story? Okay so one time so I don't do drugs at all laughter laughter laughter laughter laughter so that one time the Black Crows were the musical guest and um someone in the Instagram came up to me and was like hey do you want laughter that's my drug offer voice hey do you want um whatever you call it. A joint? Not a joint but just like a hit off a joint. I see. And I was I don't know I've tried it a couple times it's never really worked I've never really dug it and then I was like okay sure so I took like one puff off of this Black Crows am I gonna get sued? The Black Crows pot laughter the Black Crows pot I took a hit off the Black Crows pot and my my cousin was visiting me my cousin Zach and um I came back to the table and I was like oh I guess this is like I'm really high right now and I was so embarrassed cause like it was my little cousin laughter laughter and I never ever ever get high and then I came back and I was kind of like I don't really remember if I told him or not oh he didn't he might not even know I don't even know but um that was my one like. I remember you telling me you couldn't get up from your chair. Oh I don't remember that but it's possible. That you were kind of stuck. I was just like really like anyway and that's why I don't do drugs laughter I mean no I'm just not into that feeling I guess no you're not into that feeling. Only if it's from the Black Crows and then yes Chris, Chris Robinson call me call me laughter I just love that that was the particular strand. Also it wasn't like I was like partying with the Black Crows it was like second handed made it down to the music guy and I was told it was from the Black Crows but it's so interesting that you took the hit that you at least I don't know why I was feeling a little jaunty that night I don't know I don't know. No but drugs is not your thing never has been your thing. It's so not my thing no you know I like a margarita laughter or perhaps you like to sail to the Pinot Grigio Islands Amy and I will occasionally sail to the Pinot Grigios we'll text each other and say shall we take a trip to the Grigios laughter laughter and then when you were at SNL like I feel like we got I was thinking today about all the stuff we got to do together and we got to do a lot of dumb so fun so fun stuff. Oh my gosh but you know and I was thinking it was like I mean in many ways I wish we had I wish we had more time together when I was more experienced there because I was new and kind of stressed and you were the again the junior to my senior and I felt like I loosened up more and figured out how to like just have more fun as as I got older there but we did get to do some fun stuff together. First of all you were in the original Debbie Downer and that was so fun I mean just to be laughing there with you. Well you bring this up and you know I ask this question to people on this podcast and I truly feel like it is because of Debbie Downer that I ask this question again I owe you a lot of money thank you for building this podcast with me but Debbie Downer I've said it many times before was and is the thing that I go to also maybe now replaced by the clip. The clip. The clip of this podcast. I watch the clip a lot of times and I just want to clarify I don't go like watch my work like I don't go watch like a movie I did because like I just like to have it in my head but that it's like I said it was like seeing your biggest crack up and it's just like I have to laugh every time I watch it. Me too and Debbie Downer was like that for me during very dark times because it was the combination of us all having fun you you're like the way in which you are physically trying to hold it together like the way like the laugh was like something you were trying to hold in combined with the zoom in and the sound effect and we've watched it so many times like Emily Spivey knows every single show this is the part where your lips starts quivering because there's one part where at the very beginning I'm going and then there's the part where something falls backstage and I look away my eyes dart over there like we know every single moment. It is it's like the Zapruder film like frame by frame and it proves it just it got me it's such a serotonin boost. Before we move on talk to us about the like who did you write Debbie Downer with and how did it start? Like the origin of it? Yes the origin of it. Oh okay. People will want to know. So well it really started because I went on a vacation by myself that had been suggested to me by a therapist and I often leave that detail out but since I'm on this one-on-one Amy interview no I said it like once or twice but usually I leave that part out for the masses but no not like this, this number one podcast masses but no she was she just like she kept saying like take a trip by yourself and I was like why like I don't want to do that. I could go with friends like I don't want and I just kind of took it as like doctor's orders like I just sort of like I'm doing this and I like self-propelled myself to the jungles of Costa Rica. No but I wanted to pick somewhere that it wasn't going to be like honeymooners and like I wanted to pick somewhere that was like just like I don't know somewhere kind of remote I guess. So it was like very remote. It was in the Osa Peninsula. You had to take like the big plane then you take the smaller plane then you take the two hour jeep drive. I mean I was going deep out of society and each time they were like it was like Barbara Patia one well no so I picked this it was like this eco lodge thing so I went there and then it was just like a it was so there was like these commune it wasn't like a lot of people there and it was actually really cool like and I did meet really cool people and I met these two sisters that like they were older but they're like my age right now but I mean the age I'm now and they were sort of like they sort of told me like the rudimentary fundamentals of what is later known as the secret. Like did I tell you this? When I was on this trip. People should know Dratch knew the secret before anyone knew the secret. And I learned it from the jungles of Costa Rica from two white ladies that were from Colorado. But anyway so they like they were just weird you know because you're Like, Chani, and I got to say, like, hats off to the suggestions. because I never would have talked to strangers if I was with a friend, you know? So I'm like having this conversation and these women were telling me about like, you know, basically like what's the law of attraction, I guess, but they put it like, you know, if you think on positive things, positive, and if you're focusing on lack, you'll attract lack basically. But then it almost like the whole thing got like sealed because then we were on this like, you know, you could do like nature walks or whatever. And we were on this like walk on the beach, like with the little like, it wasn't like a group. It was like whoever's here and wants to do this thing. And this woman was saying like, there were these like beautiful birds overhead, these like scarlet macaws and like way up in the sky. And this woman goes, I want a feather to bring home for my daughter. And I swear like 20 seconds later from like way, way up high, this feather starts to just go, like falls down. We all like kind of see it like, and it lands like right, right at her feet. Whoa. Amy doesn't believe in any of this stuff. I do. That's cool. That's cool. But I believe in manifesting. That was cool though. So then I was just like sold. I'll join your cult. No, but then that, okay, this isn't anything about Debbie Donner. This is just other stuff on that trip. But anyway, but then the Debbie Donner story is that when later, it was like sitting at dinner, like you're with randos that are there. And people just making chit chat. And someone said like, like, where are you from? And I said, New York. And then they said like, oh, are you there for 9-11? And it was like three years after 9-11. It wasn't like it just happened. It was kind of, and then I was kind of like, uh, yeah. And then like, it's kind of like, just like in Debbie Donner, you had to like get the conversation back. Cause it was like vacation times. Right. And then like about a week later after I got home, I was like out listening to some band, which isn't something I usually do. But I think that's, that's kind of interesting. Cause like doing something you don't usually do. And then your brain is kind of like, I don't know. You're not on your usual channels, I guess. Yeah. But then I just had that idea of this kind of based on that. Like someone like that, a Debbie Donner popped into my head of like, yes. And then, which this is kind of just talking creativity. I found at SNL, you couldn't just go in there and like, okay, let's think of a scene. Like it had to be like moments like that. Like, and to me that only happened like once or twice a year, which is why, you might sit there at home and be like, why isn't there like, like SNL man. But it's like thinking of really original characters that kind of like hit on something. It's not something you can like steer the ship on. It's like, to me, like it has to like vibe out with you. I don't know. You have to be like, you have to, to your point, you have to like keep the channel open and be like, find the muse and like find you. It just can't be like turned out. Exactly. And how, but then I took it to Paula Pell. Who we wrote with often and is hilarious. And everyone knows Paula now. Cause I love Paula's like out there more in front of the camera. But, but anyway, and then we were on writing night, we were trying to write it. We set it in an office and it just kind of wasn't really flowing. We, it just wasn't really jiving. And then we were like, maybe we need to put her somewhere really happy. So then we thought of Disney world, of course, happiest place on earth. And then, and then while we were writing it, like when we were like, of course, Paula was cracking me up with these one liners and everything. And then we started just going like, right, right. Like just for ourselves. And then we were like, what if we put that in the scene with the actual trombone sound? So then for read through, we had, I don't remember if we had like the live person or someone just had done it, but then it read through, like it killed, but then you never know. Cause sometimes something can kill at the table. And then when we were in dress rehearsal, Jimmy and Horatio were kind of laughing. And I was thinking like, you guys, like, I feel like this could work. Like, yeah, keep it together guys. And then like on air, I just flubbed one of the lines. And then I don't even know. I guess I was like so nervous. Sure. And then, but you were on you, but thankfully you just like, like, like the good Pisces fish. Like you just like, you went along for the, like it was, it's so joyous watching it because it is just the calm. It's like what real live TV is supposed to feel like. Like, it just felt like a special moment in time. And also, I mean, you are such a good performer that, you are able, you were able to like do it and have and enjoy doing it at the same time. It was like, just it's very sometimes when people are stressed, it's stressful to watch. Like it's not good to watch. I feel, yeah. I mean, but you don't seem stressed in that moment. Well, I love watching performers that like, this is what, like, you know, I feel like I've had so much time now that I'm older to like, think of like what makes a good comedian and everything like that. And like, I love watching people. Like you can tell that underneath it, they're also like laughing. Inside. Like, I mean, better to keep it inside, but I mean, like, like, yeah. And I feel like you have that. Like I was just talking about you. Um, I forget like in what context, but like you are always like, you can see the joy of like, there's two levels happening. There's like what you're performing and then this sort of joyful, like under bubbling. That's also happening. Like, I just like Steve Cruella just popped into my mind as like someone that like, you can see the fun happening. Like the mischievous dance underneath it where they're having fun circling all the way back to Debbie Downer and all the way back to the question that I ask my guests. This brings up the person that I spoke to earlier before this podcast. Oh, so, you know, we always like to talk well behind people's backs. I talked to the great Kevin Cahoon about you today. You did? Oh my God. I was wondering who my person was going to be. And, um, cause I want him to lead us into Broadway, which we're going to next. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, this Virgo has a plan. Okay. I'm taking you there baby. I'm taking you there. I got notes. Okay. I'm aware of the time. Oh, okay. I could hang all day, but I'm just kidding. Um, but, but I talked to Kevin, uh, and, uh, he, he had a couple really good questions for you. And one was what, what, and it's, and it's this, it's like that Debbie Downer feeling. What do you do to get yourself up out of it? And that's a question we asked here, which is what do you watch? Listen to how, when, when you've got dirt blues, as we like to call it, how do you get up out of it? What makes you laugh? You know, for me, it is, it is a lot of Debbie Downer and clips. I mean, it is a lot of you, Rachel. That's so nice. It is you. Like you really get me out of the dumps. You really do. You're like an elevator that helps me get up out of there. Oh, that's so sweet. But you really get, you shoot me way up. And it's cause of the laughter. You do that for me. Is there anything else that like you like to go to, to just like. The bottom of a tequila bottle. The worm. I go to the worm. The worm. I eat the worm. I eat the worm. That was such an 80s thing. Like she ate the worm. I know. She ate the worm. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I ate the worm. Oh, I know now there's no worms anymore. No, there's no worms. Um, let's see. I forgot that you asked this and like. That's okay. I feel like I don't have like healthy, um, I'm serious. I mean, honestly, the real thing that always is like meeting, like meeting with friends out in New York. Like that's like, that's my honest answer. Yes. You like to socialize. The Margs, Margs nights. And, um, and like meeting with my lady friends. That's like. Yes. Because like, I feel like I have this great, I have various groups of people, but they're all like fun. But then like, I love a friend who is really fun and like sees the joy in life and like can laugh through like the foibles and all that, but also has the side that's like, you know, the amateur psychologist, like, you know, that we can help each other out. And if you're, if you like, I like if you show up to a friend and you don't have to be anything other than what you're feeling, because like there's certain friends where you can just do that. You can come in and you'd be like, you know, I'm not going to be bringing my a game. And like, that's fine. And I like not having to exert extra energy to pretend I'm like somewhere I'm not. And I hope that like I'm not for other people too. But, um, that's exactly how I described you, by the way, to Kevin, exactly that, which is you are a friend, like in good times and bad in sunny weather and stormy weather. And you just can always show up as the version of yourself. That's exactly how I described you. Well, that's what I like in others too. So, um, this isn't like a joy thing. This is more like a, like mind set thing. No, like a settle your mind. Like I like doing those word puzzles in the New York times. Like I, like that's my, like my like ritual as I do all those. Cause it sort of makes me like forget all that. You can't be like emotional when you're trying to think of the word. Well, I would say as a person that has now known you for 30 years, has vacationed with you, has, you know, our kids are friends. Like we are in a lot of different ways in life together. That those kind of like quiet, puzzly moments is a dratch recharge. Yeah, that is a recharge. Yeah. Because you are a very interesting combo of introvert extrovert. Like you are very extroverted and especially on stage, but your every day, like you definitely need quiet time. I guess so. Would you say now? I don't know. I think I used to need, um, less of it. I'm a little more like, I just need like the, the recharge moment. Yeah. Um, okay. Kevin also had a question too. Broadway okay and um you were in an incredible show called POTUS tell us about that experience what it was like working with those women and what it was like being nominated um well I mean it was a lot like it the mindset of it was so it was this comedy with all women and um I just got like called up to do this show with Susan Stroman who I had done a few readings for and um the part was very much like the clown in the show so I got to do a lot of like physical just like make up your own bits and all this stuff and it felt very much like being back at Second City like in the best way and also I love like just I mean the theater schedule is no joke as any Broadway person will tell you but um because you know you have to kind of like sign your life well like you're not going out on the weekends all that stuff but um the thing that I love about theater it's just you in the audience like there's no one saying like um we think this should go this way or like of course there's a director in developing this part but once you're up and running it's just like that feeling that connection of you in the audience like and that was like harkens back to Second City like oh how long am I holding this laugh or oh if I do this little tiny thing it gets loud like you don't even I love all that stuff so um it was just very freeing and fun yeah and and you loved the women you did it with yeah yeah you guys became a very desperate group that was all like meshed really well together yeah it was where were you when you got your Tony nom for your Broadway debut well um you know the the nominations come out like in the morning and you can just like watch it online I was just like okay I'll check this out you know and then like they said my name and then you know your phone starts going off like I mean that was something like you know as a comedian like comedy often doesn't get like award stuff but all that to say like I didn't expect like getting nominated was never anything that I thought would be happening because when you're in comedy you just don't really think like that but the Tonys are an exception I think the Tonys often do give it up for good comedic performances yeah that's true yeah I think they really are like they really respect the craft they do the craft yes so Kevin had a question about you um uh being like young Rachel like what were some theater performers some musical some shows that like what I think his question was like what are the top three um pieces of theater uh that you like really enjoy and that you like really enjoy and that you like really enjoy and that you like inspired you when you were young you know like maybe scratch some little right well I guess as mentioned Annie can we just for one second talk more about Annie okay because Annie so many female parts so many parts for girls right like that alone like a lot of shows just don't have a lot of parts it's like there was Rachel and I were both in Once Upon a Mattress we were Amy had the lead and I had the boring part but we weren't in the same production we weren't in the same both of our schools I was in the sixth grade production oh there you go this is funny though and Amy was in the high school yes high school yeah and Amy if you know Once Upon a Mattress Amy played Winifred the princess the clown the clown yeah Carol Burnett originated on Broadway and I played this character Lady Larkin who's the boring part but let me also say this that because it was in sixth grade the only comedic hook that Lady Larkin has right is that she well she's pregnant and so they're in a hurry to get married you know because they're in the castle so they need to get married and they need to get married and they need to get married and they need Winifred to get married well in sixth grade they take out the pregnancy of course so I had nothing to play there's no there there I'm just a lady in waiting and I wasn't pregnant by the way I don't even think I knew that the original characters but they changed the lyrics because the real lyrics were in a little in a little while you you and I will be one two three four like kids and they just like you and I will be together that's what they changed it to and you're like I got nothing to play okay okay so okay okay Annie of course um also orphans you know like one other thing is with Annie everyone's like your age like literally if you're 10 and they're 10 she's like how do I how do I get in this like that kind of thing right and and also a dog a dog we love a dog did you have the album oh my god yeah I knew every single song yeah I wanted to play every part and I loved it so much okay so Annie okay so Annie um then also well of course this is probably the same too um like Gilda Radner Carol Burnett Lily Tomlin yes I mean just those and they were on stage like they were they were I mean I only saw them obviously like I saw them like I mean when I was really little my parents watched Laugh-In and I remember Lily Tomlin being Edith Ann in the giant chair and that's the truth but sorry um and then um Carol Burnett of course yes and like oftentimes we get asked till we're blue in the face about women in comedy right and like I just think growing up seeing them you're not thinking like oh these are women in comedy you're just like this person's really funny and they're being really brash and bold and they're you know not afraid to look weird and here she is with the curtains as a dress and just like you know she's like the center of it all and um like you know Gilda Radner making all her faces and everything like yeah so I just think you're just seeing that and you're not delineating you know and then like I mean the first season of SNL that cast like I did watch like you know John Belushi and Steve Martin that's why like when Steve Martin hosted SNL it's like oh my god Steve like I still have that when I'm when I see Steve Martin I'm like when I'm hanging out with Steve Martin no that never happens um not true I've seen it but I've seen it I've seen it I've seen it but but anyway I think like seeing them um was influenced but not knowing it at the time of course um fame fame which of course we all had played that on the piano well you can play the piano no but I was like plunking it out but out here on my own oh Coco when I'm down and feeling blue everyone wants to hear this I close my eyes so I can be with you and then what was the third one? and then I would say hair hair hair I don't think enough people were talking about hair these days no the musical no hair was so big oh yeah like the music and then I think like the movie the movie oh because that was the first like I mean I just remember like excuse me that had like tragedy in it and sadness and but also like yes I remember seeing that the Lexington movie theater and um must have been nice it was nice we had plushies we ate gold we had gold covered popcorn each seat had a chandelier we ate golden popcorn and we drank champagne we showed our movies on the side of a barn side of the mall side of the dress barn at the mall that's where we showed our movies dress band oh my god no but I remember hair was like like emotional and but also just the music so good so good I and yeah anyway I think they like they should do a new production of hair but there's no parts in it for us like that's all new while young is there's gonna be some like old lady who tells the kids get out of my lawn no not get off the phone get out of the park I'm walking my dog you should cut your hair that could be us yeah that could be us or like a a business woman who comes in and goes listen people yeah this this bunch of hippies could really make us some money and they go get out of here lady that's what I would play like a new yorker who comes in to ruin the vibe right but you have played so many different things on on on in like you have played like like you played a man you played a uh you were a woman we we love a marco polo because we are women of a certain age we like to marco polo each other you were marco poloing me one time wearing a having a mustache um a mustache in a production of uh was it anything goes or um no you were guys and dolls guys and dolls yes I played a dude yes yeah but you've played a lot of different things I have on stage um well I mean as have you but we are but the makers of we are but clowns for your pleasure we don't win oscars but we shall make you laugh no we are here but to be the fool we are but we are but fools dratch and I always say if we were back in those times we would definitely be not only jesters but we'd be the oh we'd be the maids we'd be the maids yeah we'd be the maids at the bottom of the castle I think that's the role that I think I'm born to play is like some because I would love to do I'm gonna put this out there a broadway thing like a really doing the secret like like a really really funny broadway thing and maybe I'm playing this person scrubbing this is my aspiration I just want to scrub scrub on broadway yeah yeah I want to scrub my way to a tony you're listening you're listening you listen you big muckety mucks I had the Jonas Brothers on and we were singing Les Mis And they were like, you would be really good in Master of the House. I was like, I know. Ever since I was 20 years old, I'd be the old lady in Master of the House. By the way, you can cut this. We will. But I got to audition. I made the mistake of auditioning for Les Mis on Broadway for that part. And I'm like, you know I can't sing, right? And they're like, just go in. And then I even went to a voice lesson. But that part is like, you really have to sing. And it's an incredible part. And incredible female actors have played it. Incredible singers. And it's definitely the most comedic part of Les Mis. But you have to have a good voice. Which I just realized when I was in front of these people in the room. Because they didn't just give me the Master of the House song. There's another song that's very complicated. Yeah. And I just like, I skulked out. I will stick to making Mary without song. If it please you. If it please the king. I shan't be singing for the king again. Does it please the king for me to not sing? Yes. Can't do it. She's like, how do you like your potatoes? We could do a duo. A duo. We could do a, we could do like. We could play maids together. By the way, that would be a very funny idea for a show. It's like, you know, upstairs, downstairs. It'd just be like called downstairs. And it's just us. Yeah. And we're just like, we're just washing clothes. And we have dirt on our faces for sure. 100%. We'll be having grooves this morning. Okay. And the last thing I just wanted to talk about, because we talked about it a little bit. Yes. Is your woo-woo-ness. Yes. Because we're going to talk about your podcast. Oh, yeah. Your great podcast, Woo-Woo. And Amy was a guest on it. Absolutely. One of my favorite episodes. You need to listen to Amy on Woo-Woo, my podcast. There's so many great stories on there. And you have, you are very open to psychic experiences. You are not judgmental in any way. I would say that. Oh, that I'm not judgmental? No, you're not. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you have, I would say you are also a little bit psychic. And like you have that channel open, speaking of channels. What is that Woo-Woo world? So I started this podcast called Woo-Woo. And like I'm not, I always say like, I'm not really Woo-Woo. Because I don't, like I don't live my life like, I got to ask my psychic guy. I don't have a psychic. But anyway, I was feeling the need to say. Nothing wrong with that. I know, but I was feeling the need to say like, I'm not like super Woo-Woo. But then I started doing this and it's making me, definitely making me more Woo-Woo with the stories I'm hearing. But the reason I thought of doing it is because I just had sort of collected these stories from friends over the years. And I was like, oh, these stories are really cool. Would you come on and tell this? So that's kind of how it started. And then you came on, which was really fun. And you're not like a huge Woo-Woo believer. You're not like totally shut down. No, of course. But Amy came on and talked about the Enneagram, which she lives her life by. I mean, for those who care, Rachel is an Enneagram. The ultimate nine, if you haven't noticed. Yeah. The ultimate nine. The ultimate nine. Peacekeeper, peacemaker. But yeah, so I guess what else do I say about it? Well, I was going to say that there's a couple of Woo-Woo things that have happened with us. I feel like a little tiny Woo-Woo. Most of my Woo-Woo things have happened with you. And we were pregnant at the same time. Our sons are close in age. And I'm happy to say like real friends, which is so great. And I can remember a very like hot, hot summer where you and I were waddling around the city, like both really pregnant. And you can tell from our height, like we didn't, we carried out front. You know, there's not a lot of, so I just remember us being like going to movies, like watching movies. It was so hot out. And going to a psychic to talk about our, our, our kids. And you brought me to this really cool psychic who, you know, like, just you just have introduced me to a lot of just like, give this version of life a try, I guess is the best way to say it. Yes. It's kind of like, why not believe that that thing was not a coincidence? I don't know. Yes. I think once you're, it's almost like what we're saying about writing sketches. I think once you're kind of open to it, then you start to see things like you just, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to say like you get messages or whatever, but I just think the more open you are, the more woo you might become. But do you think that like that has anything happened lately that has felt a little like in the world? Well, first of all, as Amy said with the pregnancy thing that a psychic told me that I was going to have a kid when I was 43 and I wasn't even with anybody. And then that happened. So that was, so that was my first like little like, this is really strange. But, and you write about it really well. And your memoir, um, girl walks into a bar. Um, and, uh, let's see, I don't know, something lately. I just like to hear your, like, like, is there any vibe you're getting right now? Like what's the vibe of this room? The vibe of this room is great. It's good. Okay. Any ghosts in this room? Outside this room? Not good. Things are not good once you leave this room. The vibes are not good. It's so true. But this room, is a good hang and it's fun and bright and cheery. But you, but I feel like you do that. I mean, like you're really fast at being like, this isn't a good vibe. This isn't a good hang. That's true. This isn't a good, you're really good at reading people fast or, or experience rooms or people. Yeah. You're like, I don't like that. I don't get a good feeling from that. Yeah. And I started to like, again, older, I get like, listen to that. Like if you're, if you're, if you get that feeling of like, eh, like you're allowed to not, hang there or whatever. I don't know. And last question. Yeah. Are you afraid of zombies? Would you, in a zombie movie, how would you, this is my new question. I'm just, I'm just thinking about it right now, but maybe I'll ask people moving forward. Cause Dratcher always inspiring me. I might just freeze. Is that what you're about? I think you're about to say, well, I was going to say it kind of gets into like conflict style. Oh gosh. Yeah. But it is sometimes I think, I think with conflict, I freeze. Which isn't always the bad choice. You don't like, you're not fanning. I've just noticed it, I'm not good about myself though. So if zombies were coming, I guess I'd freeze. You'd turn into a statue. And you'd hope that they went by you. But we can't end on this note. No, we can't. We can't end on this. We're going to cut this. We can't end on the zombie. Let's sing the song from Chadwick's. Oh, okay. The chant? So Chadwick's was an ice cream place that Dratcher and I worked at. Not at the same time. But I have to say probably the highest percentage of SNL people from any ice cream place. Probably. Two. Yeah. And, um, it was a purple building. Okay. I'm going to put, I'm going to do a lip balm break before we sing. Do you want, do you need any? No, I think I'm okay. Um, so it was a purple building. It was a purple building. Old timey ice cream. You had to wear a styrofoam barbershop quartet hat. We often had a kazoo. And I feel like we were both attracted to the drama and the showmanship. The showmanship, not drama, the showmanship of Chadwick's. Because when it was someone's birthday, you got a free sundae. Yeah. And, um, they did not check. So people came in a lot. That's right. With birthday sundaes. But then there was a, a little chant, birthday chant that you did. And it went something like this. Ladies and gentlemen, we're happy to have you here at Chadwick's today, but we're especially happy to have Amy. Because she came here to celebrate her birthday. So with the sound of the drum, please join in singing Amy a loud, embarrassing happy birthday. Then they would order a giant ice cream and it was called the belly buster. And it was carried out by two, two men holding a stretcher thing with a big bowl in the middle of it that had, and then they, this was a separate thing. If you ordered the belly buster, there was an announcement for the belly buster and it went, and it went something like this. Ladies and gentlemen, we're happy to have you here at Chadwick's today to introduce you to the belly buster. 10 scoops of ice cream, five different toppings, mounds and mounds of whipped cream, cherries and nuts, Chadwick's own belly buster. And then we'd like do like drum, drum and then the two guys would come up with the thing in the stretcher, like pretending to struggle under its weight and then it would land at the table. And if you ate the rumor had it, the lore was that if you ate the belly buster by yourself, you got it for free. That's right. Remember that? Yep. And there used to be like teen boys vomiting, vomiting and drinking the ice cream juice. Oh, in an attempt to get it done in time. Yeah. The vomit was separate from the ice cream juice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The teen boys were trying to get it done. And I don't think I ever saw it happen. I don't think I did either. Lore. But Laura says it happened. Now Chadwick's no longer exists. Nope. It's just a, in a landfill filled with ghosts. I'm going to interview it for my podcast. The ghost of Chadwick's. But that's a good ending. That's a good ending. That is okay. Okay. Love you Drew T. Love you. Love you. This was fun. So fun. Thanks for doing it, buddy. And thank you again. I really do owe you a lot always in my life and on this show. So come back anytime and bring your headphones always. Hold on. We're going to wrap it up. Okay. There. Well, now they're all clean. We still can't get them on. This isn't a good ending. Okay. Well, it is still hard for you to get them on though. Okay. Here we go. And. What the? Oh, here we go. Here we go. I don't know. Nailed it. Dratch out. Thank you, Dratch. You are the best. My baby Drooch, my little Ray Ray. Thank you for coming on. And, you know, we talked a lot about a lot of things, you know, the idea that, you know, life can be a series of interesting and unexplainable events and it can be really woo-woo if you let it. And so as part of this polar plunge, I do want to just remind everyone to check out Rachel Dratch's podcast, Woo Woo. Her and her co-host, Irene, they listen to people's interesting, ghosty, spooky stories. They get into that, that those chills that you get when something weird or unexplainable happens. And so check out that podcast. I have gone on the podcast and I have said that I've never seen. And I'd like to keep it that way. So I'm fine with that. But if you have seen a ghost, contact Woo Woo and not me. Okay. But good for you. And it's not a competition, but I'm glad I didn't. Okay. Thanks for listening. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer. Production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite. Production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles. All I ever wanted was a really good hang. Pink Pantheress here. Coach and Spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together. And they want you to be part of it. 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