¿Qué oculta Trump sobre Epstein?

(gentle music) (gentle music) , for the relationship they had. The financial magnate, millionaire, pederast, began to abuse of minors in the 90s, although the scandal did not even occur until the end of the following decade. Since then, they have not stopped showing revelations about new victims, and about new accomplices of their sexual exploitation network, although no one knows exactly where their tentacles come from. These days, we have again spoken about this, of Epstein-Por, unedited documents that could come out of the light if the US representative camera decides this Tuesday. To try to understand all this drama of power, money and crimes, I have called on the head of the country in the US, Iker 6D2. (gentle music) Hello, Iker. -Hello, Ana. -I want you to explain to me what this issue is, which is very complex, with many derivatives, and maybe it's always starting from the beginning. Tell me what Epstein's papers are. Who has them? -Well, yes, it's one of the most complex issues that I have had to work on in my career, because the truth is that it is a very difficult thing to unravel. Epstein's papers are an ancient amount of materials related to not only the judicial documents of the millionaire peddler to Jeff Epstein, who passed through two judges before he died, but also of all the legacy left to his personal material. This man was defined as one of those judges, as the most dangerous sexual predator in the history of the US. He also has the materials of his friend, who was his partner at a certain time, with the price of his delights, and his successor Ghislaine Maxwell, who is a British socialite who was his best friend, he was in the United States for more than 20 years. There are electronic emails, thousands of emails, flight records of Epstein's private jet, bank movements, phone lists of people who worked with him, daily entries in his agendas, in short, there is a lot of material of all kinds, and that material is in the power of the Department of Justice, and it is a protestant from that Department of Justice that now leads the General Secretary, Pam Bondi, who depends on Donald Trump, is in his protestant to free them or to declassify them. Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would. All right, I guess I would. Release the list. Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. That is an important thing. . Until now, because there was never a second phase. In July, in a statement that was signed by Bondi along with Kas Patel, Kas Patel is the director of the FBI, and for a long time he has been one of the most pushed, he was a podcast before, one of the most pushed theories of conspiracy about Epstein. So they signed a joint document in which they also shared a Sunday at night, that is, with all the intention of what will happen if it is perceived, that there was no evidence of the existence of another of the myths of this story, which is the Epstein list, the one that is supposed to be the name of rich, famous and influential friends that presumably participated in the network of sexual trafficking of minors. You have to remember that there have been girls of 13 years raped. Is this Epstein list really there? At the moment, in these six years, there have been no convincing evidence that it exists, nor much less has it been seen. It is one of the things that are most theories of the conspiracy to Bondi, too. It is said that it is a black library and that it has names of powerful that Epstein pointed out to be... It is supposed to sedate them. That makes it that many times when names come out in their documents, it is identified that those names are part of the Epstein list. That is, leaving Epstein's papers does not necessarily mean having participated in his crimes. And this theory of the Epstein list has been promoted especially from the Maga world, and also by Trump himself, because it is an idea that is very seductive for that anti-elitist theory of the right-wing of the United States, that there is a contubation of people who are liberal, left-wing, powerful, who commit indecisive crimes and who hide them from each other. In those documents, there are names that come out continuously, like Bill Clinton, who went up more than 20 times in Epstein's private pages, and then there are others like a model agent Jan-Luc Brunel, who committed suicide in prison in France before he was arrested for rape, Leslie Wexner, who was the councilor-delegate of Victoria's Secret, Bill Richardson, who was the governor of New Mexico, where Epstein had one of his mansions, there is also Glenn Dubin, an investor, and there are a series of very famous people who go out there, but there is nothing that they did wrong, there are not even suspicions. Michael Jackson, the victim, saw it in the house, but they say they didn't do anything to him. Most of these victims have said that they have never seen them participating in any of the orgies, and then there is everything. There is also Stephen Hawking, who participated in the house in the mansion of one of Epstein's islands, in a meeting that was held by scientists. In short, there is a series, a number of names that come out repeatedly, and that, by going out, it does not mean that they have committed a crime. What is the relationship between President Trump and Epstein? They had a relationship, in a certain way, it is logical, because they were both very rich men from New York, who also had a second self-residence in Palm Beach, Florida, which is where Trump has the Mar-a-Lago Club, and where Epstein also had a house. They met in the 90s, they were friends, it seems that they are quite friends, because there are many photos of both in the parties, photos of them with the respective couples, and the versions of why they broke are contradictory. Trump has given you to say lately that it was because he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, because he behaved like a strange victim with some of his employees. This is a bit contradictory with the fact that Trump says all the time that he has no idea what was going on. That is, if he knew that he was a strange victim with some of his employees, it is a bit contradictory with the fact that he said that he had no idea of what Epstein was doing, although that does not prove anything. In any case, that break between the two is much before the first arrest of Epstein for sexual abuse crimes, but also after the 90s, two sisters who were the first to report to Epstein did it before the FBI, which did not happen. Has the president changed his version about the ex-Magnate? Well, since Epstein was released, at that time they asked him, he was already president, and the son who was 15 years old, who could not be seen. That was in 2019, that is to say, who could not be seen since 2004. Before that, there is a phrase that Trump produced in an article in the New York magazine. He said, "I've known Jeff for 15 years, he's a great guy, it's very fun to be with him, even they say they like beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are young." Then the phrase ends saying, "No doubt Jeffrey enjoys his social life." Clearly all this has not been good for Trump, he has become a leader in his shoes for a long time and a ghost that does not abandon him. Yes, it is clear that he will have many suspicions, that is, he has something to hide, it is the great question that could be asked now. If it is proven that in a meeting in the White House Confidencial, Bondi said to him in this Spring that his name was on all parts of his papers. This lady we were listening to is Santei Davis. She is one of the victims of Epstein. And she is a press conference that took place in the Congress meetings to demand that Donald Trump publish Epstein's papers. She was dressed by congressmen, republicans and democrats. And the role of the victims has been fundamental in making Epstein responsible for his crimes. The most famous case is perhaps the most famous one, which was killed in April, a month after he was tortured by a bus in Australia. Virginia Juffrey is the one who achieved the fall of Prince Andrés, who is no longer a prince, because his brother Carlos III has taken her out of the titles. All these victims, many of them have raised collective demands or groups. There is one of the main lawyers of these victims who on one occasion told that Epstein had a perfect double life, that on the one hand they had powerful friends who did not know anything or that many of them did not know anything about what they did in their network of sexual trafficking of minors. I am talking to my partner Iker 6D2, responsible for the country in Washington, about the Epstein case. This Tuesday is going to be voted by the camera of representatives, if more documents are declassified about the case. The case came this summer and just after that came the closure of the United States administration longer than the story, 43 days. Iker, you started one of your chronicles talking about it, you said, when the United States woke up from the closure of the administration longer than the story, Jeffrey Epstein followed there. How did the issue come about? Well, while it was hard, I closed a little before Mike Johnson, who is the president of the camera of representatives, the third author of the country, kept the camera of representatives in the process. I did it for a political calculation. I wanted, on the one hand, that during that closure it will be clear that the Democrats will be the guilty ones of the closure and of all the pain I brought, all the calamities I brought to the United States as regards to fireworks, unpaid fireworks, flight cancellations and all that kind of things. And also because I did not want to take possession of a new congressman, which is called Adelita Grihalba, is a congressman from Arizona. And when he took possession, it was clear that he was going to add his signature to the signatures of the rest of those who had asked, or were going to ask, to vote in the camera of representatives, that law to force the administration of Trump to classify the documents of Epstein. The 218 votes are needed, and Grihalba is the number 218. So as soon as the administration was reopened, that vote could be produced. And there in a dream he had more than to convoke her. On the other hand, on the same day the administration was reopened, the committee of supervision of the camera gave the welcome back to the normality with the publication of new documents. There were two different publications. The Democrats had three documents, three emails that one god has sent to Guilain Maxx, or the other to a famous journalist, Azote Trump from the first administration, Michael Wolf. And then in a few hours the Republicans answered in a maneuver to understand that they were also on the move, publishing 20,000 documents without filtering. It is an unmanageable amount of information that the journalists have been investigating or purging in the last few weeks, and information is coming out little by little. I can imagine the work that that is supposed to be. And of those two filtrations, what would you say is the most important revelation? There are two, above all, which I think are interesting. There is a letter in which the financier says in 2011 that the then immobilist magnate spent hours at home with one of the victims. The name of that victim appears covered, to preserve the intimacy of the victim, but then the white one said that the victim was Virginia Eufred. And the other is an electronic mail from 2019, in which he tells this journalist to Wolf that Trump knew what the girls were. It obviously refers to minor victims, but you can't know if he actually knew it or not. In the Republican ones there are many very cunning things, none is conclusive of anything incriminatory for the president, but it gives the impression that Epstein, on the one hand, followed very closely the rise of the one who was his friend, while he became a destroyer of the reality TV, and a real estate magnate in the United States. And there are also many phrases like one in which he says to an old collaborator, that he knows how dirty it can be to be Trump. And above all, what the impression gives is that Epstein is like a renderist to see how the results of power work, how these people are related to each other, how they talk about the victims, how they give importance to them. It is quite disturbing, because it is like a kind of render for the current man, the current woman, how these tricks worked around this type, which above all had a very stupid and very deep influence. What is also surprising about all this is that Republicans and Democrats are making a common front, a front for something. Will that help to be disqualified in the documents? It is not clear what this is going to happen. It is voted at the beginning of this March in the House of Representatives, then it has to be approved by the Senate and then Trump can veto it. The last thing Trump has done this Sunday is to define his own people, which he allows them, after having faced them, to call them fools to make the game for the Democrats, he has pressured them a lot so that they do not vote, and now the last thing he has done has been to give them permission to do so. He says he is concerned that the Epstein probe you are calling for could be a smoke screen to launch early to more files, not the case. Well, I don't want to talk about it because fake news like you, you're a terrible reporter, and fake news like you, they just keep bringing that up to deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump administration. Well, it is heard regularly, but it was President Trump being enraged, charging against a reporter who asked him about Epstein. He said that you are a very bad journalist, and that I return to the question that we have been asking ourselves all the time. What does President Trump have to hide from all this? Why does the White House resist? Well, it is not clear, but without being conspiratorial, I could think that if it is so interesting that they do not know each other, it will be for the reason, because something has to hide. There is one thing that is very clear in that court from him and from anyone who knows him, it is that one of the things that bother him the most is when he does not control the story. And that is why he has that way of governing, that continuous show, that unstoppable succession of occurrences that makes everyone notice what he is doing at that time. With this, Epstein cannot control it. He cannot control that suddenly this scandal has come out, because I think it is the scandal of his second presidency that is doing more harm. He presented the elections for the first time and managed to sell that story as an outsider. It was someone who came from outside of power to represent the people to whom the elites no longer represented. But what these papers show is that where there was no outsider and where the power was not low, it was in New York and in Palm Beach. All this mess of powerful men and women, of financiers, of the immobiliary world, of the famous, all that, he belongs to that elite. And that I think he does not like to be remembered. And above all, I think that to his voters, to those who voted in favour of the elites, I do not think they are grateful to be remembered. In addition to putting the president at the point of view, this case of Epstein, which is very complex, which is very hard, has only put a person in jail right now. Ghislaine Maxwell, which you said before, which is the right hand of Epstein, and who has to be in prison for 20 years as a complice of that network of sexual trafficking. Ghislaine Maxwell is also generating problems for Trump, right? Yes, this is a really sinister character and it is one of the most difficult characters to understand in the whole plot. She was in the middle of that whole plot. They fell 20 years in prison and this summer, when I was talking to them again, the Trump administration tried to do several things to get rid of the tension. One day it was to send to top blanche, which is the second of Pam Bondi, the general secretary, who sent it to talk to Ghislaine Maxwell. This was a pretty extraordinary thing because sending a person from that level of the Justice Department to talk to a prison is quite unusual, right? After that meeting, they decided to send a minimum security pressure in Texas, sorry, which is where it is now. These days you have also known that it is in exceptionally good conditions. And that is where the problems for Trump come from again, which is that this woman has asked the Supreme Court to induce her. And Trump, if they would induce her, then she would not have the idea that he has nothing to hide, right? And that this Tuesday, then, hit the key in the camera of representatives, if it is voted in favor of declassifying the files, what happens next? The first thing that has to happen this Tuesday is that things in the Capitol are quite unexpected. It is difficult to vote against that declassification because, as they have said these days, they have remembered these days to the Republicans, Trump will last three more years in the White House and, perhaps, Trump will be angry with you, if you do not vote, if you do not vote in favor of him. But when Trump is no longer the record, let's say, the record that you voted to protect a pedophile and the pedophiles that may be around that pedophile will accompany you the rest of your political career. So when people go to the urns, the next time they will remember that you did that. And that does not like anyone, it is not something that can convince a politician who wants to continue doing his career, right? And then, Trump could vote for that decision, but considering how he is trying to change the story, it seems unlikely that he will vote for it, but it could be. And that, depending on the indulgence of the vote and where the "Madriguera" comes from, in this case, Epson, thank you very much. Thank you very much, Ana. This episode was made by Barbara Ayuso. The sound design is by Nacho Tavoada. I am Ana Fuentes and this has been today in the country. Thank you for listening.