‘Putin Should Use NUKES’ Piers Morgan vs Russian Oligarch + Elon Musk Ex: ‘He Needs HELP’

- I asked you to say one critical thing about Vladimir Putin, and you're too scared to do it. - I believe that he's not right, that he's not using our nuclear weapon now. - So your main criticism of your president is he's not nuking everybody. - Wow, so unprofessional. - Typical Russian response. That's just an insight probably into also Vladimir Putin's brain is working. - Let's talk about you being a propagandist. - You want to negotiate a terrorist? - You're an idiot, you're an asshole, you're a propagandist, war-monger, Matt, do you have a tool to it? - We do not speak right now. - When you think about the good side of Elon, what would you say? - The good side right now is my optimism that one day he gets help. - What does he need help forward, do you think? - That's a question for his doctors. - This image that he wants to cultivate of him being a genius looking out for the good of the planet is it's just Alex. - Coming up in this special edition of Uncensored, I'll talk to the Russian oligarch who's calling for Vladimir Putin to nuke Ukraine to end the war. Ian Bremen gives me his expert analysis on extraordinary styling saga. Elon must deny responsibility for throttling the service at the cost of civilian lives. That is reporting says he personally brought the idea to President Trump. And I'll hear from the director of a new feature documentary, which mask would rather you didn't see. And from the ex-girlfriend, he'd rather not see either. The whole world has been reacting to the interview given by Ukraine's president Zelensky six days ago to this show in this very studio. It was a moment he became clear that the gloves are now off. Do you feel betrayed by what has been happening? - Really, yes, really, between us. But I mean, it's a little bit more complicated than just my emotions or my feelings. Yes, it depends not on me. I mean, our country has to survive. And we count on our real partners, strategic partners, United States. And President Trump, they wanted us not to attack this. My opinion was, it's not fair. - Well, with a Russian perspective on the current crisis, I'm now going to be joined by the oligarch media entrepreneur, Constantine Malafi, who is under sanctions in the UK and US for backing separatists in Crimea. Mr. Malafi, thank you very much, David, join me. - Thank you. - There is a view from, certainly, most of Europe, that President Trump in appearing to side with Vladimir Putin over this diesel deal has betrayed Ukraine and that he's effectively sucking up to a Russian dictator at the worst possible time. What do you say to that? - One question. You made so many determinations in one question. So I had first to answer that. I do not believe that President Putin, the elected president, which has a big difference to Zelensky, which has not elected last two years. President Putin is non-dictator. President Putin is supported by more than 70% of Russian population for many years, that first. Second, when you're talking about betraying, that means again, that looks like Trump and Zelensky wasn't the sort of deal. And after Trump betrayed Zelensky and promised him something. I didn't hear anything like Trump said about his loyalty to President Zelensky. From the first day of his second term in White House, as I remember, President Trump did not trust Zelensky and we looked at serious with many episodes when Trump said about Zelensky different things and normally nothing was so good about Zelensky. It could be bad or worse. So I do not think that Trump could betray Zelensky. That Zelensky can betray Trump because Trump is a Hegemon of Western World and the US, of course, a superpower of Western World. So it's only him who could be betrayed. OK, but let's pick you up on some of the things you said there. One, Vladimir Putin is still in charge because no one dares stand up to him electorally or any other way. You know that, and I know that. The only reason Zelensky hasn't had an election since 2024 when he should have done is because Vladimir Putin illegally invaded his country. Seven million Ukrainians had to leave the country as a consequence and many, many more are fighting on the front line. That's the reality. You know, Vladimir Putin, you can frame him as an elected president but he's basically a dictator who terrifies off all his opposition. So let's put things into some perspective. Let me just talk to you though about the war itself. What possible justification did Vladimir Putin have for illegally invading a sovereign democratic country as he did in Ukraine nearly five years ago? Pears, you are a professional journalist. Let's again return to. I disagree that Putin is a dictator because he's not. His elected president supported by his population. So please be professional and he's not illegal. He's not under any-- Well, he does jail. He does his political opponents, isn't he? And they end up dying in mysterious circumstances. So it's not quite the free and fair election system that we operate, say, in the UK. Oh, no. Oh, no, listen. You know, let's talk about UK election then. When do you have a democratic election? Ask your Scottish independent party or please ask Tony Robertson or any other your opposition leaders in your country? Do they really believe that you have a democratic process in UK? Ask United States, President Trump himself, was a democracy in the year 2020 when he was not elected so cold. Well, how did he win in 2020? Democracy do not teach us. We have thousand years old civilization. We are big country. So clean up do not teach us. We are not Zelensky. We was not, you know, become president only because of West. We want us to be somebody. No, you become president in Russia because you intimidate and imprison your political opponents. That's obviously what Putin's done for many decades, as you know. That's, you know, as a British establishment, do this with their opposition leaders. Well, actually, they don't do that. When was the last opposition leader here? Who got imprisoned with political views? Oh, so many. Tell me about this rapist gains that must blame, for example. Where these people who were prosecutors and who didn't do anything. Sorry, which political leader in Britain was imprisoned for the political views for being an opposition leader that people didn't like? Oh, you know, last time who was there, Tony Robinson, the second, you know, second person in his kingdom organization, I just read in newspapers. He wasn't J. it. Just recently, when I was preparing for this interview, I just read, look at this. Or if he's not a position, who is he? If he's an extremist, so we have our own extremist in our country. Who are you talking about? You're not talking about opposition. I'm not talking about Tommy Robinson, are you? What? You're talking about Tommy Robinson? Yes, of course. You think he's a political party leader? No. As our opposition. Let me give you as our opposition in the country. As you said, I'm not political party leader. Let me give you a little lesson in Tommy Robinson. One, it's not his real name. Did you know that? OK, yes. Secondly, he's been jailed for many, many different things, from fraud to football, hooliganism, to contempt of court, to myriad different crimes that he served prison sentences for. And he's not the Paul Little oppressed freedom fighter who he seemed to think he is. Cheers. Our so-called opposition leader, how you call them, was imprisoned as well, not for their political activity. So it's very deceit. OK, well, let's go back to Ukraine. Give me the justification for the illegal invasion of Ukraine. What do you mean by illegal invasion? You illegally invaded, as a country, a sovereign democratic country that isn't yours since the mid-90s, it's a breakup of the Soviet Union. You illegally invaded it and started killing people. No, that was exactly what happened. No, I couldn't do international law that was very different. Really? Yes. Because you did invade Ukraine. Of course not. What did you do? We protected our allies, Donetsk people Republic, and Lugansk people Republic. Really? Which had a military alliance with Russia, and they were invaded by Ukraine. Let me say that with a straight face. Honestly, what a lot of bullshit. Come on. Mr. Titus, me, you're talking to. You're not talking to one of your sons. Yes, listen, you're a journalist. I'm a lawyer. I am talking about international law. If you're a lawyer, you should understand the concept of international law. Obviously, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine. That is beyond any law. What does it mean? What does it mean? Obviously. you're just me. Obviously everybody apart from everybody apart from people who slavishly support Vladimir Putin like you. Of course everybody who is sending you know money to Zelensky and getting the back payments who are corrupted European politicians, all of them, all of them believe like that. Well, it is objective facts actually. You can prove that Zelensky is corrupt personally, can he? Of course. Well, go on then, prove it. Of course, you know, for this, we have to allow people who live from Ukraine already right now. Like for example, his former foreign minister who is now in the US, his former speaker, his press secretary, everybody who already left Zelensky office, they are telling openly in the US press about this. That's not me, that's his team. Can I ask you something because today, how often do you talk to Vladimir Putin? How I what? How often do you talk to Vladimir Putin? Oh, not so often at all. When was the last time? I have not just flaws of Zelens. But when was the last time? Oh no, I am just a private person independent and the owner of the last independent media in Russia. You think so? So if you're genuinely independent as a media figure, okay, great. So let's get into criticizing Putin because he's your president. Every independent media person I know in the world wouldn't hesitate to criticize literally their country over the things they don't agree with. So what things have Vladimir Putin done in the last say 20 years do you disagree with? I disagree with Minsk's treaty in Air 14. In Air 14, when West leaders such as Olaan and Miracle lied to Vladimir Putin, well, he signed after 16 hours of negotiations and means with Poroshenko, last president of Ukraine, they signed an agreement and Ukraine never, never executed, even started. In Poroshenko time and Zelensky time. So you criticize Vladimir Putin personally for that, do you? Yes, of course. You can see this in our press. Was he stupid or naive or what was he? She told that he was betrayed as you said. What do you think? Was he stupid? Was he naive? What do you think? No, I don't think like this. I think that he gave us. What critical world would you, what critical world would you use about him? What critical world would you use about Putin? You asking me for this for what? What do you say? He made a big mistake. So what critical world would you use about Vladimir Putin? Criticize him. That we never have to listen to the West and believe West and Trust West. Sorry, I said what criticism would you have about Putin himself? Oh, this is what criticism for something to do not because I want just to say about his person with words. Can you think of anything? I am not in sole business. Can you think of anything negative to say about President Putin? When, right now? Yes. Come on. You can, can you? Yeah, no. Tell me something about you, King. Of course you can. You can't depend. Tell about you, King. Oh, I criticize every one of us right now. I criticize. I criticize our leaders all the time because you know why? Of course, I think I live in a free democratic country. I live in a free democratic country. You know, you know, there's a Russian oligarch as long as you keep supporting Putin, you'll be fine. The moment you take him on, the moment you criticize him, the moment you take on Putin directly, you're done. You know it and I know it. Look at all your predecessors. I believe that Putin. The best leader that we have. Of course you do. Of course you do because if you didn't say that publicly, you get rid of you. And now listen, I'm not getting any money from government. I asked you to say one critical, I asked you to say one critical thing about Vladimir Putin and you're too scared to do it. Immediately after you would say about your King, tell me please. About my King? Yes. Well, he's not the president of the country, he's just the King. Come on. I can criticize my Prime Minister to the Prime Minister because there's no any power. I'll tell about the King. You think the King has power in my country? Yes. What power do you think he has? Just tell something about your King. What? What power do you think my King has? Explain to me. No, tell something about your King. You don't understand our system. He has no power. Okay, and what does it mean? He has no power. The most powerful person in Britain. The most powerful person in Britain is Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, right? Now, your most powerful person is Vladimir Putin. You're trying to prove to me that you're this independent-minded media figure, the only, your words, the only independent figure in Russian media. So I said, right, well let's test your independence. Tell me one critical thing about Vladimir Putin and you won't and you can't because you know the clip would then go around the world and Putin would see it and you'd be done. No. And that's the reality of your supposing independence, do not reflect what you do. But you agree with everything he does. But he does something about your King. Please do this. Why not? What do you want me to do? Why not? Why you wouldn't say anything about your King? I've criticized my King for 30 years. Right now, don't you? Right now. Okay, let me think of, I'll say, first of all, he shouldn't be funding his brother Andrew's lifestyle. I think that's wrong. I think he should change his decision and strip Megan and Harry of their titles. I think the way he treated his ex-wife, the late Princess Diana, was was wrong. And I criticized him at the time for it and I would now. So there are many things I would be very happy to be on record right now criticizing King Charzaba, but to repeat, he has no actual power in my country. Your most powerful person because you don't have a King is president. No, it's my turn. And I'm simply asking you, tell me something critical about Vladimir Putin. Okay. Okay. This is my turn. You did what I asked you. Now it's my turn. Okay. First, I believe he was wrong when he trusted NATO 20 years ago. That's all criticism of Putin. That was it. Second, in Minsk, in year 14, I do not think that he was right to listen to or land and believe and trust him. And third, I believe that he's not right, that he's not using our nuclear weapon now. You want him to use nuclear weapons now? Yes, and I'm criticizing him for this. So your main criticism of your president is he's not neuking everybody. Wow. Where do you want him to use a nuclear weapon? Or this war to come to the end. You want him to use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine? Stop killing. So to stop killing, you wanted to use a nuclear weapon, that will kill hundreds of thousands of people. Of course not. They are not Westerners, they're not Americans. What would you do? We do not have to use it like they use this in Hiroshima and other places. How would you use your nuclear weapon? What would you do? They have to tell ultimatum for 72 hours or something in their places in West Ukraine where your weapons are going to kill our people and our soldiers and our civilians. And after a civilian, a civil people would leave from these areas because we would give them a time. We are Christians. We are good people. They are our brothers, they're slaves. We do not want good people don't invade them. We want to stop. You helping our bloody brother war to continue. We want this war to stop. I remember people saying that. You know when the last time people told us to stop getting involved was when the Germans invaded Poland in 1939 and we were told to keep our noses out of it. Not our business, but actually what we realized was that Adolf Hitler wouldn't stop with Poland. He would carry on attacking other European countries. And so it fell to migrate country along with other allies to stand up and take on this dictator. And I'm getting very similar vibes now where people like you who run very influential media sections in Russia, will you understand? I'm talking to your weapons around Ukraine. Unbelievable. Do you remember at this war who lost 27 million people? Yeah. You asked who did this? Russia did this? Soviet Union? Yeah. And you blame and ask for this? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just to be clear, just to be clear, I'm blaming you, Russia, for the illegal invasion of Ukraine, the slaughtering Ukrainians illegally committing mass murder on the Ukrainian people with no justification whatsoever. It's a sovereign democratic independent country. You know it, and I know it, And you shouldn't have invaded, and I want the European Union. to stand up together, and if America is starting to wobble, because President Trump wants to do dirty diesel deals with Vladimir Putin, I want the Europeans to step up and help the Ukrainians defeat Russia's invasion and get you guys out of their country. It's not your land, it's not your country. That's why the Soviet Union was broken up. That was a whole point of it, and you're just ignoring that, because your boss, Vladimir, wants to have it all back. Well, you know what? That's not how it works. So, you and I will have to disagree. Constantine, I appreciate you. May I ask you a question? Go on. My last question. Sure. Did you invite me for me to tell what I'm thinking? Or to tell me what you're thinking? To be honest with you, Constantine, you lost me when you started saying your big problem with Putin is he's not currently using nuclear weapons. At that point, I realised you might be, as we would say in the UK, one screw-lose of a full toolkit. So, and professional. Thank you. Thank you. You knew where it was at point for me. Well, you know what? In a way you, when you said you wanted Putin to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, you kind of disappointed me, Constantine. Just a little bit, a little bit disappointed in you for advocating the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. People can make their own minds up, whether me, saying what I said about you, is more or less disappointing than what you've said about advocating the use of nuclear weapons, which would slaughter hundreds of thousands of people. And we'll leave that cliffhanger for viewers to work out who's been more disappointing. This is your show, Your Rules. And I understand that it will be your last word. Thank you for inviting me. Sorry that I disappointed you. But believe me, you would be even more disappointed if you would not stop your military propaganda. OK, I'll take your three in the spirit of which is intended. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. What do you want to meet to debate all this is Matt Tardir, retired Greenberry, and host of Speak the Truth. Ryan Boddenheimer, U.S. Air Force veteran and host of Max Afterburner. And Jepisobit, the former Navy Intelligence Officer. Jepisobit, let me start with you. An interesting interview with one of the leading media oligarchs in Russia right now. You think we should be starting to rush us to start nuking Ukraine to bring this to an end. Your thoughts? My gosh, well, my first thought, of course, is that I agree from one perspective that I wish I had nuclear weapons to use on all of my enemies as well. That would be just so much better. But no, I think that I've an incredible interview to say the least appears. And I think it goes to show that I don't know, the guy's background or what his audience viewership there is in Russia. But certainly they have, I guess, they have a hard line too. Well, they may have a hard line, Matt Tardir, but the hard line sounds completely insane to most right-minded people. And wouldn't you make it what you were listening to? Yeah, I mean, that's a typical Russian response. They don't want to admit to shooting. I mean, I heard him say that they ended up moving into the DPR and the LPR in order to protect the airspace from the Ukrainians, from bombing the Russian quotes systems because they declared that area to be a Russian state after they had a fake election over there. But regardless, they ended up shooting down a commercial airliner back in life. Well, it was a 2014 killing a bunch of Americans, Europeans, everybody else using a book missile system. So that within itself falls flat on space. In addition to the reasons that they're there in their first place, I mean, Putin's change of stance on a de-notsification of Ukraine and all sorts of crap. They got their butts kicked back over to the zero line and they haven't been able to move since. Well, so that's very interesting to me. I mean, on the actual military side of this, you know, I've got lots of military in my family. And they were kind of disagreeing actually when this all started in 2022 about how it would play out. You know, my brother-in-law's an army colonel, my brother's former army colonel. So they were interesting with different views. But my brother's view, for example, was that he just couldn't see a way that Ukraine could possibly win. That Russia would just too big, too powerful and would have just two deep pockets, two deep patients that eventually they would win. Is that still automatically the case? Because it seems to me that Russia has hit a line they can't get past. Obviously, there's enormous human carnage on both sides, but predominantly Russian, actually. They're not making any more inroads in. And it seems the inroads are being made by Ukraine into Russia and mainland. I mean, that's just my observation. Am I right to think that? Yeah, so Nate Vance is a good buddy of mine. He gave me an analogy once, and I checked it, and it's true. If you were to take a snail and put it over on the Russian border when Russia launched their invasion in 2022, not, you know, the invasion of Crimea in 2014 and the invasion of the DPR and the LPR back then. But if you were to put a snail on the front line in 2022 on the Russian border and it just started sailing its way across the country, that thing would be like over in the UK by now. That, I mean, they are literally moving below a snail's pace. For every square kilometer that they own, they've lost over 1,000 people. I want you to think about that. Over 1,000 dead Russians for them to take a square kilometer. And so you sit back and you tell me that Russia's winning this war somehow. It's absolute lunacy, especially for Ukraine to be defending their border. Can Ukraine win it? I mean, can Ukraine win it, though, in the way? Absolutely. I mean, I have President Zelensky sitting in the studio last week who believes they can. How can they win that logistics? So logistics drive war, right? This is why Hitler made a huge mistake in vading Russia during World War II in the middle of the winter and they ended up eating their own. You know, these guys were high on amphetamines trying to, and they still couldn't overrun it. It was a combination of that and the US one, lease program to actually end it up, you know, having Hitler lose that portion, us giving weapons over to the Russians in order to have them defeat the Nazis. So right now with the targeting of the oil refineries, what we've actually been seeing and not diesel refineries, let's be clear, because that's going to come up here in just a minute. There's no such thing as diesel refineries as Trump just stated. But, and that's for a political reason, right? Let's be clear about that. But they have been targeting these diesel or excuse me, these oil refineries up over inside of Russia to a great extent. To the point where the diesel that's actually on the road is destroying Russian vehicles and they've been having a ration and what's actually going to the front lines. So that logistical drive is actually what's killing them. Not to mention the vast overturn. We start talking about over a million casualties and soldiers morale. That's really where this starts to come in as winter sets. And Crimea has been completely until they cut off. Completely until they cut off. You look at the videos of the people that are living over in Crimea and what their life is like, Crimea is going to collapse. They can't even get out of there if they want to try. Was it two weeks ago we had over, was it 250, 300 Russians ended up surrendering to Ukraine? And as this winter sets in, those winners over there are brutal. You know, I've been to a lot of cold places in my life, lived in the mountains of Afghanistan, tons of places. But the winter in Ukraine, by far, hands down worst winter I've ever encountered. Those Russians are going to be absolutely miserable because they can't get the supplies. Do you know what this like life expectancy of a Russian is just to move to the front line to get around those drones? We got like a 90% chance to get killed or wounded, just moving their butts up over the front line by these drones. It's completely and totally reshaped the way this warfare is taking place in near pure conflicts. Right. So Ryan Butterham, welcome back to Uncensored. I mean, this makes it to me all the more inexplicable. The President Trump would choose this moment to apparently align the United States with Vladimir Putin. I mean, as an American, are you comfortable with that? Hey, appears agent, I'm going great to see you all today. Well, first of all, that last interview appears that kind of gives you an insight into a lot of the Russian mindset with Ukraine right now. So that's what we're up against. You know, people that literally think nuclear weapons are a good option. And that's just an insight probably into also how Vladimir Putin's brain is working as well. But what I would say is this is an America first policy. It's not President Trump aligning with Ukraine. This is trying to ease some of the damage to the farmers in the United States. And I know that's hard for people around the world to stomach. And you did a great interview with Zelensky as well, but you compared what was going on with President Trump and the diesel deals to appeasement, which I think is categorically false. appeasement was chamberlain. Well, I tell you what I think, let me just fetish real quick. Well, yeah, the point I make on that, though, is simply that I think it's all just an illusion that Trump's trying to create that somehow that the rising prices of diesel and America directly impacting, particularly farmers and so on, is because of Zelensky and Ukraine. When the rest of the world knows, it's actually down to the very flawed war with Iran, which has sent energy prices generally around the world skyrocketing. That's the real reason. It's not fair. Zelensky, I would say that it's both. I would say it's both that are causing the increase in prices, but I do think your plan is correct. The Persian Gulf is obviously. It's a global market. Diesel is a global market. Yeah, it's a global market. How many countries, for how many years, is he going to have to be sold on the global market? I want to go back a bit. I want you to defend your point on it being an American first policy. I'm going to go even if you don't know. An American first policy is trying to. Why is that? That runs his thing and then you're trying to talk. Give me a chance to speak. So the America first policy is trying to end a war that's been going on for years. So with this war, people are dying, right? About thousands of people are dying. So at this point, if we can end it, it's going to be better for everyone. But appeasement was in World War II when Chamberlain tried to get Hitler to not invade. So now we're years into this conflict. President Trump's basically negotiating with a terrorist was Vladimir Putin. I mean, his tactics are terrorist tactics. So if we're trying to actually bring an end to this, both sides might need to talk. And I know a lot of people can't stomach that. But if you're trying to end a conflict that seems to have no end inside. You're going to have to take desperate measures and sometimes that means negotiating with terrorists. So this isn't Chamberlain, this isn't World War II. This is trying to end a war that is senseless and pointless and by the way, Russia controls 19% of Ukraine right now. So I'm pro-Ukraine, but at the end of the day, we've got it in this war. And so ending it before it began would have been the best option obviously. So if you want to go back to that appeasement in 2021, this war never should have happened. So it all goes back to American military showing strength. The American military being strong is the only thing that Vladimir Putin actually cares about. That's the only thing that gives us that. Well, that's me, but let me bring Jack in. I mean, that's my point here. The American military is still the biggest military in the world. If Trump really met business, notwithstanding the fact that Putin has 6,000 nuclear weapons, actually NATO collectively have a few more, right? So that's the whole point of nuclear, you know, the agreement with nuclear on both sides is you have them both and they're a deterrent and so on. That's why they both have them. This casual threat from this media guy, we should toss a few nicks around, well, Putin knows if he does that, that the world will respond and he'll get vaporized. That's the reality of the nuclear. That's a strong U.S. military, yeah, that's deterrents our working years absolutely. Right. So what Trump is doing, Jack, is a Trump, as an American Jack, how can you possibly countenance what Trump has been doing with Putin and doing this dirty diesel deal? I mean, I just can't believe he's done it. It's like, why would you do that? It's tokenism because it's one day's diesel. It's obviously, obviously, to most people that the diesel issue in pricing is almost exclusively down to this ridiculous war in Iran and the fact that he's going badly wasn't just level up with people and get out of Iran and stop this. Well, I mean, there's a lot there. I like that. The dirty diesel deal. Yeah. And it is, isn't it? Do you not think he is? That's, I don't see a problem with the president conducting the diplomacy. If Joe Biden had done that deal with Vladimir Putin, he'd go nuts. Absolutely. He might have started. Well, his son was the one. He was already doing deals with Ukraine. Right. And you went nuts. Right. Because that's what was actually happening. So what's different? Right. That's what proof. There was different between what Biden and the family were doing in, say, barisma in Ukraine. And what is happening now with this, with the diesel deal? Well, I don't believe that unless I understand, Miss, uh, in Ukraine, I don't believe that the president is personally being enriched by the deal, is he? Well, I think Hunter Biden was being enriched by barisma, wasn't he? Yes. You guys all right. Like Don Jr.'s on the board. You went nuts. Of course I mean, I just don't get his prom and Rose Neff. Yeah. You went mad at the Biden family, enriching themselves in dirty, dodgy diesel deals. Of course I did. So if they were simply making a deal with oil, why are you not even worrying about this deal with Putin? I was, here's, I went with Secretary Besent to go and meet with Zelensky on the US Ukraine mineral deal all the way back in January 2025. I have no problem with the US and Ukraine doing oil deals. And of course, the president is going to is absolutely within his rights to make a deal with Russia for diesel on the open market. But that's supposed to be sanctions. The whole point was under Lindsey Graham's plan that we're going to be new sanctions building which they were. Trump's just torn it up. Yes, he's clearly torn it. And by the way, I'm with you on saying that I believe that the Iran situation is obviously what's driving all of this, but he's clearly within his rights to go and try to find some way to get an immediate relief for American farmers for diesel. There won't be any relief. It's one day diesel. It's literally within his rights to go. There is no relief. Well, that's this deal. There might be another one. Well, there might be another one. How much business do you want to be doing with Russia right now, given the supposed to be under sanctions? How much do I want to help US farmers? I want to help US farmers completely. Well, then get out of Iran. Hey, I'm not the one who got that one. Am I wrong? Am isn't the obvious problem that the straight-of-all-mouse remains shut because the Iranians should obviously shut. I think this should be shut. Well, it's pretty well shut. It's pretty well shut. No. And the Iranian regime remains intact. I've been replaced. I've been replaced. All hard lines here. And the truth is the Iranian regime, Jack, the truth is the Iranian regime, contrary to all the predictions, and it's all over in two, two, three weeks, and it was five, six weeks and so on. We are nearly eight, nine months later, and the Iranian regime controls the straight-of-all-mouse. That's not true. If it didn't, energy would be flowing through it in the way it was before the war started. And it's not. Period. It's flowing through in a different way. Can I step in on that one, Jack? Yes. It appears to show. I should ask Pierce. Well, it's flowing through the straight-of-mouse, but it's doing ship-to-ship transfers. So there's specific ships that are going through the southern straight-of-all-mouse region of energy, is flowing through the straight-of-all-mouse now compared to before the war started. Look, I want this to end as much as everybody else, but it's very close. I want the question. Very close to the same amount, but I don't know the exact percentage, but I do know that we've gotten $25 billion out over the last few weeks, and it's ship-to-ship transfers that are doing it. Right. Let me tell you, it is a fragment of what was going through before this, right? And now, as a consequence of the Iranians controlling the straight-of-all-mouse, you've now got the hooties up in Saudi Arabia, pretty much controlling the straight-of-all-mandeb, right? Which is going to cause enormous problems in Saudi Arabia, both in getting energy out and in getting food and stuff in. That's already happening, right? You've got to sink. Unfortunately, this whole decision to go to war with Iran has turned out to be a spectacular disaster. I disagree. I know you're against it, but if you just got a St. Combs X page, you can see truth data from the U.S. military showing the amount of oil that's flowing through the straight-of-all-mouse. It's different. A lot of it now has been reverted through pipelines. So again, I'm not saying the war, there's only six million barrels a day that can be routed through the Saudi pipeline. Only six million barrels a day can be routed through the Saudi pipeline, which has been blown up by the hooties, by the way. And so when you think of the St. Combs page, and you can see the truth, here's the problem with it. Same goes for the St. Combs page. You get the truth because the only place that we can get that information is from St. Combs. You can't verify it any other way. Okay. So you're gonna put that St. Combs page in false. Hold on. No, it's my turn. No, no, no, no. Here's my turn. You said it was an American first policy to buy Russian oil. Do you believe? Yes or no? Very simple question. That supporting U.S. service members is also American first. Yes or no? Absolutely. And also it's not an American first. Absolutely. No, no, no. No, no, no. Thank you. So you said an American first policy to help out the, to help out the farmer. Because we got to relieve the farmer. So let's talk about this now. So now you're going to catch 22. So we're going to catch 22. - You flat out golden materials. - Yes, I agree with you. But at the end of the day keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, and this is in the art of war. So, President Trump has to try different things to try to end this. And I know it's hard to stomach, especially for Europe. I would -- I want to stop. I got to use an absolute betrayal, actually. Jack. Well, you're seeing something play out, Pierce, that hasn't played out before. And that's -- I mean, let me tell you, it's not going to play out well for President Trump. I can tell you, at the mid-summer, I'm playing out for Russia, Ukraine, and all the soldiers that are dying. Okay, but Jack, look, we got the mid-summer elections. I think, President Trump, I just don't understand the tactics here. Why he thinks the sucking up to Vladimir Putin two weeks before the mid-term elections is going to do anything other than drive people away from voting for the Republicans. Is it completely beyond me? Most Americans I know are pulled by this. I've heard people say that as well, but I've also heard a lot of people who say -- and I've been going all around the country with turning point USA and other groups holding rallies and holding events on campus, and people are very, very upset about the cost of living right now. I think the cost of living by far -- And then please, you're doing business with Vladimir Putin, seriously? By far, the cost of living is going to be the number one issue of the -- can I finish? By far, the 2026 election is going to be cost of living number one. Geopolitics is not going to be anyone's near the top of the list. And so, yeah, President Trump is doing something like that. He's cutting a deal with someone who's not a nice guy. For sure, but the point is that he's trying to do something about the cost of living. That's what's obviously driving this. Do you think he's going to have any impact on the cost of living? I think it could have an impact in certain states. Iowa, Kansas, places where he has one day's diesel constituency. It is literally one day's diesel. Yeah. It's one day. Again, it could have impacts on those areas. Yeah. You and I know that's bullshit. There could be more. There could be more. It's one day's diesel we're talking about. That's what the deal is. One day of American diesel consumption. It's going to have an opening. Let me tell you the effect. We're going to have on diesel zero, zero effect. This is clearly a better energy trader than me. But again, these are just facts. These are indisputable facts. One day's diesel. If your question is about the intention of the policy, then that's clearly the intention of the policy. Why does America want to align with that in terms of intermolection? That's all I'm saying. No. The intention of the policy is for Donald Trump to pass the buck off to Zelensky. Jack Yew yourself nine days ago says, Zelensky is attempting to sabotage the freaking elections as tempting as sabotage. Nine years ago. By blowing out the refineries. If you're like watching my Twitter account, so why is it sabotaged? It couldn't possibly be. Now let's talk about, let's talk about you being a propagandist because it couldn't possibly be the Russians invaded their country. Yeah. We're talking about your propaganda. Oh no. Not a neocon. God, thank you, Tucker, thank you so much, Tucker. I pointed out to you that this deal is going to get you a service members killed addressed the fact that this is going to get you as service members killed. I care about your service members last. No, you address you as service members getting killed because of this deal. Address it. How do you address these trees in this because of the war getting you as service members killed because of it. Who started that war? Matt. What US service members got killed because of the war you ran what US service members got killed because of the world. It made just a new service members got killed because of the war you ran. No, I am a freaking real war because unless you're sitting on the back side of a freaking computer, I've had to face actual Islamic terrorists and I've had to face Vladimir of worship and the Russians and you're sitting here trying to pretend like this deal isn't going to kill you as service members. You're going to kill you. You're going to kill you as service members. Let me just say in conclusion, Jake, that I never thought the day would come when MAGA Conservatives in America would come on this show to genuinely full throttle support a dodgy diesel deal with Vladimir Putin. I just find it incredible, absolutely incredible that this is not happening in the world. There is not saying MAGA person alive, three, four years ago would have ever wanted anything to do. You don't have anything to do with it. But to me now is Alex Gibney, the director of Musk and influencer and Musk's former girlfriend, Ashley Sinclair. Well, welcome to both of you. Alex Gibney, Elon Musk didn't participate in your film, but in the few months before it came out, he said on his platform, "Ex it will be a terrible hit piece, biased and boring AF," which stands for as fuck, because it's four hours long. How do you plead to those charges? Not guilty. Everybody seen the film says it flies by, and it was never a hit piece. It was an investigation. That's what you start with something. In fact, when I started the film, I was kind of a fan of Elon Musk. I admired what he had done at Tesla in terms of using the private sector to tackle climate change. So again, but I do find that Elon's response is performative. And full of bullshit, which of course, became the central theme of the film. I mean, my sort of argument, I guess, about the overarching view of it. Because the Guardian, there was an epic study of the world's richest and most banal man. For I actually said, it was a lacerating portrait of technocratic brilliance, power-lusting, crackpot, delusion. You know, my view of Musk, and I've only, I've met him a couple of times, and had a sort of one hour chat with him over a drink a couple of years ago. But my view of him is a complex character, probably on the spectrum somewhere. Obviously, as a brilliant mind, has done some extraordinary things to the benefit of the world. world, I would say Starlink, Neuralink, you know, his green energy cars, Tesla and so on. All these things, his stuff up in space for SpaceX. All these things could be seen to be for the benefit of mankind. And yet he does probably 20% of him. I see the stuff you post sometimes. I think it's crazily over in flammetry. I've hated what he said this week about Ukraine. And so in other words, there are things I disagree with him about. But I broadly think in the totality, as with so many geniuses, the totality of Musk is good outweighing the bad. Would you agree with that? I would say that his companies have produced some technological achievements. But listen to the framing of the way you've kind of talked about him. It would be a framing that Elon Musk would very much like to endorse. But, you know, would you say that the president of Volkswagen is saving civilization? No, the president of Volkswagen is making cars and trying to sell the cars to public. That's what he did at Tesla. At SpaceX, the reusable rockets are impressive. Starlink is an interesting technology for people in remote rural areas and on the battlefield in Ukraine. But maybe, as you as you might have said, we see the problem with interesting technologies like that to a man who's likely not of sound mind. And suddenly we have an incident like the one we had recently when Russia launches ballistic missiles. We don't even know who is responsible for slowing down Starlink, which are how those ballistic missiles to penetrate Ukrainian territory. So I think what you have is an overinflated sense of how much he's leading to the improvement of global civilization. He is the steward of some companies, which, by the way, are generally manned by some very capable executives and engineers. He's not. His genius, I would argue, is stock pumping because that is where he really shines. He's managed to take companies which have a rather mediocre profit and loss record and to make himself through stock pumping the richest man in the world. That, I think, is a reframing of who this guy is. He's not a genius inventor. He never invented anything. Okay, Ashley, good to see you again. But last time I saw you, was actually right before the 2024 elections, you appeared on uncensored in a lively debate about that election. And you had a little baby with you. And little did I know at the time, that little baby was Romulus, who is Elon's child, along with yours. So that was quite a turn up for the books when we discovered that. So nice to see you again, but you were with Elon for, I mean, I went on and off for quite a while. He tried to diminish the kind of relationship you had. First of all, how did you feel about that? He's obviously had a lot of girlfriends, a lot of children. What's your feeling about the way he has categorized your relationship? I don't feel any way about it. You know, I think it makes him look worse. If anyone is to accept the premise, I think he tweeted, you know, she was never my girlfriend and we only met up a few times. Yes, I too have children and share secrets with people I've only met a few times. So I think it just makes him look more absurd. But the, the bigger picture there is that this is all coming out on the heels of Alex's work of Alex's documentary, in which it does show some unfavorable things about Elon. So I think that's the bigger picture, even him, shooting this hollow car with rocket boosters off of the Hot Wheels ramp. I think it's all a distraction from the incredible work that Alex has done here. I mean, look, I would say that the stunt with the car this week, it was brilliant. It was a brilliant marketing stunt. You know, quite whether whatever get cars that can actually do this remains to be seen, but as a marketing stunt, I thought it was brilliant. And my question for you, actually, would be the same one I put to Alex, and you speak from a position of knowing Elon very intimately, you share a baby together. You know, what, what percentage would you say of Elon Musk is a force for good? And what percentage would you say is a force for not good? I don't know how, and I did not appreciate your framing of, you know, he runs these companies that do electric vehicles and have all this technology that frankly would have come into existence without Elon, because it's the engineers who are the real brains behind this. But I think all of that is negated by everything that he is doing currently, that what he is doing on X and Twitter and the hate that he is pushing out. If you remember a few months ago, he was violently pushing out this movie citizen vigilante. And peers, I'm not sure if you saw that movie, but it cannot be interpreted as anything less than an incitement to violence against immigrants and brown people. I think all of that, that in itself negates so much good. I think genuinely, I hope that he surrounds himself with people who start telling him now. Do you ever talk to him? We do not speak right now. So how do you, I mean, do you co-parent at all? Does he ever see his child? I'm not at liberty to talk about that. Okay. I mean, Alex, you know, there's so much stuff about Musk. He's a bit like Trump in that degree. And he shares with Trump a kind of very intemperate, rhetorical style when he's on social media, which, you know, some people love him for it. And some people hate him for it. You know, my own dealings with him have been very kind of mccurial weird. I've twice nearly got an interview with him and then he's cancelled over tiny little slides that he's perceived other things I've said or done. I'm sure he will again now. Which is, it flies in the face of his old claim to be the king of free speech. And that's why he bought Twitter and everything else. So he clearly has his agenda. He clearly will censor people about free speech. If he doesn't like what he's hearing, I think that's indisputable for my own dealings with him. And yet I still maintain the in totality, like a lot of geniuses. They also are flawed in quite a long way. Would you genuinely conclude from your film and your work about him and so on that he's essentially a bad person? I don't traffic in these terms like good person, bad person. I would say that he is a confidence man. Now let's look, you know, let's take Tesla for example. He claims to be the founder of Tesla. He is not the founder of Tesla. He didn't invent the technology on a Martin Eberhardt does who was interviewed in the film. He also had the business plan for the company but Elon needed to take it over, take over that mantle. Why? So that people would start calling him a genius, but he's not an inventor. He's an investor. Now, Tesla, okay, I like the idea of a private electric car company helping to solve the climate crisis, but he uses the ill-gotten stock pumping from Tesla to elect Donald Trump. What does Donald Trump's fundamental, what was his one of his key slogans going into the 2024 election? Drill, baby, drill. Now I would, he's done way more to destroy the climate than almost anybody on planet earth. If your goal was to protect the climate, you wouldn't elect Donald Trump. So clearly something else is going on here and it really has to do with a man who wants to excrete, a creed, extraordinary amounts of power and also doesn't ever want to be held accountable because one of the reasons you helped elect Donald Trump was because he was facing, I believe it was 32 civil investigations by 11 different authorities and indeed was facing potential criminal indictment for fraud. All of those disappeared once Donald Trump became president. Has he come off to you legally for the film? He threatened to, of course, he threatened to before even having seen the film and he claimed the film said something other than what it said. And that was just a way of trying to silence speech. And by the way, in that way, I would say he's not alone. I mean, or the ads for the film have, we're recently subject to a permanent ban on TikTok, which is owned 15% by the way, by Larry Ellison, one of Elon Musk's close friends. So the attempts to kind of constrain critique and maintain this image that he wants to cultivate of him being a genius looking out for the, for the good of the planet is, it's, it's just bollocks. Very British insult you've come over there. Alex, actually, you know, you, you must have seen a lot of qualities in Elon to want to sleep with him and have a child with him, right? And you're going to have to at some stage tell your son that you share with Elon about his dad. When you, when you think about the good side of Elon, what would you say? The good side right now is my optimism that one day he gets help. Well, you think he's, what does he need help for? Do you think that's a question for his doctors, but I, I have a hard time with this question because this is a man who owns one of the largest social media platforms in the world. And peers, you know, as well as I know what happens when someone like Elon tweets about you and the severe risk to your security and how a man like him can go online and viciously attack his own child, his grown child and constantly put a target on her head and make a child of yours, your villain origin story is despicable. It is beyond me and I just cannot condone that behavior. I don't find anything redeemable about that. But is there anything redeemable about his character by him? He is great at Diablo. That's it. He has it right now. I think you know one of the things that the film looks at is that Elon at some point was a very different person. How he's changed and whether or not power either exacerbated certain negative characteristics or whether power corrupted him, it's hard to say. That will be a you know, we suggest some possibilities in the film and obviously he had difficult childhood growing up. But so did a lot of people and it didn't cause them to be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children, as was the case when he summarily cancelled USAID as part of Doge. Like are there good parts? He's a human being. And so somewhere in there, this is probably something good and the companies that he started are thriving companies full of great engineers that do interesting things. But right now you'd have to say that this man is putting us all in some kind of existential risk and he is really not of right mind and that should be a terrifying thing considering the amount of power that he has accreted not only through his wealth and his technological power but also his political power aligning himself with Donald Trump, who has a Department of Justice, that is at once a protection racket and a mechanism for revenge. Well he's certainly being very active in politics. He's just donated $158 million to the Senate leadership erased particularly in Texas for the Republican candidates. So he's clearly trying to influence American politics in a very substantive way. Final word to you actually, you want to say something? He's not trying to influence American politics, he is. And I believe that all of these things that he's a part of deserve inquiry. And you know to come up here and have me questioned on what do you think your child is going to think about this? What are you going to say to your child about him? Well there's worth online right now to hundreds of millions of people where he is calling me evil for speaking the truth. I think that speaks more to his character than anyone's. And I hope one day that I'm not the only one who is able to speak out and that's the reason that I'm here is that I'm one of the only ones who can speak about Elon because I said now. Okay, we're going to leave it there, Ashley and Alex, thank you both very much and thank you for joining me. I appreciate it. Thanks, Pears. Well joining me now is Ian Bremmer. He's the President of the Eurasia Group in. Great to see you and I want to start with nothing to do with what we're going to talk about. I want to extend my deepest sympathies to you and condolences over the loss of your dog Moose that I read about in your weekly email and it really touched me the way you ended your email and I'm very sad for you and your family that you've lost Moose. Oh man, I didn't expect that at all. He's 16 years young and you know how much we love our our little animals and he's been a part of my life both privately and publicly for a long time and was did his utter damnedest. This was a dog whose will to live just exceeded the capacity of the body to keep going and I know I know he's still wanted to be with us but thanks for saying it pears out. It's obviously it's he's a tremendous little guy and I miss him immensely. I haven't actually said anything about it publicly yet and I guess I am now but there you have it. I was just struck because I've got two cats. I hadn't had a pet since I was a teenager and they're four years old today, their brother and sister and I was just thinking about them and then I've read your email which I read every week. If people don't subscribe to it, they should. It's one of the best overviews of geopolitics that I get each week and you just stuck it on the end there and I was just I was very moved and I just as a fellow pet owner and lover, I send my deep sympathies to all of you. No thanks, pure 16. It's a good 100 for us. I mean if that's the way that you and I go, we will have lived a very whole life and I frankly I hope it is. You know, it's to invest. Yeah, well RIP Moose. Let's move to what you were booked to talk about and there's so much in your wheelhouse in. Let's start with Ukraine. Where are we? You know, I had President Zelensky sitting in this studio a few days ago. Really being as critical of President Trump as I've heard him, talking about being betrayed by the president, a lion that made headlines around the world. What do you think is really happening here? Do you think that Trump's alliance with Putin over this diesel deal, the fact it appears to be more tokenistic than anything, but appears to be saying I'm with Putin now, was that the final straw do you think for Zelensky? I mean, Zelensky clearly does not want to be in a position where he is publicly criticizing Trump. He has worked mightily as has his cabinet over the last year ever since a year ago April when he was summarily thrown out of the White House without lunch and had intelligence suspended for about a week. I mean, he's had to bite his tongue on so many occasions thanking the Americans for everything they're doing and for everything, of course, that they aren't doing that they used to do. So much more money that the Americans used to provide, which now it's all the Europeans, the Canadians, the Japanese. He did not want to be in this position. And he is. And I think he is because President Trump has decided that he is moving towards military neutrality, doesn't care who wins the war, irrespective of who started it, as long as it's over, doesn't, doesn't matter to him, what, what the deal looks like. And secondarily, he's politically aligning himself with Putin over Zelensky, the invitation to the G20 summit, the engagement on, on diesel and the unilateral decision to, to, to pull away from the, Lindsey Graham, bipartisan, sanctioned effort from Congress, the call for Zelensky to leave power. He hasn't said that about Putin, the saying that Zelensky is actually more responsible for the war, that he's the one that wants the war to continue. I mean, honestly, Pierce, you read this and it's or wellian. It's, it's, it's as if the entire world Trump is trying to gaslight that war is peace, and ignorance is strength. That is the, the opposite of what you and I and, and all of us around the world watching this conflict know to be true, but Trump has decided that he is angry at Zelensky, Zelensky is the weaker party, and therefore he is going to lean against his adversary over the interests of tens of millions of Ukrainian people. And of course, all of America's allies in NATO, who he has not coordinated with one bit. It's, it's really a staggering shift for the president of the United States. It is. And the, the telegraph in the UK reported specifically about the slowing down of Star Shield, which is the military version of Star Link, that it was deliberately slowed down, and they reported that Elon Musk, who owns this, approached Donald Trump with a proposal to introduce speed limits on the system, which then hampered Ukraine's drone defenses. They had four sources for this story, so it appears to be incredibly well-sourced, and the Trump agree with must suggestion, and the Pentagon did indeed slow it down, and then Putin took advantage of our situation to escalate attacks in Ukraine. I mean, if that is true, you have an American president, alien by the most successful businessman in American history, apparently conspiring to leave a sovereign democratic country exposed to a Russian dictator, because they, they want a cyber Putin of Zelensky. Well, number one, the decision is solely that of the commander-in-chief. The order would have been given by the White House, and it would have been carried out by the Pentagon. And I think we need to keep our focus on that. And this is not Star Link, Star Shield is a holy in the domain of the U.S. government, as it should be. These are decisions of war and peace, and of the defense or not of the Ukrainian nation. Also, Trump's demand, the demand to stop attacking energy targets. civilian energy targets, which he said was agreed to just a week ago, claimed it was agreed to by the Russians and Ukrainians. Clearly lied about that. That was not the case at the time. He then later said, well, it's because I said it. So that's the case. The Ukrainians having heard that from Trump, having faced that pressure publicly and privately suspended their own attacks on Russian energy targets for a matter of days, the Russians within a matter of hours renewed their attacks on Ukrainian energy targets. And then after several days of this, the Ukrainians restarted their attacks on Russian refineries. And yet Trump is blaming, singularly, blaming Zalensky. And not a word, not a word from President Trump on the Russian expansion of tax against Ukrainian civilians, not a word condemning the Russian attacks, the hybrid attacks on NATO allies directly. So again, I think this is quite startling. And it is a dramatic change in how we must think about the future of the transatlantic alliance and NATO, which here too far was the strongest collective security agreement in the world. Of course, there are people on the Russian side who persistently say NATO bought this on themselves because NATO kept encroaching, encroaching, encroaching and talking about greater encroachment, talked about bringing Ukraine into NATO and so on. And this became something which Putin kept warning about, and warning about, and warning about, and eventually he lost patience. And that's why he invaded Ukraine. What do you say to people that have that argument? Well, first, let's remember that the same Kremlin, including Putin himself, had given direct assurances to the German Chancellor to the French President in the months coming up to their invasion, that they had absolutely no intention of attacking Ukraine, that it would never happen, that why were all of these dispersions being cast against the President of Russia? So the credibility of the Kremlin on these issues is clearly zero. Secondly, more broadly. So I mean, in other words, we should not be taking what the Russians are saying with any credibility on matters of war and peace in Ukraine. But we should look at history. And of course, it's true that the United States held out a lot of prospect of integration to the Russians, created the NATO, Russia, Council, created the G7 plus one. And in all of these cases, Russia was never really integrated. They were sort of given a kind of associate status with everybody knowing they were never going to be trusted. They were never going to be full members. And you and I know Pierce, if you really want to alienate someone, want to alienate a kid at school, pretend you're going to let them into your club when you never have any intention of doing it. And that creates an enormous resentment and anger. And I believe that Putin, who certainly in the early days of his rule, was hoping to become a part of the West. And we saw some of this even after 9/11 when he opened up Soviet bases and former Soviet bases, bases in the Central Asia, independent states, so that the Americans could engage effectively in logistics for the war in Afghanistan. He saw that he was never going to be welcomed into the West. And that reality, together with a lot of governance failures and kleptocracy inside Russia that Putin himself is responsible for, led to an environment where the Americans and the Russians became implacable enemies once more. And certainly in that regard, the fact that many of the independent states of former Soviet Empire wanted to go their own way, particularly the former Slavic nations and those nations with large Slavic populations inside them. So Northern Kazakhstan, Northeast Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, those were areas that suddenly many nationalists inside Russia, including Putin, decided it was unacceptable for those places to persist in their independence. That they would not have the right to determine their own future, not their own security, not their own economy, not their own diplomacy. And so the idea that those places could function as independent countries became anathema to the non-lawfully elected president of Russia, the unfrily and unfairly elected president of Russia, Vladimir Putin. And that is where we've gotten to today. Final question in, would Putin, if they do a deal, which involves him keeping large sues of the Donbass for arguments sake and Crimea, which he obviously took several years ago? If that deal is done, would you trust Putin to leave it there or some have suggested he would do? Of course not. Again, you wouldn't trust Putin. You would need to ensure that the Ukrainians continued to be the strongest military in Europe. This, of course, Putin has helped ensure Ukraine is far better defended, including their own drone capabilities, their own intelligence capabilities, their own ability to raise an effective and experienced fighting force far more than the Germans, far more than anybody else in Europe because of the Russian invasion. You now have additional members of NATO in the Nordic countries because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The Germans are spending wildly more on defense because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We can clearly say that Putin's decision to invade Ukraine is the biggest self-destructive move by a major world leader since Soviet collapse in 1991. And so while I wouldn't trust Putin to only stick with the territory that he might prevail in taking, in integrating after some plausible deal in the future, we can say that the military response to Russia is much more capable so that you don't need to rely on trust of the Russians than it certainly was in 2022 when he started this war or in 2014 where he illegally annexed Crimea. What in the hairy depths of Harry Hale is going on? It was not intrinsically nasty. Can he put a curse on you? I can't put guess on my blood out. He's a very good man. Plus out for your episodes and exclusive insights as well as prior to your access to AMAs, live events and big interviews. You got me. You can support the show that you love most or get the whole lot. 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