Pursuing what you’re best at with Breanna Holmes

When the weather gets very stormy and you're like a crap, what am I doing? I'm an idiot. I can't believe I thought I could do this, blah, blah, blah. Just the ability to notice that you're there and just redirect your focus to the basic things you know you need to do, and it's that skill right there is what gets my students through the exam and to pass it. And also that is the one that I cling to for life. Hi guys, welcome to Response Able with Professor Nikki James. I mean, louder is better than mine. I think so. I think so. Because then we can yell. We can yell. I feel like I have a fake loud voice. I'm actually screaming right now, I would be super loud. Hi everybody. Welcome back to the Response Able podcast. I am still in South Africa, but this week I am going to introduce you to one of my new friends, Brianna Holmes, I'm like a lot of the other people on the podcast so far, Brianna and I have only just met, but we both were in Cape Town for various reasons. Brianna is from the South in the United States and she's doing something really cool that I really wanted to share with you and she's so passionate about what she does. So let's jump straight into the conversation so that you can meet and learn from Brianna. I'll see you on the other side. Oh my gosh. Okay. So take me back. So you were studying chemistry initially. Yeah. Where was the grandiose decision made that you would go to university and chemistry is what you wanted to do or be when you grow up? So college was always in the cards, like that was just not a question. Like the sun's going to rise. I'm going to go to college. Right. And then I remember being there for freshman orientation, like credit to our parents, like our parents raised us like free range chicken, like they didn't, they're just like, whatever you want to do and just just let us go into the world and try things on our own. And so I get the orientation and they're like, so have you thought about what you want to major in? And I was like, no, what's that? Yeah. I was like, I didn't, okay. All right. Think about this. Like I'm thinking about this on the spot. What is easy that I don't really have to study for, but also has decent prospects on the other side? I was like, Oh, chemistry. Yeah. That's all do. I like that. Not a lot of people would be out to say I didn't have to study that on for chemistry. So obviously it wasn't something you could enjoy. You don't have a really great teacher or something like that. I think it just goes back to like the entire basis of a who I am and be the business that I have now. It's that chemistry, you don't have to study because the periodic table makes it an open note test if you know how to read it. I like to maximize ROI, not just by like, by minimizing the input, you know, like I went little input, huge output. So chemistry was just that. Okay. Yeah. This is, I guess, formulas and all the information's there for you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And engineering's the same way. So. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, Kelly and I were, were friends and I was open with her. I was like, man, I don't want to be a doctor. I don't want to be a pharmacist. I don't want to, I was like, I don't want to be a dentist. I, anything you could do, like, I don't, I definitely don't want to do research. I did that for a summer at the University of Alabama with Dr. Praffa. She's amazing. Well, every project she has just trying to say the world's like anti-cancer solar cells and like a carbon neutral way to create like gasoline or something is like, she's incredible. But I was like, nope, not doing this. And she just was like, but like, it's as good as an art degree, which she had one and she came back to school for engineering. So I was like, oh, you're right, I'm not going to use this at all. So I should figure out a different way to make money. So yeah. Do something where I can apply these skills. Yeah. Yeah. That's so good. Well, anyway, we kind of just jumped right into the middle. Yeah, we did. Yeah. Brianna, welcome. Thank you. Sorry if I have to have you here. This is a quite crazy story. Guys, we both look at the U.S. with Matt and South Africa in Cape Town. And they're very random circumstances, which in show will come out or even the podcast. But we're going to leave that a little bit like a lucid for now and just say, welcome. And it would be really great if you could just like introduce yourself, who are you? How do you end up here? Whatever comes to mind. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. So my name is Bri. I'm going to end up here, meaning like having my own business and that sort of thing. Whatever. Whatever. How have you ended up where you want to stay? Yeah. That's probably the best. Oh, man. So how I ended up where I am today is I have always had a knack for taking the complicated and making it super simple, especially for people who are more nervous and having them apply that. So now I teach engineers, especially people. I kind of specialize in people who have failed multiple times to for the FE. I teach them how to actually pass, which is just an extension of what I did all throughout my college career. I taught for four different, I tutored for four different schools within college. It was chemistry, of course, physics, electrical engineering and the writing school. And in before that, I wrote horses and I taught little kids how to write too, which they're usually kind of scared because horses are gigantic. But again, I just have been building people's confidence in showing them that it's easy and that they can do it for like ever. So that's how I ended up here, which is really, really awesome. And I think a lot like everybody needs more confidence and everybody needs people and they can encourage him. That's really awesome. So we kind of jump into the middle of the story, talking about like starting out in undergrad in chemistry and then switching to engineering. And now you run your own business, basically helping people kind of increase their confidence and be able to take these exams they need to have a successful career, which is super important because some people are really smart and they just really bad test tickets. My head is in the air right now. Yeah. Yeah. I was literally waiting around. How did you get from like studying engineering, like you graduated, did you go into the field in for a while and then what made you pivot into running your own business? Yeah. So when I first graduated, I actually was teaching people how to pass the exam because my entire graduating class was forced to take the FE or we weren't allowed to graduate. So we all took it. And I will never forget the Wednesday morning we all got our results back and it was me, the kid who didn't do homework, didn't go to class, like didn't really know what was going on. I passed and then like two four oh kids passed and everyone else failed and it blew my mind because I was like, clovus, Tyler, like all of the Andrew, all these other kids are way smarter. They have like they know what they're doing, I'm just skating through on logic and math all right, but these guys like viscerally understand what electrical engineering is. I have no idea how they didn't like this makes no sense. And so I talked to them and I realized that I approached the exam completely differently from everyone else. I did it with logic and just I was like, listen, these are the cards that I have, the ones I'm going to play. And everyone else treated it as if it was like a final exam and like a referendum on like who they are as engineers and like if I can't remember how to blah, blah, blah and like so that's what I did when I first graduated. And at some point I was like, I feel a little guilty. Like I should I should grow up and get a big girl job with health insurance, you know. And so I did that. It worked at a tech firm for a little bit and then I always knew I would end up having my own business and there is a mentor of mine who was like, listen, if you get a job in sales, you will learn everything you need to know about business. And so I got a job and I was a sales engineer for a few years in the food manufacturing industry. So I would sell design and project manage like 5, 6, 7, 8 figure construction projects for the food industry and how I came back to tutoring or it's not even really tutoring, it's more like coaching, how I came back to that was just that I was closing big deals. But I remembered that, you know, when I first graduated, there was a woman named Grace and she found me and she was like, hey, so I just signed an apartment lease across the country. And I told this job that I had my license, but I don't, and I have one more attempt for the year. So if I don't pass this, I'm on the hook for an apartment lease in a city I don't live in, and without a job. Yeah, I need to pass. Okay, all right, I got you. And so, you know, I got her, we spent like 48 hours not a weekend, but over a few weeks, we spent 48 hours together, and when she told me she passed, I was so excited that I opened the door so hard, I ripped it off of its hinges. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Yeah, and so like closing gigantic deals has never given me that sense of like happiness and excitement and fulfillment, but helping someone like Grace all day every day. So like, I was like, you know, what do I want out of life? I want, I want to feel like that. So that's how I came back. That's amazing. And you learn all of those skills, okay, how to sell, how to build a business, how to price things, and all that from the sales. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Yeah, what do you think was some of the key things that you learned in sales that you're now applying to building your own thing? That's a really good question. So contractors kind of have a rep, right? Everyone's got a story. Oh, this contractor ran away with my down payment and blah, blah, blah, blah. They'd have built it and we've been in a lawsuit for 18 years. Like, so the thing I learned to say and follow through if was we will not leave until you're happy. So that gives people a lot of like, just reassurance and that's why I have my offer structured in the way that I do. So I just tell people, look, if I see your scores and I kind of evaluate you and your personality, like if you really want to do this, if you know that sort of thing, like if we work together, and if you fail, like, I'll just keep working with you for free until you pass. So like, there's no, there's no risk. Like, if, if I take you on, we are getting over the line. I don't know how many times it's going to take the most anyone's ever taken with me is three. Everyone's usually done on one, but the most is three. And yeah, so that's, that's what I've taken. So the flow through of getting things done. Yeah, because a lot of people, you're right. A lot of people have stories. I've a friend who's been, look, that's before I'm not going to have her name. But she has been renovating her home. And I think it was meant to take three months. And she was still living in her heart. And it was just a full of stress. And so yeah, that's a really important lesson. Right. And it's a really good, like, human character skill, right. Follow three. I said, I was going to help you and provided you show off and meet your end deal. I will keep working with you and get you a lot. Yeah, absolutely. And like, and my guarantee is a little different than all the other ones in the industry. So here are my requirements. You need to show up when you say you're going to show up. You need to take these and we say you're going to take it. And you need to do your own homework. That's it. If you can do those things, we're good. No, that's so good. So chemistry, engineering, working in the field for a while, working in sales, jumping into your own business, all in what period of time. What I mean is I think I've had more careers in my lifetime and my dad has had jobs. Wow. Right. Because he let you know that the evolution of how things work in ebb and flow and check change. And we're not kind of set and stuck in one thing. And I've been believed that like your 20s is for learning. Yeah. Right. And then you don't use this for earning and 40s is paying it forward. I like us kind of. And then you worry about the rest of like leaving legacy or whatever. But I love that he did so many different things and picked up skills and things like that. So I'm just like, how long was that phase feed? Because I feel like students often come out of the university and think it's going to take forever. But it sounds like that will happen quite quickly. Yeah. So I graduated five years ago. And yeah, I don't it doesn't take forever. It is a winding road. Like this is where I started. And I did a bunch of stuff in the middle and came back. I feel like I came back home to what I was supposed to do. But yeah, it's not one and done and it's not a straight shot, but it also isn't an eternity either. And I think the lesson here is the same that I teach my students. It applies for both exams and and for just life in general, especially for like starting a business and that sort of thing. But it's just that like. Listen, you just got to you got to play the cards that you're you're dealt. There is no certainty ever. The things we are certain of are death and taxes. Everything else is just a probability game. Yeah. You're not ever going to feel certain about anything. I don't care if it's an integral on an exam or the next job you should take or what you're doing in your in your business. It's yeah, you just got it. You just got to pull the trigger. So do you have any idea where that mindset came from? Because that is quite unique. I would say right now. I think it's the mindset you need because everything is crazy. I'm certain. Right. But then we have some people going, oh, big gosh, it's more intense than is ever been the other and we're all going to freak out and how do we handle this? Where are you saying to be going? This is just how things are almost going to make it work. Yeah, I think I really think it came. So I grew up writing horses and in ballet. And I think the horses really shaped me mentally because I think it really changes the psychology of like a 50 pound for, I don't know how much children way, but like a small six year old girl controlling an 800 pound animal. And I think honestly that was probably some of the best business training I've ever gotten right because I was managing another being since I was six. And so when you're going so fast, I did show jumping or the hunter jumper thing. And when you're going so fast, you don't really have the opportunity to him and hall, like you've got to make a decision, like you're either leaving long or leaving short to a jump. And you don't have time to second guess if you second guess it gets super ugly, you just have to decide. So I was for 10 years was just like pulling first or shooting first and asking questions later. So I think, I think that's probably really good. Right. And I guess that builds up your resilience to that because you obviously know it's coming sometimes. So many, you've probably succeeded much more than you thought, so you know, I'm wanting to remember is, oh wow, okay, there's some odds to this. I just got to do it. There's no right answer. Yeah, maybe I'll eat it, but that's how they likely it's going to be okay. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I've had my share of really nasty falls. I've broken my spine twice with horses. But I mean, you know, if unless you're going to the emergency room, you get back on. Yeah. And I think that was a really useful lesson as a kid because you know, you can take a punch in the face from negative comments and hate and anything that's just tough. Right. But you mean you just get back up. So no, that's so good. I love it. And it's obviously that mindset mentality is really helped you grow the business and do everything that you've done. If you could give me a little pro con list of starting a business, pros and cons. Oh, man. So it's you're no longer allowed to hide. So I would say it's a pro anticon. Well, this is the center of the band diagram. You go, well, that's really cool. It could be by your seat and tell me what leads one way or the other. How about that? Okay. Okay. So I would say the main thing that comes to mind is just that your limitations, your fears where you need to grow as a person. There's no, there's zero hiding from that because especially in the beginning or the way I'm doing it is it's just you. So if you want the thing on the other side, you've got to fix that thing that you've been avoiding or you've got to grow in a certain way. And that's that's double sided right because you're kind of you're kind of like facing your demons a little bit. But once you slay them and you're on the other side, you're more confident than ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like you're facing your demons, but I'm facing my doings like the perconic. Yeah. Quaking in your boots, but like shooting first and asking questions later. Yeah. And we have talking things right and probably shorter in a much shorter term than you would if you could hide behind a manager or a boss. Yeah. It's cool. Any others that come to mind? I would say a pro. And here's another reason I decided to go back to my own thing is Ray Dalio. I think is who came up with this, but he says your 20s are in your 20s, you think it's about the destination. The Destination. It's time for the climb. You're 20s, you think it's about the destination. in your 30s, you understand that it's the journey. But in your 40s, you understand it's who you journey with. And so when you do your, yeah. And so when you do your, in me being me, I'm like, screw that, I'm skipping ahead. And so, I love that the efficiency, the efficiency that I came to play. I want the math, and I'm gonna go to the group this. - Yeah, and I was like, how can I structure my life in a way that I get to pick everyone around me. And that's having your own business, which is like super great, super, super great. And you build so much confidence in your ability to help yourself and to help others. There's literally nothing like helping someone pass, especially people who've failed multiple times before, or the stakes are super high. I mean, it'll make you rip a door off its hinges. - Yeah, that's so good. - Yeah. - Any of you to, I mean, there's all the obvious ones like flexibility, hello, we're in Cape Town South Africa right now. - Yeah, yeah. - Because there's also no vacation time. - Right. - It's in the box stops for you. - Mm-hmm. - The box stops for you. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - Yeah. - And you can take that, I think, depending for me, I don't run my own business now, at least, but I have in the past. And depending on how you're feeling, and what else has been happening, that intonation on that thing changes, right? And it's like, you're having a bad day, it's like, oh, that's tough to think. But then it's like, oh, the box doesn't even ring. I can do it for one. It thinks it going well. - Yeah. But yeah, you just get to march through and try things, and yeah, what do you think like the future looks like? Are you kind of living in the moment, just a little rebuilding? Do you have some plans of things that you want to achieve with the business? - You know, I think I want to add something to what you just said, and then we can go to the next question, because the same thing that I'm dealing with, with running a business like your emotions, 'cause we're emotional beings, you know, we're not machines. - Really? - Yeah. - Oh, my God. - Let me show you a way, people. - Where I am now in noble laureates. (laughing) - I'll give you a piece of prize. - Thanks, thanks. Revolutionary stuff. But it's how you handle your emotions, and that's what I teach my students to, 'cause it's like, it doesn't matter how you feel in a way, right? You can feel like you're doing everything wrong, but mechanically, you're doing it all right. And so when the weather gets very stormy, and you're like, oh, crap, what am I doing? I'm an idiot, I can't believe I thought I could do this, blah, blah, blah, just the ability to notice that you're there, and just redirect your focus to the basic things you know you need to do. - Right. - And it's that skill right there. - Yeah. - Is what gets my students through the exam and to pass it, but also that is the one that I cling to for life. - Right. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's cool. I think it's, I think it's for neighbors. I'm not 100% so I'm not gonna let you double down on that. - Yeah. - She's like, I think a lot of people think that their emotions are the drive, but they're signal, they're the signal going, the signal that's on the board. - Yeah. - Right. - To kind of let you know how it's going and how you're feeling and all that. So that's how they're not meant to be the driver. And I think that what you were saying in terms of, like, you can let it overwhelm you. But then you can also go like, okay, just two will pass. - Yeah. - Oh, and here it's okay. - Yeah. - I just have to do the best I can. - Yeah. - Though that freak out is not like not serving me. - Right. - Yeah. - Right. - So powerful. And I think it's, it's really easy to talk about. - Really hard to do. - Yes. - You have any like tips or tricks that you give students that still go in and see me nervous or not yet fully able to kind of get with, you know, there's people that are like, I fully wanna go in there super like great. But I know the moment that I get in the room, I'm probably gonna have a minor freak out. How do you teach them to pull themselves down from the niche? - Oh man, I am a huge believer in prevention. What's that phrase? An ounce of prevention. Gosh, I'm so American. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of the cure. And so, you know, for my people who haven't been to the testing facility yet, I'm like less than you are gonna go there twice before you test. You're gonna walk up to the door and you're gonna put your hand on the door. Because on test day, you don't need to be thinking, oh crap, like where is it? I've never been here. Is this a turn lane? Oh crap, that's on the helming traffic. Oh my gosh, I'm kind of a little like, where's the elevator? No, we're not doing that. We're, nope. And then the other thing too, the thing that makes the biggest difference as far as anxiety goes for everybody is that I teach them to box breathe which is you inhale for four, you hold for four, you exhale for eight. And literally as soon as you feel that uptick in your heartbeat, I don't care if it's while you're in the shower or if it's on question 10. Whenever that happens, boom, box breathe. Yeah, so those are the big ones. Yeah, so preparation, if you know, you're gonna be nervous like doing the beginning part. I think I automatically do that. I don't know you, I think this is a really random story but I will always go when I go to get my newbies and I always have to go to a US Embassy. Yeah. And I know that I'm never doing anything that's gonna make them kick me out. But I don't like me being late to that and having the rebook and the worst case scenario happened in my head. They're not gonna have availability, they're not gonna be in it. If I don't gonna get in trouble, like I'm just right. Right, right, right. And so I will always go a day early. Yeah, I'm watching. Yeah, hold to the building, I'll go to the building. Sorry, well, where he is, I knew with the doors where I have to enter. So I kind of like, I've applied that. And kind of even though I haven't been wanting as soon as a test to the body, that actually works. And it goes, I do it myself. Yeah, it does. It really, really does. And yeah, absolutely. And once you kind of control your amygdala, I call it the stress almond. And once you control the stress almond a little more, I'm just like, okay, listen. And you're just, you have the feelings you're doing when it takes to like lower your heart rate. And then you're just gonna refocus on what is the next step. Right. Yeah, using that logical brain that you spend so much time like feeling with information and logic and understanding. So the ink and that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing too that I hate to see is that this, I have a theory. And it's the better engineer you are, the harder the exam is for you. Because the best engineers will double, triple, quadruple check. And they'll try to solve it a hundred different ways to say if they get the same answer a hundred different times. And I'm like, okay, listen, that's what makes you a fabulous engineer. You're incredibly stubborn. You won't let go. You're not gonna get up even if it takes you eight hours to figure out the same thing. Amazing engineers. But that test, this test punishes that behavior completely. Right. And so what I do is I call it the caveman system as I just give them. It's like the equivalent of PymDos, which in algebra, it's, please excuse my Darren Salier, whatever, where you do parentheses, exponents, multiplication, division, addition, subtraction, it's the same thing. Where, you know, we just look at every problem the same way. Just because we don't need to reinvent the wheel a hundred and ten times in six hours. That's, no. Your brain's gonna be toast by question 50. Right. Oh, you're only gonna get to question 10. You don't need help enough how it's good because you don't an edge. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's so real. It's so real. Oh, my gosh. Performance technology is really real. So real. Especially, yeah, as you say, if you have all the knowledge, my system's like, I have all this stuff that I want to get out and showcase house money. Yeah. And how much I know and how much I want this and how much I've worked for this. And that's the thing that I, that just like breaks my heart, too, is these people are so smart. And the industry, like the test prep industry, is convinced them, oh, if you don't pass, it's because you're not smart enough. You need to buy this, you know, a 300 hour course. And if you fail again, it's because you didn't study hard. You got to, and I'm like, no, here's the deal. If you were conscious and at least half of your classes, meaning like you get the big ideas, concrete is for compression, you know, you know, how to like look at circuits, if you're an electrical engineer, you remember the gist of calculus, right? You've got enough knowledge in your head to pass. Like you need to remember the top 20% points from your entire, you know, enough to pass. And so I just, that's the caveman system just allows them to use the knowledge that they have in an effective way, rather than like literally being a gigantic megabrain and, and relearning your old degree. And, and that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah. That's really, really, really interesting. of them that came to mind to me like from a sales perspective. it literally is that whole notion that I don't know if it's anxiety cells but you know with social media there's to be stay on longer when we stay on social media longer when we feel like the certain feel emotional feeling right and so a lot of the stories have like just got the ones that we don't want like a disaster we we stay on longer we go we hear a really wholesome message which is why social media is a little bit topsy I should take away a little bit yeah yeah but it sounds like the industry is kind of taking a theatrical sales strategy which actually kind of like keeps that person as a customer as opposed to going no actually let's build it up because you actually have to do this yeah it it some of them not everybody right but some of them are running kind of some cynical traps yeah well I heard all of the people they're a little bit nervous find you it's done yeah well in in two the narrative is so pervasive like you didn't grind your eyeballs out hard enough in shame on you with thousand more problems for you it's so pervasive that some people that I talk to are like I don't want shortcuts because or I don't I don't want a system because I feel like I need to earn it and I'm not good enough if I don't do it the hard way like dude you already did the hard thing you graduated which if you graduate with an engineering degree I mean she's always I went gray in college I'm serious it's it's it's not an easy thing to do so if you can graduate you've got plenty plenty of knowledge but they've heard that narrative for so long that when someone's like actually you can be done in 48 hours they're like I don't know too good to be true no like well actually have you met all of my old people like yeah that's a great year you're full my like students so customers of mentees they're probably your biggest advocates mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah which is really cool I love that and I just show you here are their stories like for me with my shirts I love hearing where they are they're doing what show they not yeah how they're enjoying life yeah they'll be like oh I'm not even doing that anymore I'm doing some random crazy thing that's awesome I just remember I mean I've been teaching for a while we started out in outjunct our junk they actually started out working as like professional staff in student service in the university in Australia and some of the students I worked with a lot of students there and it was always really fascinating to me because you really couldn't pick it I yeah I just remember I had a couple of a couple of students so one of them was a war student and he was adamant that he was just going to be a warrior for the rest of his life he was he was very intelligent then he was just like one truck mind like he seems legit mm-hmm truck mind of this yeah like okay um he's gonna be a warrior I'm gonna start seeing him on like you know the high court yeah this time and then I ran into him not even five years after he graduated and he was running enough for profit that helped engage senior citizens back in society I love that I love that I was like my hat like tell me yeah tell me the story yeah yeah sorry uh and he goes I just realized like I didn't want to sell myself for the rest of my life and being a warrior and doing the six minute hour like six hours well whatever it is every six minutes yeah yeah wasn't fun yeah yeah yeah so I just decided this is what I want to do and then on the other side I had another student as a female student who was at the time in turning for Goldman's dad wow um and her she was adamant that she was going into corporate for two years to like earn to money mm-hmm and to like you know get experience and then she was going off to change the world yeah she's still a girl it's good for her 15 years later yeah so it's like your path can change right yeah I I always find I don't know if you you've experienced this as well my students say that they during understanding their purpose because it's not clear mm-hmm it really is just like a fuzzy feeling this is fun and I get so much joy for this yeah I need keep following that feeling that you want to have and that what you want to be and as long as you do that I think it kind of works out for you yeah 100% and things like the oldest grandchild on both sides and so all of my little cousins are like how I do what you did and the thing I always tell people is whatever opportunity is in front of you absolutely snatch it and do the best that you can like I mean going back to the horse thing like this is this is so long ago that nobody can get in trouble legally for this but we can they can we can cut it out okay okay but I mean like I was like running the barn at 12 you know and I got paid every two weeks and was responsible for scheduling all the horses like shoes and vet appointments and making sure the feed was always there and the hay and the shavings and you know riding the horse at like everything right and because like you would think that was so silly but because they got really good at that it gave me skills to be really good at other things later yeah yeah no my child labor but yeah short I know regrets if I could go back I'd do it at eight right yeah yeah so anyway I don't want to skills and it probably wasn't a hefty no I think that's the key difference it was I you probably enjoyed it you haven't after you are a clear and entrepreneur now so it was in the in the blood so this being and you just had the opportunity to practice those skills early yeah and in real in a real impactful way I I used to be a part of an organization called Club Kid Prana where we it's cool to look really young kids like probably from eight to 12 it's awesome like starting or they're in business which is really fun but they're all like they want legit business yeah of course make some crops and sell them in a market like yeah yeah anything but you would literally doing it which is amazing and I think maybe I mean I don't I'm not advocating for child labor at all that's a great it's great great but not advocating for child labor but if we have an aptitude something feed it while we're excited about it no because it's not enough to come to have to do a lot when we do something like that yeah and that's the thing is like it I would never advise anyone to get good at being a doctor or an engineer or a rock star or whatever just because there's money involved they'll just be like whatever you like is that's what you need to do I don't want to say follow your passion but when you're when you're younger when you just get really really into something you learn so many different skills and life lessons from it that you can take forward with you so my question was going to be are you putting the lots of wisdom but you just nailed it you just ripped my mind and did thanks thanks but anything else like what do you have some big plans for the future you're just following the the the feeling and any big plans for the future so I would like to get to a point where I help way more people way more often so um and and I would do that in two different ways so I think I'm not sure I think it would like to start teaching groups so the ultimate goal would be going around to different engineering schools and just you know giving a talk for a day or two to the engineering students like hey your professors have done an amazing job at training you to be an engineer this is the first multiple choice test you have ever seen in four years you completely don't even know how to play the test game ever because you haven't done this since the ACT or the SATs or whatever like you have all of the knowledge that you need but let me show you how to play the cards in order to pass because if I could talk to those kids I wouldn't have to and I don't want to say have to but I could save some people from being that person that's taken it four five six seven eight times because I mean it really weighs on their sense of self and they're like oh my gosh like I'm an engineer how can I not pass this stupid test like and it's like no like you can you just like play the cards this way not the way you even do it yeah there's a little bit of a tweak here that we need to make yeah yeah yeah and it really is showing up as yourself right a trusting in you are the knowledge that you have already injected into your brain in the four years that you've been a college yeah and doing the best you can in the moment to manage which really does in a way mimic life in a really good way because it's a multiple choice test exactly yeah sorry yeah i've never got it that way before but you're so right yeah that's so amazing i'm so excited to see how good it is i'm very glad that we met yeah we do crazy we ran away Okay, time's out, now we go. (laughs) I'm sure it'll be the first really gatherings. - Yes. - And thank you so much for sharing your story and sharing your wisdom with us. - Thank you, thank you, thanks for having me. - Bye. - I really hope you enjoyed that conversation and learning a bit more about Brianna and what she does. As you all know, I am a teacher and I love my students and I love when they hit milestones and achieve successes and I get so excited about it. And one of the things I love about Bri is she is exactly the same way. She gets so pumped when her students win and when the people that she is working with win and I think that is phenomenal. So I love what you do Brianna. Thanks so much for sharing your positivity and what you're building and working on. If anybody is having to take the fee exam, I personally am not an engineer so I have no idea about that. But Brianna's website is feemadeeasy.com. So feel free to reach out to her and I will put that link in the notes for this week's episode. Thanks everybody for listening and I will see you next week. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)