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Hello and welcome to the Stompcast, Me, Dr Alex George. This is the podcast where I go for a walk with a guest and take a little wander into their life. Now, this episode I want to share with you today is actually a throwback episode from 2022 actually a few years ago. And it's an episode that is incredibly important to me because it changed my life hugely. It's an episode where when I recorded it on this sunny, gorgeous day in a park in London, walking with Doddletee, I realized I needed to go and get assessed for ADHD. It was one of those moments in life where there's like a light bulb. Even during the recording itself, you'll hear me kind of being kind of like hang on. I need to probably look into this. And honestly, this conversation that I had with Doddletee was genuinely a tipping point for me. And it changed my life in Sony ways. I stopped drinking alcohol. I realized obviously that I had ADHD. I started making changes to my life. I started implementing things that really helped me. People understood me better. Honestly, it's just one of those days, I guess, that I'm very grateful for because the benefits or I guess the outcome, the knock on effect is something that I'm still living with today in a good way. So I really am excited to share this episode with you. I know it was an early days, stompcast episode, but one I think that can really help people. Whether you're someone that thinks they have ADHD or thinks they're near a divergent, this can really help people build and understanding themselves. It's also a really powerful story about his life. He's been very candid with me, sharing the highs and the lows and the changes he's made. So I think regardless whether you think you have ADHD or not, I think this is an episode that can really help you. It was an amazing record for sure and he's a great chap. So enjoy this, have a listen to this throwback episode of the stompcast. Hello and welcome to the stompcast, the me, Dr Alex George. This is the podcast where I go for a stomp with a guest to take a little meander into their life. Today I'm speaking to music producer and DJ Toddler T. For 11 years, Toddler T presented his BBC Radio 1 and One Extra Radio show, which showcased a playlist consisting of carnival, drum and bass and dancehall music. A blend of genres that are often reflected in his own music, which also contain electronic sounds. In 2020, Toddler T hung up his headphones at the BBC to focus more on being a producer and the father to his two sons, that he shares with DJ Annie Mack. More recently, Toddler T. has spoken candidly about his adult diagnosis of ADHD, attention deficit, high productivity disorder and his sobriety, both of which will touch upon in more detail today, as well as his new album, which contains a collection of tracks produced with notable artists. T, thank you so much for joining me. It's a joy, bro. Where are we? Queen's Park in the belly of West London. In the belly of West London, I love that. And why are we here? What does this place mean to you? It's funny because I live about five minutes that way. Obviously you can't see if you're hearing, but you get the gist. And I used to live five minutes that way. And until I had children, I didn't even notice this park. Yeah. It was really interested. And then when I had me first born, I was in here every day. So it's funny because parks in general before my kids were just like some. I'd walked past them ahead in the fall and now they're like part of my daily life or weekly life. And then obviously, as life progressed and we went into the old lockdown, this was like a safe haven for running and, you know, being allowed out and things like that. But yeah, I'm here a lot. So this is kind of like part of the community I live in, I guess. That's fascinating. So when you're young, you didn't see it as a place you wanted to be, but now, I guess there's a lot of memories for you with your children and. Yeah, absolutely. you've been in. So when you're here, like, does it help? Is it nostalgia? Is it calming? What does it do you see? I think it's. I wouldn't say it's nostalgia yet. I'm sure it will be when I don't come anymore because the kids are like. It's stuck in the bedroom or like, you know, gone to you and you or whatever. Yeah, exactly. But right now, I guess it's just. It's a place that I come as often as I would maybe get the tube or I would, you know, go to the shop and things like that. So I guess it's in the moment. But already, I guess there is an element in the nostalgia because the sand pit were about to walk past. I don't go in anymore because my kids are too big and I look at it and I think. Oh! I remember them days. starting that bench and, you know what I mean? So, but yeah, I mean, I think in London in particular, which is so hyper. kind of like immersive and hyper kind of over. stimulating at times just to come off the high street and come to feel like this. It's pretty magic to be honest. And we're really lucky to have it in this community. And I think going to other places in London where they don't have this privilege, you realise how joyful it is to be here. I think it's interesting because London is often seen as a place that's all concrete and there's no spaces. And how do I get aside and how do I join nature. But actually, very much even in London, there were these parks, even if they're small ones. There was always a bit of nature you can find around. You just could have kind of looked for it. Absolutely. Just step outside and look. I thought we were going to talk about it a little bit later. I have diagnosed with anxiety and I know you've talked very publicly about anxiety as well. And one of the ways of dealing with anxiety is the five senses technique. Right. I haven't. And as on the nose is you're describing, so I'd be interested to know about that. Well, I suspect it's something you use in many different ways. But I mean, so the five senses essentially, so you can use touch, touch, taste, smell, sight and hearing. I believe it's one senses, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of like when you're feeling really anxious and you're in a state of like, oh my gosh. Yeah. You know that feeling. Very well. It's a very well. It's a great way of grounding yourself essentially. So I thought, you know, it's a great way to describe where we are as well. So she goes through it like, what should we do? So let's start with the difficult one. Taste. Well, there's an absence of exhaust fumes in this park. I've just done a nice coffee song full of coffee bean, which is a beautiful sensation. Well, come on to your toolkit for stomping shortly, sir. Yes, sir. But okay, so there's no. For me, there's no taste of bus fumes, which can be a little taste. Right. Smell. I could smell. I could just grass in it, just like a. Yeah, rather than like again, an exhaust fume. So. It's always a plus as a zacker. So you can smell the grass. Yes, sir. What can we hear? Children. Children. You can hear the wind through the leaves, which is. unless you stop and actually do it, it's just white noise, but it's actually the sound of the nature, which is amazing. So nice, isn't it, too? Yeah, I think it really relaxes. And even children playing, there's something psychological. When you can hear children happy and laughing, there's something in our subconscious. It really, really helps calm us. And the same reason, you know, when you hear babies crying, everyone hates that sound, because it's like, crime or things. It's like something's wrong. Yeah, I mean, and as a parent, you'll know that. Yeah, absolutely. I think we're kids. It's like, you know when, like, kids are. I don't know when consciousness really kicks it. I'm just kind of starting to see it with my nine-year-old. And by consciousness, I mean, like, I guess, awareness of fashion and attitude and, you know, being, quote, unquote, cool and all that. But it doesn't really happen for a long time, and it's beautiful. Yeah. And I think you hear that when you just hear children, because you just hear, enjoying no barrier and freedom and just, you know what I'm saying? There's no, like, we're not putting our marks, society's not stamping on them yet. Exactly. They're still free before the system gets to. You know what I'm saying? Like, in terms of what they feel like they should have to be, rather than who they actually are. And that's when you hear that. I feel like we subconsciously go, "Oh, that's beautiful." Yeah, it is, isn't it? And then I guess another sensation, so touch. Yeah. I feel a bit of wind on my face, can you? Yeah, it's a bit of wind. I've got a vest on today. I've got my guns out. I've got your guns out. Yeah, I can feel the grass, the lovely sense of grass. Because it's such a hot day here, when the clouds come over from over, it's such a hot day, though, that all the grass is getting scorched. Yeah, it's like spain or something. It's like hay fields or something. Have we got. What sense have you been hearing? Touch, taste, smell, sight. Oh, yeah. So you've kind of done sight. Well, what can we see around us? Obviously, a lot of the hibis, jackets of the young children. Yeah, they look like they're going in a scorch. You've probably been doing sports there. I think they're stomping, actually. They're stomping. They're stomping. We've got about 15 little stompers. The young generation are way above us all this kind of stuff. There's lots of them. You know, one of the interesting things when you walk round London, I don't know what you, but you look down your phone, you look down. When you stop and look up, it's amazing. You can actually, when you lift your head above the horizon, it seems so much like it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I actually, we could go into it deeper later, but I studied a bit of mindfulness with an amazing coach. And she said to me, one technique, which isn't the whole like, you know, going to a room and, you know, be left alone. And it's like, just when you walk around, put your phone in your pocket, take your ear boards out and just have a look. Yeah. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's amazing what you see. And if you actually zoom into nature, it's all around us and it's really calming. And you can find nature as a sudden, even in places in the city, there's so much nature around you. You've just got to kind of, they say, get off your phone and look up and just like, just see it and just, because we're living in this kind of like reward and, you know, dopamine life. Yeah, man. I'm alive. I'm kind of appreciative. Well, I enjoyed doing this five cents. I already feel a bit calmer from that. Yeah, yeah, it's a vibe. Now I'd love to chat to you speaking of one of the things that calms me. Yeah. And I know you've talked about, so it's music. It's amazing. People find it across all cultures of the world, whatever genres, the types of music. Music is embedded in cultures and helps people kind of relax. You are at the moment working on a new project, release moon music, right? What is it that you're working on? So basically, I guess I started as a DJ and a producer and then I'm a radio broadcast star and got a very long story short. I decided that about four years ago that I was my best self and the happiest self, not doing everything in the world that I thought I had to do. I guess the word success comes into play here because people say, oh, you're so successful, you do radio, you do waves, you're, you know, you have a family, you do, and it's like, great but actually it was all a bit much and it looked sexy on Instagram I'm sure but the reality was it was a bit overwhelming in terms of like my mental capacity and a few things happened that made me think actually I need to strip this down and just concentrate on one thing and do it really well and that was producing music and by producing music I don't even mean for myself I mean for other people so you produced for some of the biggest artists from all sorts of different kind of I guess genres and crossing different genres do you find that creativity now and I guess as you talked earlier but used to do a lot kind of DJing and gigs and stuff do you find that kind of focusing on the production element is that more it's a cathartic the word I don't really know is that do you enjoy that more is that more immersive or more grounding I think there's a few reasons why I think like I've come to an age and a place of experience where I feel like it sounds weird but like I kind of felt like I are lagging a bit on radio and in the clubs but with production I feel like I've studied it for so long now in terms of like being in the studio I feel confident there and I feel like I'm worthy that makes you more than worthy of being able to be fair and also I'm getting older bro I'm 37 and I love youth culture and I love young music and I love young people do you know what I mean they're they're they're everything to me they're the future they're the the most creative they're the most progressive blah blah blah but I'm 37 by them great like I can't be jumping on stage I'm carrying it well mate don't worry I'm definitely can jump on stage I come on my bro I pull my cart and he's right I bow tucked soon forward yeah all of that now I don't decide though but I feel like in the studio I have a place and when a young guy it's come to me I'm the quote unquote elder and I can guide their vision and I don't feel like a fraud and I feel you're passing your knowledge and yeah like I because you go when you're young you're full of energy for ideas but like you obviously got like experience yeah well why don't we just channel it exactly and I feel like I'm going grow old in that space without feeling like a donut and again it's partly to do with insecurities because some people hold down the kind of like you know I'm young forever external thing really well but for me I just feel comfy there so and it's a joy bro because like you know what it is as well like I've done radio I've done raves I've been the artist I've done shows and I've seen quote unquote artists in all these scenarios yeah but when you come in a room with me and maybe a songwriter or whatever all the armors left at the door yeah because it's really human and it's everyone's naive I am he is she is doesn't matter if you're a list or you're just starting when you get in that room or all equal and I feel like that experience is really really special so I love that part of it as well pop star can come in the room that ain't even on radio last week and that's actually the self today whereas last week they naturally had to put on the armor you understand I see what you mean it's almost like you kind of because you're in that space of like it's raw creation yeah you have to be yourself because this is your this is your art doesn't it's your art? exactly you've got your layers of like who am I speaking to exactly what am I trying to tell you what's the air you go exactly like right this is me yeah this this is John not MC whoever yeah yeah yeah and it's a beautiful thing to be able to experience and also just like be part of their thing right from the start because ultimately the song is what creates the next part of their journey whether that be a hit song or not you know they'll play it first of all they might et cetera et cetera so it's such an amazing place to be man do you get emotional when you're doing it when you're kind of recording when you produce is it did you kind of get oh my gosh I feel a bit overcome by this or are you quite calm with all that I'm not calm I get really excited because I feel like music all my life has been a sort of thing that has touched my emotions for the positive from as long as I can remember and when I'm hearing something new I can't help but be excited by it you know so if I'm hearing someone do certain brilliant or even rubbish it doesn't really matter and rubbish is such a subjective term anyway because I'm I'm hearing pure new art form for the first time with someone stood six foot away from me it's like I can't help but get excited by it so it's always it's always fun yeah I mean it sounds you well you're also passionate it feels and I'm here to say this many ways and different forms where the music gives you such a purpose doesn't it's like completely focused in life and yeah I wrote my book live while every day in the first chapters all about purpose because I believe without purpose everything else kind of falls apart right do you find that music few has it been that throughout your life is that the constant or you kind of fall in and out of love with it or has it always been that kind of best friend yeah it's mad because best mate is the right word and you know my relationship with my wife who's also and he's a best mate as well yeah yeah yeah and he's missing and he don't worry yeah yeah and like the best best mate yeah yeah best is best is best and then all my friends pretty much sort of come through music really and but even when I've gone through like rough times I've always managed to do music so even if I've been like super anxious or like super like not believing in anything I always go back and no matter how rough I feel I go studio whereas other things feel like a huge challenge that I always managed to get there you get what I say so yeah it's been a glue on my life a hundred percent and I think it will be for the rest and it sounds you kind of alluded there that isn't things that you feel at your purpose even if you love them and enjoy them so much not always easy as it doesn't mean it's yeah of course sometimes yeah the things you love the most enjoy the most the hardest yeah I think with me yeah the music quote unquote industry is like the vided very heavily so you have people in the studios or you know in the writing rooms or whatever which are like she is like the artist and then you have the other side of the desk which is the quote unquote business and they're very different in you know the people naturally in either side I seem to have a particular character trait not always and the you know the the kind of sensitivity of one side to the other and you know what I mean it's like artists are like you know throwing things out very colorful very love very sensitive very passionate and then the other side it can often feel like that thing that you've just made with all this emotion and vulnerability turns into a quote unquote product that that person the other side of the desk can sometimes treat like a flipping you know a rubber band or a tire for a car like it becomes a product instantly no emotion and what it seems to happen and it's one thing that definitely happened to me or my career is the other side of the desk is so different to the place I'm at it's that side that gives me the fear but also that part is like that's the bit that stresses me out okay never the studio so it's a kind of the product and I guess that I would want to just ask you about this because as someone that's been in and you've you pretty much seen it all in the last 20 years or so whatever yeah I do worry for young artists coming through now because from the outside and I see a lot of the social media side that's kind of where my background is it feels like you know these young artists coming through at 1719 sometimes really young yeah and a chucked on a massive not just stages but massive audiences yeah everything is seen everything is shared everything is caught online you can't yeah it feels like the especially with kind of cancel culture as it is at the moment like is it do you think that the pressure has changed them is it is it a more different environment to come out and do you think I think it's it's like anything that's posing kind of it all right but I feel like for me as someone who came for a different era you could kind of do you think and you know sometimes things were more successful than others and what that but it wasn't as like transparent so now everything's numbers right yeah YouTube views like like no tick tock now tick tock music is chaos so and everyone perceives again quote unquote success as a number so if somebody doing well you're on numbers it's failed which I don't believe because you know it might not do madness but it might have got to the right audience that now we'll come to the show or whatever however the surveillance aspect of it I think he's super tough for young people man yeah I can't imagine that as a comment at the moment what I worry is that especially and I talk about this for like I really worry about cancel culture because you're what you're saying to young people is you can't make mistakes you can't really come to the wrong yeah and then actually I believe we should be liberal but it's but not to the point where we're saying you can't ask questions you can't make mistakes you can't you know you've got to allow people to fail yeah recognize and take responsibility apologize we're appropriate and then move forward yeah so people up you know for somebody to do this 16-17 when they're learning yeah you know if you followed me around with the camera 24/7 I mean they say stuff that people are not gonna agree with that's not life that's not real life you've got to allow people to to learn and I hope that you know as we I think we are kind of backlashing against cancel culture but I think for people in the expression in an industry of expression which music is yeah to allow people to express freely without you know absolutely I'm down as soon as you think oh I don't agree with that let's let's drag that person I agree I mean it's the lack of conversation isn't it really it's more like yes no yes no yes canceled no cancel cut like a conversation on digital platforms if you're really strict on people it breathes ignorance because people are too afraid to and we end the way that you combat ignorance whether it's in in an important combating racism combating sexism which all we all want to achieve you've got to allow people to ask questions yeah what's this what's that how do you understand that yeah I was so afraid of asking a question yeah you're just gonna have people who don't understand exactly and also potentially the rise of you know very extreme views of because people maybe respect the fact that that person is not scared to say something really out there to get what I'm saying so like this whole Trump thing you know it's like he said that amazing I don't really put yeah I'm with it and all of a sudden it becomes blown up in this view that's extreme that we don't agree with that becomes a central view absolutely the people who are actually saying the things they're in the middle ground or afraid yeah totally it's mad I think I think this cancel thing will chill out because it got berserk people are going this is bullshit and now hopefully it'll turn down look I'm I'm with someone who if someone says something that I've I think he's totally out of line. I will tell him about it to the phrase. He's getting on saying, but-- - Let's move on. - Keep it moving. But I don't think people can publicly keep me making mistakes and be written out of culture for much longer because it's nonsense. - Well, it'd be no one left. - Yeah, exactly. I'm done out here, bro. - Let's move it back to the stomping. 'Cause I want to ask you, what is in your stomping toolkit? What are three things that when you go out for stomping, do you need it? Whether it's from music to people to archums? - What I try and do if I go through a walk is like trying to murder myself in the actual walk because what I used to do is I just mentioned was plug in. Where, yeah, I'm working, but I'm really still plugged in. So I used to step my board to my phone and all that. And now what I would try to do is leave them all out. Oh, well, actually look at things. And we just said the sensors, like Avaganda, Lava Lock, Avasamal, maybe look someone in the eye. - Yeah, imagine that. - Yeah. - And London especially. - What? - Eye contact. - Cancel for that, surely. - Yeah, bro. Say hi. - Yeah, bro. - I just try and murder myself in the walk. So I don't think I have a necessary kit. Even like after school job, yeah, I saw where I do school job and I go straight to my studio. I used to plug in then, instantly. And since kind of like trying to kind of tweak things in my life, I've stopped doing that and just kind of look around and look up. Yeah, it's just, if anything, I took things out my stomachs. I love that. They're the first person to say that. And I actually, like, you kind of tripping it back to the raw experience of like, I'm in nature. I'm here, look, listen, feel. - Yeah, it's literally, yeah. And the fingers, I feel like people think, and I was definitely the same, that that has to be like, right, let's drive to the countryside and get out of the car and, no, I mean, you could just fit it into your little bits. For example, there's a canal that runs parallel with a road on the way to my studio. And so, I've been having a truck myself down there and just walked by the water and tried to do that there. It's not putting any time out of my day. It's just a bit of a tweak that makes it what we're talking about. - When you look back, you think, Toddler T, 10 years, 15 years ago, and you said, "Oh, do you know what, I'm out stomping." And I'm like, "Yeah, would you believe it?" - No, that's all, bro. Like, literally, the idea of that was just like, hideous. So, do you think being an nature and enjoying nature can become cool? 'Cause that's really what we want. 'Cause it'd be nice if we didn't create it, if people would. I think there is a movement towards that. 100%. - People just to enjoy it, 'cause like, you know, everything's going on with climate change. - Yeah. - We need to appreciate nature. 'Cause we don't have long enough to have it for. - Absolutely. - You know, what's some other of my kids, yeah? Like, they, things like, you know, cutting down trees, wearing certain materials on their clothes in, you know, eating meat is genuinely not cool. - Yeah. - But I don't mean like, "Oh, that's not cool." They think it's whack, bro. Like, we thought like, "Oh, they'll count down." But you know what I'm saying? Like, they're like, on that. Like, my kid, he's like, "It stopped eating meat my youngest." He's like, "That's her in nature." Like, for him, that's just whack. Like, I think that is incredible, because it's genuinely his opinion. It's not something that's necessarily his pretending to be. He's five, bro. He's not trying to be anything other than himself. And I think that gen, which we all can learn, I've already, will probably have that as a trend with that, even being trendy because it's just, how they're gonna live. - Well, the thing is, and we're not doing similar in age. I mean, when we're younger, do you remember when they start to talk about recycling, like, "Oh, kids don't recycle, they won't kill." - Yeah, yeah. - We'll go now and tell him parents. - Yeah, exactly. - So, we're like, "This is the kids, this is how the parents are." So, we always underestimate the youth. - And I guess, I've given them what you do and work with young people building music. I'm certain that you don't, but I think a lot of people do just kind of, not giving the credit to deserve. - Absolutely. - Young people learn quickly, they can take on good habits, they can make moral decisions based on their own understanding. So, actually, in many ways, they're knocking us out of that bad habits. - Absolutely. I have a very look-assisted in my life, where I work with people from 16 to 60, and it's fascinating to have conversation, because you can learn a lot of all types of people for different things like, I lean into that, speaking to the kids. - Yeah, that's kind of chillin', you know? Which one is there? - Oh, you know what, I don't mind, you know. - I feel like that frequency is designed to pierce. - Yes. - So that we do that, and then the mother or father, actually, attends. - It's a nature thing. - Yeah, it's a core. - It's a core. - Exactly, it hurts for a reason. - Yeah. - Anyway, passion planes. - Oh mate, yeah. But, you know what, I think, on the plane thing, sorry, to take a side of that. - Let's go, I'll let us know. - We've all been that child. So, when someone's on a plane, you can't even take enough of that, a baby. You're kicking off of yourself, bro. - No, what I, do you know what I do, though? Well, I don't, there's not the baby, I feel bad for the parents, 'cause you know the parents can get a friend. You're like, do you know what, we're all cool here. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. - I'm having a G&T, I'm like, (laughing) I'm not a problem, I'm fun, my head puns, anyway. - No, good. - Watching a good old classic film. - Absolutely, and it's fine. - Sorry, back on course, I speak to a lot of people from, you know, this is younger than 16 to 16, is older than 16 to 17, to 17 to 17, whatever. And I learn, and the elders give me wisdom and whatnot, but the youngest teach me more than anyone, 100%. - That's fascinating. - And that's why I get frustrated with society, in general, almost looking down on the loan, but also just disregarding their opinion. - Well, I think with Matt and we're gonna talk about this in a moment, actually, this is a lovely segue, but with mental health, we need to listen to young people, because they are the only people that knows what it's like to be young now. - Yeah, right. - When young 20 years ago was the same. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's not, it's now completely different world. And in 10 years time, it'll be another completely different world. - Yeah, yeah. - They are the experts. Everyone else is trying to decipher what we do best with their expertise. That's the right, I see it. - Absolutely. - Thank you so much for listening to part one of this episode of me and Todd Lattee in Queens Park. If you're not finished stomping yet, make sure you go and listen to part two now, or come back to catch up on tomorrow's stop. See you soon.