Prospect Debates, Do Not Drafts, & Rookie Draft Strategies: Going Deep with Brandon Angelo & Matt Waldman 5.6.26

All right welcome to go in deep Brandon Angelo Mount Waldman Brandon is done with his draft guy Brandon tell everybody about your draft God. I am to find it is cool man. I know I appreciate it Lot went into it mean Then a lot of fun trying to create something little different each year I tried to do something a little bit different in terms of you know how I tear grade when I add but this year I want to make it a little more bookish where we have chapters chapters are different um and then kind of adding chapters as the draft season goes on letting the people who listen and read everything that I do vote on the chapters That's a unique one where you can kind of vote on things that are going to go into the next iteration The next chapter and I think the next chapter has been voted on. I mean least is leading in votes It's going to be no the top eight players in the 2027 draft um, which is going to be a lot of fun. Are you Have dove into that class a bit so I'll be a little bit of fun to do but But yeah, you can find everything on angel analysis.com man. I mean It's been a lot of fun creating that have an offensive and environment index and Matt and I were just talking about that before the show essentially just a fantasy lens of What an offense looks like and how many playmakers they can actually produce from a fantasy perspective And then what that looks like going forward like there are some offenses that are just absolutely putrid like the raiders and the jets Are they getting it better the raiders look to improve will they be you know a middle tier team probably not next year But they'll be creeping up there with Fernando Mendoza and Kubey acting all those sweeping changes the jets more so while they're they're in trouble in the near term But that was a lot of fun to put together and in to do for sure fantastic well You know folks definitely want to check it out that and offensive on environment index is going to be very cool Um, and we're going to talk a little bit more about that probably As we get into some of the topics today because we're going to talk about Players we disagree on and make cases for each Um also players that are on our do not draft lists for 2026 And then we're going to talk about you know some viable strategies For drafts this rookie drafts this year and then maybe um Tears in terms of like how we rank players What tears in the terms of the range of of picks are overrated or underrated in rookie drafts right now So a little strategy a little player evaluation Should be fun. So all right. Let's start off with players we disagree on I think the one that was mentioned the most as an example to us on x was the john stripling. Yeah, so you know stripling Um Stribbling I have lower than brand and I have stripling at 32 which is at the You know mid to end of the third round depending on how many people you you're drafting Brandon you have them at the Beginning of the second round. Is that correct? Yeah two or three is where I have stripling. Yep. Well, let's make your case You know, yeah, no for me. I think he just kind of fits what I'll want to do offensively You kind of look at what Brandon I yuked it well especially from an in-breaker standpoint and being able to To win the ball through contact That's what stripling can provide and also the post catch stuff right? I think he's a pretty linear driven Mover, but he's a really tough out post catch being we're talking physical combative As a blocker and as a playmaker with the ball in his hands and that makes a big difference And that's the one thing too from a durability perspective that Kyle hasn't had I mean they really haven't had A thousand yard receiver since i yuk right i mean they've had kittles obviously these kittles approaching 33 and Has come off in a kill ease Mike Evans is a great secondary piece of this stage in his career But besides Evan's in capri really i don't know where they're going to get true Third-share production to start Joanne Jennings is likely going to find another team and it's highly likely at this point even as a free agent But stripling is going to provide a lot in 12 personnel and that's the one thing i think it's important is rookies That are going to see the field immediately have a better long-term shot than rookies that For six seven eight weeks right stripling to ability to be a really profound piece in the run game Is you can be really important if he catches on quickly What they're asking him to do in that regard? I think he can be have some pretty good stain power especially over rookie pier saw Which i think ricky pier saw is going to move more into a slot role um And be on the field last i think a from a durability standpoint that might help him and be i don't think He is going to be able to handle the rigors of the blocking role that's it can be expected of him in in 12 personnel And especially in heavier sense. So i think that's interesting I mean the four-niers and have a single receiver over 650 art i mean they have a big vacancy In terms of a productive over the middle target now that Jennings is is likely gone and in kittle we don't know when or if he's gonna be back and if he does come back how How much of George's kettle are we getting it 33 coming off and kill these so i think stripling Collegiately played really well When you look at The tape when you did in the college football playoff go watch the game against George if you're not familiar Fairly dominant. I think he's a little bit raw in terms of running a fuller tree But he's grand in breakers and he's a better than you think release skill set Unverical patterns and you can get on top of defensive backs pretty quickly. He's a good accelerator great long speed Um, but i think he's someone that you know The NFL was a lot higher on the draft community and i think that was Telling from you know Albert Breer and a lot of the others Um the draft Nick's kind of coming out and saying yeah the nine years were moving that pick is that was think that that has been their guide Um, but also a lot of teams thought that way too So whenever i mean you kind of get those tea leaves coming through you can kind of tell A lot of teams had a role for stripling and i think that's a big sign of hey like this guy can actually be something Good offensive mind good quarterback play um And some staying power there in the NFC Well, I think it's a good argument. So let's let me try and poke a couple holes in it just to see you know Test to see worthiness of this a little bit because i think you made a really good point to talk about The role that he plays and that he what he does well I would agree with you. He's the i thought he was the best blocker of the wide receivers in this class um, so that makes total sense that he would be an asset in 12 and that he'd also be an asset in 12 due to 12 personnel I'm in due to in breakers and and what he can also do in the vertical game But my question and you you were you made a great argument to bring up also What where he's still got to learn which is the full of route tree still got to do so You know, we bring up Brandon i yuk and i remember it took Brandon i yuk a couple years to get rolling because he needed to learn the route tree And back in those days with a number of the wide receivers that they had in San Francisco That seemed like that Kyle Shanahan wanted the receivers to run all three roles or to do yeah To be able to do that and it seems like everybody's had a little bit of a slower time Doing that even juan Jennings needed your three to actually get to speed with that so my question for you is Is there because there's more 12 personnel is that the reason why you're a little more optimistic because you think Maybe they're changing their mind on how much these guys need to run from a route perspective or what's Where what's your thoughts on the prospect of Kyle going? Yeah, I mean we really like him But I got to put him through his Paces with the education that I gave everybody else and does that slow him down? Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think it's a little different in terms of like Kind of the clothies cut from in a way right when you Look at Brenn i yuk was always a raw prospect from a both Like how I yuk saw the game and how he played Um, a lot of passion obviously, but there was always even early in his career members first camp like Kyle kicked my camp Like and because he refused to listen and there's been multiple instances and the 49ers media where they're like yeah Like he's not coming along because he and Kyle aren't seeing eye to eye maybe you should have kicked Dante pedestal to camp Oh my gosh former bear by the way, yeah um But yeah, I mean it's that's the thing. I think there's gonna be a immediate role for struggling What Kyle does in terms of having these guys learn roles in terms of multiples That's the interesting part because are you gonna have Mike Evans learn all three right Ricky Pierce saw are you gonna put him where he's comfortable in them fly or you're gonna have him learn multiples as well and that's the thing is I'm going to play more on a 12 and 13. What does that look like with George Kiddell now? That's the thing too, is you might be stronger in 11 in some ways. George Kiddell is on the men, but also maybe not because if you want to run the ball with greater efficiency, they didn't do well last year. I know Christian McCaffrey put up crazy fantasy numbers, but they were really inefficient Russian offense. They're going to need better blocking on the perimeter as well. That's going to be something that endures Kyle to struggling and wanting him on the field. That's a massive difference between struggling blocking and murky personal. I think that's a huge one, but yeah, I think the answer to your question is what's going to make the rushing offense more efficient? I think that's the first question Kyle is going to want to answer. What's going to help us run the ball better? If you want to win games in the NFC, we're at the ball. That's a no-brainer. Christian is going to have to get going. That's a big one. I think that's the first thing that the question that's going to be asked is how can we help the run game and I think struggling is a big part of that. I would agree. I think that if, though, if we need to sign of the apocalypse, that it's not going to happen, it's Kyle, he's checked being on the field a lot more and two tight end sets and making it a 22 personnel set as opposed to a 12 personnel set. That would be the sign of the apocalypse for year one. Definitely would be. I'll be interested to see how they utilize you check this year as well because I think you're going to see, I mean, he's such a bright guy. You can see a lot of that rotational tight end play in there as well, where you have Tongue is two. He showed up pretty good. Yeah, he's not that player that's on right. I mean, you can run a lot with you checking, splitting them out and getting really creative in terms of how he is using the run game and getting your best players in the field at all times. That's something I think Kyle's in a do now more than ever with Kittle reaching his A.J. Packs and injury and then all that stuff. So yeah, for sure. So final question on the 49ers and just away from struggling, but he brought it up. Kittle's injury. I read, we read recently that the injury was higher up on the tendon. And so the higher up, supposedly that it heals faster or it's a little bit of a better, easier healing opportunity. What's your experience with those types of injuries helping rehab somebody who's had one up high as opposed closer to the ankle? That's a really good question. In my experience in working athletes back from at Kittle's rehabs, it's an extremely tricky process. It is extremely tricky. I have athletes who are high end, power four athletes, do it and then I'm asked with helping them come back from it. I'm like retributing a performance standpoint. And it's really tricky because tendons in general are really tricky endeavor because tendons get inflamed. They hold water. You need to squeeze water out. But when the tendon complete ruptures, that's a totally different ballgame. If a tendon is just essentially overworked, you get tendonitis or in some cases tendonopathy, different ballgame. That's a long term chronic. But when a tendon is completely severed in ruptures, you're taking so much neurologic language that the tendon has in just severing the connection completely. And if your body has to re-wear in the coding aspect of what it looks like to hit the ground with X-Force, that's where it's really tricky. Having a 150 pound man, ruptures of killies is much different than a 33 year old, 6 foot 3, 250 pound NFLth, that is so, so, so tricky. And yeah, the recovery is a little bit cleaner, I would say, the higher up, the closer to the calf, it gets that insertion point, a little bit cleaner, less the breed to deal with. I'm going to get towards the ankles and joint and the bone and all that. But still from a like, force and rate coding perspective, it's still super complicated. Everybody, look, I've known athletes that it took until the 30 year to feel comfortable after the killies rupture. Like George Kill doesn't have that much time. Even when you look at JK Dobbins, right? Like, he's getting run down by backwards. I mean, he puts in damn good ball, but you what? But the exposed to this is nowhere near the same level. And that's the thing, it's like, in my personal experience, it is a catastrophic injury. And especially if you are, if you played a lot of ball and have a lot of wear and tear, it's even more cash shop. So, so to add to that fact too, I'm just just a little bit of humor with this and some reality too. I heard that like, that, you know, you probably don't want to eat a bunch of Hershey bars while you're rehabbing from any type of tendon thing. Like you, like sugar intends, I heard, are really bad, like a bad combination sugar intake intends. That's true. I'll be honest, I think when you talk about sugar in general, especially like highly processed, like non natural sugars, like once you're not getting from, like, like, like, free honey, right? Like, high grade honey of that. I mean, no, sugar is terrible. This is not nutrition podcast, but sugar is one of the worst things you can put in your body because your body is no idea what to do with it. And so the more time your body spends on figuring out how to filter sugar, the less time it's spending on repairing cells and, you know, muskuture, right? And helping repair tendons and, you know, restoring, you know, neurologic connection. So, yeah, I mean, I'd sugar, I try to limit my sugar intake, like most people, right? Like, yeah, if you're trying to recover from an injury, any injury, do not eat sugar. Like you'll recover exponentially faster if you don't eat sugar. Like it's just, it's proven. Like it's a huge deal. Um, that's what you talk about, like cancer cells and things of that nature where, like, eat on sugar, right? And that's a huge one, but like we're talking about repairing tissue, especially at a high level, like, tendons, like tissue has been ruptured. Sugar definitely does not help. Okay. Good. All right. So, let's move on. We got Jeremy Bernard. Now, I have him. I also am lower on him than you. I have him early third round. And I'll just give a quick synopsis of my thoughts. I like it. I don't hate, don't hate the player. But I know that I have him, you know, the ADP on him in the leagues. I looked at, he's around 20. It picked 20. And I, I look at DK and Michael Pittman and I think about, maybe Mike McCarthy does put Bernard in and you have more 11 personnel this year. But they also do have an investment in tight ends that seems to be, they like to run the ball the way they do. You know, is this going to be a situation where Jeremy gets enough touches early on? Now long term, I could see how we look at that and go, well, DK isn't a great wrap runner. You know, and he's getting older and, you know, Pittman's a nice compliment. So they probably need somebody else in Bernhard. Has that opportunity to become a Robert Woods like type of player, you know, and this is a team where they could use that. So what, you know, what are your thoughts? And then I just look at the quarterback situation and I go, all right, maybe Aaron Rodgers, but if Aaron Rodgers shows up this year, how late is that going to be before he shows up and how much is Jeremy going to get into the good graces of Aaron? Let me, you know, let me change the offense around every two seconds, you know, you know, two seconds before the ball snapped, you know, type of thing. And then when that's over, okay. So now you've got Will Howard and Drew Haller. So it's like, oh, and Mason Rudolph. So, you know, talk about Clay and Roulette. Yeah. So that's where I concerned about Jeremy like is like I use a good player, but I don't know if I love the situation. So what changed? What had you with a different thought viewpoint with all of that as a starter? That's a great question. I think the. The biggest one for me is how heavy historically the slot usage has been from McCarthy receivers. Biggest one, right? When you're looking at players that are not drafted in the first round, the number one thing I look at is roll. What roll are they going to play and historically how heavy usage has that roll been? Well, last ten seasons, McMacCarphy said two slot receivers. CDLAM, Randall Cobb. They've averaged, averaged 136 annual targets. Crazy. Lowest targets were Cobb and I think 2017, 109. And that was the year in Ranchers only played 11 games. He broke his right collarbone. Bernard is not on the same aspect from the CDLAM obviously. Closer to Randall Cobb, probably in terms of physical talent, might not even be there. But the average slot target comes out to 136. He was reaching 180 almost with CDLAM. I think Bernard's the easy button receiver of the offense. Hands down. I think he's the easiest one to get the ball to. He can play the Robert Woods roll on a way where you're motion across, jet motion, extended of the run game. Which is not a really good run game either way too. So that's a bonus for Bernard. He's the easy button player of the offense. I don't think DK McCaf is going to offer you more at this stage in his career. He kind of is what he is. Michael Pittman Jr. after the back injury, not only the same player. He was a 1200 yard receiver a couple years ago almost. He was a pretty good player. So that kind of leave, Jimmie Bernard. He's got Pat Frymouth as what he is to. He's fine. He's more of a blocking titan and a receiver at this stage, same with Darnal Washington. But the historic heavy usage of a slot receiver being the primary in McCarthy's system will be one to watch with the shift to 12 and 13 personnel. And then drafting Bernard is a day too big. That's a huge one for me. If they were looking in another direction, they wouldn't have tried to draft McCoy Lemmon in the early 20s. That's a good point. That's a big one for me. That's another huge signal where Kam was on the phone with McCoy Lemmon when Hally traded up before them to go draft Lemmon. So that tells you where that organization's head is in terms of what archetype of receiver that they want, where is McCoy Lemmon profile the play primarily? Inside. During Bernard? Inside. And so that archetype of receiver, tough, over the middle, combative run after catch, that's what they want. And very obviously, their second tier of that in this draft was during Bernard. Nice. Love it. It's a great argument. You know? How about a. How about a Malachi Fields? I've got them higher than you. Where do you have Malachi Fields? I've got him 9th overall. Oh, man. And now I'll make my argument. So, you know, I'm not the biggest Jackson Tart fan. So for me to have him 9th means that I feel like that Fields is going to have an opportunity to be used a fair bit inside and in the shallow ranges of the field. And I think that we'll see some of that early on with neighbors actually being the guy who goes deep. And I think they'll switch it off. I mean, you know, we're going to get neighbors the ball early and often. But he's also a guy that's coming off ACL tier. So how often are they going to want to run him on some of those short routes with the yards after the catch? Maybe they want him to clear out a little bit early on, a little more often and let him run in a straight line a little bit more. That might be, you know, that means that Fields might get more crossers, might get more digs, and he's good on those routes. And he's also very skilled after the catch because he has that combination of quickness and power. So he can make people miss, he can run through them. And then also he gives you a big target that if Jackson Dart, you know, doesn't improve that intermediate to deep accuracy that he hasn't been good at, you know, Malachi Fields can kind of erase some of the inaccuracies that you see from Jackson Dart. And because neighbors is so good and he's going to be, they're going to be occupied with him. He's occupied with Cam Skatabo coming out of the back field or Tyrone Tracy. I could see where Fields winds up being a guy who just either draws mismatches or finds himself being the, you know, getting more advantageous looks within the scope of the offense. So I'm sure. And if Dart, Dart doesn't get better, well, there's a lot of good quarterbacks coming down the pike supposedly next year. So he could still get a chance to grow with a good young quarterback. I love that. Where do you see Darnal Mooney? Where do you see him shaking out in that system? I see him catching a lot of short timing passes, which could make him a nice look there. I know he's, he's very good as a intermediate and vertical timing route. Yes, he is. He excels at that, but I also remember Desmond Ritter and, and, and I think about, and I think about Jackson Dart and some of his struggles and his struggles are beyond 20 yards, basically 25 yards and beyond. And that's from the line of scrimmage, not necessarily, I mean, from the throwing point, not the line of scrimmage. So a lot of these intermediate timing routes that Darnal Mooney is very good at, I'm just not sure Jackson Dart's good at it. And that's my concern. I agree, 100%. Yeah, it's an, it could be interesting to see because I also don't know how the Matt Nagy paring. Yeah. And we've talked with this before like Matt Nagy. He has a chain, his schematic style, undefined to what today's NFL is becoming. He didn't incandes his city last couple of seasons that really burned him in my opinion. But now I'll be really interesting to see how it all shakes out. But also to, Link neighbor's return. I don't think it's going to be as crisp as people are thinking. Yeah. I've been in some drafts and he's been drafted like in the second, early second round for some of them. Like, I don't think he returns the form until 27. I agree. Like, that was a bad injury. It wasn't just like, okay, ACL, no, ACL plus, he's ill from what I understand, not sprinting, like full speed, like malt repetitions. So if you can't stack on like actual training volume and work towards cutting at high speeds, like at this point of the season. Yeah. It's not ready yet. It's tough. Like you're six, seven months, right? Like it's like seven months post, like we should, you know, we should be doing that stuff and even just like a smaller cited capacity. But I don't think he's going to be fully ready to rock at Malik neighbor's level until 27. Because if he knew he was sending to be a top five receiver in the league in my opinion, he was playing some great ball. Yeah. But yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. And if let's say he's not ready and they, you know, they basically, you know, red shirt his first quarter of the season. Yeah, there's a lot of targets to go around because there's no one really there to absorb. Isaiah likely someone that too can work in, you know, work in the middle of the field and be someone an easy button target. So it'll be interesting to see how he works in. But yeah, I definitely think that you, you kind of can nail in the head with field. He could, he can come in there and definitely make some money for sure. But you can also see where it gets cloudy. So it's yeah, yeah. All right. So final one of this segment is is Jonah Coleman. Jonah Coleman running back for the Denver Broncos and I have him overrated by basically around and a round and a half almost. I haven't met the end of the third round at big 36. My basic argument is this Sean Peyton hasn't picked the running back who has been worthwhile inside the fourth round. I mean, after the fourth round, ever. Now you could add Chris Ivory as an undrafted guy and you could, you know, say that that is certainly a consideration. But I would say, you know, looking at, hold on for a minute. So I mean, you can count Chris Ivory as someone that, you know, undrafted. But fourth round or later, he hasn't really hit on anybody. He the running back that he drafted. The earliest was Reggie Bush. You had Mark Ingram in the second round. And the back that he really didn't like and like reamed out the kid early on. And then the kid basically in most unprecedented fashion, the light turned on for him in the next practice was Alvin Camara. He thought Alvin Camara was self. I mean, that's what I heard from people who were close to the situation. Ran out, you know, bounced everything outside, hated that he did that. Went after him about it. And the next, the next practice, it was like he turned into a different player and never looked back, which just, and you can see how special Camara was. So then you look at him in Denver and you've got Audric Estimay, you know, as, you know, kind of slow big, slow good feet, you know, but he's part of a committee. Harvey, part of a committee, you know, the best back he got is the one that he, you know, signed in free agency last year in JK Dobbins. And so when I look at Jonah Coleman, a fourth round pick, who I don't think is, I think he's like, you know, if, you know, I would call him slowed and Howard, you know, kind of type of player or, you know, or, you know, molasses white, you know, and just kind of just not very quick, not very fast, gets caught by linebackers a lot. But then JK did too and had a good season. And then when I hear about power, yes, he runs through linebacker reaches from what I've tracked pretty well. But he's not as powerful as the billing, if you ask me, like I watch him against Weber State, I watch him, you know, against better teams. And I don't see him running through a ton of hits and he'll run through some wraps. But he's not, you know, the combination of contact balance and, and explosion just isn't quite there. And I thought that his past protection is more getting in the way, good job. You know, that's how, you know, a lot of NFL types who grade go, well, as long as he gets in the way, I feel like he's making the effort. It's going to come. And I'm thinking, no, that's, that's a recipe for disaster. Like I, I need to see some technique. So there's a lot of little leaky things with his game for me that I look at and go, I don't, I see him as a situational committee member, kind of like Audric Estimae where you may have some good games. But here we go again, Sean Payton, not a, not, you know, being a part of a regime that's just could have picked somebody better, you know, and could have, and I think that the, the yardage and the production that, that Coleman had was a product of very strong offensive line play. And I'm, so I'm suspect of him being a, you know, an early round pick for a team that likes to commit a fire, everything. And Sean, I mean, I've fallen for Sean McMays, Sean Payton's bit, you know, one of the many times, you know, where he's like, this is, he's a very Kamara like option for our team. He's, he's, he reminds me of Mark Ingram. He reminds me that it's like, no, he reminds you of the role you gave them for that, but not the quality of player. And Sean's kind of in love with his, his scheme, you know, he's a scheme-oriented guy, which means these guys, he just named the widgets and gave them personal, he, he personalized the widgets with past players. He's very sprawls like, you know, he fits what, we see a lot of what sprawls did there, you know, and, and you're like, okay, shut up, okay, like, you know, that's kind of how I feel. I was like, shut up. I don't want to hear you talk about Darren's sprawls if you're gonna, you're gonna undervalue him as much as you just did by comparing the, the player and the outcome, you know, so I'm, I'm kind of worried about that. That's why I have him below. Yeah, no, I, I'm disagree with that whatsoever, right? I like the player in terms of if he went to a high-volume rushing offense, that's good in a low red zone that needs that player. He could be a Jamal Williams Tyler Algear type player for sure, 100%. But he doesn't go to that spot where JK Dobbins is gonna be a Bronco as long as he has the C-Legs to be a Bronco. RJ Harvey is growing into a role, a deeper one, but I don't, I agree with you in that. It's gonna be tough sledding for people who love Jonah Coleman. I wasn't, hi on him. I wasn't low on him. I was just kind of valued him kind of where the NFL kind of did is like, hey, this guy couldn't start in the correct system. But like, if he goes to a crowded room, he's not gonna set himself apart, so to speak. Yeah. And I, yeah, I think that's kind of where he is. He's kind of Royce Freeman part two. But sure. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's actually a really good one. Probably pretty close. I mean, here was this. What's it about Royce Freeman Tyler Algear and Jamal Williams? Tyler's, yeah, Tyler's more rugged. Royce catches a ball and has better feet, but not so much so. Yeah. So I mean, I'm with you. They're pretty close together. Just Tyler's, Tyler's a little bit, I'm a little more partial to Tyler now that we've seen him. But I'm with you. But yeah, I'll sit in their caliber. Yeah. All right. So that was a fun exercise. So, so we appreciate the suggestions from folks because they got tired of us agreeing all the time. No, it's pretty good. I'm the, you know, people like who are listening, like, you go down players like before the show, after the show. And then it's like, we just have similar thoughts. Yeah. Players. It's just, I don't know. It just is what it is, you know, but all right. So what about who's, who's on your do not draft list for 2026? Okay. First one's definitely Ken Yen city. I had him, pretty, I had him below Max Claire and my initial emails to him. I mean, I just, first thing is if you're in a tier four offensive environment where your team is bottom five in points per game, red zone efficiency, plays run per game. And you don't see the light at the end of the tunnel offensively. The jets are going to be a bottom five offense this year. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. They haven't shown signs to improve structurally, organizationally, what he Johnson does not run a good ship owner. Unless they blow it all up, I don't see how the jets can support more than Wilson and Paul, you know, fantasy perspective. And I don't think Siddiq was the talent that people, you know, led him to be. I think he's probably, I don't say I think he's closer to Chicago, Conquo. Then he is, you know, the verd and Davis hype, right? I mean, the ceiling, if he figures it all out and masters his athletic traits, sure, but that's a, that's tough. I mean, it's, that's a difficult one to do. I mean, he's probably closer to Chig. When Chig's fine, he's a second contract tight and he's good player, but he's not worth the 108, 107 I've seen in some places. I'm going to six. If you're in time premium, I've seen him drafted there. He's definitely not worth that at rookie draft. So he's firmly on my do not draft list. Him and Omar Cooper Jr. for the similar reason. Oh, wow. Okay. I like Omar Cooper Jr. more than I like Siddiq, but you have to draft Omar Cooper Jr. 108. Yeah. 109. Like, that's just really steep for someone that, you know, who knows Aaron Glumont have a job next year at this time. But true. So, you know, you get another, you get another coach who comes in who's offence of minded that just wants to kind of clean house in terms of, hey, let's get another perimeter playmaker on the field here. It's it's high M. They draft one in the first row. Could very well happen, right? Yeah. And these are my guys. I don't know. Right. Like, what if they're, what if they're in the Jeremiah Smith sweep, sweepstakes? Yeah. And they land him. What do you think happens? Right? I mean, that's, that's a very real possibility. Power washer basically across the depth chart. Yeah. 100%. And like, Cam Combin's another great name in the next class at receiver. That's an early first round talent. He would go there and shake everything up too. And then, then there goes Siddiq and there goes Cooper Jr. So that's kind of my thought is we have two really high end receiver talents. At the 2027 juncture here. And this might be a clean house situation in Jettland. I don't see how Cooper Jr hangs on to value with Wilson there. I don't see how Siddiq hangs on to value of potentially being a tertiary option long term in Jettland. So I think that's, that's the big one for me. me just staying away from the Jets is first and foremost. I can imagine the conversation. I can see, you know, brick calling up Woody, you know, grandpa, you know, I've got another one. I got a banger for you. And this is a, this, this guy is so high up on the madden board. Now we have to trace back. And you know, he did this before, but he is also doing this out of spite because you can imagine him having an argument with one of the scouts about Mason Taylor. And he was probably motivated because the scot probably said, can you go back and play with action figures or play madden and just please leave me alone and let me do my job. You know, you're not even, you're not even old enough, you know, to be doing, you know, whatever it is, you know, just go, go away. And then he probably got madden said, I'll show him because he was the one that wanted Mason Taylor. So I'm going to draft a better one. And so I'm going to call grandpa and tell him I want the better one here, but I'm with you on Cedique. It's just like Taylor's better than him in every respect other. I agree with you. Speed. It's not even close. So you're really going to bench Cedique over Mason Taylor and then or pair him with Jeremy Rucker, who can block. But now you don't have a guy who runs reliable routes, who doesn't read zone defense is fast enough to play to his speed. And then he can't make some highlight level catches, but he also has some issues with drops a little bit here and there that you know can kind of get the better. I'm so I'm with you. You know, Jonah Coleman already talked about. So there's that if I was going to go with anybody else on this board, I mean, I don't understand why people are taking Cole Peyton at the end of draft. I like it. Look, I love the athletic ability, but his arm is suspect from what I've seen his accuracy definitely a suspect on that level. You if you want to take a guy who might be able to run and move and throw and create, take Diego Pavia at the end of the draft or a better yet as a free agent off the waiver wire. He's got a three year deal. There's no guarantees. So the raven see him clearly, which is we know you have talent. You might end up being our QB two. We might also decide that we're done with you after six months based on your off field behavior. So we're going to give you we're going to give you a chance. So to me, Pavia is the last draftable player. And I wouldn't even call him draftable in a deep, deep league is, but he's the last quarterback on my list that I'd actually want. It's ugly. I mean, it's just like, you know, after, after a dose of, yeah, some seniors in a good spot has sitting wait like a June love. That's perfect. Then it's like Carson back. No, thank you. Carapunus, my or no, thank you. Cole Peyton. Yeah. It's what are we doing? Eagles, Eagles. That's all it is. Is it that he's on the Eagles? To. Yeah. No, no. No, it's not going to happen. Then then there's Drew Aller who. I don't. Yeah. We're not talking about. Can I just say one thing about him? Sure. Okay. Just one thing. I've seen the counter argument that well, they say that the that Penn State, you know, really limited him. And they didn't let him be what he's capable of being. And I'm thinking then that's even more of an argument. Why you don't really want to invest highly in him because he hasn't had a chance to develop doing what he's supposed to be able to do in the college game to even make the next step in the pro game. And I'm glad you know, so for me, I mean, I'm just like I, I don't, I don't get that one at all. And to me, the using the argument that he that that it's not like he played at Miami or played at Georgia or Texas or played in a pro style offense at Cal. And then they moved him over here and they just made him run RPOs and misdirection with one read and, you know, lots of mirrored concepts. And that's it. You know, he's been doing it his entire career in Penn State. So yeah, Niagara. Okay. All right. So we're good with that. So a little strategic stuff will, we'll move forward with that is who, what are some viable rookie draft strategies with people who, you know, who they find themselves into situation? Because it's, it's a pretty easy one to, to hypothesize, which is everybody who wanted 2027 picks, they saw Jeremiah Smith and Cam Coleman and all those quarterbacks in September and said, I better get me as many of these picks as possible. And I'm hearing that this 2026 draft is, is wonky or weird at best with their IL. And I'm not coming off 2027 for that matter. I'm not even coming off 2028. You're stuck with your 2026s. Yeah. And you're in that situation. What are you suggesting to people on a, what's perceived to be a weak board with nobody coming off a later picks or I mean, next year's picks? Yeah. I think the one thing that I think is fairly viable is after you get to 107 when you're in that 110 to 108 to 110 range. The first seven picks are pretty easy. In some order, love, Tyson, Tate, lemon, Mendoza, conception price. Okay. That's your seven at 8 to 10. You don't want stowers. You don't want to eat. You don't want Cooper Jr. Those are private three players that are most likely to be drafted. You don't want to go rogue and get air, they're not air singleton, Nicholas singleton. Right. You don't want to do that either. So what I would probably do and I've thought about this because I mean, leagues where I've been trying to finagle my way into doing it is grabbing a 2027 second and just getting a 2026 second as well for someone to move into that spot. If that doesn't do it, just, you know, taking the 2026 third, right? 2027 second round really is two things. It can be a trade ship to move up into the middle of, let's say your championship up contender, the middle of the first round in 27, right? Like if you have a 109, if you have a 109, 209 and you have okay, a 204 from the trade, you can trade the 204 and trade the 109 for maybe going and getting 104 or if your tier break is that's what you want to use it to, right? It's like this year, the difference between Jadarian price and carnell Tate of Jordan Tyson, right or McKinnell, like pretty big gap in terms of talent in my opinion. So that's kind of what I'm using it to is to jump a talent tier next year. But then also to maybe I can acquire a late second early third to go get a Dejonce tripling, to go get a Skyler bell or in the third, okay, a Demon Claimor or Max Claire or someone like that where I'm getting more of a dart throw in terms of long term value, but they're still value with that pick in terms of tiers. Because really, this besides really 201, which is, I think, Antonio Williams for me pretty heavily, maybe even earlier in some spots, you can draft any player anywhere. Like it's just a complete hodgepodge. So there's no consensus really there. So you can really just play around with it how you want, but that being said, you don't want to be drafting in that spot if you can help it. So I think that's something that I'm trying to do, but also you can leverage it and say, hey, I'll take a 2028 first or you like that class with Jaren and some of the other quarterbacks and those guys coming up. But next year's class is really good. I mean, there's some really, really talented talent to do. Running back class is really strong. There's three backs that are really like already Lacey and Brown are all, you know, already is really freaking good. But then besides Hardy, Lacey and Brown are other ones. Baws, good to Jaden Baud for to like four deep next year. And for the running backs. And those are all guys you can probably you will be tried at the first round. Receivers really good too. Obviously the big two Smith and Coleman. But then you have Ryan Williams and some of the other guys that are, you know, DJ Moore. Some of those other dudes, Mario Craver, who are good, good pieces there. Quarterback interesting. I'm not a huge archmaning fan. I really like Drew Mastemaker out of Oklahoma State. Him and Dante Moore, my first two quarterbacks I would take. But I think in most drafts, the first quarterbacks and the archmaning, these goliest, but that's typically how I'm seeing it right now. Right. Yeah, so I'm gonna go a little different track and say what if you can't get 2027 or 2028 and You know I I agree with the top tier that you mentioned I mean, I think that's a that's the closest consensus most everybody has is those top six to eight players and Then after that it's where it gets wonky so for me. It's kind of like I Have Chris Brazl the second 12th on my board um, and I would say once you get to around Denzel Boston Chris Brazl There's a point where you or if you're not interested in holding and waiting on Thai Simpson You know which is understandable I Look at the receivers that people are gonna be looking at and these are like that Mid-second mid-second tier through the third tier of wide receivers on my board and They're like the Ted Hearst the Jacobi lanes the Elijah Sirotts You know there's some players you can pick and choose from that are intriguing like Dionne Berkson Kevin Coleman But then you've still got guys like Brandon Thompson and Yeah, you know Bryce Lance who I I like more than others, but still I mean like there's all these guys that If we've we've talked a lot about on this show and other shows. I've talked a lot about how over the past five to seven years The minimum bar of competency for wide receiver in college in terms of technique has gone up It's kind of like Esse's average SAT scores have gone up But but also what I've learned in business schools or the business school I was at is that there are a lot of people who professors and Counselors who said while the minimum competencies on paper have gone up significantly and the bars higher the people skills the ability to work in teams the ability to like the soft skills that actually matter Has gone way down And when I equate that to wide receiver I feel like what we're seeing is that Route running techniques have gone up in terms of knowing them But the execution of them with a level of nuance that's required for the NFL the ability to read coverages The ability to make adjustments has gotten worse because They're the because they don't have as much time with one another one another They're jumping schools all the time sure defenses are A little bit ahead of offenses schematically even though the that level of athlete of on offense is still Has an advantage at the very top, but so when I think of all that I'm going well who are the players at this range Where the belt the middle of the the of the bell curve that that big middle where those guys had have moved up and these are the guys that I look at like The Cooper's the bells the Lance's the Zachariah branches the Jeremy Bernard's though I see the argument for him that you might be an exception, but like Ted Hurst or you know guys like that where you look at them and go All right, there's a big middle here and they all have decent grades that would make them more promising Seven to eight years ago, but now there's you know now they're Chris Conley types, you know that you look at and go all right Could that guy wind up Chris Conley because very good athlete? Perform very well at the combine played in a big time program had some big moments on tape and What he is is a very good reserve Receiver who can contribute and start if you need to but not really be a productive fantasy player and and so with that in mind I'm like, why don't I want to draft a guy who's gonna clog my roster for three to four years and be Josh Palmer You're absolutely right. I mean, so I think the great comment you made about the talent level and skill level rising since it's getting so much So much higher. I think part of it is to like the seven on seven culture we have in North America where Everybody wants to play offense because that's what the glory is you're getting a lot of really unique athletes offensively however having knowledge and Executing that knowledge creatively or very different as the spectrum and we have a lot of really smart people Because a lot more and it's a lot easier to get information in terms of offensive structure play design all that now than it was 15 years ago So all that stuff is great. There's a lot of really smart offensive minds out there and that however Game the player to execute that at a high level and at high speeds are very difficult to do yes And so we have a lot of players who physically can do it however They can't Execute it when the bullets are flying. That's right. And so that's the tougher thing is you don't have players with a high and cognitive skill set That can make those requisite adjustments and the correct adjustments in game Because you have these really big fast strong dudes who can't slow the game down. Yeah Make those to make those high degree of difficulty maneuvers When you have a cornerback on the other side of you that just as talented as you yeah, and so that's the stuff That's really difficult because now I think you're gonna see now more than ever The slower receivers are gonna be the ones that will really start to make their aim or start to see it Jackson Smith and jigba is not that fast, right? Like you're gonna see guys like that pop up Cooper Cup was kind of the Start of that right you know Pukinakua kind of in the similar vein right that super athletically gifted but Really gifted player right Jackson and jigba you all these guys Liske was on of like guys that are more Tactical and technical rather than Spatimini in terms of their traits for sure, and it's interesting and who comes out in the third round the spesomy Me guys, you know Your all your all your hers yep like big tall fast strong. We just got a little Yeah, can we fix him get can we can we put different tires in the Ferrari like that's the thing It's like yeah, but that's the thought of like there's always those guys. Yeah, and like you go down the you go down the list and look at Like you know, I talked a lot about Chris Bell because I got so many questions on my draft got about Chris Bell like whoa Why is Chris Bell not highly you know rated like we're why do you have him so low? I'm like the biggest thing is this Typically from a physical standpoint his type of playmaker does not play the game at a high level 220 pond receivers drafted who are under six three since 2019 here's the list AJ Brown starting hot J.J. R. Sego wideside LaVisca Chanel junior Joe Reed Traylon Berks Therik Young, Jaffin Mingo and Xavier LeGet all those receivers are either out of the league hurt or Just not very good reserve level players who are never going to contribute. Yeah One of those players has contributed I think one of those players is contributed more than a 500 yard receiver receiving season that they did Brown. Yeah So it's really hard to teach guys that being with that much mass to drop their weight an outmaneuver The f1 racers at corner bat. That's what you're looking at and then you have such good athletes at corner now too Yeah, and then on top of it even if they're not those guys There's the there's a light gazelles the Henry Ruggs type of players Some of them are guys like do you really know how to alter pace? Do you know how to use the correct release versus the different type of coverage? Can you really bait defenders with the movements that you use or are you just executing it like you've read it out loud like your Reign poetry in a lit class, but you've never studied any acting and you've never understood how to Very pace and tone and emphasis and all of that and that's what you see with these guys So for me the solution is this if you're you don't have or you don't have 2027 picks to get no one's giving them up no one's giving up 2028 then When you're in the late second round and say Brazil Brazels gone you don't want to take a chance on bell necessarily with that pick You know maybe you look at this and go Maybe you, you know, and you feel like. at least I would say at least consider trading away your third round pick for an extra fourth round pick this year. Trade away, you maybe even trade away your third and fourth round picks for some fifth and extra fifth and sixth round picks and just take chances on undrafted running backs or Late round running backs or some tight ends that like you know if you just do one pick and say I'm gonna Trade away my third round pick and I can get a fourth round pick. Maybe you take a chance that Sam Roush is gonna be the Rob Grand Kowski Esk player to Colston Lovelins Aaron Hernandez it just that Hernandez is the more productive of the two in this particular case and both are more well-adjusted You know you could see where the Bears might want to go that route and be multiple and Roush winds up a low-end tight end one in fantasy and and Lovelin winds up a low-end wide receiver one You know playing a tight end roll Michael Trigg, you know who's you know as as once got said the reason consensus boards don't have nuance or context is that is Michael Trigg we all know he's good this this current scouts supposedly out Twitter says But we all know he's an asshole That was So It's like you know so you look at a guy like Michael Trigg or you look at you know Someone like that or maybe you trade your fourth round pick and keep your third round pick and you say yeah I'm gonna get the Mon Clayborne in the third round. Maybe Emmett Johnson falls to me At that point maybe I can you know or I and I skip the third round in the fourth round I take my chances on a Kaylyn Black or You know possibly or a Robert Henry and then the fifth six round you got guys like Robert Henry Jamari Taylor Did Lashon Williams get an opportunity to sign with the Bears after as many camp trial? I don't know yet, but like Jamal Haynes is with Cincinnati, you know, you know Roman Hennby there's like a lot of guys where I look at this and go You're gonna know right away within like for the majority of these guys you're gonna know by the end of training camp whether you just ditch them and Then you make waiver wire calls and no one's clogging your roster and you can go hard to the hole with with other selections or They do well enough that you say okay. I can be selective about who I hold on to and if they hit at least from the standpoint of having a couple of good games And he's gonna play for another three to four weeks. Well, you're you can profit in the trade You know because you still what what oh so you used a fourth or a fifth or six seventh round pick on this guy Yeah, now now people are now people are also like I need to win right now and I need this guy sure I'll give up a 2028 sure. I'll give up a mid-round 2027 Now you now you've gotten some more of what you wanted in the first place 100% there's a value all right, so I just kind of will end it this way. I mean I I just mentioned to me. I think this I Think the third tier of the the late second to third and early fourth tier of the wide receiver class is just They're they're interesting players and you can shoot you know pick and choose some of these guys if you want Like I like the on Berks' landing spot in terms of like the depth chart I certainly see where Ted Hurst could have value eventually Kevin Coleman if they're running They're running 12 as you mentioned you you you really like him and you have him higher than most You know if he's running 12 and he's the flanker Binding chance or used in that capacity. They're gonna run a lot of you know Overroute and crossing routes and get Willis outside and moving the pocket and if they run 12 a lot that could be good Though our guy Malik Washington looks like he's in a great position Finally get it he starts. I think he's yeah, I think Kevin Coleman I think backs him up initially But I think the big issue is like you know They're your most accomplished receiver in that roster is too too at well. Yeah, that ain't good no and Mike McDaniel I mean I'm glad that they sent him back to school with Sean McVey Because I have a feeling what we're gonna learn is that from what we've seen in interviews Mike McDaniel is literally like This is my offense and I don't I have roles for my players I what's wrong with not forming a role specific to what the player does well and I'd say well I can give you about four or five examples from your teams and one of them would be Malik Washington as a as a screen player You know is just like that's a bad example of Miss using a player. I mean that was Bobby slow-wick so it's like You know it's Yeah, yeah, it's Bobby slow-wick Okay, you know who their past game coordinator is you're gonna laugh Haven't put too low oh Yeah, so you got Bobby slow-wick you can get him to low oh My gosh, I mean so this is it yeah, I love the Kevin Coleman I have him really high I'm in the low 80s. I think he could be Zayf flowers at the you know the very peak If he gets into a good ecosystem and everything but he's nice and a terrible terrible place So so yeah, so for me these are overrated These are overrated spots whereas I think running back is actually underrated even though people say it's a bad class But I agree but I think it's like it's underrated because of what it's relative to what the situation is since he can't trade Your second round pick more often than not for next year or the year after now the second round pick is no longer as valuable This year as it was in previous years so Take a Kalen Black or you know who could give you 800 to 1200 yards of Christian McCaffrey gets hurt early and he wins the job Take a you know consider Robert Henry who maybe they get one look at him versus K. Tron Allen and they and you know in training camp and go oh we want the quicker guy and maybe you know Crosky Marit doesn't quite ascend to the level that they thought or you know or you go with undrafted dudes like Jamari Taylor or Levy on Moss or Lishon Williams or all those guys I mentioned and You can pick up a number of them. So I mean I think those guys There are a lot of guys that I graded that I thought These guys could have gotten drafted but sure But they don't fit the NFL's idea of draftable player and And they fit where the NFL is often wrong about running backs Yeah, no, I agree with you. Yeah, I think it's a there's a lot of places where you look and say hey If something happens and shakes right this guy could be You know a starter and then be fine to hang on to a job in the near future Right, I think you hit the nail in the head with Washington right that I've been in Crosky Marit had a good a good really good rookie year for a seventh round of Crannow out But as he stays a long-term starter probably not is K trying to Allen that good hang on to a long-term role Maybe not just in Jolly in Denver. Yeah, that's a huge one because who they have next year? Evan Ingram's contracts up in 27 he's turned 1333. Yeah Traumat has two years left on his contract. He's turned 30. He hasn't had any net 200 dRs with Champ Aiden. I Mean Jolly's pretty similar to Isaiah likely. I mean if he If he hits the ground running in terms of becoming a Torshery target in Bronco land because he very well could I mean there's not that much on that roster outside of Waddle and Sutton Pat Brian's a nice piece right you you have The two others that are good good pieces, but are they is Mims gonna really Mims in Franklin gonna really be You know 600 700 your guys probably not like so you have a vacancy there in a tertiary role It's like I got Justin Jolly's a perfect example that Eli Rarited in England like Tydenne is something interesting this year too, but no Yeah, I 100% agree with you. I think there are some definite spots where you can see value there and you know looking in the future Two of how we can look at Future valuations of the offense of infrastructure and say hey this guy's not gonna be here in 27 right? So they got it you got a forced the offense to make a decision But that's a big one for me when you're looking at the running back class here because you have some guys that can definitely play It's just you know K-Tron Allen goes to a really good spot. So does you know So does Henry Jr. So it's interesting. Yeah, well looks and we had a fun show and you definitely need to check out Brandon's draft guide And Angelo's analysis definitely go get it. And we'll be back in a couple of weeks. We'll talk more about these players. We'll get into maybe some 20, 27 picks in the coming weeks. If not, we'll be talking about what's ahead for the fantasy hobby in terms of 20, 26. And with that season, it should be a lot of fun. And thanks for all that you guys do and the sport. And I'm going to have a brand in myself. Thanks, and we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks. Absolutely.