Prosecute Fauci

What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you feeling today, Rob? I'm doing well, man. It was an epic run of porches. And once you get on a groove, you don't want to come home because you just like it starts off and it's tough and then you just get used to the being on the move and playing people's lawn. So I was having fun. Well, that's good. You were on quite a run. I got to, by the way, I should mention I got a tomorrow, tomorrow night, I will be in Cincinnati one night only for the Young Americans for Liberty event. I'll be, I'll be given a speech there tomorrow night. And I'm also recording with Matt Kibby, while I'm out there. So I'll, and then there'll be some content for you. We've got days this weekend. We're in Florida this weekend. Yeah. I think it's, uh, go for it. I believe, but yeah, it will, we'll be out there in the Fort Lauderdale area. Comic Dave Smith dot com for those tickets. And I'm sticking around on Florida. I got St. Augustine Florida on Saturday. And I'm sorry, Coco Florida on Saturday and then Sunday in St. Augustine, Florida. And then the next weekend is Walpole, Massachusetts, somewhere else, like I think Boston and Newton and Rhode Island. So coming out hell. Yeah. And then of course in August, me and Rob will both be at the Skyline comedy club in Appleton Wisconsin, comedy mother ship in Austin, Texas, then Louville, Kentucky for it worth Texas, Dallas, Texas Salt Lake City bunch of stuff coming up. Comic Dave Smith dot com, porch tour dot com for all of that. All right, Rob. Well, there's a lot going on. Um, there's some updates with the war. So I'm actually pretty interesting updates. And then we got these Fauci diaries that I really want to talk to you about. Um, let's here, let's, let's start with this because this is something I've been thinking about this morning. And I guess for, for a bit now, but Mark Leven took, took to the airwaves over the weekend to give his take on the, the legacy, which many people have been thinking about as we come in on 10 years since he was first inaugurated. Um, the legacy of president has the golden coin his face on the hundred dollar bill on this many policies and buildings across our nation. No other president has ever had his name. So finally, despite, Rob, the worst thing, the worst casualty in this war has been high energy, Mark Leven. He's been taken down to a mark Leven that none of us are comfortable with. But yes, here, let's, let's, let's hear from Mark Leven himself on the legacy of Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. The reason this president will get on in history for a thousand years. The reason the prime minister, Vizra will get on in history for a thousand years is because they saw the danger and they stood up to the danger and they're fighting the danger. And Donald Trump will get on in our history is one of the greatest presidents ever, ever because of what he is doing today as well as other things that he's done, but certainly because what he's doing today and dealing with this great threat in Iran. All right. Now, Rob, part of the reason why I thought this was interesting is just because, well, on one level, like probably on the most surface level, you just look at that and you go, wow, what world are you fucking living in? You know, and perhaps that is just a comment on the fact that we're living in very different worlds. I mean, that is true. If you are a boomercon TV host, you have been a very different world than we do. But I suppose Rob, well, look on one level, right? You just look at it. You go, imagine going on like a college campus today and going, I think Benjamin Netanyahu's legacy is going to be great. He's going to be viewed in history as a great man for a thousand years. You know, it seems a little removed from reality. Then again, Rob, I mean, monstrous presidents have been viewed as, you know, if you ask historians who the greatest president is they typically give you our most monstrous presidents, like they'll say Truman and FDR and Abraham Lincoln were the greatest presidents. And that like, you know, whatever grand chessboard geopolitical argument you want to make, you're like, what you do have to get past a lot. You know, like, like, those guys is different, like just right off the surface, you'd be like, wait, the guy who's like, who like started world wars and dropped nuclear bombs and started civil wars killed like hundreds of thousands of millions of people. Those are your best got. All right. But anyway, I guess one of the things I thought was so interesting about this is just that like, look, I never really have the confidence, Rob that left wingers have a lot where they go, you're on the wrong side of history. Like in my view, it's kind of like, I guess if we win, yeah, if I, if I win, it's going to look real bad if you were a neocon. But if the neocon's win, it'll probably look really bad being me. I don't know. But I really do think he's wrong about this. And I think some of the examples of this that are pretty obvious is that I remember Rob at the end of George W. Bush's term, people saying he's very unpopular right now. But historians are going to remember him for winning this huge battle in Afghanistan, you know, being the one who brought democracy to Afghanistan or something. I don't know, Rob doesn't seem to me like George W. Bush is being remembered as a hero. Doesn't seem to me like Anthony Fauci's being remembered as a hero, which we're going to get into. And the idea that like, I don't know. And I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, Rob. But to me, it seems like this idea, you're banking on a lot of things here. Number one, you have to kind of have the people tricked at the time. Like you got to get those people to believe it at the time, because then 40 years later, they'll swear by that lie of what the myth was, like the, like the greatest generation. They'll go to their deaths, be like, yeah, I was great. What we did. In other, like, you also need a control mechanism of propaganda, you know, to like maintain that that's the only way it's ever worked. You don't even have the people fooled at the time that this is a good war. Let alone the propaganda machine to keep it going. Am I crazy, Rob? You're a delusional old man to think that, oh, yes, Donald Trump, there's any indication that him and Netanyahu will be remembered why, you know, fondly from history. All right, guys, let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show, which is ultra pouches. You guys know about ultra pouches. I've told you about them. They're truly the guilt free pouch. They've got nothing bad in them. 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And listen, don't listen to any of the naysayers. They're still a pathway to victory and a thousand years from now, people are going to be celebrating how great would Donald Trump did and the ad the adversarial climate he had to overcome of people who didn't see the risk of Iran and the need to stop them now. So, you know, he's just doing what he's doing. He's going with the biggest possible eye to sucker people into his world vision. And that includes that there will be a victory and a victory that is so celebrated that a thousand years from now, people are going to look back as at Trump as the savior of our universe. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I will say the rub. And I don't, I hesitate to like jump to conclusions, but I don't think there's nothing to that even though we're kind of like joking around when we say this, there's something of the fact that he's like more low energy than ever. There's something there. I did, there's something I've noticed this across the board with the war hawks and the cheerleaders of this war, just like watch their energy. They're, they're all zapped of it. It's, it's hard, but you almost look at them and feel bad in a way. Like it does feel like, like you just drew the toughest hand in in a game of shards or something like that, like you're like, oh, you got to-- to go out and still defend this shit. Okay. Yeah, dude Donald Trump is going to be remembered. So well in history. And was Donald Trump, where is he 15 points underwater from where he was a year and a half ago or a or before he launched the 12-day war? I don't see it. Netanyahu, the guy who's under ICC, you know, indictment, there's a criminal warrant out for his arrest. He's going to age well. And then of course, Rob, in the backdrop of this, we have what? That over this weekend, evidently, at least according to the newspaper of record and whatever the official regime stenographers are, Donald Trump wanted to escalate and has been warned that we're running out of missiles. Now, this is a major problem that our stockpiles have been depleted. Now, this is something that has been it, it, it, it, it does almost feel, there's been a few reports about this, but it almost feels like this is like a new topic being introduced to the corporate media. This has been a real concern for quite a long time. And they're, look, Rob, this was, I know they had a, what's his name? I'm sorry, I'm blanking on his name. Who's the former, the former national security advisor who's over at the, where's he at the UN now? Waltz? Well, they had him on, on the Sunday shows saying that, I don't worry about this. There's no problem. If there is a problem, it's Joe Biden's fault over Ukraine. And you're like, hey, that's really contradictory. Which one of those two is it like, like, is it? We're running out of missiles, but it's Joe Biden's fault over not running out of missiles. Because even if you're going to blame the last guy for that, that's information we really need to have cleared up right now, which one of those two it is. But the, you know, they're out saying this is not true. The New York Times. They're out there saying people should be indicted, whoever leaked this, which by the way, Rob, that is quite a leak. This isn't just like your run of the mill leak because if true, I mean, hey, that is giving up very important information to the enemy and the whole world. That being said, that wouldn't be American citizens biggest concern. Our biggest concern would be the fact that we're actually, whether if this is true. But anyway, the thing that that gives it a lot of legs, Rob is that three nights in a row now. There have been no attacks. And so it does seem to back up that there was a reason why Donald Trump stopped here. By the way, double across your fingers and toes, but this could be really good news if this is the, you know, reality on the ground that gets Donald Trump to just walk away. We'll say. Well, firstly, I've been saying for, or I've said this in the past that if there was a Donald Trump on their side that every time Donald Trump was saying they have no navy left. We taken out 90% of their missile capability. Someone over there would be going, they used up other Patriot missiles. We took out other bases. They have a storyline too. And I think Donald Trump, you read all of his threats and they seem to live in a bubble that Iran can't escalate back. He seems to constantly be in some illusion of, oh, we're going to go hit all their power plants. And Iran goes, go ahead. We're going to start taking out power plants in the neighboring countries. But he seems to constantly be in like a bubble reality where he feels like we can escalate. We do have escalation dominance and they won't be able to match us. And I think Donald Trump just throws these threats out there with none of the actual reality in mind. And in this case, someone had to actually sit down and go, hey, this is going to be a big mistake. We don't actually have the interceptors if we're going on the offensive. And I think on the Iranian side, they're not looking to escalate because they don't want to give an excuse for Israel or America to basically nuke them. They don't want to do anything so tragic that the world would be on the side of, hey, this regime has to go. And I think they're just kind of comfortable sitting in this mess feeling like they won and that at some point, Donald Trump is going to have to actually give them a real version of the MOU admit defeat and walk away. And so they're happy to kind of just sit in the current status quo. And Donald Trump is really just working with his bomb and hope strategy of let's keep the current conditions and let's hope that some sort of a pathway opens up. But now that the Red Sea is shut down, Saudi Arabia's got to be pissed off as all hell as some critical infrastructure is now being targeted and hit by the hoothies. It seems like there's just more of a shot clock running out on America of how much we're going to be able to, how much hour voting public is going to be willing to tolerate without turning on Trump. So it just kind of feels to me like the Iranians just have this chess game pretty figured out and Donald Trump is still fumbling along. Yeah, I think I mean, I think that's exactly right. That's like spot on. And even down to your point with the look, the nuclear threat and Donald Trump being the guy sitting there does give it a little bit of a credibility from the Iranian perspective that like look, I mean, he is the craziest motherfucker in the world and he does have his finger on the button. So like, you know, like, but you're essentially if you're like if you're trying to, which is a useful thing to do in war, even though it literally gets every low IQ more onto, you know, like lose their minds if you ever do it. But like put yourself in the perspective of the other guys. Imagine right now you're an Iranian. Imagine your survival and your family's survival depends on Iran coming out on top of this and you're operating from their point of view. I think exactly what you said is how you have to approach it. You'd go, look, we're winning. But there's this big, you know, like ace in the hole. So we don't want to do anything crazy. You just want to win play conservatively at this point. But also if you are being smart from their perspective, but you don't give up the straight. You don't give up anything. You don't because you're winning. And why would you? So yeah, I think I think that's essentially right. And look, man, if this is the case, I mean, in some ways, it's another level that we're going to get a reality check on exactly how much of a paper tiger this whole US empire is and exactly how much of a big Ponzi scheme is this whole thing, you know, where you've got, I mean, Rob, when you, if you look into it and there's some people who have done good detailed analysis on this, but there's been some reports even in the New York Times and in the Wall Street Journal. Where they'd even, when you just go through it, it's like, dude, we dropped like more sad missiles than have ever been dropped in human. Something like some crazy number like a huge percentage of the world's stock of bad missiles. We dropped in the first month of this war. I think you'd, you'd like look at the numbers and be like, it was like $5 billion worth of sad missiles alone. Like the numbers are getting really crazy. When you got this war department that's now coming out and they're asking, first they said they needed 200 billion for this war. Now Pete Higgs at this coming out, Robyn saying, the biggest threats to national security is that we don't give you guys $1.5 trillion. And it's like, yo, dude, like the money you're talking about here, where we've spent, we've probably, you know, America has since the collapse of the Soviet Union, maybe put $20 trillion into militarism. You're now talking about that you need another $1.5 trillion just to get you through the next year. And this is the biggest national security. Like, now what points of the taxpayer get to kick the tires on this thing, Robyn go, and what do we have for all that? You're telling me we've spent this many trillions of dollars. Did you understand the level of wealth that we've robbed from the American people extracted from the economy and given to cronies at weapons companies, to the tune of trillions and trillions of trillions of dollars. And you tell me we run out of missiles in a war with a third rate power after a few months. I mean, I'm sorry. What the fuck are we talking about here, Rob? Yeah. Well, this came up during the, when we were funding Ukraine against Russia, I know I think I heard Ron Johnson say this on the center floor that they were able to produce just the basic stockpiles of ammunition at like a seven, it's like a seven to one cost ratio. And I mean, and this is also just this is Trump's fault of pissboard planning gets pissboard results at the outset of the war. People were talking about the cost of our interceptors versus the cost of their cheap drones. And I was talking with Kyle Anzlone on my podcast, Run your mouth at the start of the war. And he was basically saying what you're saying is that the problem is that our entire military industrial complex is basically just a money laundering scheme. And so they are not actually prepared for these fights because they got these super targeted, very expensive pieces of equipment that are kind of outdated. And they are spectacular and they are precise. But if you're up against heavy volume super cheap, it's not a winning strategy. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's right. You know, I think about this quite a lot. But it is, there is also something interesting about how like, you know, they say the Pentagon's always fighting the last war. And there's no question there's truth to that. I mean, if you look at where so much of like the so much of the military buildup has gone, it was almost like we're planning for another World War II or we're planning for another conventional war. But even as you look around, you're like, dude, I mean, all the superpowers got H bombs at this point. Like, we're not doing another conventional World War II war. So why are we planning for that? Like, our boys aren't going to be in foxholes shooting at other, you know, boys and foxholes. Is it right? We're not going to fight World War I. If we do have another World War, it'll be something, but it won't be that. And, you know, when you think about the fact is, and this really is the fact that if there's a reason, if you had to, obviously, these are layered questions. But if you were to say, why is America the superpower in the world right now? And you had to give the shortest possible answer to that. It's like, well, because we won the two World Wars in the 20th century or something like, we won the two World Wars and then the Soviets collapsed or something like that. So where the superpower left. But the reason we won the two World Wars, because we have this giant industrial base. We're the most productive nation in the history of the world. We made so much stuff that it made us the richest country in the world. And then when our government decided to take us to the war, they converted that productive capacity toward war-making. And so we just out-produced everyone. So we won the big wars. And then through a bunch of government policy, we deindustrialized the whole country. And now we don't have a productive capacity. And there is just something interesting about that, like Rob where it's like, look, obviously, we're not fighting the last war anyway. But even if we were to fight the last war, we don't have that anymore. You know, like we don't have the thing that made us the superpower, both economically and then militarily. We gave up on that. And now we're an economic superpower because we trade more pieces of paper electronically than anybody else does or whatever. And then you're like, oh, all right. Also, we spend more of that paper money on our military. And that's not nothing because you can buy some cool missiles and stuff. But all of this stuff is getting put to the test right now. And I mean, we're failing it. In real time, you're watching. We're just failing it at every turn. And I don't know what to say, Rob. Donald Trump lost the war. Then he pivoted to an economic blockade and lost that war. Now he's pivoted back to this and he's losing this one. So what's the next pivot here? I have a feeling it's just walk away. I'm hoping. All right, guys, let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. And I've been telling you about this company for a while now. If you want to level up your kitchen game, you got to check out Hexclad. And someers here, I don't know about you, but I'm a big barbecue or I've been out on the grill every day. And I'm using Hexclad's barbecue collection. 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Stop fighting clean up and upgrade your backyard cooking set up with Hexclad's barbecue collection. For a limited time, only hour listeners get 10% off your order with our exclusive link, which is Hexclad.com/problem. That's Hexclad.com/problem. Well, walk in a way probably made more strategic defense. It sends than the MOU, but it's, we're circling back to where we were this entire time, which is essentially, you gotta, you gotta break up with Israel. And Iran's gonna keep the straights. All the neighbors are gonna have to get along with Iran. We're gonna have to kind of admit that Iran's not a mortal enemy. And the big loser in that equation is Israel. Yeah. Well, yeah, one would think. One would think. All right, you want to just get into, let's get into some of the Fauci stuff, because this is something prosecute Fauci. There you go. It was something, man. Reading through, I will say there's something about COVID in that time period. And, you know, I remember it when I read Tom Wood's fantastic book, "Diary of a Psychosis." Really great book. But I remember it was like, it was like a cathartic experience, but it was emotional. It was just such a period. You know what I mean? I think COVID is one of these things that like it affected everybody, everybody's life. For me and you, it also like affected our career a lot. And in many ways, our show kind of blew up in those years. And, you know, I kind of made a name for myself off being one of the guys who was opposed to the COVID stuff. I mean, I've been around a little bit before then, but those were big years for sure. I still, everywhere I go, everywhere I go, people come up to me and talk about the Cuomo debate. I'll never, never, never, never get regular working class dudes coming up to me go, "Dex or kicking Cuomo's ass." And there's, we'll look, it was a crazy time period. And even for me, I still, when I, like, as I'm reading some of these Fauci emails, you're like, was it all a dream? Did this really happen? And I'll tell you, there was something where I've seen on social media a bunch of people, like Post and stuff about. And it's like, it's almost like getting the boys back together. It's all the people who were against the COVID tyranny. Like, I'm like, "Oh, yeah, I remember all these guys." And there's something, there is a bond, I think, that all of the people who were really, really outspoken critics of the insanity, of the insane response to COVID. You know, there's like a camaraderie that we all have with each other, 'cause the world really went crazy. And it was a time where it took, it was really, it felt like it really caused you something to stand up and be against it and tell the truth. And I'm not just like, call something like, "I'm not trying to exaggerate." Like, it wasn't like, "Oh, you were gonna go to jail for this." But I never felt like that, but it did feel like you might be silenced permanently in the public conversation for this. And it did feel like I think for a lot of people, like you might really lose friends over this. Like people, and it's just a crazy time. And look, I don't know how else to say this, but we were so goddamn right, Rob. We were so right, and they were all so wrong. It is, I don't know, and I know that this is one of the things that I appreciate where people come up to me about the Cuomo debate all the time. It's not just about the Cuomo debate. It was much bigger than that debate, it was much bigger than May. It's that during these COVID years, there was, Rob, the attempt to gaslight you. To gaslight you. But from all the holes of power, and while you sit there and go like, "No, no, no, no, no, this clearly makes no sense. This is wrong." And they tried to be, and then to like find other like-minded people and have their whole narrative fall apart. There's something just very cathartic about that, where you're like, "Thank you. I'm not fucking crazy. You people, not only are you people, where you guys always out of your fucking mind." These absolute, you know, just sociopathic liars, and we'll go through some of this in a little bit. But like, look at the actual guy who you were defending. He's a little fucking weasel, a little weasely liar who was like overwhelmed and thrilled with the moment that he was in. It's just, it's unbelievable. The more you learn about these people, the more information as time comes out, and then you try to put yourself back in the space of what they were telling you at the time, that he was this hero. He was truth science and above, you know, reproach. I don't know, what do you, you could take this anywhere you want to Rob, but what do you think? - All right, I want to give you the highlights of what I've seen so far that are in the diaries. I'm gonna have to actually go and read all of these 'cause I will for sure turn it into some comedic bits. - It's probably, it's really made for a Rob Bernstein piece. - Not all of this. - Yes, this is, I will be delving into this, but the single most damning piece that's in there, and we'll get into all of them, but the single most damning was that he acknowledged, and I don't know why he put this in writing, but when he was out there, three weeks after he wrote this in the diary, that the death rate was upwards of 3%, he acknowledges in his private diaries that this is basically a bad fluid, like 0.002%. And so if you want, if you just want one little piece of evidence of this entire thing being a fabricated mess by the works of Fauci, it's right there in his diaries that the death rate that scared the shit out of all of us was completely overstated, and he knew it at the time. - And he's so huge, which is so huge, man. And I'm sorry, don't lose your place on that, but this was the whole debate at the time, because at the time, this was the whole numbers. It's like, okay, well, if it's 0.03, then who really cares? It's a bad fluid, we go on with life as normal, but if it's 3.0, then we're looking at the black plague and like fucking hundreds of thousands of Americans are gonna be dead on the street, and so we have to, and so dude, conflating that is such a huge, you know what I mean? Like it's, you kind of can't overstate like what a big deal that is. He knew it, and they were smearing us. Dude, I remember sharing studies at the time that were like, hey, indicating maybe it's lower than that, and people would be furious at you over, right? And this motherfucker knew the whole time. And then next is you get just the insight into the institutional problems. So for one, apparently, he ended up in his position because Donald Trump liked the way he looked on television, and everyone kind of thought he was a good TV character. And so that's how he became the Lord of Science was not because he was actually doing the research, but because he was good on television. Next you have, and this gives away the entire thing, and people don't understand just how dirty this is. He's getting awards from people that have gotten big grants from the NIH. And isn't that nice that you can get a huge sum of money from the NIH and then turn around and go, we're gonna give an award to the guy who gave us a ton of money. But it's not just the awards. That's why all of the institutions were in lockstep with what was coming down. It's socialism that there's so much federal money going into the system. None of the big institutions or doctors or anything wanted to criticize the system because that's where the actual money's flowing from. And then the last piece of just institutional rot that's very apparent is when they first get together with the scientists and Fauci knows that this leaked from a lab. And he's got the committee and he's like, all right, well, we're gonna have to make this look like it's like it was out of the wet market. And then they, you know, I think two. people left that committee because they were kind of the dissenters. The same thing happened with the CDC. They got rid of the guy who, I think it was over the same lab leak thing that they basically got rid of him. Also, every time they were proving the vaccines when there were dissenters, those guys magically decided to resign from their posts. But that's the rot is that you get these people at the top of these institutions that are not going, hey, go perform science to give me an answer. They're going, this is the conclusion I'm looking for. I need it on government paperwork so I can go people, hey, this is the scientific process of government paperwork. You got to trust the government paperwork. >> No, you're exactly right. That's it. Well, look dude, I mean, this is the shift that Roth Barte taught me about how you got to analyze this shit. It's like in the same way that when it comes to economics, I always say there's Austrian economics and then there's junk economics. It's like because there's a correct way to view things here and an incorrect way to view things. And so like, for example, just off topic on the economic stuff, right? This was the basic Missession idea of what praxeology is, right? That praxeology is the study of human action. And when humans are acting, you think about that in a different way, right? So like, for example, if you saw, I think Bob Murphy might have used this example, if you threw a rock up in the air and it came down and you caught it in your hand, right? Or then you saw, let's say you saw a plane take off and then you saw a plane land. Like, you were just at the airport, you said, take off and land. Now, if we were scientifically analyzing what just happened with that plane and I said to you, I came to you with a hypothesis, which is that the pilot didn't like the looks of it. He changed his mind and he decided to land. That's like a reasonable hypothesis in that case, right? Like that maybe he didn't like the looks of the weather and came, but we just saw plane take off and come back down. Now, but if I was analyzing the rock and I said to you, looks like the rock didn't like the way things were going up and he decided to come back down. Okay, like, that would be really goofy in the rock example, but it would be totally scientific in the plane example. And in the same way that like vice versa, if I were to describe the plane as if it was a rock, as if gravity just blew out it back that you'd be like, no, no, no, you don't understand. That's human action. There's a human being acting here. And so we analyze that in a different way than we would. So so in other words, you know any type of economics that's giving you like a formula like that's trying to be physics. You're not doing it right, dude. This has nothing to do with science anymore. This is anti-scientific. It's as anti-scientific as if I said the rock decided it didn't want to go up anymore and decided it wanted to come down. We don't think of rocks as making decisions and we don't think of humans as not making decisions. Neither one works. In the same way, sorry, that's just a little off to the side, but for those who it connects with, I think it makes sense. In the same way, Murray Rothbard used to put it like this. I believe what he called it, what you're talking about right now was economic incentive history or like that. He was saying that that should be a whole different branch of history. And Murray Rothbard basically argued that we like we have good military history where there'll be like this battle happen, then this battle happen, then this battle happened. But if you look at real like historians and the work they do on policy, it's almost always like the gaps are filled with just narrative nonsense. Like, dude, and I can't tell you how many times this happens. This was one of the great insights as a historian that Murray Rothbard had. But so I get this all the time when I talk to liberals or left wingers. And in fact, I think even like I think Nick Mullen once came at libertarians with this like dismissal, which is a pretty popular one you hear on the left. They'll say something like, yeah Rob, we tried it that way and that didn't work. And that's why we have what we have now. And to some degree, there's like a superficial level of plausibility with this because yeah, we used to be a much more free market economy. And now we're a much more centrally planned economy. And so yeah, we used to do it like that. And then found out it doesn't work. And now we do it like this. But then Rothbard would point out, hey, is that really how the mechanisms of government work? Is that just right now when you look at the mechanisms of government, is that how it works? The people we all found out. And then legislation gets passed. Like the example Rothbard would use he goes, let's say Congress passes a tariff on steel. Okay. Or let's say Trump passes it. Well, you know, it doesn't have to be Congress. The government maybe it does buy executive order, whatever. There's a tariff on steel. And you were to go, hey, here's my hypothesis on how this happened. The people woke up and they realized that free trade and steel just didn't work. There were these major problems in the buying and selling of steel. This didn't work. And the people realized that a preferable economic system was that Washington, DC tax, foreign production or foreign imports of steel production. Or is it more likely that special interest from the steel industry lobbied per cent policy? Which one's more likely? Every last one of us knows that the second is the actual mechanisms of government. And yet real deal historians and regular people will tell you history as if it all happened the other way. They will they will fill. So one of the ways Rothbard does history. It's just really fascinating. So he says, and this is Rothbard, the way Rothbard described it, even back then. And I believe he was writing this in the 70s. So if you could try to picture a brilliant and how much this applies to today. But he goes, look, this is why the term conspiracy theory was developed and used to slander anybody who does real history. Now he got he made the point. Rothbard goes, there are cooks out there who do bad conspiracy. But real history is almost always about economic incentives and thus a conspiracy of sorts. And so when you read Rothbard, well, Rob, you know, in 1850 they put in that big railroad. What was it around 1850? So that's the one that went from. Yes, the one that went, no, I don't think it was the Pacific. I think it was Chicago. I think it was like a north-south railroad before the Pacific. But maybe you're right. Maybe I'm getting that wrong. But people could go like, well, they did that because the economy didn't work in this way. And then they did this. And therefore, we realized that we needed centrally planned railroads. And then you read Rothbard. And Rothbard goes like whatever it'll be. It'll be like when Madison was lobbying for the second central bank of the United States of America, his cousin got to underwrite the bonds that were written by the state government. And his old business partner got to have the job on the railroad that got to, and then you find the actual connections and you go, oh, well, okay, well, that's actually pretty, okay, if we're doing real history here, it makes a lot more sense to maybe focus on the fact that like, you know, Madison's cousin stood to become worth $50 million if the second bank got passed. Cousin thing is not a specific detail from history, but there was shit like that with Madison in the second bank. You got to go read Rothbard. But there's all types of great nuggets in there. But the point is that like, my point is that what you're getting here and what you're talking about is real history, really how things work. And no, it's not the case that just like the mechanisms and the machinery of government all get behind this guy because we all had some view or something like that. It's like, no, follow the money here, man. Like who's making money off of this? And to your point, this stuff is all over the place here. And then you see it. It's like, dude, between his emails that have come out now, his diary entries, the pictures are just so clear. They never thought it was racist to say that it came from a lab. They never thought it would, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, they knew it probably came from the lab and they knew they were implicated. They knew that the death rate wasn't this high, but they knew that they would get a lot more power if people believed. It was. And also, and we can go through some more if there's others on your list here. But I got to say, dude, because part of what Rothbard is getting at in his way of how to conceive history here. And part of public choice, the earlier things like that are understanding what a kind of basic thing. It's the same insight that Mises had with economics, but with politics. What we're looking at here is human action. Meaning we're viewing human actors. Meaning they work like human beings work. And me and you, viewer of this show, Rob and Natalie, we know a thing about how humans work because we are humans, right? So we can kind of like understand some of this. And one of the things that's crazy to me, Rob here is not it's not just the lies. It's not even just like the money complications. I do put this right up there with the with with like say the death rate. Fauci as a person, Rob, is smitten with being famous. And that's the thing that really comes through here, which is wild to think about that at this moment, at this moment when you're like, okay, he knows that he funded the lap, right? We don't know that yet, but he knows that there's the biggest like outbreak of this virus and this guy is concerned with the fact that like pretty neat that everyone on TV is talking about me. Yeah, it's incredible. It's incredible how drunk on power he is and that he doesn't seem to be all that concerned with the actual science behind the policies as much as these policies are leading leaving me to be more of a celebrity and to be more in power. And I mean, it's it's almost remarkable to try and wrap your head around a villain of that nature who will make choices that while pretending it's the only way that you're going to live. But the choices are actually being influenced by this grants me more powers. People are kind of listening to me. And at the same time, when getting in trouble going, I never said that. That wasn't my decision that for me, I that was that was from all these agencies. And then he's in his diary going, oh, look, these governor saw me on television. And so they're closing the televisions. I mean, they're closing the schools and they're going to be closing the bars. And it's, it's just wild to see someone making such bad decisions. And then just enjoying the fame that's coming from his horrible decisions. Yeah. I mean, he had, but if you remember the famous one that we played a million times on the show is where he goes later. This is two years later, he goes, I never recommended. I never recommended we locked down everything. This is him in his diary. By the way, also, who writes a diary? Oh, I don't want to insult some people. Apparently, I was suspicious of this at first because I was under the who would keep a record of incriminating evidence against themselves. Apparently high ranking government officials do this. My guess is it's because they want to write books later and celebrate. They are. But I think it's almost like, it's a very corporate thing that if you get off a call with someone, you might kind of keep a call logs. He got a bit of a record that you can point to. And so I think these guys are, I think it's the opposite where to dodge copability. They're kind of keeping like an informal. Yeah. Well, here's the. I still, let me, I still can't wrap my head around writing a diary that includes incriminating things such as the two. Unbelievable. Apparently from what I've seen thus far, I was on a, I was on a flight last night after a gig. I got to actually read all these files and sync my teeth in. But apparently, this is like pretty, pretty common practice. I also don't know how ran God has hands on this. Well, I will say, I will say I think there might be some human dynamic to like, because I know I've been in this situation before. I've been in like, um, let's say, let's say this like, when I have, when I have private communications with people who are like, you know, I mean, I talk to people at pretty high level, like media and, and, and even in government at times and politics and stuff like that. I've had the thought before, like, you think maybe some people are listening. And I've had talks with people before where I know that that person's been spied on by the feds. I'm talking to them and they're, and you know what, Rob? After about three minutes into a phone call, you completely forget that and you just get lost in a phone call. And like, like, like, I'm just making the point that like you do get sloppy. You know, I've been mic'd for on TV gigs where they mic you like a half hour before you're on. And you completely forget that you have a mic on and start talking to people in a very unguarded way because you're just, I don't know, you've had a lot of time being used to being a human and you're not, like, like, I don't know, you're just not, you, you're not expecting to be guarded. Oh, yeah, there's a thing right here. And I'm saying all, and I've been there before I'm getting all wild conversations and shit. And I'm like, Oh, there's some guy in sound just here and all of this. Anyway, this is what Fatshear. So I'm saying, I guess maybe when you start journaling, you just start ratting on yourself. 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I had a similar call with Anna Leary, the COS of Governor Gavin Newsom of California, Chief of Staff, and said that based on my TV appearances today and yesterday the governor has decided to close the schools in California as well as the bars and restaurants. When I left the White House and crossed Pennsylvania and 17th, several cars honked their horns and shouted thank you at the window. Well, people are honking in shatting today. Tony, but they're shouting something different. I like, sorry, go ahead. Well, bless Rand Paul on this one. I know we've been criticizing them recently, but we were hoping that there might be some COVID justice. And for the first time in a couple of years, we see some headway here. And this is a great setup for him coming in to give testimony on Wednesday. And I will state a bold prediction that I hope turns out not to be true, but I'm going to guess in an old fragile man who can't remember a single thing is going to be who shows up. But I'm excited to see how much how much peppy still has in his step. And to what extent he wants to combat this new narrative, especially as nobody's profiting off him or off vaccines. And he's less protected. So it will be interesting if he actually has to get grilled for hours on end and has some bad moments. Yeah, you know, I personally am a believer that it is really important for us to get as many moments like this as we can. And don't get me wrong. This guy should go to jail for the rest of his life. I mean, I almost think it's necessary for our society to heal for him and some others to go to jail over this stuff. The norm is needed. Yes. Yes. Oh, you were blatantly lied to this wrong. So there's my government. Yes. And everybody in government needs to be scared that that could happen to them too. If they go this far, there's got to be some line that you can't go over. I mean, you know, when you think about the cost of this shit and it's like we'll do. First of all, there are costs involved in the COVID tyranny that you cannot put a price on. There were how many old people died alone? How many, you know, how many, you know, women gave birth alone with a mask on, you know, like how many, how many, how many people spent their last few days isolated from their families, the things you cannot put a price on. Also, Rob, I mean, you could go look into some of the numbers of the absolute collapse in, like cancer screenings during the time of the pandemic. And there's, there's some doctors out there who have tried to put together, you know, assessments of how many people are going to die. The educational gap, dude, I mean, it was, you know, kids do bounce back in an amazing way. But it, I mean, it threw a major wrench into the childhood of tens of millions of kids in this country alone, let alone the rest of the world. I know several, some sure, almost everyone does kids who fell behind during that time period. Do the amount of economic devastation? I mean, you know, again, people do their best to try to measure these things. But there's at the bare minimum, there's tens of millions is tens of millions of small and mid-sized businesses that have closed their doors permanently that'll never be open again. Suicides and broken families and the enormous cost of all this shit. And by the way, we're still living through so much of this. I mean, so much of the inflation that we're dealing with is due to the money printing during COVID. So much of the supply chain issues that we dealt with over the last few years was that had to do with COVID. And you know, when you look at the young generation of people and they seem kind of crazy to you, also know a huge portion of that is that they grew up during COVID. I'm going to mention another more silent one, which is also less quantifiable. But I think a lot of people listening to this show are honest with themselves and know what I'm talking about. But I remember like three years after COVID sitting at home watching a movie drinking and I was like, COVID is over. Like there's no excuse for this. And I only speak for myself that like you create some forward momentum in your life and you get things going. You develop good habits and then the government sends you back back home with nothing to do and no ability to do the things that you're trying to get done or like, you know, you could just kind of been a lazy person. You finally landed a job. You're in an office or in a groove and they take that from you or your guy who never went to the gym. You're going to the gym every day. You're not allowed to go to the gym. I'm sure, I mean, you could probably even look at the numbers of like health rates in those years or alcoholism and whatnot. But I know that there's people out there that by now you should have gotten back on your feet. But you know, I bet some people I'm not the only one who picked up some bad habits over COVID that took some side took some time to shake off and you lost some momentum in your career. Yep. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, tons of people like that. I know, I know a few people I'd like real like mental episodes during COVID, you know, it was really bad for a lot of people. And, you know, the thing is that again, it's like there's something about these years where like I said, I have a tremendous amount of like respect for the people who were good on this issue, who were there alongside us who were kind of like fighting against all the tyranny in those days and a special amount of contempt for the people who were pushing the lockdowns the most aggressively. And but there's almost something about it where you're like, you know, guys, we can't just, I know there's a lot of crazy shit going on and I know I'm as guilty of anyone who's fallen for the next shiny object, especially when the next shiny object is like a disastrous war or an economic collapse or something. It's easy, but we can't just forget that this happened, you know, like it's like, I think there's something valuable in all of us remembering. And then also, you know, I mean, look, there's a little bit of a gray area there, Rob between like who was good and who was bad because as the thing went on, some people started getting good, who had been bad a lot. And I'm not even getting back to like, I don't know how we passed through exactly where it was acceptable before you started getting good. Because there's a lot of people who would try to pretend that they were against this whole thing at the time, but I'm sorry, man, like this should be a litmus test for like how you judge your favorite political commentator or what group you're in or who you listen to, like dude, this thing was fucking obvious, man. You're telling me that we got to lock down all of society over a virus that we know next to nothing about. You're telling me that like for against all, like traditional, like norms and practices, we have to quarantine the healthy. And but Rob, I mean, to find out that the guy at the time, this is how corrupt this guy was, Rob, that he funded the thing and knew it and lied through his teeth about it and then knew he was lying about the death rate about mask efficiency about all of it. And try to hear Natalie, let's play this clip because I mean, it really is something here. There's actually, I guess two that I had sent over. But let's play the first one that I had sent you with the media's coverage of Fauci to try to go back at the time. Let me see, was it one of them was a Tom Elliott one, but the other one, wait, hold on, I'm sorry, is this the yeah, okay, let's play this one. >> These single most respected voice in the pandemic, it's Dr Anthony Fauci, the man who's become known as America's doctor. The nation's top infectious disease expert, Anthony Fauci. >> You are a saint to many as a superhero. >> Dr Anthony Fauci, American hero and New York Yankee fan. >> You've done so much for this country in terms of this crisis, so I really appreciate your insight. >> Who better to give us answers that we can trust than Dr Anthony Fauci. >> A perfect person to answer our questions today, joining us now, Dr Anthony Fauci. >> Dr Anthony Fauci, appreciate your candor. >> Dr Fauci, appreciate the candor. >> We appreciate your service to this country. >> We appreciate your service, thank you for your service. >> Thank you for your service. >> >> Greatly appreciate your service to America. >> Thank you for your 37 years of service, I believe, to seven presidents and thank you for your work over the past year. >> The great news is you're sticking around in the Biden administration. We are so grateful to you, Dr Fauci, for everything you do. >> Thank you so much for everything you do. >> Thank you very much for everything that you do. >> Thanks so much for the work that you do. >> Thank you very much for the reassurance and as always for all of your public service. Thank you, Dr Fauci. >> Thank you for all your guidance this past year and it's greatly appreciated. >> Dr Fauci, on behalf of all of our viewers here in the U.S. and around the world, thanks very much for doing what you're doing. Thanks very much for joining us. Please thank your entire team as well. We are all grateful. >> Get your rest because we need you. >> You are one of the busiest scientists in the country right now. It is an honor to have some of your time to help us understand what is going on. I know a lot of people have a lot of questions, so we appreciate your time, sir. >> We need people to continue to have faith in science. So thank you for your time, sir. >> Thank you for being straight with us. Thank you for being able to come on. You will always have this show as a platform. >> So whenever you can be here, it will have you. It's always an honor to have time with you. Thanks for being here. >> Good enough for you, sir. It's good enough for me and my family. So thank you, Dr Fauci. Thank you for keeping it straight. Thank you for fighting the good fight. >> I am sincerely appreciative. You are not walking. >> All right, all right. We can get it off. I think we got the point. I forgot about that. I forgot about Chuck Todd. The moderator of Meet the Press actually went, if it's good enough for you, that is good enough for me. I will turn my brain off and defer to you now, sir. I mean, dude, look what? Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. Allow one of these people ever again to look down their nose at you or the podcaster or the conspiracy theorist or the, I think Candace Owens has gone too far. All you say, I'm having the, we need institutions with trust. All you, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. This is what they did. This is what they did when it really mattered. By the way, again, Rob, you know, I said objective journalism. What a fucking joke, Rob. What a joke that these guys call themselves journalists and they would view, Rob, again, no matter what the situation is, Rob, maybe, I'll concede this right here, okay? It's fake, so it's not much of a concession, but maybe there is a time where the correct course of action, Rob, is to shut down the world. Okay? But if ever there is a time where that's the right course of action to shut down the world and you call yourself a journalist and someone comes on to argue to you, hey, you know what I think we should do right now? Is shut down the world. You would think that you wouldn't take it upon yourself to go, well, my role as a journalist right here is to shut my brain off and not along with this guy. And if we got time at the end, probably try to kiss his ass and tell him how great I think he is. You'd probably go, we're going to be skeptical of this claim. So we're going to, we're going to have to be a little bit adversarial because that is by objectively speaking a radical step for us to take right now. You know, I'd look for a little bit more healthy skepticism than this. This is what they did, Rob, just, just vulnerable stuff. >> Well, when he said to shut down the world, I was only making a health decision and no, I wasn't taken into account if your business was shut down, what that would do for your health. And also when the decision was made, that wasn't me, it was all the other guys. And I don't know who's telling you that there was a mandate. >> Yeah, yeah. I mean, what like it's, look dude, there's one of the things, and I think one of the best things about COVID, I will say this. And I think we're still living in many ways we're living in the kind of the post-COVID reality, is that it, you know, this is what blew up the system. You know, in a lot of ways, like whatever it is, and there's benefits and costs to this, like everything else. I think the benefits far outweigh the costs. But I remember saying this around 24 during the election, where the media would be running certain games that they would try to play. And I remember just being like, you know, dude, this is not going to work anymore after COVID. You know, I got in arguments, I got in public arguments with Rob Aeswav and Michael Tracey at the time when I had said that Donald Trump winning again was going to destroy the corporate media and both of them had argued. And I understand why they made the argument that because Russia gate, they go, no, look dude, Donald Trump had, they had their biggest ratings when Donald Trump was in. You know, and I was like, yeah, dude, but they got that off Russia gate. Let them try a Russia gate now. After COVID, no one's buying it anymore, dude. And it's not, it's really not anything, nothing, delivered a blow to the legacy media and just institutions across America like COVID. Not the wars, not the reset, not the great recession, not, you know, Russia gate, nothing else did quite what COVID did. It re-aligned everything because there was nothing to kind of like, and this is the best part of it. There was nothing to wake people up to like, it's not, it's not whether you agree with this policy or disagree with this policy. It's whether you look at that montage, we just played Rob and whether you have any illusion still that you were just watching the news. That's really kind of the most important red pill is that you go, oh, what we just watched, like what do it like the blue pill perception is that that's the news. You know, they may get it right, they may get it wrong, but that's the news. Those are adults in suits and ties and they're telling you what a senator said about the Pentagon and bought like, this is the news. And then when you look at it now, just with a few years, right, Rob, we're not looking back at the 1940s from the 1980s or something like that. We're just looking back at the year 2020 from 2026. And what you look at the montage, you go, oh, this is so obvious now. That is a coordinated propaganda effort. And all of them are on the same team. All of them know exactly what we're doing. They're not there to interview Dr. Fauci and get the latest information about the virus, Rob. This is WWF. They're there to get him over. In the same way that if I'm a wrestler, if you're Andre the giant and you're fighting Hulk Hogan, your job isn't simply, you know, it's like your job is to help get Hulk Hogan over and take all the energy you used to have as the biggest baddest wrestler and now give it to him. Like that's clearly what they're doing for him here. This is an op. This is propaganda. And that is kind of the essence of why everyone is now getting their, all the young people are now getting their information from podcasters and not all these guys. You know, it's because of what happened here with COVID. Yep. And I'm looking forward to this. I think it's a Wednesday showdown to see what comes of it. I can't wait. I can't wait. It's always, there's nothing. Ram Paul at his best is when he's grilling Fauci in these hearings and I am, I am with you, Rob. I think we might be seeing an old, we might be seeing a Robert Mueller come Wednesday. So very interested to see how this ends up going down. And of course, there is, you know, I guess there's something nice about getting the band back together, seeing all the anti, you know, COVID restriction people speak up about this. And I hope they continue to because like we, we should never let this go. And you know, if you remember, Rob, there was that piece in, what was it in time magazine? Maybe it was the Atlantic. I can't remember. But there was, I think it was the Atlantic, actually. But there was the piece about like a, a COVID, what's the word I'm looking for? You know, like a, like a, get out of jail free card, like a COVID, blank, you know, a pardon or something like a blank slate. It's like, Hey, let's all just move on. We were like, no, I don't think we're quite ready to move on. Look, it's not about like always like torturing your uncle or your aunt, more likely your aunt, who got it wrong on COVID. But it's like on some national level, like, no, there needs to be accountability for this. And who better to be accountable than the guy who has made the face of the whole thing? Who literally said that disagreeing with him was disagreeing with truth and science? All right. Let's start with that guy and, and yeah, find your legal, find the legal way to get around the Biden pardon. >> Yeah, Rand Paul has put up an argument that it was too broad. I mean, the administration dropped the auto pen stuff and I got to be honest, whether or not Fauci sits in jail. I don't really care. Let's find him guilty. Let's expose the story. >> Yeah, let's let everyone know what exactly happened. Let's let him sit through the public shaming and let the whole world. >> 100% >> There's plenty of individuals who are in in line with him. I bet DeBora Birx is one of them. That other head of the NIH, whose name I can ever remember, has the mustache also. >> What's the guy saying? >> No, not mustache lady. >> I'm Blake. >> I know who you're. >> That's one of the partners. >> I remember the part, yes. >> Whatever, there's other characters who did not receive pardon, so go ahead and prosecute those guys. And if you really want to cleanse the system, do a massive overhaul about how much government money is being spent on this grant system, that every institution that had all the science and knowledge that could have debunked this in real time was just in lockstep with the government narrative, because that's where the money was. And let's also investigate, because Rand Paul, I mean Rand Paul asked Fauci about this and never got a straight answer. But people at the NIH can have patents on medicines that they're then approving and getting payouts for, or even patents on bad medicine that they would like to push government policy to implement, because they are still making money in the private sector off of that. Fauci claimed he had made like pennies or something, acknowledged that it was true, but wouldn't really give any answer. So, he's acknowledged that it was true, and then said for example, one check was for 14 cents. You're like, okay, but what about the other ones? Like, yeah, like, all right. But I think the starting point is if the masses were made aware of the fact that all of COVID was a lie from Fauci, then I think you could have enough interest, or, and I don't even think it's this party, but you could have people running the next time. I think there's going to be a big lane for running for public privacy. Well, how about this, dude? You know, like, listen, don't get me wrong. This is purely a thought experiment, because obviously Donald Trump isn't a great leader who cares about anything other than himself. I feel like how about if Donald Trump had just given a dress to the nation of everything we have here, and he goes, listen, guys, this isn't about left or right. We need to understand how this guy didn't just get things wrong. He was lying. And imagine this would make it 10 times more powerful. We go, and I got it wrong too. And he fooled me. And I should not have kept this guy. I should not have kept this guy on the job the whole time, but he really did lie to us about all of this. I'm just saying, obviously that would never happen because we're dealing with Donald Trump. Well, I'm not telling you. Forget even the levels of government, forget the law, forget the justice system. Imagine what good that could do for the country to just understand what just happened to us here. The reason Donald Trump won't do that is because then it will raise massive questions about on the Iran War. If he also has faulty advice, and he's bad at management and realizing that he's got bad people in his court giving him bad advice. Yes, but that is the truth there. Rob now isn't it? But yes, you're right. He probably won't admit that. All right. Thank you very much for listening. Come check us out on the road. Comment, Dave Smith dot com, porch tour dot com. Catch you next time. Peace.