Project Mocking Gnome w/ Deborah Jaffe | FILE_08 | Mystery Boys

(upbeat music) - Well, hello, I'm Kirk Lookman, Tuckfeld Defines contractor and founder and CEO of Susan Horn, as well as Turkish Delight with me, as always, is my associate. - Grazer John, I am a sex therapist suffering from long COVID. - I didn't know that. - Oh, yeah, it's fucked up. - Is it not getting any better? - No. - Oh, that sucks. - No. - I know you were a part-time ice agent as well for a bit, did it affect that? - I thought that would help. One of my friends said, join ice, and it might help your long COVID. - My teen, I tried expressing my teen. - Oh, I've heard of that. Will you express it? - Yeah, I did not. - You don't call it, it's expressing your gland. Your anal gland. - Well, I mean, if you wanna get scientific. - You prostate, I do. - I'm a scientist, as you know. - Yeah, everyone knows. Yeah, well, okay, we're gonna do it. I guess we're doing it. It's fucking Neil DeGrasse Tyson here now. - I don't mean to whip out my brain dick, but. - I was squeezing my anal gland as I was instructed by my shaman, and a lot of stuff did come out, but I don't know if it was COVID. - It's exactly what a shaman for it. I worked for a while before I got an attack as a doula for men expressing a bowel movement. I was a poop doula for dudes. - God bless you, man. - I hold a guy's hand. - Doing the Lord's work. - I have him breathe, you know? - Yeah, a lot of blood, a lot of screams, but it's natural. - You gotta walk him through it. - It's like getting in the handicap bathroom with that nice handrail. - I think Elvis would still be alive. - Well, I don't endorse this group, okay? And this is kind of a perversion on what I do. What I do is a really a form of shamanism, and I don't know, Duncan, you probably know this, but the actual way of pronouncing that, a shaman, they're actually a shaman, it's called. - Shaman, that's the correct name. - You mean you're saying this as a poop doula, it's shaman, like the toilet paint. - So I went to do ayahuasca, and you know, what happens when you do ayahuasca, you're gonna projectile at one side of the other. Well, probably both. And that's why you go to a shaman. - Yeah. - Because they will hold your hair back and wipe your ass when you projectile shit and diarrhea in a tin shack, because you just paid a Puerto Rican 10 gram to feed you, boys. - Totally worth it, and they hold you down. Because one of the-- - There you go, that's the one. - But when you-- - Jim Chanin. - He's intergalactic, he's-- - I want to go the best. - See, one of the things that happened to me when I was taking the medicine is I had explosive diarrhea. - There it is. - And I projectile vomited, and it makes you spin like a top on the floor, and they will stop the spinning. Look at that, man. - Okay, I don't even, this is like what they call synchronicity. They told me this would happen after my ayahuasca trip. But that's literally, okay, I remember I was always just a cannon in that hut, and I look up, and I'm like, oh, you know, I'm ashamed, I look up, and there was the shaman. - Yep. - So that's his face, looking at what I did. - Yeah, you're purging, man. That's what you want to see when you're puking right there. - Yeah, I mean, what, I can't see what it says there, 'cause of my, what does it say on the caption under his, Monica, his name is Monica-- - Now, that's the photographer, Monica Schwartz. - I think his name was Monica Schwartz if I'm not wrong. - I'm pretty sure that's the photographer. Jim Chanin is one of the most eclectic, colorful, creative, larger than life beings. I know, sometimes you can even expand a bit out there, but what he brings back from out there is pretty amazing. What the fuck is this? - Yeah. Oh, let's see, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop. Let's just see some of these titles, 'cause it's a very social architect, eco-warrior, environmental steward, storyteller and poster-- - The prankster, he'll get you. - Sure. - Show, he will get you. He will get you, and you take the medicine, he will get you. He dresses up like a mantis being sometimes and comes out like-- - Well, he does him, oh, he is a prankster. - Oh, no, he'll get you. - I thought I was talking to a mantis. - I know, I did too. - He told me to insist that my wife get circumcised. - Yeah. - And I thought he took it as cosmic wisdom. - Yep. - Well, boy. - Did you, I hope you didn't do it? - Well, I mean, my wife, William, something. - Okay. Here's some business, some housekeeping, okay? The top of your hold on, let me just rub my sunstone real quick. (humming) - Oh, wait, I have a sunstone, that's the first. If you remember. - The practitioner must prepare their semen by mixing it with a glowing sunstone. - Oh, fuck! - This also-- - Oh, no. Did you not bring that damn stone? - No, I'm trying to find the card. - Oh, here it is, thank God. 'Cause it came with a card, this sunstone. - Nice. - Dear curb, I am honored, and that is underlined. To work with you, I am in it for the truth. Best, mystic mark, mark my Nephilim assistant on the door with curb. - Yeah, it's great. - Seven foot tall guy, real thin. It's the, I mean, he's not fully human. That's on anyone could, I blurt it right in his face when I saw, best mystic mark. - P.S., the sunstone is in the yellow bag. I'm sure enough, there was a sunstone in this bag. - Oh, what the fuck is shit? - Yeah, do you remember the Libre VK? - How could I forget? - Yeah, my girl, my fifth wife Jenna said, "I had to stop listening to the episode 'cause it was so gross." - It's crazy people think that's gross. - Well, it's just tech stuff. - I mean, yeah, what else is gross? - Yeah, like, why are we gonna use words like gross? - Well, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, this is why I'm bringing it up. And before the sunstone, remember when you were saying that gnomes are dicks and I, what happens? I need to know what happens before the sunstone. The sunstone. - I will tell you, you know, okay, I'll tell you. - Why do you have a gnom issue? - Here's, I never met a gnom, I wouldn't call it an issue. - Okay. - And to be fair, I've encountered one gnom, so to judge all gnomes by this encounter, I think could be viewed as a form of cryptid bigotry. But also, after I encountered a gnom, I was reading about other gnom encounters and as it turns out, gnomes are dicks. It's not just meat, but what app it is? - I know gnom chops, he's a success. - You know, honestly, I don't know if the name, you know, sometimes they say the name defines the person. Maybe that's what happened to him. But this was years and years ago, I had come upon some penis envy mushrooms. Have you ever heard of these before? - Yes, but I don't know what they are. - So penis envy mushrooms, they're-- - You may like Elliott, what's this? Juneau, you may be like the guy who played Juneau. - When you take mushrooms, your liver metabolizes the psilocybin into something called psilocybin. - Oh, hold on, hold on, leave it right there. The penis envy mushroom is a highly potent, cultivated strain of the psychedelic psilocybin Cubanand Cubensis species named for its phallic appearance, characterized by a thick bulbous stem in a small cap. Oh, I feel like that sounds familiar. It is priced. Like your guy was late for football practice and grabbed the smaller players helmet. You know, when you buy drugs-- - Like a tube of toothpaste. - When you buy drugs, inevitably the person selling you the drugs will tell you they're the most powerful things you ever took and you hear that after a lifetime of drug use, you're like, all right, whatever. And so I went up to this like retreat place up in L.A. with a girl who, it never taken mushrooms. And I'm like, you know, all right, well, let's take mushrooms together up here. This is for how grizzly man ended. - Dude, this is, it was very embarrassing 'cause I'm like, you know, giving you all this fucking, like, you know, the psychedelic hubris is so noxious and I was doing it back then. - What is psychedelic hubris? - It's best encapsulated in the song "Are You Experience" by Jimmy Hendrix, which is every piece of shit who's like trying to explain to you before they make you trip that you're gonna like open their mind and blow their mind. It's basically like, the mushroom is doing the work. You're just giving someone drugs and then they take it and it will expand your consciousness. But it's essentially a kind of hubris people who take psychedelics, exhibit, which is they're invulnerable. So yeah, I don't know, I took these penis envy mushrooms and because they have so much silicent in them, they kick in much faster than regular mushroom. So it was within 10 minutes. - Really? - Like a blue chew of mushrooms? - Blue chew of mushrooms. - And it was horrible, 'cause I remember looking-- - Now my dick is jealous. - I was looking at my hand. Like suddenly my hand just starts like spaghettifying and swirling, and I've been building myself up as some kind of fucking like psychedelic expert. I heard a voice in my head. - There's a gnome, wasn't it? - It wasn't a gnome. It said we are the eternal protectors of the universe, and we are gonna do deep work on you today. And I was just there to, I wanted to have sex on mushrooms. I'm hearing voices, it was wild, and so-- - Did you fuck or not? - We did. - Oh, okay. - But way after, because what happened is she was fine. She's sitting by a tree. - Oh, she a gnome? - What? No, no, no. - I'm sitting. - Did you fucking gnome? - I had-- - You could tell me if you did. - Dude. - It's not gross. They're not attractive. But basically, you know, this was like, what I expected to be a regular kind of like fun mushroom trip, which was suddenly a apocalyptic mushroom trip. I was sitting. - Oh, you know what? - They don't look like that. - Oh. - They don't look like that, I'm sorry to say. - I mean, honestly, that's, I might do that. - Well, of course you would. Any, any, any heterosexual man in this right mind would be happy to bink love to that gnome. - You wouldn't. - That's a gift from the nature. - Yeah, that's a fat little fat whore gnome, isn't it? (laughing) - Yeah, that is a big BBG. - Big, beautiful gnome. - Pog of a gnome. - Fucking hot. Listen up! Starting a business is a big deal. People often think it's gonna be a nightmare fueled by figuring out a code, design, and process payments. What's really surprising is how much simpler Shopify made the entire process with Shopify's templates and AI tools, getting a site that not only looks legit, but operates smoothly as well within reach. 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Which is like, of course, you see this on mushrooms. Like from the gnome cartoon as a kid? The shit you see in your grandma's yard. Did he have that though? Dude, basically the same outfit, but it's like, you know, it looked real. It didn't look like me. It looked like hand woven clothes. Stand it on a tree. Standing on a tree limb watching the sunset. And, you know, I tried the tricks I have for when I'm tripping and see shit like that, which is usually you look away. You look back. Is that the trick? It's gone. You know, 'cause it's a projection of time. You're still there. Still fucking there. And so now I'm having to contend with like, oh my God, like you're seeing like some kind of entity that looks like a gnome. And then I realized that because I could see him, he knew that I could see him. And he, he's just like, it's like he came out of the tree to watch the sunset and he fucking looks at me. And you know, it's like your mushrooms are thinking they're gonna be sweet or there's gonna be some lesson. But it was, he didn't, he looked at me with just, I don't know, he nagged at me. It was just this look of like fuck off. Like he didn't want me to see it, didn't like humans, clearly thought I sucked. Humans sucked. - Why are you saying that? - You just get that. It was like, I don't know, you know when like a snobby grumpy old dude just kind of looks at you like fuck off and goes back to watch the sunset. - Yeah, well, yeah, so, so many-- - That's no joke. That summarizes it. Like they're grumpy. They don't like humans. They don't like, they didn't, he didn't like that I could see it. - It's like a, he's like a gnome Ben Gavir. - Yes, dude, he's just a prick. Like it was just like a-- - Ben Gavir next to this gnome. There you go. I saw him standing on a tree branch, looking at me like I was less than human. - It was really wild, man. And it was fucking wild. - It is. - It's a shame that your handsome man says such terrible things, isn't it? - Can we pull up the gnome picture? - Yeah, no, please. We're not talking about cryptids right now. We're talking about something Dunkin' Saw. - I'm just trying to avoid to go into a 30 minute, fucking Israel rant. - Well, it's like a big foe. He doesn't even say such a thing. - But this was, this is, I don't know. I mean, it was a hallucination, but then when you look up, look up gnome characteristics. - Did he ever take off his shoes? Did you see if he had shoes? - Come on, dude, you know what? I wish what would happen that day. But he kept his shoes on. I love to see that. - Do you think he had to stay in because he could see what you were into? - He knew I wanted to suck that little gnome's feet. - Yeah. - Up there on the tree. - And he was like, you'll never get these tutsies in your mouth. - Yeah, pull it up. - Wait, so did you do so much so I've been that you're fifth density into the, you can see how this is. - Oh, honestly, when I heard the fifth density stuff because it was after seeing the gnome that these like, I don't know, like weird, elf-like entities started swimming through my body. Like it was a swimming. - Yo, they love that shit. - I hated it. It was fucking horrible. And like, it was horrible. They were like these, they were super intelligent but they had that, they were like toddlers and they were just thought it was funny. I'm praying. I'm saying, please God help me. Please God help me. I could hear them mocking me. Going, please God help him. Please God help him. - Oh yeah. - Oh dude, it was terrifying. It was terrifying. It was just one of the most intense trips I've ever had. But it started off with singing gnome. - And the gnome said, yeah, well, you're not supposed to look at him. They don't like it. - Well, I think it was just more like, they just looked down on humans. They just think we're idiots. Like it was just more like, they think of us as dangerous, like monkeys basically. - Yeah, I know all those little stupid fucking, let me tell you something about these little fucking space alien outside of dimension creatures and fuck. By the way, fuck gnomes dude. I'll say it. I didn't know I was supposed to say it, but I'll say it out loud. - I mean, if you look at me, I got a son stone. - People will confirm that. - Well, I wish a fucking gnome would come to my house when I put this son stone in a calf. Well, you know how it comes. - Just realized you got a son stone, right there. - Yeah, right around my neck, a valuable son stone. - Does it feel, can you feel the power of that son stone? - No, I can't kind of open it. I was hoping to get Tanner's slender fingers to open this package. - Do you think it's-- - Tanner, you might need you to reach one of your thin, thin fingers into this bag. - I think it's the sack is protecting you from the energy or does it have to be, like, imbued with power? Is this a son stone, you have to actually do something. It's just a rock. - I dress my penis up like a gnome and they can't tell the difference. (laughing) - I'm walking up and seeing these things have a conversation with my dick. - It's the kind of trojans I do by is gnome size. - You might do. - I'm not ashamed of that. - What if that was a brand of gondom, gnome? - All right, well, that's a pro, that's maybe merch to think about later. - Nome, deluxe gnome. - Earthsp-- (laughing) - Nome deluxe. Flavored. - No, no, I'm sorry, I meant like a gnome skin condom. I want to skin some gnome. (laughing) - I would love to wear it. - Well, I gotta tell you, drunk in that story, told me got me fired up against gnome pretty much. - Well, look up like gnome and count. - First of all, you little two foot thing with a stupid white beard. It just wasn't what I expected, you know? - I mean, it sounds like he exactly what I expected. - They're grumpy. - You know, that's a little more than grumpy. - Maybe it was just this gnome though. I don't know, you can't like, oh look, what's the deal with all the gnome sightings? What the fuck? Can you open that up, please? - Yeah, one year ago. - In fact. (laughing) - Look who it is, your friend. - Who, Andy Kenler? my friend Annie Killer we haven't spoken well because of COVID and Jimmy and him. Oh no. I didn't know that. He looks damn though since last time I see. Yeah. There you get state of the union for comedy. Oh yeah. Guy rules. He's such like like Newman from Seinfeld. This feels hello give year. Hello Jeffrey. He looked uh turned up shoes at one of them pointy red Yomarkers. That's a that's an extended Yomarker. Oh is that right? And they're flavored. No they make those over there. No I want I want known stuff. They make you think they're real. They're out there. First of all they're misspelling gnome. It's got to be at the end like a gnome. gnome button. These are gnome skin condoms like lamb skin. But flavored. So I want to see a skin to gnome. Yeah you got to put skin on there. No skin condoms and you got to make it look like the skeleton of a gnome or like a deep deep skin. They're smaller pores than lamb skin so that's why it's better protection. Way better. You know. Way better. There we go finally. Now you got it. Okay. Wow that looks better than I thought it would. Okay so let's get those made up. That's good. Mystery boy's gnome skin. And here's the thing. Come actually can get through a gnome skin. That's why you want it. It's just like yeah it's three make it feel like you have a four skin again. Yeah. It's come goes right through them. In fact a lot of gnome skin condoms don't have any. Well pretty soon you'll be blessed with a gnome but put it that way. That's exactly right. No skin condoms. No magic in your baby. Yeah. No they're just to recreate having a four skin. You know or as a. That's brilliant. Do they have that? Well you can do with gnome skin. Can you look up recreate. Can you is there like a prosthetic to know what it's like. Okay we're gonna let's take a leak and then find a prosthetic. For real don't you treat it to me. Now you see if it's there. My dick's turtle back that was cruelly peeled away. Okay we'll come back to that. We're back. We're back to strokeers. Okay that isn't always come back. It's called more me prosthetic. Okay wait let's okay we'll come back to that. Oh dude that is a sad stack of dicks. Now those look like dog treats. Those other more me. I mean those really look like dog treats. Look at those various flavors. Yeah they just look like what do they call them? There's salmon. Pigs in a blanket. Ostrich. Um okay. Trim to fit. I like to get a bespoke force against it. That's great. Oh just more of me to love. I think they're saying you got a trim it. I'm trying to lose dick weight to fit into my size for it. There's the trimming guide. You know what I mean once I reach my target dick weight I'll be in the one of those. But as you know penile obesity affects a lot of people. That's why I'm on ozemic. Yeah for my god. It's but I put I inject ozemic right into my dick. Oh my god. Mine looks like who's that fat guy that wrapped at the super bowl? I mean just like size wise my dick looks like Dave Bluntz. He's got an oxygen tube around the tip. Yeah. Yeah. You know they look at it just sitting there. It can't stop singing. I can't. Oh purple stuff. That's the name of my penis. Purple stuff. But they're really confessing a lot on this episode. But your penis is happy. He seems happy. Uh, happy once I get a young fatted calf and use this sunstone if you know what I'm saying. We got to open that sunstone after this car. I'll paint that picture in your head. Okay. Okay. Let's okay. Sorry. I thought it was um or guest. Yeah. Okay. Ready? Do we see you have um Deborah Jaffe on the? Yes. I can call her right now. Okay. So yeah. So I'll let her explain to you Duncan, her family thing and it's uh, I forget how I got reference Deborah Jaffe. But I get all kinds of contacts. How did you get her as a contact? Dude. I don't even know. Hello. Hi, Deborah. Hey. Okay. So uh, this is Kurt and Duncan. How are you doing? And uh, hi guys. So okay. I was trying to explain the your back story of Duncan. I was having a hard time with it because I'm very stupid. So just explain because does this do a mockingbird media? And I feel it ties directly into with these MK Ultra hearings personally. Well, just to give Duncan a rough overview of your of your story. Okay. Um, so my dad, um, Sam Jaffe, not to be confused with the actor Sam Jaffe, uh, who played Gungardin and the movie Gungardin and his, that was my dad's uncle. What kind of name is that? Jaffe. It's uh, in Hebrew, it means beautiful. So it's Jewish. Um, my dad's father's family was from Ukraine from Odessa. Oh, um, and my, and my dad's, uh, Glenn mother was a famous Dita Shakhtarist named, um, Ada Jaffe, who taught Milton Burrow, uh, comedy as a kid in Lower East Side in New York. But by the way, Duncan, you know, milked the stilt burrow. You know, Milton Burrow was supposed to have a huge, enormous, nor do you ever hear that? It's like a friar's club room. I don't know. I heard that, but I haven't heard that before. They didn't call him milked the stilt, but I made that up when I told you. No, but I have heard that. Like he has thousands of kids and, uh, no, did you ever go to the friar's club? I went once. It's like the illuminati of God stand up. You know, go look at their gym. That's not the illuminati. You ever seen the, you want to get depressed? Go to the friar's club. They want to tell you a story to go to sleep and then you wake up in a tub of ice and you're missing a kidney and he comes. Uncle Melty fills you up to see for your organs. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. So, so my dad was born in San Francisco. Um, he, uh, became, um, and when he was in, uh, World War II as a merch marine, um, in his teens and then he went to Korea. Um, and when he was 19 years old, he wrote a letter to the FBI, which is in my dad's documents. That's why I know about this, um, saying he wanted to be an FBI agent. Um, and, um, but he was going into journalism. He had already started writing in high school. But so he, so this is the sort of giant overview. Okay. Um, he got himself, uh, to New York City, became a UN correspondent. Um, he was working for Life Magazine and CBS Time Life and, uh, which is a full like CIA, you know, operation. Um, he didn't know this. The vice of its time. Yeah. And, yeah, and exactly. And this is like night or 1950s. Um, and then he, uh, he gets hired by CBS and to cover the Francis Gary Powers trial, um, which was a U2 spy plane. That was a huge embarrassment for the United States. It was shot down over Russia, you know, it was an amazing story. Yeah. Um, he, he goes over with CBS and, um, he, uh, instead of being into very few journalists, at that point, ABC News didn't even have a bureau in Moscow. But, um, so he was working with CBS as an assistant to the main correspondent, but he gets sat next to Barbara Powers, Gary Powers wife. And, um, he, anyway, so that there's a whole affair situation there. Um, he gets hotel rooms adjoining with Barbara Powers. Uh, she hated her husband. Um, and it, you know, Gary Powers was supposed to commit suicide, um, but he didn't. Wait, who is Gary Powers and Barbara Powers? So Gary Powers. So Gary Powers was a pilot. He was CIA pilot. Uh, during the time when, um, we, did your dad bang his wife? Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I, holy shit. Okay. Um, wow. What happened was right before he left for Moscow, a guy met with him and said, which was supposedly got leaped from Sydney got leaped. Yeah. Yeah. Sydney got leaped, who was this, you know, maniac, scientist, uh, given free reign. And he, so he met with my dad, saying that he wanted, um, him to, my dad to see if he could notice any brainwashing by Francis Gay powers because he'd been held now with the Russians. And he was supposed to commit suicide. This is what was kicking off the, the, uh, my control race beside the Korean war in this, uh, in the Korean war too, which is interesting because things could have started then. Wait, what do I'm sorry? What do you mean you, you was supposed to commit suicide? Oh, so, so when you're caught, if you're a C.A. agent. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Doing a spot, doing this, this, the YouTube's by playing with the latest technology. It still is, you know, but, um, so, and that the, what there's another idea that possibly this supposed to be peace conference between Ken Eisenhower and, um, Khrushchev. And that was going to be in Paris shortly at the right before the powers, you know, playing got shot down. And this trial ended up canceling the peace conference. And it, there are ideas that possibly Hoover and other people in the government like Delas didn't want peace between the Russians and the Americans because then what? Then we need an enemy, right? So, and then, you know, and then, you know, JFK came in shortly after that and tried to stop, you know, the nuclear power, the nuclear missile crisis and all that and try and, anyway, so, so my dad covers it, but right before he left for Moscow and he did, he was interested in Asia, so he didn't really understand what this guy's meeting him in a coffee shop in New York City saying, I want you to keep your eyes on, you know, anyway, so then, then he looked back afterwards and was like, wait, and so then that's probably why I was sat next to Mrs. Powers, who was ended up being a raging alcoholic, supposedly Gary Powers was gay. Um, at this time, Wow, who could have thought a man named Gary Powers would turn out to be the most gay porn name I've ever heard in the spy plane program. I need to watch. There's a book and then the movie The Bridge of Spies, which my dad has mentioned, and then for Spielberg made a total farce of that making Spielberg. Yeah. So in, but in during that, that book was based on something nothing, nothing interesting compared to what the real story was, but, you know, then the Russians gave us three America, three spies, the KGB spies for Gary Powers, which was also like another loss for America. And so anyway, but while my dad's at that, he's on the same airplane and the other journals, like what the hell, then he's sitting next to Barbara Powers, then they have an adjoining hotel room in Moscow. And he's hiding her alcohol like bottles of alcohol because she's an alcoholic, she's self-medicating. And she's supposed to be representing, you know, this wife of an American, you know, hero at that point. Yes. So there's a lot of pressure. Anyway, that's, and so then he, my dad, you know, covers the trial to giant embarrassment. And even the Russians to toy with the Americans had sent pieces of supposedly the plane, the you know, the U.S. spy plane, which was like a billion dollar project, you know, to the Americans and the American, we were like, but they actually sent a Russian plane just to toy with even more. Right. So that then we said, so we just said giant embarrassment for America, right? We were spying. And so there is an idea that, you know, this was a false flag. Like they purposely, you know, that's why he lived. He got shot down. You know, this is for the Americans. Right. So anyway, so long. So then he comes back to New York and then, and then another guy meets him and says, you're going to be going to Moscow to open the beer for ABC News. You're dead. What? Yeah. And then two seconds later, he gets this, you know, job to say, hey, do you want to go open? Because ABC News was like the third tier news agency in those points like the 1961. So the, you know, the power trial was 19, I think 59, 1960. Hey, wait, I forgot one question. How was he supposed to have taken his own life if caught? Was it like he had a coin? You can see Gary Power's son, Gary Pash Jr. has a whole like museum dedicated to it. But so he had a coin, like a metal, you know, a coin with a little sign I'd needle in it. And he was supposed to puncture himself and then he would have died it. Wow. Wow. Look at that. You know, oh, that's wild. Shit. Yeah. So so anyway. So then my dad, well, he's like, okay, I'm a young journalist, you know, why I might as well go. He was born in 1929. So he's 19 when he wrote a letter to the now it's like, yeah, yeah, later, you know, and then he's in his early 20s. And he opens my jury. Okay. So I skipped a point in the, he became a UN correspondent in New York after Life Magazine. And that's where he was meeting with the FBI. And they were, they'd like meet in a coffee shop. And he was meeting a lot of Russians. He was really funny. You know, he had the Vaudeville and comedy and acting, you know, zero nostalgia was a friend of my great uncles and really Ray Bradbury and John Houston was the best friend. And yeah, there's like, so my dad grew up in this kind of, you know, Vaudeville, Hollywood. You know, but really amazing. Stravinsky, you know, really interesting Jewish art culture. So my dad was, you know, had a sense of humor. He was funny. Anyway, so he starts meeting. Well, I've got all these documents from the FBI and they've been following him. Everything's from directly to Hoover. So this is, you know, flash forward to 2022 when I'm reading all these documents that were released and then more released in 2025. And they started following my father in their 50s. And then to develop him as a double agent or a sleeper agent, I didn't know this. What does that mean? Like, like, huh? Well, this is where they're like kind of MK ultra kind of stuff comes in. Okay. They did a huge, you could go to the FBI vault and just type in Sam Jaffey. And then there's a whole 587 documents. But still, a ton is redacted. Anyway, it's a hard story to tell because it's kind of, but anyway, so my dad, my dad started meeting with the FBI in the 50s and was an informant unpaid. But he was, you know, it's a cold war. And he watched his uncle and his uncle's friends get blacklisted during McCarthyism. Okay. So he was like, I'm going to I'll tell you what I, I find, you know, at the UN when I'm meeting these other UN diplomats from Russia. But of course, they were all really spies. There was no regular, you know, lots of diplomats in those days were spies American and Russian. Yeah. So, so he he started meeting with the FBI and then they started doing extensive background checks on my dad, his first wife, my dad's parents, his first wife's parents, blah, blah. So it's a fascinating thing when you can read all this stuff where they're following him around. They don't know if they can trust my dad, but they're like, he God, he's doing really well. He's meeting all these people. He, you know, he seems to be a loyal American who wants to, you know, maybe we can use him. Right. So, um, so, uh, so was he trying to bust comedy? Like this is my question. The reason they would accuse them of being so veer some was because he was either because of McCarthy hearings. I didn't realize the backstory of that. But there was a plot from the communist. And um, it was actually kind of a democrat thing to, uh, that's one of Roy Cone sitting on, right, where Roy Cone becomes prominent. So, like, what's really hard for me to figure out is, I know they're Hoover. That's when, and Roy Cone and them, that's when they begin this kind of like, uh, blue hotel room. What's it called? Uh, you know, where they're doing. It's only gay black male that's still to this day. Yeah. Um, supposedly they, they watched each other of sex and so, yeah. So, would Sam Jaffee be a spy, like, for the FBI on the CIA or for the Soviets on, like, or some faction. I'm not clear. Like, what? Yeah. My dad, my dad, Sam Jaffee, yeah, he was an informant for both, but unknowingly and no one knowingly. Um, there was even a point in the 50s when, when the FBI was like, hey, you know, now we're like, you know, we got this guy. He seems amazing. He's a journalist, perfect cover. We were desperate for, you know, spies to go over to Russia. Um, and so he started to get to know a few Russians at the UN. They had him throw parties for the Russians, uh, then his wife, who was, her name is, uh, Phoebe or, um, she came from a rich, the, uh, Beaumont family, which is made company. Anyway, she was the Jewish woman, um, but had a lot of money, I think, was excited by my dad, you know, meeting my dad in New York and getting married and having two kids, but um, Ben she got kind of bored and she was also a little crazy. So she, she starts threatening to tell the KGB that my dad is working with the FBI. And then there's documents saying that the FBI is like, wait, what are we going to do with your out of control wife? And then they're like, my dad's like, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Well, that's a really Yentub. Yeah. Well, and then they say, you know what, we can just put her in a mental institution. Oh, oh, they got it. Whoa. Yeah, the FBI was like ready to put her in a mental institution. Wow. We do it all the time. Yeah. So, so then my dad divorces her, um, get sent to Moscow becomes ABC bureau chief in Moscow during the Cuban Missile Crisis during the Kennedy assassination. He's reporting. He's getting to know more Russians. He's compromised three times. So this is 1961 to 1965, three car accidents with, you know, Russian woman slash constitutes slash whatever. Then there's another car accident where he was drunk and hit a guy and it was set up. The one with the woman, there was a Charlie Sheena secret agent. Is that what I'm to tell you? Yeah, that's exactly. Anyway, so I don't know. I couldn't believe I'm like, my dad's like such an idiot, but he was set up for these and he kept going back right directly to the, you know, American embassy. I'm sorry to cut you off. Did you? Did you? When do you remember in your childhood? Did you ever have a car accident with your dad? Uh, yeah, we did. It was a horrible driver. It's not like James Bond to the movie. Wait, so is it? Yeah, it's a little like James Bond, but it's not. Yeah. Well, there's a man sure he candidate aspect to it. Yes. Okay, wait, I have to run the bathroom, but okay, don't get, but, um, okay, I want to hear this. You want to go to the bathroom? I can hold on. Yeah, let me go because I just do it here. Well, you wear that mask and bulge you. Yeah. And then you, we bought that four-skinned sleeve. Do it here. You can't imagine what a dunk in his dress like right now. Hey, thanks for coming on the show. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for having me. I've been trying to figure this stuff out like almost my head. What a, what a, what an intense father to have. You know, like how many kids would fantasize about their dad being a spy, like it's cool, but you have the actual thing. I mean, that's pretty scary. How old were you when you found out that you was more than a journalist? It was my whole childhood. We ended up suing the FBI on the CIA under the Freedom Information Act and my dad was represented by the ACLU and that started in the early 70s. I was born in 65 in Moscow. Wow. And so my whole childhood, my dad, well, so he worked at as a bureau chief for ABC News and then we got ousted. We got kicked out of Moscow in 65 when I was eight and a half months old and we went to Hong Kong and he covered Vietnam for ABC News bureau chief based in Hong Kong, but covering Vietnam. And then we got kicked out of Hong Kong and came to Washington DC in 1969. Four. And that's when these rumors started coming out. By British intelligence, actually a British intelligence agent told my dad that he's got some problem and goes, what? Okay, so I'll wait till Kurt gets back. This is a question you probably want to ask. If you had to guess how many addresses did you have in your childhood? How many times did you move? We actually ended up only moving like a few times. You ended up in DC? We ended up in, yeah, Bethesda, Maryland. We first DC at a building in Chevrolet Chase, which was full of spies called the Irene, which now I and even Kennedy's secretary lived there. I mean, it is just everywhere you look, there is just another fascinating, crazy story that you could not make up like you literally, you know, but isn't Bethesda, Maryland like notoriously like a hotbed of intelligence? Yeah, yeah, yeah, DC Virginia, you know, the DMV, DC, Virginia, Maryland. Yeah. And yes, stuff didn't get really bad. And my dad was like supposed to be, you know, following in like Walter Cronkite's footsteps, Ted Coppel took over for my dad in Hong Kong, but he's back. Sorry, couldn't find my headphones. Okay, okay, so okay, so I know it's a lot to take in, but so in Moscow, you know, he's doing really well is on the news all the time reporting, you know, ABC news from Moscow. Yeah, he would come back on these tours and they'd have these with other journalists, you know, discussing the, you know, the world news and stuff. And, and he was really doing well. Meanwhile, he was still reporting, but you had to, not only was he, you know, reporting back to the FBI and the CIA. So we're every other journalist, you know, that's exact. Yeah, wait, so is that mocking bird? Is that they were all in on it? Yeah, well, Mockingbird started out with just two journalists, but now it's kind of been applied to the whole idea of, yeah. So, and I think what my dad's problem is is he was being used. And then he, and then well, in Vietnam, he started, I have letters, he's writing to my mom, he's writing articles, then they're not ABC, I mean, ABC's not airing his news articles about CIA drug issues, you know, in like importing and exporting drugs out of Vietnam and drugging all the soldiers and, you know, all the, and then he's going to be in Vietnam. My dad was like, they don't understand us. He went into the Ho Chi Minh Trail. I tried to find that. And he was trying to get a visa to North Vietnam. And they actually pulled it. And at this point too, he finds out that there's a secret bank account that ABC has in New York, that's because he called about some receipts to be in reimburse. And then they're like, we don't have this account. Like ABC accounting was like, no, you know, and then he's like, well, I'm getting money from this other account. And so this looks like the CIA was paying ABC to keep my dad. That's how they do it to this day. They still do that. And then they go, no, we didn't ever pay the money, but they gave it. That's why Rachel Maddow wish you go, no, I don't get paid by Big Farman and Raytheon, but no, it goes like the whole news hit channel. Their money's coming from those places. So like that's why Anderson Cooper got so much money during COVID and all these people. They're all mockingbird fucking spies. All of them. Yeah. And, you know, I'm just a Cooper did work as I didn't turn at the CIA as a kid. Oh, well, there's no conflict there. Yeah. Yeah, a strange albino gay man. I mean, holy shit. I bet he was a great intern. I built all these rich families, you know, and their creeps. Dude, his mom's an occultist creep. He was the picture of them on the bed. With all that stuff. She collected that picture up. It's why was your dad ever like into that, you know, because I think that this is just my, my, there you go. Look at that. Go back to the other one, the other one. That's a good one. That's a drawing of it. Yeah, look it behind. That's the magnetor behind your head. I'm almost positive. Wish you could see this. You've probably seen it. It's, it's, it's glory of Vanderbilt on the bed with her young. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. So is that the magnetor like high bell? You think? Maybe. I mean, you're asking me. Yeah. Did you ever look at it? So that this pop. I mean, it looked totally creepy and there's tons of information about it. So the, yeah, the magnetor. Yep. Her other son fell out of window, which was a little weird, but, you know, like really? Oh, that's, yeah, in New York. He's a teenager, I think, or young. You know, I saw him by the comedy seller when after he bought that firehouse, he used to be next to the Boston comedy club talking. And now he was the Cooper bought the firehouse next to it to live in. And it was like all the original like vintage hoses were still hanging up. He still was afraid it might not be gay enough, though, believe it. Anyway, he looked great for having just had kids. I gotta say his body's at the top shape. Right. Right. So you're so, how old were you? Wait, but do you think your dad? So like Glyn Maxwell's dad, Robert Maxwell was some kind of like, you know, like the, all his soul was taken out of him in World War II and he became this double agent on both sides ended up getting killed. Like your dad didn't even like obviously trying to ruin his life at some point. It doesn't sound like they were going to straight up kill him, right? Like, what do you think your dad was ever in the cult part of it? Because he's from Odessa. Or do you think he's just a patron of God, you know, he had a bunch of trauma. He was my grandmother's brother supposedly murdered him and then there was some Japanese gardeners. He grew up in San Francisco, so I believe in my life. And then he was in, you know, World War II as a teenager and then in Korea. And so, and he had, he had scrapped null and frostbite. So he had seen terrible things and he's smart and he's funny. And then, you know, he's trying to be patriotic. And I think, and then I was, I was going to Jefferson Morley, who's a journalist who has a YouTube, I mean, he has meetings every week about the JFK assassination. And I talked to some of those guys that are, you know, big JFK assassination buffs and they were like, you know, your dad was perfect target for brainwashing and sleeper agent, you know, you know, he had this trauma. They look for smart but trauma. The dissociation, your dad's funny. Yeah. And that's a perfect candidate for the Serhian treatment. Yeah. So, and you can read, I only have, I mean, out of these 587 documents from the FBI, I only have some of it because a lot of it is still redacted 50, 60, 70 years later, 80 years later. Hold on, that's not it. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Tanner, that, first of all, you're spelling Serhian. I'm, I'm just saying that I'm just, Serhian Serhian is a guy shot RFK. Not that whoever this is. Yeah. No, and Charles and Serhian is. So what happened was he just brought up a, something unrelated on the screen. I just meant as in Serhian Serhian, the guy shot and who is one of the most hypnotizable people ever, according to, it was a godly, somebody who ever said he was the most hypnotizable hypnotizable person ever was suggestible. Yeah. He could make Serhian Serhian grab the bars of his cell and like climb up the side of him, like that movie with James McElroy from M Night Chamomium. How old were you when they, when they started doing this mind control stuff on your father? I mean, it sounds like it's kind of a slow drip, but did you notice his personality change? Did you notice some shift? Is this what's happening there? So I was born in 1965. So my, and he met my mom in Moscow. This is the second wife. And I was born after that. My dad got to Moscow in 1961 as bureau chief and then he met my mom who's from New Zealand. Okay, this is another wrinkle. She's from Invocargle, which is the southernmost city in, in the, you know, in the world in the bottom of the South Island of New Zealand. Somehow at 22, she gets herself from New Zealand to being an old pair with the State Department family in Moscow. Okay. She's like nine years younger. She meets my dad at a party. They get married. They have me. And then, and then she's also had trauma. I didn't know this till after she died, but two births before she met my dad and gave them up for adoption. Anyway, but so, but like most young New Zealand women are not going to Moscow. So, so so weird. So we moved to, let me get kicked out of Moscow in 1965 and we go to Hong Kong. Why did you get kicked out? Covering. Because this guy, John Skulley, did a false report about an outing of, as a Kremlin. And, and my dad said, don't, don't publish that story. Scally was a bureau chief in Washington for ABC News. And my dad said, And we don't know if this is true. Scally was actually, if you see Scally, y'all. I also worked as PR for Nixon and he was CIA and he was a journalist. I mean, there's just so many overlaps. My dad did not like John Scali and I have a phone call of my mom calling John Scali. My dad's saying like, "Hey, can you tell us what's going on in the '70s, but anyway." So we get kicked out of Russia to take close to ABC News Bureau and ABC sends us to Hong Kong. And then my dad is on the front line at the TED Offensive and speaking out against the Vietnam war, and my mom's with him actually going in to find the Ho Chi Minh Trail and all this crazy stuff, which is not like a regular wife. There's actually a new book out about the CIA wives and how all these diplomats wives were also CIA. But anyway, so let me get kicked out of Hong Kong, but right before we leave Hong Kong, there's a British agent, intelligent agent, which is also in the documents saying that my dad is in trouble because there's a defector named Yuri Nassango who comes over in 1962 and I think it's '63 from, he's supposed to be high-ranking KGB. He comes over after the Kennedy assassination because at that point, we weren't sure, some of us, you know, in the government weren't sure, who actually, you know, killed Kennedy and God forbid its Russians, then that would be another war, you know, world war. So, so, so this is another fascination story, but my dad, but Nassango still has a list of Americans working with the KGB. My dad's name is on that list. And so then they start to question my dad and he comes back in, he got held by the FBI for three days and left crying. He was interrogated. I'm not sure what they did to him because that's all redacted, but you know, who knows what they did and this is like 1969, I think. I wonder if they knew how to access programming on someone and like the reason you program people, you want people that don't know their spies to be spies, that's why you do this. Yes. You want killers that don't know their killers. It's in all the movies. Yeah. He literally was accused of being a sleeper agent and a double agent. And then of course the KGB thought he was a CIA spy. And then the Chinese intelligence thought he was FBI, CIA, you know, he just goes around and around. Well, you know, here in Austin, because of Joe Rogan's program, because I don't know why all Democrats think that Joe Rogan's podcast is the new seat of Western power. Thank you. You're very angry at him as he's the decider of Trump, you know, like you really are stooped. I mean, you really are dumb as fuck if you think that, but a lot of people do. So you can see the use in having agents around who may or may not know their agents. And there are so many, I made so many people just through Joe show, definitely Duncan has where I don't know if they're an agent of somebody. I mean, it's definitely like being near Ford Bragg, I think down here. It's lousy with spooks. Well, there seems to be, there seems to be like a gray area in between being a full on agent and just some kind of useful idiot or your cut out or that's what my new pilot to cut out is about. And by the way, yeah, but anyway, you know, it's like almost wearing a mass phase role like a mass rollout of this stuff where they don't really need to do the old ways they used to do because they have so much more screen time and programming of people. So you could have hypnotic phrases introduced. I listen to idiot, well, people that are smart say the most idiotic things to me. And they're saying like a catchphrase that you could tell was a hypnotic induction. No question. Every boomer watching Fox and CNN or any of them, they will babble the just nonsense at you. It's frightening. Yeah. But your dad was getting it like right from the tap, it sounds like, but it also sounds like he invited it on himself accidentally with that letter to the FBI, right? He got on their radar and then all these things happened, the adjoining room. You've got a wonder if she was some, you know, the whole thing gets so complex and it would be so easy to start wondering how much of all of these things, including the defector in his name on a list, how much of that was real and how much of that was designed to pull your father deeper into a system where he could be conditioned. Did he get memories back ever? Well, he most of the most of my childhood I watched him and my mom, you know, we sued Sam and June Jaffee versus the FBI and the CIA under the Freedom Information Act to get the documents of why the FBI and the CIA, I believe my dad was a foreign agent and then ACLU represented my parents and it went, it took about 15 years, but it was like seven plus years of the lawsuit and that was my childhood and we go to Washington, do a federal court, this Judge Barrington Parker and he, Barrington Parker got so angry at the FBI because CIA finally Colby, William Colby, Bill Colby, can one they found in the river later? Yeah, in the lake, yeah, nine days after his canoe was found. So that's another thing because this all ties into Epstein like literally like because it ties into, because Colby was trying to speak out about the Franklin, because Colby did some horrible, horrible things, you know, in Vietnam and you know, we know all these things. That's Phoenix, right? Yeah, so everything in like this, 74, 75, 76, when my dad started this, you know, lawsuit against the FBI and the CIA to get the documents because he left ABC News in 1969 because he started getting like the Chair Blossom Festival and Nixon's daughter's birthday party and he's like, what, like, you know, I'm, I'm amazing correspondent. And he missed the 60s. He didn't understand this like, hippie culture and all this because he was in Moscow, you know, and then anyway, so, um, so he starts speaking out about this and he, he, we started the lawsuit. He starts getting interviewed. He was on Tom Schneider and he talked about a few or years before that he, uh, he's, he was on more povich actually had a good TV show in DC, back a local TV show and he spoke. My dad said, you know, Cronkite is also, um, working, uh, he's cooperating with the, the CIA and the FBI and so that causes crazy meeting in, um, Daniel Shore writes about it. Um, Bush senior just became head of the CIA and supposedly because Colby was testifying during the church committee, you know, in the House Intelligence Committee, uh, they, all of a sudden, you know, Watergate was happening in 1974, '75, '76. And then the, the, um, the CIA started to say, like, we can't, we don't have freedom anymore. Colby really spilled the beans because he had felt so guilty about all the horrific stuff he did, you know, with being CIA director that he, um, that he, and he found, I guess, some religion, cast Catholicism, so he decided to kind of flip and start working, you know, and telling the truth. And, and then, so that was in the early, that was mid-70s and then so he resigns and then George Bush takes over as a head of sea. Yeah, that's right. Right there. Yeah, and there's now there's a clamp on, um, on the CIA doing, you know, the secret shell toxins that can kill me, you know, hundreds of thousands of people in one vial and, you know, all that stuff started coming out and, and Watergate comes out sort of, you know, then, so then George Bush starts a thing called the Safari Club, um, oh, that's promising. Have you heard of the Safari Club? I have. So it's like it's, it's CIA, um, it's BCCI, which is, uh, Bush, Bush senior has a private secret account there. It's the French, Iranian, Egyptian, Saudis, it's, uh, it's a secret club based in South Africa, like on a beautiful, uh, place that, that, and Koshogi, okay? So you got these same people, you know, like, wait, Adnan or the same, did Jamal Koshogi that I'm supposed to believe is a journalist and not a, you know, the Adnan, but, like, you've got these same names, Bush, you've got, you know, um, popping up and that that's where they could do more of their, you know, the crimes on the Safari Club, you know, shadow instead of, so it's because it, because they say I did actually we got a little transparent there, which is amazing. And then, um, oh, the group's purpose was to oppose Soviet influence by supporting anti-communist. So that means any rat bastard, a cultist psychopath, cartel, fucking, any nightmare you have, as long as they now come here, we should support it. And that's exactly what they did. And so that's why we've done all, well, I'm saying we, I didn't do nothing. Well, that's what they've done all the worst shit, but wait, the Safari Club, sorry, Safari Club. Oh, my God. The Safari Club, Bush starts this, is this, so this is not the CIA or is it? What, this one writer called it the second CIA. Oh, my God. So this is the interagency. Wow. Wow. The interagency is about, yeah, Kissinger said it, yeah, he said it was perfect because it's plausible that, um, deniability, right. And then this was to Launders, Saudi and American money through the BCCI, the Bank of Credit and Congress International, which George Bush and Agnes could so get, you know, anyway, they had all this money to develop more, you know, assassinations and spying and, and, you know, false flag situations to continue their stuff because they did get held up a little bit in the early 70s during this time. So in the mid 70s. And then my dad goes out on this TV show with more poverty and says, "Cronkite is a spy." Or, I mean, they said he worked with, you know, CIA and that he wasn't paid. And he also said there were a couple other journalists in this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're saying Kronkite was for free working for the CIA's How are you saying? Yeah, yeah, they all work. He's the voice of from Bohemian Grove at the at the birding of the wooden boy And he was on he was yeah, he was with Epstein and photographs Well, consider me proud to stand at the right hand of Lucifer. That's a quote of him He's a piece of shit First of all, so yes, yes, yeah, go on. Sorry, but when you say he's not being compensated I am sort of curious about that That means he's got deeper ties to it that matter more than money. Yeah, yeah, real creepy shit It my dad spoke it so then there was the church committee and the House Intelligence Committee in those times and my dad Had to go under like secret oath to testify about his Saying that I'm a journalist. I worked with with I didn't you know, I was cooperating I wasn't paid but with the FBI and the CIA so was everybody else that wasn't just me as choir did a big article Carl Bernstein did a big article at this time and Bernstein is a questionable guy Well, I'm Bernstein with names my dad, but doesn't talk about himself, you know, obviously Yeah, yeah, that phony and that yeah, Woodward from Navy Intel His first story is Watergate, and then he never has anything good. He does ever the fuck again All his ass his John Baluchie book is just a smear job on Baluchie. Oh, yeah totally. Yeah, he's a piece of shit Operation mockingbird. It's using these writers and journalists and big names and you know, they were with so you've got the Okay, here's a way you've got here's a question. Then what is the use of Barry Weiss? You know putting Barry Weiss George the CBS. I mean a husk it. Wait, wait. Hold on. You are not implying. Yeah, the modern CIA is still doing this stuff Are you? Well, this would be massage actually doing it in no right in front of us like we was already doing it in front of us But now we know they're doing it in front of us. Oh, no, that's not true. Oh, okay, thank you, man That's not true. No, no, no, no, the CIA. Hey, I cut the shit If you ever been to CIA dot gov. It's the new CIA. They don't do this anymore. It's a much better go to CIA dot gov Right go to CIA dot gov right now Mm-hmm. I know of course. No, because is it look like they do that look at that beautiful building. Yeah, I'm so sorry I don't mean to cut you off, but the first line of defense from its own citizens and they're doing a great job look at Pudges Click on today's CIA I told you even I can't be get high there because I'm a fat Puerto Rican woman Don't you see anything about this kind of wait they do higher fat Puerto Rican women maybe I can don't you look look scroll down Don't you maybe I can be in the CIA you could be the CIA let's scroll down What does it say we are the nation's first line of defense? We accomplish what others cannot accomplish and go others cannot go that doesn't say anything about this this Tom foolery We have to be initiated into the high into the mystery Three fucking underground horse shit. That is the CIA speaking of the three of underground horses. I have to go use the restroom I know me too. All right hold on. We'll be right back. This is just getting good. Okay. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot more. There's so much for I need Back Yeah, I like how this bunches up my my fro in the size of my hat It looks great. Oh my gosh. So this is getting good. So let's keep going here. Okay. There's so much. Well here. This is a quote from my dad After or this was right after he got interrogated for three and a half days by the FBI and It was a debriefing and it's a common courtesy of foreign correspondents to the agency in those days, right? So it was just like that's what you do, you know was considered not a big deal common courtesy every journalist did this And so my dad goes in for the debriefing debriefing he emerges later weeping Every word and act of his past seven years abroad had doubled back on itself and now everything looks suspicious. This is out of a book But what do you mean? What do you mean by that? It doubled back on itself like his own record made it look Well, they twisted everything because this is right when that's what they do when the FBI and the CIA Well, they found spies within themselves, you know, and that counterintelligence got James uses Angleton Freaking out and they've got this Uranus Enco who they built a cell for in Virginia and it was a cell they kept him in for over a year Does this is this effect or Uranus Enco who's supposed to be high ranking KGB? Yeah, he names my dad on the list But then we don't trust him. So we put him because his information wasn't wasn't we already had all the information he gave us We didn't they didn't have the my dad working with the KGB, but so we put him the CIA put him in a locked, you know, no windows Self and he ended up making you can't make this up. He got so crazy To give him his teeth started falling out so they gave him some toothpaste. He kept reading the the Ingredients of the toothpaste over and over again because he was so starved for I mean no matter how bad you are You should not be you know, anyway, and then they took that away from him. Then he built a chest set out of dust And then they took that away from him like lint and dust and then finally between all this like Argument they couldn't decide if we could trust him or not is he double agent with the you know a sleeper agent for KGB So there it gets murky, but he still tainted my dad's name and so nobody would hire my dad And that's when my dad, you know went to went to do this court case So your dad speaking out against Vietnam. So your dad. Yeah, of course. He's colluding with the communist and then a KGB And it's like yeah, he's one of us and yeah, and in the in the 50s There was something called the bangdung conference which my dad went to and that was the first Worldwide conference of third world Countries that got together and said what are we gonna do with the West here? Like we're you know, African nations Egypt and Indonesia and China and so my dad went there and he he met Joe and lie he was number two under mouth. They told this did not help my dad at all. Yeah Yeah, this point later on, you know, Bush becomes the Uh, you know, he he's the CIA well before he was CIA. He was also Chinese ambassador Um, and then he was a Yeah, but so and then so and so my dad becomes friendly with Joe and lie and then we go back to China for you United Press International UPI when my dad was blacklist, but he still got a little jobs here and there But UPI is supposed to also connect it with CIA so and so I was seven years old We went for three and a half months to China and I was the first my sister and I were the first Caucasian children supposedly ever go to intermongolia And uh, and I got a little they weren't calling you a retarded way These kids are an intermongolia The the people in Mongolia were covered in like syphilis, you know, they they were all in breeding Yeah, there you go. Seven years old going like what the hell, you know, anyway, but this is why they're condoms when I go to Mongolia Um, and I'd always spent my first like three and a half years in Hong Kong with two Chinese amas So I spoke Chinese. I ate with chopsticks. I had to have soy sauce on my hot dogs like when I came to the United States I cried every time I saw a black person So I was wow, that is shiny. That's the most Chinese thing. I think I've ever heard my life And my mom put me in an all black daycare in DC because this is DC in 1969 1970 where we got the uprise, you know, the riots and stuff. Yeah, a trial by fire Yeah, anyway, there's so much to say, but so my dad said they didn't believe a word. I told them Um, I left their crying. I couldn't take it anymore as I was walking out one of the agents asked me if I'd ever heard of a sleeper agent The agent said he's a person who can lie dormant for years and then and then snap and fear the agent snapped his fingers at me like this And you can hear my dad saying this on Tom Schneider too Um, and said and suddenly become active again So they were telling him that he was he was a sleeper agent Wow, and that anyway, so Do you do you know about the guy that they caught at the Nuremberg trials the guy that flew his plane uh the dopey Nazi that was trying to Rudolf Hess right and he and they they had the trial Rudolf Hess and I didn't know this But if you look up Joseph P. Ferrell's stuff on it. It's really great. But but when uh So one of the dullest brothers apparently was trying to get into that hearing guys like I have information that's not Rudolf Hess and uh, but really And I don't know if there's video of it. I would like to see it, but there's a thing where there's like Goring is like holding up like a book or something to hide that he's laughing because it's not Hess Because they did this to a guy that just has a heavy where them you know de sovian Brow ibrow ridges of some two tonic inbred, you know So they just get another guy He has habits that the the main guy didn't have supposedly wins in Churchill torture the real guy to death already And they just did these techniques go all the way back to the Dalai Lama and before That remember they download the Dalai Lama into a new Dalai Lama. How I take a child I repat her in their brain to say you're this guy And it's really easy if they're you could do a two-in-adult which they did to this Hess guy I think and so if you look it up and Wikipedia it goes oh, yeah, he started spouting conspiracies and about Jewish mind control So there was something up mind control. They're throwing Jewish in front of it to to make an anti-Semitic to bring up up, but this is a thing that they supposedly they this is what they said in those M.K. ultra Senate, you know, those hearings today. Yeah. Yeah. And they were saying that that got lead was kind of set up in a way too, because he was the only like not Yale, not white, you know, at the end of the day. Yeah. Right. The mud. Look, there's the muggles with that because there's that's just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. If you're not bloodline, you're a muggle. That's a bottom line. Bush went to Yale. That's right. Father his father, Bush senior. Yeah. Prescott, what's his name? Prescott. He was on the board at CBS news. Jesus. Oh, that's right. Well, to Barry Weissman. Yeah. And when my dad came out and said, you know, that that Cronkite and, um, who's the other journal, a couple other journalists were working, um, well, this Don Scalley, who who went, jumped over to be president Nixel's Nixon special consultant. And then he became president Nixon made Scalley, who was at ABC, you know, got us thrown out of Russia, became an ambassador to the United Nations under now. Have you heard this? Yeah. Switching around. And then yeah, right. And then, okay. So all this is happening. And why are they switching around? Do you notice that they're, see, they're all switching around that like right from the part where HW Bush takes over the CIA, right? At that point, you could see the whole thing unfolding because of his crime family. The Clintons were part of his crime family. The whole time, Obama fucking knew them growing up because his mom was a CIA whore with some Indonesian oil baron. Sex worker. I didn't know that, but yeah, you got to be like when those, I mean, I don't know about that. But I mean, will you look at, yeah, I mean, look like David George W. I say, Kathy O'Brien said too, but I was joking before I heard her say on Jimmy show about him being a Manchurian candidate. But I used to joke that Dick Cheney hunted him and his brother naked through the woods, like surviving the game, starring I stay. Yeah. And, but no, that is what they do. Well, yeah, to me, this is what's so terrifying. These are the dragonblood stuff. It's what's scary about this to me. What? Is that because we know this is real. This isn't like, this is documented. You can look at the hearings today. We know this is real. Anyone listening or watching this? You have to ask yourself, are you a sleeper agent? You could be. There's millions of them all over the place. And you can see him pop off. And I got with Nathan Reynolds told me he, I know he's right. This is proprietary technology. Her dad's time. This is when it's the government's doing it. But look at how the government made Facebook and then gave it to some phony AI boy to pretend it's his. So think of my control. There's proprietary, a mic control technology out there. Okay. So all the CEOs, why are they psycho paths? Because someone figured out it was a good idea for a court from a corporate standpoint to have start breeding your next CEO. So all that Jason projects it, which the movie twins hilariously kind of touches on with Davido and George Dagger. Oh, I gotta wash up. Yeah, that's what it's about is their mother was in got knocked up at Epstein Islands. And one was like the Arnold Schwarzenegger. One was that it's actually for a really funny premise based on real events. Actually, now they think about it. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then Arnold started in the pregnant man, junior with Danny DeVito, the, the Mithra. Anyway, these are, these are the bushes and all them. They all trace their shit to being sionned into the Templar families. And that stupid, you know, every stupid like a Luminati thing you'd think of. I've heard what they call it, the New World Order of the Rose. That's when they made up with the Catholics with the Jesuits specifically. And then they had a bush in his helicopter had black roses on the seats and Air Force, too. That's us. And that's rose, of course, it goes. It's rose accruesion. Well, guess. Yeah. Okay. So this is so crazy because if you fast forward to like today or like I was in the gate program, I actually got myself into the. So are we. We were too. Oh, my God. Well, and then, okay. And I remember it being weird. And like I had to keep a journal on myself. Like in, anyway, but then I, I end up becoming a photographer in New York City. I end up photographing Lauren Bush, who's the niece of the president, you know, great, the granddaughter of anyway, the Bush family tries to sue me because I had photographed her for John F Kennedy's George magazine. And I have the right as a photographer, you know, under a tool usage to resell those images. Right. And which is so crazy, too, because JFK Jr. wanted me to shoot her as a pin-up. She's like 15 years old. And I'm like, okay, she's a girl. And he's telling me to shoot her sexy like a playboy centerfold. And I had to do this horizontal shot. And I'm like, I'm so uncomfortable right now. This is New York style. You know, and so then I get introduced to all the fashion magazines. And I'm shooting for them. And I'm, you know, working with the model agencies. And I see all that firsthand. You know, I have like one degree separation there. And then, you know, and I've, I got to know JFK Jr. a little bit because my boyfriend at the time, it became his creative director and launched the magazine with him, you know, George Max. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Tanner, Tanner, go. A young JFK, you see the thing where he's saluting in the little coat, that famous picture to the right, right there. Okay. You see that? Duncan? Yeah. Yeah. That guy had already banged way more chicks than you ever will at that age. Well, he had a terrible area. He's saluting his own. You didn't know me when I was a kid, baby. They're, I'm telling you, these people fucked up. I've been off, like because, you know, when to save her life, you know, Jackie Kennedy, whoever looks up to, like she was desperate and goes and marries, you know, the, yeah, a pirate, a Greek pirate who probably helped kill. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. I want to get it real quick. I just want to point out something you've got to think about this. Like, you just got mauled. You're, you're dead. I was not mocked. Oh, my God. You're dead. Wait, I was not mad. Who would you rather go with? I mean, in a metal mask, or this saluting boy in the waistcoat? It's a good. It's a good question. No, think about it. Don't answer too quick. You can answer that in a second, but it is interesting to me that your, your dad accused of, you know, being like, helping the communists associated with the CIA MK Ultra. And here you are suddenly hanging out with the royal families of America. Like, surely you can. How did that happen? Wait, is that the, that's the actor, Sandra Faye, not your dad? Yeah, that's my, my great uncle. The one that looks like a mad scientist is though. Yeah, he played. He was in day of the earth. So it's still he played. Okay, the day the earth stood still. I mean, they must have been plugged in. See, here's the thing that's always missing from the disclosure. Shit is, if you saw the great movie Men in Black, where we learn that they protect us by not telling us things. And because you don't have a mind is sophisticated as Will Smith, you know, yeah, you couldn't handle the truth. Smith was so compromised because he'd been, you know, hiding his gain as for so long. I mean, you know, you know, Scientologists, he opened that school for kids, the Scientology School. That's true. There's a connection there to the Nation Islam, because it's Philly. Nation of Islam, like, they use Scientology. That's, you know, that they license it. Yes, yes, I knew that. And George, George magazine had me shoot the head of the Islam nation at that point. It took me like 10 hours to get started. No, this was kind of, Conrad Mohammed. Oh, wait, the really dark one that said he wish he had white man skin pants. It's one of my best photos because I ended up having to go to this coffee shop that he hung out. And he wouldn't let me because of my name and because I'm a woman, I couldn't even touch the ground in Harlem where they had the building. So they made me wait at this coffee shop. And I waited like, but literally my assistant went home and I'm like, I'm just going to stay and it got dark. He tried to pull a holy land on you. That is a real picture of him. I mean, he was like, you know, anyway, but yeah, I remember him well because they would always, and by the way, all these provocative, like the black racist preacher of the fringe cult, they're all CIA, all of them, just like Scientology and all the rest, they're all just like the hippie music, boomers loved. And that's why their brains don't work now. But you got to wonder to yourself. Like here you are suddenly getting access to all these people. I mean, surely you had to oh, Gene Hackman. Hold on, wait, wait, surely, you had to have some paranoia or some sense that you were I was so naive. Yeah, why would you? That I had no idea. You know, I saw a long story short. It took my dad actually. He died in 1985 when I was 19 years old. Okay. And of black lung disease. So we sued the, you know, at the end of the CIA and the judge got to read the unredacted information in the thousands and thousands of pages of document every day of my dad. Black lung calls. Yeah. What do you mean black lung? Like, what is that? Well, it was, autopsy said black lung disease. And he had, he had as an alcoholic yet some cirrhosis of the liver, he had, uh, it turned into lung cancer. Oh my god. Well I say black lung matters to Duncan, but he tears my signs off his lawn. Anyway, but meanwhile, so in 1974 I think, so we went to China '72 in '74 and then there's tons of CIA documents when Bush was writing notes on my dad about everything he was doing in Russia and I mean in China and he he got to you know meet up with Joe in line meanwhile to see he's trying to kill Joe in line right and then before that he was he interviewed the Dominican Republic guy Trulio Trulio Trujillo my dad you can yeah there's I have a video of him interviewing his son after he was assassinated by the minute okay so my dad is in all these spots where we're trying to kill these yeah like Sean Penn yeah your dad's a Sean Penn of like I'm being new who knew too little I almost I made a video of this and years ago and I saw Sean Penn I almost gave him the video because his dad was a cute like it was accused of being communist and stuff so I thought he might have some sympathy yeah and I would accuse his dad of being a diddler as well because that's part of the program and the Hollywood families out there when you think of the creepy s-60s okay yeah and and you know they make it like it's the acid but a lot of meth was being passed around you know besides just the acid it's not a meth which I don't know if you know it's not a good probably not good with acid no no and then oh my god so then in oh company business what what in 1990 it's I remember this action film with Gene Hackman the retired CIA wait why did you put bring this up Connor yeah what do you do don't do don't get that off the screen Tanner you're a man Tanner you do something we got a man cheering candidate in the fucking room right now we'll keep it on the screen well do you see these kids they grab now right they look like they've been hypnotized down in old blackrock yeah yeah oh totally oh totally I mean well that that came out in the MK ultra trials yesterday they were saying they were bringing it to forward to today saying these kids that are supposedly assassinating you know or attempted assassination on all these people you know like Trump and yeah yeah obviously not and and if you if you can't because if we can put this stuff out there the truth you're gonna connect the dots it's so obvious yeah you know it's the Tom O'Neill's the guy at the trot by the way Tom O'Neill so meet Duncan's podcast that last year it's King Fesson New Orleans we did a podcast with Fitzsimmons and Tom O'Neill and remember Tom O'Neill was cagey about that stuff when I bring it up but he was like oh a bit this girl bring so he knows all about it and he's testifying about it right now yeah well and so my dad supposedly he had us he my dad's documents that we tried to get are with the Kennedy assassination documents so when Trump released them in 2025 in March that's when I got a lot I got a lot more of my dad's document got something useful from it yeah I did all good yeah which was unbelievable because I'm not a fan but and then so so my dad my dad in the documents said that he had photos of 1974 of the from the Dallas police department he had photographs of the people that they were rounding up after the assassination among those photos were pictures of three hobos and my dad said he could identify them as Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis so that got him in Howard Hunt yeah 74 you know do you know the significance of that the three hobos that's a free Masonic thing the three unworthy's they try to kill Hiram a biff oh what the fuck it's called psychodrama they didn't call my dad was shut down then too and he was he's ruining the story the FBI already had the photos and we you know but but they didn't they made sure it went well yeah so my dad sent them to this guy Dieter Steiner in at Stern magazine in Germany and they got a person you know to to independently look at the pictures and they believe that it could be definitely those people that wait what bag is it do you get that down yeah I cancel myself get a stina yeah so this the three hobos but I mean that right there picture can we pull up the three hobos so we'll e Howard Hunt recall dog he had really nice shoes but they were dressed as hobos yeah that's how you tell unhoused people we would call them now but and I really cheers him up I find when I tell the three tramps can we show yeah look at the three tramps in quotes like it's a thing so if you know look up with psychodrama is it'll say it's a kind of therapy can you enlarge that picture because they don't look like tramps to me at all e Howard Hunt is the guy that worked for the CIA that hung out with what's his name who used to be on Fox from Watergate you know the water what's his name he had he always played Hitler speeches to inspire himself gee Gordon Liddy gee Gordon Liddy yep yep yep well and so okay so then I'm going up I'm nine years old when my dad's doing this and I'm like dad just get a job it's the safe way because he was depressed he started drinking more scotch he you know smoking he'd like shake in the morning till he had a scotch oh my god and I'm like dad like oh my god like leave that picture Tanner put that picture back sorry go ahead I'm telling Tanner not to take this picture down because I want to show don't do something I'm sorry I just want to keep that picture go ahead well anyway so you're asking what it was like as a kid so I'm going to you know elementary school and junior high school and high school in Bethesda Maryland and um you know the kids are calling Tommy or they're because there was articles in newspapers and you know did you answer them in Chinese did you clap back and mandor that was teaching well so then right but in 1972 before we go to China and I'm seven years old my mom my mom can fully speak fluent Chinese and I'm like wait I thought about this recently I'm like how the hell that she speaks it's a woman from New Zealand learned Russian got to the Moscow then she marries my dad and my dad will get so drunk that he would tell me that my mom was a lesbian and a spy and had two illegitimate children in New Zealand and I'm a little kid going mom what is you know illegitimate your mom's a handler and my goal possibly and so it's her name whoa your mom was programmed too I asked my mom who became a floral designer because my dad didn't make any money while we were in the 70s while I was growing up we're living in this nice house in Bethesda Maryland you know but meanwhile we have no money coming in and he's getting more and more depressed and whilst he's going on and on and on nobody wants to be friends with us and you know meanwhile he's also getting himself into more trouble by finding these photos and publicizing you know getting them out different you know to people he trusted listen my dad was not perfect he started he would punch me and my mom you know and and get mad at us oh my god I thought you're gonna say a wall I didn't think it was gonna go right to punch you yeah no he you know what I'd be like dad and it because I was like what the fuck is going on you know I'm like this kid how old are you I was well it was from when I was five years old to when I died when when he died when I was 19 and then wow and I dropped we didn't have health insurance he wouldn't he didn't want to leave the house because we had the documents there and he was paranoid you know oh my god for good for good reason you know he also became friends with ex-CIA guy Victor Marquetti who also wrote all these amazing books and spoke out against the CIA at that point so we were you know he was speaking out about all these secret you know CIA experiments and and then so and then the senate select committee on intelligence comes comes out my dad testifies he talks about the you know the the hobo pictures he talks about Cronkite and there was a list of like 200 other big journalists and you know these agencies working with the CIA and FBI to the senate committee and the church committee and then I think what happened was you know ABC news a CBS all those heads there were you know they actually had a meeting right after he put that out and with the CIA and they had this giant this meeting in New York at ABC and CBS say and Bush was there and was saying like what are we going to do with this jaffy guy like shut him the fuck up and so you've got he has no chance right like to yeah not if you got papi bush coming for you know you don't have a chance the guy that had a an actual device going to Kathy of Brian or that he could make it look like he was a reptilian but it because one of the Nazis they brought over people of primal fear of snakes and shit and so he had a thing set up in the White House where it would be like a light like a you know some hologram thing that just now they have and it would make it look like he had shaped shifted into a reptilian holy fuck we need that for the show I know well okay look at this picture too this car friends of mine like later on we're telling me like Deborah you got to watch the Americans you know it's based on true story about all these spies living in Chevy Chase and Bethesda Maryland and so I finally started watching it and then they show this basement room they have and I'm like oh my god that's the same short rave radio we had in the kitchen oh my god oh shit oh god yeah right that's so crazy and so then I'm like wait a second this was like 15 years ago I saw that or maybe 10 years ago and then I'm like okay there is a lot more to the story than I think you know that I know I mean like and and anyway, and so then, so then Cronkite went on the air after my dad accused him and and and actually came out during those those committees, that 50 CA had at least 50 American journalists paid. They were actually CA agents who became journalists not the other way around, you know, so. - Yes, because you got to get your start. - Yeah. - You get your big start, this astroturfing is all it is and they've been doing it the whole time. Jane Fonda, not Jane Fonda, Gloria Steinem, the Playboy Bunny/Feminist. - I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed. - But it's not this was this came out before I was born that she worked for the CIA. She's like, no, they said they like Kennedy. They're really cool. - I didn't know how to read that. - Okay, yeah, they're, but they're all, you know, I think Chris Kristofferson, just like in, I think it's Bryce, forget her last name, Bryce Taylor's book. Chris Kristofferson is a handler. He's an Air Force. All the military connections. Oh, Courtney loves dad, who was the manager of the Grateful Dead. - Grateful Dead. - And helps hand out that method out to my hunt, by the way. He wrote in his memoirs. It dedicated to the boys of Bohemian Groves. That would be like. - Well, I have some firsthand time I spent with Courtney Love. - What, yeah? - I became friends with a well-known Hollywood manager who said, hey, let's share a house and she go to LA so much to shoot and I was living in New York. Why don't you share a house with me in LA and I was like, okay, and then Debra Harry moves in, which I'm like, what? 'Cause I love Debra Harry at that point. Anyway, but then one day, he's like, hey, guess who I was at with last night. And I'm like, 'cause he, you know, he'd be invited to all these parties. And I went with some, sometimes, but one time, he sat down, he said, I was at with Prince Andrew. And then another time with David Copperfield. And then another time-- - Oh my God! - Through neighbors in New York City, we were lived down the hall from each other. And he shot two of his clients for a Farragamo campaign. And then we came friendly. And then I'm sharing a house with him in LA. And I'm like, oh, okay. And then one day, he sat down on my bed and he's like, Debra, Debra, 'cause he doesn't drive and neither does she. I need you to drive us to Courtney Love to do a fitting at Rick Owens, okay? This is my-- - Holy shit. And Rick Owens, I had photographed for a British magazine already. And I spent like a day-- - I mean, you're hitting every, put up Rick Owens. I'm sorry, just in case people don't know. - Oh, and like, it's Chris? - Sorry, Dan and we're going in there going to New York in Hollywood, 'cause I would go to the Le Doe Cafe and I'd go to-- - Yeah, this guy, the one that's married to that chick that looks like the, I don't even know what to compare it to in Willow. - Like, I have so many run-ins with all of these people. Like, not only my dad, but now me. Like, it's like, what? - That is so wide. - Oh, how about this with a child and his asshole as a chair? - So I have a shoot I did with him that didn't get published. One picture got published in a British magazine. And then, and then I pulled up, got the legs because last year, Rick Owens, or the year before, Rick Owens wanted to get the pictures. He was gonna put them in a book, 'cause he's, anyway. But like, when I was there-- - There's Simon Rex again. Simon Rex, you have a-- - I thought you were gonna have Simon Rex too. - Simon Rex is around all these people. I wonder what he's seeing that, that, uh, eternally handsome young man. - He's a porn actor, right? Like, he was doing gay porn. - Was he? I didn't know that. - TV, yes. - Oh. - Well, I could see that. - Yeah, I photographed him when he was going out with that actress for Glamour or Cosmo or something, but-- - Rex being skinned, Duncan. - So then, so then I'm with Courtney Love, and Courtney Love, I remember this person saying that he came back when we were sharing a house. Oh, I was just in San Francisco, Courtney Love. And I went to all these like, super dark, you know, BDSM clothes. - Yeah. - In New York, I mean, sorry, San Francisco. And then, and then I spent the day with her and she thought I was his assistant, so she's bossing me around. She's telling me, I need to hire, we went to Frank, Foucault, uh, Muso and Frank's for lunch. - Yeah, nice. - Like Debra, you're a photographer. You need to hire lesbians. Only lesbians are good workers. I was like, okay, whatever, you know, and then. - What? - I grew up in DC. - 'Cause they guard him. - I have no idea, I don't know. But she was, and then-- - They're like gnomes, Duncan. - I saw all these like crazy, she definitely like, had some bipolar, get the front end. - She probably has multiple personalities because-- - Yes, yes, yes. - We all looked at her when Kurt Cobain died, but we should've been looking at Dave Gold. - And she shipped off to New Zealand as a kid, too, for high school. - No kidding. - Well, yes, what? - Yeah, so that was interesting. - Yeah. - Well, I think my sister knew, knew what's his name. The other guy from, because my sister in DC, the punk scene was like, she was in, I was not in that scene, but she got to know, they growl, and that's the thing. He's also from, you know, military, or, you know, speech writer, something-- - His dad was Reagan's speech writer, but it's still, some military thing. They've been, you know, okay, so the memoir, Quentin Love was like a prostitute at 15, or something, around bands, 'cause of her dad managing the grateful dead. And also being a CIA guy. Tommy Lee Jones's cousin is the one that, the CIA trainer of, yeah. Tommy Lee Jones played in a movie by HBO, called No Sanko, about Yuri No Sanko. He didn't play No Sanko, but he played like a CIA agent, or, yeah, I think-- - Yeah, he's a Tom Hanks without the jovial spirit. - Let me clarify something here. This manager, is this like the famous manager, who was telling them to only eat meat? The guy, the bear, like his nickname was bear, is it that? - You looked at it. - Oh, okay. - Not that I know of, no. - Eat this meat bear, what's that? - You pull up the Grateful Dead's manager real quick, and I'm curious who this was. - The boys about-- - Sorry, you're asking about something. - Pull up the Grateful Dead's manager. I always thought this was this, this, the dance, like his nickname was bear. Can you pull that up? Grateful Dead's manager bear? I can be totally wrong about this. - Courtney Love's dad was probably, is it, is it? - Grateful man. - Scully, rock, scully, and Sam Cutler. - And then put the bear-- - Yeah, make sure Courtney Love's dad, someone gave it to him. - Okay, different, oh no, that was Ausley's. - I got, that makes way more sense. Ausley Stanley was this like famous LSD chemist. I got my-- - Yeah, wait, somebody's just telling me to trash on him and I don't remember who. - Yeah, people just recently started talking shit about him for some reason. - Well, because all those acid people are directly from the CIA. CIA-- - It's one of the things I love about the CIA. I mean, how can you hate them all the way when they were making such great LSD? - No, wait, why would Ken Keezy be driving around in a bus giving out free LSD? The way they gave out Paxil samples when SSRIs came-- - They, what the fuck, did they really? - Yeah, the cool eight acid test. - No, I know the cool eight acid test, I didn't know about them. - The lie that he stole the LSD and went on a merry pranking is such a crock of shit. Oh, we got distracted here. - You do? - I have to, my-- - Oh shit, it's-- - Oh god, yeah, you gotta go. - I just still got a little bit. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, let me get another part. - You all have to get another part. - I'm Kurt Sandler. - I mean, I think that, uh, I, listen, don't wear your ice off as a uniform to your shell. I told you, it's really weird. Did you ever, you ever accidentally join a, I used to buy a mistake and stuff? - Who has it? I thought I was working at 'em all. - He just sat and applied for something. He got a proof. - You needed a job. - Yeah. Hey, I say, I'm a cop now. (laughs) Growing up, we always drove either undercover cop cars, my dad had, or-- - Like the Blues Brothers? - Yeah, we did, we had one where you do a J-Turn. If you, like, yeah, my dad made me do a defensive driving class before I got a driver's license and I had to go in with a bunch of police officers to a racetrack in Virginia. We're like, Paul Newman was that and I'm like, dad, you know, but anyway. - Wow, and but he was only, okay, because, you know, the punching story is not great, but, you know, I've heard way worse stories, such as Courtney Love's CIA, dad, you know, it sounds a good deal, even worse than being punched, believe it or not. Do you think like, do you think you were, 'cause you're in gate, right? Do you think that you, I was in it and I don't remember a goddamn thing about it. - Yeah, I don't remember a lot either. I do remember we made these gigantic masks, which is weird, for a ball that was gonna happen in Washington DC. - Okay, that's terrific. - I made out of, like, chicken wire and paper mache. - Are you joking? That's like the little, I wasn't prepared for you to sell that. - That's sad. - No, I didn't even think of that. Oh my God, it's like, eyes wide shut, fucking. Oh my God. - Wait, but okay, what? (laughing) - I was in six and six grade. - Oh my God. - I knew it was high school. I knew it was elementary school. - You're going to a ball! - But why? Okay. - I didn't even say it. - We ran out of time. We had to make that a chicken wire mask. - But all right, thank you very much for calling in. - That was a really great story. - Please come back on the show. Please come back on the show. Thank you so much. - Okay. - So if you guys know anybody who could help me put all this together, 'cause I'm, I can't hear you. - Well, you found the mystery boy. - The ADHD dyslexia wrap. - That's exactly the problem we have, and that's why we solve mysteries professionally now. - That's right. - Maybe I'll just, I'll be a mystery girl. - Okay. - Yeah, absolutely so. - We annoyed you. The first official mystery girl. - Yeah, we didn't even think it was possible scientifically, but now we know it is. - Of course it's possible. - And there's so much more like Epstein's stuff and more stuff about my dad and everything. So, like love talking to you and more stuff. - All right, thanks, man. - Thank you for what you do. Thank you for your service. - Thank you. - Thank you. - It's a bad time someone thanked us for our service. Oh, look, dug in the sunstone popping out of his bag. - His sunstone's heating up. - Thank you. We gotta do this again. Thank you. - All right, bye guys, bye guys. - God bless you. - Bye. Oh my God, look at the Sunstone popped out. Look at it, Tanner. I thought you were gonna have to use your slender boyish fingers. You link from Legend of Zelda like handstone. - Can I hold it? - Okay, oh yeah, you have gloves on. - I'm safe. - Holy shit. - Don't get, I mean, I dare. Do you want to touch a Sunstone, boy? - Yeah. - Okay, come on, hopefully. - Should I hang up? - Oh yeah. (laughing) - Yes. (laughing) - Sorry. - Oh my God, I'm sorry. - You weren't supposed to hear that. (laughing) - Well, I think come touch a Sunstone, boy. I just said never gonna touch a Sunstone. - Hang up. - Oh yeah, wish you want more memories. - Get in here, Tanner. I'll take this Sunstone. - Oh my God, now listen. I know when you're out with your little puppet friends and you're gonna have, I think it's fun to make a homunculus by why should I think real careful about who you use your seed, what cow you spread it with? (laughing) Pokemon. Here, wait, you don't give me that back. You can touch it. - Get back a Sunstone, boy. - Yeah, don't, I don't like you got a delinquent haircut. - Look at him running off with your Sunstone. - He looks, if I was playing a hearty round of Pokemon, you would look like one of the bad guy trainers. He looks like a bad guy Pokemon trainer. And I'm sorry to say that. - Yeah, I'd like you to look more like this cop, who's like the original corrupt cop of the 50, look at this guy. He's got like the fat, his chin has a pot belly. - By the way, those are beautiful obos. Like those are like such. - Those are the three roughions. - The one in the back, the one in the back is pretty fucked up. He looks like he's got a bag and a bam. - So wait, just look up the term psychodrama so I can explain this to him real quick. Look up psychodrama. So I didn't know what it was. And I had Michael L. Hoffman who wrote, I need that book back so I can thank Michael L. Hoffman's book. - Yeah, I'll bring you on the next episode. It's an experimental form of psych-- - Totally, this shit blows people away. - Okay, so it's also not a therapy. It's a method of mass mind control. And so-- - And every dynamics, this one is-- - So why are there 33s? And why is there always this and this in a big traumatic event? You know how a lot of times the violent event that everybody hears about the real story wasn't what they said it was. You don't find out till later. But they always make sure to have these things that are psychological archetype triggers. So at the ice when you, you know, and I know you, it wasn't you, but you know when ice, when they executed pretty and good on 33rd street. - Pretty, pretty. - Yeah, a guy named Good or a chick named Good and a guy named Pretty. - Yeah, all right. - And it's like the end of pretty good. That's psychodrama. That's again your subconscious. And that's the program. And meanwhile, we didn't master port any illegals. Trump made them legal. He totally, if you went into deporting illegals, he fucked you on that stupid. And yeah, her dad, that's a pioneer of that happened in him personally. 'Cause we talked to Darrell James, Secret Space Force veteran. And you hear like they were already doing this shit to her dad and adult. What they could have been doing to soldiers underground. They could put a whole reality in your head that feels as real as reality. And therefore it is, I don't know what I'm, if it felt real to you, how are you gonna know? - Who are you to judge? - Well, you've got, you do look like the judge of all time and reality right now. - I'm just a man. - You do look like the fairy man to a degree. - I'm a simple man. Just a simple man. Numbers, these numbers and tales. I love to listen to him, but come on. - I brought you a glove back fairy man. That means you must take me back to the shores. - We gotta, guys, we gotta focus on what really matters is the Fourth of July. And there's a heap warning everywhere. The planet's heating up. - Yeah. - Why? - 'Cause so much gay fucking. And masturbating, beach masturbating. - Global friction, I call it. - And so let's focus on. - Use some lube, but the straight or move is just locked up. - Real quick. - Can't get a lube no more. - We talked about doing this. Guys, it's heating up. If there's a few things you could do in the heat, drink water, make sure to drink lots of water. And what's another tip for folks that might- - Wait, what is goo-goo-goo-ning? I don't even know what that is. - We don't have time for goo-goo-goo-ning. - What is it? Oh, is that what you're saying? - People goon so hard they're age reversed back, so you just find an infant. - I think that should be an entire episode, but essentially it's the premise that you can masturbate yourself back into being a baby. Like some people, basically they've been finding babies sitting in like stinky computer chairs in front of like- - Surrounded by hot cheetos. - Surrounded by cheetos, and they think that masturbating too much will actually reverse age you all the way back to being a baby. And a lot of these babies obviously have passed away 'cause, you know, they're just babies. - But do you understand that like all the rocket science that we have is from somebody gooning in the desert, right? - Yeah, that's for sure. - Like, you can't remove that part of it. That's vital to rock. I don't understand why, and I asked Eric Weinstein why, and you're called, did he have any answer? - Ah, not a satisfaction. - I think he wanted to stop talking to me about it. - Yeah. - As a distinct impression, I got. - The point is, like, I think it clears your head. - That's a ritual. That's- - If you're working with rocket fuel, let's do it. - This ritual bullshit. You're working with rocket fuel. It clears your head. You're shooting rockets up into space. You need to come first. - No, you don't come, you don't, that's the thing you goon. And you hold your vital energy in until it raises up. Like, as Jim Carey said, secretion Jesus. - Yeah. - Because people are crazy anyway. So, think of what they did with all these in-cell dudes that are not just gonna go try to go meet a girl. They're gonna sit inside doing sexual rituals. - Mm-hmm. - All over a computer together. All at once to fucking, like, animated furry creatures and shit. You see that fucking magical ritual happening? That's why the dog man sightings are up. 'Cause you kids goon too much to furry shit. - And if you are a gooner, we don't judge you, but there's some things you should look at. - You want a dog man to stop? You gotta stop. - If your hands as you're gooning get softer, smaller, smoother. You could be turning into a baby. - And this is one of the many warning signs. If you have cravings- - Oh, and guess what a dog man eats? Guess what a dog man likes to eat the most. - Fucking jerk. - A freshly aged, regressed baby after a fifth, but probably seventh density gooning. - This is some kind of toxoplasmosis style symbiosis between dog men and gooners. - Um, I'm saying since gooning dog man sightings have gone up, you have formed the central processing and possibly the ram for this dog man thing to run on. - That's right. - With your gooning, you're forming the base, you're powering it like the matrix that creates the dog man. Is these weirdos getting sissy hip node and furry poorned up 'cause they're on SSRI, so they can only be aroused by cartoon colors now. All gooning at once. - This is what I- - Do you understand what you've been doing? - This is what I've caused the flurry of earthquakes that we witnessed. - And that's why your friend Buster stays in that box at another couple episodes. - He's not coming out. - Do you understand that? That's why Buster, oh where's Buster? I'm sure people are gonna be saying- - Buster's sleeping. - Buster's sleeping. I mean honestly, he's probably gooning in there. Now they think about it. That's really, we should have kept him where he could keep our eyes on his hands. - I have heard a weird rustling knocking coming from in there. - And I think he has his phone, so. - Oh god, Damien, who left his phone in there? - I don't know, it's my, you know what? It's my fault 'cause I paid for the phone. I mean, I could have cut him off. - If I was serious about this, don't I? - Because he was parental control. - We're probably gonna be attacked by a dog man any minute in this studio. - Well, thank you for joining us again for another mystery boys. We solved a lot of mysteries. - We also learned some new mysteries that we didn't get to the bottom of. - And we made a few. - There's one money in mainstream- - Look at that, look what's on the screen. - Please pull him out. Are you channeling Tanner? Are you using a Ouija board to communicate with this? - I don't even think that's Tanner. I think that could be fucking Buster. - Oh, you think? - Hacking their system? - All right, well let's see. - Telling us to pull him out, don't pull him out. - Whoa, hold on. - Hold on. - Hold on, this is like a dangerous criminal. - Oh my God. - Be careful, you mother fucker. - Sorry. - Oh. - Wait, what do you have on his fucking hand? God dammit, you guy, are you serious? - Yo, he gooned his hand off. - Oh, he didn't goon his fucking hand off. - You're fucking. - He was gooning too much in his hand. Look at that. Oh, that's on a hand. - Buster, come on. Just the inside of a flashlight. - He's actually throwing that in the drawer. Oh, it stinks, it's sticky. What the fuck, Buster? - What's the big deal? I just turned her legs. Who did that love to get him? - Buster. - You guys are squares. What's the big deal? - No, Buster and EG answer me very honestly. - Sure, I'll tell you anything. Go ahead. - Were you projecting your consciousness throughout time and space with that goon? - No, I'm just coming. It is good. - Okay, all right, good. - I'm just going to goon and, man. Everybody, listen up out there. Are you gooners? - I'm going to be goonin. - Hold on. - And the midnight, on July 3rd. To come, what just is July 4th comes in? - You want Buster to read this? Or would you like to read this? - Sure. No, I don't want to read that. I'm disgusted by you, Buster. - Did you ask the question of the AI overview on chat GPT? - Yes, astronauts likely engage in sexual activity and masturbation in space. - Second. - However, zero gravity environments present logistical challenges such as avoiding floating fluids and preventing separation, meaning standard practices. What does that mean? Separation. It means you open your mouth and let that cheese come on Ian. That's why to clean up G's and zero G's just to eat it That's Goon and Keep oh my god Moon Moon Goon. What is that? That's Moon Goon go to Moon Goon Or use off-road mystery boys to get 10% off proprietary and Exclusive interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson if I'm not mistaken. That's right Dot com to Busters exclusive interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yeah, he's great dude We do it together. We're Neil. Yeah, what's the big deal y'all a puritanical fucking scanta sex negative squares I love jerking off with my pals Wow, what I sure got the watch the world cup with Neil deGrasse Tyson Wow, I guess boy who I always wonder like how could people watch soccer but I guess that's the only way I get there go It's a great way. Yeah, I just you just enjoy you. It's good man. This is this is a this is a goon summer Yeah, everybody's good and don't listen to them. Yo, it's a brat summer as they say It's a goon summer baby, and it's the last summer Yeah, what what do you mean the last summer? What do you mean? Why are you being all quiet now? You guys heard that right He said the last summer was that is that a screenplay? Buster and are you coming? Yes, all right. I was gunning. Oh What the fuck are you doing without? Absolute mistake. Just put him back in there. Oh, fuck it. Hey, put that. Oh, yeah, you put the pussy in here. Thank you You should give it well. He's not gonna learn now All right. Well, that's another mystery. I wish we had none covered that mystery Thank you for tuning into the mystery boys. This is the most important Podcast on earth right now tell your friends about it. Don't be afraid and also refrain from gooning This July unless you want to be attacked by a dog man Are you on there to be earthquakes or do you want the first? Hopefully we'll be back Yeah, I don't know after this one. I don't know. All right. We leave them in there We leave a sign out let the dog man handle it What the fuck lock the drawer. I would advise lock it. Is that you know the dog man doesn't devour you like you think what does he do? He locks eyes with you and then he starts licking his own balls Stop to make sure yeah, your frozen fear and he just sits down and licks his own balls and he looks up to make sure you're Make an eye contact and you know you better keep watching Why do you have to keep watching it's like how that gnome communicated to you without without words? Yes, he's just like I let you live but you just you gotta watch you watching what I do you move you see why I'm Look that is I just had a flood of memories that we don't have time to get into but you see that look That's the look of the dog man, and that's what that little That's horrible Well, okay, well, I want to tell you something most of the country has this memory burned in their brain at this moment Grow most of the Midwest look up dog man sighted. Oh, you just activated a lot of sleep reagents with that image Yeah Okay Yeah, stop doing it. Oh my god look Michigan Because you know where Michigan's the source of a lot of furry porn and gooning. That's a fact if you look up the porn searches Have you looked them up? What porn searches and from porn hub over every year. Oh, yeah, of course. I'm just telling you furry porn. It hops up a lot goth You know, where is that they should do a weather map of porn searches. Let's see a 20 25-year-old review. Yeah, let's take a look See what we're doing here Let's get some insights Notice to law enforcement. Uh, yeah, you can't do this shit in Texas. You got to get a you know There's no way to look at porn in Texas at all. It's impossible Absolutely. You give VPN. No Honestly, I thought that too, but Buster told me exactly what to do. Yeah, you dumb shit. You're just gonna be being I mean he's right about that Buster shut the fuck up VPN sure you live in pornography China here in Texas Fuck I gotta get out of here. Yeah me too God bless you Stay alive look. 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