The podcast features a reflective and conversational exploration of modern cultural shifts, beginning with the host’s observations of Venice, LA’s transformation from an indie to a corporate environment. He contrasts this with his personal experience of quitting Instagram for three weeks, noting he didn’t feel deprived and instead found peace in unplugging. He highlights how younger generations resist being recorded, preferring private, intimate moments of shared screen time with family. A central theme is the belief that future cultural rebellion will emerge through live, underground, non-digital experiences, echoing the idea that the revolution won’t be televised. Listener questions spark deep curiosity—Sarah proposes researching plant communication and AI’s potential to decode whale sounds, while Mark shares a fondness for Good Times and inspires a playful idea for a three-person sitcom. The host concludes with live show dates, a call to audience engagement, and a heartfelt appeal to reconnect with authentic human moments amid digital saturation. The tone is both critical and hopeful, celebrating resilience, nature, and the quiet power of real-life connection.
This is a HeadGum Podcast.
Yeah, you do. And I look like Grandpa Joe just with my face.
Right. I did forget that we were recording until about. That's not like you.
Until about six minutes ago. And I'm so relieved that I got it together.
Yeah. And how did you get it together? Like, because it doesn't look like you got it together
from where I am, because you're in bed.
Yeah. I'm in, well, I'm in Venice in LA.
No, I'm in Venice at Parv's and I complete. So I just, I've been scrambling. I have to
borrow a laptop. And then the only room that doesn't have like children and busyness in
it is this, is the bedroom.
Yeah.
So do you like Venice?
Yeah. It's definitely a different town than when I was there. It had a little more of
a, I mean, affluent.
Fully indie vibe.
Oh, really?
Yeah. On Abbott Kinney. I lived right around.
Indie on Abbott Kinney.
Yeah. Yeah. Very indie. It was just like independent coffee shops, bookstores,
little restaurants, and that there was nothing like what it is now.
I can imagine that. Yeah. Now it's like sort of yuppie and then mixed with really sketchy.
Yeah. Well, I mean, Abbott Kinney is just. It's like every big store is on there now.
It's wild. It's really wild.
Yeah.
But I still enjoy it. You know, it's just different. It's kind of similar to aspects
of Austin. Like I lived there when it had way more of like the Keep Austin Weird vibe
that they're famous for. And now there's like some weird pockets, but it's mostly like
real stuff.
It's really high end. Cool.
Yeah.
Same with Denver. I mean, so many places that are just like, wow, this is different.
So like, where does that end? Like, where are we headed? Will it be cyclical?
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, everything, there's such a leaning into like corporate. Delegation. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's just, it's wild. But then I'm sure that'll be rejected. And then,
you know. I hope it's, we need a rebellion against, like you going off Instagram. I hope that
Gen Z eventually is like, we don't want any of this.
Well, my kids, like if I take a picture or video of them, they're, they are like disgusted.
Really? They're like, remember it with your mind.
Yeah. They're just like, stop, stop taking pictures and videos of us.
Oh, I love that.
And I'm like, I'm so sorry. But you're right. What am I doing? But it's like, I don't know.
It's like, I wake up and I walk into their room and they're just like,
snuggled together, watching, independently watching their own, they have their iPad
time in the morning. And they sit next to each other with their own shows, like
Finn's watching baseball replays, Max is watching The Simpsons. But they also watch each other's
screens. And then they'll reach over and pause each other's screens and rewind it without ask.
It's like, it's like just one being. You know what I mean?
And it's so cute.
Yeah, that's pretty cute.
And it's hard to just peek in and be like, good morning, guys. And then not just stand there
going, this is the cutest thing ever. Yes.
What's that quote? Like the revolution will not be televised. I can't remember what it's from. But
I do feel like that's the next, the next wave. It'll be live performance. It'll be
like an underground thing. I don't know. I hope so.
Oh, I think it's, it's inevitable.
It's got to be, right? I think people are going to look back and go, I can't believe that we
let people use the internet. It's so, it's so bad and addictive. I think they're going to be like,
that was crazy that we even let people near it.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I'm three weeks.
Three weeks sober off Instagram.
I'm three weeks off Instagram. It is completely fine. Like I, I'm just like,
there was nothing I was missing. There's not, it's just like, I, there's things where it's like,
as I've mentioned, I mentioned on that one episode where it's like, oh, it's fun to kind of like,
I guess, brag that like, oh, I'm on this project coming out or, oh, I did this.
But yeah, it's also like, people will see it. Like, I don't need to make the announcement.
It's fine. You know, I wonder, I feel like weed was so linked to counterculture in the past.
And, and not that, I mean, I got into so much trouble getting in cars with strangers and stuff,
trying to find weed as a teenager. I don't want that for young people. But now that it's so,
it's like a weed store, it's like an Apple store. Like where does that counterculture come from?
I don't know. Yeah.
Well, it's even just in gay culture that like it used to, used to be. And,
and now it's, it's not at all really. I mean, of course there, there is different,
uh,
uh, I, I just mean specifically gay. I'm not talking about like trans or non-binary,
but like being gay is, is borderline almost mainstream in ways, you know?
Well, in some places, but.
Well, that's what I'm saying is like borderline, because in some places, like it is not,
I am obviously not talking about places that where this doesn't apply. I'm just talking,
about how in like TV shows and, um, yeah, just, there's like a gay character that that's what I
mean. Like mainstream, like, oh yeah, of course there's a gay character. Yeah, no, it was so
recent. Very, very, very. And even coming out, like there's so many stories of young people
feeling like coming out is lame. You just don't even come out. You just,
you just are and you let spreads. Yeah. And you just let the world catch up with what you're doing.
And again, I'm not saying that's everywhere with everyone, but it's, there's that borderline of it
of there's it's, it's different. Yeah. I hope, I hope, I mean, that pride is a protest, that
slogan. I hope that I think that I wonder this year, I hope that it feels like that again. Anyways,
I'm doing well. I, uh, I slept last night. I've had the most insane 10 days, 11 days. And, uh,
just one of those crazy back to back travel every day, land someplace, have meetings and things,
and then no sleep travel. I went to sleep and I got my best night of sleep in years. It is wild. I
was startled when I woke up. You woke up like, what happened? Oh my God. Did I sleep? I slept.
Oh my God. I slept. Oh my God. Yeah. What did you dream about? Uh, there were no dreams. Oh good.
That's good. So then you're, yeah. No, if you dream, that means you're, you're in a deeper sleep.
Oh really? Okay. Yeah. Sometimes though, I wake up exhausted from, from dreaming
nightmarish things. Like last night I dreamed I was stabbed by a haunted blade that cursed me.
And when it stabbed me, I started speaking with a British accent. That was the dream. And I woke
up like this. I was making this weird noise. Are you still recording your night noises?
No, I've taken a break and I need to get back into it. Yeah. Cause I would love to have heard.
Yeah. Um, should we listen to some questions? Oh, I would love that. That's why we're here.
Yeah. That's why we're queer. Get used to it. Get used to it. Hi, handsome. My name is Sarah.
And I'm in Portland, Oregon. I have a question for you about research and science and nature.
I'm wondering if you had access to any amount of money and all the knowledge in the world.
And there was a question about nature that you wanted answered, whether that be something
botanical, biological, ecological, hydrological, mycological. Yeah, you get it. Um, yeah. What
would it be? What would you research and why? Okay. Sarah's smart.
I mean, what if she knew all of the equal words? Yeah. Mycological. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
mine would be cosmological. It's just that, like, I need some answers to things like
black holes and. Oh, talk to Max. Yeah. I would like to. Yeah. Yeah. I need, I mean,
it's just the big questions of, about, yeah. Whether the laws of physics,
supplies.
everywhere in the universe whether quantum entanglement is real black hole logical black
hole jicle black hole jicle yes black hole jicle and um yeah it's about the fabric of our
of our universe that's what i want to know like on and and on the smallest most quantum level
because they're so it's so mysterious like there's so much that we just go wow yeah
that's crazy we just accept it and it all kind of make like it all feeds into itself and
works together and and and it's like wow it just does that i guess yeah like particles can be in
two places at once and we just go wow okay yeah okay yeah i think we know nothing so
yeah i think it would be about that dimensions and things yeah
what about you
dimension and logical
i don't know if mine is is quite right but i think i'm just i'm curious what
and i i really am scared of and intrigued by simultaneously the discussions around
um ai but i wonder as destructive as it is will it um potentially be helpful in ways with nature and the planet and
with nature and the planet and
with nature and the planet and climate change and um or is that just insane i mean i it's really
climate change and um or is that just insane i mean i it's really hard when there's like experts saying
hard when there's like experts saying
hard when there's like experts saying both things about yeah yeah yeah so you're saying like could it
both things about yeah yeah yeah so you're saying like could it actually escalate a big awakening for
actually escalate a big awakening for
actually escalate a big awakening for us maybe like it
us maybe like it
us maybe like it yeah or find ways to um yeah
yeah or find ways to um yeah
yeah or find ways to um yeah fix or um inform us yeah uh
fix or um inform us yeah uh
fix or um inform us yeah uh in in ways to like
in in ways to like
in in ways to like there's a hurricane coming or an earthquake
there's a hurricane coming or an earthquake
there's a hurricane coming or an earthquake you know could ai um
you know could ai um
you know could ai um wildfires yeah why are we not seeing that
wildfires yeah why are we not seeing that
wildfires yeah why are we not seeing that yet like my my
yet like my my
yet like my my big conspiracy theory is that something's
big conspiracy theory is that something's
big conspiracy theory is that something's going on in the oceans like
going on in the oceans like
going on in the oceans like orca are planning things or aliens live
orca are planning things or aliens live
orca are planning things or aliens live down there something's happening because
down there something's happening because
down there something's happening because i'm like why have we not by now fed in
i'm like why have we not by now fed in
i'm like why have we not by now fed in whale sounds to ai
whale sounds to ai
whale sounds to ai decoded what they're saying and we're
decoded what they're saying and we're
decoded what they're saying and we're communicating with whales that seems so
communicating with whales that seems so
communicating with whales that seems so easy well let's get started let's get on
that, you know? Let's get down there and record those guys. I want to hear what they're talking
about. And there's some shady stuff going on. Like the government just came out and said it's
illegal to talk to dolphins. And it's like, why'd you make that law suddenly? What are you afraid
of them telling us? Wait, where did you see this? Thomas, is that real? Also, it can't be real.
Two guys recently have claimed that they were kidnapped by dolphins to build underwater cities.
They were Florida guys. I don't know. Are you sure that you're getting actual information?
I don't know. Another reason I had to get off Instagram. Yeah, seriously. Like, I'm like,
is this a real cute baby squirrel I'm looking at? Yeah. Is this a real news story? And then I was
So there is something called the Marine Mammal Protection Act, and it makes it illegal to try
to interact with dolphins.
Uh, because you could, you know, mess up their vibe, you know,
let's see. I'm just trying to read. For example, when adult dolphins become accustomed to getting
food from people, they're young, might may not learn to forage.
Okay. Yeah. But does it say you can't talk to them?
Yeah. I'm not saying anything about talking.
Is it illegal to talk?
Talk to dolphins.
Is it illegal to wave to dolphins?
Oh, it says that it's no. Yeah, you're right.
Yeah.
Should we hear Sarah's answer?
Well, also, can I say that it is wild that so many of the people who created AI and the CEOs
of these companies have quit and are saying this will destroy us and we cannot be using this. And
we're all just like, ah, anyway. And they made it, they created it.
I think for me, a long time ago, I read about a study about a scientist who had recorded like radio frequencies or something of plants and how they changed when things in the environment changed or a human walked by and it was how like plants communicate with each other. So I'd want to know what plants were saying about us and about each other. Thank you so much for all the joy you've brought to me. I've listened to every single podcast, every one.
Thanks, Sarah.
Does she mean every podcast ever made or ours?
Not just ours. Yeah.
Thank you, Sarah.
But also, that is very juicy. Thinking about the trees communication networks, their roots and things.
Yeah, yeah. Isn't there something like you were talking to the jar? It wasn't a plant, but you're talking about some things and rice, right?
Yeah.
Which is basically, you know, a plant.
Yeah, you're right.
And it was mold.
Molding and mold is living, isn't it?
Yes, it is.
See, we know this stuff. We don't need a high school education.
Yeah, we're scientists. No, I don't need any more information.
My dearest handsomes, this is Mark in Bristol in the UK. I'm a huge sitcom fan. They've got me through some very difficult times. And I'd like to know, who is your favorite sitcom character of all time and why?
Oh, wow. That has. I got a little shiver of excitement there at this question.
I know exactly who mine is.
Do you?
Yeah, I do.
I wonder if I know you well enough to guess, but I. Oh, let's hear.
Is it someone from, like, a wagon train or something?
From the Waltons.
From the Waltons, yeah.
No, that wasn't a sitcom.
I think I've talked about one of my favorite sitcoms.
I've talked about one of my favorite sitcoms of all time.
I think I've talked about one of my favorite sitcoms of all time was Good Times.
Good Times?
It was, yeah. It was just such an incredible balance of comedy and intense drama. And all in a half hour. In whatever, 22 minutes.
Wow.
And, I mean, I loved everyone, but I really loved the dad. In fact, he died in the past year or two. His name was John Amos. And he was like. made the show what it was yeah deep elaine fan yeah those are my answers i want should we hear
what mark says i wonder if they'll be british ones like the royal family is a a british sitcom that
everyone loved my favorite is gotta be uh megan melalee's karen from will and grace i could just
watch clips of karen over and over again all day i think she's comic genius but i would love to see
the three of you in a three-hander sitcom together i think uh yeah you've got to make that happen
okay love you guys thank you mark yeah three's we'll remake three's company yeah perfect never
seen it but yeah imagine the three of us do you think you would be i feel like you would be the
kind of like fortune would be the wackiest character don't you think well yeah of course
yeah fortune would be kind of coming in every morning like a ball of energy
singing of course i'd be in a crisis always and you'd be kind of dryly
receiving it all and commenting on it it works yeah who wants to make this yeah
yeah well that was fun yeah absolutely always is always will be always will be i'm gonna be
in albany new york come on out and see me in peakskill new york and clayton new york and
spokane washington eugene oregon la i have some dates rochester new york colorado springs
go to tignotaro.com for all show information eugene oregon there's um jerry garcia's widow
has a weed farm up there and his daughter and eugene oregon he's got a deep connection to
eugene anyway none of what you just said is surprising yeah um i am on june 10th at largo
in la uh and that's kind of it for live shows oh i'm i'm in uh guelph
and yellow knife in mid-july kind of uh doing music festivals but check out maymartin.net
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The host reflects on the transformation of Venice, LA, from an indie, authentic neighborhood to a corporate, upscale area dominated by big chains.
He draws parallels between Venice’s shift and other cities like Austin and Denver, noting a growing trend of commercialization and loss of countercultural essence.
The host shares his personal journey of quitting Instagram for three weeks, stating he didn’t miss it and finds a sense of peace in unplugging from digital culture.
He observes Gen Z’s resistance to being documented, noting their preference for private, shared moments of intimacy through independent screen time.
The conversation explores a belief that the next cultural revolution will be live, underground, and anti-technological, echoing the idea that “the revolution will not be televised.”
A compelling question from listener Sarah proposes researching the communication of plants and the potential of AI to decode whale sounds to better understand nature and climate.
Listener Mark asks about favorite sitcom characters, with the host naming Good Times and John Amos as a deeply personal favorite, sparking a fun collaborative idea for a three-person sitcom.
The podcast ends with host suggestions for live events, a call to audience participation, and a hopeful vision of returning to genuine human connection amid digital saturation.
Summary:
The podcast features a reflective and conversational exploration of modern cultural shifts, beginning with the host’s observations of Venice, LA’s transformation from an indie to a corporate environment. He contrasts this with his personal experience of quitting Instagram for three weeks, noting he didn’t feel deprived and instead found peace in unplugging. He highlights how younger generations resist being recorded, preferring private, intimate moments of shared screen time with family.
A central theme is the belief that future cultural rebellion will emerge through live, underground, non-digital experiences, echoing the idea that the revolution won’t be televised. Listener questions spark deep curiosity—Sarah proposes researching plant communication and AI’s potential to decode whale sounds, while Mark shares a fondness for Good Times and inspires a playful idea for a three-person sitcom. The host concludes with live show dates, a call to audience engagement, and a heartfelt appeal to reconnect with authentic human moments amid digital saturation.
The tone is both critical and hopeful, celebrating resilience, nature, and the quiet power of real-life connection.
FAQs
The host decided to go off Instagram to break free from social media addiction and to observe how daily life feels without constant digital engagement. They found that they didn’t miss the platform, especially since they didn’t need to announce achievements publicly.
The host believes the next cultural revolution will be live, underground, and anti-Instagram — emphasizing live performance and authentic human connection over digital content and curated appearances.
Yes, under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, it is illegal to attempt to interact with dolphins, such as feeding or trying to communicate with them, because it can disrupt their natural behavior and foraging habits.
The host's favorite sitcom is 'Good Times' because of its unique balance of comedy and deep, heartfelt drama, and they particularly admire the character of John Amos, the show's father figure.
The host mentioned that plants may communicate through root networks and environmental signals, such as changes in radio frequencies when humans or animals are nearby, suggesting a form of plant intelligence and interaction.
The host wonders if AI could help decode whale sounds or predict natural disasters like hurricanes or wildfires, suggesting it might be a powerful tool for environmental monitoring and understanding nature's signals.
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