PRESENTING CLUES: Celeste Rivas Hernandez: The Case Against D4VD

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Welcome back to Clues, where we sneak past the crime scene tape to explore the key evidence behind some of the most gripping true crime cases. I'm Kayla Moore, and I'm going to be the one digging deeper into the timelines, the backstories, and the court files released on these cases. And I'm your internet sleuth, Morgan Absher. I'm the one who's diving into the Reddit forums and anything else I can find online to talk about the lesser-known details and pull up the threads that just don't add up. Don't forget to share your thoughts on social, want ad-free and early access to Clues, and the rest of the Crime House lineup? Subscribe to Crime House Plus and get at least two bonus episodes. From across Crime House every month. To join, go to crimehouseplus.com, or if you listen on Apple Podcasts, tap Try Free at the top of the Clues page. Now let's get into the case of Celeste Rivas Hernandez and the clues that defined it. This is probably one of the most jarring cases I think that's happened in modern, recent times with internet sleuths and a public figure. And I'm absolutely bewildered by it. I'm just like, I don't understand the thought process and how deranged this all is. It is incredibly upsetting. Everyone listen to this one with care. It's even hard for us to like read through parts of it. Like when we were doing the research and stuff, like I found myself having to stop a lot to like. Yeah. And there's so much on social media. Like I think that's what I'm, I think that's what I'm having the hardest time with is, you know, there's a handful of, a handful of journalists and TikTokers that have been let into the grand jury and they will immediately come out and get on TikTok and describe exactly what they just saw in horrifying detail. And I'm like, I feel like we're losing a lot of respect here. Yeah. And Celeste is kind of getting lost in this. Yes. And it just is so deeply upsetting. Yeah. On all fronts. I know this is going to be a really tough one. This is a, this is a 14 year old little girl that was killed. Yeah. In a horrific way. Everyone's mad at all the adults and families involved. Oh yeah. And it's just, it's quite frankly a shit show. It is. It really is. And so we wanted to have a place where we were just going to put together all the information. Where we're at. Keep everything organized, where we're at. So we're recording this before the arraignment that's supposed to take place on August 31st. So we're just doing it with all the available information that we have at this time. Hmm. More stuff I imagine will come out at the arraignment, but. Definitely will. With that, we're going to start getting into it. As a reminder, if you're watching on YouTube, you're going to see pictures, videos, maps, those kinds of things that will help you visualize the case. And if you're listening, you can find all the same assets on our Instagram. That's at clues podcast. You should follow us there anyways. And just again, a warning very clear before we begin. This episode does contain discussions of murder, dismemberment, sexual abuse of a child, sex trafficking, grooming, emotional abuse, and more. So if you're watching, we're going to start getting into it. As a reminder, if you're watching on YouTube, you're going to see pictures, abuse, and intimate partner violence. So please just listen with care, you guys. And another quick note before we get started, this is still an active case. So despite how horrible and how shocking some of the things we're going to talk about are, no one in this crime is legally guilty as of this recording. So just keep that in mind. And all criminal defendants are legally innocent until proven guilty. And with that, we're going to start at the end of August in 2025, a year ago. One of LA's wealthiest streets, someone is really sick of looking at this abandoned car that's been sitting on Bluebird Avenue since late July. It's a black 2023 Tesla Model X. Now, this is a part of the Hollywood Hills West neighborhood called the Bird Streets. Some of the most famous people on earth live here. We're talking Keanu Reeves, Jennifer Aniston, Drake, Leonardo DiCaprio. There's houses in this neighborhood that sell for $70 million, some even more. But unlike flashy Bel Air, which is the neighborhood next door, the Bird Streets actually keeps a pretty low profile. Most of the people who live in LA honestly don't know that this part of the Hollywood Hills exists. People only drive through this neighborhood if you're visiting someone. If you go on one of those tours that we have here in LA where you're visiting the houses of famous people, they're not going to take you through this neighborhood. People pay for this privacy. The side streets are all dead ends. The through roads are really windy. And like most of the neighborhoods, the roads are barely two cars wide. So it is actually a problem that someone has ditched a Tesla there. And it's very noticeable. This is not a neighborhood where you just leave a car on the side of the road. And it's actually been there for so long that Apple Maps has a picture of it on their Street View cameras. Someone picked it up and put it on Apple Maps. That's insane. Plus, this car is starting to look like an eyesore. It's covered in dust. It has a big dent in the back. There's tape on the bumper, trim that's missing over the wheel. And based on the neighborhood I just described to you, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Very out of place. So an officer comes out on August 27th, but he just writes a warning and then he moves on. And then the same thing happens on September 3rd. This time, though, the car does get a ticket. Finally, on September 5th, the officer comes back. The car is still there. So they just call a tow truck. The Tesla gets towed to Hollywood Tow Yard. It's five miles away. And no one really thinks about it again. I mean, this is L.A. Thousands of cars get towed every single day. Maybe not from this neighborhood, but how many cars get towed? No one really thinks about it until a few days later. That's when workers at the impound lot call police because they've noticed that this car smells so bad. There is a very strong odor that's coming from this car. And around 1220 p.m. on September 8th, the LAPD sends detectives over to take a look. And they notice the smell, too. Right away, they walk up to this car and they're just hit with this smell. So they tape off the area and they pop the front trunk of the car. And inside is a zippered black body bag and a black trash bag. Both have human remains inside that look like they've been dismembered. The remains are very decomposed when they look. They can tell that she's female and has wavy black hair, but there's really not much they can discern other than that. This body that they find is still dressed in a tube top, black leggings, socks, underwear, a yellow chain bracelet and stud earrings. There's also a tattoo on her right index finger that reads shh shh h dot dot dot. Now, in this moment, detectives don't know who this girl is, and they, from the state of the remains, can tell that it's going to take some time to find out. But already, you can get a sense that this is turning into a story that's going Because as they're looking at this active crime scene, you can hear choppers. start flying around overhead like the news has picked up on this and is now circling this lot and the reason that the choppers were on the scene so fast is they figured out who the cars registered to almost right away his legal name is david anthony burke but he's better known as david spelled d4vd i've heard so many people call him deforvid not realizing that it's pronounced david he's this millionaire he's a massive tiktok star at the time i didn't know who he was and someone played me one song and i was like oh my god i've heard that song it's everywhere on tiktok it's he's one of those people you've heard his voice if you didn't even know who he was he's a major label recording artist and right now while detectives pull a dismembered body from his tesla that 20 year old star is out on a world tour right away not even really knowing what happened officers know that there are charges to press you starting with the unlawful mutilation of human remains it was too early to say if the young woman had in fact been murdered i'm sure that they had the sense that she had there is a lot more evidence you need to be able to to say with 100 certainty that this person was murdered yeah they could have died of natural causes and then was dismembered and put in so i get it i know hearing that people are like what do you mean she was dismembered of course but yes yeah there's a lot that could have happened where they're like maybe it was a murder or something like that it was an overdose and someone panicked you don't know you need to do a thorough investigation totally but i think even then they they had a sense that this was probably going to be a homicide investigation regardless it's too early to say what happened or who was responsible and just because the car is registered to david burke i mean it didn't prove that he had anything to do with this and i think right when the news started coming out people assumed that he didn't have anything to do with it i think a lot of people were like oh my god someone probably stole this guy's car and put a body in it or something i remember that being yeah the headline i mean his fans whether it's on discord reddit tiktok his fans were like there's absolutely no way you mean they were really coming about defending him initially and so of course there's i mean this is a major artist he's surpassed a billion streams on spotify he is yeah huge again on tours so he's not even there he's not even there he hasn't been there for months and because he's been gone for so long i mean there's a lot of people who are like oh my god he's gone for so long could have been other people that had access to his car and as the story spread a spokesperson for david comes out and says that he is quote fully cooperating with the police so once detectives finish at this impound lot scene they tow david's tesla to a police facility the next day september 9th an lapd criminalist went through it looking for more evidence like being really thorough and she made some really grim discoveries which brings us to our first clue the evidence inside the tesla car there were at least 11 air fresheners packed into this car most were in the center console there were some in the back seat some up in that front trunk area which like a lot of people refer to it just as the frunk yeah that's what they call them on tesla's and there were so many like in that area and there was a lot of insect activity that like you can't even really tell that there's air fresheners like there's maggots covering the air fresheners yeah yeah obviously these air fresheners didn't work and there was a lot of insect activity that like you can't even work as impound lot workers were able to smell this and the car still reeked when it was processed even after celeste's remains were removed again there were a lot of insects huge numbers of fly larvae all over the frunk that suggested that the body had been decomposing there for a while and she was also able to spot stains that looked like blood the investigator sprayed blue star it's sort of like a luminol all over the interior of this car and several spots lit up the third row seats the left side paneling and the lower cargo compartment in the rear trunk and here's the thing about the rear trunk the model x has a false floor that you can lift to reveal a hidden compartment underneath so finding blood down there when the body was found up in the front also suggested that she had been moved after she was put in the car which again is why this is looking more and more like a murder but again that is ultimately going to be the medical condition of the body examiner's decision yes so the very next day before the medical examiner even did an autopsy the lapd got a phone call a man named jesus riveras thought that the body might be his daughter celeste abigail ribas hernandez he said that the police description matched celeste down to that tattoo that was on her right index finger the sh tattoo and celeste's mother mercedes martinez said celeste had been dating a boy named david and also he had the same tattoo that she had plus jesus knew something about his daughter's tattoo that the police hadn't released yet it was in red ink not black which matched the body in the car detectives requested celeste's dental records to make it official but they were already pretty sure that her father was correct if so that meant something really big and really disturbing and that is that this victim was a minor which means that they could be dealing with potential additional charges before anyone could think about the charges they needed to know how celeste had died though so that same day september 10th two lapd robbery homicide detectives went to observe the autopsy and that was performed by dr grant ho it is our second clue the advanced decomposition made the emmy's job so much harder there was a large number of what he called in his report defects now in an autopsy a defect just means a place where the skin is split injured or damaged they use that neutral word because not every split is a wound and reports do have to hold up in court yeah now this next section does describe how celeste was found and if that is triggering for you please skip ahead in this case two of the defects stood out dr ho believed that they were two stab wounds one in her right abdomen deep enough to penetrate her liver the other in her left lower chest cavity damaging her ribs he determined that those two wounds were her cause he couldn't pin down a time of death though but he believed that she had been dead at least a few weeks maybe a few months at that point and the manner of death was homicide although this determination was not released to the public until three months later on december 9th this was now officially a murder investigation and there are three other important findings from this examination too first there were tiny bits of blue plastic that were found on the body of celeste that was embedded in the cut marks where her limbs had been severed the me couldn't explain it so his team collected the fragments and sent them to evidence second her left ring finger and pinky finger were missing every other part of her was in the tesla but those two fingers were just gone third toxicology with no blood left they had to test liver tissue instead it first came back positive for benzodiazepines or benzos which can be a type of anxiety medication and also came back positive for meth but further testing was negative for benzos and inconclusive for meth and we have talked about this in other cases decomposition especially this severe can throw off these toxicology reports so the tests are all still up for determination but they were confidently able to say that she was indeed stabbed just not in a way that killed her instantly the me believed that she lived at least a few minutes before dying of blood loss and she most likely wasn't drugged which means she was probably conscious when this happened it's a horrible way for anyone to die but i mean they're looking at this 14 year old teenager child and it just makes this all so so much worse like it or not crime is an unfortunate reality in today's world we all share the same deep-seated desire to keep our loved ones safe and our homes secure but for many traditional self-defense options feel too extreme too dangerous or simply too complicated for the heat of a high stress moment you need a reliable effective way to protect your family without the heavy legal and emotional burden of a firearm that's exactly why the burna less lethal launcher system was created trusted by over 700 police departments government agencies and private security firms across the country the burna launcher features powerful non-lethal deterrence to stop a threat in 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on the morning of september 16th 2025 eight days after celeste's body was found dental records did confirm that it indeed was celeste abigail rivas hernandez celeste is so much more though than how she died. She was born on September 7th, 2010 in Lake Elsinore, California, which is about 70 miles from LA. Celeste was the youngest of three. She had a brother, Matthew, and a sister, Jennifer. Her parents became US citizens in 2001. And it seems like their family did come on some hard times in the recent past. So a neighbor had told NewsNation that the family spent 2019 and 2020 in public housing. Celeste would have been nine years old and 10 years old at the time. Eventually, the family worked through the challenges and they moved into a little Spanish colonial house that had this picket fence and a terracotta roof. And they had a custom Hernandez family sign out front. Celeste went to Lakeland Village School, where people described her as being studious, hardworking, smart. Neighbors knew her by her long curly black hair. And most days she stopped at the corner store for candy and takis with friends, some that she had known since kindergarten. Her parents also described her as loving to sing and dance. And the family had this ritual where they would watch movies together every Friday. But it seems like there was maybe a bit more going on with Celeste, maybe that her parents weren't aware of. So we know that in middle school, she briefly dated a boy named Damian Hernandez, who also went to school with her. He said that Celeste was always talking about running away. According to Damian, she didn't describe there being abuse at home. She just didn't like the environment. Then on February 14th, about 19 months before the discovery, she actually did leave home. She left a note. We're not entirely sure what it said. And she slipped out at around 2 a.m. A home security camera did catch her walking away. Her family reported the 13-year-old missing. And by 918, the next morning, they put up posters all over their neighborhood. Her mom, Mercedes, posted on Facebook begging for help finding her. And Celeste eventually did come home. We don't know when that happened. We don't exactly know how she she made it back home. But she was upset about all of the publicity that her parents had drummed up over the event. She ran away again the next month on March 19th, 2024. And again, her parents reported her missing. And once again, she came back. Neighbors remembered her being dropped off by a police cruiser at least once. But law enforcement didn't give any more details. We know that she was gone again by April 5th. Once again, she came home. People in town saw her with her parents later that night. And they said, oh, she's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. But then before she even finished middle school, she was gone again. However, this time she didn't make it back. As detectives are getting to learn more about Celeste, they begin looking into their person of interest as well. So they paid a little visit to David's rental house at 1368 Viero Place, which is right around the corner from where the Tesla had been parked. This is clue number three for us. The forty three hundred square foot mansion has four bedrooms, five bathrooms, a pool, a private gym, terraces, even a grand piano. David was paying twenty thousand dollars a month for it. A month. A month. So on September 17th, with David still on tour, police served a search warrant. Just like with the Tesla, a criminalist used Blue Star to hunt for hidden bloodstains, and they found them in the garage. There were seven damaged black rubber floor mats. They had cut marks in them. There was no blood visible to the eye. But under Blue Star, they lit up. So did a rowing machine, a Tesla charging plug. There were green tarps and a trash bag that lit up. And inside that trash bag, they found bloodstained cleaning wipes. Now, later DNA testing did confirm Celeste's DNA was on the wipes, the charger, the rowing machine and the floor mats. There were also two chainsaws in the garage, which did not have blood on them. But there was a blue plastic inflatable pool that did. It was also covered in cuts. It had pieces missing. A criminalist saw this and compared it to those bits of blue plastic stuck to Celeste's clothes that she was found in. And she found three fragments that fit specific holes in the pool coming together like a jigsaw puzzle, essentially, is how they describe it. Yeah. I mean, at that time, police still hadn't named a suspect, at least publicly. Which people are starting to go like like crazy about this online. Yeah, this is what I remember this when he was still on tour and they were starting to put things together and she had been named and the tattoo came out that they had matching tattoos and still that he's not named as a suspect. The Reddit also was going wild during this time as well. And we'll talk about all the social stuff a little bit later. But like the Reddit for David was having posts about this on it. Yeah. And like all the moderators left. There were people being accused of deleting these posts, pointing this out so much. So like all the moderators left. Yeah. Subreddit got shut down and then a new one was made in order to gather evidence against him. Like people are like, yeah, why is he still on tour? Like this is unacceptable. Oh, my God. Absolutely. I will say, like, I think the public opinion is fully against him. Like there were people that were really defending him at this time on those Reddits, the moderators, too, who now fully flipped. Yeah. So even the people that were staunchly at the time, like I don't think anyone defends him. I would hope not. But yeah, I remember when all this was happening. And so September 19th. It's two days after that search and 11 days after the body was found. That's when David finally canceled the rest of his tour. By September 26th, movers had cleared all of his belongings out of the Bird Streets house. And instead, he quietly moved into another rental, which was two miles away behind the Chateau Marmont. And so we were talking about the Reddit. So around this time, fans are on the Reddit. They realize that in his subreddit, the R slash David subreddit, he is most likely the only moderator left. Like there's one moderator left in the his fans basically figure out that it's just him. They also accused him of deleting posts about Celeste's murder and removing at least one of the other mods. And hours later, the last moderator left the subreddit, which when that's how Reddit works, when all the mods leave, they just auto lock it so no one else can post. Yeah. If it's a big sub and it's not being moderated properly, Reddit will reach out to you. They try to help install new mods. They're they're pretty good about making sure that communities are safe and protected. Yeah. Yeah. Which is great. And so a lot of his fans also went over to Discord. There's a server called David's Closet, and the name is a reference to David's claim that he recorded his first hit in his sister's closet using his phone as a microphone just to have music for his Fortnite videos. So in this subreddit, a 16 year old fan, an amateur hacker who goes by Ghost, noticed that one of the mods there was also deleting messages. So Ghost downloaded the entire history of the hashtag general channel, which was over three. Gigabytes. And he uploads he or she uploads all of it to the Internet Archive. Later, another former fan built a tool on GitHub to make the archive easier to search. I remember David had really put together this community of like incredibly online young fans. So his fans are. I mean, you have a hacker here. Like they're literally hackers. They're a little tech. They're literally going on Discord, downloading like gigabytes of information, uploading it to Internet Archive, making it searchable for everyone. Like it was so fast that they were able to turn against him. And so they also find a Discord account that they believe belonged to Celeste. And there's exchanges on this Discord that go back to as early as 2022. And quick math. At that time, Celeste was 11 years old and David was 16. Mm hmm. One message from a since deleted account showed a girl's left hand wearing a small ring and had a tattoo of David's name and red ink on one ring finger. That photo is unconfirmed. I will add. But the police do believe that it matches a tattoo that Celeste had. And David got a matching red ink Celeste tattoo on his own left ring finger, which gave detectives a possible explanation for something that they found in the autopsy, which we talked about. But Celeste's left ring and pinky finger were missing from the scene. They were never found. And so they were able to find a and it could be that those would have had identifying characteristics on them. So if we have messages going back to when she was 11 and he was 16, it makes sense that he was trying to hide elements of their relationship. And he's also online. He's deleting messages about her. It turns out that their relationship was actually not very well hidden while it was happening. So fans pointed to anonymous posts from two different Redditors. Both of these Redditors said that David had dated a girl at their middle school. And one mentioned that this girl had run away. Those posts went up before the body was identified. It was just when the body was found. These posts go up. So we don't know that they're specifically about Celeste, but the posters weren't working off of the news. They didn't have other identifying information, and they still provided things that matched Celeste. Meanwhile, as David's former fans tried to get him arrested, his close friends, ones that still cared about him, went into damage control. So unnamed associates told TMZ that all of David's friends knew Celeste and thought that she and David were a couple. A lot of them had seen the two together, but the sources claimed that they all thought Celeste was a college student at USC. Like, I know even one of them mentioned, like, she was 19. She was as young as 12, 13 when they first would have seen her. Yeah, and I'm sorry. Like, I think that argument of, like, she looked a lot older. No, she did not. I've seen pictures of her. That was a child. A child. Like, so little. Yeah, and the internet is like, we have eyes and ears. We know that that's false. So two friends in particular, a streamer named Neil Langston and a model named Asia Collins, they got flooded with comments accusing them of being complicit in the abuse, maybe even a potential murder. Asia put out a statement saying that she was no longer friends with David and was, quote, working in silence to bring justice to Celeste Rivas in ways that I can. And Neil posted something similar. He said, quote, at the end of the day, this case isn't about me. It isn't about you. It's about getting justice for the victim and her family. And I care a lot more about that than trying to fill the void because of public opinion. Yeah, I mean, at this time, you have everyone going through TikToks of the three of them. There's one in a bathroom where there is a menopause. There's a mention of like a smell and they all kind of share this glance. And so people are like, again, the court of public opinion. They're like, they know everyone's guilty, especially when you have David putting tweets and spamming his discord with the word decay just like a week after. Apparently, people were going over to his house and he would immediately apologize about the smell. Like there's a video that exists of him. It's like a Snapchat or something where no one says anything about the smell, but he's like. Sorry, my bathroom smells like I just took a shit in there two hours ago. And it kind of comes out of nowhere. So and that was after the murder would have occurred. Yeah. So you already see these hints that he was that people were maybe figuring out that something was going on or like they were going to his house and they could smell that something had happened. Yeah. But what was the discord decay? So he went on X, formerly Twitter, and I believe let me find the exact date on it. So on April 30th, 2025. He just tweeted one word decay. And this would have been roughly a week after Celeste had been killed. And then there's him going on his discord, which is just like getting flooded decay, decay, decay, decay, decay, decay, like because he tweeted it. That's from him. Oh, wow. He's like one single decay on Twitter. And then his discord, he's just spamming with the word decay. So it's like now in hindsight. Yeah. Everyone's starting to. Analyze this discord data and like all of his his socials and all of these things. And they're like, this is a really weird thing to tweet when a decaying decomposing body was just found in your car. Yeah. Why are you tweeting that? Yes. It reminds me of Mackenzie Shirella when everyone was mad. She dressed up as Playboy Cardi, which a lot of the adults read as just dressing like a corpse after you had killed someone. And then now you're saying that he's tweeting like decay a week after he just or, you know, we haven't gotten to that. But yeah, a week after Celeste was killed. So David went from being a rising star to essentially radioactive. I mean, you just see pop culture completely turn against him. I mean, before the end of September, figure skater Elisa Liu, she went on to win Olympic gold. She was like a fan favorite. She's amazing. She pulls all of his music from her skating program. Then there's Kali Uchis, who has a song with him that's just taken off of streaming. She has it removed from streaming services. Lots of celebrities start unfollowing. Cats Eye starts unfollowing him. Ice Spice, Tyler, the creator, Addison Rae, more. And the final blow to his career, David gets dropped by Darkroom Interscope Records. Unceremoniously, there's no announcement. It just happens. Now, detectives are tuning a lot of this out to really keep their eye on this goal, which is like catching Celeste's killer, figuring out what exactly happened to her. And they had something they hadn't publicly revealed yet, which is our fourth clue. Now, it turns out the LAPD had looked into Celeste way before her death. On February 17th, 2024, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department was investigating her first disappearance and actually found David's number in her cell phone records. So deputies called it. David picked up and admitted that he had chatted with Celeste on either February 13th or 14th. But at this point, he's claiming that he didn't know she was a minor and he had no idea. He had no idea that she had been reported missing. Still, the Riverside PD asked the LAPD to go and do a welfare check at David's place, then in West Hollywood. And LAPD officers knocked on David's door at 8.15 p.m. and started asking about Celeste. Again, he said he didn't know she was a minor. He claimed he had only met her once in November of 2023. Otherwise, they only chatted online. They didn't find much there. The fact that David had a yearbook photo of Celeste saved on his phone at the time. Officers noted that she looked to be about 11 in it and was wearing a Batman sweatshirt. And just two days after David told police, I know nothing, I haven't seen her, whatever he's saying to them, Celeste does come home on her own. Fifth clue, David's cell phone records. Search warrants in this case are still sealed, but we can assume the police wanted their chat history, plus his texts, location, calls, I mean everything. And sure enough, his phone is full of evidence. There are tons of texts between Celeste and David, but it's the photos that really just, I don't even have the proper word, like shook investigators. They took pictures together all the time. Some showed them kissing or cuddling in bed. Others showed explicit sex acts. And because of Celeste's age, those photos are actually considered child sexual abuse material and have to be handled completely differently. It's to protect the victim. I mean, even looking at some of this material can traumatize investigators, so they're very, very strict with it. And it usually can't even be shown in court. It has to be described out loud instead. And I've heard that even the descriptions traumatize jurors. Like, it's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. But still, Celeste, don't worry about it, my love. David, you so much stronger than me. I love you. Celeste, I love you more, my love. It's okay, though. Neither of us are capable of watching the baby. David, when you gonna get it done? Celeste, two days. David, my mom said I have to ask this question. Don't get offended, but is it mine? Celeste, of course it is, David. He's being strong, saying, don't worry about it, my love. Don't worry, we're not able to take care of it. And he's even admitting, like, you're stronger than me. She is, for not being an adult, she is the adult in this situation. And it's so sad to read text messages where she's the one who's, like, more mature. Yeah. I mean, at 12 and 13, too, there's other messages between them that got shared where, you know, he's like, you got to be on top of your shit. You need to get the Flow app and start tracking. Yeah. So I have that one. So that's from November 25th. 2023, where Celeste goes, currently manifesting my period because I refuse to have kids. And then David, did you miss your date? Hmm. You should start tracking. Use Flow. I know that's why you should start tracking. It's ovulation week. It's important. I just need to make sure you're on top of your shit. And then Celeste goes, if I'm pregnant, I'm not having it. So he's fully putting it on her. Yeah. Takes two to tango, but he's fully putting it on her. Yeah. Be on top of your shit. He is abusing a minor and telling her. I get so f***ing mad, Morgan, when I read about this. It's disgusting. Child. And then you're telling her, like, be on top of your shit because I'm going to get in trouble if you get pregnant and I'm going to go to jail and my life will be ruined. So, like, you need the apps and you need the medicine and stuff to make sure that you're not getting pregnant. Oh, my God. I mean, and again, this relationship, this grooming has been going on since she was 11. It's just this is years down the line now. And it's again like she's 13 having to make this huge decision about a teen pregnancy or an abortion. In middle school. In middle school. In middle school. I don't know. The biggest thing I did in middle school was a field trip to an amusement park. Like, it's just like it's. Yeah. Because you're a child. It's insane. Like, you are so little and it's just insane. Absolutely insane. So, obviously, things progress. They go through text messages from February 2024 where David talks about something that they call Operation Awesome. Or she goes, Operation Awesome going to be so hard. And then he says hard is in like hard to do. Or hard like the full Balenciaga fit hard. And then she's saying, like, I don't know what to bring. And he's like, we've been over this for weeks. Anything you use and can't replace immediately, you bring. Clothes, you like makeup, jewelry, shoes. I'm giving you two duffel bags when I see you. Yeah, essentially, this was a plan to sneak Celeste out of her parents' house with her belongings and basically move her in with David. He tells her that this day that they move her in is going to be, quote, the most important day of your life next to wedding. He says he'll have someone named Sheldon drive him to her house at 11.50 p.m. on February 14th. He even offers to hide so he can help her carry her bags. Detectives later learned Sheldon was David's live-in bodyguard. And all three times when Celeste went back to her parents, David repeatedly complained in text about, quote, police and posters. Posters referring to, like, the flyers up about her being missing. And he's complaining about the fact that her parents are looking for her. Yeah. There's one message from June 2024 that really stood out. This is four months after that LAPD visit with 13-year-old Celeste back home. Then 19-year-old David texts her, quote, I can't wait to move in together without the cops bitching, baby. He says they can solve all their problems with a, quote, four-year vacation and getting married in Italy. And, like, I think he's doing the math in his head because he's like, four-year vacation, you'll be almost 18. It'll be legal. It'll be legal. You know, Italy has interesting laws, too, with, like, extradition, I know. That's coming up in another. Case right now. So, I feel like maybe they're looking at, like, Italy as this refuge and where can you go? Oh, that's interesting. I know Roman Polanski could never go to the Venice Film Festival because if he ever stepped foot in Italy, they could send him back to the United States. So, that's why he's had to hide out in Poland. I'm pretty sure that's why. Yeah. Yeah. So, interesting. On top of all of this, there's a lot of explicit texts. I mean, there's so much explicit content with this. It, again, is, like, very upsetting and shocking. And, just, sad. But, towards the end of all of these texts, the tone between them really does shift. On March 24th, 2025, Celeste texts, quote, This isn't happening. I feel like we can't have a balanced relationship. Maybe if things were different. All we do is have sex and hang out, man. I want more than that for myself. End quote. In April 2025, they start fighting about David's relationship with model Asia Collins, who had reportedly gotten a lot closer to him after, appearing in one of his music videos. On April 22nd, Celeste threatens to, quote, End your career and your life. Over Asia spending time at his house. I mean, this is, I think, a quote that's gone pretty viral. And, it was kind of over Asia sitting in her chair and her just feeling a lot of disrespect. You have the text. Do you want to get into it? Yeah. I mean, we have the whole exchange from the 22nd. I can read some of it. I mean, David does not seem that concerned that she actually is going to, end his life in these text messages. But, she goes, Can you tell me why you want to be friends with Asia? And, he says, Here it says, Unspecified reply. Basically, he states that Asia is just a friend. She goes, Bro, just bump her. There's no need for friendship. Keep her as an acquaintance, like Lane or Rob. And, you're really saying you'd end our friendship just to be friends with her over me? That's disturbing and disgusting to me on a deeper level, David. It's actually crazy. And, he said, When did I say I would end my friendship with you for her? And, she goes, Someone who's known you for years over someone you for one year. Bro, I said I didn't want to be friends with you if you want to be friends with her. Why is she at your house then? And, he goes, At my house when? And, Celeste sends an address. And, David says, For Coachella, Everyone came over to get wristbands. So, Asia was over for that reason. And, that's when Celeste says, Oh, my fucking God. I swear to God, I will kill you. She was in my damn seat. I will strangle you to. Death row. I will tell my dad so many fucking lies about you. I will end your career and your life. I will damage anything. She posted, At your house, you weirdo. I think that those texts were shown in a very specific context in court of, like, I know that they're trying to say that anything that was done was done in self-defense. She was saying she was going to come over and kill him. She was saying she was going to strangle him. And, that's what a lot of legal experts online are saying. Like, they're pointing to these messages as, like, this could be what his defense team uses to argue self-defense. Yeah, yeah. Like, that's what we'll be using self-defense. We'll doubt. Yes. But, if we look at them in the context of the entire story, of their entire relationship, you have a 14-year-old girl who's been abused and groomed since she was, since, allegedly, since she was 11. And, now things are ending in the relationship. Things are changing in the relationship. She doesn't have a lot of stability in her life. No. Abortion. With him at 13. Had had an abortion. For him, potentially. And, since that abortion has expressed a lot of regret and sadness in text messages, too. Yes. So, emotionally, mentally, just, I don't know. I would imagine a lot of turmoil and just. Drained. Yes. This is so, it's just. And, so, you can see it. And, we don't know that she did any of these things. We know that she sent a text message saying she would. But, we don't know anything that happened in that house. But, we do know he had a pool full of her blood that was all chopped up. And, the pieces were found in her dismembered body. So, like, I don't think you can look at any of those texts and be like, well, she probably. You know what I'm saying? Like, does that make sense? And, it's, it's, it's difficult, too. Because, at this grand jury, the defense is kind of trying to poke holes and, you know, question those on the stand of, like, could this have been self-inflicted? And, then, you know, the dismemberment happened after. And, I think it was the ME that was on the stand. It was like, no, this is, this is homicide. Yeah. And, so, you can kind of, you know, based on the questions and how they were asked during the grand jury, you can kind of. Yeah. See what the defense is trying to, like, prepare. Suss out. Yeah. That they can get away with. That they might be able to convince people. Yeah. And, again, like, this is, this is a child, like, still at this point. A young teenager. And, it's just. Yeah. It's insane. The very next day, on April 23rd, they text about David sending an Uber to Celeste's house to pick her up. Which. Police confirmed did happen that night at 8.40 p.m. And, it dropped her off at David's mansion around 10.10 p.m. There's a text message exchange that occurs at 10.01 p.m. She texted him, quote, Girlie Pop, I'm almost there. Open your door if you are home. To which David responded, quote, Got you? Adding, about 10 minutes later, quote, Gate open. Door unlocked. And, that Girlie Pop text message was the last text message Celeste ever sent. Later that night. David sent a flurry of texts to her phone asking where she was. Police investigators are kind of reading this as an attempt for him to build an alibi. Made it look like she never arrived. But, based on this whole exchange, detectives were convinced that Celeste did indeed make it there. And, that David stabbed her to death almost as soon as she walked in. And, they believe the motive was right there in those texts. I mean, Celeste had explicitly threatened to ruin David's career. And, she was doing it at, you know. Maybe a very challenging time. Because, two days after that last text, David's debut album, Withered, was released. To me, and maybe this is an unsolicited hot take. You have this 14-year-old texting you these things. Like, why do you, as a 21-year-old, send an Uber the next day? Yeah, right. If you were so scared that she was going to kill you, why are you sending? It just doesn't add up for me. I know. I don't think it adds up for anyone. We will see how it plays out in court. Well, what's interesting, too, is the people who, because David was working on his album. And, was, like, writing more music as all of this was happening and in the coming months. And, everyone that he was working with noticed he felt super locked in. Like, it really sounds like no one suspected anything. Like, it wasn't, like, he was able to just go back to the studio, sit down, was working on music. 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So after reading all of David's texts with Celeste, detectives had a pretty clear theory. But they still needed a lot more to tie him to the murder. Which brings us to our sixth clue, David's alleged suspicious purchases. Once they were finally able to get his financial records, a few purchased items really, really stood out to them. For example, on April 24th, a shovel from Home Depot delivered via Postmates. On May 1st, two chainsaws bought on Amazon. Remember, two chainsaws turned up in the garage. They did not have blood on them, they were tested with a very, very specific like pH test. And it wouldn't have been that you'd be able to wash the blood off. Yeah, that's my understanding. That would have still read. Yeah, that was my understanding too. May 4th, he allegedly ordered a third chainsaw again through Postmates. The third chainsaw was never recovered. May 5th, backed Amazon for cadaver bags, laundry bags, and the blue inflatable pool. Then on July 7th, a quote, burn cage, a device for incinerating things, again from Amazon. All being purchased on Amazon. The biggest paper trail you could ever have. That's why I'm like, I don't understand. The car is registered to you. Like everything about this is so traceable. Which is so strange because it does feel premeditated to me. If she showed up and then immediately he killed her, there was some level of premeditation, but then didn't think through any other element of this, like where he would dispose. Remains or how he would do it, which is so, it's just disgusting. Police actually were able to locate that burn box during the search. It was tucked behind the piano. And all of these were bought under one of two aliases, either Victoria Mendez or Travian Davis. Again, okay, I'm a master genius, whatever, da, da, da. He has that name in his text messages. So on December 1st of 2023, he texts Celeste. I have different names and aliases and shit though. I go by Travian Davis here. All my purchases and everything. He literally says in his text messages, all my purchases I do under Travian Davis's. And she goes, please be joking. And he goes, nah. So I don't know if he was, if that was just like the alias that he was using and he just made the purchases, whatever, or if he thought he was going to get away with it because he was using a different name, but whatever. Just like the worst idiot I've ever seen. Again, it's baffling. It's like, what was he? I just don't, I mean, clearly deranged. Again, having a relationship with such a young minor, like the CSAM, like all of this, deranged. We didn't talk about it a lot here. Like we, I think specifically haven't gone into David's backstory a whole lot because I don't think it matters. I don't find him to be an interesting person at all. But one thing he did say in the Rolling Stone long form piece on this, they mentioned that David does have a quote from a 2023 interview he did, like early 2023 interview he did, where he offhandedly mentioned that he used to be addicted to gore videos. So there is something, like I have seen people talk about his internet usage and his like, how he was a loner. He liked using the internet. He liked using discord. It was all anime and it was all like comic books and stuff that he liked. But what gets lost was he was addicted to gore videos for some time. And I do think that that is indicative that there was something very, very dark inside of this person. And he was maybe, this was like also maybe a fantasy. Yeah. I mean, there's another music video where he kills someone and puts them in the trunk of a car. Yeah. So what he ended up doing is almost like it was fantasized about through his music. Yeah. I think so. I mean, there's unreleased songs that have since been leaked and it's like trapped in a Tesla, locked up in a Tesla. And it's just like, what the f***, dude? Like you do, you do this and then you potentially allegedly are making songs about it. Yeah. And the music video where he's putting someone in the trunk, right? That's before the murder took place too. So this was like a long time in the making. Again, kind of, is it premeditated then? Was this a fantasy? So with all of this, detectives had very strong, but very circumstantial evidence. They didn't want to move too early and jeopardize the case because there were still some big things that they did not have. For instance, they didn't have a murder weapon. That one chainsaw, if that was used in some way, never recovered. They do think she died from stab wounds. They don't have the specific artifact that was used. There was also no confession. On top of that, there's not a witness to the murder itself. So investigators make this unusual move. And in November of 2025, they convened a grand jury, but they didn't indict David. It was an investigative grand jury, which can subpoena witnesses and compel testimony, but it can't hand down charges. So basically, they use this as a way to force people to talk, though these people could still plead the fifth. They didn't have to. And if and when they did talk, though, it would basically stay a secret. So grand jury proceedings are routinely sealed. So this wasn't going to be something that TMZ was commenting on every day. And what ended up happening? So there were three consecutive grand juries. We still don't really know what happened because they were sealed, except for one thing that we do know from this. So that and it revolves around Neil Langston, a fellow streamer. He didn't show up after being subpoenaed and he actually got arrested for it. A week later, though, he did testify because he had to. And he was apparently never formally charged for failing to appear. And it's also since come out that David's parents and his brother were called to testify, but they successfully fought their subpoenas and never appeared. And basically, right. All of this, a completely unexpected piece of evidence turns up, which brings us to our seventh clue, a passport card. By the time prosecutors convened their grand juries, they already had David's cell phone location history and data from the Tesla, too. So they knew that around 1130 p.m. on April 23rd, 2025, what they believe is the night of the murder, David's phone left his house and traveled all the way up to Santa Barbara County. And Tesla, tracking Tesla data does match this as well. What they didn't know, though, was why. Then on January 7th, 2026, almost exactly four months after Celeste's body was found, a highway maintenance worker kind of gave them a hint as to why he was doing traffic control on State Route 154, just east of Painted Cave Road. And he ended up spotting a passport card in the brush on the side of the road. He picked it up. He said, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't with no idea that it might be evidence in a murder and saw that it belonged to Celeste Rivas Hernandez. The California Highway Patrol rushed to the site. They collected it. And the spot where it turned up, I mean, this is pretty remote. The nearest business is a yoga retreat center, but it's on a road to somewhere that could matter. I mean, it's on this road that leads to Lake Kachuma. It's a 3,100 acre reserve. And again, David's Tesla data show that the car had on one occasion searched directions to Lake Kachuma. Yeah, I'm looking it up now. It is, I guess it's even north of Montecito. It's really in the mountains too. Yeah. Just up this winding road. And it's, yeah, it's, I'm just like, I'm stunned that they were even able to find this passport card that this, you know, this maintenance worker, I'm stunned that this maintenance worker even like came across this. But again, it speaks to though, like, what were you thinking? Like, I don't know. I don't know. No, it is very confusing. I agree. It's a very confusing thing. Where you're like, it's just, you just tossed it. You didn't bury it. You had an incinerator. You didn't burn it. You had an incinerator that you hid behind your piano in your rented home under your name while you're on tour. So you're not even home and like all this stuff's being investigated, whatever. And, but like the, it's the passport card that you drive up, which I don't know. And he took the fingers. I think it was just like anything he felt like interested in getting rid of. It's just so, but it's all so stupid. Like he, charged the tesla on this journey as well yeah like your car you have a tesla do you know how much data it's a tech company that makes a car like no i mean come on he's an idiot like he actually is an idiot in every sense of the word every sense yeah so after the passport turned up prosecutors floated a theory maybe this explains the missing murder weapon and third chainsaw david could have dumped those maybe even celeste's two missing fingers are out there they could be in the lake like it's just the possibilities are endless now at this point because they do know what he was doing up there which is at least destroying or trying to destroy evidence yeah so on april 16th 2026 prosecutors felt like they did have enough to make a move and david burke was arrested on suspicion of murdering celeste rivas hernandez he was still in his hideaway that little place he had behind the chateau marmont officers in bulletproof vests brought him out in handcuffs and david's defense team led by celebrity attorney blair burke they put out a statement and it says quote let us be clear the actual evidence in this case will show that david burke did not murder celeste rivas hernandez and he was not the cause of her death there has been no indictment returned by any grand jury in this case and no criminal complaint filed david has only been detained under suspicion we will vigorously defend david's innocence and four days yeah good luck four days april 20th david was formally charged with one count each of murder continuous sexual abuse of a child under 14 and unlawful mutilation of human remains now in california quote continuous sexual abuse of a child is a more serious alternative to unlawful sexual intercourse the state's term for what is commonly called statutory rape it carries steeper penalties but prosecutors can't stack it with other sex crimes tied to the same conduct so it is like just part of their strategy i guess and trying to get him the most amount of time behind bars so the murder charge came with four special circumstances murder of a witness murder for financial gain lying in wait and use of a deadly weapon murder of a witness because celeste was allegedly about to disclose their relationship which would have been reporting him for a crime so she was witness to the crime of the grooming and abuse she would have reported that he killed her that's murder of a witness financial gain because prosecutors said that the murder was about protecting his career that's how he makes money that's murder for financial gain lying in wait and deadly weapon that speaks to how calculated the murder allegedly was and adding special circumstances is something that puts the death penalty on the table in theory though we've talked about this before you actually can still get the death penalty in california we do have a lot of people who have died in california who have a moratorium on executions we haven't executed anyone since the early 2000s but death penalty is on the table so in the meantime david was being held without bail but as he was booked into jail officers noticed that he still had celeste's name tattooed on his left ring finger less than eight months after celeste was found in his tesla 21 year old david burke was arrested and charged with her murder he has entered a not guilty plea as of this recording his attorneys say he's in and whether or not he's convicted the whole thing has left a lot of people utterly confused the crime sounds sloppy david has everything to lose everything which brings us to our eighth and final clue what we seemingly know about david's mind i mean this is celeste's story not david's again like he's the least interesting like david yeah not an interesting person but there are kind of what we were talking about before just like the stuff that he mapped out in his career that led up to it because that is going to be stuff that in theory gets brought up brought up during this investigation so i think it's worth talking it can't be ignored and so looking back david was telling the world for years that he had a lot of violent thoughts i mean again that breakout single is called romantic homicide the lyrics include quote in the back of my mind i killed you and i didn't even regret it i can't believe i said it but it's true i hate you in the music video he introduces a murderous alter ego of himself named itami which is japanese for pain the video even has a funeral like scene with a woman who appears to be latina with long black hair playing a victim murdered by itami david later explained that itami came from an idea he had for manga one where he'd play detective solving murders committed by his own evil alter ego now being into dark manga is far from a confession but there's more i mean there's there's so much more and as fans dug through old tiktok reposts they found that he was constantly resharing videos about hurting women out of jealousy there was one captioned quote me watching her scream after pouring boiling water on her after she told a boy happy birthday because why are you happy he made it another year that's the stuff that i see people just coming upon on their their social media and liking because it's just like a it's funny but it is that like type of humor it could be a reach no but i'm also like what is that doing to your brain if that if you're just seeing that kind of stuff all the time like is that actually you know i just think people need to be really careful about like the diet they're consuming on social media yeah because i do think it's getting darker yeah and as we saw with the mackenzie shirilla case too like all of your social media can be used against you yes so why engage with that be really intentional online with the stuff that you are consuming yeah i mean there's so much online discourse around this david was extremely into what he called his lore there's hundreds of screenshots and clips that look suspicious in hindsight yeah i know he was like the four and david was like part of like he was going to do four universes or something like four different characters with story and lore the lore comes up a lot like he was very obsessed with like the lore he was building for his brand yeah and i mean people have gone through concert clips they've posted clips of celeste watching with david's family from backstage showing that you know she's there family knew everyone knew there's a clip from twitch with celeste it's said to be from january 2024 where david says quote you know i media trained you that's controversial and celeste replies quote as controversial as you raping kids and then david ends the stream yelling quote delete everything at the time his fans laughed it off as an epstein joke you know that hilarious guy epstein it's just so funny like what i'm just so confused i also like flagging that celeste is there with his family like your family is there with a 13 year old girl and not asking any questions or being like knock it off there's just so like she was i mean she was going to like tara yummy parties she was going to like parties with them like she was she was around everyone it wasn't like this was so secret she was failed by so many people and that all it takes is one person to come forward to say something to talk to her to talk to just to like make noise about what's happening because he's been abusing a child for three years in public and no one said anything and like i don't we've seen the yearbook photo of her in the batman sweatshirt she looks like a child like when she was 11 she looked like a fifth grader because that's what she is i mean she was so tiny too so i just don't understand how you're bringing her around and no one is saying anything no and this is coming up a lot too i mean obviously her family was at this grand jury they're listening to the way her body was found you know at a certain point they do leave the courtroom i think it's during when the autopsy photos are being shown and there's a lot of online calls to also hold the family responsible in this like yeah they let their child go to london with him and i think you have a little bit about that to get into but yeah it's like this this whole thing and then like everyone's calling for action it's just like i just it's gonna be insane how this all plays out yeah so that kind of brings us to the latest updates that we have in this case a preliminary hearing was held between july 21st and july 27th of 2026 preliminary hearing just requires the prosecution to show probable cause to move towards trial so the defense usually does and this is what we talked about the defense doesn't usually present evidence or call witnesses it's not for the defense they can cross-examine but they typically don't do much more so what morgan was saying of like you can kind of start sussing out what arguments might work on your behalf as the defense which is how we get them kind of sussing out if self-defense is a good thing so i think it's a good thing to do that's defense would work over those five days the prosecution laid out why they believe david should stand trial on all of these charges you've heard a lot of it already i'm sure but there were a few new reveals about how far david allegedly allegedly went to groom celeste prosecutors say that celeste came home in february of 2024 and her parents took her phone away when that happened so david allegedly bought her a burner phone and paid a student in celeste's middle school so he's talking to other middle schoolers no no qualms about that i mean other girls have come out since then and been like i talked to david in middle school too when he was an adult. Like, there's other people that have come forward and this is a pattern of behavior. Oh, my God. I'm going to get sued for this episode. We're going to have to cut so many things, but I'm like, was he just not interested in her anymore because she was 14 and that's too old? Like, you f***ing loser. Like, going after literal, like, fifth graders. Children. Why? Anyways, he paid Celeste's middle school classmate $1,000 to give her a phone so that she could continue to communicate with him. You are a desperate loser. You're a desperate f***ing pedophile loser and we're going to have to bleep out all of this or else we're going to get sued. I do think that he will go to jail for this and then this episode will be fine, but, like, it's just so hard because we have to say allegedly on all of this. Like, David allegedly bought her a burner phone. Like, we'll know once he's actually convicted, but right now, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. At this hearing, though, David's defense argued that Celeste's parents knew far more than they let on about how much time she was spending with him and according to the defense, this is according to the defense, but Celeste's parents tolerated a lot of the interactions that their daughter was having with David. So David's attorney said that in 2024, Celeste's parents signed a notarized permission form for her to travel with David to London for a week. The defense also pointed to messages that suggested Celeste and her sister traveled to Las Vegas for one of his concerts and that David and Celeste had made plans to attend church with her family. There was also testimony that Celeste's parents said that Celeste sat with David's family in the VIP section at one of his concerts, which you mentioned earlier. Yeah, pictures have been posted of that. Yeah, there's pictures. And I will say, a lot of people share their own experiences and they go, I was in a relationship like this when I was young and my parents allowed me to do this because they knew that if they cut me off and blah, blah, blah, it would just make it worse. Yeah. I would have ran away. She already was running away. I would not talk to them. I mean, she'd ran away four times, three, at least three. So a lot of people again, we do not know. This is, there's so much context. This is so nuanced. It's horrible. It's tragic. It's sad. But there are people that are just contributing that to the conversation that like, hey, maybe that was their strategy in order to try to keep her safe. But who knows? And I want to hear from the parents in the comments right now because I have a seven-month-old son. He's not doing, he can't even walk. Yeah. So it's easy for me to sit here and say like, I would have done this. I would have done that. But if you have a child who you're trying to have a relationship with, they are running away. I don't know the intentions of her parents at all. I'm just trying to think if it was something like you were saying where they're like, maybe if we just give her a little bit more freedom, she won't feel like she has to escape us to get that freedom and we'll be able to stay in contact with her. Like maybe the bar is pretty low for the type of relationship they want to have with her. You wonder. Yeah. You just, you wonder. And I think that's all going to come out because the defense is going to have a lot more time during the trial to, to explain what was going on to talk about that. I mean, they're going to try everything. Yeah. They're going to, they're really going to, I think, sling a lot of mud with this. And yeah, I think a lot of people after this trial, unless, you know, plea changes, like a lot of people are probably going to be deeply upset by what gets said. But his lawyer said that Celeste could have just killed herself at his house. Yeah. That was posed as a question during that grand jury. And it's just like, you can already, again, see the mud they're going to try to sling potentially. Like it's, this is so up in the air and it's like, this is as it is today. Like this is the conversation that's happening today. Like, you know, I'm not a parent. I am not, I can't even imagine. But like, I know at least there's one person, David, who this is deeply, deeply disgusting behavior. Like again, minor, like Celeste is just such a victim in all of this. And it's just, this whole situation is horrific. Yeah. Again, we have written in this script because we, we have to keep saying it, but David is considered innocent until he's proven guilty. On July 27th, 2026 though, the judge did rule that the case can proceed to trial. And that was expected given all of the evidence that was shown. And David is expected to be arraigned for a second time. There is no guarantee that that holds though because murder proceedings get delayed all the time, often for years. In the meantime, David is being held without bail. His music career is over. Though his catalog is still in place. He's still up on streaming. I'm sure there's ways to listen to it in a way that doesn't financially benefit. I mean, I don't even think he can make any money from his streaming anymore now that he, certainly not after he gets convicted. There's a lot of talk about the uncertainty. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure either. I know some people are like. There's petitions for streaming platforms to remove it. Yeah. Has not happened yet. I'm sure like they're also trying to protect themselves illegally because if for some reason he is proven innocent, and they pulled everything preemptively. Right. Then are they at risk of being sued? Like, of course, the legal system and everything. It's just like that is above my pay grade. Lawyers, if you're out there, please chime in. But yeah, you know, there's there's so much to this. I know. I know. There's a lot of sides to it. And yeah, pretty soon a jury is going to decide his fate as for loose ends and theories. Well, I mean, they're infinite at this point since nothing has really been resolved. A lot of people online are wondering if anyone else is going to face charges for covering up this alleged abuse. I mean, there's the bodyguard who prosecutors say drove David and Celeste around who supposedly picked Celeste up on Valentine's Day 2024 right before she was reported missing. There's also been a lot of false rumors flying around. Again, maybe because this case is so high profile and there is such a huge online component of it. And I think with AI now too, like there's a lot of question about like photos that are being released of Celeste at shows or Celeste here and like them online. It's like, are those even real? Yeah. Be so careful where you're getting your information from because there's a lot of misinformation out there. Yeah. There has been a PI named Steve Fisher who has shows up everywhere. Also, he was all over Hannah Kobayashi when that was happening. He loves to just jump in a high profile case, but I will say sometimes he does offer really good insight that like he kind of finds the thing that the police aren't telling people and he'll just kind of say it. Yeah. Interesting. Unclear if that's what he's doing here. I mean, he has publicly suggested that the person who parked the Tesla last wasn't David, but prosecutors indicate that they do have video showing David was the last person to drive that car. Interesting. I mean, I don't think he's saying anything that indicates that maybe David's not involved. I think he's maybe saying that other people were also involved. Yeah. And it maybe it has a motive, right? Because Fisher also theorized that David lured Celeste to Santa Barbara and actually killed her up there. However, prosecutors say that they have strong evidence that she did die in David's rental house and it could be potentially allegedly, I don't know, motivated because it is worth noting. Fisher was hired by the owner of that mansion. So confirming that the murder happened inside probably isn't the outcome that his client is hoping for. I mean, the house. So with Hannah Kobayashi, Steve Fisher was the first person to come forward and say she's alive. She left on her own when the family, when everyone was saying she was trapped in traffic to Mexico. She was trafficked, like got kidnapped. She's been drugged, like scam. He came forward and he was like, I think it's actually incredibly irresponsible that we're doing this investigation because she is just an adult that left on her own. So I don't know, but that's interesting to hear that he was hired by the mansion. Yeah. And potentially because the house is back on the market, it's now listed for rent at $24,000 a month. So $4,000 more than David was paying. After to live in an active potentially allegedly a crime was committed there. Crime scene. I wonder if they jacked it up because they know people will want to stay there because that's where it happened. That's a sick people are so messed up morbid thing for as horrible as this case is. We do like to end on activism and I think there is a lot of activism that can be done to help people in this kind of situation. So we wanted to share some tips from healthychildren.org. It's a service from the American Academy of Pediatrics and they have tips to prevent and recognize childhood sexual abuse. So the responsibility for child abuse falls on the abuser. Full stop. No caveats. Absolutely 100% of the time. But adults can help by protecting kids before it happens and noticing some of the warning signs if it does happen. So according to healthychildren.org one in four girls and one in 13 boys in the United States will experience unwanted sexual contact before their 18th birthday. They share seven tips for teaching kids about body autonomy to help prevent abuse and if you want to learn more about that I think it's great even if you don't have children I think it's great for everyone to be aware of just so that we all kind of have our like eyes and ears open when we're interacting with people who could be victims. Yeah. This is a big conversation I've had with you know my family my brother and sister-in-law that have had young kids and something they've always stressed and that this website does talk about is using correct terms to describe genitalia and body parts because oftentimes abusers will use different words and that helps hide abuse. So it is a website that has a lot of information and just could help ensure your kids stay safe. Yeah and that is at healthychildren.org And on that note we are moving on to our missing person of the week. © transcript Emily Beynon This week, we want to highlight the case of Lindsay Lee Watts. This is a missing person case that did come from our community. It was sent by one of you guys. Lindsay Watts is reported missing from Edina, Missouri, since May 19th, 2026. She is 35 years old. Lindsay was reported as a missing person to the Knox County Sheriff on May 19th, 2026. Her car, car keys, wallet were found left behind at her residence in Edina, Missouri, and her phone was found by the sheriff in a ditch not very far from her house. She is reported as being 5'2", 125 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. If you have any information, you can contact the Knox County Sheriff's Department at 660-397-2186, extension 1. Her car, car keys, wallet were found left behind at her residence in Edina, Missouri, and her phone was found left behind at her residence in Edina, Missouri. 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