Post-Combine Rookie Mock Draft + FELIX Debuts - Dynasty Fantasy Football

[music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty podcast with Borg Betts and a Baller. [music] Welcome in! [music] It's Wednesday, March 4th here, a Post-Combine Edition. I'm the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Cobb Organoni, and I'm joined by Matthew Betts and Jason Moore. Welcome everybody. Get in hot! It's the time! People are excited! The Combine is in the Rearview mirror, and everyone is so happy! Yes! Yes! There was approximately, I believe, 55 people that tested this past weekend. Jason, if you want to. Oh, really about 55, huh? That was great. Thank you, Betts. Yeah, you're welcome. Um, for those who don't know where. Yeah, we got it probably today. Josh has more work. So you might hear a lot of drops. Yeah, it's a lot of drops. It's really funny. Every show that we record this specific Dynasty show, there's like a whole 'nother layer of work that has to be done if a ballerine's up hitting a drop. Which usually we don't on this show. But Josh was a little less prepared than usual for today, so I said I'm going to punish him and immediately make sure that I'm hitting drops today. So he's sitting in the back and I stared him down when I hit that applause button. Like, you got work to do, brother. So that's the mood we're in today. And we got work to do post-convying. Yeah, we're, we're so post. We're so over the combine. We're past it. And yet we're going to talk about it here on this podcast. We're going to do a rookie mock draft, kind of give a lay of the land after the combine. Really talk about how much we need to overreact, how much we need to underreact to what people did in spandex. And by people, what we really mean is the really fast guys did it. Right. And everybody else just said like, I don't worry. Agents are finally whizing up where it's like, hey, dude. Like, you know, we can run this on our own, see what you're going to get and then be like, nah, dog. This is not going to benefit you. Like, it doesn't benefit players to score, bet. So either you should be good and do it or sit out and say, look at my coach film. Look at him. Look at, you know, I mean, when people, I'm sure people are asking Jonah Coleman, who sat out and did not run the 40. He was very, very excited to see Jonah Coleman's 40. One of the most interesting players, you know, potentially the second running back, depending on what you feel, the second to fifth running back, you know, in this draft class. And he didn't run. And so the questions are going to come and say, like, why didn't you run? Are you afraid of your time? Are you slow? Oh, he must be slow. And the answer can always be the same. Dude, look at my tape. Watch my speed on film. You can see it. I'm fast. And then it's like, you can't really hurt yourself with that number. But of course, these players, I'm sure, will maybe be forced to do it at a pro day. TBD. You know how I feel bad for? The guy. Head end. Max Claire. Kyle and I talked about the tenants. I kind of like Max Claire, you know? And if you go back to his Purdue days, which is different than what he, he was used at Ohio State with Colonel T and Jeremiah Smith, you're like, okay, I can see it. But like when you, when you show up to Indy and you're just in the same room with Citi any last hours and you're watching what they're doing. You know what? I'm going to sit this one out. Wait till the pro day, maybe not run it off. We'll see. But yeah, there's, there's a lot of players that helped themselves this past weekend. That's for sure. If you think about it as a job interview, which is what it was. And they have that part of it of the conversations. It's like, you're amongst a group, which the NFL loves showing this, by the way. The graphics that say, you know, the defensive backs as a whole, they averaged a four, four, four, four. That's number one all time. The wide receivers, four, four, four. And basically every position besides the quarterback had the fastest, 40 time average of all time because it was such a small. Because the slower guys aren't running. Yeah, the dudes aren't, aren't doing that anymore. And yet it confirms what we already thought about a lot of the fast guys. Like Zachariah Branch ran like a four, three, five. Okay, you're fast. We knew that. Brennan Thompson, a Mississippi state. Before the combine, even Dan Briggler was like, I bet he's going to run the fastest 40. So we always say we don't want to double count what the combine does. And then we do have tons of shows where we say, hey, here's what translates. Here's what matters for wide receivers. Does it. Does it factor enough for us to actually change how we think about some of these wide receivers in rookie drafts? That's really what we're going to be doing today. Like, okay, this player did this. Did they drop dramatically? I think Karnel Tate right now is being overblown because he didn't run fast enough. But we didn't think he was going to run like a four, three. Yeah, the combine. There are certain very individual players or individual positions where it does matter. You want to see a certain height come in or a certain weight come in on a very specific player. You want to see a hand size on a very specific quarterback. There are things like that or certain positions if you're an offensive lineman or if you're a tight end, which matters for us for fantasy. Then yeah, you care about the combine measurables, just a smidge more. But I think that five years ago, people often made mistakes in fantasy drafts overblowing the combine results, punishing the Dalvin cooks for running slow and getting too hot and bothered on the, you know, tiny wide receivers that blaze so fast. And then it's like, now I think today we've, we've got enough experience, enough data. Everyone is used to realizing that these combine metrics should not be a huge part of the evaluation process. They're fun. And the combine I feel like as a whole is just, it's so different, right? Like I remember even like, you know, three or four years ago, they would show all the three cones in the 20 yard shuttle and they would, they would show all this stuff. Now it's like, they're just pretty much showing the 40 and that's it on TV from like a spectacle thing for the NFL. So it almost seems like the NFL combine as we kind of knew it five, ten years ago is kind of dead. And I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just kind of as the way it is. And now NFL cares about the 40 and these players care about the 40 and it's so silly to me every year because that test is like a specific skill. It is a track stance. And if you have a track background, you're probably going to be better at that. And they practice like that specific test. But when does a wide receiver ever line up in a full track stance to run 40 yards in a straight line without. And you know what? Let's dig into that. Why not? Why are these wide receivers not just lining up, hand on the ground, one hand up behind them, ready to hunt, hunt, hike and go. That needs to be implemented into the NFL. I mean, obviously it works. That's how they get their best speed. It really is nonsense. I hope someday we're able to change the way that the combine is done. It won't happen because they want apples to apples comparisons. You know, it's one of those things where we're always like, why don't you put players in pads and a ball in their hand and then see how fast they run. Well, the reason is because they're going to run the 40 and, you know, 462. And that's like, oh, I was slow and maybe he's the fastest player alive. You know, you just don't have, you don't have comps. Yeah, I started messaging bets. I was like, well, am I going to really go down a rabbit hole where I figure out how many wide receivers did a 40 yard sprint this year? Because I could like, I could actually like if I wanted to figured out in games and do all that stuff. But I did have this quote that I wanted to throw out there. This is from Luke McCown, who was a former quarterback and it brought up an interesting discussion. It's Josh McCown's brother. He actually said that he said too much speed actually can be a hindrance in your route running. The faster the player is, the more limited his route tree could be. So speed is necessary, but technique and route running savvy is more desirable. And I just thought it was an interesting thought of like, you know, we think about the players that can downshift as wide receivers as like, oh, but you can turn on the speed. And then you can hit the brakes on these coral routes for these hitch routes that that's what makes the different players. And then you think about the best route runners. If we're just going to throw out like, man, who's the best route runner in the NFL? It's like, man, just Jefferson. He didn't run that fast. Devon to Adams. He wasn't very fast. My boy, Keenan Allen, always been one of the route running guys like none of these guys are super fast Cooper Cup for years. Like it's the guys that like didn't blow away the combine, even Puka, right? Puka actually was terrible at the combine if we're measuring him in that regard. And yet they just kind of know how to win. And I know that's kind of like a trait you can't always just put her number on. But when you turn on the film, you can just see these guys get up. Yeah, I mean, it's really just those guys you named spent their entire lives training to be wide receivers, not track stars. And then they're great wide receivers and not as good a track. And so it's like, yeah, go figure. Yeah, not not track guys at all. My last little combine note that I just wanted to throw out there unless you guys have anything else is we don't really talk about quarterbacks with this class apart from Mendoza. We kind of throw in Ty Simpson is like maybe he's at first round or we don't really know, but it's almost like I don't really care. We did have a couple of quarterbacks that crushed the combine in tailing green of Arkansas who we've mentioned a couple times in the game. this podcast, Cole Payton, who is the lefty out of North Dakota state, I'm just bringing that up to say, there will be quarterbacks that could that could be drafted on day two, or projects on day three, like Taylor and Green, then I'm like, I'm interested for fantasy if you're going to run. And the fact that green was the guy we highlighted that blew the doors off, some team is going to get tempted by that guy. And I'm very interested in adding him to a taxi squad because that's probably was going to end up in doubt. Yeah. The last thing is, Kyle is going to get tempted. Of course. Come on. The last things, you know, I guess really when you're just doing a quick recap on the combine, you basically say, don't over blow it. You know, look at the fun outliers, look who's stock is going up and down because that does happen. It affects how the NFL might view these guys and where they might be drafted. Mike Washington, the running back had an unbelievable day, ran four, three, three, it over 220 pounds. That's incredible. You had Jeremiah Love, look just this, you know, clock in just as fast as he looked on tape. You had some downgrades, Emmett, Emmett was not as good. Like I think he was the only person to run the three cone drill. He'll be an interesting discussion in the book. And it probably shouldn't have done that ill-advised, um, Jardians, as I call him, I got Emmett and Jardians here for everyone out there, but the Jardarian rights. I can't not. I know. I know. Every time I see his name. It's Jardians. Um, is it bad? Let me ask you this. Is it? So he ran slower than people were hoping for. They thought he was, you know, I'm, you know, going to just burn the field. He didn't. Is it bad when you come in with a, like I was down on him. I know he's a lot of people's number two running back. And for me, I'm like, I can't possibly put him there and maybe I'm foolish, but I just, I couldn't. Um, and then when he comes in and runs slow, that to be happy with his failure, like, ha, ha, ha. I'm going to be honest. I kind of was. And, you know, and I wish the guy good luck, but, you know, is that wrong of me? Is that, is that like a bad thing in my heart? Um, man, if we all do it, you know, it's just like, oh, yeah, I mean, I, I mean, I'm not here to dunk, but the fact that Matthew Gold didn't have a touchdown this past. Right. Inside. I go. I go, I, you know, but I think, I think Shedarian Price is one of the guys that does the opposite. I think he's faster in pads. Like, I mean, I don't think when I watched him, I was never knocking his speed. I wasn't like, oh, the guy's not fast. It's the production profile and how it comes about as the backup when the defensive scheme is being taken a break from Jeremiah Love and those things. But, um, yeah, the other, um, big takeaways you had, opinions to deke and stores at Titan just dominate, which is great news for, you know, a position where the athletic profile does matter a lot more than at the other skill positions. Um, who else? Are we forgetting any other big movers or shakers at the draft? Or at the combine? I don't think so. I mean, those two tight ends made themselves some money this weekend, for sure. Otherwise, I think a lot of a kind of what we'd expected. We didn't get to see McKay Lemon or, um, Jordan Tyson run. I think people are kind of helping for that. But otherwise, not too many other takeaways from me. 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Let's hit quick break. And then we'll do the thing. Makalaka ding dong. Oh, baby. Yeah. That thing. Here we go. I don't have the number prepared in front of me, but if I was a really, really good employee and good friend, I could figure out how many mock drafts Jason has done on the podcast. I'm guessing you're somewhere in the like four to 500 podcasts of mock drafts. Probably in the 450 range, you're nailing it. I know. I could figure it out real quick. All right. Here we go. The fantasy footballers mock draft. We will be doing a two round one quarterback box on our dynasty pass. We have a three rounder. And then just to give a caveat, we'll give some caveats about super flex rankings. I just need to be very, very clear because there's somebody at the time. That's the top that heard me say one quarterback and they are just ready to turn on. Oh, yeah. What? That's not how dynasty leagues are. That's a lot. Oh, yeah. That's how lots of them are. Yeah. Of all yours. This is a perfect example, right? To say, okay, we can give a caveat of where we take Mendoza and we've mentioned that on the quarterback episode. Like, I feel comfortable anywhere from two to like five or six, like, and I'd probably a little lower. Some people are like, I got to take him at two after love. It's different how you play. It's different based on your supply, your need. And if you want to play that way, that's fine. We just normally subscribe to, you don't have to take the quarterback because of super flex league. And then at this point in the process, guys, I don't actually know what Ty Simpson is. So to say I'm going to take him in a super flex league in March, I don't, I just don't know. I don't know if he belongs in the second round of super flex. Maybe he, maybe you're like, yes, of course, he does. I don't know where he's going to be drafted because if he is drafted on day two, is this going to, is he going to matter very much in day two in the NFL draft? Probably not. I mean, you, you've got, because he's mobile and it really depends on what team he goes to and what his position is to, to take over Tyler Schuck last year, you know, went to a team that was in desperate need of a quarterback. If he goes and is a backup for someone, it's like, ah, yeah, he's got this great on him. He goes and it doesn't look like he's got necessarily a path to start. Then, I mean, that, that's, that'll wildly change his, his rookie draft where, where you're going to want to take him. Okay. The way that we're going to do this is it's going to go me, bets, and then Jason and we're just going to keep going in that order. I also have some listener questions we'll mix in. So for instance, with the first pick, everybody's going to have Jeremiah love. I would take Jeremiah love there. I thought it was interesting. I had a question from a couple of listeners. They asked, what would it take for you to move off of the 101? So I had a question where they said, hey, um, I have running backs already and I really want to rebuild my team with some, like, young wide receivers. So somebody asked, would you trade Teterot McMillan for Jeremiah love or Teterot McMillan and a draft pick for Jeremiah love? What would it take for you to move off of the 101? I mean, I think, I think that type of offers fair, I personally, like if you hold the 101 right now, you have to be the one in charge of the trade. Like don't take 85 cents for this pick because it will gain value over the next month and a half. There's so much talk leaving Indy, like, hey, I don't even, you know, the most common mock right now is Jeremiah love to the chiefs. There's a lot of talk of like, I don't even think he makes it to the chief. So if you're talking about a guy that's going to go on the top, I don't know, five or six picks, potentially, maybe seven overall, that is going to be insanely, insanely valuable. We just saw what Gen T before the season had value wise. Jeremiah love should be able to get you a hall, like a true stud. I was in this position last year on a team. I was able to, I forget the exact trade, like the pieces around these players, but it was basically the 101 and a player I can brew it was for CDLAM and like a secondary pick or something like that. You need to swing way higher than Teterot McMillan, who I like Teterot McMillan, but like the fact that Jeremiah love is built as the guy in this class and a lot of people say can't miss, you have to use that to your advantage. So I'll be swinging for more personally. Yeah, I think if I think Tete is a good place to start because he's very, very young. He looks good. He proved himself, but he has not broken out as a fantasy superstar. It's still a projection. That's where you might be able to get like a Tete and a one from someone and I would do that. For sure, I do think that Jeremiah loves value is appropriately high. I mean, I look at, you know, most of the destinations he might go in this draft. Obviously, if he goes to the Giants, that would suck the draft capital. It would be great. That's one of the rumors. But it falls to that seven to 10 range and ends up with the commanders where they desperately need a running back and you got Jaden Dales at a good offense or or at nine to the chiefs, which that would, I mean, I can't imagine a better landing spot than that. I mean, if those happen, you're talking about a guy who really should be, you know, I, we talked about on the main show that came out yesterday, which was essentially, you know, we love Ash and Gentie. He's young. He's a stud for dynasty. He's great. I think I would take, like even in a redraft, if Washington or the Chiefs is the spot for Jeremiah Love, Jeremiah Love will be going really high in drafts. He'll be a borderline first round pick right off the bat. Yeah. I mean, there's Titans at four. You mentioned the Giants, Commanders, Saints, Chiefs, like all of those in the top 10 feel like they're very much in play to the point of all the early mocks were Chiefs. And now we're like, I don't think he lasts there anymore. Where does he settle real quick? And then we'll go through this much. Where does he settle in terms of dynasty startup rankings that running back? So if you want to have Gibbs and B. John at the top, is he three? Is he four? Where does he? He is right there in that mix. I mean, the three and four for me right now are on my in Hampton and Ashen Gentile. And depending on where he lands, he's going to be ahead of them or right behind them. So he's three, four or five to me. It's pretty wild that we can not only feel confident about the one on one, feel confident about whatever system he's in. Now Tennessee, I still have my reservations about what is what is that offense? But but the commanders would be great. I would be totally fine with that. I think Tennessee is the one that scares me the most. Yes. Yeah. Tennessee's wild. All right, Bets, you're up at the 102. All right. I mean, that's obviously one of the big three wide receivers. This is what you're going to see in every draft that you have this offseason. I'm going to not be swayed by anything that happened this past weekend. I'm going to stick with Jordan Tyson, who I prefer and analytically over Carnot Tate. And I do love McKaylenman. But I think Jordan Tyson has that kind of potential superstar capability, where just analytical profiles off the charts. I think there's a chance Carnot Tate and or, I mean, both guys could go, McKaylenman in the real NFL draft ahead of Jordan Tyson, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Tyson won't be good for fantasy. So I'm going to take Jordan Tyson. Oh, yeah. The people, the people don't like that. So you wanted, that is who I wanted. I'm still Jordan Tyson as the number one. Obviously, this is pre NFL draft. So we will adjust our internal rankings on all these guys. And that could certainly shift. I could see Tyson falling in the first round due to injury history or something like that. But as far as a prospect goes, when I see these guys, he is the one I want. He's the, you know, if I was an NFL team, he's who I would be drafting first. So I mean, that makes it pretty easy for me. I'm going to take Tate here at three and let, let Borg decide on the snake. His, the interview king himself. We definitely need to talk about that, especially I know Betts wants to distill all the rumors as somebody who loves these types of moments in the offseason where people just need to go outside for a little while and stop over analyzing. Last thing I'll say about Tate is I do think he's going to be drafted first of the group. And I agree. Still would take Tyson ahead. So I think we're all in lockstep about Tyson. Tate there. I will take MacKyle Eminet 104. But if you didn't notice, there is a lot of stuff on the internet. By the way, there's a lot of stuff on the internet in general, everything in the world and everybody has a take. But apparently he quote bombed his interview. And we always give people a reminder at this point of the year that NFL teams have very little to gain in being truthful at this point in the office like, like, what would it take for someone to say, hey, we have this guy fifth on our board. They like teams aren't going to share that information. If they're smart, there's a couple of GM's that I think are dumb that could be doing this stuff. But if any team is saying that I would use it as a smoke screen if it was me, if they were actually putting out this information, the issue is this is what was reported. And obviously this could be smoke. This could be lies. I mean, a lot of times you're reporting what you believe is the truth and they are actual lies that are given to you to leak. So I know what you're saying. But what was reported was that essentially when asking around, he bombed his interview so bad that there were like four teams that took him off their board. And it coincides with his own little press conferences where he's like, it was not great. It's so weird, man, he's like asking these questions. If you haven't seen it, I mean, just Google the name, you don't even have to put anything else. That's what's going to come up. All these interviews where he just is slithering around his heads, moving like a minute. So it's like the eyebrows. Oh, yeah. There you go. What are you doing? People don't talk like this, you know, but I will say this, wide receiver, wide receiver would be crazy. Okay. I don't mind. I don't mind my wide receivers, a little diva, a little crazy. I mean, I would prefer Larry Fitzgerald, you know, Justin Jefferson, someone that's just going to be just the model dude and go about everything the right way. But I'll take a teo, you know what I mean, like put that on my team. Give me some crazy, Antonio Brown, pretty good, playing wide receiver. So I don't know. We'll see where he ends up. But that has been making the rounds on the Twitter sphere, the awkwardness of the McCoy women interviews. Yeah, it wasn't pretty, for being honest, I will say the other thing that I've kind of seen and heard is he, people asked him about, you know, his competitive nature and stuff like that. And he basically kind of came out and said, yeah, I'm the best, I'm the best receiver in this class, which these guys all should and want to believe in all that stuff. And then he didn't really compete in any of the drills, just did kind of the on field stuff. So then teams, I think we're a little sourdum, like, well, if that's the case, why aren't you competing? All that to say is I feel like in about three or four weeks, nobody's going to be talking about any of this. So I personally don't care at all. That's my personal take. But it is at least worth having some fun with it because it was silly. I'm going to take the only fear is that it comes one year off the heels of all the rumors of how bad Shadoor Sanders was in his interviews. We had this report last year for Shadoor that he bombed his interviews that people were not liking his attitude and all this, and then he did fall in the draft like that. And it turned out that that very much was, you know, a piece of the puzzle. So I don't know. Anyways, go. Yeah, you brought up, you brought up McMillan, Teppin Millan last year, because people are like, oh, this guy doesn't like watching football film. And everyone's like, oh, this is, this is no good. He doesn't have any competitive fire, goes eighth overall and nobody's asking any questions about it. I think production wise, you don't have any questions, Betts, other than maybe he broke out later. But he seems pretty much locked into this top five lemon. I think so. Yeah. And there's people that prefer to take to Tyson versus lemon and, you know, it's kind of your pick your choice. But the way that it is right now, I mean, I think it's going to be a common ranking, but there are differences. At the fifth spot is where I think it's really interesting in this, in the smock. I think you can make a case for Sadeek after what he did at the combine. I'm going to go with, I don't know if I want to say my guy or Kyle's guy or our guy. Concepts y'all who is just fun to say because you get to do the fingers and you get to do the voice. We both really like him. There's a lot of buzz on him as a first round receiver early breakout age. So there's some stuff in his profile that definitely is there to like and just an easy guy to root for. So I will take him here at the one of five. I was so glad that when we did the receiver show a couple of weeks ago, we did a deep dive on him. He's been a player that Betts and I have talked about a bunch, but we even brought up the fact of his story, how he's walked through a lot of stuff with stuttering and how he's overcome that. And that was a huge story at the combine. So it was like one of those things that our listeners, I know I love doing deep dives on people, but like as the person and we got to remember that these are real people that are competing in football and it's, it's just cool. So hopefully he's in the first round, I'm, there's a small part of me that thinks I'm going to Troy Franklin this thing and he ends up being like mid to late round two. Obviously, Franklin was round four, but so we're at Jason. Oh, really? Oh, I thought I was one more pickaway, that's great. This is where I'm going to, I'm going to stick to my pre draft guns, players that I like that I believe in. We don't have the draft capital yet to know for sure if there's a first round and wide receiver. If this guy fell in the draft, I'm going to draft based on the talent I see. And I think Jonah Coleman is the second running back in this draft. I believe I really like this tape. His ability to catch the ball is as good as anyone you can rifle him the ball a foot away from your feet and he will just catch it like he's got sticky on his hands. No hitch in the giddy up and I know he didn't run the 40. He looked fast to me very fast like the speed, the burst, the from stopped to go. I don't know if he's got the top and breakaway speed. Maybe that would have hurt his 40 time, but I like Jonah Coleman. I'm hopeful in NFL draft, kind of like you, Kyle, that with conception on that he, that the NFL believes what we believe in the pre draft process and then he has draft capital. I expect him to be a day to pick. I'm hoping that he is the second running back taken off the board and hopefully in the second round. That might be a little high. Yeah, I think he could end up in that, you know, we're Jonathan Brooks and we're Tray Benson, we're the second, third round in a week class. And you can look at him not running at the combine a couple of ways. You'd be like, oh, they're hiding something. Or maybe they're like, hey, we already know how good you are. And we're not trying to hide anything, but we also don't gain anything from this part of the process. So production wise and just the way that he worked in that offense as a do-it-all guy, like, I do like him a lot. What do you feel like is the range, Jason, not knowing the draft capital yet? So you take him at 106, but like, how far could he fall in your mind? Like, is there a fear that he could go? Oh, absolutely. I think he could drop outside the first round. Yeah, of rookie drafts. Yeah, I mean, of rookie drafts. The running max in this year's class are weak and there's not a lot of unity into who likes who wear. So if he drops out of day two, you know, if he ends up being like Cam Skataboo and dropping to the beginning of the fourth round, yeah, that will tumble him in your rookie drafts appropriately. So as he should. So really, there, I don't know that there's another player out there like when I'm thinking of the range of outcomes of the NFL draft that is quite as wide. I mean, there's always the shock, right? Maybe someone gets hot and bothered with Mike Washington and they draft him way higher than we think he's going to go in the NFL draft. But outside of like the shock, I won't be surprised if Jonah Coleman is a two, a three or a four in the NFL draft. And that is a, that's a really wide range for a player. Yeah, it's, and it's tough. I mentioned Troy Franklin earlier of like, I like this player. I like his production profile. I think he can work in the modern day NFL. And it's like it to get stretched out where even in rookie drafts, whatever take you have, you're like, this is a fourth round player. I can't just ignore that. So Jonah Coleman at 106 here. I'm at 107. And I think Sadik is the easy pick for me. Part of me wants to like dig in a little deeper and try to figure out, but I feel like Sadik is the pick that I feel comfortable at this spot in the draft. I don't feel comfortable comparing him to all the other rookie Titans we've talked about in the last couple of years. Bets and I on the Titan prospect preview. We mentioned how Sadik was gonna test really well and yet his production profile among first round Titans feels kind of low. Like he had some touchdowns this final year or he had some incredible highlight reel touchdowns. And yet he didn't command targets in the offense in a way that we would say man, we knew Fanon would, would see targets, hopefully, or we knew level in a Warren. So I feel like Sadik is a high floor pick. And yet I'm not really expecting a ton in year one the way that we saw with these other Titans. Do you guys feel similar of like this is a high floor pick, but I'm not gonna strike out. I don't even think it's a high floor pick. I mean, I stand a little bit more alone in that. I will say that you're going to have draft capital so he should be taken to the top 15 picks. That is great for success. The athletic profile is great. But because of his college production, there's some, you know, there's orange flags to me to take a guy that high. Where's orange is between the yellow and the red. You know what I mean? Whoa. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like that was just like third grade kindergarten when do you learn your college? I didn't know where it was in your world, Jason, which I respect your world, but it could be between yellow and green. You know, it's kind of orangey there. No, I, his, his production scares me. It's like if he's this good, and obviously he is that athletic, but if he's that good, why wasn't he just that, the dude for them, even at his own position? And so you worry about that. A lot of times those things translate. And it could be for other good reasons. As you know, as a run blocker and the utilization and, you know, but I don't know that he is, he's not coming in the way that a Brock Bowers came in. He's not coming in with some of these prospects that have an unbelievable production profile. Dominant collegiate history and then are drafted high. He is coming off the back of a lot of early rookie tight-end success. The fact that you had Laporta and then you had Bowers. And then last year the trifecta fan and was great. Loveland was great. Warren was great. I think that's going to push. It make it easier for teams to say, hey, this is a can't miss prospect. Let me take him earlier. Let me, let me do what these, what's been successful lately. And then if I'm going to pull the trigger at pick 10 on sedique and athletic freak, I'm going to win the day. My draft grade will look good. And so I hope it works out. He certainly belongs in the first round of rookie drafts anytime. You're a top 15 pick. But I do have, I do have worries. I don't think he's a super high floor. I think there's a chance that he's not great for fantasy. One of the landing spots I saw was Tampa Bay, which Kate Aughton's a free agent. You remember years ago they took a tie in the first round, OJ Howard. Also had an insane athletic profile, but didn't have the production. That would just be an interesting spot. And she's like, man, there's a lot of, a lot of different targets there, a lot of different avenues. Do they bring back Mike Evans? But if, if he's taken there on a top 15 pick and I had this question from Ben, he asked this on Twitter. Does it change anything about to deke like in a tight and premium league? One of those leagues that rewards tight ends. Would you go any higher bets from here? I personally in that format would probably take him over Jonah Coleman who went before him in this mock. I would still take the big three wide receivers, obviously during my love. And I would, I think I personally would take KC over him, but that's kind of where I'd pencil him in that range. Okay. So kind of still right around this spot. And I think this is where he's going to go in a lot of drafts. Yep. All right. It is back to me. This is, this is tough. I think there's two wide receivers who could still go in the first round of the real life NFL draft. That being Denzel Boston and Omar Cooper Jr. I'm going to take Omar Cooper Jr. here. He kind of is like, it feels like a book at a me where it's like last year we talked about. He does a lot of stuff really well. Maybe he's not like insanely athletic and he's not the most dominant receiver you've ever seen. But I feel really good about his ability to translate from college to the NFL. here and let Jason make the next pick. Who I think is going to be who I didn't pick. It sure will. And in fact, had you had our picks been different. They would have been different because I would have taken Denzel Boston ahead. I like both prospects. The production is better on Omar, but Denzel Boston TBD on the draft spot. He could end up being a first round rookie wide receiver. He's got that big frame, the touchdown upside. And also to me, so I've been doing you guys know this, but the audience doesn't know this. I've been doing mad work on prospecting models. Getting so much data that my eyes are bleeding, machine learning stuff building a really robust model that I'm very happy with right now, backtested historically, and it's looking pretty, pretty good. But in that Denzel Boston, my Felix model, that's what it's called. Oh, I can't wait to drop it in early. But yes, my forecasting league impact and expectation score, Felix, my Felix model has him at a 91, 91% tile grade and looking back over the years, if you're in the top, if you're in the top 90, you know, 90th percentile or above, you have success at like a 77% clip. And when I say success, I built all this for fantasy football only. This isn't just like, oh, he's got a second contract in the NFL. This is, are you relevant? Are you impactful in fantasy production? He takes a lot of the boxes that predict future success. So Denzel Boston is kind of a tear brick. I do agree with you. Those two guys, Omar and Denzel are the next two where it's like, okay, then, then a breath for me. And I'm glad that I got to not be after the breath, but before it. Two things here. One, Jason, expect a thousand questions from listeners and people around the world asking about your life. Over the next one. Kyle, I've been meaning to talk to you about this because I mean, this will be, oh, this is a great spot. Yeah. This is a great spot right in the middle of show. I think I'm going to put together an article because I'm sure we're going to public face this at some point. Hey, Kyle. Help me put together. Yeah. Well, you're the editor. You're the editor in chief. So, yeah, I think I'm going to put an article out at some point detailing the Felix model. I'm going to wait until after the NFL draft because right now it's using projected draft capital. And so all of this, yeah, I don't want to like put out. Denzel very well might not be a 91st percentile athlete, you know, score after the NFL draft. So, but I will put out an article detailing as much as I can on this. It's without boring people to tears. Denzel, my man, Denzel. And then the second thing I need to bring up is that my favorite thing about this iteration of Jason and we've talked about about this is that I don't really know where Jason begins and I don't know where Felix ends. That's where. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Jason, I have a question about this. Is the black book still alive or are we done with the black book? - No, the black book is still alive. The black book is still alive. This is in addition to, I will say that, and I said this to you guys before the show as well, at this point in the year, I have usually gotten through more film than I have this year because at this point in the year, I have not done the hundreds of hours of work on the analytical side and the prospect modeling side and all that. So the black book continues to grow and needs to grow. Felix has usurped the black book for now. - That's fair. - There is somebody out there that loves statistical modeling and they're just, Jason's talking to you right now. - You have no idea, you have no idea the amount of data in this. - All right, we're gonna finish this first round before I break and I think I'm gonna give a hot take here. - All right. - Because, because there's a spot here for Mendoza, I think he belongs near the end of the first round. I'm considering a larger serrat of Indiana, but I think, I think, maybe this, I'm threading a needle here. I think Emmett Johnson is good. I think Emmett Johnson will be a day to pick. And I think in the same way that he did not test well in the NFL, my hair is draft capital, but I think it actually doesn't change my opinion about him as a player. Much so how I thought about Bucky Irving, a like Bucky's film, tested terribly, went to the fourth round. I'm like, ah, I guess I can't like this player. Yeah, maybe, you're putting him down as Emmett, Kyle thinks he's good, Johnson. Love the production profile. Obviously you can catch the ball. So this could change very much so, but I like him. - I think this is the time to take him. It's very similar to Jonah Coleman where it's like, we're kind of doing our pre NFL draft flag plants a little bit, you know, softly putting the flag in there just to kind of, it's more like the little flag that goes in a cupcake, you know, like, this isn't a flag you're putting in the moon. This is just like, yeah, this one's red. Because you think they put a flag in the moon? - Because Emmett Johnson certainly could tumble, especially after the poor combine. And then that, and then he'll tumble in this drafts. But for now, I know Andy liked them. You liked them. I really, really, really enjoyed the tape. I liked the tape. I had questions as to whether his gimmicky move, which is kind of how I feel about it. I adored watching. It's so fun to watch. And it works every day in time. Every ounce of his running is just helter, sculptor, herky, jerky, jump this way in that way. And it worked every time, but on all my notes, it was like, well, this work against NFL defenders. And then when you go on, you do the combine, you're like, I just don't know if you, I don't know if you've got the athleticism to do that at the next level. If you do, it's gonna be cool. But yeah, I'm glad you took them here. - I mean, Emmett does have that insane receiving production as well, which goes a long way in arguing. This is the spot where I'm gonna take Fernando Mendoza at the 11th overall pick. Kind of feels like anywhere from 10 to 12 issues where you'll see him go in one keybie leagues. Not the most prolific fantasy score, I think, at least in year one, with kind of given the state of the team and not the elite Russian quarterback. So at this point, it's more just I see holes in everybody, every other prospect at this point. So therefore, I'm gonna slot in the quarterback who's gonna go first overall to the Raiders. - Okay. Jason, finish out the first round. - Yeah, I'm gonna take Elijah Sarat, the player you just mentioned earlier, six, two, two, 10, a bigger body back with an 84th percentile Felix score projected draft capital, TBD. Had enough production, especially early in Indiana, as a, you know, in 2024, at almost 1,000 yards. There's plenty of things I like on him. I expect him to be a day to pick, which is good. And so I think this is, you know, he'll sneak into a lot of first rounds here. The end of the first round and the beginning of the second is really where you're gonna have some wild swings, I think, in your actual drafts when they're taking place. - For sure. And these Indiana White receivers, Omar Cooper Jr. Elijah Sarat, we will detail them next week. We have an episode with Mike coming up. We're going through the rest of the White receiver prospect. So if we didn't get to some of those names earlier, I mean, we'll have a full episode on these guys. Let's take a quick break and we'll get on around to. (upbeat music) All right, we are at the top of the second round. If you're following on YouTube, you can see the board in front of you. And there's two running backs that, I don't know the draft capital, but they both have a chance to be the RB2 in this class. Like, apart from the fact that I like Jonah Coleman and Emmet Johnson Moore for the game, we play the NFL might like Mike Washington Jr. or a Giderian price more. So that's a tough conversation and a tough tension to be like, oh man, if this guy's gonna be drafted, 50th overall, wherever he is in the second round, I have to deal with that. 'Cause an NFL team clearly thinks this guy can be a starter. So, Mike Washington, I was going through his profile and we have it in our scouting reports. It's like really hard to figure out what he is. He's big. He did catch the ball a little bit. His hands weren't great. He fumbled the ball a ton by the way. - 12 fumbles. - Like, yes. - You have to worry about that. Just watch the 40. - But he's big and strong. You think the big strong guys could hold onto the ball a little better? - It's tough because at the beginning of this process, he was outside the top 100 on most consensus big boards for just NFL draft. And I got this message from Denny. He's the guy who runs the NFL mock draft database account. He runs the website. A site we talk about all the time. But he was asking about Mike Washington. He's like, if he keeps climbing, how high could he go in these rookie drafts? And I was like, man, if he's the second running back taken on a team where we see opportunity, would it shock you if Mike Washington and rookie drafts was like the 107? - If he goes that high, if he's the second running back taken in the NFL draft, he'll be in the first round of most people's drafts. You've got the size speed that works, a production profile at least for one year that works. If the NFL draft capital comes, then he probably will be. I'm skeptical that the NFL will pull the trigger that high on him personally. Is that who you're taking? - That's what you're, yeah, I'm gonna take him all right. - Yeah, this is the guy I'm most worried about. - Big Mike Air Strike. He's everybody's favorite running back sleeper in this class, which means he's no longer a sleeper and he will get steam to high heaven because of his athletic profile, which I do understand. But I'm as proud as Kyle hasn't pointed this out 14 times this off season yet. He's already 24 years old. He went to Buffalo for three years. - I'm out. - I'm out. - Then to Arkansas. And so it's just like, he's cultured. - I guess, I guess. I think he's a fine player. I don't think he's anything special. And I do think because of his combine performance, he will get overdrafted, even in rookie drafts, relatively speaking. So I'm a little worried about Mike Washington. But if this is the price for him, you know, early second, I mean, if he's up there with those first round water severs, I'm probably out. - Yeah, I was trying to figure out a comp 'cause it's like blazing speed. You're really big. Yet your hands aren't great. And my only comp was he's a souped up version of Jordan Howard, who was drafted in the fifth round. But interesting player Betz 202. - It's Jardin's time. This is the spot where I will take during a price. I'll be honest, I don't have a strong take on him. But like, to me, from projecting him forward, it's really all about like, film evaluation. Like there's nothing in his receiving profile that gets you excited. Obviously, he didn't really dominate the backfield because Jeremiah Love is him. He's probably gonna be a day to pick. And that's kind of all I have for you as an early down grinder. It's fine in this price point for me in rookie drafts but I don't really feel excited about it. - He has to be an outlier or else this is just a wild pick. But I mean, it's just crazy that the entire process, at least like leading up to this, was like, well, obviously he's the RB2. And we're all looking around like, man, this doesn't look like the RB2 in the fantasy game that we play. So there's still a lot to learn here with Jardin's, as the kids say. So Jason, 203. - Yeah, 203, I'm gonna take Chris Bell, wide receiver Louisville, six, two, two, 10. Field score 81. That's all I do here now. - That's like, okay, that's all I do. - Obviously, that's the ACL tear. Do you worry what's the, you know, you're as the injury man. He's tough and dynasty because so much of dynasty evaluation is like, what is this guy gonna do in his first year and then how is he viewed moving forward? And I feel like it's gonna be hard for him to get on the field as a rookie because his injury was, I believe in late November. And so it's like at this point, then you're looking about what he does this off season. He'll miss obviously all the combine, not gonna run it as pro day, not gonna do anything at rookie mini camp or OTAs. And then in training camp, probably very limited. And it's just kind of hard to like get on a moving train at that point as a rookie for an NFL team. So then we're like entering your two. It's like, what is he, that's kind of my concern on him. I kind of like some aspects of him. So I don't mind taking it. shot. It's just I don't know what he's going to do if much at all in his I'm really curious where he goes in the draft. This was a guy who has projected a lot a lot of times to be a first round NFL draft pick. And then what does that do to teams to do teams do the same thing that you're talking about where you're like, well, if we can't rely on him in his rookie year, I don't want to pull the trigger with high draft capital, pay this player who's not going to make an impact early on. Or are we going to get a player that wouldn't be here at this pick if he was healthy and just take the best player available. If he ends up on the ladder, then I do think that that means that an NFL team has planned for him and will you know, bring him along well enough to be a second round pick in fantasy dress. We'll do our film evaluation of him next week. But my first note is that this is a sturdy boy, he is sturdy. And he it's weird because a lot of wide receivers, we think of them as like an outside wide receiver that's smooth. And then you look at some other guys, you're like, okay, Xavier, look at you are a thick dude that when some people just don't want to tackle you. So Chris Bell is an interesting evaluation with a lot of variables where he goes. I think he's right now sitting around 50th overall in consensus board. So hopefully he's there in round two. I'm going to take Eli Stowers at 204, the Vanderbilt, and I'm going to use quotes tied in tied in in name only because he's really a slot wide receiver who if you used his metrics as a receiver, still would great out very well, combine metrics. But I think a team on day two will say I envision using him as my slot hybrid tied in my offense. That's fair. I was going to take him if you didn't. So let me just kind of circle back here. I'm going to be a homer and take one of the Penn State guys. I, I think most people will take Ktron Allen above Nick Singleton. I think you'll get a really nice discount on Singleton and rookie drafts because of the foot injury, which we're not going to get testing for. We'll see what he does the pro day. I don't think it'll be 100% but obviously didn't run this past weekend. And so I think you'll get a little discount. I, I just kind of go back to the past catching between these two and like in the game, we play that works better usually. So I will, I'll take Nick Singleton here at the fifth pick of the second round. I think Jason likes here. I do. He, he, he's, he liked Singleton the most out of all of us. And I think I've come around to the fact of like, I didn't like the injury. And now I'm like, I think he's just going to work. Now I love the NFL and Ktron. That's what it sounds like. I didn't like the injury, but you know, but it's a foot, it's a foot injury. So I kind of like it now. It's a contrarian take. It's kind of good for him. Yeah. I don't mind Singleton here. Um, do you think he ends up being on day two? I think he's fringe. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls to the fourth. I think he would have, if, if not for the foot injury, he would have felt what is the, what is the past weekend? Yeah, what is the, what is the, what is the speed and recovery of that foot? Um, it's, it's usually like three to four months. So he'll be, he'll be able to play. Okay. I mean, yeah, I, I liked him a lot. He was my, um, you know, pre NFL draft, my running back three behind Jonah Coleman. I certainly, and it's funny too, because I think most people don't even like him as much as his teammate from the same team that I've heard, but it, it, you, I mean, you spoke exactly what I feel. The receiving profile there, the size, the utilization, when you've got a big beef boy with breakaway speed, who catches the ball, it's everything you want for fantasy football. I don't know why he's not getting more love and how much of that is the fact that, you know, was it at the senior ball where he broke his foot? It was. Yeah. Impressive. That's, uh, that's not fun. But, um, yeah, I, I like big beef boys with breakaway speed. So am I up right now? You are. I'm between a couple of guys here. I got gurmy, gurmy, gurmy, bernard, I can't read his name. That's, uh, you can't do that. You can't, I'm, I'm mama, mama, Bernard. You're not allowed to, you're not allowed to do this. Okay. You can't name your son, Jeremy, spelled G-E-R-M-I-E. You can't do it. Okay. So you, you named your son, G-E-R-M-I-E, you meant to name him, Jeremy, but you named him, G-E-R-M-I-E. So, I mean, look, I don't make the rules for English. I just follow them half the time. Do you? Half the time. Okay. This is the half I'm choosing to follow. Wait, but are you taking him? Uh, I don't know. Look, after all that, no, I'm not going to take a guy named G-E-R-M-I-E. So, we have that actually in the dicey pass a red flag for him. Right. Yeah, it's his name. Yeah. No, I'll take Malachi fields. Uh, you know, his name is, uh, pronounced how it's spelled, which is a huge plus. Um, I think those two guys are kind of in that, that same next, um, tier here, uh, fields being, I, I guess, you know, I've got a type, it seems. I'm, I'm liking, uh, sturdy, large men in this year's draft class, six, four and a half, two, eighteen, big boy, didn't run very fast, but, um, you know, had enough production, uh, to be okay, uh, transferred around a lot. I like some of the skillset and, um, the projected draft capital up here's like it should be pretty good. I think, uh, probably the same projected draft capital for both Malachi and Gurmy. Uh, Malachi fields will be an interesting name because he was getting first round buzz a week ago. He will not show up in the first round of any mocks after people copied over, you know, what they saw in other people's mocks. He won't show up there because he was walking. He's a weird player, interesting player, um, the comp was either like, is he Darius Slayton or is he Don Trell and Min really, really tall and runs deep when he needs to, um, interesting player for Notre Dame. This is a fun spot. So I'm just going to swing away and just go with the trig daddy. Michael trig tied in out of Baylor. I don't know if the NFL hates him, but maybe they love him and there's some team that could unlock this player when we did a tight and episode really fun film. One of Mike's favorite players to root for out of Baylor off the field stuff out the wazoo. So I don't really care as long as it ends up being NFL draft capital. So this is where I would swing away with him at 207 right from the trig daddy to a guy that's going to fall in line and follow the plan and maybe be Dalton Schultz and the league. I'll take Max Claire. Um, I'm just kidding on Dalton Schultz comp. But if you go back to his produce stuff, I really do think there's something there as a kind of sleeper in this class. So we'll see what the NFL thinks of him, but in the mid to late second, I will go Max Claire. All right, Gurmy. All right. I give you a little tiny punishment. Um, he's more of a 209 right. He's more of a 209 guy. So I, uh, I will take Jeremy Bernard, uh, Crimson tied wide receiver, uh, really in that, in that same tier of, of the last pickets, when I look at these guys, not, not that they're similar, you know, play styles still the size that I like, you know, over six foot 200 pound. I, I prefer my wide receivers to be 200 pounds. I just do. I like 200 pound wide receivers. Call me sizeist. Um, but he's got that he had, um, enough on his production profile. We'll see where he's drafted. Gurmy is mine. He's an interesting player because he started off at Michigan State on the same team as Keon Coleman and Jaden Reed in college. He goes to Washington with Michael Pinnix and part of that team. And then he goes to Bama. And it feels like it last year at Bama. I was like, is he this team's wide receiver one? Because it didn't ever feel like the team had a one this past year. So we're going to do him again next week, but Gurmy, uh, you want to do a deep dive about his parents? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I want to know what happened in the hospital room when they wrote out the birth certificate. Okay. That's, that's cool with me. Um, I'm going to take another wild card because I mean, it's the second round. And once you get a third round, I mean, please, we're just, we're shooting for the moon. I want a player that at the end of the day, he could be a unicorn and alien in the NFL. And it's Adam Randall running back for Clemson. He tested quite well. I'm going to get the numbers out in front of me. I, for some reason, cannot find Jeremy Bernard in the, in the queue. I will find him in just a minute. But I'm Randall Gurmy. After searching for the wrong name, man. Yeah. Apparently I am. Um, the weird part about Randall is you have four college carries for the first three years of his career because he was a wide receiver. And the dude's just massive, right? Six, two, almost six, three, six hundred, six hundred, six, two hundred and thirty. He's a beef boy. That boy's thick. Call him the cattle. Got 600 pounds. Tackle that. Oh, man. Um, Adam Randall, I don't know what he is. I don't know what NFL teams think about him. And you can throw the Antonio Gibson Tyrone Tracy comp So like former wider severs Tony Pollard was the same way to start off at Memphis as a wider seaver drafted as running back. But he's huge and he has an opportunity to basically be something I don't I've never seen in the NFL. So I will take my chance on him. He had a great final year at Clemson and he is not 600 pounds. Yeah, he's interesting. It's it's like Mike has a type, you know, and Mike kind of put me on to him is the converted running back an wider seaver here. So I like him as a sleeper in this class. I will take K-Tron Island at the 211. I don't know that he's like special by any means, but I think there's a chance he could be a day to pick. And at this point in the draft, that's good enough for me. Speaking of 600, 600 pound men. He's the fat man. So if there's anybody who's going to be that fat. And I will finish this two round draft with a son of a former NFL receiver. So it's in his blood. Chris brazzled the second a nice thousand yard nine touchdown season for Tennessee. I was always scared with the Tennessee guys. You know, it's like, oh, the production looks good. The stats are there. I've never understood it. Mike and I have lamented and commented about this forever. It's like, it really is a true thing where the stats are inflated and we can't comprehend. Like, why don't you just put like, why doesn't every team do that system? Oh, that system just scores so much and has so many yards. It's not gimmicky, but at the same time, there's enough historical data that it doesn't always translate. But 64 200 pounds, 437 speed enough production to definitely take a swing to finish out the second round of the rookie mock draft. Yes. And if you want to look at the whole board, you can go to YouTube or 83% of Felix score. Okay, you're gonna, I'm telling you, I mean, that gets me moving. Yeah, as a shit. When I, when I have doubt in my life, I check Felix and I say, hey, what do you think about this player? And back testing wise, it's pretty good. Yeah, so far. So really, really good stuff there. That's going to do it for this episode. Make sure you check out the Dynasty Pass at UltimateDraftKid.com, all of our scouting reports. They're live, they're there. And we'll talk more receivers next week. Goodbye. 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