PMS 2.0 1665 - TNF Preview/Picks, Former Boise State RB Ian Johnson, Kirk Herbstreit, Chuck Pagano, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the DraftKings Thunderdome. On this NFL Week 10 kickoff, Thursday, the program begins now. Football is the greatest, and joining myself in the toxic table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, and one half of the hammer, Cowboys AP Tone, is a man who has coached football for 37 years of his life, 19 in the NFL, 18 in college. Our coach, ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagani. Hey, how you doing, Coach? How's life tonight? We got an NFC East clash. We got a little bit of weather potentially happening on a Thursday night for back-to-back weeks, and we got the Commanders and the Giants, and the Giants favored by two and a half as Amazon Prime kicks off Week 10 of the NFL season. Jayden Daniels, last time he played against the Giants, ran all over the place. Is he going to be able to do that again against this version of this New York Giants? J.J. McCarthy, he's back in the saddle yet again as the New York Giants' starting quarterback. At the beginning, we saw greatness. Then we saw some, hmm, Cam Scataboo's back tonight. Will that change how this Giants team operates, or will the Washington Commanders get a massive dub on Thursday night? Giants in control of the NFC East. You lose a game or two, though, all of a sudden, this NFC East is cracked wide the hell open yet again. Let's go to at Boston Connor, con man tonight. What are you looking forward to kind of scratch where you itch on Thursday night football? I mean, really just big hits, big plays. It feels as though we have the two premier linebackers of this rookie class, Sonny Stiles and Arvell Reese, kind of coming together. Maybe some big plays out of those guys. Punch-outs have been a big thing of this kind of year, this season so far. It's going to be a sloppy one. Slop them up. Tim Robinson's sloppy stakes tonight, so I don't know exactly what to expect offensively. That's why my head right now is just focused on, hey, we got two premier young linebackers. Let's just see some big hits. Arvell Reese, fresh off of NFC defensive player. I mean, I think he's got a lot to say about this week. Three sacks last week. He brings the hammer, and he is leading a Giants defense that I think Giants fans say that's what it's supposed to look like. Coach Pagano, as you look at tonight's game, obviously you are very biased towards John Horvath. We got to remember that for all of today. Yes, we do. Okay, Chuck has a lot of good football thoughts and knowledge. Now, his picks, this year. Picks have been tough for everybody, except for this past week. Yeah. Which kind of breaking news, I guess. We will not have a boost this evening. What? How come? Well, the DraftKings folks said, listen, we've been having fun with these boosts. I mean, we did one. I don't know if you saw this past weekend what the favorites did. We got absolutely murdered. So, no boost this week. Good job, everybody. Okay, so, shout out to us. That's what you're trying to do. Shout out to the team. Yes, sir. Shout out to the favorites. Shout out to the guys. We're not getting no boost this week, but we do have a team ride. Our team ride will be Cam Scadaboo getting into the paint. That's plus 125, just naturally, all by itself. We'll be team riding alongside of that for our record. For these Thursday nights, we cannot wait to see him back on the field for the New York Giants after missing some time, which goes to you, Coach Pagano. Gamble responsibly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Don't be an asshole. Yep. That's right. And Cam Scadaboo, can't wait to see you in the end zone. Now, Coach Pagano, you have bias towards John Hardball. You love and respect the way he goes about doing his business. We obviously all appreciate DQ as well over there at the Commanders. What are your thoughts on tonight's game and what we could potentially be seeing as we kick off Week 10? You mentioned the weather, Pat. So, when you look at turnover margin. With these guys, we'll look at the tail of the tape later. Washington's plus seven, top of the National Football League, right up there. What? Giants are minus two. So, I think turnovers, when you look at other than score, turnover margin always decides a lot of these games, right? So, I think turnover is going to be huge. Conman talked about the peanut punch. Sonny Stiles for the Washington Commanders. Arvel Reese. Javon Holland. That guy's a ball magnet. So, I think two aggressive play callers on both sides of the board. This thing. Denard Wilson for the Giants and Durante Jones for the Washington Commanders. You know where he comes from? What tree? Where's that? B-Flow. Oh! See, you already know they're going to be going, is what you're saying. Yes. They're going to have seven, eight guys up at the line of scrimmage. And are they coming or are they dropping? I didn't expect that for the Commanders there, Ty. You were just as surprised as I was. Because whenever we think about the Washington Commanders, we think, oh, they suck. But they're top of the league in turnover margin thus far. That's a good indicator on who's a good team, who's not a good team. And that's a good indicator. That's a fantastic little piece of info as we look at a sloppy evening, sloppy stage type night. Because in my mind, Giants pound the rock. A lot of big dudes. Sloppy conditions would be good for them, in my eyes. But instead, Chuck Pagano, Harbaugh disciple, actually says, turns out Giants can't protect the damn football this year. And the Commanders have been getting it at a rapid rate. I did not expect that, Ty Schmidt. No, neither did I. And usually that does, you know, kind of signal that, hey, this is a good football team. But they are 2-5-1. They are not a good football team. And the NFC East? And the NFC East. They can still host a playoff game. That's true. I think, you know, hey, listen, crazier things have happened. And you know what? Maybe it is just because I just immediately think, hey, this team stinks. And they're never going to be in my four box on Sunday. So maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention. Maybe I haven't watched Washington enough. So who knows? Now I'm maybe kind of leaning back towards the Commanders for tonight. You know, Chase on one side, Owe on the other. They sacked the hell out of the quarterback. They've been getting pressure, right? Foo. They got San Rostel in the back end. Rasu Douglas. They got some guys. Hold the phone. First ever simulcast on Monday Night Football was Commanders at 49ers. Thumping. 49ers were killing them. And then all of a sudden, what happens in the second half? Commanders come roaring back. So now I'm starting to think about it, too. And also, Stephon Diggs doesn't matter the weather. Remember, that guy got actually put through earth on the first play of the game. First play of the game. Got it. Gets back up. Gets it again. I think his finger broke at one point. This is the best Stephon Diggs that I've seen, what, in five years probably? Yes. Prime Buffalo. Just routes insane. Going hard. Getting killed. Getting back up. And Jane Daniels loves him. It's hold the phone. Maybe we got one tonight. NFC is still very much wide open. We have a lot of football left. There's a lot of storylines around the NFL right now that are certainly worthy of conversation. Kirk Cousins going back to Minnesota. I don't think I fully understood how big of a deal that actually is. Whenever Kirk Cousins was drafted. Back to the then. Washington. Yeah, the Redskins back then. Yeah. That was before the football team. Correct. That was, that was, he was drafted to that particular franchise. Right. And that was after RG3. He got drafted after RG3 in the same draft class. He inevitably becomes starting quarterback. Gets franchise tagged. Franchise tagged yet again. Then whenever he goes and hits the open market, everybody's like, hey, Kirk Cousins is a genius. Kirk Cousins is a business mastermind. He's going to figure out the contract. He does. He gets a fully guaranteed contract to the Minnesota Vikings. He calls that place home. Plays very well for them. Does a lot of great things for them. Wins a lot of football games for them. Inevitably doesn't win a Super Bowl for the Minnesota Vikings, but plays so well that the Minnesota Vikings can't keep up with what the Atlanta Falcons decide to pay him. Yet again, guaranteed another mastermind business move. 180 million or something like that to Atlanta. So I think in the trade back to Minnesota for Kirk Cousins, where were you living? A lot of the glory days of Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. They loved him over there. Oh yeah. That was his, that was his team. Washington team at the time. At the time. It was the Redskins at the time. Yes. Okay. So. B.C. Yeah. For a long time. Yes. And also B.F.T. Yes. B4 football team. Yeah. As well there. But that was never his, he was drafted after Robert Griffin III. Okay. So it never really felt like it was his team, even though he was doing well there. Franchise tag. You like that. All that's happening. Going to Minnesota, that was like supposed to be his entire, and they treated it that way. Yeah. He's dapping up everybody after they played this video, like it was kind of emotional. And I hope Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins gets a chance to watch this back about how his former teammates and former building responded to watching him have success somewhere else. This is cool. And I think there's a chance he goes crazy. And it's not just the building that likes him. There's a wide receiver out there, Chuck, that might be pretty pumped up and excited that Kirk Cousins is back in town. Yeah. I think J.J.'s ecstatic about this move. You go back to 2022, Kirk threw for 4,500 yards, 29 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. And J.J. happened to be the recipient of 128 receptions. 12 receptions thrown from Kirk Cousins for 1,809 yards and eight tutties. So you think he's jacked? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially after. All right. Okay. Okay. Do it. Do it. You're going to have to be apologizing on Twitter again. Great experience. No, I loved that experience. I loved it. Yeah. I'm sure that was a blast. It's a lot of fun whenever those types of things take place. But Carson did not play well. That offense has not played well, though. I mean, that's a big conversation. Is it Kevin O'Connell? Is it the offense? Is it the quarterback? I think we find out with a guy that he certainly had a lot of success with in the past, has a lot of the weapons, has a defense that can win it all. It's like, has KOC lost his touch? Or has he just finally found a guy that can actually operate his offense? Because we've seen it in the past. Yeah. And maybe it was the connection between Kyler and Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, like, never got going. And you would think, like, okay, well, now they have to kind of figure that out with Kirk getting there. But that's not the case. I mean, you saw it in that video. Jordan Addison was there. Justin Jefferson, T.J. Hawkinson. Like, Kirk Cousins knows how to play with these guys already. So you would assume. They hit the ground running, and their offense is good right away. But you never know. I mean, going and playing the Packers right away is pretty tough. Yeah. What did LaFleur say yesterday about the Kirk Cousins trade inside the division, back to the Minnesota Vikings? Well, he couldn't believe that, you know, all they had to give up was a third-round pick. But I also think that, like, Kevin O'Connell was kind of, you know, trying to do some gamesmanship, saying, like, well, you know, we don't know if he's going to start on Sunday. And LaFleur was basically like, yeah, I'm not a moron. I watched the Monday night game. I know that he's starting on Sunday. Here he is, actually. Can we coach for the floor? Yeah, he'll be out there. He'll be starting. I'm fairly confident of that. Obviously, he's got familiarity with their system, even if he didn't. He's a really intelligent guy, and I think he's been playing at a high level. I was surprised they didn't get more for him, quite honestly. I was shocked when I saw what they traded him for. It was mind-blowing to me. Yeah, he's a really good football player. I don't know if that's the biggest compliment I can give. I thought he's worth way more than a three. That's what they're saying about you, Kirk, not us. He coached him in Washington as well. Oh, yeah, because he came from the BFT, the BC team back over there in Washington. A lot of history over there, a lot of good football. Kirk Cousins going back to the Minnesota Vikings feels like it could be a special story. You know, trade deadline makes you feel good, unless you're a Green Bay Packers head coach going a third. That's all we needed to get a starting quarterback that can actually play football. That's absurd that they did that to us. Bears coach, Lions coach. Packers coach, group techs. Big MCDC goes, what the hell are they doing in Las Vegas, man? And then all of a sudden, Ben Johnson comes in and goes, first of all, I hate all of you. I don't want any of this, but this is bullshit. And Kevin O'Connell's sitting back thinking maybe they do win the Super Bowl this year. And Brian Flores, what do you think he's thinking on defense's side? Because it's hard. You're a former head coach, obviously defense coordinator. When one side of the ball is really good, and the other side of the ball is really fucking it all up, that's one building. And those are two different platoons that are playing in one building at one time. There's great stories about the offense and defense hitting each other, all the way back to the Bears. I think the Bears, their historic defense in the offense. Buddy, Buddy, Gilbride. Boom. Actually didn't like each other, allegedly fights, but they're all one team representing, but they're on the field at the same time. That'd be a tough thing maybe over there. B-Flow is an incredible leader. Obviously he has a lot of respect for Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell has a lot of respect for B-Flow. But if they didn't have as many vets that had been there, done that with a lot of things, that could become a pretty ugly thing, especially if you don't bring in another quarterback to try to win. It's a challenge, but I think B-Flow's the perfect guy for it because he's a team guy. He's a selfless guy. He's going to shut that room and call it like it is. Yeah, they suck. But you know what? They're our teammates, and we've got to do our job. Just think, that defense is built to play from a lead. Just think now, if they get up a score, two scores, the hell they're going to unleash. And they're not on the field for 42 minutes, Coach. They've won six games with no offense. That's going back. Like Baltimore of 2000, when they had Dilfer at quarterback, they won five games without scoring an offensive touchdown because of defensive play. So he's handling that the right way. It's a challenge for sure. All right. Well, let's pivot away from the NFL and its incredible week that it's had in storyline-wise. And we think Week 10 is going to be the best weekend yet. Oh, the slate kind of stinks. No, but that's why. Okay. Because we're just going to – but if it stinks, let's just hope that all the favorites win again so that we responsibly win every single bet. There you go. I like that. On the other side, we have a plan. What's that? I said, and on the other side, we have a plan. Connor wants to tell everybody his super surprise that he is currently doing. Can't do it. But he literally cannot tell the public. It's a secret plan. It's a secret plan. All right. This is just a little teaser for whenever you pop in on Every Action Monday and say that you're smarter than everybody. Yeah. Suck it. Okay. I like that. So that's him telling something that we decided we weren't going to talk about but so pumped up about the idea, want people to know that you have a great idea. It's a secret plan. Draft Kings ain't going to be giving out boosts next week either, are they? No, they're not. No, they aren't. What a win for everybody, if that's the case. Hey, just wondering if we have a couple ideas on things we want to boost. Not this week, pal. No way. What's that all about? We got absolutely smoked on Sunday. Taken out back. What do you mean? Worst day. That was really not good for the – okay, that's good. I like to hear that. Okay. So we'll put ours. We'll put ours up for a record. We expect to hopefully not see you next week either. This is the new normal now, Draft Kings. We'd like to let you know. We're winning now. That's what we're doing, right? Responsibly. Yes. This is not a guarantee, but this is just an optimistic view that we are all going to win all the time now going forward. I mean, we're hot right now. Stay hot. But there is a chance that DK gets back. Oh, certainly. Yeah. Certainly. Very soon there's a chance that they get back. This weekend. Yeah, very, very soon. That is kind of the game. We just can't, you know, we can't get too – High on the highs. Okay, look, right now I'm kind of celebrating that we kind of killed their boost. This is not what I need to be doing. The gambling gods, the football gods, the sports gods are watching me do this right now. We're kind of dancing in Draft Kings' face right now. That is not what we should be doing. How many opportunities are you going to get to dance? Yeah. And we have an ace in the hole. Whatever D-Bone says for college basketball, we do the opposite and we win money in between NFL games. I'm hot as a pistol in college basketball right now. Exactly. I am. Oh, my God. I know nothing about these guys. I know nothing about the teams. Just strictly learning storylines. What are the storylines behind? Because I think nowadays with these modern college athletes, more so than ever I think they have to be motivated by things. Like I think that it is very obvious. Like when – because a team will win. Number one team in the country in college football will win. Next week, boom. It feels like there is a lot trying to motivate. So, you know, that is – You don't have a Saban at the helm that can reel that in all the time? I'll tell you that. That Sparty win was huge, right? And the story you told about this kid from Chicago, got shot up and then he's returning home. Yeah, in Joliet, Illinois, it was outside of Chicago. And how many points were they getting? They were a dog by 10? Seven and a half. Seven and a half? Yeah, no way. And they won by what, 10? Yeah, no way was that kid losing. Well done, Izzo. That kid was never going to lose. No chance. No chance. In the history of my mind knowing athletes, that kid was never going to lose that game. Especially if he's up for player of the year. Like he's a very impactful player. Yeah, preseason All-American. That was kind of a stamp on the beginning of the season for him. Yeah, no chance he was losing that game. There you go. It was one of the most obvious things of all time. So I sprinkled responsibly on every single thing that I paused. Combined points, rebounds, assists, points and assists. Obviously, Michigan State plus seven and a half. Michigan State money line. I mean, it was a great start to college hoops. But college football has continued to be unpredictable. Impossible to tell what's going to happen. Who knows where college game day is going to be week to week. We are literally riding alongside all of these teams and whether or not they can piece together a couple big-time wins that puts them in a conversation for the championship. In January. Shout out Mr. Cohn. Shout out. Because they were talking about it. Yeah, in October. They envisioned it in October. Going to go on to January. And after that, it will go on January. That's the Jacksonville Jaguars. Talking about how they have visualized everything that's happening down there. With college football, it's impossible to visualize what's going to happen from one week to the next. It has been. The best season yet. Ratings up and to the right as it should because the sport, the environments, the culture, everything about college football is incomparable to the rest of the world. Soccer hooligans. Okay, have a say. They are a very passionate bunch. They're a very active bunch. They're very loud. They have chants. They have songs. They're all all in. Sweet. That's a 30,000, 40,000 person stadium. That's, hey, we are impressed. That is very, we love your passion. 108,000. Same exact thing here in America. 105,000, 103,000. College football is the greatest. Always has been. And do you know who has the longest consecutive winning season streak in all of college football right now? Alabama? Not Alabama. No. Not Ohio State. It's Boise State. You're damn right. Ladies and gentlemen, representing Boise State this weekend at College Game Day as we travel to the beautiful state of Idaho, a legend. From Boise. A man that was potentially a part of putting the wonderful university onto the map. I believe he's still in love. I believe he is still married. Ladies and gentlemen, Boise State legend who beat Oklahoma 43-42 in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. Got engaged. Became an All-American and an absolute icon. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Johnson. Yay! Hey, yes. And I am still in love. Absolutely. She's at home watching. I love you, Mama. Chrissy, you're everything to me. I still love you. Oh, my God. That's amazing to hear. I think we have the clip of when you got engaged. Obviously, Statue of Liberty play kind of took over the entire world. This is pre-Twitter internet viralness and everybody on Earth saw this. And then afterwards, the most romantic and cute college football love story as you proposed to your cheerleader girlfriend at the time. Now you're still married, still in love. God, that's beautiful, Ian. I am so happy. Happy to hear that. That's a movie, brother. Oh, thank you. Thank you. No, I've got a wonderful family. I've got my three girls at home. I mean, I'm just so blessed, man. So I love that this is made full circle. We're back here. And I love the opportunity to support and represent Boise State for game day. Okay, tell me a little bit about Boise and what we should expect. We're being told that the support is going to be awesome. 29 years of consecutive winning seasons. That's absurd to be able to be that consistent, especially in the wild world of college football. So it's definitely a football, What should we expect from the folks and the atmosphere is you guys are more than likely, a lot of football left, going to be representing in the college football playoff at the end of the year. What should we expect from the Boise folks as we get out there, Ian? You know what? Boise is just a place where it's old school values. The people care about football. The people care about each other. But the people want you to come up here and have a great time. So it's really just going to be a welcoming atmosphere for you, for everyone, college game day and it's going to be a great game where people these are regular everyday people uh that are coming into the stadium they're working nine to fives and they're supporting a bronco nation through and through all the way okay tell me a little bit about the team why do you think it has been good for so long you were a massive piece of it uh in the late to to tens how do you describe that mid mid mid tens mid to long time ago that's how we describe it i was in college then too i don't really know how to describe it i got a chance to kind of watch from afar as you guys were taking over we were actually in the festival the year after you guys i think and beat oklahoma there so you know we we knew a lot about your team and everything you guys had cooking obviously the blue turf was uh smurf turf was a part of the entire lore of the place but why do you think boise state has been so successful what what is it about the place is it the people what are you what are kind of your thoughts about the football ops over the last three decades the biggest thing is the culture the culture here stayed true you we've had different coaches um the the heads of our team have always wanted to make sure the coaching down as this belief that the team is going to represent and reflect the community and when the team reflects the community it's easy for the people to get behind them and support them and want to push them and then the team this is a blue collar community blue collar players playing together play for one another we were always taught Do your job, not the job of the guy next to you. And when you have 100 guys willing to do the job that is just theirs, it makes it special. It also makes it, you can't have prima donnas. You can't have someone who's going to be bigger than the team. And that's what makes things stick around. It's easy to be a flash in a pan. It's easy to do it one time. But to do it over and over and over again, you have to have that structure. And you have to have it from the top to the bottom. And it's something we've got here. Yeah, it sounds like it. And whenever you play blue-collar football for blue-collar people, you're probably going to have a good back. Tone has a question for you, Ian. Yeah, Ian, I'm going to read some names off to you. Ian Johnson, Ashton Gentry, Jay Ajayi, Doug Martin, Jeremy McNichols. Is Boise State running back you? And you have Dylan Riley, who leads college football this year in rushing yards. Is Boise running back you? I mean, it's really, really hard to say no to that. It's one of the things. I mean, when Pat was asking, he's like, what made this team good for the – I mean, it's 20 years since I played. What's been the secret sauce? We've had running backs. Like, we have that one special quarterback that you get once in a lifetime in college football, which is our Kellen Moore. But during that time, we've had some of the most amazing running backs. You see what Riley's doing now. I still love Sarah Gaines, Doug Martin. I mean, God rest his soul. We've had some amazing – We've had some amazing guys here. And guys have all done it pretty much the same way. Wanted to hit you in the mouth, play after play after play. And that makes it so much easier for the offense to get doing what they're doing, for quarterbacks to do what they're doing, and for the defense to do what they need to do. Yeah, Ashton Gentry, just a couple years back, we all expected him to leave Boise. And he said, no, I'm not going anywhere. It obviously ends up working out for him. And I think you're the perfect person to represent for college game day. Thank you for taking time today, and thank you for showing up for us. Thank you for showing up for us on Saturday. You're the man. Absolutely. Happy to be here. And I promise you, unlike our neighbors to the south, we'll take care of you. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you, thank you. Still jacked. Yeah, he is. So jacked. Absolutely jacked. Running back you. What a funny thing. Tone holds up his dry erase board and he goes, RBU. And I'm like, I don't think anybody's ever said that about Boise. Can't wait to hear this. I mean, you can read off a list of names. You kind of forget. Where's it? Where's it? Jai. Was he England? Was Jai a Jai English? Maybe. He might have been. I can't remember. I don't think so. He might have been. I think he might have been. Hold on. Come on. Come on, me. Maybe it was a European game. Yeah, he was in London. He was born in London. There you go. Boom. Still got it. Pretty pumped up about that. Jeremy McNichols didn't even think of that. He's playing tonight, too. Yeah, you were rattling through names and I was like, whoa. I think he's on IR. Is he back on IR? Because he came back. Oh, no. Look it up. Joining us now is a man who might have the answer. He should. The guy who obviously was commentating big-time college football games while the Ian Johnson Boise State Bronco run was happening in the late. Late 2000s. Late 2000s. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who's good in the 90s, the early 2000s, the late 2000s. The aughts, if you will. The early teens, the late teens, the early 20s, ladies and gentlemen. The ever youthful. Yeah. Right? I think that was it. It's like Ben Button. Yeah. He is kind of. Ben Button. And you know, rest in peace to Ben. I think Peter's kind of keeping him young, too. Oh, definitely. Ladies and gentlemen, one of the commentators for this evening, kicking off week 10 of the NFL season on Amazon Prime, Kirk Herbstreit. Yay! Yay! Look, he's getting younger. How we doing? Every week you pop on here, you get younger. I don't know what you're doing. I know modern science is incredible, but isn't it absurd? Look, the hair's even strong, too. And every once in a while, it looks like you'll just say, ah, enough of it, and cut it yourself. It is a, you're a remarkable fella. How you feeling halfway through the season? I think you look incredible. And on game day, your energy outrageous still. How do you feel? You feel good halfway through? I love it, man. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. You know, it's, you're going through it, too. It's a fun grind. It's how lucky we are to work on a show on college game day like you guys have with your group right there where, you know, there's just a camaraderie. You know, some teams have it. Some teams don't. We're lucky to have camaraderie. We have it on Thursday night. Man, I'm just real fortunate. Saturday night with that crew that I work with. So, yeah, it's a lot of work. But, man, it's football, and it cannot be any better. I'm loving it. Now we got so many storylines that are unfolding, not only with the CFP, but now that we're getting to the second half of the NFL, things are starting to kind of get real. We're starting to find out who's, the cream's starting to rise a little bit. So, I'm wrapped up all in it, man. Just loving it. Yeah, me, too. It's been fun this year. Now, Lyle. It's been loud, very loud, unexpected, and expected, I guess, I kind of am a huge part of it all. But the season itself, the football, and the environments that we've gotten a chance to experience, feels better than ever, man. And let's talk about college football before we get into tonight, because there's going to be a bunch of questions. When the college football playoff rankings come out, day-to-day talk show, obviously we love it. And I think there is little indicators on things that the committee is telling us now that might really mean something down the road. But for you here, there hasn't been much complaining about this particular set of rankings. SEC still getting a lot of love. Obviously, that immediately leads to, like, there's an SEC bias. But if you look at this, it's all going to seemingly shake out how it's supposed to. If you look at the remaining schedules for everybody, any big takeaways from you other than maybe UCLA at four as opposed to, like, three or something along those lines? Anything else, Herbie, for you? No, there's really, there's really, that's why I don't, I've learned a lot. I've learned over the years not to really get, you know, alarmed by these first two or three, four weeks of these rankings. You know, and I think when we were first going through it, especially when it was four teams, I think it was very obvious and easy to be like, oh my gosh, how is this team ranked here? And now I feel like, and it makes you wonder about what the future will be with 24. I just think that eventually it'll work itself out. Now, there'll be controversy at the end. There always is. You know, last year with Notre Dame being left out, Alabama going in, there was a controversy. You know, right now. There are people who are anti-SEC no matter what they do. They're up in arms that UCLA is undefeated and Alabama is ahead of them. But I, there's really nothing on here that makes me think, you know, for Ty, it's not right now, but it's down the road. I mean, they're going to be heavily favored in these next, these next three games. You wonder with teams like Oregon and South Carolina and USC, maybe even an LSU go to go all the way down to 23. If some of these teams were to win out just because of who they're playing and, and, and the opportunity to, to impress the committee, you know, that, that could become something that becomes a sticky point as Pete Thamel would say. I don't know if Ty feels good. Ty, I think I heard you on, on Tuesday talking with the guys about, about Iowa and you're kind of, kind of lukewarm right now where they sit. Um, but what, what's, what's unfortunate for them is just an example is just, they don't have the marquee wins. They don't have anything in front of them that can really send a strong message. They're a very good team. I think we always, always look at Iowa as a, a sound team, a team that can beat anybody that they play on a given Saturday, but they don't, they don't necessarily have those, those massive wins. Ty, I didn't hear after the rankings came out, what were your, your thoughts on their actual spot and where they are? Yeah. I mean, they're, they're not completely out of it. I think if they would have been at like 22, it would have been like, okay. They, they have no chance. I think, you know, you hate to do it cause it would kind of, uh, diminish what the conference is, but like they would really benefit from Illinois beating UCLA tomorrow night because they go to Champaign. My big thing with them was, I feel like they kind of moved the goalposts cause like, I know Michigan's not worth a shit, but when they went to Ann Arbor and beat them, they were ranked 18th, you know, Wisconsin just came off beating USC. They were ranked like Northwestern. Like, so, you know, at the time the wins are okay. and then now it's like the winds aren't good anymore so whereas you know with with a lot of these sec teams like they're still going back to september when they beat mississippi state when camario taylor was playing so it seems like it it's not you know it's not uh weighted the same but we'll see i mean that they've you know they have to win out and then the kind of the chips fall where they may then being at 15 i think they're in an okay spot neither a couple you know i i look at the same thing pat with with like a usc you know usc's had some ups and downs obviously you look at an ohio state win that they had if you go back to that night that performance that was a great win for usc now you can look at ohio state and what happened against oregon and say okay they're falling apart but i'm i'm with ty on that i i look at that night what they took to win that game um under the circumstances whether it was a crowd or or being on the road or dealing with a player that was injured i i i try to hold on to remembering regardless of what happens to that team after that game and i think that's a great win for usc that i try to remember that week what that win meant to that particular team um and i did want to ask you guys this uh pat and i've done this on game day and i wanted to just ask you guys we all had our preseason picks right everybody had a team or who they thought might get to the national championship and you know i think i had notre dame knocking off indiana in the national championship in august and now that we've had i guess nine nine weeks whatever week we're in now week nine or ten um i i'd love to just go around the room if you if you could do it all over right now and put the national championship game together i still think notre dame gets to the national championship but i'm i'm i'm really enjoying watching georgia's defense and what gunner stockton can do i would go georgia over notre dame in the natty if we had to do it all over starting right now how about you guys okay does notre dame play their best football like they just played because if they are yeah if they are going to do that i'm going to go with them i think we can all really like what notre dame has yeah man notre dame being two years in the making too this is like two years into making everything that's why uh and you you picked notre dame as well with yeah with malachi tony out that does change the conversation but that was still a very good miami team but man if notre dame loses that game i think i never am able to believe in marcus freeman ever again i i actually like that is how i would have viewed it like hey this is a game you gotta win bro like this is last year you did it and then you said we leave no doubt leave no doubt well this is no doubt this is literally the entire thing that you are doing is this particular game and after talking to freeman and then after like catching it was like there's no way they lose this game like literally cannot lose this game and i'm pumped that they did because i think what it did was prove to a lot of us who like their like marcus who like their roster who like cj it was like the first time we can say like yeah these dudes did do what they were supposed to do in a massive game in a massive setting so much like uh you and reese i believe like notre dame going into the year i wasn't necessarily there yet because i hadn't seen the big lights in a big stage and then be able to conquer it yet with these ass being there i uh i like that notre dame team i i really like that but i don't think so right now right now if you had to pick it over the national championship i got georgia against notre dame who do you got i i think i got the same as you now granted those are the two odds on favorites but i think it does at the stage of this season i think the sports books are seeing the same things that we're seeing and i don't know if the sports books watch that vlog that came out of georgia but kirby is still 1997 these somebody needs to get hurt like he is still and i'm thankful that they are putting that out out of kirby's heart because that they old miss had no shot okay it wasn't i picked old miss i picked old miss i picked trinidad chambas at old miss at home has that gotta have it didn't you kind of upset with gunner i was like i still believe in gunner i think gunner's gonna be all right you were a little bit down on a gunner i love gunner for good reason gunner bummed me out man he i was bummed out and then georgia bulldogs fans came out and were like you're a dipshit for being bummed out by gunner have you have you shown her's a baller yes he is a ball and his name's gunner and the first time i got introduced to him he got john elway whirlybird knocked out and then he got right back oh my gosh capitated i love gunner i love him i was bummed out about him i like trinidad chambas a lot as well so i was like boom after watching that vlog you could have lined up the fucking 85 bears i i think the georgia bulldogs would have won that particular game there after watching the vlog they looked pissed off they look pissed off and notre dame and georgia i think are the two teams who have the most this year you know like two years in the making like this is the most both both got knocked out of the playoffs both got a chip on their shoulder they've had it since preseason anybody disagree besides gumpy well anybody else gumpy says hey he caught that ball too well does this uh national championship have the refs in notre dame's back pocket okay all right all right go yeah miami's still a dancer which we appreciate tone who do you have so i spent a lot of time each week you know doing power ratings and stuff like that and i have four teams within a point and a half and coincidentally it's those top four teams up there georgia notre dame alabama and miami with georgia and notre dame being the top two so as as chalk as that is i agree with the georgia notre dame georgia notre dame is the best team in the world just real quick though lsu has texas and tennessee here down the stretch right they do yes they are my number five team actually in the park okay so lsu has had top 10 offense top 10 defense they just lose games you know so like i mean they all gained bam they just couldn't put it in the red zone in bam and nobody's saying bam after what we just saw you know that's fascinating ty do you have anybody uh i personally would like to see a miami notre dame rematch with a healthy mouth that'd be a good one that'd be a great one con man i think georgia miami would be the one for me just because i feel like it would be the most physical battle yeah mario's boys versus kirby's boys and i do think if notre dame miami were to play in the semis miami would be the more like hey we got malachi now we're healthy we got to go prove that we are better than these guys coach pagano georgia miami for me because they're going to be mad as hornets you know mario's going to have them ready and they're going to get they're going to get malachi tony back yeah are they well i would say is that definite yeah how long is that going to be slow supposed to be back for the playoff but they got to get there right see i thought they were just saying that so the committee says like oh they'll be back teams they got left on their schedule that looks pretty good who do you have we got duke and then we got uh virginia tech as well duke and vt is that be careful sleep on jimbo careful saturday duke's been beating the shit out of team i know they didn't want to rank them or rank smu or put any acc teams in the top 25 but missouri's still in there somehow the best thing that happened was they they lost at herbie they lost to notre dame missouri's lost three of four they're still in the top 25 you tell me i'm just saying be careful besides you bullshitting around with the sec just be careful saturday okay that's what i said i literally just said duke's a hard game that's what i said yes yeah yeah they're beating the shit out of all your sec hate they should they should be ranked herbie should they not yeah you think i think i think you should really they got wake this weekend right yeah yeah so wake is a great smu is going to be wake saturday smu is going to be ranked when they get ready for notre dame yeah but if wake wins that game it's not a ranked win for wake like i don't smu is they are right now scoring on everybody i i mean wake and if wake if wake beats smu that is a massive win for wake but smu is a real deal but smu is not ranked to gumpy's point so later down the stretch it's going to be anybody who knows ball knows if wait it smu is going to be should be ranked okay smu is ranked in my mind i don't care what the committee smu is a ranked team should be okay we all believe that but i think what you hear from the little canadian ex-ship painter in the back there who loves the miami hurricanes is once again acc getting zero treatment from the committee which could then be potentially held against them later when decisions are being made much like what's happening with potentially with iowa you know like well he didn't have any ranked wins it's like well smu is a good football team yeah but they weren't right it's like that's just uh yeah that's part of the bullshit you know that's part of the entire bullshit that is that now let's chit chat a little bit uh about nfl stuff let's go to the nfl can you hear that thunder by the way oh you guys are in it huh oh i mean it is it is big big thunder lightning i i mean it's it's uh rain is upon us here in new york thunder thunder yeah lightning in a thunder thunder thunder feel the thunder lightning in a thunder thunder thunder last week we didn't know a monsoon was coming thanks for that one kirk uh tonight though it feels like i tried to help i tried to help you last week i know we didn't hit anything bro but uh the favorites won so much that draft kings won't give us a boost this week so we beat them so bad on sunday we as a society beat draft kick so bad they said yeah right we're not doing many boosts this week for you so uh we're riding with cam scataboo so if he gets in a paint go ahead and celebrate for the boys but okay weather chuck pagano brings up tonight's game commanders plus seven turnover margin uh new york giants minus two when you think of these two teams you think giants good commanders bad commanders have that big of a turnover margin uh differential from the giants in this sloppy ass weather that could be an actual difference what are your thoughts going into tonight's game i'm getting more excited about this particular game every minute we continue to talk about it chuck just rattled off commander's defensive stats and how good the defense is and then there's so many storylines for the giants with cam coming back and jj mccarthy trying to establish himself as an nfl quarterback as a whole for you what are the storylines tonight and how does the weather affect it you think yeah i mean i'm with i'm with coach i the commanders just they've just been inconsistent and of course at the end of games it just there's been a bunch of this you know just just what has happened where they'd have they've had opportunities to close games out and they just haven't been able to do that but there are moments when you look at them and think this is a really good football team now they lost ken law and pain on the defensive tackles that's a significant loss in the interior of their defense but they've been able to overcome it they're they're still playing really good defense like you turn on the film like it sounds like coach has done they apply pressure i mean they get after the if they can get you they can slow down your run game and get you into some obvious passing situations and they don't always have to dial it up i mean they got guys that can get home they do blitz those inside linebackers form 52 will come after you a bunch but they got guys off the edge that uh chason who came over from the patriots doing a good job um oway is another guy coach knows all about him and what his his skill set is all about so they've got guys that can pressure you got jj mccarthy on the other side who what a story that's been you know i mean he comes out of michigan as a first rounder um doesn't work out i think a lot of people including myself thought that he and ko would be a really good matchup match has didn't work out for whatever reason uh whether that was with the scheme or you know the injuries that he sustained kyler murray comes over and lo and behold he gets an opportunity uh with jackson dart going down uh jamis winston kind of kind of held things up there as long as he could but they wanted to get a guy that was very similar to jackson dart as far as skill set so they go out and get jj mccarthy i don't know if a lot of people saw this they were getting hammered by the saints 34 to 10 in the fourth quarter jamis was the starter that day and they end up putting jj mccarthy and down 34 10 just to give him some reps in the offense kind of see how you do next thing you know 34 17 they put him in in the fourth quarter 11 minutes left i think 11 minutes left yeah yeah 34 17 34 24 next thing you know it's 34 27 they get the ball they're freaking driving they get down to like the 14 or 15 yard line with a chance to potentially tie it or maybe go for it to win the game and i think they all probably looked around even though they came up short that game i think they looked around and said oh we i think we got a guy here so then they get they get ready for houston they go down there and take care of business with jj was it pretty against philly but they found a way to win give a nod to jamis for coming off the bench a 14 play drive to kind of get a touchdown up on the board and had to win an ugly one something they haven't been able to do against philly in a long time um he obviously took a big hit uh by bond and he ended up coming back from it he's he's kind of won the team over you talk to some of the giants coaches and players um so he's kind of my point is this guy was left for dead and for whatever reason in minneapolis gets an opportunity and a second lookout on on his career even though it's very early in his career and it's been a good fit and he he just seems to have that that confidence and that swag that he had when he played at michigan there's there's like a belief there for him right now so i i i'm excited to see can the giants with hardball in this first year this is a franchise as you guys know it has just been just been frustrating just been um not not a great culture as far as believing in themselves not it just always seems like the shoe drops on the other side it just always seems to go against them and here they are five two and one and with a chance to really eliminate the commanders you already have eliminated the eagles they win tonight they eliminate the commanders big lead on dallas i mean they're in control now here's the thing they're not they're not playing up to their ability yet i mean they're still not running the ball consistently they're just playing complimentary football old school stuff that is like coach speak but guess what it works and right now that's what they got going scataboo who missed last week he went over 100 yards after he got benched against the saints came back in this game right here went over 100 yards best game of his career had a hammy tweak missed last week against philly comes back this week so i'm anxious to see how he can go with jj again so i'm excited to see how he can go with jj again see if they can get this offense going against this commander's defense that like i said there's enough ability over there if you get behind the sticks especially with this weather uh it got to get scataboo going they got to get their run game going to take some of the heat off their passing game scataboo plus 120 to score a touchdown tonight we found that to be fascinating because what scataboo does we feel like is hard yards down by the goal line scores touchdown now there have been times earlier this year where harbaugh didn't have him in on the goal line he obviously fumbled he got benched he comes back what is the belief from the giants in scataboo as being their running back one because we did hear the conversation about jonathan taylor potentially getting traded to the new york giants because we are believers in scataboo we just saw him before his hamstring go for what 120 or something like that uh singletary and uh tracy also added like 40 yards apiece in the backfield there for the giants who are going to be run dominant i guess anytime harbaugh's your head coach but what is the belief in scataboo from harbaugh have you got any any conversations about that and kind of how he views him as a giant yeah absolutely i i think there's been some growing pains for him um john harbaugh who coach understands i mean he was a part of it the culture is real like i said i mean this is a culture that's been struggling and coach could tell you he'd probably do a whole hour on what makes john harbaugh effective as a leader i asked him about it i said man it's so impressive to watch what you did in baltimore for decades and now to see what you've done just year one what what's the key you know what what what's the magic touch like what what do you do and he and he went on for a long time and talking about his some of his philosophies and beliefs i'm sorry i'll get to scataboo in a second i'm just so impressed by a guy that can come in in the first year and take a franchise that has a lot of great history and tradition and they've just been struggling and here they are five two and one and these players are playing with confidence they're flying around they're playing for each other but he said there's a partnership with the players this can't be you imposing here's our culture he's like you can't do that today you you've got to come in you've got to pour into these players as people you got to get to know them as people show them you care about them as people and what and then you got to set goals as a collaboration who do we want to be not not i'm the coach you're the player who do we want to be well we want to win the we want to win the nfc east okay that's a great goal what else do we what who else do it and then and then okay this is what you guys are saying you want to do well guess what let's hold each other accountable and let's go chase these dreams man let's go chase these goals together so if you're not doing something that's helping us get to those goals i'm gonna let you know if we're not doing something as a staff to help you get to those goals you guys let us know let's do this together you know and i think that way of coaching is in in today's world really resonates and then when you have success on top of that you find a way to win close games these players he told me he said the big thing i found is number one there's more talent here than i realized and there is a hunger a collective hunger here because they've been kicked around for so long so you mix john harbaugh's way of creating culture with talented players that have been through adversity they're on their third quarterback shit they had to go you know a month ago and go find a quarterback who's now starting so they've faced adversity but they're overcoming it it's just fascinating to me um to watch this i'm just so impressed by it so i just had to get that off my chest no no no but i think i think that uh goes directly to the cam scataboo situation which is what i want to tell you because it brought out his best game he played his best game go ahead herbie yeah yeah yeah exactly right so scataboo is a still a young guy that's learning getting a lot of attention oh he's you know he's this big physical guy and needed to kind of be held accountable on not making mental mistakes not making mistakes not making mistakes not making mistakes not making mistakes not making fumbling not making mistakes that hurt the team and if you're going to hurt the team no matter who you are guess what you're not going to play so against new orleans he's he's over there on the sideline and as we all know as a young player you you get you get benched like that you can do one or two things you can sulk you can go to your agent you can complain or you can get bowed up and pissed off and and whatever you were doing that was making mistakes you can want to say i'm going to show you kind of thing and to his credit that's what scataboo has done so it's not just boy he's he's physical and and all that i think he's grown up and i think that uh that john harbaugh and his staff have have held him accountable i think he's responded favorably and so yeah there was some talk about jonathan taylor and and other backs but i think they feel good they'd love to have tracy tyrone tracy healthy he's on the ir to give him a little bit more of a one-two punch they got singletary back there but this is as much their running game is as much on the offensive line being more consistent than it is on 44 you know against houston they go for 188 last week against philly they go for 80 so it's i think they're searching for consistency with the line play when it comes to their running game they're doing a great job in pass pro but they got to do a much more consistent job of running the football especially in a sloppy one like it's going to be tonight with the weather i think this bodes well for a hardball led offense with jj mccarthy cam scataboo and the lads we'll see if they're able to do it commander's team could be a problem jayden daniel's a good football player oh yeah really good he rushed for over a hundred think against the giants the last time they played will he be able to do that again i would say no i think it's a different giants defense what are you thinking from the commander's side and their thoughts on how to attack this much more blitzing and bringing giants defense yeah yeah yeah exactly i talked to denard wilson their defensive coordinator this morning first of all really impressive guy really really sharp dude was with tennessee the last couple years came over with when hardball had this opportunity for him and has a defense that's playing very very well they're not giving up very many explosives at all they're top five uh in the league as far as uh explosives so they make you earn it you know about the rookie arvel reese out of ohio state and what he's capable of doing coming off that three sack game 12 tackles forced the fumble he was he was incredible but jayden daniels did get out on him that first game about a month ago he was able to all of it was off scrambles none of it was designed that's the difference with david blau now taking over for they're under center more they're trying to take some of the wear and tear off of jayden daniels who obviously had a number of injuries a year ago that affected his his his and his team's performance so they've been under center they're trying to get their running game going they've got injuries themselves in the backfield they've got their starting centers down that's an issue for them they had some bad snaps last week but as far as jayden daniels ability um we all know that this guy is a pocket quarterback but has dynamic defense and he's got a lot of defense he's got a lot of playmaking ability um and this is what he did against the giants if you play man to man this is what you're going to get and they played a ton of man and they blitzed they played zero i think 16 snaps uh in this game and you play zero against jayden daniels you you better have a spy or you better have him contained and you know they did for the most part but there were a couple times he was able to get out and make them pay so and by the way his first game as you can see it was there as well so round two looks like it's going to be very similar as far as it's a great celebration yeah it's a great celebration it is i like that i like that but yeah can he throw the football tonight giants are really gonna try to keep him in the pocket try to keep zone eyes on him not let him have backs turned to him where he can get out and go and they are going to play some man because they do such a good job of it and if they do arvel reese and company somebody's going to have to spy him and not let him get out all right well we can't wait for tonight week 10 kicking off on amazon prime with this man and now michaels and kaylee hardtongue and clarissa thompson and tony gonzalez and ryan fitzpatrick and wit and sherm and the pregame show starts at seven with carissa and the lads it's good they do a great job they do and we travel on thursdays to uh the places so we watch the nightcap as well they do good shows i thought they made an aggressive decision with the dry race board listing out uh their seven nfc playoff teams in real time sure all of them are doing it that's tough chris is just chris is just sitting there waiting on them you know and then get over to sherm sherm was like uh i only got my first four i still got all right we'll wait they put i like the spontaneity it feels like and the camaraderie of that particular show i think they're a good show and they give us and wit wit's down to playing i think wit's trying to come back as a tight end handsome handsome lad it's down to about 210 and he's a giant you you forget how big these freaks are you know they are side shows a monster monster hands gigantic i forget what field it was uh he walked out onto it must have been la i would assume he was there and what does he do what is what does he do i immediately he walked out out we're in 30 seconds from coming back on monday night countdown to make our picks we're out there on the field i see big wit come on i go sprinting right over to him i get down in three point you know i'm on an nfl field with a hall of fame tackle right now let me see what this feels like you know let me see what this feels like i think i get him just so we know he does give me good shove on shoulder i mean and i probably end up you know probably right down into the mud but wit is the man okay we'll watch that tonight we can't wait to see what happens next week wait for tonight we thank you nfl had huge storylines brother huge storylines this week especially trade deadline day one in particular feels like it could have super bowl implications coach has a question for you herbie herbie you mentioned minneapolis kirk cousins goes back to the vikings reunited over back there uh him and jj had an unbelievable season back in 2022 how much pressure is koc how much pressure is on koc to make sure that that this thing goes uh as planned and and it just feels like with the quarterbacks that he had with carson and kyler murray he was trying to fit a round peg into a square hole and now he's got a system guy a guy that fits his system do you see it that way i i i'm still i still think kirk cousin still has it you know and i think you put him into a familiar system like that i i think it's turnkey i think that's the one guy you could bring in at the trade deadline and give them an opportunity to get back to be more effective at that position um you know everybody talks about man they had a chance to lock in darnold after the year that he had but that's that's water under the bridge at this point they got to find a guy that can run this offense and who better to and again with the way they're playing defensively that you don't have to come in and be a hero just come in and make some good decisions let's not turn the football over um but man i i think it's a perfect fit i'm anxious i'm so fired up to see what minnesota is going to do from this point on and he just again just because of his personality even the way he walks right there he just has a calming effect a calming personality and but i think the familiarity with the scheme um and and being very very effective when he was there as a player i i think it's it's a perfect fit now let's see if it works like you said but my my message to him would be hey man don't feel like you got to come in here and save us just come in here and play smart football which is what he's done his whole career so i i think this is a great a great pickup for him uh we all agree on that the video's coming out and i think it's going to be a great pickup for him i think it's going to be a great pickup for him and i think it's going to be a great pickup for him and i think it's going to be a great pickup where it's at right now semester-wise in sports and everything and i guess julie wouldn't ask the kids what they want to do and they said let's go they wanted to get back to minnesota so well what a home they had remember that beautiful home they had making fire good fire making fires that's a nice fire coop yeah yeah and then down in the basement too the two oh yeah playing knee football down in the basement yeah and also the two uh i don't know how else to describe them so i hope they do not take older folks that were his body gurus remember they had like oh my god two grand ma's blankets on top of him while he was down there had his little little brain scan thing on in his office that's back yeah wow let's do it by the way by the way like you did with college football i know you got to end your this uh this hour we got time okay like we did with college football if you picked right now who's going to the super bowl here's mine jacksonville chicago chicago super bowl oh okay now we will say people are calling jacksonville the afc's chicago chicago goes on prime time pounds the seattle seahawks makes a huge addition of jeffrey simmons to the defense and what everybody thought was their potential weakness that could hold them back now becomes a strength easy to see why you picked the bears jags little stunner goes crazy on trade that night i just want i want pro bowlers i i want potential future first ballot hall of famer at every level on the defensive side let's just drop these pros into what we already have cooking dude i think they've won what 15 and two i forget the number there's some sort of record over the last 17 it's just outrageous and liam this mastermind of a motivator he wears louis vuitton shoes and he'll sprint into a team meeting room and rally the boys to go to war i love the way they've turned that i like that i like the like sweats he's going with too i like i like the look that he's got going with the vest he looks he looks the part you know and then he's and he's a good he's really good at being pissed off you know he just he's kind of born with a chip on his shoulder i i i like it and i think that more importantly the team responds to it because it's it's him it's it's authentic and those pickups were massive we of course had them the uh the other week where they didn't have those uh players and they're already a really good football team and what they're doing on that offense trevor lawrence has never played better in his career and so it's it's it's a legit team afc is going to be a grind part of me hopes that josh allen eventually he's going to get it but uh if jacksonville keeps winning and they get home field i don't know i think they're the team to beat afc i got i got them and the bears in the super bowl okay see that means you like the bears and the nfc north as well which could potentially have all four teams dancing in the playoffs inevitably nfc race crazy uh con man you got the patriots and who uh i'll go patriots and actually rams i kind of think the rams are going to go on around i know they're on the outside looking in but and they're banged up. But I feel like they can win in multiple ways. We're talking about Puka being out. That sucks. They can hand the ball off 40 times a game with Corham and Kyron Williams. So I actually think the Rams are going to go on a pretty crazy run here. And they might get healthy late, which would make them very dangerous. And if Aaron Donald can get back to form with what Myles Garrett just did, defense becomes definitely championship caliber. Crazy pick. Would not have expected that. Packers are taking on who, Ty? I'd love to see the Packers and the Buffalo Bills. Oh, Josh Allen all the way back. Getting a chance to get to the Super Bowl. Imagine the world watching Josh Allen in a Super Bowl for the first time. You know, somewhere in Frankfurt. They watch a lot of football there. Bali. Yeah, somewhere in Bali. Super Bowl's on. Super Bowl's on. Local TV, maybe cafe of some sort. Walk by. Oh, Super Bowl's on. Let's go and watch. I've never seen the sport before. Josh Allen pops on the screen. What the hell is that thing? That thing is really tall, really fast. Can throw it 75. Can throw it 75 yards and can outrun everybody. He is special talent with that team they have. And then they'll pound the rock. 30 touches plus for James Cook. 31 touches. Over 100 yards against that Vikings defense. They were fun to watch on Monday night. At the beginning, very cagey affair. And then at halftime, Joe Brady started cooking. And Joe, before that game, told me on Monday Night Countdown, whenever I asked him about Brian Flores' defense, you know, direct matchup there, Brian Flores' defense, Joe Brady's offense, what is your immediate thought? He goes, They have to play us. That was what he said. Into a microphone on television before Monday Night Football. He was not happy that that was a narrative. I love that. I think the boys love that. Could very easily see the Bills dancing for the first time this year in Josh Allen's era. And they would. Can the defense do it? I mean, that's the question, Kirk. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they want to be in that position to have to outscore people. But I think Joe Brady is a head coach and not just an OC. He's calling a game smart. Trying to put his defense in a position to be able to play complimentary football to what the offense is doing. And if they can stay healthy, I think they got enough on that defense to be able to put them in a position where Josh Allen doesn't have to feel like, oh, man, who do I got to outscore today? But as you guys know, all comes down to home field advantage. That's why now that we're in the second half of the season, who's going to win these games? Who's going to stay healthy? That's interesting right there. Yeah, buddy. Who is the two seed right now? Denver? Yeah, Denver. Okay. Maybe it's Josh Allen's year. Whoa! I thought you just had. I'm going Jacksonville, but sentimentally, I'd love to see Josh Allen get one. Okay, I like that. And then they got the old Cincinnati Bengals hanging around out there. Yeah, and that's obviously a part of the conversation. They just had a rusher go for 100 yards. Their offensive line was on top five offensive. That's what I'm saying. And then they had a lot of good runs in the trenches with A.Q. Shipley from week nine. So that was an abnormal thing we could not have expected. Big one Sunday night. That's part of the story. And, Tone, who do you have in the Super Bowl to continue Kirk's thought here? Pittsburgh Steelers versus who? Niners. Steelers versus Niners? Ah! I think they could do it all. Their defense is getting healthy. They're getting all their guys back. Now, as long as the substation doesn't shred beef all their wide receivers, like the memes that Connor was referring to yesterday that were hilarious, if they get all their guys back and they can stay healthy, which is a huge one. It's a huge one for them. I really like what they're doing. I still have yet to laugh in an A.I. video. I laugh at every single one. I haven't laughed at one. There hasn't been one that I haven't laughed at. Every single one. When Jerry jumped out of the press box, you weren't laughing at that one? I didn't laugh at that. I didn't laugh at any of these things. Boy, we went right past one o'clock. Didn't even bother you. What? We pushed it. No, we pushed the brake. I didn't know you were allowed to do that. I didn't know. I always thought it was like, hard out, hey, ho, hey, ho. We do. Hard out 57, normal. Okay, that's 57 is target time. We got three minutes there. You know, no other commercials. I guess we're allowed to technically say, commercial free, first hour, even though we have three minutes of commercials in that first hour. So, you know, I don't. But, yeah, we just punt that thing down the road. Bruce Brown back there gets on a call with transmission up there at ESPN. He says, hey, we're going to go ahead and move that thing back until 1.10 this time because you were really grooving, we thought. So, you know, we're trying to project what time, and you were really in it. I mean. That commander's breakdown, I don't think I expected. I did like it. I feel more informed. But you were rolling, so we just pushed that thing to 1.10. Just go ahead and punt that. Plus, we got predictions. Exactly. Just punted it right down to 1.10. Boom. Said, get on back here. And they said, you got it. And we said, all right. You guys do that a lot. I didn't know you guys did that. Yeah, we'll do it on a pretty regular basis nowadays, especially with the conversations cooking. This time of year, there's so much happening. Oh, man, so much. I don't know how these people go to commercial breaks. Like, I respect it. But it's like, they got like 12. 12 minutes, and then they go. And then there's 12 minutes, and then they go. It's like, we would never be able to do that. Now, there's some days in June, July. You would love those. Oh, it'd be nice to be able to throw it somewhere for a couple minutes, you know, and just kind of come back afterwards with a whole new subject plan idea. But we benefit from the way our brains operate in this particular fashion. And I do think it's a little bit more of a digital presence on a linear television, which is probably how the marketing is going to be in the future. I think it's probably a good little, little sample for it all that it actually does work. And you can be profitable utilizing digital philosophy with linear advertising. Because the 30-second ad, is that really doing shit anymore? I don't know. That's up for those people to decide. But if you've got a tag team partner like Buffalo Trace right here. Sure. Or maybe you've got the SeatGeek ticker down there who has been so incredibly kind to us. And then you go down the line, and you say, you know what, this Ram truck, if I want to get one that's powerful, luxurious, and something I want to showcase around the town, I'll go ahead and get myself a Ram truck. Yeah, so that's how we go about doing it, Herbie. Just wasted three minutes. We'll actually have to punt this thing to 115, because there's a lot of other questions that we have for you. Chuck Pagano, who is your Super Bowl teams that will be representing in Los Angeles on ESPN, our first Super Bowl here? You know I have an affinity for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills, Wyoming alumni. I just don't know. If they would have went out and got another pass rusher up in Buffalo, I would have been all in on them. But I think Denver's got the more complete team, so I like Denver. Denver versus the Niners. Okay. Good one. Oh, Nix, he wins those close ones. You have to. That's what the playoffs are. It's wide open. It's wide open. There's so many teams. Yeah, the AFC pretty much walked in on the seven that are probably going to make it. Obviously, there's teams lurking in the AFC, but if you look at the records, it feels like AFC, it's going to be this collection in some sort of order. The NFC, though, a lot of question marks, man. A lot of question marks on how they're going to figure it out. In this Minnesota Vikings team, nobody has said it. After what we just saw from their defense and how bad Carson Wentz was, and that was still a game against the Buffalo Bills for a bit, it's like the Vikings could very easily make it to the Super Bowl this year. Jacksonville could very easily make it to the Super Bowl this year. Obviously, the Bears, San Francisco 49ers, current odds-on favorite. Buffalo Bills, are they going to do it? Joe Burrow, are you going to win a Super Bowl? Have been able to dance before you got your best team? I mean, there is so many things, a lot of football left. Do you know who's not going to make it, Herbie? Who? I don't think the Colts. Probably not. Nah. Not this year. No. Not this year. Not this year, though. Next year, we're going to make it. Next year, them and the Mounties together, they're going to form an alliance. Don't even tell me about the Mountaineers. You know we have the worst defense ever documented? Yeah. So do the Colts. Where's Jeff Castile when you need him? Castile, love him. He's on a golf course, I think. He's retired. He's a legend. We love him. But get back to the Super Bowl. The amount of teams that could win it does feel pretty open right now. And injuries obviously play a huge factor in all of this. Let's just assume no more injuries happen either, Herbie. That lurking costume. Lurking conversation, by the way. Huge one this weekend. Houston and Cleveland. The loser of that one. Probably, you know, not lurking as much anymore. But the winner still has very much chase. So the lurking figures could become a dwindling species on this particular graphic as the weeks roll on. A lot of implications every single Sunday. Go ahead, Herbie. I had two questions. Tone. One for Tone. Tone. Steelers at 6-2. Are they real? Okay. And then. And for Coach, is it. I've been saying Boise for a long time. I've been saying it since Kellen Moore, Jared Zebranski, Ian Johnson. I've covered a lot of great Boise State teams. But boy, was it hit. We got hit over the head on a call Monday, Pat and I. That it's Boise. C. Boise. That's correct, Herbie. Boise. Well, how come the host told us? How should we say it Saturday? Boise. Like, you have to pause like that? Or you can say, welcome to Boise. You don't have to pause. Oh, you did really well. Just make sure it comes. Say it, Coach. Say it like you say it, Coach. Boise. Yeah, but this guy's got a. I mean, we can't be. Boise. Boise. Shut up. Shut up. She. It's Boise. You set me up, Herbie. There's two of them. Boise. She. Like a punching bag in this. No. No. Right. Oh, boo-hoo. Oh, no, no, no. Shut up. But do they get upset? Do they get really upset about that? I. No. No. I mean. They're good people in Boise. You want to go in and you're going to represent your name on the back of your jersey and the decal and your ESPN and all that stuff. But. No. I mean. They've let me stick around and I. It's mostly a Z with me when I've always said it. Boise. But I get corrected by family and stuff. But you guys can do no wrong, Herbie. Okay. But we're going to hear Boise. Like, people are going to be walking around. I'm going to say, man, it's awesome to be in your guys' beautiful city here. What's it called? They'll say, Boise. Like that, Boise? - Perfect. - Boise. - Boise. Because it's a little noisy in here, and it's a little noisy here. Coach, who do we call about going fly fishing? We got you covered. I got a big old yard for Peter, too. I wanted to throw that out for you. So you got a park right downtown. You can take him to the park. You know the green belt. You've been there before, so you can take him on the green belt, or you can bring him over to Pocano State, and we'll put him in a backyard and let him hunt. I love it. I like letting him hunt out there. Listen. Let the boy hunt. We'll let Peter decide if he's going to your house. Okay, you don't just open. You know how many open invites Peter's got at the houses? Everybody wants him to shit in their yard. Everybody wants Peter's shit in their yard. He's hot shit right now. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. You walk around with Peter, it is really like, there he is. Holy shit, that is the duck. Even the people that don't know his name, it's like that's the one right there. We see it every day. He's got four or five different commercials right now. Peter's got more jobs than Kirk. You know that? Yes. He does. He's unbelievable. He just shot an AT&T commercial this week. Shout out. What? Yeah, Peter. Love that. Hey, he's the right dog for it. I would like to let people know he's a dog. He's a good man. He's a good boy. He is a good boy. He looks bow-legged when he runs on that plane. He's kind of bow-legged. He's pigeon-toed. Toes go in. You know, he hit a 4-4 like that. It was pigeon like a mother. Yeah, I think Peter could get that done. I think Peter could get the job done. All right. We appreciate you, Herbie. Good luck tonight. Thank you, boys. We'll see you in Boise. Let's have a game tonight. Here we go. Is it still thundering? Lightning. Oh, my God. Oh. Yeah, there you go. There it is. Perfect timing, I guess. It's brutal. Okay, so it just cut you off completely. Your internet just got cut off completely right there. Oh. Oh. Oh, jeez. You can barely see. Can't see. Wow, this guy, they got some real building. You in the shitty or Hoboken? Yeah, where are you? We're on 50. You don't have to give exactly. That Eastwood? Just, you know. Look at that. The shitty. Kendrick Perkins came on and was like, I was at Jamaica Bay last night. Be there tonight. Be right in the lobby if you want to come see me. Kendrick Perkins, you said? Yeah. Yeah. I was just reminiscing on Perkins. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You got back to Peter, please? Sorry. I thought we were talking about Big Perk right there. Is that a house? Stretch him out. Hey, hey. Stretch him out. He's not a bull-legged, buddy. Hey, hey. Look at that. That's a good dog. Hey. I'll get his butt. He's got bones. Hey, hey, hey. Hey. All right, Peter. You're a good dog, buddy. And look, they were nice. They always do this for him. They get the treats for him. That's nice. Nice bed. Those gluten-free. Is he fit on that thing? Dude, he's paying for all that shit. I mean, Peter's the one paying for all this. He ain't fitting on that thing, Kirk. Oh, yes, he is. Is that? Yeah. He ain't big enough. Oh, yeah. He just said that. Fuck this thing. Where's the couch? He said, good effort, Oto. I need. Yep. Yes. Yep. Go ahead, Peter. Get up there, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. He's tired. That's just been working like a dog. This guy's a giant. He knows how to put on a show, this guy. Well, yesterday, he had AT&T commercial. They had him there for 12, 13 hours. You know how they do these things. Re-shoot, re-shoot, re-shoot, re-shoot. He had an eight-hour shoot on Monday, so he's tired. He's had a long week already. We appreciate Peter working like a dog. A dog. You're the man. You're the best. We'll see you tonight. That's Kirk Herbstreit. See you, boy. Yay! Cool dog, Peter. Watching him grow and mature has been fun. I think he does kind of know that his shit don't stink. I think he does know that. Or not to. But he's not too egotistical about it. But he does certainly sniff around some rear ends. And say, I don't like this one here. And then just keeps it moving. He's a handsome boy. Big boy. And that's the first hour here. As we creep into 115 Eastern. What a first hour on this. Week 10 Thursday kickoff. As Kirk Herbstreit's up. He broke down every aspect of every part of every single thing that could happen tonight. What did we learn? Bad weather. Really bad. We learned that Jayden Daniels ran for 100 last time. They're going to be thinking about keeping him inside. Four eyes on him. Kind of football stuff. We learned from the Giants' perspective. They like Cam Scataboo. They're just thinking, hey, this is part of coaching. This is part of John Harbaugh. And they're a connected locker room. Did you hear anything else that I just missed right there? Turnovers. Commanders are missing two interior linemen. Yep. Yeah, two. Defensive linemen. Offensive line really good. The center's out. Center's out. Injury. Center's out for Washington. Could be a deal. Sound like two of you right there. Trenshish. What? Let's get you a break. The first hour here. We hope you had a good time. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Something nice that could change their life. Take three. 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It takes energy. Visit ItTakesEnergy.com to learn more. He is the absolute greatest. Tonight, week 10 of the NFL season kicks off as the NFC East will host us. Kirk Herbstreit, Al Michaels, and Amazon will be hosting that tonight. 8:15 Eastern. Kickoff show starts at 7:00. And we celebrate another weekend of awesome ball. The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner. I'm Mike Schmidt. Want to have the hammer? Down. Cowboys AP Tony's here. Our coach, 37-year football coach, 19 in the NFL, 18 in college. Coach Pagano is here. Coach, we're heading to Boise tonight. Cannot wait to fly out there. It's a haul. You guys are far away. Yeah, we are. I didn't know that. You still connected to give them the Thursday experience? Yeah, I think we're going to put her down, have her get out, do a couple laps. Get a run. Get back in. You guys were talking about how great the show is, right? Uh-huh. Prime? Oh, yeah. Prime? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I might get to experience that tonight, maybe, right? Oh, because when you're traveling, not a lot of-- I have not seen one episode-- not one show. What do you mean? No Carissa, no Witt, no Richard, no nobody. Nothing. Fitzy. Tony. Tony. You going to go through the whole list now? Let's go. Got to do it. No. Kaylee, Al Michaels. Don't mean to miss everybody. They do-- I've heard they do well. I've heard the games have been awesome. I know my picks have been shite. So I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited for us to watch the game together. I'm excited for us to do that as we fly to the beautiful state of Idaho for College Game Day, 9 o'clock Saturday morning Eastern as we are live as Boise State hosts Oregon State. Cannot wait to see how the scene is there. From our understanding, we've been told that this is going to be awesome. We've gone to some places in the past that hadn't had game day in a while. And the atmosphere and environment is normally pretty ludicrous. A football town hosting College Game Day this weekend. For first time, long time, we are very eager and excited to see how you guys do it. Joining us now from an attic in Ohio is a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Yeah. How are you doing, Hawk-o? I'm doing great. It was good to see-- Kirk came on here. He was really like putting everybody's feet to the fire, wanting predictions, like multiple different things, I feel like. Yeah, I think he wanted to do his. So he didn't want to do it all by himself. I think he wanted everybody else to kind of jump in there with him. Now, since he's not on here, and I know he's potentially watching, you need to give yours as well. Who's college football? I knew you'd say that, but yeah. So then you have it prepared. Come on. No, I didn't have it prepared. I realized when Kirk was doing this, like when he was doing it, I thought like, wow, this is-- was this a mandate someone gave him to make sure everyone gets predictions out today? It might have been a Herbstreet mandate. We kind of were experiencing it in real time. You won't give a college football playoff national championship because Ohio State probably don't make it. Oh, no. Hey, hopes are still alive. They may be slim, but they're still alive. I like that there's still hope over there, because from our understanding of how the Ohio State Buckeye fans operate, whenever there is a little bit of gloomy days, it gets really loud. Maybe they're able to get back on track. OK, you won't give us college football playoff national championship because you hate Kirk Herbstreet. That's interesting. Both of you guys are Centerville Elks. How about you give us a Super Bowl then, A.J.? Go ahead and go to the NFL. It's a mandate from the Herbstreet. Who's going to be playing in the Super Bowl? Maybe your Packers. OK, yeah, I'll fall into the peer pressure. Give me the Green Bay Packers against the Buffalo Bills. I already said that. Yeah, I know you did. I'm co-signing Ty. I've been big on the Bills for a long time now, and the Packers are starting to put it together. And Mike is about to be thrust into the lineup. OK, so you're OK making predictions way too early? It could change at any time, though. You know that. And if Ohio State had one loss, you know, I'm sure he would be able to give you a national championship there, too. And I do respect and appreciate that. And I hope Denzel Washington nails it whenever he plays you and our movie later in life. We're running out of time, man. We need it. We need to make it happen. Since you were how old did you think it should be, Denzel? Five. Five. like did you write it down was there something no it's all boom was that training is that training day or when you're how he was very good at training day but i mean denzel has not he he's been unbelievable in every movie he's ever been that was probably more philadelphia probably philadelphia okay if denzel is signing up for it i think we all agree it's going to be good for sure hey that's just kind of our natural reaction for denzel washington is like if he's in it he's going to be awesome and he's going to be a badass and we appreciate what he has done in so many different countries and in so many different situations in these movies he's the best uh it's also like tom cruise why everybody say digger was bad they're already starting to come back around on that it's good isn't it it's gonna end up being like a cult classic yeah and especially everybody in the industry is like everyone bitches about you don't want you all you want is an original movie because all they do is superhero movies and they make an original one and everyone shits on it and says it sucks it's like well what do you think studios are going to do now then they're never going to make a movie like this again but it's starting to come back around everyone's saying tom cruise is unbelievable in this like maybe people kind of miss the mark miss the point of of what would the people be uh critics a lot of critics what are they what are the critics normally who who are normally the critics like what what group like that's uh its own genre of people because what it used to be cisco and ebert yeah two thumbs up what do they not like about the movie i guess what are people saying is bad the critics right are saying this not everybody yeah not a lot of the stuff i've read is that it's just like kind of thrown together it like feels like it's just very like sloppily made and like you know they're really going for satire but it's like it's it almost makes no sense it feels very jumbled um and they're like artsy isn't it isn't it shot kind of differently but then wouldn't the critics like that they normally would but i'm guessing they don't like whatever the subject matter is oh so aj knows the answer it sounds like age i haven't seen the movie and i haven't done much research on it but i would assume there's a lot of personal feelings involved okay we don't like that maybe we should put our own personal feelings uh aside and just go watch digger and see i don't think the audience score was super high either 77 which is not terrible is that good that's that's typically not tc you know that's that's pretty low for tc standard whatever the case we need to watch it in here we need to get that they're gonna is this gonna tarnish his legacy no never that's not even i love him i love what he still might get nominated for an oscar fight down charlotte why do you do that now when comes to tc i know you wanted to just get that that shot off right there i know you're not trying to do nothing what does he have against tom uh love tom let's see here's some of the reactions this is no we're not getting into this i'm not reading this no way let's move come back around all right good i will watch it i will love it i will appreciate it just like i will respect the hell out of however denzel washington portrays you in the inevitable movie about your life aj you're the best you know what isn't the best when your team uh trades for somebody and you get excited it's announced and then the trade just falls through there's been a lot of these recently more so than i can kind of remember and we are younger in this game even though we've been doing it for damn near a decade at this point but it feels like there's a lot more incomplete trades these days than there has been in the past and we only put quotations around these things because this is what is being said by others in the building not us misunderstanding for the cincinnati bangles uh backing out of that trade was allegedly discovered via a tweet from one a bangles fan who works for who's the bangles fan who works over the cab there so this bangles fan allegedly puts a post on x that says like hey there's a compensatory pick that's gonna have to happen allegedly bangles see it after already agreeing to trade but i guess not completely signing trade into actuality and they go that's on us that's what we're gonna be giving that up too we can't be doing that we are it's a misunderstanding we are we are so sorry we didn't know that was the case zach came out and said we got to know that like that's something that we just completely got wrong so shout out to nick corti here on x and i think i guess nick corti has helped them in the past on x with another situation where they were owed something uh maybe like 2023 and they see it from him and they get it so nick corti who works for over the cap also known advisor and fixer for the cincinnati bangles through his x account and zach does that's on us that's on us but we did catch it before so we actually had to so better late than never i guess and then the failed physical conversation is one that's so interesting and diane henley uh was traded from the chargers and we all thought it was very fascinating because it was in the division uh harbaugh said he was staying put we couldn't have expected this and then a a failed physical conversation and we all thought it was very fascinating because it was in the division you can go all the way back to max crosby going all the way to baltimore when he was traded from the raiders one of the biggest trades we've seen in football history of football you're talking a guy who is very well respected all pro pro bowl the face of the raiders uh just an absolute stud a man is going to be a hall of famer someday he gets traded holy hell this is crazy goes to baltimore he's in the building he's in the building he's in the building he's in the building hearing about it talking about it what are the raiders now they're making a bunch of moves they're in a transition phase moving on from the old max crosby's out he's gone and then there's a failed physical of some sort and crosby is back on the raiders actually he was in the ravens but they moved on we celebrated him we thanked him we did the entire celebration he's back on the raiders now because it failed physical and the thing that's interesting about failed physicals is i don't think we ever get like full explanation of the diagnosis it's always just like we saw we saw something there it's degenerative from our doctor's eyes and it's subjective right pat would you is it subjective so some one doctor could clear you and the other team of doctors could say no you fail yes and you can maybe have a specialist who sees something different than all the other doctors and they see something and i'm not saying it's ever like buyer's remorse or regret or once you meet the person and this might actually be an actual failed physical and if it is a failed physical then teams that sent the player to the other team are kind of doing the other team pretty dirty yeah so anytime a failed physical comes back it's always got to be like this because you don't know the severity of the failed physical because how you can fail these physicals is very um the range is huge in two years from now we didn't know that his elbow could potentially have a degenerative arthritic thing where he's not gonna be able to move our doctor saw that so that's a little bit different we do not pass him in this particular case chuck you've been in the nfl 19 years obviously as a head coach a lot of these conversations a lot of trades happen the failed physical thing pops up what what is the player we just saw him probably will play again and then that team that's getting him they just saw something different they didn't expect it like when why does that normally happen here yeah you hope that's the case but like aj said it is subjective how they see a mri how they read a cat scan um yeah i we were never privy we got the doctor's reports and it wasn't like okay hey look we found out something different hey we need to go in and this thing probably shouldn't work we need to kill the trade we need to kill this thing and and i don't think that knee i don't think that shoulder i don't think that elbow is going to be all right you know and then we move down we move on down and take trey hendrickson whatever that was you know i don't but you have to be held those doctors got to be held accountable they're going to go to them and double triple check those guys too and say okay what exactly did you see is there that kind of accountability on their part i don't know it's just weird whenever we hear about it we celebrate it the team makes a big thing i mean the charge of social phenomenal work oh yeah hey welcome back good to see you thank you for everything hey welcome back actually scratch out the thank you to a welcome back it has been happening the max crosby thing bizarre in the middle of the season with a guy that's playing also bizarre con man well and one of the things i always think about is when we had brett veach on for the kansas city chiefs the general manager and he mentioned how he had doctor's reports and he said i don't know what to do with that i don't know what to do with that tell him basically like hey don't draft trey smith because trey smith had a knee injury in college and they thought in their heads or at least from their examinations like hey this guy's not gonna be able to play for that very long and obviously now we are multiple years he's won multiple super bowls he's a multiple time all pro guard for the chiefs one of their stalwarts on the offensive line and if that general manager were to listen to the couple doctors who told him he wasn't able to play they might never have him or they definitely wouldn't ever have him so just like that like the fact that it is subjective is crazy to me it's very similar like refereeing like how can one ref think this is a pass interference and then another ref think it's not and the same thing happening with medical stuff is crazy to me so crazy situation i bet the chargers are kind of happy like you wonder if you trade a guy within the division and then you as soon as that goes through you're like shit i wish we didn't do that and now he's back yeah the differing opinion from doctors is fascinating especially whenever it controls uh i don't know millions and millions of dollars of moves overnight basically if they want to do it legendary tale is uh coach saban when he was down there at the dolphins thought for sure he's getting drew breeze this is before drew breeze goes to the saints he's leaving the chargers uh nick saban is down at the dolphins drew breeze is going to be his quarterback and i think coach saban will say all right we're in a good spot we got a guy doctors fail them uh say can't play quarterback for the dolphins it would not be a good investment coach saban allegedly says who has the the doctors or the football who has more say they signed dante culpepper who maybe had a little bit of a knee but it wasn't a throwing thing and then you know it didn't work out and now then he becomes head coach of alabama but if the doctor would have passed drew breeze like the saints doctor passed Drew Brees to get traded over there. I mean, Saban maybe never leaves the Miami Dolphins. He might just be NFL guy. Bill Belichick. Yeah. Went five or six. Drew Brees told that story in the Saban doc, basically saying, like, while they were on the phone, Drew Brees said, Coach, you really think I'm never going to play again? And Coach Saban was like, it's not about what I think. It's about what I'm being told from the doctors. Like, that was the conversation they aired in the doc. So, like, even that aspect of it, where even if Coach Saban thought, hey, this guy's going to be MVP, Super Bowl champion, he basically wasn't allowed to do it. Yeah, the doctors overwrote. And to the mega-rich owners, who are you going to believe, football coach? Or are you going to believe the super doctor that you have hired to do the examinations? And the doctors know they have that. The doctors know they have that particular power. They know that they wield that type of stuff. You just got to hope that, I guess, the doctors know that they have that particular power. I guess the doctors agree with the trade you're making. And where do you think they're going to err? Sorry. Caution. Caution. So, it's like the people we always thought we were going to get such and such back? Oh, no. The guy says, I'm fine. Nope. So, they're going to err on the side of caution. So, they're not going to be the ones. Yeah, but some people are going to err on the side of more caution, it feels like, because they just – What's their track record, too, though? Super geniuses? How many times have those guys been like, no? You know, can't do this. And then you see the guys play, and it's like – Well, they ain't going to be around long, if that's the case. Well, Drew Brees, for instance, down there in Miami. Yeah, yeah. Did that doctor – did he have to come out and tell the Dolphins fans? So, on the scan I saw, you could see – no, there's no accountability. That doctor probably never is going to have to talk. And Coach Saban still thinks that that guy or woman, you ruined it. You absolutely ruined it down there for me. But he's the greatest college football coach of all time. There's some things that happen. There's some things that happen in these doctor rooms, you know, in these physicals that you look at and you say, What the Chuck? Coach, let's look at week nine of the NFL season, week 10 of college ball. What had you saying? What the Chuck's going on out here, Coach? Well, I think we all were saying Chuck was going on in college football. Let's start there with Miami and Notre Dame. Now, this has been talked about ad nauseum. I don't want to beat a dead horse with this thing. It sounds like that's what we're doing. That's exactly what we're doing. But you're going to. But we're going to. Okay? So, we can educate everybody in the Thunderdome. Would love that. And all our viewers. I think everybody knows the process of a catch. There's three things that you've got to – right? There's three things that's got to happen. Okay. So, first one is what? Control. Possession. Plus two. Okay. One in college. It's one. Yep. Okay. So, you've got to control. Plus two. Plus time. That's how they used to say it. Right? The time element is to perform a football act. Move. Yeah, act. Or a football move. Right? Yeah. So, in this case, Lofton goes up. Boom. Does he have control? Do we all agree? Yes. Does he have more than one down? Yes. Then all of a sudden, he's got two down, right? Uh-huh. And. Another one. Does he have enough time? Does he meet the final requirement? Does he meet the final requirement, okay, to perform a football act? I mean. The problem here. It starts to bobble. I guess not. A little bit. Okay. So, there's a. But. Super slow-mo, maybe. Let's run it. Let's run. Bingo. Let's run it full speed. That's my job. Run it full speed. Let's go. Just run it full speed. Mensa. Shaking. Baking. Gets out of the pocket. 31-24 in the fourth. Here's Lofton. Touchdown. No. Oh. And. So, when you slow this thing down, all right, when you slow it down, it's easy to dissect this thing and say, okay, he never had enough time. He didn't perform a football act. Okay. All right. And we're going to call it incomplete. Uh-huh. But he has control. He turns. He brings the thing down to his waist. All right. He's got two feet in control. He brings it to his waist. Then the arm comes in and pops the thing out. This is a completion. Oh. And I don't know. I don't know. Can you imagine? We all know. We all know what Mario was saying, right? Oh, yeah. What do you think he was saying? Still saying. What the Chuck? I don't know if everybody agrees with you, though. I don't know. That's not what you were saying this morning. What are you talking about? What's wrong with you? What was he saying this morning? He was saying he's clear in completion. Yeah, because, you know, the time element. No, it's the time thing. So, when you slow this thing down to, like, the milliseconds that we're slowing this thing down, then you're like, there's no time. There's no time. There's no time. There's no time. Okay, I get it. We can dissect this thing and say, boom, we're slowing it down. The ball starts to move right there. Now, the thing comes out, and it looks like an incompletion. But in real time, that isn't the case. Real time, he took three steps. Boom. You only need one. Foot down. Boom. Enough time to bring it. Is this a football move? Is that enough time for a football move? Hey, where'd you coach? Before that ball comes out. Where'd you coach in college? At Boise, obviously. You coach there. Everybody knows I spent seven years. I coached down there. In Miami? So you feel like the boys maybe got screwed a little bit? A little bamboozled? I just think that we have to be really smart with replay and how we look at these things. And we want to just get it right. How come Lofton didn't? We want to get it right so the fans, the coaches, and Mario aren't all saying, What the Chuck? He and AJ had the same thing. How come Lofton didn't fight for it? He acted like, hey, that was not a completion. He's a disciplined player. Okay. And don't you always say that? He's not a ham. He's very humble. He's very humble. He's just doing his job. He's not a ham. He's got a touchdown. He's not going to itch and moan. I got this, baby. Don't you always say that, you know, like these refs, they got a tough job out there. It's hard to do. That guy's standing right there. You know? And he, I mean, he. He said in real time. He's not looking in slow motion. He saw the bobble in real time. And he said, hey, can you guys go to replay and help me out with this, please? This has been pretty hot in the streets. Yeah. So let's just hope that maybe these two, we'd love to see a rematch, right? For the national championship. Maybe. Maybe. Let's keep them going. Maybe we get the replay. Georgia Bulldogs is going to be tough, I think. But it's a great, it's a fascinating conversation to have. Yeah. You know? And it has a lot of people out there saying, what the chuck? And hear Gumpy say, it feels like Gumpy's giving up. Let's go. Oh, great. Let's stay in the state of Indiana. So here, you got 28 seconds left in the second quarter. It's end of half. Critical situation, right? Guy's got to be great. Washington's got to be better tonight, right? They've been not so good in the end of half, end of game situations. So the clock's running here. They just got a first down, all right? And the clock's running. Run it back, Foxy, please. So the clock's running. They're trying to get lined up. He's pointing. He's pointing. These two obviously don't get on the same page. And the best player, all right? The number one target, the best player on the Dallas Cowboys is who? CeeDee Lamb. CeeDee Lamb. And I think he went for a crap load, right? Shite load of yards against. And the. These two just can't be. Okay, are we playing two or are we playing quarters? Are you deep? Am I deep? Am I supposed to have this? You don't think this had Carly saying, What the Chuck? Because we got a ball game. It's a 10-7. It's 10-7, Pat. Yeah, we were there. There's a lot of Cowboys fans. I know you were in the loud house. It's 10-7. 22 seconds. Just don't let the ball get. What do we used to tell the DBs, especially in these situations? You're playing Jordan Love. Get the what? F back. Get the. No. G-T-C-B. Oh, I'm sorry. Get the Chuck back. Yeah, you're right. Instead of. Keep it in front of. Yes. Yeah, G-T-C-B. You're right. Get the Chuck back. Get the Chuck back. Yeah, that was good. Get the Chuck back. Hey, that was pretty good. This can't happen. Yeah, it can't happen. This can't happen. Yeah, it had everybody in the loud house that was wearing Colts colors, which was not the majority at the home game, saying, What the Chuck? Okay, what do we. It's too easy. Too easy. What do we got next? I'll tell you what we got. Oh, man. Mall for celebrations. I used to. You can attest to this, right? Have a plan. D-Butts talks about it all the time. In team meetings, I'd devote five, six, seven minutes sometimes, right? We'd have a little. Hey, have a plan. Ty, you're going to get in the end zone, right? This weekend. You're going to get in the end zone. Have a plan. Don't get in there and not have a plan. Drop the ball at your first touchdown. You lose your first touchdown. Have a plan. Get a dance ready. I don't give a shit. Choreo. We're going to have fun. I had a magic trick I brought with me. Yeah. I had a plan. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to do it all. Yeah. Gained zero. Fumbled a ball. I'm all for it. I think I was down. But you. As long as it doesn't cost us. We're good. and cost your team and doesn't get us 15 yards or whatever. Well, if he was kicking a 60-yard extra point, yeah, I was probably going to get it for that thing. But I'd never been there before, so we're going to have to do that on Christmas Eve. But you were a very big celebrate. You're not the only one. Bill Belichick, one of the most hard-nosed coaches in the history, accountability, do your job. He would show film of teams celebrating and saying, look what this is doing to this other team. Look what you guys look. Look what you guys look like versus what they look like. It is a strategy to be happy for each other whenever something good happens. And you were a big, big, big proponent of that as well, Chuck. Love that. Yeah. Love that. So, JT fumbles, right? Dallas gets on that thing. Sure. They pick it up. All right? They get possession. He gets tagged down. But what does everybody do? They go where? Come on. Let's go. Let's go. We go in the end zone. Let's go, right? So, two players were in the end zone. Two players were inactive, right? Overshown? Overshown? And Joey Porter, right? And, George? Joey's smart enough, right? He got the same gear on. Joey does. But he's over there on the sideline because you're not allowed, Pat, in any league, right, at any level, to run your ass on the food without gear. Look at it with Shade. Yeah, he looks good. Yeah. He's going to get this thing. Uh-huh. And he's looking back. Look at him right there. Yeah. Yeah, got his shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. He got caught up in the moment, though. That's a big play. He got caught up in the moment. That's a big play. And guess what happened? What's that? The flag came out. Oh, no. Right? Flag comes out. Let's mark off 15 yards. Unsportsmanlike. The beauty of it was the official said, somebody in a blue sweatsuit with a hat on and shades came on the field and he's not supposed to be out here. And it had Shoddy, I assume, saying, What the Chuck? I will say, though, it was hard not to get caught up in the vibes if you're a Cowboys fan or player in the Loud House because they were a majority of the place. And Overshawn's seen this before. You know, as head coaches, we show all the bad stuff, right? Hey, look, this cost this team 15 yards. Let's not do this. Look at this clown. Oh, this is Vern Hargraves, Jr. You know who else coached at University of Miami back in the day with Coach Pagano? Who's that? Vern Hargraves, Sr. Wow. So I knew this kid when he was this big. Just a young, just a young old. And so he's obviously inactive. And something good happens for the, for Bengals, and here he comes. Come on. You know Shoddy, you know Shoddy and them said, when he got in the meeting and said, Hey, Overshawn, didn't I show you this thing? And then he said, What the Chuck? I do remember that in the Super Bowl. That was such a good conversation. He was so excited. It was for a world title. In his slides on the sideline. First of all, it's Super Bowl gangster move. I appreciate that he did that. Coming onto the field to celebrate with the lads, even better. And a towel to wave attention to yourself. You know, like, hey, look at me. Look at me. I'm in this thing. We're in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl moves to the front of the crowd. You know, just get a good shot. Because he was super lit. And that was a celebratory moment for sure for the Bengals. What year was this? 2021. That's a Jesse Bates interception. Jesse Bates still doing it. So the Gritty was alive and well back then? Yeah. 2019 National Championship. Yeah. The LSU team. LSU. LSU. LSU. LSU. That's right. Okay, so we know not to go on the field anymore. Or if you do, all you'll hear is, What the Chuck? Commanders tonight. Okay, so we got the Commanders tonight. We know they struggled end of game, end of half situations, right? The first 2027 tie, week five, Giants and Washington, right? Had the debacle at the end of the game. The debacle, yeah. It was a debacle. It was a debacle. It had a lot of those guys saying on that one, What the Chuck? And let's get this thing fixed. So we got eight seconds. Washington has no timeouts, right? Where does this ball have to go? End zone. End zone. So he's, and I guess he's, Imagine if he had timeouts. I'm going to get it to his playmaker. They've got some receivers down, but they do have digs. These guys are playing Mutt Patrol. You know what Mutt Patrol is? Yeah. Three-man rush, five underneath man, three deep. Oh, okay. Right? But usually on two deep, five under man, you play inside leverage. Okay, yeah, of course. This one you play outside leverage to protect what? Because you've got no timeout. The shy lines. The shy lines. Okay, so they're playing Mutt Patrol. And we don't get the ball like he thinks he's going to catch it. Not get tackled and get a touchdown. All right, so that's incomplete. Now we've got three seconds. No timeouts. No timeouts. Down seven. Down seven. And you're at what yard line? 32. The plus 32 yard. Where do most of these Hail Marys come from? You're at your own 50, your own 45 yard line, right? Yeah. We're at the. 32. Yeah. Actually, good play call. Good ball. Breaks the tackle. He's going to score, Chuck. So we, and I don't know if there was a miss. I don't know. I don't know if it's a miscommunication. I don't know. You know, they interviewed Jaden, JD after the game and, you know, him and Blower trying to get on the same page with all this stuff. You know, rugby play. Are you, are we running a rugby play? What are they doing on this? Does David Blod know how much time's left? I don't think they. Does David Blod know that it's a seven point game? Does Jaden Daniels know they have no timeouts left? Was he running down a spike that or get the pitch? No, I guarantee you that they communicated and they talked. I don't know what happens. Maybe they saw, maybe they saw everybody at the line of scrimmage. They didn't think they were going to have time to get the thing down the field. Maybe. But get yourself lined up in a trips wide formation, right? Oh, actually he kind of takes off after he throws it. I think he was maybe thinking. Spiking it. No, I think he might've been thinking, hey, you know, we might do a little hook and ladder. I mean, and he trails them down there and then he gets in front of them where he can't get lateral. He kind of goes into a no man's zone, but was he sprinting to spike it first? Or do you think he was getting in trail position for that rock? I think trail position. I think it was. I think it was. I think it was like, okay, I just threw it to Okonkwo. Because the clock's out. Right. And we have no time left and nobody got the play call, but me and this guy. And I don't have anybody to flip this thing to, to run the rugby play. Seriously. Now he's going to hustle down there and try to write this thing. But can you imagine. There's another slant. This isn't like a, this can't, I mean. No, this is terrible. This is real. This makes you go. What the Chuck. And is he showing this for our picks for later? Because you watch. If you watch something like this, it's going to be hard, especially with what we've already seen this season. This is the only, we've talked about a lot of great stuff. Right. And Dan Quinn, to his credit, he just keeps diving on the sword after sword after sword after sword. Like the guy's still bleeding. Taking care of his people. Because that's the man that he is. That's the type of coach that he is. Yeah, he fired every single assistant coach this offseason. Who did? It kind of is on him. Dan Quinn. See, we don't know that. Yeah, well, I do though. Didn't they move on from OC and DC? Sometimes these decisions come from somewhere else. Oh. Okay, so it wasn't Dan saying we've got to change everything. You don't know. Nobody knows. Okay, got it. But it is an O and new DC in there. So Dan Quinn is taking the fall for his lads, which I respect and appreciate. But there's been some decisions here at the end of these games that make you go. What the Chuck. Good work, Chuck. Come on. Unbelievable stuff. Thank you, Charlie, regardless. Did they fire your brother from Washington? Did that happen? Did that happen? There's two microphones. I got two phones. One for a Pagano. One for my brother. One for my bro. Johnny's still there. Oh, nice. Wow. I didn't know that. They got a Pagano in the building. Johnny be good. That's why he was talking so good about the turnover. Ah. Isn't he responsible for offensive time management or? John Uch. We call him John Uch growing up. John Uch regardless. John Uch. Put him in a little bit of a spot there, John. Yeah. John Uch tonight. We'll see if his brother Chuck Uch. He coaches the edges. Oh, they're crushing. Yeah. They're doing a great job. A lot of turnovers, too. I mean, that's good news. Durante is a good coach in New D.C. Yeah. That you mentioned. Yeah. Like him. Aggressive. Yeah. He's a B-flow. We talked about him, right? Oh, that's it. From that tree. Yeah, so he's going to bring a lot of pressure. Him and John Uch. Let's talk about B-flow a little bit. Fernando Mendoza. He's now the starting quarterback because Kirk Cousins goes back to Minnesota. Fernando Mendoza opened up his press conference thanking Kirk and his family for taking him in, basically adopting him for his entire time there. That worked out perfectly, doesn't it? And with everything that Fernando's saying about what he learned, about, you know, watching Kirk, obviously getting to experience what it is in an NFL building. They have some wins. They have some losses. He's had some adversity. He's now got a chance to see how everybody battles through. I'm excited for Fernando to get started, AJ. Like, legitimately pumped for a tough start. Tough. Tough, tough start with the defenses he'll be playing. But I guess drop his ass in a deep end and see how it goes. Feels like he might be prepared to swim, though, with the way he's been talking and what we know of him. Yeah, it feels like it's time, doesn't it? I mean, Fernando, we know he's got in there at spot duty here and there and played all right. I think it's time to turn the team over to him. And I don't know if anyone would have predicted this is how it would have played out, like, if you go back to this past offseason or training camp. But, man, it does seem to be, like, a perfect, little thing for everybody involved. You know, Fernando gets to sit behind Kirk, learn kind of the ways, and he still gets to go in there and get a chance to, I guess, you know, find a way possibly to get into the playoffs with this Raiders team if he can go on a run. Seattle, Denver, Cleveland, then Chargers, Denver, Tennessee, Arizona, Kansas City. And obviously, you would want a better start other than Seattle's defense and then Denver's defense. And let's go ahead and give you Cleveland's defense right afterwards at Cleveland, which is a different place than whenever Cleveland's on the road. But is there ever? It's going to be a perfect position in the NFL to drop somebody into. Every team is going to have at least somewhat of a good defense. And if they don't have an elite defense this week, next week you're going to be running into one. So, Fernando gets a shot here to potentially win Offensive Rookie of the Year as he is the quarterback of a team that might make it into the playoffs if they're able to get hot and win some very difficult games. And the Raiders get a third-round pick. They also only had to spend, like, $650,000. This feels like a perfect situation for all parties. Would you want Kirk behind Fernando, though, as Fernando? Would you want Fernando to get started just in case all hell breaks loose, Coach? I mean, that would be great. But think about when Andrew came in 2012. Think about the team that you were on, Pat. Think about all the guys that blow up after the 2011 season. Rookie head coach, rookie GM, right? Rookie quarterback. The roster, like, everybody was gone, right? Remember that first team meeting? So, Andrew comes in. We're like, okay, do we need to sit him down? You've talked ad nauseum about, God, I wish Peyton would still be here. I wish he had a chance. chance to sit behind him. i bring this up just because i think there's a lot of similarities between like andrew was a really good quarterback i mean he could have been probably a hall of famer right fernando's big he's got the metrics right he's got size he's got strength he's got arm talent he's got a big ass brain is whatever right so he's going to be able to figure it out he's going to be able to physically handle some of the punishment that comes some sack whatever some hits just like andrew did and he and he's he can process he's learned from kirk for that amount of time on on how to deal with things they'll be smart with him they're going to hand the ball off he'll get the ball out of his hand he's going to be able to he's athletic enough which we saw in the championship game or whatever game that was triple jumping in like andrew did against kansas city yep so he's got some similarities there so the hey when do you play like mahomes had the luxury right behind alex smith for three years or whatever it was one year 16 games was it one year yeah he played the last game i think like three jordan love i think it was yeah jordan love sat behind aaron for three years gotcha aaron sat behind brett for multiple years tom sat behind uh drew bledsoe for a bit so there's a lot of those stories yes andrew luck getting dropped into the fire immediately and i think what you were going to say is what what i've referenced is these guys who are really smart have a lot of expectations of themselves are very good at football like to learn okay you like to be a sponge you like to do it all i think if andrew could have watched peyton manning be a quarterback in the building not just on the field because at vastly different styles andrew was a freak athlete on the ground could make all the throws as well just different players but if he could have watched peyton manning manage the building and manage his room and manage the locker room and manage everything i think that would have been very beneficial to andrew learning that immediately as opposed to andrew having to learn that through his own experiences which takes a couple of years i am a huge proponent of getting to watch somebody who's really good at what they do and trying to learn from it in real time i think that would have i got to do it with vinnie even though it was a different position i was still expected to perform but i do believe that if andrew had that opportunity and this is not a knock on andrew it's not on it and you guys had to make a decision colts had to make a decision whatever the case is but if he could have watched peyton for one year just be like i don't like that i don't like that i like that we're going to do more of this this is the expectation i'm going to do this meeting on this time we're going to do this on this time that just i think that is a um what's that in sonic where they hop on the fast moving escalator like a speed burst like booze yeah i think that is a a boost that would be a boost i think in development and i think fernando potentially got that from kirk which i think is what you're alluding to yeah the whole part about being a pro how to be a pro on the day-to-day i think the biggest point you brought up is like accountability and leadership like we saw andrew grow into that right because he's humble and he wasn't going to say anything until he earned everybody's strike he didn't care if he was the number one player picked in that draft he had to go he was going to go prove it before he was going to say anything and i think that's where we have to grow leaders we try to grow leaders we try to grow leaders we try to get more out of them that way and i think he grew into that role in the locker room where you'd hold guys accountable you remember when we went over overseas to play and we got beat by jacksonville after that game like he went he finally felt like okay i've done enough i've earned enough stripes to be able to say what i'm about to say and then hey look we got to get on top of our stuff boom boom boom boom boom right yeah it was great it was great to watch that happen and kind of have that breakthrough uh and it's his responsibility to be able to say what i'm about to say i think it's his responsibility to be able to say what i'm about to say and i think it's his responsibility to be able to say what i'm about to say and i think it's his responsibility for football is inevitably why he was a little bit different whenever he was younger because like i haven't earned anything adam venetieri here this guy was kicking for the amsterdam admirals whenever i was just a child he should be the one we got uh dwight franey was still there robert matt like the guys that were there i think he held him in such high regard i should not be the one speaking but if you would watch peyton i think it would have been quick to know you're speaking everywhere brother what we're eating matters we'll see you tomorrow from boise goodbye okay great scent that was one of our worst yeah but that is like actually and i don't know if andrew would have immediately just been exactly like peyton because i think they're very different personalities but i think him getting a chance to like see what's allowed like what a quarterback is allowed to do and what is expected of a quarterback like hey like if you don't like the food or the boys don't like the food that we're eating you go change that shit if the boys if you don't like the way our schedule is if you think the schedule would behoove the players yourself differently you have a say you're the fucking starting quarterback of this team bro we're gonna go how you go if you like a player more than you like another player at a certain position like if a guy is your roommate and we are looking for that particular position and he's on the team like say it hey i would like him out there i am comfortable with that guy as opposed to waiting for somebody else to make that decision then when that person gets on the field they have 10 receptions on third down it's always like hey you could have fucking said this immediately offensive line you don't like this guy you like this guy you say it like these are things that i think he didn't want to do to your point because he felt like it was disrespectful like i'm a quarterback here i'm just quarterback and it's like no bro you're a seat it all runs through you it all runs through the quarterback we know that like a great head coach wants his quarterback to take control of the team and i think great quarterbacks that hold everybody accountable like they keep like you don't want to let them down they're like a father not a father figure but they're like someone where i need to i don't want i don't want our quarterback walking through our walkthrough on defense and seeing that we're jacking around and we're not we're not focused or we're not ready like you look at them almost like another coach and you i think they all they're run through a quarterback like that i think we old now granted i was very lucky that i got to see peyton i think peyton was probably the most in the history of quarterbacks in the nfl in that particular world because that's his natural um personality i think is to be a leader and to be somebody that is attention uh attentive to detail and he'll send a thousand emails now in his current life i mean that is like who he is as a person so we're not expecting everybody to be like the sheriff was but that quarterback position you have to be you're the how you go we go and uh it's very hard to not be a super alpha you know leader i guess would be the style and have success at that particular role in this particular sport from our our perspective type a sorry like type a detail oriented every single thing matters but also it's very tough because you gotta you gotta prove it on the field because if you don't you don't play well on the field guys are not going to listen to any of that when it comes to like the day-to-day stuff but you have to also you gotta be that you gotta be in charge and be holding everybody accountable because you hold yourself to such a high standard but you gotta be one of the guys too like it's a fine mixture it's really tough to do yeah you gotta be able to politic you gotta be able to lobby you gotta be able to uh socialize real you gotta be real and authentic too that's for sure you gotta social gotta be authentic you gotta be able to lead you gotta be able to take it on the shins you gotta be able to take a stand it's like that's why we say it's the hardest and then you gotta perform yeah you gotta be good too the hardest part about it yeah a lot of people don't want to be in that because they have to be the first in they have to be the last out they have to outwork everybody because you're not going to listen to aj's point you're not going to listen to anybody that's not putting in the work and doesn't do it on the football field they're gonna it's gonna fall on deaf ear what shut up you want to break down this thing break down this huddle and they start talking and the more they talk the worse it gets it's oh jesus christ yeah that's why whenever we point out some things that quarterbacks are doing on this particular show we might view it from a judge's views talent as the only thing that matters because at that position this isn't a video game it's a human business and uh you got to be the best human we got at that particular role which is why everything kirk cousins is saying man this is a movie hey this is this has very i love that video i love that two and a half three minutes of him going back to his old squad it's awesome man and uh hey we miss you man we love you dude everybody from the quarterback to the trainer everybody everybody that tells everything i think so like one thousand percent i mean coach obviously koc getting into it but uh trainer doctors assistant coaches long snapper corner uh wide receiver running back the quarterback currently hey man they fucking love you everything i that was awesome they're just comparing me to you the whole time d tackle obviously they're the competitor and that he is the player is the performance the stuff he did on the field but probably he's beloved throughout the building because how he treated everybody and how he connected with everybody and how he respected everybody and respected the game the only thing i don't like is that tuesday thing where he what was it quarterback i didn't like that he just takes it off he takes the day off he just takes the day completely off phone off sensors on head well that's where we get the grandma uh blankets down in the basement we're doing the thing and the thing and i think what he said was just like i i'm not good at building but the way i heard it was because he said i'm taking the whole day off i just i don't think he had to tell anybody that i don't think i should know that sure definitely did it affect his play that's quarterback i mean you can just kind of hold it over his head what you hold over everybody's head i guess but come back to it yeah one bad game that's what i'm saying like we i don't think we should have been told that i don't think that because it did get kind of held against him anytime he didn't have success on that note feels like everywhere he goes people love him fernando talks about how uncomfortable that situation could have been but instead it was a complete opposite and now kevin o'connell has to prove he can still call plays it's true right yeah yeah and that kind of what same guy you got the same quarterback that you had a lot of success with better team now there's a lot of questions about kevin o'connell and the minnesota vikings offense as a whole not just carson wentz which was obviously not great the record and uh the stats and the amount of touchdowns and the points scored for a team that has as good a record as they have at this stage it's like unbelievably woeful Like, if you were to tell the NFL Stats Department what's going on, happening or going into the season what it would be for a Kevin O'Connell that offense everybody on earth would be very surprised and shocked and say that's not actually possible with how inept the offense has been with how good the defense has been now they have a chance to really go for it with Kirk Cousins and are we talking Kirk Cousins win a Super Bowl oh that'd be awesome that would be awesome for Kirk Cousins to be able to do that and at least the NFC North would be representing yeah I mean we'll see you know the Vikings have never won a Super Bowl but that would be a storybook run but I think KOC like if you know and this obviously helps quite a bit like if they don't make the playoffs or if this thing kind of nosedives a little bit like he's gonna get fired he like this is kind of uh hey we've given you all these opportunities and for the longest time everyone kind of just made all these excuses for you because you have been good but like there are no excuses anymore you know with how good that defense is like they need to turn things back on right now otherwise I think you know I think it's going to be a storybook run but I think KOC like if they don't make the playoffs or if this thing kind of nosedives a little bit like he's going to get fired he like this is kind of his name is going to start getting floated around with his seat getting very very hot you know I think so too you got a GM and head coach that are on different timelines too because they got a brand new one in there right yeah Nolan Tisley all right let's get to a break hey we got some real shit popping around this NFL yeah we do there's some shite too popping off there is a couple really good games this weekend and a couple of very shitty games is there one well last last week there was no games under three and a half points spread uh this week there's five under three and a half and there's and there's three at three and a half so it tells you good games coming good games good games Houston Texans Cleveland Browns that's gonna be a grimy one the big one CJ Stroud still balling there's a huge one for the lurking conversation down there in the AFC Jacksonville Jaguars red hot traveling uh take on the Titans AFC South Clash that's a bad one both that's one of the bad ones that's a bad one let's get to a break Chargers Ravens coming up on Monday night that's a real bad one Monday Night Football are you guys still doing countdown or no yep six o'clock Eastern countdown starts excited to get out there from okay from Baltimore from the field pass so no no field pass I think we're a couple weeks out from that we got to continue to do that good better trust it no they're saying nobody's watching it we are up though we could use a big percentage up thing there you go there we go we got we got to do that better we got to get that better figured out 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kicking off yeah as you see up there right now the uh spread is two and a half the Giants are favored we are coming off a week when the favorites were 14 and one so we can see if that continues this week now as I mentioned before the break the two and a half is the smallest spread that we have seen in the last 15 games going back to that so it's closer than anything that we saw last week the total of 40 and a half with the weather that we have uh talked about a bit um I'm seeing on my weather app the weather Channel app brought to you by Jim Cantore uh around 60 65 that's that's that's absolute fucking by the way for us uh it was accurate at the time and then at game time it was not accurate yeah but we were asking for game time yeah I don't know tell you weather changes that's just what it does that man you screwed us you screwed us all it wasn't tone thank you for that I'm talking to Cantori don't talk to him by way of tone digs uh okay so when you look at that yeah make sure you factor that in the fuck you Jim you are I think you are to tell fucking balls on you yeah but watch Jim said oh that's what he said oh okay do we have his number can we call him I would like to get to the bottom of how he was so wrong last week I know we have the producer's number I don't know if we have his number ever and I don't think he's ever just answered a cold FaceTime for us setup that has to happen he's not there working did we ask the producer what he thinks and the producer's like yeah fuck it's not gonna rain at all no we went to his website okay yeah we went to the website this is Jim Cantor normally accurate last week I'm not just on some free app okay I pay premium dollar for this it's on only fans for Jim Cantor exactly call it only can tours he gives me the weather is underwear it's awesome yeah it's unbelievable he comes sliding out show me the money yeah boom this is what the weather's gonna be never been more wrong in in the history of the NFL and it really did affect us yeah in our picks but tonight pretty clear yeah I'm getting fooled tonight it's coming down Jeremy Fowler's got some video here uh who's ready for some Thursday football it's messy in MetLife maybe a MetLife mishap tonight with the amount of turnovers that can potentially take place expect plenty of cam scataboo we hope his hand is good we do we hope his hand is good we would just like him to get in the end zone AJ how do you feel about our team ride this evening of cam scataboo plus odds to get in the end that's not boosted that's just in general plus 120. how do you feel about it because we put you on the graphic and said you like it I absolutely love it are you kidding me especially with these conditions now I wish this was a game that was played on grass so we'd get like a muddy with muddy game with puddles all over the place now it's field surf so it's a little different but yeah of course I I like cam scataboo to score score at least one touchdown especially when you have some elements like he's going to be dealing like you like two I like that at least one you could get him for two plus touchdowns on DraftKings the best sports book on the earth okay if you are of age DraftKings is available coast to coast you can either trade or bet uh please agree to be uh responsible on there and not an because we cannot have you ruin it with uh you thinking you're going to get rich off of sports gambling or sports trading this is just to add a little bit more intrigue like you're going to a gas station and you get a scratch off on the way out yeah like you buy that is what this is let's just dabble a little bit let's do it responsibly if you're able we need cam in the paint tonight and I love scataboo to score and this is part of not part of my secret plan but this is just something to consider tonight it happens every year and typically it's on Thursday where it ends up being 12 to 9. so just throwing this out there no touch no touchdown score is plus seven thousand now again it's the longest odds there's there's nobody you could bet on with longer odds and like I said to start I love scataboo I have them in multiple bets just because of the sprinkle let's say it's the third quarter and nothing's happened yet and you're just so pissed that you sat through this whole thing waiting for a touchdown you sprinkle on no touchdown you know what you're thinking all of a sudden oh my god plus seven thousand holy nobody score I love cam scataboo to score however that plus seven thousand is just something to a dollar you put a dollar responsibly exactly that's what I mean you put a buck on it you get 70 bucks all of a sudden that poopy game I got 70 bucks yeah we're we're having a good time all of a sudden because now we got 70 bucks so we can maybe flip into a great Friday night bingo yeah have a great Friday night whatever you want to do stop by pick up some Buffalo Trace yes you know have a night Buffalo Trace and diet I don't think you're 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Let's get it right now. Everybody's getting it right now. It's our subject to change. Right there across the bottom. Gambling problem, call, blah, blah, blah, do the whole thingy. Give me that number. What is that? Plus 125. Call the 1-800-GAMBLER-1. They're the nicest. And if you do like him to score two touchdowns, that is plus 800. The Hope NY1. They're kind of mean to you. No, they're not mean. They're just trying to get the right treatment for you if you need it. And if you do need it, we would recommend it. Just don't be assholes, please. You're not going to get rich off of this. And when you're trading, Gumpy, you love looking at the morning trades with how much we've been traveling for these games. Yeah, I had Carson Wentz any time touchdown at 8% trade, and I thought that was a good bet at the time. It didn't work out, but that's the trade market. What's the app like in the trade world as opposed to the world that we're normally like? Word for word, bar for bar, exact same. Easy to use. Very. The best. Okay, but it being easy to use is good for user experience. Still need to be very responsible. And on the trades, them telling you the percentages of you hitting them, that I think is a little bit clearer picture. I think that is. Yeah, I like the plus. The plus looks a lot better when I'm staring at it. Plus 7,000. What is this,.0005% you're trading on this thing, I would imagine? Trade's also very much more straight up with you because there are less bets in there. I know that no touchdown would be a trade that you could make, but you couldn't do the first drive catch or first quarter yards. There are a plethora of bets you can do on DraftKings, whereas with the trades, it is much more like clear-cut, straightforward bets, which I actually do like. I think a lot of the citizens of the non-sportsbook states that trade markets have come into in a big way saying, hey, we're the same, I think because of all the offshore stuff that they've had to do for a long time, that probably continues to be what some people will stick with. So I think DraftKings has tried its absolute best to make the experience the exact same. Yeah. And they have the best. They have the best tech in the biz whenever it comes to sports gambling, and they've done that for trades as well. We've been trading a lot during this football. We've been in a lot of trading states, a lot of trading states, and those percentages staring you in the face make you a little bit more responsible with your money, I will say, as opposed to seeing a plus 7,000 and thinking that the scratch-off might hit. Let's be responsible. Let's enjoy this night. Chuck, before we get into you making your picks, I know you're a defensive head coach, and I know the way you used to play at Wyoming. Oh, buddy. You used to like whatever. There were some big, nasty hits. You like physical football. Ain't that right, Chuck? Yes, sir. You know? That's how you will. You will do all of that. We know you will. Crown. Yeah, and it used to be you got jacked up was the segment that we all kind of look forward to for the big hits. Then the NFL and football as a whole changed the way it operates completely. The jacked-up hits, which are normally riddle-rate-to-jaw-type hits or blindside shots or projecting. Like a missile into people's sternum-slash-faces. A.J., you were guilty. What other type of hits am I leaving off that you guys used to do to each other back in the day before we had Dr. Will Smith in the movie that basically said what you guys were doing was terrible for yourselves? Well, you know, usually as a defender, when there would be an interception, you'd have three or four or five or six defensive linemen looking for that quarterback and planting him and landing on top of him, and that was considered a plus play, and it was not a penalty. Yeah, because that quarterback's trying to tackle your guy. He doesn't have the ball anymore. He's just a defender. So if we're going to triple-team him, I mean, that happens in football. And you say landing on the guys. That's another thing. Those sacks back in the day or after the— You were taught to land on him back in the day. That's what you're supposed to do. Okay, and if you can get on that, you know, because this is the half of his body that's doing the throwing. So if we can maybe get in there, he gets up like this. That play clock, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Even if you don't get him, we're still wearing him down. That's how these defensive coaches and defensive players used to think. I'm not saying it's how I would think. I didn't play on defense in the NFL. I'm just telling you the reality of the biz. Then the game changed. Changed mightily, mightily, mightily, mightily. Heads up. We're not doing that anymore. You're getting fined. Yeah, why are you running the replay in the commercial break then? Like, if you don't want me to do this, why is this the highlight that you're showing on all these things? Then you're taking my money. Okay, we'll change it completely. They changed football entirely. Strike zone. Helmet out of the way. Shoulders are doing this. Fundamental tackling for a fundamental tackle is now what we're expecting. A whole generation now has— has grown up just with this tackling fundamentals. And we got some thumps coming back to football. Yes, we do. That's why it's a great time for our Ram partnership in a segment that we call Ram Truck. AJ, you would have been on Ram Truck a few times, I think, back in the day. And as you know, if you want to drive a truck, you need to drive a Ram Truck. I don't know if they love that part of the whole thing. The barking. We don't love the barking. We don't love the way you talk about the truck there. Oh, it sounds— Let's get through these because there's some massive shots. And it's not just football. No, no. Let's go to hockey. Jacob Chikrin, defenseman for the Washington Cavs. Boom! Oh, God. That guy— Airborne. Boom! That's a clean hit, right? He didn't get penalized? No penalty. Clean hit. And only on Ram Truck. He's asleep. Yes, he's out. He's out. There's a fight. There's a scrum. He's asleep. He's asleep. He's asleep. He's out. On Ram Truck, we only put legal, by-the-rule book hits. We don't want to be promoting nasty shots in any sport. But, yeah, this is a clean hit. Boom! Puts him out. People are saying maybe hardest hit in the history of hockey. We've seen another before. We've seen a couple before where guys' heads are coming up late. They're full speed. Boom! You get knocked out. Hey, Ram Truck can happen on the ice, AJ. As you know, very, very physical sport. Now. Let's go down to LSU, Alabama. There's a Caucasian linebacker that has been everywhere. Boom! Jesus. Textbook. True sophomore, Luke Metz. Looks like an absolute monster. That's old school hit, AJ. This dude had a bunch of them. I like the way he looks. I like the back flap. I like the way his helmet is. I like his face mask. This dude's a true sophomore, AJ. Thumping out there. Yeah, I can't wait to watch this guy play well. Probably one more. One more season in Alabama, then he'll turn pro. But, man, he is. You turn the film on to this guy, you will see him just annihilating people all the time. He finishes through the play. I think he had an interception, too, as well. Yeah, and he's wearing prime shoes. I mean. Looks good. We got the moxie. We got the physicality. And he brings the juice. That kid's got another year. What's that, Chuck? We used to tell him, put those two screws of that Rydell right under his chin. No. Yes, sir. Sam Leavitt moved where his head was. He was trying to get outside of him. Sam ducked into this goal. No flag. I said used to. Huge hit. He absolutely did this on a regular basis on Saturday night. And then watching him, it's like, oh, this guy's a superstar. Yeah. Shirt up. A lot of juice. A lot of good juice. Twelve tackles. I mean, he's, you know, and we are down in the middle of the SEC beehive. That guy, and he's come to the Colts. I would like us to draft him this year with all of our second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth round picks. We'd like to draft guys. In the future, that's a guy I'd like in, uh, in Indianapolis. I think we need them. And the Colts are sending an interesting spot where I'm already thinking about drafting a guy two years from now. That's not good. I don't like that. Let's get to the next one. Shall we? How about a quarterback? What? Yeah. 2,500 been there, done that veteran in the game. Fumble. Okay. Let's get the ball back. Actually send it full body. I love it. It's a, it's a hockey check. Slash. A full send with his throwing shoulder, you know, which is certainly the stronger part of his body. Mm-hmm. AJ, what are they saying to the lad there in the meeting after getting absolutely rammed by the quarterback, pal? I mean, he didn't have a lot. Like you, he picks his ball up, Gilman does. He lifts his head up and boom, like he probably thought like, Hey, what the hell just happened? Who hit me? He probably didn't even know who hit him for a little bit. Aloha. Gilman takes the shot from Gino Smith. You know this lad, Coach Pagano. Yes, I do. Yeah. He's a stud. He was with us in Baltimore last year. I guarantee you. AJ's right. He didn't know what the hell happened. What's his name? Aloha. Gilman. Cause they, do they say, does everybody say Aloha or they say. They say Aloha, not Aloha. Okay. Aloha. What about Alohi? What about Alohi? No. Aloha. Okay. Aloha. Gino Smith said, bye. He got rammed. Let's go to the next one here. Shout out to the Green Bay Packers. Evan Williams. With a ram. Perfect timing. Turns his shoulder. Hangs onto the rock there, Pop. Incredible stuff. But over the middle hits had kind of disappeared there for a little bit. They're back seemingly, AJ. Your thoughts here on Evan Williams ram trucking through his body. Yeah, you're right. They did. You used to hear all the time like old school linebackers in safety say like, hey, you don't ever throw the ball across the middle. I'll kill whoever catches that thing. Those have kind of gone away. But I think it's guys know what to do and they know how to lower their strike zone and not get penalized for big hits like this. Yeah, you're right. They did. You used to hear all the time, like old-school linebackers in safety say, like, hey, you don't ever throw the ball across the middle. Those have kind of gone away, but I think it's guys know what to do, and they know how to lower their strike zone and not get penalized for big hits like this. I mean, that's a picture-perfect shot. In the strike zone, wide receiver has ball. "He's not a defenseless whatever player." And then helmet out of there. That's a monster shot, perfectly timed. What a play. - Yeah, he is unbelievable. And also kudos to the officials because they did initially throw a flag on this and then picked it up. - I like that. That was probably with, yeah, replay of Cisco. And I know it's gonna be hard to believe, especially with the reaction there, but like, yeah, that was a legal hit. Everything we want, that guy just did right there. So that's good for the state of ball that those hits are still existing. I think, I hope the OGs continue to think that. Let's talk about Arvel Rees-Ram. I'll tell you, he had three sacks. If you're not going to block him, he'll certainly punish you. Bazooka Joe Milton, welcome to Philly, and welcome to Ram Trotter. AJ, your thoughts on the Ohio State Buckeye bringing it wide-ass open. Joe Milton, I am sorry to see it. Yeah, Arvel Rees is obviously killing it. Had a huge game, but also, like, Arvel took a very nice path, too. A lot of times guys will get up the field and kind of, like, bow that a little too much. He took a direct line right off that tackle that turned down to block whoever the end was. So he took a nice direct path. He would have got him no matter what. But that's what I think enabled him to have such a clean shot. Yeah, he trimmed the fat there a little bit as opposed to expecting he's going to be blocked. He knew he wasn't. Makes the play. Chuck Pagano, that's a tough shot on a quarterback in 2026. Great job at the end of this thing, not getting body weight, putting his hands out. Otherwise, they'd probably throw one there. That's a heels charge, we tell them. You got all those guys up, you don't know which way they're going to slide, so you go right at the heels of the tackle, to A.J.'s point about trimming that fat. So it's either going to be him free or the other side free, depending upon which way. And then whichever way they turn it, if they turn to you, you pop out. Let's go to an offensive player at Ram Trucking, a few folks in overtime. Harold Fannin, Jr., his first reception of the day. Ram Truck! Touchdown. They kept him in the block a lot, so they could protect Shador. He gets the ball, he gets loose, and he's throwing defenders around. I like whenever the offense gets involved in Ram Trucks, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, it's awesome. And, A, also credit to the Browns for blocking downfield, too. The Browns can surprise some people, I think. Remember, Shador took that massive shot whenever he completed the one with Jerry Doody. This one, he stands in the pocket, takes another shot. Shador Sanders, wildly tough at quarterback. It will be on display. Almost gets a win down in New Orleans. Yeah. And has a couple massive, massive plays by his teammates, including Harold Fannin, Jr., going, Ram Truck! Times two. He did it twice. Two times. Mm-hmm. A.J., he took you by that forehead of yours. And he said, get the, get the. That's so, that's got to be tough on the defense side. It's terrible. You got to chop that. Especially at an angle, you're running at an angle. You better time it up perfectly, too, to chop that stiff arm. Because it's. Yeah, it's coming. And it can hit you right in the face mask. Obviously, we're not allowed to punch him back in the face mask. But they can stiff arm you right directly into the face mask. Open palm strike like your boss Rootin. You just got to find a way to chop that arm and get his legs down. I always wondered why they're allowed to do a shot to the head, like, very clearly. But it's an offensive move, I guess. So you guys just kind of have to handle that? I don't know. Like, what if we went up and just stiff armed right in the face mask and threw an open hand shot right to the face mask before we tackled him? You remember what Derrick Henry was doing to people? I mean, he would get you by your head. To the head. And it was just a shot to the actual head. It's like, that's a great stiff arm. And then you start hearing the murmurs from the defensive players saying, he punched him in the face. What's the difference between a stiff arm and a punch in the face? I don't know. Well, if it looks sick. It's like all the peanut punches now. Because if you miss, they're catching guys in the helmet, too. Landman did get him in the helmet this week when he punched that one out. Did they call it or no? I don't think so, no. Oh. So there you go, H. Good. It's good. It all evens itself out. And also, peanut punch. You might miss. You might miss and hit the liver, hit the kidney, hit the ribs, anything else, too. So it all works. I guess it evens out. It all works. Listen to this guy. It all works. Get him a good liver shot. It's even. Nothing bad. That'll slow you down. That'll slow you down running in traffic. No doubt. Just a little bit. I got that virtual reality box and we're back in there. Oh, nice. Overhand right? Of course. That is the winner if you want to win in there. Ugly Joe. You fight Ugly Joe. Is he still in there? After we killed Chuck and Chuck had a 12-round fight. Chuck had to fight his way out of that. Okay, that's on Chuck. If he puts Ugly Joe down, that fight isn't four rounds. Correct. Three minutes per round where he almost passes away. He did some good sparring with him. Right there. Yeah, you took him down. Good win. No CPR. Good win. Yeah, we got the clear things. Yeah, but here, is this Chuck? Yeah, this is Chuck fighting Ugly Joe right here at the beginning into Thunderdome. Virtual reality boxing is quite a workout. Chuck found that out whenever he just couldn't put Joe down. You know, he didn't have thunder in those gloves, but he certainly had a little lightning, you know, Chuck. And if you have some thunder, you can get a knockdown. That thing will end a little bit sooner. Ugly Joe said, I'm sorry, I can't follow these punches, but you did beat him up. You tried coaching me up. I just couldn't execute it. It was the round. It's a lot of body blows. Well, you got to keep it tight so you don't get exposed. Body blows. But yeah, you're boom, right here, bang, little jab. Show them you can get them like this. Show you can get them like this. And as soon as you get them like this, it's like, oh, welcome to the fucking Thunderdome, pal, bang. Then you're coming up over top of that thing. There you go. Boom for the body. There's a button, which is, they have a gym that you can go into and train. Speedback. Okay. You get speedback. I feel so cool. Nobody else can see it. It's just me. They even make the sound, though. I'm like, oh, my God. Killing it. Real. So then you go over to this little dummy. It has sensors on it, obviously, in the virtual reality world. How hard are you punching this? Boom. You know, it gives you the power on it. It gives you a little comp to it. And then they have the sensors on a full-size, what, AI human in there. Tells you where to hit. Right here. Boy, I didn't know that this is, boom. You're trying to get right here. I guess this one is a really devastating blow. The button of the body. Yeah, I guess this is a little deeper. It's not in the front here. There's one right here, I guess. You're trying to get around to that thing. I couldn't pass the stage because I couldn't get a fucking green on that one. Those body blows are hard. Hard to get there. Head, body, head, body, head, body. Knocked down Sugar Ray Leonard. Shout out Mickey. Right here, we're going here. He was fighting Vito, Anna Fermo. Body shot? You're not going to get into it. Well, we just need to know if it's true or not, if you're going to get into it. Oh, no, he was fighting him. It was true. Okay. Okay, well, we heard about Albrecht and Alfred last year. Look it up, Nick. The Durr brothers. Doer. Sacrifice for your brother. One goes down the mile. What do we do? The names were Albrecht and Albert, right? And Ben, yeah. And somebody said, no, that's not true, right? Yeah. I think we got a graphic. A graphic? What's your difference? Holy shit. Here it is. We got another. We got a bunch of black squiggly lines. The famous story, a brother sacrificed. Chuck might have had this made. The story goes that the 15th century, a poor family in Germany had 18 children. Two of the brothers, Albrecht and Albert, both dreamed of becoming artists. Okay. Their family couldn't afford to send them both to art school. Wow. So the brothers made them. The brothers made a pact. They would flip a coin. Indication. The winner would attend art school. The other would work in the dangerous mines to pay for his brother's education. After four years, they would switch places. Albrecht won the coin toss and went to study art. Well, his brother, Albert, worked in the mines to support him. When Albrecht returned home as a successful artist, he told Albert, it was now his turn to pursue his dream. But Albert began to cry. Years of hard labor in the mines had damaged his hands so severely that he couldn't do it. He could no longer hold a paintbrush. Rather than feeling resentment, Albert was happy. We don't have the rest of the story. That's all we got from Coach. Oh, so he stopped. Are you fucking kidding me? That's not even the story you told, Chuck. Yes, it is. That is exactly the story you told. No. Yes, it is. Chuck said that when the famous artist returned, he took his place and he went into the mines and he hurt his hands and could no longer. Yeah, there was a little bit of a difference. Yeah, that was what he said. That was it. He did say that the artist went down into the mines and then when he came back, his hands were so broken. And the brother's name was Hans, not Albert. Well, what does that mean? What is this? This says it's Albert and Albrecht. What is this? It's okay. What is it? Where's it from? It's okay. I mean. Expedia Botanica. The hate is real. Hallmark? Where's that from? Encyclopedia Botanica. What's this all about? John Ush. I believe you, Chuck. I believe you, too. We made a vow a long time ago on this program to not spread misinformation. Oh, fuck. And Chuck. Did we? Broke it. That's not misinformation. Damn you, Charles. I think you got it right, actually. But most of it. You got most of it right. I mean. I didn't say. I said, hey, look, one's going to go down, one's going to art school. And they did that. And then. And then one came home, toasted his brother. Thank you for doing it. Now I'm going to go down for you. And the guy says, I can't go. I can't hold a paintbrush. My hands are broke up. Okay. That's exactly how I told him. I don't know if that's how you told him. I'll rerun the tape. I think. Let's go to the tape. Okay. You might. We need replay assist. You might be right. We do. My brain remembers artists coming out, telling brother, now it's your turn. Artists going into mine, busting fingers, coming out. Now, not being able to be an artist. And that's on me. If I said that, that's on me. No, no. You said it on the tape. You didn't say it. I'm just saying that's how my brain caught the story. You got a pretty good brain. Pretty good memory. But then there was chaos, though, in the back on what was real, what wasn't real. So I might not have remembered it properly. You got. You motherfucker. Some hate coming in your ear. My voice is in my head. They talk to me. They talk to me. They talk to me. Randy Orton, he had a big match. Really? That thing's still on? No, certainly not. Randy and Cody, once again. And awesome. During Saudi season? In Saudi? Yeah, I missed that one. I ain't supporting that product. Why are you talking like D-Bone? What happened? Cody and Randy, we like Cody and Randy. Well, no. If I was talking like D-Bone, I'd be like, yeah, it was fucking sick, dude. Of course I saw it. That was awesome. Final Ram truck comes from a punter. Okay. A punter kicking off for the. That's in the first quarter. KG affair. Punter. Tommy Diamond Junior out of Florida puts his head down, hunts. The ball says, you know what the punter position is the most. Most athletic position with the most explosive players in the entire sport. Shout out to Tommy putting his face in there. I respect that. I appreciate that. I don't think he was expecting a full cross body effort that he ended up giving, but it's whatever you need to do to get the job done. That's Tommy Doman, football and Ram truck day, Jay Hawk. Yeah, he's a soldier for the cause, as you would say. He's going to put his body on the line for the squad. This was an awesome play. I wish Buffalo would have been able to come up with it. Yeah, I mean, it's just a little bit of misfortune. You know, that it ends up in the Vikings. Shout out to the Minnesota Vikings special teams chasing the ball, being there for it as soon as it pops up. And shout out to Tommy Doman putting his head down there. With the way the kickoffs are now, having somebody that can kick off and make a tackle is certainly a little bit of an advantage as opposed to having somebody who doesn't like to put their face in the field. Who did we see on the sideline earlier this season? Just get broke up. Oh, Blake Gruppy. Yeah, Gruppy. Come on, dude. Drop it. What's that? What do you mean? His name's Groupie. Is it? Yeah. We are a fan of Blake Gruppy. I know. Gruppy? What is it? Groupie? Gruppy. Blake Guppy. Also plays. No. He's not a Guppy. Those are those little fish that follow sharks around? Uh-huh. He's Blake Gruppy. Actually, that's kind of perfect. That's what he looked like throwing his body into that dude. Well, Blake Gruppy shouldn't be out on there on kickoff. He's too tough. He's too tough for his own good. What do you want from him? He's Carson Wentz, but he can actually – every play, no play left behind. He wants to make the most of everything. And Blake Gruppy will throw himself into a defensive line if it means that he thinks that it will help the team win. That's right. So, we need to make sure we save himself from himself. Uh-huh. Not have him on kickoffs. But I did see some teams, I think, are using positional players to kick off. I saw that. Yeah. Fullback for the Jets. Yeah. This – I do believe that's a good idea. And then he kicked it out of bounds. The extra tackler. That is not a good idea. The guy that can actually get a guy down. Yes. It started well, first couple. Yeah. And if somebody played good. Yeah. Yeah. If somebody played good high school soccer and then transitioned into being another positional player, certainly athletic enough to be able to figure it out. Hitting a ball consistently is kind of the thing, you know, for NFL kickers and why they're in the NFL as opposed to college or something like that. You can have some mishits in college nobody really knows, nobody really cares. In the NFL, any mishit, any miss is spotlighted as, hey, this is your only job. You need to figure it out. So, if a linebacker or a safety or a running back or tight end, whoever the hell it is, can get consistent enough to hit that ball. It can land. It can land it in the landing zone while also offering up a very able body in the coverage unit. It is a big time advantage, I think. And teams only continue to do that as these kickoffs continue to be a bigger part of the game, which they already have been. The amount of returns is way up. The amount of implications have been way up. The amount of decisions that have been made with the kickoff in mind, both going right and wrong, has been in abundance. But, yeah, that's why, like, I didn't always understand. I appreciated the people. Like, showed me love for tackling. But it's like, if you're a football fan at all and you watch football, it's like, having 11 bodies on the field that can tackle is a lot better than having 10 bodies on the field that can tackle. And for the good of everybody, if they score on us, we're all fucking miserable. Okay? So, it's like, why did I like to tackle? It's like, well, I didn't like it. It was a necessity. And I don't think there's, like, a lot of kickers and punters that necessarily view it the same way. That's okay. I don't think they should be on the field for the kickoffs, though. You know what I mean? I think in this particular kickoff, I don't think they should be on the field. Yeah, you're short. Yeah, you're disadvantaged. It's like people that run, you know, plus-one quarterback runs. You're going to have eight in the box, but if he carries the ball, you're short. You've got a guy out there that can't get a guy on the ground, you're short. I love that. Denver Broncos punt return. I hit guy into guy. We've seen the play, I think. I hit guy. Guy was a really good special teams player, too. I had a lot of respect. I had a lot of respect for him. He's lead blocking for returner, and I make the decision, like, I'm going to hit the guy into the guy. That's really the only thing that I have. So, I give a pretty good boom. Guy does fall. Returner skirts right by him. Scores a touchdown. I thought you did, though. He completely scores a touchdown. The idea was there. But in my mind, it was like, I'm going to hit guy into guy. What a ridiculous thought, Indiana. I'm sure you forced him back inside, which is all you could do. So, that's what I didn't do, actually. So, as soon as I get to the sideline, there's somebody fucking waiting for me. You at least got to get him. Get him fucking back inside. Get him on the ground. In that moment, it wasn't the right time to be like, well, I was actually, I was thinking I'm going to throw another professional athlete into a returner. And you see all this happening in real time in his mind. As you're pursuing, okay, here's, okay. I'm going to hit. I got to do this, this, bing, bing. Guy started right behind him. Professional athlete, dude. Just fucking, thank you. How are you doing? Scores a touchdown. I was disappointed he scored. But I was pretty pumped that I was going to hit him. I was able to make decision in real time, and it almost worked. Very bad that they scored, though. As soon as I get to the sideline, you got to get him on the ground. You either got to get him back to everybody, or you got to get him on the ground. You go, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I got you, man. In my head, I was like, I fucking just sent a guy, though. Can we talk a little bit about that? Shout out to Tommy Doman. There's been some big time kicker hits, punter hits. Matt Bosher, he used to be at, he came through University of Miami. He was on the Atlanta Falcons. Yeah. He got a guy. I think he got one. Suplex. I think he got a guy pretty good. Who else? Who was that punter from Baylor? Yeah, here he is. Bosher murders a guy. Sepulveda? Bosher, punter. He was also kicker, I think, in college. And then he flexed over top of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a dog. I was a big fan. Yeah, Sepulveda. Daniel Sepulveda down there at Baylor. You know who else was? Neil Rackers? Is that his name? Yeah, that is his name. He fucking ran down. That was the first time I've ever seen that. He was full sprint. In it. I'm like, bro, yeah, right. Because there's sometimes, Kevin Huber got, there's a spot where kickers cannot be. You're either behind it or you have to somehow be in front of it. If you're in this, like, middle area here, there's somebody coming from both sides to you. And you were out-athleted. You were out-toughed, out-strengthed, out-everythinged. Huber got it. He knew that. But you found out. You find yourself in there and it's immediately, like, it's a little bit too quiet right now. It's a little bit too quiet right now. And then it comes. I got blocked by a team. That was cool. I hope they start blocking Tommy Doman. That was, like, one of the most respectful things I've ever encountered in my life. Somebody coming to block me. And I ask him while he's blocking me, what are you doing? He goes, I'm blocking you the whole game. Fuck! All right, we're just standing right here. Will you please not try to kill me, at least, in this whole thing? That's good news. Yeah, that's good news. Okay, for tonight, special teams are going to matter. Rainy game, sloppy game, potential low-scoring game with the way the weather is. Special teams going to matter. Commanders have one of the best punters to ever do it. Tress Way. He might get a turnover by himself with what he can do with the ball. Will special teams play? A part of this story. Jordan Stout still punting for you guys over there in New York? Oh, yeah, and big bounce-back game for Dominic Zvada. Last game, he was four for four. Ooh. Ooh. Okay. Special teams seemingly going to offset each other with good football play. Chuck, how do you feel about that? How do you see tonight going as your picks have not been necessarily like the best in history, but it can all change today. You go from making fun of Liam Cohen last week, suffering a loss. Football gods kind of tell you we're not doing it. Karma's real. And now you have a chance to go 11-1, still, or 11-6, still in front of you. Chuck, it starts tonight in the NFC East. Who, why, how on this Thursday night football game? Well, if we just go tail of the tape, right, there's a lot of, there's some slight edges. The second one down there, that's total defense, right? You see New York's, you know, fifth in the league. So they've got a big edge there. There's a couple that are slight. The next two are slight. The one, the situational, the SPR, situational Pagano report, remember what we dove into that? Oh, yeah. So we've got eight numbers that go into that, both offense and defense. That's interception rate, sack rate, third down in red area. So we've got, oh, thank you. Thank you, Bruce. There you go. You know, so pass defense for the Giants, obviously total defense. I don't know if pass defense is going to be a factor if the weather is bad, right? It's going to be a ground game. I assume they're going to throw it, though. What's that? You have to. You have to. At some point, they'll, and think about the first game. Think about what Jameis did. He threw for over 300 yards and three touchdowns. Yeah. To lead the comeback on these guys. Yeah. To get the tie. 54 pass attempts the first time. Yeah, 54. I don't think, that's not going to be, this is a hardball game, right? Hardball game. Hardball game. Hardball game. Hardball game. Hardball game. Maybe Justin Herbert should just start running it. Yeah. Every play. Duck could have thrown it right now. Well, their offense, maybe just get the snap and just run, and then wherever you're tackling. Wing T. Triple option. No, no call, no play call. Just set hut. That's not a bad idea. I like that. Line it up. Max protection. Mm-hmm. Set hut. Oh, lost it. Touch push. Set hut. Gain of three. Mm-hmm. Holy shit. Third and 11. Yep. Set hut, boom, find a seam. Oh, P pass. Interception. Interception. And then, no, that's Carson, not Justin. They're saying they're the same, though, which I don't like. How many interceptions do you have? Well, Justin leads the league. I'm sorry. Something's wrong. Maybe they just go max protection and just have him run it every time. How come the super geniuses over there haven't figured that out? Well, because the super genius. Who, Joe Sama? No. Mike Ben Daniel. Well, I know, but they can't even max protect because Joe Sama doesn't have enough good linemen. All right, let's get back to tonight. It's going to be a hardball game. You know Slater we got all? Are they out again? Yeah, every year. They're all, yeah, they're all. They get hurt a lot. That center getting hurt kind of told the whole story. And we look back on it. Recovered. Jim Harbaugh on our show. Was that the day it was announced he wasn't coming back? Legitimately shell-shocked. He should have came. Down and out. Oh, the dauber. Fucking dauber. The dauber. I mean, you did an unbelievable job of handling that hole because when it came on, it was like, I don't know how you're going to get through this. Yeah. Because this is real. Because you're like trying to, and it's like. No. Dauber was down. Like, how you got him back? We had to take that down into a depressing spot. It was sad. We had to go with him. You know, sometimes you just got to go with wherever the person wants to go. And, you know, sometimes that's into public policy. And then sometimes it's into a dauber down world as a guy who's normally super, super up whenever you have it. But Jim Harbaugh gave us his time, which we appreciate. But I think that's when we should have. We were very taken aback. We were very taken aback with how bummed out he was as a football coach. We could have never guessed it would lead to this, but maybe we should have. Never recovered. I don't know. You lose your center, and that just all of a sudden means your football team fucking sucks. Are you kidding me? He might have known. Like, hey, this is the only fucking chance we got. Yeah, maybe. They're on their fourth center in Baltimore. They stink. They've lost four straight. Then why did you pick them last week? Because body shush. I'm a fucking body shush. Body plush. Body plush. Because like you said, I hated that you had to come on, because I wanted to say, do not do this with me. I'm loyalty. Then why didn't you? And knew that they were going to get the shite beat out of them. Oh, you know. Pignano goes with Pignano. That's the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life. You should have known, I guess, that Pignano with that boot. These stupidists. But now Harbaugh's on one side. My grandson Bear picked the Jags, right? And when I flipped. He cried. Your grandson? Yes, Bear cried. What a baby. Well, yeah. Hey, wait. Watch your damn tone. Grow up, Bear. Hey, Bear. People are allowed to make decisions, Bear. Grow up, Bear. Grandpa is allowed to discipline them. Wait until you have a kid and a grandson. Can you make them go that route? You're going to feel like shite. No, yeah. I'll tell you what. I felt so bad. How about this? You know. Bumming out Kenzie is the worst feeling on earth. But, I mean, Bear knows his grandpa. He should have known that you were deafening. He's definitely going to just pick whoever you have ties to. Because that's what kind of happens to football people. There's a loyalty. There's an appreciation. There's something you know over something you don't know. Which is why tonight, to Connor's point, is pretty interesting. He has blood on one side. Yeah, he does. And loyalty on the other. Yeah, he does. I don't know how he kind of makes his pick. AJ, have you thought about that? There's your Pagano. Januch. Yeah, Januch. Januch. He's on the commanders. The pass rushers is where he's at. And then, obviously, John Harbaugh is the reason why Coach Pagano ever became a head coach. So, I'm fascinated to see who he decides to really, you know, put the horse. I'm taking the heart out of this. This is just common sense. Okay. Go to hell, Januch. Januch, Harbaugh, nothing to do with it. Family, heart, nothing. I'm just looking at these ball clubs. And trying to get a win. And just trying to get a dub. And we know how. Two things. The ball is the program. Tonight, that's the most valued thing. With the weather. That. That. And the quarterback. Who can affect and who can protect. And can the Giants contain J.D. this time? And not let him run all over the place. Now, we have video evidence at the end of that first matchup in week five. All right. Where they, Denard Wilson said, okay. Four-man run is out. And he likes to pressure anyway. So, they threw bodies at him. He had nowhere to go. And they sacked him. Two third downs to get two more possessions to tie that thing up to go to overtime. So, in my heart of hearts, I'm thinking, okay. They've got that settled. They've got that scored. The kid will run around. He'll make some plays. Scat. He's been resting. Uh-huh. Right? And they wouldn't. If that hand wasn't right, they wouldn't put him out there. Thursday night. That's true. Early. You get another week and a half, he could steal. That's very Duke. Right. But he's got to be fresh, right? You'd think. Fresh as a daisy. Fresh as a daisy. Or they're saying, let's test it because we've got ten days until the next. I know Trace is out. But between him and Sing. Sing will Terry. Uh-huh. Right? JJ making some plays with his legs. He can run. Big motor. That's right. Got a hip pointer. Because he'll be back. And you've got Malik. There was, hey, 30. And then he can get the guy to go. And then he'll go. And then he'll. And then their side. And then they get in the end zone. You know what they're doing? I'm singing in the rain. Oh, because it's going to be monsooning. Pretty good. Yes, sir. Sure. Yeah. Hey, 33 targets, 22 catches between likely and neighbors. First meeting. Okay. Targeted 33 times, 22 catches, three tuds between those two dudes. Yeah. They're going to get a lot of work. I suspect. I suspect this little freshman, this rookie for Washington Williams, Antonio Williams. Yeah. Good player. Good player. Don't be surprised. He may get in the paint. Oh. Right? He's hardy. And Oconquo. Oconquo. Oconquo. Keep an eye on 85. Middle of the field. In a Conquo game. They're going to get some opportunities. There's going to be some disguised Tampa coverage. And if those middle linebackers ain't running down the middle of the field, AJ, and they're not deep enough. And they get in the trail position, then there's a possibility for a shot down there. What's the Williams, you said? Antonio Williams. Antonio Williams, number 14. Antonio Williams, plus 425 to score a touchdown. He has one on the season. Okay. We'll take that because that just popped out of your mouth pretty quickly there. What's the wind situation like? I know it's going to be raining, but do we know what the wind is? Blustery. Like 20 miles per hour. Fish move. Are you serious? Yeah. It's going to be very windy. Because that's the – they always bring, like, fresh balls in there and drive it. Yeah. If it's windy, then it's going to be really difficult. Steady 20. I just got a good one in there. I just – The red area has been a problem for the Giants. Bruce will tell you. I think they're 32nd right now. Jeez. There hasn't been a lot of – so they've struggled a little bit down there. I suspect they'll be a little bit better. But I think this is limited possessions because both sides are going to have to run the ball. I know – I got a feeling that the Giants are going to run it and run it and try to possess the ball for at least 10 more minutes. Than their opponent tonight. Yeah. So I'm – you ready? Mm-hmm. No, I don't know. Are you ready? Are you, Charlie? Because you've kind of been dancing around. I have not waffled one bit. Where's your promise? I knew where I was going the whole way. This has nothing to do with guys who got guys' job, loyalty, brother, blood, all that stuff. It'd be so easy, right, to do that. But you are Italian, so. But Harbaugh's 9-1 at home on Thursday night. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay? Okay. Okay. The Giants are playing at home. Mm-hmm. It's a wide out. Mm-hmm. Oh, I like that. Yeah. I didn't have that Tennessee information. It was going to be a blackout there in New England. No. That would have been a nice piece of information to have. Yeah. For sure. I suspect LT will be down there. Oh, going crazy. Oh, really? Dapping up Barville. Hey, what's up, Barville? Three sacks. Vaughn Holland. Oh, there you go. Roman back there. Newsom and Banks. Wow. Two wide receivers down. We know Scary. Terry. Yeah. Is on IR still. And Burke. And Burke's is out. And the center for Washington's out. Two defensive tackles. Like, we got Skak going right up the middle. Mm-hmm. He's a between-the-tackle guy, right? Yeah. Last time I saw. Yeah. And you got two of your. Now, they've got some bodies in there, but they're not Payne. And they're not Kinlaw. Sure. So, would that be a shit? I'm going home, team. Minus two and a half. Okay. Okay. Sorry, Januch. I don't have. Love you, Januch. For life. For life, but. It sounds like you don't really like. Not tonight. Fuck you, Januch. Sorry, Januch. Tonight. Hey, Januch is going to have the boys ready to play. We know that's Pagano football. Bruce Brown, big claps in the back there as he sits as a Giants fan. Chuck hasn't really seen it that well this year, but tonight could change it all, Bruce Brown. Yeah, that's right. And to Chuck's point, this Giants defense is a changed unit since the first matchup where they, you know, tied. I'm excited for Arvel Reese to be on primetime. You know, tell me. television and everybody get a chance to watch him. He's been unbelievable. Abdul Carter's been unbelievable. But it does start and stop with Cam Scadaboo. Scadaboo has an opportunity to show that it wasn't wise to go out and look for a running back at the deadline and that he can be the bell cow. Because last week, where we couldn't really run the ball with big motor Devin Singletary, JJ had 19 pass attempts and was sacked five times. I'm not worried much about JJ, you know, slinging it, he's shown through a quarter two games that he can it's can he stay healthy and not get hit and not sort of go the way of jackson dart where he's going out all the time and jamis is coming in um to save the day so that that's my worry but i think uh coach is right we're getting back to you know ricard scataboo pound the pill and jj's just sort of managing the game not turning the ball over and letting the defense and special teams get the job done all right good luck to you bruce and your giants i'm fired up let's fucking go vintage uh white uniform so with the old school helmet it's gonna look awesome like that incredible might be a dominating night januch might have a long trip back to dc after this one aj are you riding with chuck pagano and bruce brown or are you going with the commanders getting points on a thursday night so coming in i was honestly kind of waffling i wasn't sure where i was going to go i was going to let chuck kind of guide me in the right direction of where i should go but with that being said i'm taking the washington commanders plus two and a half on the road he likes janute janute i like jayden daniels what were the favorites what were the favorites this weekend 13 and one yeah 14 that was last week excuse me new week coach yeah what's that gonna last forever you like our arval race on the other side sunny i guess he is sunny's over there i believe me the giants defense does scare me a bit that is for sure but i just think i don't know hopefully they try to match them i hope we get third and five third and six they try to match them up they don't have a spy jayden gets loose a little bit jj mccarthy michigan man he couldn't do it what does that have to do with it you know yeah you know what that has to do with it you woke up this morning betting against jj mccarthy that is that is how you woke up this yeah look at his face that is exactly i have nothing against jay just it is more my belief in what the commanders are going to do with their backs against the wall it's like an elimination game for them pretty much i agree i i'm on your side here i i agree with what you're saying but it does feel like you woke up saying i'm not betting on jj he does also i don't know because he's always told me like off air over here like he loves jj's locker room speeches and sitting underneath and grounding uh with the meditation stuff meditation yeah you're telling me he loved his eye black when he wears it you know all the way down there these are things that i supposedly have told you guys behind the scenes yeah you also said i do like that he's grounded uh when he did this on the sideline and came back i felt bad for him on this one that's so bad that had to hurt so bad yeah there's not a lot of things that are making you buckle in pain no that had to feel like he was getting stabbed at that exact moment shot the toward all coming back is that gonna slow him down tonight bruce the the hip pointer that has been diagnosed now yeah i don't know honestly he's he's wincing like that a lot it seems like oh really just in general but think of it pat pat what did jamis do against that's right coach he's sliding the ball so i'm not worried like if he's got to come in we get little jamis winston experience he ain't little not in this weather he ain't little yeah this was not the jamis winston experience that you'd sign up for jamis winston was on your team all right i'll take the giants football giants football giants i'll take the football giants let's go chuck come on does he have some gimmick he's gonna run the back and grab that's where we're waiting you think i was gonna pick against you against my brother he's got a glass of genoosh's piss back there exactly drink some someone's really dehydrated piss i saw that earlier this is my brother's pitch he's okay with me picking against him you think this is an honor of aj what he used to do what uh so what is it you've just been drinking piss all morning no it's that fucking apple juice wake you up sauce in there oh you got boosh we have red bull you got boosh red bull into a better i'm afraid to bring a can up here i don't know who the fucking sponsor and who we don't oh yeah but fiji bottles okay well i mean guys nobody would get on what did saban say water's water we don't have any water stuff i don't know we got ram truck you hammered hey listen i think with the performance you put on today especially with all those red bulls floating through your body through a fiji bottle you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water didn't put it on an unmarked bottle just took it out of the red bull can put it into a fiji bottle brought it up here nobody will ever wake up juice nobody will ever know you got a little bit of your wake up juice you got some wings do you think you're gonna make a throw here today or do you want to maybe try a different sport do you want to throw a dunk do you want to shoot a basketball do you want to push an elephant around or do you want to maybe throw a football into a basketball football oh wow love it love it like paulo kashalish aj has a motivational message for you chuck pagano's you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water you're gonna get a lot of water you attempt to do the impossible which is make a football into the basketball hoop as 30 people win 500 chuck do this one for bear we know bear is watching he's gonna be very very heartbroken if you do not make this but think how excited he will be when you drain this first throw right here do this for bear come on do this for the people chuck yes sir 30 people 500 grand boy bear watching at home judging grandpa oh love it love the way you just step up and that's what we're talking about good job that was fun i think we need to keep bear involved in all of our speeches here okay whoever's speaking next i think him trying to do it for bear is a big deal right now let's go ahead and try to reach the person we're trying to reach uh connor i know you'll have something very nice to say to bear's grandpa chuck pagano come on charlie you think we all want bear to cry like a little baby no we want bear to be excited and that's in your hands right now you're gonna have to do it right now you're gonna have to do it right now you're gonna have to do it right now you're gonna have to do it right now you're the one that's gonna make him you're the one that's gonna make him you're the one that's gonna make him seem like a baby crying all the time like a seem like a baby crying all the time like a seem like a baby crying all the time like a little girl or oh you can pick up that little girl or oh you can pick up that little girl or oh you can pick up that ball and then you can just put it in the ball and then you can just put it in the ball and then you can just put it in the hoop and bear's gonna be super pumped but hoop and bear's gonna be super pumped but hoop and bear's gonna be super pumped but i put you to that hoop yeah go ahead i put you to that hoop yeah go ahead i put you to that hoop yeah go ahead if that helps the people win go ahead if that helps the people win go ahead if that helps the people win go ahead you're talking about bear's grandpa here you're talking about bear's grandpa here you're talking about bear's grandpa here yeah come on papa yeah come on papa yeah come on papa what do they what does bear yeah what do what do they what does bear yeah what do what do they what does bear yeah what do they call nokio they call nokio they call nokio what do they call you what do they call you what do they call you my dog pop pop pop pop my dog pop pop pop pop pop my dog pop pop pop pop pop all right pop this is bear's pop all right pop this is bear's pop all right pop this is bear's pop attempted to win 30 people 500 attempted to win 30 people 500 attempted to win 30 people 500 toxic table ain't no good toxic table ain't no good pretty good line that's good throw these pretty good line that's good throw these pretty good line that's good throw these are two really good throws are two really good throws are two really good throws he doesn't call you minga he doesn't call you minga he doesn't call you minga he told tori he told tori he told tori said the other day him and bode said the other day him and bode said the other day him and bode tori and bode were getting out saying tori and bode were getting out saying tori and bode were getting out saying something to him talking to the same something to him talking to the same something to him talking to the same time he started getting a little time he started getting a little time he started getting a little confused and he said hey confused and he said hey confused and he started getting a little confused and he said hey can you one at a time you're giving me agita you're giving me agita you're giving me agita i was so beautiful i was so beautiful i was so beautiful six unbelievable he's six crying six unbelievable he's six crying six unbelievable he's six crying because you switched teams all right because you switched teams all right because you switched teams all right this sale yeah listen bear's a little uh this sale yeah listen bear's a little uh this sale yeah listen bear's a little uh i like he runs a little hot a little bit i like he runs a little hot a little bit i like he runs a little hot a little bit of emotions tone has a message for of emotions tone has a message for of emotions tone has a message for bear's pop here bear's pop here bear's pop here yeah i mean yeah i mean yeah i mean bear pop bear pop bear pop what would julius caesar do is that what would julius caesar do is that what would julius caesar do is that screeching back there screeching back there screeching back there that's christ goddamn siren that's mitt that's christ goddamn siren that's mitt that's christ goddamn siren that's mitt um what would julius caesar do in this um what would julius caesar do in this um what would julius caesar do in this situation that's a great question kill situation that's a great question kill situation that's a great question kill the center what would he do what would the center what would he do what would the center what would julius caesar do what would julius caesar do what would he do julius caesar do what would julius caesar do what would he do he would he would he would be born through the stomach be born through the stomach be born through the stomach no no he's not no no he's not no no he's not i haven't bowed down on the classic i haven't bowed down on the classic i haven't bowed down on the classic recently recently recently you were gonna answer the question yes you were gonna answer the question yes you were gonna answer the question yes no he would win the people because if no he would win the people because if no he would win the people because if you win the people you win rome and if you win the people you win rome and if you win the people you win rome and if you win the people money you win the people money you win the people money you will win the death you win the mob you will win the death you win the mob you will win the death you win the mob yes you win rome and caesar made a yes you win rome and caesar made a yes you win rome and caesar made a salad and salad and salad and a birthing technique and a birthing technique and a birthing technique and he would definitely make this he would definitely make this he would definitely make this caesar caesar caesar yeah i meant marcus aurelius but um oh yeah i meant marcus aurelius but um oh yeah i meant marcus aurelius but um oh okay okay okay tomato tomato stoicism that's on me tomato tomato stoicism that's on me tomato tomato stoicism that's on me nonetheless get a little bit of your uh nonetheless get a little bit of your uh nonetheless get a little bit of your uh red bull wings belly full of pigs red bull wings belly full of pigs red bull wings belly full of pigs not death a man should fear not death a man should fear not death a man should fear never beginning to live that's marcus never beginning to live that's marcus never beginning to live that's marcus aurelius aurelius aurelius let's go coach wow why don't you live a let's go coach wow why don't you live a let's go coach wow why don't you live a little bit wow why don't you make these little bit wow why don't you make these little bit wow why don't you make these shots at 30 people go in far shots at 30 people go in far shots at 30 people go in far marcus aurelius marcus aurelius marcus aurelius juiced up juiced up juiced up bear right now bear right now bear right now one more white one more white one more white one more flag one more flag one more flag one more flag here we go one more flag here we go one more flag here we go go on go on go on i just want a whole football to show i just want a whole football to show i just want a whole football to show solidarity with you because i want to solidarity with you because i want to solidarity with you because i want to let you know although it doesn't feel let you know although it doesn't feel let you know although it doesn't feel like it sometimes with the way these like it sometimes with the way these like it sometimes with the way these microphones hear the stuff that's microphones hear the stuff that's microphones hear the stuff that's coming out of these guys mouth we're on coming out of these guys mouth we're on coming out of these guys mouth we're on your team coach we love you charlie your team coach we love you charlie your team coach we love you charlie we don't love you as much as bear loves we don't love you as much as bear loves we don't love you as much as bear loves you obviously pop no doubt but bear you obviously pop no doubt but bear you obviously pop no doubt but bear would love to see pop be a hero to 30 would love to see pop be a hero to 30 would love to see pop be a hero to 30 people right for holiday season that's people right for holiday season that's people right for holiday season that's right yeah imagine another 500 bucks right yeah imagine another 500 bucks just dropping into your account because just dropping into your account because just dropping into your account because pops uh bear's pop drains a basketball pops uh bear's pop drains a basketball pops uh bear's pop drains a basketball i mean or drains a football into a i mean or drains a football into a i mean or drains a football into a basketball hoop this could be an basketball hoop this could be an basketball hoop this could be an absolutely thrilling incredible absolutely thrilling incredible absolutely thrilling incredible memorable iconic day for bear and bear's memorable iconic day for bear and bear's memorable iconic day for bear and bear's pop yeah all you gotta do is just put pop yeah all you gotta do is just put pop yeah all you gotta do is just put that football into that hoop right over that football into that hoop right over that football into that hoop right over there there there come on pop come on pop come on pop never gonna get it never gonna get it never gonna get it i don't think i don't think i don't think it's okay papa it's okay papa it's okay papa it's not okay pop thanks a lot yo soy pop it's not okay pop thanks a lot yo soy pop it's not okay pop thanks a lot yo soy pop oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh to papa i think i could get to papa i think i could get to papa i think i could get one of those in there i don't think you one of those in there i don't think you one of those in there i don't think you can what for the brand can what for the brand can what for the brand you think so i think so seven more of you think so i think so seven more of - One more. - I think you can. - One more. - Okay. - I believe. I believe that I believe that you I believe that you can make it I believe that you can make it I believe that you can Yeah, that chant's dead. Yeah, we should probably put that thing to rest. Yeah, Ponchettino's no longer the coach of the U.S. Men's National Team. I'm going to silence for the I. I believe, I believe that, I believe that we I believe that we won't win I believe that we won't win That was such a cool one. Sorry, Ponch. No, no, no, no. No. No, don't be sorry for him. Where'd he go? He's taking a better opportunity. Played in a U.S. soccer organization like a goddamn fiddle and then got out of there. It's beautiful. It's the American dream. He did kind of experience the American dream over here. He did. He didn't get the job done for us, but he promised he would. Now he's going to Manchester United. And that chant probably going over there with him. No. I'm going to silence, please, for it all. What's his name, Mauricio? Yeah, Big Mo. That's what his friends call him. Well, what's the word? Grande Mo? Yeah. Yeah. Large Mo. No, I think it's Spanish, right? He spoke? Grande Mo, yeah. Where's he from? You're so disappointed. Argentina. Argentina. Do they speak Spanish? So disappointed that it's Grande. Don't cry for me, Argentina. Well, he's not crying for America anymore, I don't think. No. Love his time here. That's all we can ask him. What was the pay raise? I think he's taking a break. He's taking less, yeah. Less money, no company car, doesn't even get a house. He just wants to win. This one's for Grande Mo. Come on, Mo. Yeah. U.S. men's national team. Wet your lips with some of that ice-cold piss quick. Give him a Chrysler Sebring to drive around. It's got to be so warm by now. Yeah, just the way he likes it. Can you get some of that Fiji Red Bull piss? Get that thing that you got in a little bit. A little bit of warm piss. Not at all. A little warm piss. It's so hard to pour into that tiny little bottle. That's why you drink it with your tongue like a weirdo. The amount of control that you have. That's all we've had to have out of that Red Bull can. Steady hand. Where is it at? It's going to be all over our shit somewhere. Oh, yeah. Somebody's going to be walking around. It's just going to be. He was missing for like an hour today. Why are my feet sticking everywhere? So, you want to know my technique? You want to know the technique that was used? Sure. Okay. So, I didn't spill. Went to the sink, put this in the sink, opened a can, poured it in there. Rinsed off all the spillage. Yep. Nice. 100%. I wouldn't treat this. I'd treat this like my own. My own home. As you should. Manchester United would owe the United States soccer group around $12 million at the Premier League Club, which just fired its manager, Poach, as U.S. men's national team. Oh, so we're getting money. $12 million. Yeah. Send that $12 million to the USA Hockey. Or a sport that matters. Yeah. Hope you're happy, Paunch. This is what you've done to potential U.S. soccer fans. Thank you for the ride you gave us this week. Or maybe cash infusion to the MLS. God knows they could use that $12 million. No. Why would we do that? Why would we do that to the MLS? Because how long are they going to last? $12 million lasts another 15 years. They can run the league over the next. That is not. Do we need 15 more years of the MLS? Well, I'm not going to fucking watch it. Neither are you. Some people out there like it. Soccer does seem to have a long road ahead to gaining steam before the next World Cup, which is in year 2030? Correct. In Portugal. Jeez. In Spain. What were we thinking Mo was going to do? Just hang out here for the next four years coaching us up? Crazy, crazy thought. Yeah, right. That man's got to do his job. After the World Cup, we went and played like Trinidad and Tobago. And he was like, fuck this shit. Get me out of here. Do a T. What am I doing? Could you give Coach Pagano your best Coach Ponchettino motivational speech as he attempts to do the impossible and make one of these football. Yeah. Hang with me here. Because if you remember when Ponch was on the show, it's tough to piece together his English. So. Charlie, I will do go for the American football in hand. You take the football and come to center stage right here. Because we know. Yep. Right there. I don't think at all. Okay. You take the football and like Kurt Russell say, you know, we do believe miracle. I believe. Why not us? So go throw the football in there. Why not us? Grant's on bear. We'll see. Bear is a good kid. He's a tough kid. We use a kid like that on the pitch. Throw the ball in the hoop and let's win some money. Perfect. 30 people. $500. Yeah, right. Oh, man. So close. So close. That was so close. All right. We're getting out of here. Great work, Coach. Felt like I was in there. Change room. Yeah. Chuck, good work this week. See you. See you. See you. See you. See you. Chuck, good work this week, pal. Good job, Charles. Good work, Charlie. Love you, Charlie. Love being here. Love you guys. Picks and throws not as good, but everything else, immaculate. Great work, Tone. Great work this week, pal. You too. Talk to the table. It's been fun hanging with you the last few days, Boise. You too, man. I'm ahead of Boise. Boise. Boise. Boise. I'm ahead to Boise. Quick, John. Way out there, AJ. It's fucking- Way out there. Way out there. It's not as far as like Oregon. It's not as far as like Texas. Way out there. It's not as far as like Oregon or Seattle. But it's close. But it is. It is way out. Can't wait to see. I've never been to Idaho. I've never been. I feel like I've been to a lot of states. Chuck has lived there since he coached there. I can't believe that, honestly. What's that? Just that you live in Idaho. That's just kind of wild. Full time? Grew up in Colorado. True, true. That is a good point. Always saying the praises of Idaho. Has been trying to get us out to Idaho for years now. Years. And now we're heading out there. Can't wait to see the Pagano estate. Can't wait to say grazie tonight to Miss Tina and everything. And we can't wait to see you all tomorrow as we are live on a feel good Friday reacting to this NFC East clash tonight and setting the table for the greatest weekend yet. Yes, dude. Thank you for everything you do. The fact you guys pay attention to our bullshit is the only reason why we get to live the luckiest and dumbest lives of all time. If it wasn't for all of you, we know that this wouldn't exist. So thank you. We love you. And we'll see you tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend. So nice. My change of life. We're in this thing together. Chuck, anything for the team? Love you, boys. Love you, Charlie. Love you, too, Chuck. Team on me. It's easy as that. Week 10, baby. 10. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. The NBA on ESPN is happening now. And we're here for all of it. 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