PMS 2.0 1651 - TNF Preview/Picks, Dalton Kincaid, Kirk Herbstreit, Coach Chuck Pagano, Kendrick Perkins, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to another fabulous Week 7 NFL Kickoff Thursday, October 22nd, 2026. This sports program begins now. Football! It is hard, I'm going to be honest. I was a little gun-shy on it as I sit here for the final day in lovely Los Angeles, the NFL studios. And speaking of the NFL, Week 7 of the NFL season kicks off tonight in a huge, huge way. Two quarterbacks from the 2024 draft class, which might be considered the best draft class of all time whenever it's all said and done, will joust on Amazon Prime as Drake May, who's hot as a firecracker, takes on Caleb Williams, who came back from a hamstring injury last week and was damn near perfect. Started 10-for-10, ended up 30-for-36, and this is a team that wanted to break the all-time offensive records in all of the NFL's history. Are they back on track doing that after having some time with Case Keenum and Tyson Bajan at quarterback? Caleb Williams is back. Ben Johnson has a new dance move in the locker room after a win. They have the same good-better-best-never-let-it-rest-till-you're-good-is-better-and-you're-better-is-best mantra. But what they are is a team that's trying to get to where the New England Patriots were just last year. New England Patriots were in the Super Bowl. How were they going to bounce back? How were they going to recover? Well, they came out and didn't look so sharp. Leads to the Seahawks on opening night. Wait a minute, are the New England Patriots in trouble? They seemingly have flipped the switch and become very, very hot. Mike Vrabel had a very loud offseason, that's for sure. But as a leader of men in football, he has been nothing short of fantastic everywhere he's been. At the Tennessee Titans, which just beat the Indianapolis Colts for the first win of the season, he led them to AFC number one overall seat. He led them to having the most amount of wins in the AFC South over the last ten years. Then he was let go out of his contract. Went to Cleveland Browns as an independent contractor, consultant-type guy. And then whenever the New England Patriots job opens up, Mike Vrabel is back in the place where he won Super Bowls, where he's a legend, where he's an icon, where he's in the Ring of Honor, I do believe. And now he gets a chance to lead them, potentially, to a back-to-back Super Bowl appearance. Now, it didn't feel like that was going to be the case at the beginning of the season. Drake May seemingly regressed, and then he got really hot. How will tonight be? We shall see. Kirk Herbstreit will join us in about 15. We can't wait to catch up with him. It's not just me here in beautiful Los Angeles. It's also a man who was a former ship painter. Bubba Gumpinos here. Gumpy! Hey, Gumpy! Happy football. Kick off, everybody. Yeah, happy football kickoff to you as well, Gumpy. Miami Dolphins going to get good quick, right, Gumpy? Plus five and a half. Big win coming against the Jets on Sunday. Miami Hurricanes, number one team in the country, though. Gumpy! Yes, sir. Hotel you're staying in had no power for 24 hours, Gumpy! Yes, sir. I didn't know that was possible in the Lord's year 2026, but full power outage at an entire hotel is certainly throwing a wrench in some things, but we are incredibly lucky and thankful to be here. The boys are back in the Thunderdome in Indianapolis, Indiana, including a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Hawko. Hawko, what's up, buddy? Hello! How you doing, man? I'm doing great, man. Happy kickoff football Friday or football Thursday, as Gumpy said. Sorry, he threw me off a little bit on that one. What is wrong with you? Are you okay? There's a pregnant pause, as they say, and I'm not sure if you wanted me to speak. If you were done speaking yet, I was thinking of Gumpy and his intro. Intro to the show, and obviously his love for the University of Miami. We know he's been on the bandwagon since at least 2022, so yeah, Gumpy is pumped about his Miami Hurricanes. Yeah, yeah. I think Gumpy had a good intro to the show. I think I did that, actually. I think I did the intro to the show, and I think Thursday is always the NFL kickoff. It has been for some time. Let's go to the talks table at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. What year do we think the NFL started doing Thursday night kickoffs for their weekly scheduling? I think 10 years. 2005? I think 2007. I played in a game in Dallas. I was on NFL Network on Thursday night. I think it was one of the first ones. Maybe 2008. Okay, so maybe 20 years or so. So it is kickoff Friday, I guess, A.J., in your brain, and that's what I like about you. Goldfish. Who cares? We're living in the moment, and tonight the NFC North is represented by the Chicago Bears. A.J., this is potentially a rivalry that could end up with these two quarterbacks. Jousting on the biggest stage multiple times in the Super Bowl. Representing the AFC, who's already done it, Drake May and the New England Patriots out of the 2024 draft class. Representing the NFC out of the 2024 draft class, Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears with Ben Johnson. On the biggest stage, 600 plus million people are going to watch him play numerous times in the Super Bowl. That's what we potentially have in store tonight is a preview of what the future looks like. Do you agree with that sentiment, A.J., that this could potentially be what the Super Bowl looks like? Maybe three, four, five, six, seven. Eight times in the future as these lads hope to represent their respective conferences. Well, I mean, any time you have an AFC team playing an NFC team, yeah, technically it is potentially a Super Bowl matchup. It's not the first thing, I guess, I thought of when I saw this matchup, saying this is, hey, we're going to be watching the Super Bowl preview for the next five or six years. I know that was some other people's. Fifteen years, twenty years. The Patriots were in the Super Bowl last year. The Bears were not, obviously. We know they're a much, much improved team with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. I'm glad he's back in the lineup. But I guess the first thing on my head, on my mind, was not that, hey, this could potentially be a Super Bowl matchup for years to come. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Dodd. Cowboys, AP tone. Patriots getting three points tonight. How do you feel about it, Tone? I feel really good. If you're a Patriots fan, the dog has covered ten straight primetime games, which is a pretty good run in that situation. And Mike Vrabel is one of two head coaches who actually have a winning record. As a dog. I believe he's like 27 and 25 now. The only other person to do that is Matt LaFleur. Fun fact. So, Vrabel is great in this position. Primetime dogs have been great. I kind of like it if you're a Pats fan. Okay, if you're a Pats fan, you've got to like a lot of things sitting at four and two with where you were at the beginning of the year. But you see that number four with the four wins. Let's go to the talks tables at Boston Corner. Who have you really beat, though? Have you guys really beat anybody? You know, like, is it Chicago Bears? Oh. Yeah. We've watched them. Absolutely. Cook, only favored by three. Who have the Patriots really beat this year, Con Man? Well, they dismantled the Pittsburgh Steelers, the number one team in the AFC North, some would say, pretty, pretty well at home. That'd be one. Oh, really? Anybody else? So did the Pittsburgh Steelers. They didn't have it figured out yet. Aaron Rodgers wasn't there yet. Mike McCarthy still had a healthy ankle. They haven't figured out yet. Who else have you beat, though? That's true. We also hung 45 on the new trendy Las Vegas Raiders, held them to under 20 points. That was pretty, pretty dominant of a win, you could say, as well. Really? Because the Raiders have been keeping games very close. We all think they're maybe next. So you're saying you guys beat the hell out of it. Did you beat anybody else, though? There's nobody else that you beat that was pretty good, were you? Yeah, actually, we're the only team this year to successfully dismantle Josh Allen. We beat the shit out of the Bills on the road, actually, nonetheless. So, yeah, when you kind of stack the New England Patriots wins, not even including the Jets, when you stack those three wins against, everyone else in the NFL, you could argue, probably three of the better wins across the board for the New England Patriots. Not too easy of a schedule, you could say. Yeah, because I much, well, last year you guys had the easiest schedule. I remember you guys were scheduled merchants. I didn't know you had that many big-time wins because I genuinely believe that the Buffalo Bills are one of the best teams in all of ball right now. I forgot you guys went up there and got a huge win over the Buffalo Bills because all I could think about is what happened with the Jags. Isn't that kind of what it gets brought up and hung over your head all the time? Con man as a whole is the Patriots. What happened with the Jags? I think not enough people have enough respect for the Jags, but the Jags did it to you guys earlier this year, did they not? Yeah, for sure they did. It was 35-6 on the road in Jacksonville. It was a dismantling. They did beat the crap out of us, and that's when we were 1-2. We've rattled off three straight since the NFL ranked us in their power rankings after Week 3 at No. 31, and it felt like everyone kind of just wrote the pats off. They have been banged up against the Bills, actually. To your point, we won without Christian Gonzalez and A.J. Brown. They're arguably two of our top three players, so that is the other thing as well. The Patriots have kind of been able to win despite being littered with injuries, as many, many teams are right now. But yeah, after that Jags dismantling, people were really high on the Jags, kind of forgot about the pats. Kind of perfect for New England Patriots fans because now we've just been stacking them, stacking them, stacking them, and now hopefully tonight, primetime, everyone gets to watch just them play a football game, and hopefully we can prove that it's not just scheduled merchants. Like you mentioned, it's more so, hey, this team's for real once again. I like that the Massos can always find a reason to be spiteful or find a chip on their shoulder. The Patriots are all the way back, seemingly. That AFC East has a team that has been very dominant in it, and we are incredibly lucky and thankful to announce that, ladies and gentlemen, this weekend. College game day is heading back to the lovely state of Utah. The Utes have represented very well. Very well in college football for a while. The mighty Utah student section has continued to be one of the largest, most dominant, and loud groups of humans to ever be assembled in any situation ever. College game day on Saturday morning, we're expecting to be an absolute blast. We hope you will join us. The man who will be representing the Utah Utes as a celebrity guest picker is not only a football legend and icon, not only a touchdown catcher for Josh Allen, not only a man that's very tall, very athletic, very handsome, but a man who's now going to try to top what Steve Young did less than a week ago when he went a perfect 10 for 10 on the Utes. his picks a man is going to do the same damn thing this weekend tight end for the buffalo bills how you doing brother i appreciate you so much for uh for joining us here dalton getting back to utah this weekend gonna do some guest picking how do you feel and uh do you know steve young went 10 for 10 just last weekend nothing no sweat brother no sweat trying to follow that entire thing yeah uh unfortunately my pickings last week i think i went uh one for 10 in the tight end room so i got some uh i got a little battle ahead but uh first game back at utah um a night game at utah you know those are special uh it should be a great atmosphere great experience and uh yeah i guess i do have to try to top steve young yeah definitely him going 10 for 10 is outrageous especially with the unpredictability of the sport and what happened on saturday is the first time ever you've been on the show five of the top seven lose so absolute insanity nobody's expecting you to be perfect i am excited for you to be with us thank you for agreeing to do it can you tell me a little bit about the turnover happening in utah right now coach scally and where winningham leaves how have has he kept the alumni connected because i know he's been there for a long time and how do you feel about the current trajectory of the squad squad with him in charge i mean what starting six and oh it's it's hard not to you know feel real good about what he's doing with the program he was my defense coordinator when i was there so he you know he interacted with me uh a lot more than i feel like defense coordinators normally do and and his his main thing has been you know getting alumni back to campus and keeping those guys involved and uh i think he's doing a great job of that um just seeing some some people show up uh for some home games some people coming back to utah so it's uh my first time ever coming back for a game um and one i'm really excited for where are you right now that looks gorgeous behind you yeah i'm really excited about it i'm really this is not buffalo new york this is uh this is austin texas believe it or not oh my god good for you you've earned all of that uh can you tell me a little bit about the bills this year we just had to talk obviously about a loss that you guys have the only one sorry the patriots are playing tonight you know you know what it is i mean we would do it if uh any other team was playing tonight and you had beat them which you had beat everybody but the patriots let's not talk about that though let's talk about what you that offense josh allen and this you know new head coach and joe brady are being able to kind of accomplish so quickly how do you feel about where the bills are right now and your offense is seemingly unstoppable is that how you guys feel as well and is that the goal every single drive i mean yeah the goal every single drive is just to go get points um obviously you want to get touchdowns in this league but you know that's the important thing but uh you know josh has just been balling out this year and uh just feel like everything's kind of clicking joe brady is doing a fantastic job with kind of dialing stuff keeping the offense having some fresh new looks but uh um i think it's just kind of been a seamless transition you know joe's implemented you know everything he's wanted to do and um you know his main thing is just put the football down let's just go play it doesn't really matter where when what the situation is you know a game on the line like let's just go out there and do it young culture youth culture joe brady first year as the head coach he stays in the system jim leonard new dc you just talked about coach scally being your defense coordinator utah coming to talk to you can you tell me a little bit about what's going on in the system and what's going on in the team so tell me a little bit about how jim leonard is in his role with you guys and how he is in the building former player so i assume fits in magically with the culture you guys have up there yeah no jim's awesome um a little more quiet than uh morgan scally i'd say but uh the more you get to know him you know the more he kind of opens up a little bit but um you know obviously having the bye week right now is pretty nice it's early bye but just being able to do some self-scout and everything i feel like we're going to come out and and kind of just be firing at all cylinders i think that's kind of the goal you know with the bye weeks just come back feeling good and fresh all right well i don't know what you're doing out there in the middle of seemingly nowhere i'm trying to look behind you is that a mush is that a force is that just great what is behind you there it's a little pool right here and uh i think it's lake austin or lake travis is down there uh yeah i enjoy this a little bit i think salt lake's a little chillier this weekend so um it's about 80 out here right now trying to enjoy the sun before it disappears in buffalo for the about five months hey man we're out in indiana dude you don't see it for a while that sun is uh that sun becomes quite a stranger there for a while and when it comes back it is spectacular for you guys the start has been magical we can't wait to see you on saturday thank you for joining us brother absolutely thanks for having me i'll see you saturday ladies and gentlemen that's dalton kinkade aj i like dalton kinkade getting a chance to go back i also like that morgan scally because he was hired from within his job he's a great guy he's a great guy he's a great guy he's a great guy trying to keep the contacts with the alumni that's a huge part of everything your organization uh if you see that you still have respect for tradition and those behind you it can help with recruiting it also gives the guys something to still feel attached to whenever a new coach comes in usually guys lose the connection and that's a huge part of their lives their college football team so i like that morgan was hired from within and has remained um diligent on those relationships aj yeah don't you think if you let's say you took a job like as a head coach somewhere whether it's nfl or college the first one of the first things you do is try to organize like a an alumni weekend or try to some kind of mass email or somehow let everybody know that played there like that's in good standing with the organization like hey you're welcome back at any time like please come back and and impart your wisdom to our young players here yeah i think it's a huge deal i i think it's a big like statement to everybody on what you're about too like that's san francisco 49ers alumni night the other night i've never seen i'm being serious dumpy was it 150 guys i they were maybe announced 150 guys yeah it was unbelievable you forget almost because the niners have been great for so many years in the past they just kept coming and coming montana young all of them is incredible to see it was like 150 announcements i i the pa announcer how about jack blah blah blah and yeah flying back to youngstown didn't i know steve young and them talked about they used to like have big get-togethers back in youngstown with a lot of the 49ers players like after they would obviously won multiple super bowls but yeah that's a that's the thing that you don't see at every nfl team no and even if there is an alumni it's like five to ten of them five to ten guys this was a hundred guys being announced i think the i don't know how they project how much time that's gonna take to announce all those people like to fit into the game schedule because there's so much that you got to get in before the kickoff and like this is when the national anthem is happening this one flyover is happening this one kickoff is happening this one intros are happening like everything's to the minute so for them very close to game time i mean that was the last time out probably before kickoff being like we'll announce every single alumni that comes here i've never seen that before there that list had to be six pages long but it also told me like man look how much these guys love the niners like santa claire is not easy to get to i'm sure a lot of those guys aren't living in there i don't know maybe they are but i'm sure a lot of guys traveled in for that to get up there to be able to do that and represent them for the franchise i loved all of it i loved everything about it there was big pops for people that i'd never heard obviously like local heroes get a big time pop and then they saved joe and steve for close to last and just the eruption from that place was uh it was special shout out to utah can't wait to get out there joining us now ladies and gentlemen as a man who's going to be on a call tonight alongside al michaels for potentially a preview aj is it potentially you are potentially you are correct you gotta remember this guy's a green bay packer i said this this morning whenever i called back to the boys at thunderdome i said this is maybe like a preview of a couple you didn't say maybe you were very certain like you said the next we could be seeing this matchup the next five to ten years in the super bowl is from what i heard coming through that well well i said like 15 20. i was actually a little bit more dramatic but it is it is a potential preview of how good these guys are so young it's like so early in their careers things have happened now drake has already made to the super bowl so like he's checked a box hasn't won a super bowl which is a whole another one that's going to be held over his head and caleb's head forever but both these guys we could all see playing against each other in super bowl numerous times over the next 15 years and aj says the bears are we talking about the bears does caleb play for the bears and i love that response from you aj because you're a green bay packer and the rivalry runs deep joining us now is a man who might be able to give us a little bit more detail on how both these lads feel going into this week seven kickoff thursday aj ladies and gentlemen the voice of thursday night football on amazon prime what's up boys herbie i don't know if you saw at the beginning after i did it i did i did yeah yeah friday is your fight friday's kickoff day it's friday it's thursday don't take the abuse aj it's not abuse i'm okay i can handle it he's abusing us i love adversity kirk that's how it works he's abusing us my ears had to hear the kickoff nfl kicks off its week on fridays that hasn't happened for two decades i'm uh you know that's a little problematic for me herbie okay let's let's talk about tonight's kickoff this is a good one this is a good one herbie uh we'll get into dalton kincaid being the guest picker here uh at the end whenever we dive into college ball which we are all excited about i know you're pumped up about as well you you know him pretty well from thursday football and stuff but drake may caleb williams on thursday night football this is showcase of the now and potentially the next 20 years i know you're jacked up i know michaels is i know amazon is but can you tell me a little bit about what you expect from these two as we got got great defenses playing the night as well do we not yeah yeah i'm with you man i i it does feel like that you know it does feel like with not just the young quarterbacks but with the head coaches um they've really done a great job of developing cultures that can sustain a certain level i mean when ben johnson went into chicago what he was you know facing not just he did he have a talented quarterback but they were trying to build pieces around caleb williams when he first got there and they they've done that you know with offensive line play with obviously receivers tight ends um running backs the whole thing so i mean and they're playing great defense so dennis allen is uh is an aggressive guy we've seen the success that he's had i don't know if coach is is there or not but he could tell you a lot about dennis allen his reputation going back to new orleans um you know i i feel that they've got the pieces on that side of the ball that's going to give them um a much better defense than they were a year ago uh i think i think uh it's this rookie malik muhammad out of texas gives him better coverage ability on the outside uh you know the other thing about it is this is a team in chicago that i think has gotten in year two with ben johnson to kind of understand he's demanding you know he is super demanding and he and caleb williams when they first got together that was that was a really interesting relationship you know behind closed closed doors and those two just get on the same page we're actually more caleb trying to get on the same page with ben johnson because we all know about caleb williams he's always made the spectacular off-schedule play whether it was at high school oklahoma usc or rookie year at chicago but we always would say man i wish he would just make the easy play you know take the layup you know and you don't always have to be superman and what he's learned i think in a year and now six games with with ben johnson is and you saw it last week in the video you're seeing he's playing now with with great greater patience he's allowing the plays to develop and he's working through his progressions he still has that superman power he's just not always pulling that trigger and so if you're new england tonight defensively first things first by the way you guys know this as much as caleb williams and these receivers get all the attention if you really know ben johnson and foxy knows it's going back to his detroit days it really starts with their their physical running game i mean it's a downhill thumping run the football team with an offensive line that reminds me a lot of what they what he had in detroit i mean they're they're aggressive they're nasty and what's great about that matchup tonight new england defensively prides themselves on being nasty you want to go to a street alley come on i'll go to a street alley so i i love that aspect of this game that the the defense from new england who might be my favorite unit in the nfl because they're a bunch of undrafted free agents a bunch of guys that have been released throughout their careers they've won first rounder gonzo at corner they are a nasty lunch pail just eff it kind of team and i know drake may gets a lot of the attention but what zach kerr has done as a defensive coordinator remember that story last year terrell williams had some health issues in camp and couldn't go and zach kerr who was he was like an analyst just four years ago and now he's the defensive coordinator of mike vrabel team and led them you know it was a bit not led them but was a big part of getting them to the super bowl and i talked with him this morning just going through some of his personnel and man it's just so refreshing to see guys they don't have a lot of superstars but they play as a unit and they've got um like i said an attitude about them so to put the bears offense with ben johnson who's like we're coming to whip your ass and pose our will and new england's defense it's like you may not know any of our names and we're going to whip your ass i mean how great of a matchup is that so that's a great uh a great side of the ball that i'm really fired up about and then drake may you know i i don't know the first three games uh i don't know if connor felt this or not but there are a lot of people on social media talking about well this guy's not what we thought you know this guy's turning it over he's not making good decisions in the last three games he's been obviously much better they seem to found um kind of a rhythm they've had a ton of injuries up front on their offensive line they're down to like their i think their fourth and fifth or fifth i gotta look at my notes like their fifth and sixth offensive guards i mean that's how beat up they are uh on the offensive line but i and dobbs is down he made a touchdown catch last week he ends up going down after that play and he'll be he's on ir i think it's this play right here actually where he scores huge play but you can see he's right there and he was done so anyway i i think this will be a a great game i think drake may's settled in and he's playing a lot better he's not trying to make plays i think with some of the new players around him he felt at times like he had to make plays i think that backfired on him early in the year and now he's just kind of letting the game come to him like he did last year and uh should be a good one man i'm fired up can't wait to get over there yeah i felt like a a switch was flipped by drake may and he got really good again really quickly a.j. brown being his weapon is certainly a convo that has happened since he got there last week he comes back has a couple drops and then the onside kick also goes to him it doesn't end up being fantastic what do you expect out of him and what is the conversation around a.j. brown with the new england patriots just get ready it's a matter of time i mean with the drops and and even on the onside kick the hands team the ball going through his hands it's a.j. brown i mean he's coming back from a high ankle he was out he's just trying to get his feet under him and and and just get his rhythm back i i'd be shocked if he doesn't play incredibly well i mean this offense when they got him it was like oh my gosh you know they finally have a difference maker i mean you got to go back to jules julian edmund or or um or gronk the last time that they had a a player on the perimeter that scared you and now they have that so i i don't really care what happened last week um more importantly drake may doesn't care about what happened last week he's gonna go right as soon as he sees an opportunity to get him the ball he's gonna get him the ball and i think that second game back after after dealing with the injury is gonna allow him to to play more like you'd expect him to play trust me josh mcdaniels he's gonna dial him up drake may they're gonna they have they're not even obviously even flinching thinking about anything i just think it was him just down for a few weeks and and just trying to get back into rhythm but yeah you're right about drake may i i think more than anything like when i talked to josh he said we haven't changed anything from week one week two week three what we've done these last four weeks he said it's just a matter of when you play that position in this system and you've got revolving door on the offensive line and you you were hoping to have aj brown then he's out you got dobbs who's a new guy coming over from green bay it just it takes time to create trust and and rhythm and comfort and when the first few weeks i think he had to learn the hard way he's still a young guy as much as success as he had last year he's still a young guy learning and so i think what he learned you know early in the year was i can't try to force things i can't try to make plays i i gotta i gotta let the game come to me and i think he's done that the last few weeks and i'd be surprised uh if that doesn't continue tonight against chicago although this is a really good defense dennis allen has a group right now that's playing well you saw what kyler gordon yep you saw what kyler gordon did coming back right here coming off the blitz he had three sacks first game of the year three sacks as a nickel two forced fumbles it's like one of the best games we've ever seen from a defensive back and he what they want to do is obviously get you down like a lot of these defenses in the nfl get you to third and six third and seven and then just dial it up in a multiple of different ways i mean they are super multiple um very hard for the offensive line to get a handle on where the the pressure is coming from so you know if you're new england on the road short week it would behoove them to stay on schedule not not deal with a lot of third and seven third and eight that would not be a good night for this offense they got to win on first down stay at that second medium third and short and and try to build some consistency that way tonight i love a good behoove usage you know i love i like that you drop that in there pretty good smooth too for a six-year-old ohio and i'm pretty impressed 60 you always throw 60 i'm 57 bro dang i didn't know you were in 57 kirk wow i thought you were 60 for sure okay it's 57 year old six uh ohioan i will make sure lebron james is proud to be in ohio in the other night i saw that i saw that he said i don't know what you're like i'm not from i'm not from the midwest i'm from ohio no i think he said i was in the midwest yeah i think he i think because they were talking about him being from la like they were like saying yeah i think they were saying he i'm not west coast guy yeah he's like no no he's like yeah i'm gonna go west coast yeah he's like no no he's like yeah i'm gonna go ohio don't try me that's what he's basically saying yeah i got he's at enough through here yeah i think he has and if he's on his heel shit like whenever he was with the heats here a heat for this year i'm pumped for that i'm very excited for a lebron james heel run as philadelphia 76ers then he's just hopping in helicopters negotiating into deals and then he's off for running i like tyrese halliburton goes crazy let's not get off topic let's go back to tonight okay connor has a question for you about uh one of the things you brought up here multiple times where you said um you know with new revolving doors at some positions and fifth or sixth guards now connor has a question for that both teams. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Herbert, you mentioned how the Patriots need to stay away from 3rd and 8th, 3rd and 7th, and you were right. I believe they're either on their 4th and 5th or 5th or 6th, depending on if Morgan Moses can go out right tackle when it comes to their guards, because Caleb Lomu, their first-round pick this year, will slide in if he can, but with the injuries for the Patriots on their O-line, I know the Bears have a couple injuries at linebacker tonight. They also have Jonah Jackson, who's going to give it a go on their offensive line depending on how he feels, but do you expect them to specifically scheme up both sides of the ball for Chicago and for New England based on their injuries? Are you expecting kind of more of a quick game from New England because of the injuries at O-line, just get the ball out and for Chicago, you know, do you expect them to kind of bring a little bit more pressure because of their injuries at linebacker? What is kind of your expectation of how these teams adjust to the teams that, you know, they're injured? First of all, you know Vrabes, and you know how he has that next man mentality up, and that's getting tested right now with these injuries on this offensive line. Based on the way they played last week when they sustained all those injuries, by the way, just for fans who didn't watch New England last week in their game against the Jets, when we say they're down to their last offensive lineman, literally, Josh McDaniel said Hunter Henry was our next guard. He's a starting tight end, and I mean, they were completely depleted. And so, but what was shocking Connor is, they still were, they're still moving the ball. Like, they're still, it's not like, oh, we got our fourth and fifth guard in, let's abort our plan. They kind of stuck to the plan. I think it's really a credit to Doug Marone, the offensive line coach, and Josh McDaniels, and really the whole offensive staff that personally, I didn't feel like they missed a beat. I didn't feel like, oh man, there's a ton of penetration, or there's, you know, oh, they're having to completely change things. They kind of just kept, doing what they do. And that was in the middle of a game that they're doing that. And I mean, it really, it's really a testament to these guys in the film room, and in the room listening, you think about being the fourth or fifth guard, how easy it would be to drift mentally and not prepare like you might play. I mean, I've been a lot of guys fall into that, and these guys clearly did not. I mean, they got right in there and did not miss a beat. So I would be surprised if they change their approach. I think that they're going to get, just the challenge for, I think, Josh McDaniels is the respect that he has for Dennis Allen and the way the Bears' defense is playing. But I don't think that they're going to say, well, we've got to change, and we've got to roll out, move the launch point. Now, they've been getting the ball out of his hands. I think it's like 2.8 seconds. Drake Mays getting the ball out. So that's kind of who they are to begin with. And Drake, as you guys know, the one thing that I think sometimes gets overlooked with him is how he can create. You know, we talk a lot about Caleb Williams creating. Well, Drake Mays is a hell of an athlete. I mean, growing up his whole life, being the youngest brother, his older brothers were just dominating in, yeah, basketball, baseball, everything. And he's the young guy that's that, you know, imagine being 7, 8, 9, 10. AJ, you have young kids. I mean, you know what that's like, the youngest guys who's trying to keep up. That was Drake Mays' whole life. And playing, depending on the season, we're changing sports. And so, I think they'll move him around. But I think that would be the plan anyway. And TJ Edwards is the linebacker you're talking about from the Bears. But I'll tell you what, man, so far, even though he's the leader of that defense, they've done a pretty good job. Devin Bush, Noah Sewell, DeMarco Jackson, they got three guys that they rotate in there. And then I think Kyler Gordon coming back last week, and he'll be back this week as well, at that nickel spot. I think they feel pretty good about that second level of this defense this week. Yeah, and I point out that Drake Mays is a hooper strictly because every everybody that's able to shake people and get open are all hoopers. People forget Drake Mays like D1 Hooper, right? Drake Mays could have been a D1 Hooper if he wanted to. Crazy dunks in high school, I feel like, watching his game footage. Yeah, and I think he was like a guy-guy from my understanding. Am I right with that? Yes, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he didn't play football and he just wanted to chase basketball, he would have definitely had an opportunity. But I think as time went on for him, he started to realize that, you know, football is my calling and the quarterback position is where I really want to try to push this and see how far I can go. Obviously, it worked out for him. What was that? That was up in Detroit, the 2024 draft? I think so, right? Because. Is it Detroit? Yeah. So we saw Drake coming in night before draft. It was late. It was like probably 9, 30, 10-ish? Yeah, maybe even later because it was after we had dinner already. Yeah, so 10, 30, 11-ish. We saw him come in with his whole family. They found a gym. He was just shooting. He's putting up like 150 shots or something like that. I love that. Dripping sweat. Yeah, just full drench, full sweat. It was like 10, 30, 11 the night before the draft. And he had just got done putting away. So whenever you talk about it, nobody talks about his ability. It's like he can shake, too. It's not just like run, get out. He is. He led North Carolina in rushing and passing, I think, his junior year. Imagine growing up in that family. It's not like he just had older brothers. One brother won the national championship in basketball. The other was a pitcher. He won the national championship in baseball at the University of Florida. You've seen the video of them golfing together. They all just used to pound on him. That's his job as a little brother to just get pounded on. And so what a benefit to be that little brother that grew up just getting beaten up on in every sport they played and him trying to prove that he could stay with his older brothers. And now he's in the league and like I said, I think sometimes his competitive spirit early in the year may be trying to force things, just trying to be like, I got to make a play. Got him. But what a great learning opportunity just his third year as a starter to realize, hey, man, I can't be that guy. I've got to get comfortable. I got to trust my guys. I got to trust the system and trust my eyes and just go play. And, you know, his eyes tonight will be important against Dennis Allen's blitz scheme and his legs will be important, especially on third downs tonight. Dennis Allen brings it to third most in the NFL. Flores obviously at number one. And then Dennis Allen is at third. That NFC North has these quarterbacks in potential hell. Here is the highlights of Drake May from high school. We just found this via Carlos A. Lopez tweet. And hey, how you doing? How you doing? I'm Drake May. Very kind. Very nice. I will make every single shot. And then whenever you get me out here, I'm about to go crazy. Give me that, Drake May. Drive in the court. Lefty. Righty. Pass it off. Shake. Shimmy. Step back. Bang. Count it. Trey Baum for Maybaum. Oh, pump fake. Get a foul. And one. No, just so you use the glass. Let me go ahead and hit a little mid-range. Fade away. You got it. My game is impeccable. I hit it from everywhere. That's Drake May basketball. And no look passes. No problem to the big guy who might be like Kessler Walker. Walker Kessler last night with the perfect. So Drake May's balling tonight. We hope he does more than just shoot hoops out there and shake people. We hope he goes through the sky. Herbie, this is what we are on tonight. The name of it is called Air Appearance. Because this could be the future of the NFL. These two quarterbacks. We need Drake May and Caleb to both have 210 pass yards. That has been boosted to plus 100. So it's being boosted to even money. That means it is favorable to happen, but nothing is a guarantee. We've been on quite an L streak, Herbie. So we need this one tonight. So when the boys both go over 210 pass yards, I need you up there to say congratulations, lads. We are happy. I'm doing it. It's no longer miserable. I'm doing that. Thank you. Okay. I'm doing that for you. It's going to happen. You should. We're like 17-3 on the season. So yeah. That's right. Yeah, but you should be responsible if you gamble with us on this. You should not be an asshole. Okay? Do not ruin it for us all. Okay? You need to gamble responsibly. We are setting the tone for future generations of sports gamblers. So let's go ahead and dabble. Let's make the game a little bit better if we have the means for it. And let's go this coast to coast. Let's gamble responsibly. This is what we're on tonight as a team, right? Dumpy, do you hate it or love it, pal? I absolutely love it, folks. Yes. I like that. Yes. I like that. There's normally some fake enthusiasm from some of the lads. This time, it feels like everybody's jacked up. Plus 100. We appreciate that as well. Okay. Before we move on to college football. Why don't we add touchdown passes to that? Can we do that? Easy, Herbie. That's how you lose. Slow down. Don't get a winner here, Herbie. Where were you before we put this together, Herbie? Okay. If we got so many of these, you actually can't tell us. Hogs get slaughtered, Herbie. Yeah. Pigs get fed. Hogs get slaughtered. We're just hoping for 210 pass yards for both of them to be boosted to plus 100. We need it bad. Before we move to college football, we got one last NFL question. There's a Sam Darnold question back in the Thunderdome. Go ahead, boys. Yeah, Herbie. Obviously, you had them in the Broncos on Thursday night. Sam turned it over a bunch again. A bunch again. Obviously, he led the NFL last year, I believe, in interceptions but was incredible in the playoffs last year. Is there. Do you think there's. Are you worried about Sam Darnold or do you think, you know, he's going to figure it out again and once he gets a run game back, we'll kind of settle down and it'll be fine? Yeah, well, I think that's the big thing. You know, I think there, if anything, I think we all already knew but were reminded of what Kenneth Walker meant to this offense and how important his. Not just his ability to make plays but his presence and how that ability to run the ball and how it opened up play action opportunities for him and Clint Kubiak's system. You know, they want to do the same thing with Brian Fleury who came over from Sam Fran but, you know, nothing against the backs that they're playing with right now, but they're more 225 pound thumpers they just don't have that guy back there right now that puts fear into a defense and hopefully the the rookie price comes back Charbonnet comes back that one-two punch I think Charbonnet is supposed to be back I believe this week I haven't read this week but I remember talking we were getting ready for our game last week they were talking about uh that possibility so if they get Charbonnet that'll help but they really need price that gives them that boom you know that that speed back there but Sam is going to be fine I don't think there's any reason to panic on Sam and what he's doing um I know the turnovers are a problem he's he'd be the first one to tell you you know that that's something he's got to clean up but um long haul for this season I'm not concerned about Sam Darnold at all he just got to get that running game going to become more balanced with their attack yeah the run game assists on everything here's some Hembo stats from last year to this year that Charbonnet coming back or a run game getting established could certainly help SACT 8.4% of time this year only 5.3% of the time last year once again run game helps with that contacts pressures and Max protection all change if you have a run game Kenneth Walker goes to the Chiefs change them completely go ahead Herbie I just want to add to it that if I'm defending them and I talked to Vance Joseph about this last week the Broncos defensive coordinator who's also one of the best in the league and I said man is it as simple as without a running game right now try to try to leverage Jackson uh and and try to make someone else beat you like it's not going to be a good game it's going to be a good game it's going to be a good game like it can you can you roll coverage can you double them can you bracket him try to make any if you're going to beat us tonight Barner the tight end Cooper Cup anybody else is going to put numbers up we're not going to let 11 uh beat us and I think most defenses are going to approach it that way and until Seattle starts to show that they have other pieces that if you go that route we're going to make you pay for it I think they're going to continue to face that and if I'm the quarterback and my go-to guy is is getting bracketed or doubled or rolled up on and I'm trying to find other guys at some point I'm going to get impatient and I'm going to want to try to get him the ball and so um it's going to be interesting to watch the development of the Seattle offense this year and find out what other weapons can they bring to the table to try to create not just going 10 plays and 80 yards but try to create those explosives that that I think we saw a lot of last year when they had Kenneth Walker in that backfield to your point here's a hembo stat about explosive plays a Jackson Smith and jigba verse maybe the rest of his team uh Jackson Smith and jigba targeted 717 yards or over 10 explosives for seven touchdowns all others eight explosives 752 for four touchdowns so to your point we need some other weapons out there in Seattle to emerge for Sam Darnold to maybe get back to what he was playing like late in the season into the playoffs okay let's pivot over to college football a lot of quarterback situations including your alma mater go ahead AJ yeah Kirk he's talking about Ohio State obviously Julian Sane goes down Luke Fahey and Tavian St Claire now I guess they have a bye week they're going to work through it and see I guess we don't know who's going to be on the field to start their next game against when they travel to USC but how do you see this playing out and then I don't know like what does the future look like for uh for Ohio State Buckeyes the rest of this season no I mean that's that's the question right um I I think that first of all we talk a lot about teams that have to go through weekend week out body blows whereas some teams don't have as challenging of a schedule and I think people always think that we're talking about the SEC which is not true that it's true it is in the SEC but look at Ohio State's remaining schedule maybe himbo somebody can throw that up there it it is dawning when you look at what they have by week this week uh USC out on the road um and then that most of their games that they have left are are pretty challenging uh you got USC I know Oregon's down but Oregon still has ability uh Northwestern's a top 25 team you go to Nebraska anytime that can be a challenge and then finish in a rivalry game against Michigan so they really don't have weeks where you can be like let's get a let's get a week where we can get these quarterbacks some reps and try to ease them in to try to find out who's the guy you know like you could do maybe in the non-conference early in the year I mean they're throwing right into the thick of it and and you felt that in the Indiana game last week and Fahey came in I don't know man because AJ I don't know how you might go to practice and know because I'm not living in Columbus when I when I did the Ohio State Texas game week two and I was watching teams warm up and Pat you were there I I don't know if you recognize this but I was I was looking at the field and I was like trying to find um who's the backup quarterback I just assumed it was the big guy right and and it wasn't Fahey was out there throwing it with the twos and I was like wow and I I talked to some of the Ohio State staff and they and so he just kind of emerged as the guy now I have no idea what they're going to do in this situation um it's not like people were in all of what he did when he came in in his defense true freshman coming in in a really tough situation against a great defense in a tough environment by the way tip of the cap to Indiana I know they lost the game but they're they're the team that you know the quarterback's going to have to continue to make plays but IU is you know I picked them to go to the national title at the beginning of the year I don't feel real bad about that right now I think Hoover's going to have to continue to do obviously uh make the plays it's going to be needed to be made in these big games especially on the road this week at Ann Arbor this would be a great test coming off of a disappointing loss where you're a few inches away from beating Ohio State but they I think that again what we're realizing about Indiana is what we probably already knew that no matter who's on that roster this is a perennial power they are a top five top seven doesn't matter who's going doesn't matter who's coming as long as signetti is there uh they're the real deal and I think they proved that to me in that game against Ohio State even though they came up a little bit short but AJ to answer your question I I'm supposed to talk to Ryan Day uh today and kind of pick his brain a little bit and find out but I'd love to uh to find out how they're gonna handle that what are you gonna say when you talk to him that's a good question I'm gonna ask him how the quarterback how the quarterback situations plan out which uh which guy's he gonna go hey would you is it possible you play too early and you let you give him the hot hand like how do we how do we work yeah I don't I don't know if he's already that's what I want to know I don't know if he's already made up his mind based on what he's seen from camp and these first five or six weeks and he already knows what he wants to do or if with his bi-week he's going to throw him into the good against good let him go against the first team defense and and find out let him face some Blitz and and um and and find out how they do I don't know I until I talk to him I have no idea but I I'm very interested with everything they have at stake I mean they're a team that could make a run and without Julian saying it it definitely kind of has an asterisk by it right now yeah they just beat uh undefeated Indiana who hasn't lost in 22 straight recent update here we believe this is the most recent update this is from uh today at 12 28. Chase Brian at Chase a Brian underscore underscore because they're only one underscore is already taken Ryan day on Luke Fahey and Tavian Sinclair ultimately I make final decision but you take the input from the coaches you take the input from our personnel department then the players as well they're the ones in the huddle with these guys that's what it comes down to so basically I think what he's going to tell you Herbie is smart call everybody else has say I got the power and that is what a head coach is supposed to do especially at the most important position but to your point they can still go on and win the whole damn thing and uh the fact that Indiana is now just understood to be a perennial powerhouse because they have Kurt Cignetti there is crazy to think about where they were a year ago crazy and you picking them to win an Addy you are not a hard or not an easy person to just like turn over like you have some thoughts that have been built up over 30 years of covering the sport where it's like I have seen this this is how this is going to go this is how this can go you're very matter of fact with a lot of things and it is fantastic because the amount of research that you've lived through is second to none but you changing your mind to being like nope if Cignetti's there I've seen enough I believe it I think you'll be able to win games and that's what we're saying right is current I am saying and I think Pat I think the coordinators as you know Shanahan on the offensive side and Brian Haynes on the defensive side how well coached they are um going into the on the road last year to go to Eugene Oregon going to State College going to Iowa City uh and not always having your best game and yet finding a way to win those games I think anybody who's just being fair and just being real you have to acknowledge what this guy has done and the consistency that he's been able to create even losing to Ohio State I mean it wasn't like it was the way they played against Ohio State Ohio State and Columbus three years ago when it was like okay they're they're not they're a good cute story but they're not ready for this and then they just kept going and kept going and kept going so man I'm all in um it took me a while to get there middle of last year is where I started to say this this is no longer just a a cute story these guys are not going anywhere and the reason you can say that is how sound they are how how fundamentally sound they are they don't hurt themselves and now for them to go where they want to go Josh Hoover just like Fernando last year he's going he's the key because because their margin of error isn't isn't real big like they they've got to go out there and and they've got to be the offense that they're capable of being and if if Hoover like right now I'm I'm kind of in on Hoover but I'm not like we were with Fernando last year we were like Fernando last year we'd seen enough we're like okay I think we're still like this weekend's a great example how will Hoover do against a desperate Michigan football team changing quarterbacks you know what it's like when you go to that backup quarterback there's so much energy it's like a a newfound belief and that's what indiana's walking into so that's a that's a tough environment to to deal with and this is a great opportunity for us to learn about who josh hoover is as in an indiana uniform we know about him in a tcu uniform this is the week we really learn not last week to me this week is where we really learn about iu and how real they can be seven point favorites going into an unranked michigan but michigan's defense is a problem aj michigan's defense might be the best in the damn country they might actually be the best defense in the country and now hoover's got to go in there as a seven point favorite after losing to ohio state that is a tough well i guess we learn a lot about hoover to herbie's point aj this weekend yeah we will and i think that michigan team they they new quarterback steps in and you know you know what happens when a new quarterback comes in breathe breathe some life into that team so i think michigan yeah this will be a telling game i think it'll be interesting to watch seven points seems like a lot yeah probably over i'm not necessarily thrilled about that you know and uh no no but but at the same time you know how it is if you're a competitor this is your chance to really put a stamp great opportunity on the indiana 2016 um i'm just looking at the board there the old miss texas game i'm actually after game day i'm flying over to austin to call that game i i don't know how you guys feel this feels like a pivotal game for sark for arch for texas like i i i feel like with the way you're playing you're playing with the way you're playing with the way you're playing with the way you're playing with the way you're playing with the way you're playing with this thing has been trending after tennessee this game uh you know at home some of the annex on the field it just feels like if this game goes sideways i i it's just gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be very interesting to feel the energy in the stadium and and to feel you know you and i talked about sark before uh pat um you know i i think sark as a coordinator as a head coach i think he's a great offensive mind i think right now um they're in a real you know there's talk about lacy getting some first team reps what what if what if they go three and out three and out and trinidad over there moving the ball and and they're up they're up 10 nothing and and you're going well i'm just saying what happens down there yeah that'd be a seismic shift in all of college football if that decision was to be made michigan already makes the move from very highly touted uh recruit with a high price tag everybody knows the story of bryce underwood he now no longer the starter up there tommy car going in brother of cj car i do believe of the entire family excited for the moment i think some people are really pumped to see what this michigan offense can be with tommy versus bryce bryce gets a chance to sit back now and watch the game and see what happens next is that how the modern athlete works will he sit back watch learn or will he be looking for a new home i guess that is tbd at this point but it seemed like bryce was supportive of his quarterback room and tommy car as a whole which we love and appreciate the arch situation if he was to get pulled in there i mean he has another year of eligibility right tone yeah he does he can he can come back for sure if he wants to now there's a lot of questions what does what do you want to go back to texas would texas want him back there's a lot of questions oh he's got a tone tone i think this weekend this game against old miss could go a long way in determining that question harvey to your point this is one of those games where you if you're texas like a home game might not necessarily be the best thing here like to your point if they go three and out a couple of a row and you start hearing boo birds this is one of those games where you might actually rather prefer to be on the road but we will see and by the way by the way maybe the best player in college football colin simmons he seems to get like a sack like every time a team throws the ball against him he's not playing this week he's out so trying to pressure not not having that that that ability to pressure trinidad chambliss i mean it's gonna be loud out there it could get loud out there herbie and uh that's the state of college football that we're in especially whenever there's big money on the line and big money being paid to people every storyline gets a little bit more saucy hey we appreciate the hell out of you good luck tonight it's a big one on prime this is what you and i were born for yeah all right we appreciate you that's great peter's friend of the program i'll tell you peter and i get along really well peter peter and i get along like very very well i would say i think people would say that i think peter would say that if peter could talk i don't i don't know how much peter peter can actually kind of talk peter doesn't like the crowds as much anymore which i love i think i've talked about that but peter's still like a damn good dog i'd be like he will come over love all you laid down all the dog stuff you need somebody gets a little bit threatening he will kind of what what's that about will he bow up on him does he get will he go yeah nice oh yeah that's why i think he's going to i think he didn't like that cosmo character last week the cougar i think he was just kind of looking at him sideways like any dog would so watching him and herbie's relationship has been a lot of fun this year and watching peter kind of grow into who he's going to be as a dog has been fun as well we love everybody that knows peter loves peter and i think everybody that peter knows peter loves but there are some people that peter does not know that everybody thinks he knows because he's online you know he's a character online so everybody thinks they know everything about peter peter's still a dog you know he's a character online so everybody thinks they know everything about peter you know so peter's still like i don't know you you know there's still a little bit of that and those are my favorite moments because that's when peter's like an actual dog out there you know and like right here i love this moment with him and cosmo going i'm gonna have to see some more from this guy i'm gonna have to sniff around a little bit i immediately came in it was like peter if we want to get so i'm on your side here buddy i'll help out how we have to because peter's a damn good dog man like actually a really good dog and i like how he is uh matured into who he is if that makes sense because at the beginning he was out there in front of the crowds he was on the stage he was running around causing absolute chaos and then i think he made the 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tonight maybe the biggest Thursday night game we've had in some time. The reigning, defending, undisputed AFC champions of last season, the New England Patriots, who lost in a Super Bowl, take on the Chicago Bears, who have had their eyes on the prize of being one of the greatest football teams of all time since the offseason. Caleb Williams back from a hamstring injury. The boys are ready to roll on Amazon Prime. Over under 50 and a half, you know, you start doing some math, that's 26-25 would be a cover. Is there going to be a lot of touchdowns with two great defenses? We shall see. Kirk Herbst, she just joined us. He's excited about the matchups. He's pumped to kick this thing off. It's not just me and Gumpy out here in LA. Back in the DraftKings Thunderdome, there's a great cast of characters, including college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Hawko. Hawko, how do you feel about this evening's game? Do you know which way you're leaning for your pick, or are you currently waffling waiting for Chuck Pagano to join us here in a matter of moments? Well, yes, I do never. I never like to fully commit to my pick until I hear what Chuck has to say, but I am leaning hard in one direction right now. So I want to see if Chuck can change my mind. yeah but you're a biased man you hate the Chicago Bears I mean I don't know if that's the case honestly I mean I don't I guess I am a little bit biased towards them I was in Green Bay for nine years but I still like respect and understand what they are and what they have and the great quarterback and coach and the rest of their squad but uh yeah maybe I'm a tiny bit biased but we'll see I don't know yeah it felt like you're a bit biased whenever I mentioned the thought of these two teams playing each other in the Super Bowl a couple times over the next 15 or 20 years as you said. So that is what caught me off guard a little bit. Automatically putting these teams in the Super Bowl. Well, 15, 20 years is a big window. I mean, that's a lot of years to potentially make the Super Bowl if you're these two squads. I thought you meant every year for the next 15 to 20 is how I took it. No! Nobody's going to do that. Not even Tom Brady was able to go every single year to the Super Bowl. It was every other year for like 25 years or something like that. And then Patrick Mahomes started doing it. It's very difficult to make it to the Super Bowl. You've got to get very lucky. You've got to remain very healthy. But if these two teams are both of those things and get both of those things, there's a chance we're seeing them battle on the biggest stage. The talk's at the table here at Boston Conner, at Ty Schmidt. Con man, we chit-chatted about the resume that the Patriots have. Chicago Bears have a couple poop games in their history for this particular short season as well. I mean, what happened against that Viking squad in the downpour whenever injuries happen? Ugly game. There's been a couple others. Ugly game. But whenever they're clicking, whenever they're rolling, that offense is seemingly unstoppable. We like the way Coach Vrabel is going to scheme them up. What are your thoughts on slowing down Caleb if he is, in fact, all the way back after the hamstring injury? Yeah, in my mind, you just kind of take the plan that you had against Josh Allen and the Bills and you say, hey, we're going to do the exact same thing for Caleb Williams and the Bears. You know, being able to play Josh Allen twice a year, kind of the familiarity of a quarterback who can do exactly what we're seeing on the screen right now. Extend plays, make ridiculous throws and find the open guy. It does feel like we can kind of use that type of plan. And I think we just try and get after him. You know, Herbie kind of mentioned it. There are a lot of chip on the shoulder type guys on the New England Patriot defense. And then we have Gonzo, who is top two, top one corner in the entire NFL. So I like the plan as long as it's the same as what we did to Josh Allen. Kind of get after him, keep him in the pocket, make him a pocket passer, which he is. But our secondary has been very, very good, even while it's been banged up. So I'm looking forward to the matchup. I'm not sure about that over-under. That feels very high for a couple teams that are banged up on both sides of the ball. But we'll see what happens. I hope we get points, points, points. Yeah, 15 and a half is a lot of points. I think everybody has respect for Ben Johnson and everybody has respect for the way Drake May has been playing over the last three weeks. So maybe it is a little bit of a scorer. Maybe it will be electrifying. Maybe it will be fireworks. One half of the hammer. Done! Cowboys AP tone. What are you looking at for this evening? What are the percentage of bets on who and where and when and how and why? So it's actually 55% Chicago Bears on the money line and against the spread. So the public is favoring the home team in this one. You know, as I mentioned earlier, a couple things that Vrabel has been incredible as a dog. He's one of the only two coaches over 500 as a dog straight up in his career. And then dogs in primetime. Ten straight if they have covered the spread in this one. So that's something I'll be watching. Then obviously the boost tonight that we are going to boost to even money plus 100 for both quarterbacks to have 210 plus passing yards. The Patriots and Drake May, they average 244 yards passing a game. The Bears average 230 yards passing a game. Not all of those have been with Kaleeb Williams in that situation. The Bears defense actually, sorry, Caleb Williams, that's on me. Bears defense, they're actually 31st in the league in yards per pass. When teams decide to throw the ball, they're 31st against the pass. Patriots, Patriots are in the middle. They were a little bit banged up in the secondary, so I really like the boost tonight, too. I'll be trading that one tonight, boys. I'm out here in California. All 50 states, huh? Yeah, coast to coast, you know, all 50 states. If you're of age and agree to be responsible about it, we'd love for you to come join us on DraftKings. Gumpy, what's your new routine when you wake up in the morning? You got to check the trade markets when you're on the West Coast out here. That's how you start the day, you know. Gumpy feels like a super genius whenever he tells me I'm checking the trade markets this morning. He's a day trader. Got some good trade markets out here in California, and it's kind of gotten a little bit difficult to get used to, you know, because Gumpy and the word trades just don't normally go hand in hand, but I think old buddy's been trading pretty good over here. I think Gumpy has hit a little bit of a trading heater, if I'm not mistaking. Is that right? Yeah, good start to the NBA. I mean, Tyrese last night, just money in the bank. The guy's the best. Good to have him back. Yeah, it was great to have him back. He goes for a double-double. Zubas also allegedly a guy. Luka gets into it with a rookie out of Michigan, a Dominican-American player named. Yaxel Lindenborg. Yeah, I didn't want to get it wrong. That's a great name. Just like the boys back in the Thunderdome, I like a little bit of the juice and the sauce that he's bringing towards Luka, and ESPN stats are telling us that aside from a couple free throws, Luka couldn't get it done against Axel, a guy who was just talking trash to him all game, and then afterwards, Axel and now Golden State and LA are going to play each other a lot. Rookie Axel comes in as a national champion out of Michigan, takes on Luka for the first time, and he comes out after the game and says, I'm disappointed. I have a lot of respect for this guy. He's soft, bro. I'm like, wow. A lot of people say, don't talk trash to Luka. Don't poke the bear. He'll wake up. Well, I guess he was doing that last night, and then he did it after the game, and if we got this next generation of dudes acting like this in the NBA, I think we're in a really good spot. On that note, Lakers pounded Golden State. I mean, just absolute ass beating and a drumming last night. There was a few of those con men across the board as the Stars did some Star stuff day two of the NBA season, including Tyrese Halliburton against the Pelicans con man. Yeah, and it's kind of been the story of the new look teams. You see the Lakers here. You mentioned Walker Kessler. He came over from the Jazz this offseason. He dominated Luka, Austin Reeves. They did their thing. Earlier in the night, it was the new look Timberwolves with LaMelo Ball and Ann Edwards, and Ann Edwards just went, crazy. He had 45-10, and they kind of dismantled the new look Miami Heat with Giannis making his debut for Miami. Giannis still had 35 points. Fantastic night for him, but so far, it was definitely interesting to see the two big men, him and Bad Adebayo, kind of figure it out down low. That was a great game for Minnesota. You mentioned the Pacers. They were down a lot of the game to the Pelicans. They end up coming back with Tyrese leading the way. I think he had 23-12. Fantastic night. It was also really cool postgame. He was emotional just kind of talking about how much it meant to him to be back on the court. I mean, here he is just kind of doing his thing. Spicy P on the other side, kind of being a decoy, if you will, but still, Spicy P with a clean 30 points for him and eight rebounds. It was a wonderful night on the hardwood. I think Tyrese afterwards getting emotional, just putting into perspective all the hard work that he had. We had a chance to see him throughout the entirety of his rehabilitation process. From game seven, tearing his Achilles early in that after starting out very hot, all the way through the battle of last season, having to miss out on a lot of games, miss out on a lot of the lads, miss out on a year of his prime basketball ability as he's recovering. Then he gets hit with shingles, and then he has to battle through that. Can't sweat a bit, and then after the game, I assume Tyrese did not expect this to overcome him, but he had a bunch of emotions, talking about the journey and all the people that assisted him, and for him to get back out there in real time, in real minutes, and put up real numbers, we're incredibly happy for Tyrese. Good for you, Hallie, baby! - Hell yeah, Hallie! - Good for you, Hallie. We actually have a graphic. It's all about the game, and Hallie plays it! Yes, he certainly does. 34 minutes, 23 points, 12 assists. Came in dressed like Triple H whenever he came back in 2001, 2002. One of the greatest comebacks in the history of professional wrestling. He'd go on to become the game, and it's all about the game, and how you play, especially in this business, and what the game would go on to become. He's an icon and a Hall of Famer, and Tyrese was paying tribute after the blown quad to Triple H and his blown Achilles. He's coming back looking to do something more special than he's ever done before. Can't wait to watch this season for Hallie, although it's gonna be hard to find on TV, AJ. It's gonna be hard to find. - Has he worked his way up? I mean, I know the Commish said he could work his way up to ESPN or maybe one of those networks where we can actually find it. Like, how long is it gonna take for him? - Yeah, I don't, I mean, Tyrese didn't need that. Type of motivation. He is a guy that is certainly able to find it whenever he needs it, but him being told, like, "Hey, maybe someday you'll get yourself into ESPN game instead of DAZN." I like what he did here with Derrick Queen. Derrick Queen out of Maryland. We saw him a couple years ago. Tyrese was letting him know that he thought he was a bit soft, and then the entire Pacers organization said, "Excuse me, what do you think's happening here? You think you're gonna be able to fight him, or are you just gonna talk to him? We just wanna let you know nobody's touching our guy." We love that in Indiana. And I like the way the Pacers looked. Let's go back to that Lakers-Warriors game, 127-105. J.J. Redick might have it figured out with his new team. He also might have the right strategy. Just have a guy be perfect. Walker Kessler goes 12 for 12 for 26 points, nine rebounds. This is the second time this guy's done this. You know, he went 10 for 10 whenever he was with the Utah Jazz a few years back. He's in the paint. He lives in there. He might be a real threat for Luka, who can put the ball wherever, whenever, however. Having a perfect night, having a celebration at the end, and getting a chance to say, "Yeah, that's what sports is supposed to be," that had to be a great thing to start the season for Walker Kessler. Just think, AJ, I don't know if you had the same thought immediately upon it happening. It's like, who else has experienced sports perfection? It's not easy. You strive for perfection, you're never going to get there. Having a perfect evening, a perfect season is something that there is so much luck. I believe there's so many other things that kind of go into it. So who else has got a chance to experience this magical thing? We'll tell you, 1972 Miami Dolphins. Only perfect season in the history of the NFL. Every single year, whenever the final undefeated team loses, the 1972 Dolphins pop champagne. The amount of dominance that you have to showcase in every single game, the amount of people you have to keep healthy, and the ability to adapt to be able to beat anybody for an entirety of a season, let alone the mental mindset, stability, to continue to want to battle. Every single week, unbelievable. We'll never see it again. Congrats to the 1972 Dolphins. Hey, let's go to the World Series. How about Don Larson? Perfect game against the Brooklyn Dodgers in Game 5. He faced 27 batters, and guess what he did? He retired them all. Don Larson. Yike! Three. That's an out right there. In a World Series, 1956. Let's go to the 2008 Beijing Olympics, you remember? Do you remember who did what? Oh, Michael Phelps. He went for eight gold medals. Guess what he got? Eight gold medals. I'm coming over here to Beijing with one job in mind. I need to win eight gold medals. Guess what he did when he hopped on that plane back for 27 hours from China? He said, I have eight gold medals. The perfection of Michael Phelps was something that captivated the entire country. Watch his every single mannerism. Let's go to college hoops now, shall we? Let's go to 1992 Elite Eight. Everybody remembers the Christian Leitner finish here. Ah, ah, what a pass. What a turnaround. What a make. On that entire game, people forget he was 10 for 10 from the field and 10 for 10 at the free throw line. Congratulations to Christian Leitner, who has a perfect game that ends with a perfect finish that is seen for decades and decades and generations. Let's stay in college hoops. How about the 1975 Indiana Hoosiers team? You remember them? Yep. Oh, yeah. You remember them? They went undefeated, 32-0. Won the championship 86-68 over Michigan. Bob Knight didn't throw any chairs this particular season. All they did was beat everybody's ass. Let's see. I'm sick with the Indiana Hoosiers. You know who else won perfect? Last year's Indiana Hoosier football team. Kurt Cignetti and the boys. They lost the game. Beat a bunch of top 10s and announced to the world that they were a real program. It's not just the Indiana Hoosier football team. It's also, how about Will Chamberlain in 1967 against the Baltimore Bullets. He had 42 points, 30 rebounds, 10 assists, 18 for 18 from the field. He did miss a couple free throws, though, so we didn't want to necessarily put that particular black. screen up here because he missed a couple free throws, but he was 18 for 18 from the field. And then last night, Walker Kessler, 12 for 12 from the field, 26 points, nine rebounds, one assist. Those are the people that have experienced sports perfection, and I'm sure it was a nice, sound, happy sleep after the game for all of them. Congratulations to them and to a guy who is not perfect at all this season. No, no, no, no. Almost, though. Quite the opposite, actually. No, he's almost perfectly shite. Yeah. Yeah. That's why he's one mishap away from perfectly shite season, which I don't know if we've ever seen before, but a man who's sitting at 1-5 is not able to join us because he's with his family right now. He'll be back in the DraftKings Thunderdome next week. A guy who is going to see it clearly now. 12-5 would not be a bad record, would it? No. No, no, no. We still get there. Ladies and gentlemen, our coach, a man who's been coaching football for 37 years, 18 in college, 19 in the NFL, Chuck Boyd. How's it going? Yay! Holy! Coach, we just went through a bunch of sports perfection there. What are your takeaways from those type of performances? Now, Walker Kessler, not the star of the Lakers. He does a lot of layups. But when you get in a groove and you get grinding, sometimes you can talk yourself out of it. Then whenever you're done with it, you can say, you know what? Not a bad job. Your thoughts on the sports perfection and, more specifically, 1972 Dolphins. Is that ever going to happen again in the NFL? No, you think? No, sir. No. Next to impossible with injuries, the length of the season. How many games was that? How long was that season? Was that 12? 17-0 altogether. Yeah, 17 total. 14 regular season games. 14 regular season, 17 total. Yeah, so we're at 17. Hard to stay healthy, Pat and the boys. They're talking about going to 18. The parity in the league. When you, you know, you stink, you pick first. You know, you stink. And when you're great, you pick last. Salary, all that stuff. So, I don't see that happening. Walker, Kessler, were those all layups? Mm-hmm. No, they were oops, too. They were oops, too. Contested shots. Ah, he said. Boom. Right there. I thought most of those were layups. Yeah, perfection is hard to get to. I like that Yaxel. Chuck's not impressed. Did you hear what Draymond said about Yaxel? Uh-uh. What did he say? They're like, you got your ass whipped, right? So, he should probably shut his mouth. He stopped talking. He's like, hell no. You keep bringing that because we play him three more times. You keep talking that voice. I love that. He did well against them, too. So, I think the young buck is ready for the best in the West, which Luca might be. The East obviously packed. NBA going to have a good season. They already have perfection on opening night for the Lakers and J.J. Redick. Let's turn to tonight. You haven't been back. You haven't been perfect, Coach. Right, A.J.? You haven't been perfect. Who is? Who is? One and five is tough. I don't love how it's going, but it feels like this year's NFL season has been more unpredictable than ever. Tonight, we got a good one. We got two teams that I think both have opportunities and dreams to be Super Bowl champions within the near future. How do you see tonight going, Chuck? What are the things we need to look at as you try to get off the schneid and maybe get a win for the first time? Yeah, this is going to be a good one. It's going to be a great one for Thursday night. I saw you talking to Herbie and stuff, and he laid out a lot of great points and great stats. You look at the tail of the tape. I mean, this is as evenly matched game as we're going to probably have going down the road. You got two great quarterbacks playing at a high level. Caleb comes back last week. He goes 30 for 36, 300-plus yards, no turnovers, three touchdowns. You look at Drake May. His last. Three ballgames, 10 touchdowns, one interception. So, it looks like they've got that fixed. Three games in a row for them. It is a short week. You got two really good defenses. You know, Herbie mentioned Dennis Allen, what he's doing with that Chicago defense. We know they led the NFL last year with takeaways. They're still doing that. They got 17 sacks. They can get after the quarterback. You know, these offensive line injuries for New England. These guys came in. They got two guys, maybe three guys. They're going to be out. Looking at the tape, I thought the backups came in and did a, you know, a decent job against the Jets. And they pulled that one out. They got that win. They also have some injuries in the secondary, Pat, you know, for New England. Carlton Davis, the third, is out, plus two backup corners. So, they're going to be thin there as well. So, two great quarterbacks, offenses that are prolific, can score two, you know, dominant defenses. The thing about Chicago, you look at the things that are highlighted, right? The time of possession is observed for Chicago. 36 minutes of time of possession. They held the ball for 40 damn minutes against the Falcons last week. You know, and you wonder why. God, they really did a great job against B. John. Well, they were down 28-7, 21-7. So, they had to start slinging the ball around with Pennix and really couldn't, you know, afford to be handing the ball off anymore. So. A little bit misleading. They only played 35 snaps earlier in the year, one game. So, this run game for Chicago, the play-action pass, the way that, you know, Caleb is playing, short week. You got injuries, you know, on that offensive line, you know, for New England. Again, I just think it might be too much to overcome. May's going to have to do a great job extending plays, running around, because you know they're going to come after them. And I know Braves and Kerr will do a great job with their game. They'll give Ben and the Chicago offense something they haven't seen, Pat, right? That's a typical Bill Belichick blueprint, right? Is come in and do something that's totally different, whether that's, you know, a jam front or a bare front, sink front, if you will. You know, cover those three inside guys. Whatever it's going to be, you know, have a spy maybe for Caleb running around. So, they'll give them something different. But this Chicago offense is going to be a great game. Chicago offense, the way that they can run the ball, the way that they can control it, probably force a couple turnovers. I like the Bears at home tonight, Pat. Wow! Congrats to the Bears! I'm sure everybody's very pumped in Chicago that you have put maybe a curse or a hex on them at Bears minus three. But I appreciate the way you laid it out. I like that you're pointing out things that are very reasonable. For instance, that offensive line for Drake May has been the question in games. In which they've lost, can he get protection? Does he get blown up? I believe Campbell on the left side has played great this year. year thus far. Is that right, Conman? Oh yeah, and he also has battled through injury. He had a little knee thing and then they thought he was going to miss some time. Turns out he's a tough son of a bitch. Didn't miss one game. But right up the gut there is problematic maybe for Drake May. If he has to eat something in his lap there, and we know Dennis Allen will bring it third most in the entire NFL. AJ, what I forgot about is that Chuck coached for the Chicago Bears, didn't he? I forgot about that. I didn't know that he was going to be trying to get proved wrong for the Chicago Bears as he looked through the tape, and he loved what he saw from Chicago. He's not the only one. AJ has a question for you about tonight, Chuck. Yeah, Chuck, when you're watching this game tonight, I guess if you're the New England defense, what are you trying to do to make Caleb uncomfortable? Are you trying to get him to run around a little bit, test that hammy maybe? I don't know. What would you do if you were the coordinator for the Patriots? Yeah, first and foremost, AJ, they've got to do a great job of slowing down the run game, right? And if they can slow down Swift in that run game and get him in third and long, then I think they can get after him. So, he looked pretty healthy, you know, last week moving around. It doesn't seem like there's an issue there, but I certainly, to your point, would test that out. We've done some things in the past where you can show a 5-6 up look, rush, you know, make it look like you're bringing five, drop one of those guys out as a potential spy, and then get a rush. We used to call it a flush. You know, flush him out away from his throwing hand. We know this guy off-platform. Whether he's going left, going right, can be a problem. Yeah, maybe a little of that, but maybe just make him operate from the pocket. I know his numbers from the pocket this year are way better than they've ever been. You look at the stats and what he's doing from the pocket now, it seems like he's being patient, taking what the defense has given him. But look for them to get after him a little bit. Yeah, so Menungai out. You talk about the run game. Menungai is out. Swift will be in. Roshon Johnson, out of Texas, will be backup running back or second running back. He scored a touchdown last week. We know Ben Johnson will remain committed to the run game, but they're a little banged up as well as we head in here on a Thursday. That looks like a hold there right in front of our face, but hey, if they don't call it, it ain't a hold. Chuck, other storylines from around the NFL that we are just now learning of. There's reports coming out that they're going to be able to change some stuff. Did you guys see this update that just came out? The NFL is considering the possibility of making its instant replay review games process available to be shown on game broadcast, as Albert Breer just reported. I think, yeah, ACC's doing it right. Big Ten's doing it. Yeah, it's awesome. It started with the XFL, I think, back in the day we saw them do it. This is a huge step for the NFL if they were to become transparent in this review system. Is that not accurate, Chuck, as a guy that's worked with the NFL officiating crew for the last few years? Yeah, I love it. You know, because we as head coaches, Pat, we got to send in like 10 questions like after the games that they would answer. You know, why this? Why that? Why'd you call holding here? Was this offensive passing or whatever, right? So they'd answer those questions and we were never really allowed, you know, to talk about them at the podium. You know, we kind of just had to swallow the mic, swallow the whistle, if you will, and not say anything on some calls, but I love the fact that, you know, the ACC, you mentioned the Big Ten, the transparency of all this, because there's always going to be head scratchers, right? We see them week in and week out, and so for the NFL to say, okay, look, because they never really had, they have a pool report at the end of these games, right? They never really have anybody stand up like the coaches have to, the GMs, everybody has to, you know, be held accountable at the podium, and so this gives, you know, America, gives the fans, gives all the viewers an opportunity to see these guys in live action and see exactly what they're looking at, because sometimes the pictures you get on game day, sometimes the pictures you get, you know, in the stadium, on the big screen, you know, the truck feeds, depends if it's a 1 o'clock game compared to a primetime game, you have to understand that, because there may not be, you know, but 8, 9 cameras, you know, at a 1 o'clock game, you know, a shite game, and then you get a primetime game, there might be 30 cameras, you know, so there's a big difference when it comes to replay, but I love that they're doing this. Yeah, I love that they're doing it as well, and I know the coaches and refs relationship is one that is caught in some spotlight over the last few weeks. Tone has the last question for you here, Coach Pagano. Yeah, Coach, three coaches have been fined $250,000 for interactions with the refs, and I believe those could be taken away if I, the rumor was, if they are, you know, if they behave themselves the rest of the season, what are your thoughts on that situation? I'll tell you what, I got threatened within an inch of my life, like, from Tina, like, if you ever, you know, come close to having an interaction where it ends up costing us money, pulling, you know, food off our table, you don't make enough to be, you know, getting a $250,000 fine, so hopefully they can appeal these, Tone, you know, you just can't, you can't cross the line with any of this stuff, you know, you just can't, you just can't do it, you gotta bite your tongue. Where's the line there, Chuck? Where's the line? How do they know? Do they, are they telling these coaches what the line is? A hundred, a hundred percent, and we all know what it is. You can't lay your hands on anybody, you can't touch anybody, you can't, uh, Can you cuss in their direction? From a cursing standpoint, you can't throw the challenge flag at them, you can't MF them, you know, you, under your breath, you can have those, those deals, but it goes both ways, you know, they just suspended two refs, right? They both missed a game, you know, and, uh, those guys are back on the field, so they're gonna, they're not gonna, you know, just suspend refs, they're gonna, they're gonna get after coaches too, so you just gotta know, you know, when to say when, and not cross that line, and not make it personal, you know, and with the expectations are what they are, and all these lively jobs are on the line, families are on the line, all that kind of stuff, it's, it's really hard certainly at times when, when you see a foul that's called and it shouldn't have been called or whatever. Yeah, the refs are a massive piece of a lot of people's legacies, a lot of, uh, decisions that are made at a multi, multi, multi billion dollar business. We'd like them to be great, that's why we're always pulling for them. We're happy they got the new deal done, and I think this is the NFL who also told the refs, right, we got a ref that got a two game suspension, a one game suspension, then there was big time fines for the celebrations, now there's potential fines that are in holding for how you're interacting with the refs. Feels like this is the NFL saying, hey, listen, we're all in this together, okay, but also these are some things that we're not doing anymore, so we're gonna fine your ass, you're gonna feel it, then we'll take it back, we'll work with you, but we can't be having this anymore. Can't have ridiculous celebrations, we can't be treating refs like shit, refs, you can't be acting out of the ordinary either. It feels like early in the NFL season here, the NFL's trying to let people know how it's gonna be. Now, you talk about lives and jobs being on the line, whoa. We have our first big firing, and Indianapolis resident, Boston Connor has a question for you, Chuck Bogano. Yeah, Charlie, unfortunately, Chris Ballard has been let go as the GM of the Indianapolis Colts, and now Big Ed Dodds is stepping in to be kind of interim GM for the Colts. How does that work as far as Dodds now going forward? Is he empowered to kind of get this wholesale, get everybody out of here, let's get some picks in return, start this rebuild thing? How does that entire aspect work? And then for the team itself, what is kind of the ripple effects when a GM gets fired within the building? Is it just kind of like, okay, we blew it, now we're screwed, or is it can actually bunker mentality, hey, let's bring this thing together, try and save the season for the Colts? Yeah, to the second part of that question, BC, some of these, sometimes these can galvanize a team and bring a team together, if you will. Is there enough pieces? We're gonna find out to see if there's enough pieces, enough healthy pieces to get on the field and go up to Minnesota and then Jacksonville in two weeks, but it can galvanize them for sure, and I loved what, you know, Shane said. You know, this doesn't just fall on Chris. You know, Chris ran that thing for ten years. We hate to see firings happen, you know, in the National Football League, especially this early in the season. We all understand what we signed up for, but Shane called out the guys, and they talked about, hey, this falls on coaching, this falls on me, it falls on the assistants, it falls on the players. You know, we got a coach better, we got to play better, and these guys got to show up week in and week out, and they got to be available, you know, for their team, and they got to go play, and they got to go, you know, compete, and you know, we'll see what happens. Again, hate to see anybody let go, but I think the writing was on the wall. I think you lose to an 0-5 Tennessee team at home, up 13 at half. I think with the fans, the way that it was in the loud house, you guys were there. I think they almost certainly had to do something just to give the fans some hope. Like, okay, look, we're going to go, you know, in a different direction here. As far as Ed goes, BC, you know, he's been with Bauer the whole time. He's the assistant GM. He's just going to keep the wheels turning, if you will. All the scouts are right now, they're going to college campuses, they're evaluating the talent, they're getting the board, they're doing all that kind of stuff with with, you know, 2027 draft. you know names and prospects and getting all that so he's just gonna head that up as far as like who's trading away the pieces on the team it ain't ed's not gonna that'll that'll go through carly you know who's you know hands on obviously there kaylin's you know does her deal and casey but it'll go through carly i'm i'm sure there's other people in that organization and and we've heard like like i wasn't shocked to hear like okay i'm gonna reach out to payton manning or bill polian like i'm gonna go to tony dunn i'm gonna go to some people that i know that my dad knew that i grew up around that i respect their opinion i respect them as as coaches and their football minds and their football iq so i'm gonna go to those people and say okay look this gives an opportunity start putting together a list of potential gms that we're gonna go look look at you know we're gonna look at these teams that are that are deciding the trades coach the coach that we the trade deadline has to be figured out that is a gigantic gigantic opportunity or decision that's right around the corner here coach i i know the gm lists people will be putting together lists for her to interview for general manager that's a role that you have to fill the trade deadline is huge we don't have picks we don't have shit we have we're in a bad we're in a bad spot right now bro i mean it is not a good spot for the future so pat i mean november 10th i think is the day right the trade deadline i think it's november 10th you know so yeah they'll say okay look we got d buck we got jt we got uh you know quentin nelson we we've got some we've got some potential you know guys that some people that are on a heater on a run a super bowl run that may want to you know reach out like okay so you field some calls you take some calls you throw some things out there put some lines in the water see if anybody bites but you know that'll they'll listen to you and they'll listen to you and his and his staff the rest of the scouts and people that are in the building there um they'll listen to them carly you'll you know listen to those things and then they'll make a decision based on two things what's best for this organization moving forward and what gives us the best chance to win moving forward so you know we better stack some wins you know i know shane knows that that coaching staff know that those players know it because if if they don't it's going to be a total reset the best coach just like a reset you have tonight on the bears minus three we'll see you next week back in the draft kings thunderdome and the return of what the chuck hey jay we're about to get into a um a basketball discussion with a legend and a friend of the program here in a matter of moments because the nba is off to a hot start i mean hot start out there all the storylines are immense and nba is certainly worthy of conversation but the reason why i am currently in los angeles um is because this evening i'm experiencing something for the first time in my entire life i'll be a part of a movie premiere tonight aj sick that's gonna be awesome is that where is it again the premiere uh i believe it ty you know the name it's the china theater yeah chinese chinese theater yeah where all the gigantic films over the years have been yeah it's got like the a lot of times like they'll put their handprints in like the wet cement in front of it and like yeah that that's gonna be that'll be really sweet yeah it's i guess huge screen i guess it's 900 some people they do there's gonna be a red carpet which i don't normally do i uh we have some pretty notorious stories of us avoiding red carpets and getting into uh horrendous situations but tonight i guess i'm gonna be out there can't wait i'm sure that's gonna go just fine figuring out what the hell i was gonna wear to this thing was a experience and a journey in of itself yesterday got a chance to get sniped by aq shipley as i was just trying to check out at norsham rack the entire world ended up seeing this uh that was certainly a time i had a bunch of clothes in my right hand i had a bunch of clothes in my right hand because i bought sport coat pants boots you name it from norsham rack dress shirt i needed it all i was not prepared well enough and then had coffee and left hand you know this week spent a little bit of a grind let's keep the caffeine input happening and i'm standing there there's nothing for me i can't put anything down so i have no i'm amish in that moment i got people in front of me speaking a different language people behind me speaking a different language we were there for i mean i was in line aq's being a little dramatic here but it was at least 20 i mean it was at least 25 minutes and they were mad that i signed up for this because we had um somebody else with us i was checking out a little bit earlier and you know the way norsham rack lines are they kind of go back and forth there was a potential in a non-scumbag way i could have passed my stuff to parker who was going to buy i could have done that okay parker asked me if i wanted it aq and d butts obviously said hey let's go let's do that i had to go get one more thing though and i said i don't want to give it then go back and go that's a bad look i'll just wait in line it won't be a big deal be fast snores from racks d butt and aq immediately go idiot you're an absolute idiot you should give him your stuff and then go back and get it and then come back so that whole chirping of me waiting in that line started before i even got into that 25-minute line so i go back class of the classic norsham rack i go back and grab it guess what has happened since i get back bigger line yes hall everybody in the store checked out at the same time so now um three snake links back from where parker was so this was a follow-up from 25 minutes beforehand where i in everybody's eyes including mine made a horrendous decision to not just kind of let parker do the checking out but i said no no i don't want to do that it just won't be that big of a deal they're paid to check people i'll be quick it was not you know they wave the flag whenever they say we're available here yeah i saw in god bless all of them that are having to deal with everybody checking out a couple of them will get done with a checkout aj and they take a minute you know they need to take a beat before the next customer comes up arbitrarily doing a couple of these couple of these it's a picture i don't think it's just california that's retail baby yeah i think it's retail as a whole it's there's some stickers here that need to move from this side of the day to every day this side and we're looking around somebody's coming to help all good to see you good to see you and then all right pissed off next one please puts it down and then that person comes in they got a hundred questions you want to do you want a uh nordstrom rank credit card would you like to sign up for that of course i'd love to do that so i just it was a whole thing where i got wrong from the beginning but it was nice to be out there it's nice to be out there so many different languages happening around me i was trying to decipher them and pick them up but i couldn't use my phone to google it because my hands were kind of stuck so i got ready i'm excited tonight should be something um that will be remembered in my lifetime uh as a gigantic moment the mosquito bowl is a movie that is about uh four badass college football stars who signed up for the marines during world war ii and uh it documents them from their lives and the football in college into paris island which where i am a drill instructor lead drill instructor that they meet and then into actual war in the pacific theater and peterberg did the film netflix is the uh streaming company but they wanted it to go into theaters because of how much they love the movie and how the screenings have gone i can't believe i'm a part of it i can't believe i'm in it that's nicholas gout seeing there he was thor i think he's on his way up scar guards in this ray nicholson's in this tom francis is in this the amount of talent from just the thespian world um and i think it's a great movie and i think it's a great movie and i think it's a great movie of the actors is absurd peterberg is gonna go down as maybe greatest war movie maker of all time which this certainly is as it celebrates football and the greatest generation it's um i think it's a heavy movie i think it's a very serious obviously story that is going to remind a lot of people about america maybe not being just always the worst place on earth you know like we have done a lot of good for the world as well and these men have and a little surprise boys uh in the nfl studios right now he's a guy who was a di at paris island for eight years i believe three years over in san diego 20 plus years in the marines boys i wish you were here to be able to experience first sergeant garland serge serge good to see you dude making a premiere yeah uh garland is in the hollywood i'm gonna go ahead and back this up so we get you in here happy the boys got a chance to compliment you uh love you guys too yeah we love you first sergeant i'm telling you whenever uh whenever the boys uh had a lack of you in their lives it was evident okay and uh we have missed you the hell out of you happy you're enjoying your retirement happy you're enjoying your life and happy you're getting a chance to watch tonight uh something you were a massive piece of for those that don't know we went to high school together obviously you wouldn't know that he was a few years older than me joined the marines family i do believe of marines uh i believe you don't you no no no lineage no lineage but why did you choose the marines in our high school i'm gonna be honest uh it was something to do other than go to college i'm gonna be honest and that was it it sounds terrible but uh no for real there's a an individual that went to plum a couple years older than than me, and he came back from boot camp just in his uniform, kind of made me, you know, want to be a Marine, the challenge, so. How many years did you end up? 22. Okay, and I got the numbers right for how long you were a DI at Parris Island? So, I was a company first sergeant at Parris Island for two and a half years. I trained officers at OCS in Brownfield, Quantico, Virginia for three years, and then I was a drone instructor for three and a half years at San Diego. Unbelievable stuff. So, whenever this gets mentioned and brought up to me that I could potentially be in a movie and I'm going to be a DI for the Marines, you're, I'm trying to play, like, the baddest dude on earth. That is what a DI is. You know that. You were one. No sleeping, attention to detail, accountability, expectation of you are going to have to have the warrior spirit in you over the next 11 weeks, 13 weeks. We got to make this happen. The Marines mantra is first to fight. So, everybody that shows up is expected to go to war at some point, which is why I have so much respect for the Corps and for everything that you have done, but playing a DI was something I was scared to death to do, and you assisted me the entire time, and I hope that your fellow Marines understand that I don't think I'm anywhere near as badass as you, but I did try to represent my absolute best, so thank you for everything. Of course, no. I think it was a great experience. Kudos to you, I'll just say that, for taking on this tremendous, you know, job of kind of representing the Marine Corps. Kudos to you. You know, it's, it's a hard position to play. It's kind of the iconic symbol of discipline to the Marine Corps, and that's the first individual you come in, you see the pearly gates of Parris Island. They're very beautiful, very comfortable area that you get to, and then you meet this individual that is, you know, kind of superhuman. So, it's, it's a hard position to kind of learn and see, and I'm just grateful to be a part of it. Yeah, it is a very hard position to try to be, and to learn, and to see, and to learn this. You gotta wake up at 3 a.m. We're there at Parris Island waking up at 3 a.m. The energy and juice is already at a 14 out of 10. It is, it's a special thing that you did, and many others have done in the past, to be a drill instructor to set the culture of what the Marines are as a whole, and I don't, he's in the movie. That's right. He's in the trailer. He is actually in the movie, not only in the trailer, but I think he has a good portion of the Parris Island. Parris Island part has actual First Sergeant Patrick Gartland in it, so I'm excited to watch you on the big screen tonight, brother. You're a big movie star. I don't know about that. I'm excited to see you. I'm excited to see the movie. Likewise. Okay, look at us. We went to Australia for 11 days, 12 days. We were down there filming this entire thing. Have been doing a lot of reminiscing on what the trip was and what it isn't. Master Sergeant was down there as well. What's his name? Sergeant Major. Sergeant Major. What's his name, though? What was his name? Sergeant Major. Yeah, but what was his name? You're talking about a Parris Island? Sergeant Major. Sergeant Major. Yeah, no, this was down in Australia. There's a guy that does movies. He's like a- I'm blanking right now. Yeah, me too. Because his name is just Sergeant Major to me. And in all the movies, I think this guy. So there is a Sergeant Major from the Marine Corps who is tasked with making shorts legit on movie sets. He's been around, I don't know how many movies, basically every movie. Not R.E. Irving, right? No, no. He was a drone shark. Yeah. It's Heartbreak Ridge, so 1988, if anybody knows that. Is it James E. Dever? Yes. Yes. There it is. Jim Devers. Yeah, Jim Dever, dog. Absolute dog. He was out there. So watching him put the actors through a miniature quick boot camp there again, and then also for the weeks leading up to the movie, I think there was a lot of respect in trying to represent the Corps, and I hope tonight you see that and feel that. I will, yeah. I think just being a part of it and seeing the sacrifice there's individuals had during that time. I mean, just the storyline, it's a true story. They could have went a totally different direction, but they chose another life, and that's kind of like a huge aspect of the Marine Corps that you get from that. So I'm excited to see it. Me too. I appreciate the hell out of you. Good to see you. Thank you. Hey, he's a movie star now. Garland. Happy birthday, Garland. It was Garland's birthday the other day, too. Yeah, it was. Happy birthday, Sarge. I appreciate it. Thank you guys. Love you boys. Really appreciate it. Bone needs your help. That's Pat, of course. Yeah, we love you. Bone has fallen off a bit. Yeah, Bone. I love you, Bone. Just keep it up. I love you, Bone. We're trying. Keep what up? I don't know. Just something. We've got to go forward progress. Forward progress. Just whatever that is. I don't know. We'll figure it out. Yeah, I doubt it, buddy. You're the best. First Sergeant, we appreciate you, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, it's movie star First Sergeant Garland. Yeah! I love you, Garland! Pat, are you prepared? For what, bro? You're going to have to stand and receive a 20-minute ovation tonight. Have you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That ain't happening. Not for me. Not for me. Well, you're going to be a part of it, though. No, it might be for First Sergeant Garland. It might be for Ray and Nicholas and Tom and Scargard and Peter Berg and the phenomenal crew. You should have seen the camera operators for this movie, the amount of running. And then the scenes that they get for the war is like. So much scunion. Oh. Yeah, on deck. I mean, I don't know how much dynamite they went through, but I don't know what the budget was for dynamite and stuff and bombs, but it is going to pay off, I do believe. All right, AJ, we got a big guest joining us here in a matter of moments as I send it to you in Indianapolis as this big man gets prepared. That's a little bit of a tease for another friend of the program about to join us. Yes, it is. And, Tony, I actually wanted to come to you. So, Giannis is on the "Miami Heat" now, correct? Yeah. Yeah, so Giannis got blown out yesterday, did he not? Yes, he did. Did he not? By the Timberwolves, who shot lights out. I know Ant-Man, he was, what, nine of 17, I believe, from the three-point line. All those things, yeah. I think there's some questionable step-backs where you can step back and take five to nine steps and drink three still. That was absurd. That's the NBA. They don't call it every single time. I mean, just absurd. 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The new Peloton TreadFlex is designed to fit your life, movable and foldable, so you can run, walk, or hike when you need to and roll it away when you don't. Let yourself run. Explore TreadFlex at onepeleton.com. Oh, there we go. Ladies and gentlemen, big Perk is here. Yeah, Perk. Put him away. Hey, Perk, these studios are outrageous. It's crazy. It's a beautiful place. You know the best thing about it is that I walked into the locker room yesterday and my suit, tie, and the whole setup was already pressed and laid out. I was like, "Oh, shit." Yeah, you guys are living the dream out here. This is the life. This is the life. The studios are gigantic. I think everything's state of the art, and every bathroom has a bidet, which I know has been talked about. The seat warmer. Don't love that. Don't love that. It's not from another human, Ty. What? It's electric. It's not from another human sitting on it. That's not why it's warm. Like I said, I don't need my fucking butt cheeks to be on fire when I'm taking a shit. All right. I mean, Ty, you always want to keep a cool booty. I get that. Thank you, Perk. Okay. Let's talk about cool booty or hot ass cheeks. Can you tell me about the start of the NBA season? A couple of blowouts yesterday. Tyrese Halliburton gets a close win. All the way back to opening day, there seems to be some teams that are hot immediately and some that are cold. How should we judge these first couple games, you think? Well, let me say this. Shout out to Adam Silver. This is about to be one of the best NBA seasons that we've seen in the last 10 years. Okay. We literally have 20 to 25 teams that actually feel like they can win the NBA championship. The talent is spreading and it's equal now. And when you think about who is going to be the next champ, who is going to come out victorious, who's going to be hosting up the trophy at the end of this season, to be honest, I don't know. But I will tell you this, Anthony Edwards is my pick to win the MVP. I will tell you this, Anthony Edwards and LaMelo Ball are the best backcourt in the NBA, period. Because now Anthony Edwards is able to slide to his natural position. He doesn't have to worry about facilitating anymore. And now all of a sudden, he's going to continue to get easier shots and easier looks. You know who was top five in the league last year in three pointers made? Who? Anthony Edwards and LaMelo Ball. Really? Yeah. So tell me how you're going to stop that. And then all of a sudden you look at the East and I'm like, Tyrese Halliburton, I had to apologize to him. Thank you. Thank you. I did. I apologize to him. One thing about me, if I'm wrong, I'm going to tell you, now, 85% of the time I'm going right yeah but that 15 when i'm wrong i'm gonna admit it hey man listen right now the swag and the energy along with his play he's moving faster but i somewhat expected this because when you're away from the game that you love so much you have time to sit there you have those moments when you're depressed you have those moments when you're sitting on the side you can't do what you've been doing your entire life and you could tell he missed the game of basketball yeah he got emotional afterwards about all the work that led to him coming back this year and i appreciate you apologizing to him they had him on the zone they had him on does no offense to doesn't they had him on the zone for his opening night comeback after getting injured in game seven of the finals a year ago he's using that as motivation obviously the entire indiana pacers organization are putting chips on their shoulder carlisle's ready to go on a run let's talk about another massive move that took place uh yannis and the heat they're dead okay let's hope they figure that out lebron and the sixers though are they going to be unstoppable because it feels like we got heel braun back as he's talking shit to old white men about being from ohio and maybe beating that ass wet ass at that that's a belt to wet ass is what he's about to put on people and this is what you this is what you have to realize about braun the one thing i've been knowing him for the i've been knowing braun for 25 years and you could always tell how braun is going to play when you look at his body language and his engagement and the fact that he was showing passion talking noise they already got their handshakes he's out there playing with with a different type of feel and emotions and he was actually playing the center position while joe ellen b was on the floor think about that for a second he was the one that was guarding carl anthony towns and so when you think about the most complete basketball players who ever played a game of basketball even at the age of 42 putting his all into these young fellas getting he's going to get the best out of joe ellen b he's going to get the best out of tyrese maxey he's going to get the best out of vj edge cone on top of that braun feels slightly disrespected the way that things ended with the los angeles lakers yeah they were asked for a while and they made a decision to move with luca is seemingly the decision they made business-wise he went crazy as well last night not against yaxal but against everybody else lucas team now over here in los angeles what perfect weather by the way yeah oh my god it's gorgeous i think did you get the hotel stuff situated yesterday no power to no power guess what i did while everybody was trying to search and do all this i went straight to the jamaica bay inn and i must say it was beautiful yeah it was it was beautiful you can never judge a book by its cover because guess what it was outstanding the room service was great the beds was comfortable i had a like i had a view of the marina hey it was just yeah i read the review it was the bomb jamaica it was called the jamaica bay inn a couple rude boys in there we uh we were searching as well we were we were looking for a place we had no idea in the year twenty twenty six that could happen to a hotel yeah in america yeah pretty prominent hotel twenty four hours no power no power you learn quickly about how little power you have whenever you're at a place that has no power and they're telling you we got no idea we got no idea uh can we have water i mean we're running out of water but yeah it'd be very cold uh okay there's obviously no wi-fi there's no power to charge anything and the light situation in some of the rooms going to be difficult it is pitch black and renovated it's going to be so it's renovation we're doing construction so it's a lot going on but we want you to enjoy your state and we are lucky to be there lucky to be doing this for a living uh you talked about lebron playing center we have about a minute and a half before the hard out but there's already a lot of questions about the tallest french center that we've seen in some time tone has a question for you big perk yeah perk and this kind of goes back to last year in some of those playoff games and the first game people were saying you know wemby needs to stop acting like he's six three and act like he's seven six um how do you feel about that and what are your thoughts on wemby after just you know one game maybe just his game overall well todd good to see you always a pleasure um with with wimby i always been saying that he needs to embrace being a big man first with guard skills last year wimby finished 19th in the league in points in the paint that should never happen he should always finish top three or number two and only reason i don't put him number one is because yannis is still living but outside of that he should always live in the paint it should always be a focal point did you watch uh walker kessler last night it's simple i'm going to finish around the basket i'm going to have a thousand ducks i'm going to make the game easy now in wimby's defense after watching game one the problem that i have is that they have no one to settle down the offense to put him in position to be successful i saw a lot of selfish basketball from dearon fox from dylan harper from stefan castle they had the agenda of i'm going to get mine instead he's saying i have a generational talent let's slow down let's get your big ass on the block let me hit you down there you go to work come up here set this screen we'll go throw it up because you finished second in the league last year and lobs at the basket rondo used to set that up perfect for kg all right paul ray y'all got enough shots come here big fella we're going to you they don't have that and that's a problem so one of those guys got to step up miss johnson got to have a coming to jesus meeting and highlight that he is our number one focus we thought that happened after the first team that was around wimby because remember there was a bunch of ogs around wimby whenever he was trapped chris paul chris paul but others as well right and he wasn't getting the ball and it's like they they felt as if he had to earn his way earn his keep he's a young guy still got to learn then they kind of switch out that roster put in a younger roster we thought they were doing that to empower wimby you're saying that needs to happen a little bit more we need a little because you know it's a gift and a curse when a team that young have success so early going to the nba finals because well guess what happened when you're walking around in the summertime everyone is telling you that hey you're the reason you're a key part you need a bigger role that's why they having this whole thing of should we start three guards and we can't bring dylan off the bench because we drafted him with the number two pick uh should we bring dearon fox i don't know because we're paying him a ton of money like no like all these things are individual agendas and so the thing is what got them to the finals last year was the word sacrifice was going to get them back to the finals and over the hump is for them to continue to sacrifice and lose themselves in the team if they don't understand that as tough as the western conference is the ass gonna get sent home yeah maybe too much success maybe they're drunk off their own personal agendas that's what he's seeing here early speaking of personal agendas uh shom sharonian said our personal agenda to maybe get steph curry to the indiana pacers is never going to happen said it should did you see steph face well so aj actually has a question about that as uh shom said yesterday steph's going to be a warrior for the rest of his life go ahead aj yeah big perk what should i expect when i watch the warriors this year like what would you predict their record is this season they'll be in the play-in tournament hopefully okay but i for the first time i felt bad watching steph last night and every time they kept hitting him with the camera like showing them on the bench and showing how depressed he looked like it's only so much he could do individually and by the way where the hell is draymond green i understand like he's a defensive presence but at this point steph needs you like old people need soft shoes he needs you to come out here and do something offensively be some type of offensive threat christoph that's unfortunate i hope he gets well but he's not returning don't know when jimmy bull is returning you cannot afford to continue to waste steph curry greatness and i said this before and always found a way to make sure that steph curry was contending for a championship it's time for mike dunleavy jr to do his damn job well we thought steph curry was going to be on the move or maybe lebron was going to join steph curry now we're hearing steph's going to be a warrior forever and if they look like they look last night for a while i don't like that we're not going to see steph in prime time through the rest of this particular season that's one game in we're saying that that's the best i love that we do that i love that that is how we all do it kind of react let's stay in the west so let's talk about jj reddick now leading a very different team go ahead con man yeah perk luca and walker kessler kind of talked about how well he put already but what did you see from this new look lakers that makes you think they'll be in it in the long haul it feels like luca once again being the ball dominant guard and just kind of taking over games is back in the nba which is great for everybody uh talking a bunch of junk to yaxel lindenborg also awesome what are you expecting out of the lakers this season park well well connor you talking to me again because what i I saw you in the hallway. You was all in your fillers about what I said. I'm not talking to you about the Celtics. I'm not talking to you about the Celtics, Burt, because you're fucking wrong. That's why I didn't ask you about the fucking Celtics, because you don't know your ass from the hole in the ground when it comes to the Celtics. That's why I asked you about the fucking Lakers. You know what? You're going to be fucking disappointed again tomorrow when the Chicago Bears kick your ass tonight. Oh, fuck you. Too far. Fuck you. I take my country back. You son of a bitch. So, look, but listen, the Lakers, they're going to be an offensive problem. Luka is one of the most gifted offensive players that we've ever seen. Like, they're going to score points. J.J. Redick has proven to be one of the brilliant minds offensively. I can't overreact to that game last night because of who they were playing. I need to see them against the best of the best. They're going to make the playoffs. I believe it's going to be in the play-in tournament. But we all know they have certain fan bases that are spoiled. Certain fan bases that have entitlement because they've earned their right to have entitlement. And that's organizations like the Celtics and the Lakers where it's championships or busts. And so they're going to have a good run. They're going to be an early-round exit. I get all that. And it's going to be through the play-in tournament. But at some point, Luka is going to have to deliver a championship to L.A. But let's stay in the moment. Offensively, they're going to be one of the best offensive teams in the league. One game, we're doing all this. Can't wait to follow the rest of the season. Thank you for stopping by. I might be moving over here, Perk. Just get a room for me so I don't have to stay in the hotel. Like, if you move here, just have a guest house for me so I don't have to stay in the hotel every week I come out here. Well, I heard the Jamaica Bay. The Jamaica Bay Inn. Shout out. The Jamaica Bay Inn. You looked out front. Jamaica Bay Inn. We didn't see any rooms there because, obviously, with the hotel we were at, there was a lot of people there. No. And everybody was thinking the same thing. We were thinking about getting to other hotels. So every other hotel within the area got sold out quick. Quick. I didn't get into the Jamaica Bay Inn there. I got it. When you saw me, I was trying to get my key fixed because I want— They had one elevator good with generator, had one elevator running up and down. Kind of sketchy. Kind of sketchy getting into a hotel elevator with no power. Very. But they told us it was good. It was sketchy. I go all the way up to the room. Stop at every—because there's only one elevator going, and everybody wants to be there. So, obviously, we're stopping. Get all the way up to the room. Go all the way in there. Car doesn't work. Somebody's working on the floor. I go, hey, can you guys get into the rooms? Yeah, we can, but not with you. So I go all the way fucking back down. I go all the way. That's when you saw me. It was a 45-minute trip for me walking in every floor on the way up. When I saw you, you looked defeated. I was. Pat, what's up, man? You just— You looked defeated. I was just like— I was just sitting there. I had all my bags from Nordstrom Rack. I had the whole thing. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of patience yesterday, which is what we need in our lives. And I remain patient on all these NBA teams, but my feeling right now, Pacers are winning it all. So you need to start telling people on that NBA Today crew. You need to start telling everybody the Pacers are on their way. And you need to tell Adam Silver, Tyrese has already earned his way into an ESPN game. I don't know if you heard that comment. Oh. Yeah. You need to apologize. Everybody needs to apologize. Well, I mean, listen. Me and Adam Silver, we like pissed friends, so I'm going to stay up out of that one. Smart guy. See you, dude. All right. Hey, Conor, fix your body language, man. Y'all going to get your ass kicked tonight. Oh, you know shit. Stick to basketball, Perky, motherfucker. I don't know if you heard that. He called you a motherfucker there, Perky. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to debut something that we've been debuting every single week this season. It's not easy. It's not easy to work your way into being the best in the league. It's seemingly not easy to work your way into being the worst in the league as well. It is time to debut this week's shite division. Let's go to last week, shall we? Here's what last week's shite division looked like, because this is a very important part of the tale. Chuck Pagano was in there. He won one and five. He's still going to remain in there if he loses yet again. Tennessee Titans, shiteyest team in the league. That's why they're at the top. This is the most shitey. This is last week. Then the Chargers, then the Dolphins, then the entire NFC East. At that time, we didn't even know. We didn't even know that they'd go on to be historically terrible. So there is maybe some huge change. Maybe not. Let's go to this week's shite division. At the top of this week's shite division, the shiteyest of them all. We made a rule a couple weeks ago that if you lose to the shiteyest team and you happen to look like shite, then you become ipso facto the king of the shite. I don't like this, AJ. The shiteyest team in the NFL right now is? Oh, no. If you get someone fired, too, you probably have to go in there as well. A couple weeks stay. Minimum, if you get someone fired. I'll tell you, I don't like it. I don't like it. We had seen the shite division earlier this year, and I thought I'd check the box. I showcased that I'm not a super homer. I'd put the Colts in there. But with all the money we had spent, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like the money we had spent and all the talent we have in our roster. I thought there's no way we end up in the shite division. Then Connor last week starts, you know, kind of piping off. He's the lock of the century. Tennessee Titans are a team that suck with no hope. There's some teams that suck that have hope. And then you, AJ, first time in a long time, you came in and said, I agree with that. Give me Colts minus 15. You guys did this on purpose? No. You are the ones that wanted Chris Ballard to get fired on a fucking Monday or whatever it was. You guys are the reason, because of everything you were saying last week. So I hope you're happy, AJ, that the Indianapolis Colts are now officially the shittiest team in the league. And the Tennessee Titans worked themselves out of the shite division. I hope you're happy, AJ. I'm not happy. I'm not happy at all. Believe me, I was trying to – I thought I was picking a winner. I thought it was a get back on track kind of game for the Indianapolis Colts. Now, I don't know. Maybe the Titans aren't as bad as we thought. I don't know. Maybe we can look at a glass half full. I love the way Salah showcased leadership. After the situation that happened in his locker room and in his parking lot, I thought that was one of the greatest speeches I've ever heard a coach give. I appreciate him doing that. Maybe the team will rally around getting a big-time win and how good of a coach Coach Salah is. But watching those Titans up close and personal, I think they've got a lot of changes they're going to have to make before they get good again. And for the Colts, they already started. They fired a general manager, and we've got huge decisions that have to be made soon. The Colts might be living here, or they're 13-4 on the season. Next team in here, they've called this place home. They've got beds in here. They put their shoes down. They've got shirts hanging up in the closet of the Shite Division. They summon Los Angeles Chargers. Keep it up. They haven't won. We thought they would, and there's no win really in sight as you look at their schedule. The Chargers have made themselves comfortable at the Jamaica Bay in Shite Division here, and I don't think they're leaving Ty. This has been a surprise of a century. Do you agree that the Los Angeles Chargers have become a mainstay of this Shite Division? Is it not? Yeah, I think it is. We had our reservations when Herbert was smooching all offseason. I think a lot of red flags went up at that time. I know everyone thinks Mike McDaniel is really cool and really funny, and he hits a vape and stuff like that, but maybe it's time we start second-guessing everything there is to second-guess about that guy. I think you have to shit-can him. You have to get Herbert back on the right path because, like you said, it doesn't look like many wins are coming down their pipe, and they're starting four rookies on the offensive line. How does this happen to them year after year after year after year? Maybe that's why Harbaugh's dauber was so down when they lose their center. He just goes, here we go again, and it does feel like they have been unlucky, but they have found themselves a nice little home here in a very difficult division to get into. It had been four teams for a while. Then we introduced an entire division last week. If that division continues to not win a single game at a historic rate, they've got to stay. Congratulations to the entire NFC East. Nice. They're back. Oh, and four weeks, six. They haven't won a game in two weeks. No teams, division teams, have done that in the history of the NFL, A.J. NFC East is really holding it down here at the Shite division. They've got the most amount of characters in here. Maybe they hold a little bit of weight amongst the Shite, but they certainly stink, and we couldn't have expected that, A.J. Yeah, I would not have expected this if you go back four or five weeks from now, but, I mean, I guess if you're going to be bad, it's good to have some company around you. You can look to your right and left and know that you have some people on your side that are kind of sticking with you. Now, let's see if they can continue this streak. I don't know. It'll be tough, but I think it's possible, though. Yeah. If they tie out, that'd be sick. Go ahead, Tone. Sorry, brother. No, I was just going to say, it's not like they're just losing. Every single team is doing something other than just losing. Obviously, the Jalen Hurts incident, which is just unfortunate. You've got a lot of guys. They're retiring off of that team, getting traded off that team that have been there for a long time. The Cowboys are 1-8, I think, on their last nine primetime games, just getting embarrassed in front of everyone. The Commanders don't know what quarter it is, don't know what down it is. It's just the entire – Allegedly. Oh, and the Giants, they have made a quarterback change now. They're letting go of running backs. They're benching running backs. There's just so much happening besides just losing in that division. And they are now back-to-back divisional representatives in the Shite division, Who's the last team we think that's snuck its way in here? Oh, another heartbreak. Congrats to the Los Angeles Rams. What? Wow. Super Bowl favorite? Two and four. That's wild. Could have never guessed this with the Rams, but they have found themselves in the shite division, and I don't like it. Nobody does. But if you got this right earlier than everybody else on X with hashtag program shite division, you could potentially win an autographed item from the Thunderdome. Last week's winner has been found, and we will certainly be sending over an autographed item to Christian Hamilton. Way to go, Chris. Getting the NFC East in there was an incredible feat. Having them be in fourth place in the shite is certainly a good play. Titans the most shite last week, then Chargers, Dolphins, NFC East. That changes up this week. Chargers kind of a mainstay, but everybody else has swapped. If you got it right before everybody else, we'll send you something autographed from the Thunderdome. AJ, thank you for taking the trip over to Indianapolis. You were the man, brother. Of course. Enjoyed tonight, man. From the trailers I have seen, that's going to be an unbelievable situation. Tell me, you said that theater has 900 people. Is it that big? Yeah, I guess it's gigantic. They're saying it's legendary, because last night I had a chance to see a couple of the people from the movie, and I was like, what am I signing? I have no idea what this is. I literally, I don't think about things until they're about to happen, and I had not really thought about this actual thing, because this movie was shot so long ago, and this business, there's so much that kind of happens to get the magic into the film, and Peter Berg, Ezra, Emanuel, the entire squad over there from Netflix, the amount of work that they put into this movie, to be showcased this evening, and to be invited to be a part of the movie, and to be a part of tonight, I'm honored and lucky to do it. I can't wait. AJ, you're the absolute man. Boys, good work. Gumpy, that a baby, Gumpy. Hey, everybody. Way to go, Woggle. All right. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. I can't thank all of you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Don't look for me to be in a lot more movies and acting after this little run that we have, but I had an absolute blast. Oh, we do got to make our picks. We do got to make our picks. Oh, yeah. Chuck was saying, Chuck's saying fade him, right? He's been preaching. He's been saying that, yeah. He has been saying that. Garland, who do you like tonight? Patriots, Bears? He likes the Patriots. Fucking A-right, Garland. Hunter, yeah, I think you heard him. Gumpy, who do you like? Absolutely love the New England Patriots tonight. Wow. Hey, AJ, who do you like? The Patriots, huh? I absolutely love the New England Patriots tonight. Yes. Oh, my God. Tone, who do you like? I love the New England Patriots tonight. So now it's becoming. Oh, you know what? You know what? You're right. I love the New England Patriots tonight, too. Yeah, you sons of bitches. Oh, yeah. What a win this is. Yeah, actually. Give me the Patriots plus three tonight against the Chicago Bears on prime. Thank you, Connor, for representing. Hey, let's go. Team ride, gentlemen. Come on, now. Team ride, not only that, also on the air, appearance. The future of the NFL is now. 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What an incredible accomplishment in a business in which they're trying to kick people out of on a regular basis to remain for two and a half decades at the top of the biz is a feat that I'm not sure anybody else will ever accomplish, but we'll certainly all be chasing. Congrats to Mike and Tony. I've seen Wilbon out here a couple of different times for the NBA stuff. Very cool to see legends in person. Very cool to see a show continue to dominate. Congrats to PTI. We hope to emulate you someday, but 25 years seems like a really long time to be doing one job, but maybe I'll be able to stick with it for the first time in my entire life. Be a friend. Team on me. Team on three. For the good of sport, baby. Hell yeah. NFL's back tonight. Let's enjoy it all. Love you, boys. Love you. Love you. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. Does checking your bank statements feel like digging through a dusty attic full of forgotten subscriptions and old free trials? 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