Speaker 1Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
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Speaker 1I thought in honor of that intro, you were going to give us a like a, ah, welcome in. It's me, Patrick.
Speaker 4Look, I get it. It's old, it's tired, but it's still funny to me.
Speaker 3It's not easy recovering from an ACL. That's pretty good. That is actually very good. That's pretty good.
Speaker 4That's pretty good, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3Ah, welcome into the podcast. Mike, the Fantasy Hitman, is here. Jason Moore, present, accounted for. I'm Andy Holloway, and we are back. And it is an exciting time in the world of fantasy football. Oh, man.
Speaker 4If you were on social medias yesterday, holy crap.
Speaker 3Well, yeah, we can talk about the gentee situation. The news that we've gotten since the red alert. It's been positive for Ashton Gentee. However, I don't know what situation. I mean, there were so many people in the middle of drafts. Yeah. Or that had drafted and had regrets with gentee that were drafting and didn't know where to take gentee or Mike Washington.
Speaker 4I mean, we should at least set it up if we're going to talk about it. There's some people who probably don't know what it is.
Speaker 3Okay. Well, I'll press pause and then we'll talk all the way through it. There we go. Lots going on. Almost too much. Almost too much. There's so much going on. But we do have a UDK for Life giveaway today. We will be live on YouTube, youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers. Oh, that's today. For a live stream. Yeah. Yes, Jason.
Speaker 5That's right. Yeah. Make sure you join us. 6 p.m.
Speaker 3Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific, giving away a signed Jamar Chase jersey as well as the UDK for Life. And maybe we'll do some other stuff. We'll see. But we'll be answering your questions. So you've got drafts coming up. I did a little poll this weekend and it looked like above 75%. If people still had their main drafts in the future, although a lot of people did do some drafts this weekend, a lot of you are in lots of leagues, so they're probably all over the place. I have one right now for the FFT Open that I am in the middle of doing. I took Puka Nakua at the sixth spot.
Speaker 5I mean, that's great getting him at six if he plays, you know.
Speaker 3So but we'll be live today and give away the UDK for Life. The way you are eligible to win that is to have purchased a UDK. The Ultimate Draft Kit, our number one draft day tool with all of our tiered rankings and 100 plus player profile videos. We've got tools for inside the draft, marking players, sleepers, breakouts, bus and values that we all agree on and probably injury stuff.
Speaker 4Look, injuries are an important thing to know. We got our our dude, certified PT Matthew Betts. He gives his thoughts on what's going on with certain injuries.
Speaker 3We were all over that Jinty situation, too. We were updating that as it as we could.
Speaker 5Yeah. I was like, what do we what do we do? How do we you know, the team took a knee, said prayers, had like a big successful prayers. You were right. Yeah. Thank goodness they did. Imagine if he didn't.
Speaker 3But again, make sure you get the UDK before the live stream. Ultimate Foot Climb members also eligible. And if you've bought it in the past since February, you're eligible to win as well. We have the Megaloball going on right now. Drafts are happening for the Megaloball. And this it's much more stormy this year. The Megaloball is stormier than previous years. The weather, the El Nino coming in, bringing the storms. Yeah. I mean, I don't remember there being storms in the previous.
Speaker 4It looks it looks awesome. Yeah. But it's also like, yeah, why? Sharks are pretty scary. Yeah. Sharks. You don't need lightning and stuff, but it's like doubling down.
Speaker 5But I think I was in the ocean. I'm scared of sharks. It is way more terrifying if it's lightning and storm. OK. Now I'm like, I just maybe I'm wanting the shark now.
Speaker 3The footballs in the background are a wonderful flotation device, though, if you are lost out there. There's no way your arms can. You'd have to climb one of those gigantic footballs. But over 9000 of you have joined up so far. We had over 21000 last year. Or those are teeny tiny sharks. You can go to Megaloball.com to pick a draft time and draft with us. I told you there's a lot going on, guys. And then on Friday, Friday, we have our our live show out here in Phoenix. And that will be the Saturday bonus episode of the show. So you'll be able to watch that. We'll be live at the Van Buren in Phoenix on Friday night with 800 strong, mighty foot clan members in attendance.
Speaker 5And I'm willing to bet right now someone is listening to this. They saved this episode. They're listening on their drive to Phoenix to see us at the live show. All right.
Speaker 3Before we get into the quick question. Quick shout out to Sleeper, by the way, for hosting the hosting the Megaloball.
Speaker 4So that same place it's been.
Speaker 3Yeah, it just makes it so makes it easier. All right. Any takeaways or reactions from week two of the preseason? I had four things that I wrote down and I'll just go through them really quickly. I wrote Titans defense down. I think it might be the number one team you to play against your players again. Oh, man. I was like, so is Andy.
Speaker 5So they they stood out more than the Titans offense.
Speaker 3I have Ward and Tate written down. What?
Speaker 5Maybe.
Speaker 3Yeah. Ward. Ward is playing that way. Kim Ward. Ward is the worst. Like J-Lo style. Or I mean, what was the Ben Affleck and J-Lo nickname?
Speaker 4Oh, when you when you combine them. Yeah.
Speaker 3The combo names.
Speaker 4What? What? What were they called? I can't think of any of this when they mash the two names together. I wasn't listening. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5J-Lo and Affleck. What was their? Didn't they? Benefer? Yeah.
Speaker 3Thank you, Kyle. Well, Ward sucks. Ward is not a good one. But Ward and Tate. I mean. Hope he's all right. Tate hasn't caught any passes in the preseason. He's had targets. I have to give Ian Harditz a shout out because he posted the season long projection for Carnell Tate.
Speaker 4Based off of.
Speaker 3And it was like one hundred and twenty five targets. Zero catches. Zero receptions.
Speaker 4Stupid Ian being so good at Twitter.
Speaker 3He's funny. I wrote. I wrote Stribling down. Obviously, he's had a great preseason. We talked about his both of his games. And then I just wrote Cleveland down as a word. I just put the word. What? I just put Cleveland down. I mean. Brother. I don't know. Dog pound.
Speaker 5This guy stinks. I mean. Dog pound. It's worse than Arizona. It's worse than Arizona. It is absolutely worse than Arizona. At least they have Miles Garrett. Oh. You might be able to. I'm not even saying football. Like football. You might win more games than the Cardinals. I hope you do as a Cardinals fan. But that situation. I mean. What a. Some franchises, man. What a joke.
Speaker 4When they were saying dog pound, I'm sure they were like, you know, it's the real. We're aggressive. We're dogs. They didn't like think through the sad part that happens at the pound. Yeah.
Speaker 3They are the dog pound. Oh, crap. Yeah. Just saying. Not all the dogs go to a happy home. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 5My takeaways from preseason were. You had some of the backups who've been injured forever. Jonathan Brooks. Marshawn Lloyd. Actually start. And play and do things. And it's like, oh, that's exciting. You had. You got to see Waddle and Bo Nix. Oh, that was cool. That was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 3I'm going to be honest with you. We say don't overreact to the preseason. Yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3When that play happened, I went and made a trade offer for Jalen Waddle.
Speaker 4Dude. I'm not even kidding. Welcome aboard. Yeah. Being hot and bothered. I mean. We're all. We've all got Waddle. It's exactly what.
Speaker 5When I said in the offseason where it was like, I was watching Bo Nix deep throws and I was like, man, he needs Waddle. And then that play happens. Like, that's exactly what they needed. They knew it. They went out and they got him. We saw the Bucky Irving, Kenneth Gainwell split.
Speaker 4That is a split.
Speaker 5Something might be. And I think the Christian Watson, Matthew Golden clearly confirmed two wide receiver sets. Right. Watson looked great. Golden looked good. Yeah. I tell, tell Sertan to knock it off.
Speaker 3Calm it. Calm down, man. One more. One more Titans bit was Pollard getting eight of eight opportunities. Oh, man. So go ahead. But don't. There's more news from me.
Speaker 1Big news to talk about. News and notes from around the league.
Speaker 3So the whole overview of the Ashton Gentry situation was mid Sunday. We were, you know, we're just having a nice day. Preseason was happening. You know, I was trying to relax. And then you get this news. The Ashton Gentry has gone down at practice. And that he had to be helped off the field. Couldn't put weight on one of his legs. And the team had gathered to like stop practice and have a moment.
Speaker 5And literally they stopped the music to the practice. This was what was reported. The team took a break, took a knee.
Speaker 3They started playing taps, right?
Speaker 5Yeah. And it was like, when you have that, I mean, you see that you see it all the time when something happens, an injury that's really bad. Yeah. Where the team has to take a knee. Yeah. And you go out of respect, you know what's going on, whether. And so we just.
Speaker 3just assumed we were waiting for the acl news yeah this could be significant yeah season ending the headline was like some people pulled like instantly some other sites pulled jenty instantly from their rankings people's drafts were going on we were actively talking in the moment like my instant plan for jenty was like we don't know how bad this injury is it seems do we pull them do we not i just took them down a little bit me too and i moved his risk rating all the way up and we had we updated the blurb and we kind of informed you in the middle of your draft but like if you go if you swing the pendulum all the way to he's out for the year without any confirmation this guy's off the draft boards mike washington is going in the
Speaker 5fourth or something and then so check this out kent wayrock uh former writer of ours tweeted this here's some trades that happened in this little tiny window in dynasty oh boy mike washington for blake quorum you got you got the yeah i mean i if you thought washington is a starter i guess mike washington and a first for jalen waddle oh someone got mike washington for uh they got a 2027 second for mike washington straight up uh how about this one straight up mike washington for brian thomas brian thomas jr a super young wide receiver who
Speaker 3was the wide receiver seven two years ago somehow those all i can kind of see them having in the
Speaker 5panic i can feel it and you've got mike washington in our dynasty league right yeah you should have
Speaker 3been did you even know that i didn't i don't think i brought that up during that whole someone may have situation um but listen here's the news if you're just coming around to it adam schefter ian rapaport co-reporting that jenty is believed to have sprained his ankle and it is not considered a long-term injury so he paul pierced it he went out he went down in a heap got lifted off the field paul pierce pooped his pants jenty i mean this i mean we all know it he knows it i don't believe that no no i think he's just uh you know he definitely pooped his pants remember he got uh wheelchaired out and then came back because of the poopy pants all right well uh can't walk so that's that's your news this could be high ankle this could be running into the beginning of the season that's we still don't have we don't have a diagnostic from the team or an announcement from the team we just
Speaker 4have reports from reporters because like if it's a low and i'm sorry for saying his name on the show low uh thank you if it's a low ankle sprain it's like okay well that's no big deal maybe he misses the like they'll just hold him out you know let him recover and he should be good to go week one if it's a low ankle sprain it's like okay well that's no big deal maybe he misses the like they'll if he has a high ankle sprain that's like a four to six week injury and we know that there is i you aren't full go right right when you come back from the from that injury so if you're drafting soon before that information comes out it's still it's the risk that you you have to either accept or pass on based on this little information that we have um we have news that
Speaker 3deshaun watson has been named as the next best player in the league the starter despite oh my the preseason games played i i had seen are you are you talking watson mike are you trying to react there's both there's okay well let's just finish i was reacting
Speaker 4to watson of the the uh his quotes going on social media of the he was not happy with uh what he felt was very disrespectful of of fans booing him even though he's been horrifically bad on the field the last time we saw him on the field he was not happy with what he felt was very disrespectful
Speaker 3of him so it was it was just like it's not performance it's personal but it could it could be both it could be both and 100 be both somebody gave me a hard time i posted uh his idea came from matt he he said is is deshaun watson a better player than a person or a better person than a player and i said neither and then well it was meant to trap yes um because you'd have to say one or the other and you don't want to no but the point somebody responded why are you giving him such a hard time other players have made mistakes we've all got our own opinion but here's my answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer and i'm going to give you the answer that's admitting you did wrong in this press conference he literally said he regrets nothing in his life like the way you approach these things i have you have a right to say what you want to say and i have a right to have an opinion based on what you say that's called like we all judge people that way it doesn't mean that look i don't know i haven't had a conversation with deshaun watson nor shall i but at the end of the day this guy faced up to nothing has been a 200 million was rewarded with it yeah for the yeah that the whole timeline is hey you did something wrong obviously you admitted and apologized for nothing you were given 200 million dollars you rewarded the franchise that gave you that money with the worst play on the field possible and then you came back and said you don't like the fan base and i i'll admit like when they were when there were cheers by fans when he hurt himself that crosses that crosses a line too but you also you you could have had that press conference and said you know what it's been a long road that was disappointing to hear but at the same time i gotta be better i want to be better and i want to i want to make this fan base it's not
Speaker 5hard you know what blew my mind is in that press conference when he's saying correctly he's like it's not they're not just upset we know that it's not just a play on the field it goes beyond that it's off field stuff you know it's like yes that's correct and then he goes so that's pretty hurtful it's like whoa i thought he was gonna say like so i understand you know that that's what the fans have to go through and i gotta get the play up instead he's like that's so
Speaker 3mean of you guys it's not like i mean fantasy wise casey conception great player great opportunity harold fannin great player great opportunity denzel boston's been flashing none of these guys i mean it is very fair to say none of them are going to be players that you can 100 guarantee are going to be great today because the watson is not playing good football shador was playing better than watson if you look at the preseason splits much higher completion percentage otherwise not that different and neither one of them is elite or even mid-tier in terms of production so you know fannin the volume probably safe conception on the upside might be nerfed and uh they might want the first pick to turn the page officially the last two times why did you draft dylan gabriel can i just say that a third round pick last year you drafted him he wasn't even a part of the worst quarterback competition in the history of football stefanski tried to make him
Speaker 4he gave him the first shot over shador he it wasn't good enough yeah okay but so the last two times that watson has played for the cleaver browns which would have been 23 and 24 uh you know completing about 62 of his passes that's not bad except at six and a half yards per attempt and 5.3 yards per attempt while fumbling five times pro bowler in six games and seven games like watson is just go i mean fan and the play on the field for watson is not acceptable for a franchise quarterback i that's so that you can remove literally everything just say you're not even good enough to you shouldn't be on an nfl team well the news we got while we were talking
Speaker 1breaking news you can see this jason i did not travion henderson left practice early monday
Speaker 3after slipping during a cut of course god is right ankle and foot and leg looked at um was this rabel buttering up the field dude this is this is uh well i thought he had missed practice yesterday or on saturday for unknown reasons and then this is saying early monday so after another maybe he's dealing with something because uh he slipped on a cut i'm gonna i'm gonna spoil something real quick and and just take it like my we're doing players were embarrassed to love today and we're going to give you a name that we're very embarrassed to to publicly state that we are fans of and then we're going to throw in like a sean watson no it isn't that's good though that would have been a great setup for me during the event unbelievable but then we're going to throw just another name out there that is also a name or embarrassed to love and ramond
Speaker 5ray's the name for today for brother it's a great it all of my all of my pro trevo takes and and and hope does not in any way shape or form say that i think ramond is a fantastic pick where he's going
Speaker 3right now i mean he is two rounds behind trevion henderson and i had no clue that this injury was happening but one of the things i was going to say was that we all say like if ramond goes down trevion's a monster well it goes the other way too and i was going to bring that up but we had comments before the injury from the two of the biggest beat writers in new england this past three days so greg bedard and andrew callaghan boston globe boston sports journal bedard said not even a discussion ramond ray is way better back at everything that's the quote andrew callaghan stevenson is clearly the rb1 and doesn't want to and he didn't want to hear about 50 50 splits yeah and so you take the now you got an injury like i don't i don't say with pride that i want to take ramond ray but i did something i've never done before in my life this past weekend and i opened up a trade window i opened up a trade window before this news to try to pick up now then now it's ruined because trevion now i can't get ramond
Speaker 1ray okay all right do you hear yourself maybe i can maybe it's not ruined but hey in the seventh
Speaker 3round in the sixth round there's a chance that ramond ray comes out now i mean i don't know what this injury is but either way you should have a viable starter on a really good team yeah good offense you want pieces of good offenses so that's crazy news though and we'll monitor that i mean that is uh up in the air right now george kittle activated off the pup Christian McCaffrey after tightness for a long time finally returned to practice said that taking time off in camp, was part of the plan.
Speaker 5That was so good to hear. Yeah, no injury. Two different reasons. One, no injury, and two, that they are, like, literally worried about it and keeping him fresh because they're doing it because they want to give him the ball a ton. Dajon Stribling was practicing.
Speaker 4Why would they not just say something? Like, your coach is having to field questions. Well, can you, like – Just be like, hey, this is part of the plan.
Speaker 3It's weird, though, right? Can you just mark them down as, like, rest day in training camp? Or do you have to mark them down as an injury? You probably have to mark something. And that's what tightness was. I feel like they get in trouble if they don't say it after or something. I don't know. Dajon Stribling, non-contact jersey, had a minor shoulder injury. Parker Washington returned to practice, but Jacoby Myers was seen in a brace on his right hand in Friday's preseason game. I hate to say it, but I'm like, you know, one piece removed from the Jacksonville wide receiver room and things start to become a lot easier to project. We'll see what Jacoby Myers' health is like. Michael Pinnock Jr. cleared for 11-on-11.
Speaker 5It's been a pretty good offseason for Pinnock's. I mean – As he's done nothing? As he's done nothing. He has not been able to show his skill, which is great news for him. And Tua, at the same time, has been awful. So, like, you can't imagine a better setup for Pinnock's. You didn't – I mean, it's perfect. Yeah. You look great, and you didn't have to do anything. Exactly. Well played, Michael.
Speaker 3There have been conversations –
Speaker 4I would stay out a little bit longer. Yeah, about one more week. You're going to walk right into the starting job.
Speaker 3Yeah, just hang out a little bit longer. Woody Marks had a great preseason game. That's something we should have brought up. And the news out of Houston Chronicle, at least one beat writer, says the workload might not be 50-50, but will be close between Montgomery and Woody Marks.
Speaker 4You do not like hearing that if you're a – like, the entire argument for Montgomery – for Montgomery is he is everything for that backfield.
Speaker 3I still feel like Jason was right, though, on the last show, about, like, not seeing Monty at all is saying something about that situation.
Speaker 4Yeah, he's the starter. I mean, they trade for him. They give him money. He's the locked-in starter. And you need to – but people have to play. So they have Woody Marks out there. It's just what is the percent? That's the entire – the bet on David Montgomery. Yeah. If Woody Marks is, like, 30%, all right, you're probably fine. Oh, you're totally fine if he's 30%. But if you're looking at 40% to 45%, then you have a big problem for David Montgomery.
Speaker 3Chris Bell, this is exciting. Dolphins wide receiver. If you don't know who he is, rookie wide receiver. He is practicing without a non-contact jersey. I saw a clip of Chris Bell running some routes. It looked explosive. We did the leader of the pack segment last week on the Dolphins wideouts. We all admitted. But, like, if Chris Bell was the healthiest, we probably would all be in that camp.
Speaker 5He was certainly the most highly touted coming out of college, if not for his knee injury. He was a borderline first-round pick, and they got him at a discount because he was coming off of the ACL. So it's exciting because this is a team that needs someone to step up. The reason I think we landed on Caleb Douglas is because, you know, you hope that someone in a nebulous situation is able to say, hey, I'm a special player. We know that that's not Tutu Atwell. Maybe Malik Washington steps forward, but we've seen him a long time. I don't think it's him. But Chris Bell and Caleb Douglas now have opportunities.
Speaker 3The Chargers officially placed their newly signed center, Tyler Biotish, on injured reserve, ending his season.
Speaker 1Oh, my gosh. The people hate it. It's terrible. It's the worst.
Speaker 3Preloaded excuse for Herbert. All set?
Speaker 5You got to have him in the barrel.
Speaker 3Yeah. The thing about Biotish was weird. It was weird because he was cut. You know what I mean? It's in the barrel. It should have been in the chamber.
Speaker 4If it's in the barrel, I think it's just loose rattling around in there.
Speaker 5Does he load six or seven in the barrel? I'm curious about this. If you've got one in the barrel and then you shoot one from the chamber. You don't want to do that. Is that a boom boom? You don't want to do that.
Speaker 3That's one of those cartoon guns where they peel back all four sides of the gun. I think it's like when they knot it. Yes.
Speaker 4The bad's going to happen to your hand. Okay. Get it out of the barrel.
Speaker 3But look, this is not good. Chargers. Rashawn Slater's back at practice. I'll say that. Okay. That's good news.
Speaker 4This really stinks for the Chargers.
Speaker 3We also have news from the Panthers head coach, Dave Canales. He said if Chuba is good to go, if Chuba is good to go, he'll be running back by committee in week one.
Speaker 4I feel like Canales is hard to trust when it comes to how he talks about his running backs.
Speaker 3To me, this is a step up from if Chuba's good to go. If Chuba's good to go, he's our guy. It's a step up from if Chuba's good to go, he's been our starter, he's been our tried and true guy, we're going to lean on him. I mean, week one.
Speaker 5It's also a step up. It's not just a step up to saying, hey, it's going to be a 50-50, you know, they're going to share it. Sure, a committee. But also, it's more if he's ready week one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a fair point. This is, I mean, if he comes back, you're not going to have Chuba. Like, I can't imagine. If you draft Chuba right now, you can't start him week one. Right? There's no world where you can start Chuba Hubbard in week one.
Speaker 4I'm trying to tell people, I think Chuba is just, you're taking one of your picks, you're just setting it on fire.
Speaker 3I am very pro Jonathan Brooks. Jonathan Brooks. Big time. One quick reminder on the Travion news, if more recovery news comes out, they are the first game of the season. That's the Wednesday, September 9th game. Oh, boy. So, we'll see if Ramondre or Travion are together or not. Oh, boy, that's a lot of news. We got so much going on. Anything else? Anything else? Anybody else twist to something? How are the groins doing these days?
Speaker 5Are we butterfly stretching? I think more butterfly stretching has been taking place. We're getting the word out. Yeah, we're trying our best. But, yeah, fewer, the groins are.
Speaker 3Can you patent, like, a move and no one else can use the move without paying you? Your stretch? Like a stretch. Hmm, I'm going to look into that. Like, you catch somebody doing it and you're like, that's five bucks. I would like to patent the butterfly stretch. Yeah. All right, well, we'll take a break. We'll come back with Players We're Embarrassed to Love.
Speaker 2Players We're Embarrassed to Love.
Speaker 3I hear something embarrassing. I forgot that. Papa Josh says he can butterfly stretch the knees to the ground on both sides.
Speaker 5Wow, that is embarrassing. That is embarrassing.
Speaker 3That's too flexible for me. Yeah. I mean, says an unflexible person.
Speaker 5I mean, do you? Inflexible, but can you do the splits? Get wrecked!
Speaker 2I can't recover after that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5Can you do the splits? That's one of those, like, really cool things that feels like a shameful thing. Like, I'm embarrassed. This is the I'm embarrassed to love? Yeah.
Speaker 1I would be embarrassed to be like, watch me do these splits. I'd feel that way, too.
Speaker 4I would be like Jean-Claude out there. I'd be like. I'd be like, any excuse to do the splits. I'd be like, you need that light turned on?
Speaker 5Let me put it. Let me ask you this way.
Speaker 4Oh, I see your counters are close together.
Speaker 5Splits. If we were walking out into the lobby for lunch. Yeah. And Matt Pingree, the Falcon, just drops into his dead splits. Just drops on the floor. Splits. Well, that's embarrassing. Yeah. You have to have a fake reason to do it. Okay. All right. Because he wouldn't. He'd just drop. He'd just drop. Like, maybe he dropped his wallet. But what if he did it on purpose? So, whoops. Well, yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 4Okay.
Speaker 3Like I said, any excuse. All right. Players, we're embarrassed to love. We've each got a name or two. It's time to go public.
Speaker 4All right. I mean, I feel like mine and Jason are. People already kind of know about it. But yours is.
Speaker 3Yeah. I mean, I can start. You could still. You could pivot. I already told you, Ramondre. But this. No. You can change right now. And no one will be. You don't have to do that. None the wiser. No one would know. No.
Speaker 4Let me say this. We know, but. This was the pivot. Wait. It was worse than this? This was the pivot. It was Watson. I knew it.
Speaker 3No, it wasn't.
Speaker 6I knew it.
Speaker 3No, this was the pivot for Kyle Pitts. He was placed in a couple other spots. More significant than being on the Players I'm Embarrassed to Love show. Okay. This was. He's not your MVP or my guy anymore. This was a my guy and an MVP candidate. Oh. And you guys said the same thing in the office. You told me. You don't have to do it. You don't have to do this. And so he found a home on this show. And it's Kyle Pitts. Tied in for the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 4You were loving that Michael Pennix news.
Speaker 3Gross. I am obviously embarrassed to say that I love Kyle Pitts this year. Yes, you should. But I do. I do love Kyle Pitts this year. He will be on so many of my teams because of the draft cost, because he will be a. He will be a 7th round, late 6th round pick. Last year, you know, the fantasy finish. What was he? Two? Tied in two. I know he had the insane game. But look, the capacity to have a game like that. Signs the three-year $36 million guaranteed extension. The two left-handed mediocre quarterbacks that he has, especially the one that's going to start the season, is so inept. And what do you call it when you're like in the pocket? gun shy, like just absolutely afraid of pressure. and throws the ball short all over the place. I think Kyle Pitts, look, I have more confidence that he has a season worth being proud of than I do right now about, like, the Drake-London having the Jefferson-style year. He led the Falcons in routes, targets, receptions, receiving yards last year. Only McBride did that in the NFL. Tua's area of the field is low ADOT. We know this. 63% of his temps under 10 yards. The one preseason game we saw them together, it was like four out of five plays Kyle Pitts caught a pass. I think the PPR value of Kyle Pitts is going to be through the roof. Kevin Stefanski's coming in as the head coach.
Speaker 4This is the one that can, I mean, it does assuave you, but if anything was going to do it, it would be this one.
Speaker 3Kevin Stefanski, his target share for the tight end position, that's a routinely targeted position for Stefanski in 2025 last year, 32% of the targets. But it's like 26%. 26% or higher for the last six years as a head coach. And so to me, this one is a, this is an easy button to tight end, which Pitts has never been. He has been drafted now in six consecutive years. This is the second lowest draft price that you've ever gotten on, on Kyle Pitts. And so basically here's what the fantasy community did. He was drafted in the 10th round last year, basically the 11th. He had a tight end two season. He won people fantasy playoff games. And then they're like, we'll move you to the mid, mid season. Round. So nobody's bought into the degree they're burnt more than they're bought in. And so to me, this one is an obvious, look, I don't like it. I'm not proud of it, but I'm there. And Kyle Pitts will be on a ton of my teams. What are you, where are you guys with Kyle Pitts?
Speaker 5He'll be on none of my teams, but that isn't because I'm anti Kyle Pitts. I think that where, I mean, I've talked about this a lot, whether you like Laporta for you guys, you love craft. Obviously if, if his injury is, is totally gone, I get that, but all those middle round tight ends, you're sacrificing running backs and wide receivers that I think are more valuable shots to take. So I won't have him if he was in, you know, if he drops to the 10th round, like he should, I would pull the trigger on him. I do think that there is enough talent there. They paid the man. There's enough opportunity there.
Speaker 3They're really, I mean, let me, let me bring up, sorry, go ahead and finish.
Speaker 5I was just saying, we're, you know, we were talking up Zachariah branch, a late, late round draft pick who weighs, you know, a hundred pounds at wide receiver because someone else has to catch the ball there.
Speaker 3A lot of people want to point to the three touchdown, 166 yard game in week 15 as you know, being the only reason that Kyle Pitts had a good fantasy season. It kind of, he turned it on from week 13 on. And I know Drake London, the injury, but you saw the ability, 82 yards, 90 yards, one 66, 57, 58 yards. It was a good end of the season. They paid him the money. He was going to have suitors. I'm in. Yeah. I'm trying to do the thing. We said, wipe the slate clean and look at it objectively. And to me, like, let me give you an example. My, my league of record team is going to need a tight end.
Speaker 4I mean, but that's it really. And it's a, it is the strongest roster in the, whatever, the 20 years, strongest roster going into season.
Speaker 3That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 4Oh, I, it's, it's factual. That's a lot of information.
Speaker 3Yeah. Yeah. Did you want me to read it? Yeah, I will. Uh, Josh Allen, please. Jameer Gibbs. Okay. Kenneth Walker, Devon HN, CD lamb. I'm on Ross St. Brown.
Speaker 4Right. In a three keeper. Yeah. Three. You have managed to take everyone's keepers.
Speaker 3Yes. Everyone asks me when I posted that this morning, they go, how do you have six keepers in a three keeper league? After I keep a deadline, you can trade picks for players. I had a lot of picks. I traded for some of the players.
Speaker 5If you don't win, what an embarrassment.
Speaker 3I know we're setting this season up. This way. I want to get it out of the way. Um, terrifying. You've had a super team before and it lost a lot of games.
Speaker 5It started, uh, poorly. Jason, let me ask you a question. Poorly.
Speaker 3Super teams don't win, man.
Speaker 4Super team over here. The super is, uh, it is the super, it's the superest of super teams that the league of record has ever seen before. Yes. Week one. I would be going for a repeat. Which of those, which would, yeah. Which would you prefer to not happen?
Speaker 5I want Andy to win a hundred times.
Speaker 4So you're, you are on team super team. Just for the record.
Speaker 5That is like the question of is Sean Watson a better,
Speaker 1you said you're telling me two terrible options,
Speaker 3two terrible options, but you love the Dodgers, right? That's what you're saying. Jason does love super team. Like when Kevin Durant joined the Warriors, you're like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5I will say this. I want the Dodgers to break baseball so that they fix it.
Speaker 3I want them to, this was a Kyle Pitt,
Speaker 5not lose another game until you, until you,
Speaker 3all I'm saying is, is like Kyle Pitts is one of the targets for me late in the draft. It's depending on where he dropped.
Speaker 4I have a, what I was going to say,
Speaker 3if you want to take them from me, I dare you.
Speaker 4Like I already have Kyle Pitts projected under market. So he's not a player that will be a target for me.
Speaker 3Okay. Well,
Speaker 5Jason, we'll move on to a player that I am embarrassed to love. Cause it just seems like old busted for a young third year wide receiver, old busted Roma Dunes. A nobody likes him. It's Colson Loveland. It's Luther burden. You look at the ADP right now. Luther burden is everyone is in love. You watch the film. I'm in love, but also we're projecting him to have to usurp Luther or Roma Dunes in targets in a way that he didn't do last year. You know, you, you look at last year, Rome led the team in first read targets, led the team in first read target share. When Caleb was pressured, like that was the guy that he looked to. Now, maybe that whole, same flips fine. But what if it doesn't? Because one of these guys is sitting in the sixth round and Roma Dunes, a here's the thing that the embarrassing thing for me to say, I think he's good. And I feel like that's pretty embarrassing. Yeah. See like Mike, you talk crap about Rome. You, you know, Oh, I can't separate. Um, you know, he's slow. Now you got the foot problem. I'm embarrassed,
Speaker 3but you're embarrassed in, you must have Rome above burden. Otherwise it wouldn't be embarrassed.
Speaker 5I have Roman burden basically back to back in my ranking. Kings. I, I have Roman almost every draft. We just did a mock draft. What? You know, Friday, our last episode,
Speaker 4I took Rome in that you have consistently been on the, the Rome side.
Speaker 5Yeah. And, and just as a reminder, I brought this up in the early off season, but to, to remind you, or if you're back for the first time, Roma Dunes, a in year two, as, as a top 10 NFL draft pick in year two, broke out. He was awesome. The first month of the season, he was the wide receiver three and fantasy. He got injured leading into the week nine game. That's when he popped up. On the, the injury report with the foot issue. So that's a big chunk of the first half of the season. He was a wide receiver one going into week nine, that seven game stretch. He was on pace for 136 targets, 75 receptions, 1150 yards and 12 touchdowns. He had 27 in zone targets in his first two years, seventh most among wide receivers. He's a good player. Then he got, then he got his foot injured. Couldn't really play well. The next few games, he was on pace. That next stretch for 44 receptions, 639 yards. Like he was, he was bad. So they shelved them and he had to deal with the foot injury. Now we're into the next season year three. It used to be the year two breakout for wide receivers. That was like for fantasy. You just always draft year two wide receivers. Then all of a sudden year one, wide receivers were so good that year two, they kind of took steps back like lad McConkie and Brian Thomas jr. The year three for some of these guys, JSN had that year three breakout. I love Roma dunes, a Marvin Harrison jr. And I'm embarrassed to admit that because it's a little gross. They suck in there, but they're in the exact same situation. I want the bears player with Caleb and Ben Johnson in that situation. But I, I look, I love Roma dunes and drafts and maybe it's a, maybe it's a mistake, but I will, I will be the one making it.
Speaker 3I think, I think part of what people have trouble with is saying they love Roma dunes. It means that they love him more than those other two guys. Yeah.
Speaker 5The, the idea that Rome leads this team in targets, I think to most people is like, that's not going to happen. And for me, I go, that's, that's, that's, it is possible. I have him. I basically have him and Loveland as almost near the same in, in targets, both equally leading this team. Well, speaking of the Chicago bears,
Speaker 4I'm right here with you.
Speaker 3Did you both pick bears?
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 3Am I embarrassed about this all summer? I don't even know if you're embarrassed anymore. Uh,
Speaker 5did we pick this just because it's embarrassed? Okay. Mike. Yeah. Oh, I didn't get my swish out. Dadgummit. I couldn't,
Speaker 4I couldn't tell if I loved it or hated it. Is it embarrassing?
Speaker 3If I had said swish. Is it embarrassing to like bears?
Speaker 4No, but this is just because this is a personal one for me. It's Deandre Swift. If you have been a listener of the fantasy footballers podcast for any stretch of time, you have basically heard me say only negative things about Deandre Swift. I have,
Speaker 3it's been part of your platform.
Speaker 4I have relished every opportunity. I could to dunk on Deandre Swift. Uh, I don't know if he probably wasn't an embarrassed to love, but it's like last year coming into the season. I kind of liked a seventh round rookie running back in Kyle. My nun guy, because I disliked Deandre Swift so much. I'm like, give me anyone on this team who can, can play running back, 'cause Swift, tremendous top tier athlete. His skills at the running back position, I think have been lackluster, but now at this point, it doesn't matter. And why it's embarrassing, DeAndre Swift is going as a running back 24 of ADP over on sleeper in the fifth round. I have him as a fringe running back one. I am, my chips are so in on DeAndre Swift. The situation is fantastic. Last year, he set career highs in rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, rush success rate, yards from scrimmage because he is athletic. We saw his success on the Eagles. When he had a good offensive line, he's so fast, he can make things happen. The Chicago offensive line plus the Ben Johnson scheme. So last, what the Bears were able to accomplish with Ben Johnson, they went from 21st to third in rushing. Success rate. And this is a team that had Swift on 2024 yards before contact with from 26 to six, their PFF run block rank from 14 to third. Like this is a strong offensive line. It's an offensive guru. And DeAndre Swift is the main guy. And now Kyle Monunga is dealing with his own. What's going on with him? He's dealing with an injury. It was like this weird, mysterious thing. He, he, he will be back, but the point is you can get a hot start here from a player who's barely being drafted. He's got a lot of time. He's got a lot of time. He's got a lot of time. He's drafted as a running back 24. They're favored in a, what? Five of their first six games, Carolina, Minnesota, Philly, the jets. That's the first four matchups for DeAndre Swift. I don't think his ADP makes sense. It's disgusting. I'm having to swallow my pride on this one and just say that DeAndre Swift is, I think he's one of the best picks in the draft right now.
Speaker 3Yeah. You've been pretty consistent with that. And then the Monunga injury news is just compounding it. It, it almost feels like they became resigned to the reality that Swift works in this offense
Speaker 5and they're going to use him. Yeah. The last I see about the Monunga news, he hyperextended his knee. It's going to miss multiple weeks. It is not known what his status will be for week one.
Speaker 4We're making memes about DeAndre Swift over here. It's just happening.
Speaker 3What are the other two? You guys have a couple. I mentioned Ramondre. Do you have a couple other? I can give mine because it is disgusting. It's,
Speaker 4it's the three. Well, what happened was I did the three headed dragon and I put Roma Dunzey on there and now the, uh, I know the producers are running away with it. He did the three headed dragon where it was Rome. Well, no, it was Loveland and Burton. They're the serious ones. And then there's Dunese on the edge and it's Roma Dunzey. Um, I'll throw out the name because this one is, it's wild, but it is, I'm throwing it out. Marshawn Lloyd. Uh, you love him. I, I'm just, I'm fading Josh Jacobs for better or for worse for this season. Like all there are reasons why Josh Jacobs makes complete sense as a fantasy pick and everything should just be full status quo. He was an absolute touchdown machine. You know, they just dealt with the, the efficiency he had last year. They just dealt with it. I mean, partly because Marshawn Lloyd can't stay on the field, but I'm just, I'm, I'm at the point now where I, I'm not drafting Josh Jacobs and it's a, well, let's take, let's take some shots at this green Bay. I like green Bay's offense and maybe Marshawn Lloyd will end up being the player that they drafted in the third round a couple of years ago. So I'm just, I'm, it's kind of like that hedge. If you're going to fade one player, take a shot on the other one. Who's Marshawn Lloyd is completely free in drafts. And maybe he gets more work than you are anticipating right now. Yeah. Maybe a,
Speaker 5maybe a late last second suspension for Jacobs doesn't seem like it's going to happen, but if you
Speaker 4draft Lloyd and then all of a sudden there's suspension and then there's just, like I said, the efficiency great on the goal line, but in between, I will say in support of yours,
Speaker 5there has been more very similar to my argument for Mason. There's been more wide zone runs, which definitely does not fit Jay Jacobs and does fit Marshawn Lloyd. I am not fading Jacobs. I think he's going to be fantastic this year because great offense. Like you said, you want a good piece of that. I think Jacob plays the season and is great and scores, you know, 12 plus touchdowns, but if you're fading him, that's a good pick. I'll throw one name out there. I'm embarrassed to love Dalton Kincaid. I, because I've been in and gotten burned on him before, you know, it's like his sophomore year. I was very bullish. I thought he was going to break out. He has hurt his knee from that point forward and never been healthy, but this camp people have talked about, he's more involved in every facet. He's been at every single practice. His knee is healthy for the first time in years. And if you look at like targets per route run those type, he's 2.73 yards per route run best of all tight ends in the league. He's just playing 30% of snaps. If he plays 70% of snaps for the bills, if these trends continue, I mean, I will have 2000 yards. So I'm just saying if he gets more opportunities for a great quarterback, uh, that they could use him, uh, it'd be, it'd be good for, for a late round tight end.
Speaker 3I'll throw another name out there since I spoiled Ramond earlier. I'll just say Malik Willis has been in that camp for me all. Oh, I'm I'm with it. So I think, I think Malik Willis, I think, I think the dolphins in general, like, like I made a trade for HN and I gave up Hampton and I gave up more to get Josh Allen back to, no, I know, but I mean, it just, just on paper, but the bet is, yeah, the bet is on HN. Yeah. I mean, even when I was negotiating with the HN manager, they wanted a lot more than Hampton. And it's like, I I'm still willing to do it.
Speaker 5Cause my belief in HN is this, this is Devon HN, not the junior. Yeah. Just because you were talking about trying to trade for the other. Yeah. With you second. Yeah. I want
Speaker 3all the, anybody named HN. I'm kind of into that, but Trevor's still out there, but yeah, I think Malik Willis and the dolphins could be a little bit interesting in general. So let's go ahead and take a break and do some mailbag. Oh man. I almost hit the embarrassed to love drop again. I would have been embarrassed. All right. Okay. Here we go. Evan in North Carolina, by the way, if you have a question for the show, we are here to help you win your league. Go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. Click that submit a question button or Jason, they can dial the voicemail hotline. Just don't mess up three zero two four six four TFFB or please mess up. If you mess up, we will hear it at Brooksville. And then he'll laugh. Evan in North Carolina. Have you ever taken a first round keeper? I'm trying to decide between CMC as a late first or Kyle Pitts in the
Speaker 510th. I mean, that's an easy CMC CMC. And that's coming from the guy that just is embarrassed to love Kyle Pitts. What you got to do is ask yourself at the end of the draft, which player you want to see on your team. Yeah. Taking a first round pick on a keeper is normal if it is a high
Speaker 3end guy or you don't have any better options. Jonathan in Los Angeles, sub ballers, knowing that the substation requires NFL human sacrifices and Christian McCaffrey seems to be quietly in for the 49ers backup job. Kalen Black, Jordan James, who is hurt, but I think we're turned to
Speaker 5practice. Yeah, it's, it's been Kalen Black by default. I came into this off season, definitely on the Jordan James side. And it seemed like Jordan James was the correct backup, but then he's been injured the whole camp. So to be honest right now, I'm not really in on either of them. Like in the draft, drafting insurance backs is fine. If you have complete, like, you know, Blake Corum will be that guy who gets the role. Should the starter be injured? You don't know here. So this is more of a, a situation I'll pick up off of the waiver wire. And I will say the substation human sacrifice portion of this. I think I'm starting to realize that's why they brought Mike Evans in. They brought him in because he can keep getting injured over and over and over. They are, they are one. Whoa, that one got me. Yeah, me too, man. That went straight to the spine. That was pretty scary, but I liked it when there was no sound. Yeah. The, uh, uh, the pieces of Mike Evans body are slowly being disassembled to sacrifice for Christian McCaffrey is what it seems like, which is such a shame. I wanted Mike Evans. He's such a perfect fit. If he's healthy, he's going to be great any week that he's out there, which will be at least three. On the other
Speaker 3hand, though, he's the worst fit to go to San Francisco ever a team that just deals with injury. I mean, I, I'll tell you this right now. I've got some stats for you on that, on their injury history coming up on the live show. It's going to blow your mind. Um, Andre in Rhode Island, Jason keeps mentioning, mentioning his Felix model. What exactly is the Felix model? Uh, the Felix model is kind of a
Speaker 5machine learning. We, I have tens of thousands of different data pieces that, um, from college production, uh, physical traits, attributes, all of that. And then capital. Yeah. Draft capital. Once that's figured out. And then it's a specific position by position scoring that models based on what has happened in the past to try to find successful, uh, predictive analytics. And so essentially it puts players in a percentile score within their position of hopeful future success. And so this is the first year I've had it, but we back test the data and it looks great going backwards. So I'm excited to see how it goes for this year's prospects. This is mostly dynasty stuff. Yeah. It's, it's definitely a, it's a score to project incoming players who have not played a snap at the NFL. and what their likelihood of success is based on all the analytics. And my Felix model is in the UDK. So if you've got the Ultimate Draft Kit, which you should get. It's in the Dynasty Pass. Yeah, so take a look there.
Speaker 3YouTube question from B4. Where can you find fun competitive leagues to play in? You mentioned a platform once. I cannot remember it. Thank you.
Speaker 4Our suggestion would be footclanetleagues.com, which really just puts you into our Discord.
Speaker 5Yeah, and that will connect you with all sorts of great people that you can find leagues with. However, right now, if you're looking for a great league, I don't know, man. Maybe get to the Megaloball. Megaloball.com. We're all playing in it. And you get a chance to win a Listener League spot next year if you win.
Speaker 3And an Ultimate Footclanet membership for life. So that is going to do it for today's episode of the show. Please join us this afternoon, 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific. Head over to YouTube and click the bell so you're alerted when we're live. YouTube.com slash The Fantasy Footballers. Lots of great shows coming up this week. My Guys coming this week. That's right. The official My Guys episode. It's going to be awesome. We've got an ADP Risers episode, underrated stacks, mailbag, lots of stuff going on. And let's all just, whatever the Raiders guys, whatever the Raiders guys, that, that prayer, let's just harness it for all of the other training camp injuries for this week. I really don't want to talk about more injured players. I don't at all. Knees to the ground. We'll see you on YouTube this evening. Take care, everybody. Goodbye.
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