Players We Keep Drafting! Pickens, Herbert, Waddle, Likely & More! (08/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

This is Fantasy Football today from CBS Sports. Swallow Play! Can you believe this? It's a no again. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. To the races, play states, play states, play states, play states, play states, play states. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Big day today, it is hump day, it is Wednesday, August 26th, been counting down until Wednesday, August 26th, because it's our DraftAthon show tonight. Please join us from five to eight PM Eastern. You, the audience, will be interacting with us and we're reading your chat questions and we're going to have a mock draft during the show with two spots in the draft just for the audience. And then you get to vote in a poll and make the pick. How cool is that? And we're all here today on this Wednesday morning to tell you the players that we keep on drafting here for 2026. I'm Adam Azer. Dave Richard is back. Hey Dave. What's up, fool? How's your trip? Good. I'm tired. Saw a lot of stuff. Can't wait to tell you guys about it. Yes. We're going to hear about that. He's he went to Raiders Camp and saw Ash and Gentie get hurt and then be okay. And I don't know how okay he is, but he definitely got hurt. Saw the jaguars. He saw the bucks. So we'll get some inside info from Dave. Hello, Heath. Were you there when Brian Thomas got hurt also right in front of me? Literally right in front of me. Well, you know, I don't go in the room with Dave this week. Jeez, he's got no kidding. Well, he was there in the last seven days. I've heard of running back a wide receiver, a pizza restaurant. We I'm on a roll. Yep. And you heard, and you heard dad belching for a half hour, too. Is that that killed me? All right. Let's, here's what we're going to do. We're going to do the players we keep on drafting, but with a little bit of a twist. I'm going to, I'm going to argue against them. I'm going to play a little devil's advocate. Make you defend not all of them, too, for each of you. We've sort of, I feel like we've moved past that portion of draft preview or where we're debating things. And I think we need to get back to that. Let's, you know, let's have some debates here. Yeah. So let's do part one of players. We keep drafting with a twist and just give me two. You gave me kind of longer lists. But we'll go one each and then we'll go one each again. Let's start with Heath. Who's a player you keep drafting? I didn't give you a long list. I gave you like three and a half guys. Yeah, but we can start with the guy that up until Jamie took him in our last draft. I had drafted in every real draft that I'd done so far this season and it's Sam Laporta. Okay. So you want me to just get right into the why you why you think everybody's heard my case for Sam Laporta 75,000 times this off season. So you can go ahead and do your well researched. He heard his back last year, his hip hurts right now. That's a problem. Well, yeah. I mean, it's, it's like, I wonder sometimes if we, I think I'm guilty of this too. It's like, I really like a player so much and then he gets hurt in the preseason. And I don't want to care, right? And I don't discount him enough. How much of you discounted him since the hip injury, which may not be a big deal at all. Right. I haven't really because it was like, he got hit really hard in the hip. I've heard nothing about any structural concerns, any ligament concerns, anything like that. If it was like something where it could have been related, like he's got sciatica and it's related to a back injury or he's got a hip flexor that he like pulled or something like that than I probably would have. I think it's, it's really, and it's probably just because we have so much more coverage than we used to, but I think it would be a shorter list. If you made a list of guys who have not gotten hurt this preseason, then guys who have gotten hurt this preseason, like we had six guys get hurt yesterday. And most of them, we don't think it's probably any big deal. We're going to get to week four. And there's going to be like eight guys that we say, yeah, we should have known. He was hurt in this in the preseason. Well, so we're 80 other guys. Well, why are we talking? He's back at practice. Right. This is like a good thing. Okay. So my other arguments against Sam Laporta have nothing to do with the injury. He was tied in one overall, tied in three per game as a rookie in that season. James and Williams played 12 games and had 42 targets. Since then, Sam Laporta has been tied in nine per game and tied in seven per game. Obviously, James said Williams has had a bigger role in that stretch. Additionally, you could even look at last year. He was tied in seven per game, played nine games. He had 49 targets. So he's getting what's how many targets per game? Is that nine divided by 49 divided by nine? Not a lot of five and a half targets per game. And in that stretch, James and Williams wasn't even getting targets. James Williams is getting about five targets per game. So I'm worried that he's a really good player, Sam Laporta, but hasn't shown that he can be an elite tight end when James and Williams is involved. And even when James and Williams wasn't that involved. And then the next two games after the buy before he got hurt, you had both of them get 13 targets. They made a point after the buy even before the Laporta injury. Say we got to get James and Williams more involved. They did both at 13 targets in weeks. I want to say nine and 10 and then Laporta got hurt. So it's really the, my biggest concern is that he just hasn't been an elite tight end without James and with James and Williams, really, you know, being a part of the offense. Where would you get at? Yeah, rounds seven at the earliest. He has around seven ADP. He is currently being drafted as tight in six fraction, like not even a full spot, fraction of a spot ahead of Tucker craft. Probably will change by tomorrow with the rate. Laporta's been falling in drafts. So I think the like he's not proven that he can be an elite tight end, except for the year that he finished as the number one tight end with James and Williams. Well, right. I don't think I think that most of the history we have suggests that when those two are on the field, it's been more Laporta than James and Williams. And they just hired Drew Petzing as their offensive coordinator. By the way, look at where he's going right now over the last five days on NFC draft position, an average of opposition that's 71 drafts. Sam Laporta is going 99th. It's tight end eight. That's also, but at the same time, the tight end ADP is pretty low. Tucker craft 80th, Kyle Pitz, 81st, Harold Fanon, 92nd, Sam Laporta 99th. That'd be amazing value. All right, Jamie, you're up. Give me a player. I don't know who you have an argument for. I mean, I can I can do the argument at any time. But the players I picked for you were Justin Herbert and DeAndre Swift. There you go. Pick one. All right. Let's go to Justin Herbert. This one, let's go. Okay. Let's go. So I gave five names and you chose one of the five that I shared with Jamie to argue against. I know that would be better. You know, because you know, then it's like I'm getting. Let's go Harvard. All right. Look at you. Harvarders lift. Harvard, Herbert, okay. Yeah. I mean, Herbert, I think is is pretty safe. He pretty much always finishes as a top 12 quarterback. But the only times he's been, you know, an elite quarterback. He's averaged over 39 pass attempts per game. That's not really the MO of, of, of, of Mike McDaniel. He's more of a slow pace, run the ball, kind of guy. That's basically it. He also, as good as Herbert was last year, is on pace for 529 rushing yards. And he's usually more like a 300 rushing yard guy. So that was really strange. So let me get rid of this Laporta ADP here. Thank you. So anyway, yeah, just he's, he's only been elite when he's thrown almost 40 times per game. Fair point. He was averaging over 25 points per game last year in the six games with Joelle. The offense was scoring over 25 points per game in the six games with Joelle. And now you're getting Joelle back for the season with Roshan Slater. So losing Biotta sucks their center. That was, you know, just an added strength to it. But I just think when Herbert has things working around, and I'm sure he'll laugh at this. But when Herbert has things working around him, he will be in a very good spot to succeed. So he's in that jumbled mix of quarterbacks. If you're looking at the, the rank list, the consensus rank list on, uh, on YouTube, if you see it on our site, basically after QB six, it's, press God Herbert Lawrence Williams, party golf, dart, my homes, uh, whom I'm missing golf, uh, no, he's, he's in there. Um, I don't know the, the, the seven, six or seven quarterbacks that all go in that range of, I love Caleb Williams, or I think this is Trevor Lawrence's year, or DAC's going to be awesome. Once again, you want to put them at the bottom of the list. That's fine. I just think that Justin Herbert's a very good value. I think he's going to have a good season. I think as long as his tackles are healthy, or at least one of them, he has a chance to be successful. And I do think that Mike McDaniel, yes, while having the ability to be an offensive genius, also does not necessarily say, Hey, I'm Ben Johnson. I'm going to throw the ball over the place. Hey, I'm this guy. I'm going to open up things all, uh, like crazy. He did as shockingly as that may seem right now watching that guy play. He got to a tongue of I lower, yeah, to lead the NFL in passing yards. Yeah, amazing. To a tongue of I lower. Uh, so I have a better, I think argument against Herbert. Sorry, Heath, I'll jump in. But it's more like you have to commit to taking him ahead of players who might be just as good. Yeah, you know, he's in a big tier and he seems to be at the top of the tier. That's, I guess, the more the argument is like losing value in ADP, that's all. Yeah, I think, and I'm not the biggest Justin. Herbert guy. I'm not sure if I've made that clear. I think he's fine. And where he's being drafted is pretty close to fine. But he's going like a full round behind Caleb Williams, and behind Trevor Lawrence. And so my thing I was going to interject was I think we should pass a rule for Adam's devil advocate if a player is being drafted after the first six rounds, the argument can't be he's only been elite win because we're drafting the guys in on seven and eight. I think that applies for running backs and wide receivers because there are so many of them going in the first six seven rounds. But for quarterbacks and tie it in, especially for quarterbacks, we expect to find elite quarterbacks all throughout the draft. You're taking the same Laporta in round six. I mean, there are potentially, I don't know if they're potentially elite wide receivers, there might be. There's Christian Watson and there's Mike Evans and guys like that and Parker Washington. But all right, fair enough. If you want to, this is as somebody said in the chat, beat up on Adam Wednesday. All right, Jamie's made his case. Dave, who's your guy? As opposed to beat up on Adam Thursday, beat up on Adam Friday, beat up on Adam Sunday. It's kind of a thing we do. Let's talk about CD Lamb, who I have gravitated toward taking with a late first round pick in full PPR when I'm picking eight through twelve and there isn't a running back there that I just think is a slam dunk over them. Those running backs are usually John Taylor, Chase Brown, James Cook. I look at all the other running backs that are left and I like them, but there's a lot of them and there aren't a lot of wide receivers left. And so I'm going to gravitate toward lamb and I'm going to look at those six games and we've talked about this a decent amount during the off season. There were six games with Quinn and Williams and Dallas, meaning, all right, they acquired this awesome defensive tackle. He made their defense better. He changed how much they passed and there were six games in those six games. This is week 11 through 15 and then week 17. Lamb averaged 16.4 PPR points per game, 10.9 non PPR points per game, 9.2 targets per game. And over the course of the entire season, CD Lamb had just three touchdowns. He had a high ankle sprain that seemed to limit him. He's healthy now. I don't think he's going to catch just three touchdowns. I think he can double that. I think it's possible. He can triple that. And he's still going to get a hell of a lot of targets in this offense. I know George Pickens is there. I know what Pickens is capable of doing. I still think CD Lamb is the straw that serves the drink here and I'm going to take him as the fifth wide receiver off the board with that late round pick, late round one pick. I mean, excuse me. Okay. Devils advocate. He's not even the best wide receiver on his team. George Pickens has been a more efficient wide receiver throughout his career than CD Lamb. And I think guys with high A dots usually are more efficient, but Lamb actually had a higher A dot than George Pickens last year and Pickens was still better on a per target and per catch basis. And in week seven through 17 after Lamb came back from the injury, excluding week 18 where they played half the snaps, half the game, Pickens scored more fantasy points per game. So you're, you got the wrong cowboy. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. So the guy I keep drafting most often is George Pickens. Okay. Well, let the day to that day of the spot real quick to that and then we'll go into George Pickens. The one thing that's really got me shook on both of these wide receivers is this track record that I discovered over the last, what is it? Like 15 years or 11 years, something like that where only one receiving duo has repeated top 12 season, over season last year. It was close between Chase and T Higgins. They both finished top 13 in PPR points per game. It's rare. So how do you, how do you split that? Well, you could look at the stat that you gave Adam, but I don't know how much of that is fair. I don't know how CD Lamb performed in those games before Quinn and Williams got there. And I know that the Dallas team operated differently once Quinn and Williams got there. There were three games in 2025. We're both Lamb and Pickens each had over 15 PPR points. There was another two where they had 13 plus, which means there were eight games or one of them did not have 13 plus PPR points. And it was usually your guy, Mr. Efficiency, George Pickens, which is why I feel like Lamb is the better pick, the safer pick, the targets per game, definitely favored Lamb. I'm going to go with Lamb. And I just want to be clear, I'm playing Devils Advocate. It doesn't mean I believe all these things. I would also take Lamb over Pickens, but Pickens, the main reason Pickens was better than Lamb from weeks seven through 17 was what Dave already mentioned. Lamb just didn't catch enough touchdowns. If I can get the total weeks and pickens was pretty low on touchdowns in that stretch too, wasn't he? Yeah, I mean, Dak's touchdown rate wasn't as high as it could be. Dak Prescott, Jamie and I, we talked about this on the network show on Friday with Dan. Dak Prescott was on pace for almost 4900 yards. I know we're not talking about Dak here, but in that stretch, he was on pace for almost 4900 yards. The reason why he wasn't like a league winner basically is he didn't throw that many touchdowns, but if you can get the touchdown rate back up close to 6%, he could certainly be a top five quarterback. All right, I'm going to let he talk about why he's drafting George Pickens, but we do have to take a quick break here. So just a couple things. Again, 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. Eastern tonight is our draft a thon show. Please join us. We need you there. We need you participating. We have got, man, so many guests. Ben Gretches coming on. 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I have them projected if they both play 17 games for a total of 300 targets, which sounds insane. But Brian Shottonheimer has been in Dallas for three years. They've averaged 618 pass attempts per season. They've been top 10 in pass attempts all three of those years. And the last two years, the defense has been awful. I get it. But in 2023, Shottonheimer's first year as an offensive coordinator in Dallas, they had a top five defense in both yards and points allowed. They were third in passing yards and first in passing touchdowns that season. This is going to be one of the most pass heavy offenses in the NFL. CDLAM's awesome. George Pickens is awesome. Dak Prescott is awesome. This is just rational. I'm so glad you brought that up because we've gotten that question a lot about their improved defense. And since the NADDs improved defense. And first of all, you're talking about two of the worst defenses in the NFL. They're not going to be top 10. I don't think this year. But yes, they both teams have a history, especially the Cowboys of having great, well, the Cowboys had great defenses that he just said. And they still threw a lot. The Bengals in Burrow's tenure. They've had two good defenses. One time they didn't throw that much. One time they did throw a lot. And I believe they went to the Super Bowl that year. Pickens was the other guy that I was going to argue with you about. I guess the only thing is like, let's see, if you look at it, really kind of stole your thunder that you used George Pickens to argue against CDLAM. I know. We had tried to argue against George Pickens. If you look at the top 10 wide receivers on a per game basis in PPR, all of them had a target per out run rate of 25.8 percent except Pickens. His target per out run rate was 22.6 percent. It was more like 24 percent. If you remove weeks one and two when he wasn't really that involved. George Pickens, in the last five seasons, George Pickens has the second lowest target per out run rate of any wide receiver to finish top 10 in PPR points per game. That's kind of interesting. But I don't think it matters because he'll run so many routes. And his target per out run rate was higher after a slow start to this season, those first two games that it moved up. I don't have an argument. Okay, Jamie. I have just two things I'm curious to see. First off is the hype that Ryan Flanoi got early in camp. Does he throw a little bit of a wrench into the the targets these guys are going to get. And then Jake Ferguson, is he going away? He's not going away in the red zone. That's a problem. Did Jamie just go away when he asked? Jamie Ferguson, wow, he's going away. He just mic drop there and left. (laughs) I'm Ryan Floyd, I mean, there's no better mic drop. No, we heard you on Ferguson, too. You literally said, and is Jake Ferguson going away, and then you went away? - Well done. - What do you think he's? - I think they're going to throw enough to where, like I have Jake Ferguson projected for 98 targets. There's still 92 targets left for a wide receiver. I just, I think that this team throws the bull. And maybe this will be the year that it changes, but it's not just like a super high pass rate. They've run more than 1100 plays each of the three seasons that Shutt and Heimers been there. And so that's just, that's four more plays for a game that everybody's running. So I just think that, yeah, Jake Ferguson's probably going to be a borderline tied in one that I think's being drafted too high, but he probably will be. I don't think they'll throw their running backs as much as most teams, because why would you when you have CDLAM and George Pickens and Javante Williams was like the worst pass catching running back in the NFL history last year? - Yeah. Okay, let's go to Jamie's next round here. Must draft player, or player you keep drafting. - Pick one. - Oh, let's see. The other argument I had was Swift. Real, I mean, it's a quick argument. The last 11 games of the year when Kyle Menongai started getting involved. The average 13 Swift, average 13.9 and PPR are fantasy points per game over a full season that would have made him RB 18 per game. This does not count week nine, by the way, which Swift missed. So, yeah, I mean, is it gonna be better than that? I mean, Menongai is not out for the year. Menongai might be ready for week one. - I don't want that. I pushed up so far in draft that it's become a little difficult to draft Swift. Most of the shares I have of Swift, I got in rounds four and in some cases, rounds five. But I still think the fact that they've just been raving about him. I think they said he said the best camp of anybody on the team. And Menongai's out for however long when Menongai's out, probably gonna be a little bit of a ramp up period until Menongai's back in maybe the same type of workload that we saw from him last year. But he's always been sort of criminally underrated in how he's finished and how he's performed. And even last year, in some cases, I think you've mentioned that he was better when Menongai was involved in the second half of the season or his workload didn't really change in the second half of the season. So, I think there's just a good running back on a very good offense that has his competition, maybe not there for however long of a time that Menongai's not there. So, to go back to Heath's point like, I don't think he's elite because otherwise, we'd be drafting him in the first two rounds. But I think when you get to that second group of guys, which starts really with Jacob's, I guess. So Jacob's card and Williams, that group, like he's right in the mix. He should be in the mix. He's, at this point, I'm taking him ahead of Darren my love. I don't know if that's going to be the case reflective of ADP, especially now that we saw love carrying pizzas upstairs. But you have that group of guys behind him. We're initially, and I'll fold disclosure, like I thought this is going to be a better year for Scataboo than Swift, for Judd Kensden Swift. And that's been a rapid change based on everything that we've seen happen a while ago. But it's certainly something worth noting that I thought those guys had a better outlook than him because I'm a non-guy. And then when non-guy got hurt, it was just easy to put Swift out of them. And then all you're just hearing is great things about Swift. I guess this kind of goes back to what I was talking about with Heath earlier. Do you fear that maybe you could be overreacting to preseason injuries to a non-guy and love, putting Deandre Swift ahead of Jeremiah Love, where they probably weren't even really close a month ago? No, but you have injury for one, and back-filled mate injured for the other. But look at him carry the pizzas. He looks great. It was great. No limp. All good. Look, if Jeremiah Love hits the ceiling is higher, we saw this with a high profile rookie on a bad team last year with Ashton Gentie that he was RB 16. So I think that's kind of the range of outcomes for Deandre Swift going into it right now. And if the non-guy misses more time, we've said this about, oh, when you draft play Quorum, what if Karen Williams misses? If you drop a non-guy, what if Swift was, well, when the backup misses, the better player might be actually amazing. And so Deandre Swift, if he has a stretch of games without non-guy, which could be the start of the season, that's probably the top 10 running back. Yeah, I do think it's just kind of a couple of things. Like, one, I've had Swift in love very, very close for most of the summer, just because I've expected allege here to have a bigger role than we expect than we hope he does early in the year. But the other thing is, I feel like you're just, we're drafting Swift where he's probably going to finish unless the non-guy misses time. And then he's going to smash. All right, Dave, last round here for you, your second player that you are. Why do you keep saying round? Who the hell do you keep drafting, Dave? That's what I want to hear. Yeah, let's stick in Chicago and talk about Colson Lovelin, who I've been gravitating toward with a late third round pick. And therefore, I've got some teams that have CDLAM and Colson Lovelin on them, because they're both late in those first couple of odd rounds. You take out those first eight games when he was working his way back from an injury and learning the offense and Lovelin averaged nearly 12 PPR points per game. Over seven non-PPR points per game was getting 7.3 targets per game. That's six games from week 10 through 13 and in the playoffs. And that's probably a fair expectation for Lovelin because Birdon was on the field or Dune Zay was on the field. That's who he's going to be sharing with this year. That might be the floor. Because we know that his last four games of the year, he had at least 10 targets in every game. He had 20 PPR points, 13 non-PPR points. He actually averaged 12 targets per game. Oh, Dune Zay missed two of those four games. I just think that he's going to have a great chance to be the target leader in Chicago. There aren't a lot of tight ends that can do this. We think that Bowers is going to do that in Las Vegas. Yeah, that I think that's pretty safe. I still think McBride can be that guy in Arizona. And I think Lovelin can be that guy in Chicago. And he's way more of a match-up nightmare than an inline blocker or any of that other stuff that tight ends do. I expect him to be a humongous part of the Chicago offense. They're scheduled at the beginning of the year. Caroline and week one, Minnesota and week two, Philly and week three, Jets and week four, that group of four kind of scares me a little bit more for Swift than it does for Lovelin. And I think we could see Lovelin come down with some huge games then and just carry it all season long. Okay, sounds good. So let's see if I can remember here. For Heath, it was Sam LaPorta and George Pickens. For Dave, it was CD Lamb and Colson Lovelin. Jamie was Justin Herbert and DeAndre Swift. And we have many, many more names to give you. Well, let's go through the news and notes. Ashton Gentie is on the mend, according to Raiders head coach Clint Kubiak. Ken Walker, mispractice with a foot issue. Jamie, I know Ken Walker is also on players you keep drafting lists. Any concerns here about Ken Walker? No. Okay, it seems like it was just a maintenance day. Frank Reich called Garrett Wilson and Breeze Hall, Bell Call is Heath. What did you make of that? Well, I think we already expected Garrett Wilson to be the Bell Call in that offense in terms of wide receivers. I've never heard that phrase used for a wide receiver, but it's fine. That was kind of the expectation. Listen, I don't know what's the nice way to say it. Like, it would only make sense for Breeze Hall to be that. This is a team that's going to need to score some points. He's their best running back by far. He's their best pass catching running back by far. And if he's healthy, he may turn out that kind of like, I think with Luther Burton, the injury just gave you a great discount on Breeze Hall. Yeah, I think after this comment yesterday, thinking about what Dave has always used as the argument against Breeze Hall, which is accurate in that Frank Reich has always used multiple running backs. And Frank Reich has been fired everywhere he's been for multiple reasons. This could be one of them that he hasn't featured his best players enough. Like, use your best guys. I don't know, that's just crazy. I love the sound of that. I wish he'd listened to you. And the Jets staff last year basically listened and they gave Breeze Hall 17.4 touches a game. That's pretty close to Belkow work if you ask me. And he's still average 30. But everything is upgraded. To whatever degree you want to say upgraded, it's upgraded. Yeah. I hope so. Yeah, and I was going to say that. I mean, who was a Belkow last year? And he was RB21 for a game. Because Belkow for the Jets last year was 258 carries and 38 catches. That was a 17 game pace. Hall missed one game. They just didn't run enough plays. They've been bottom three in goal line carries. Three straight years. It can't get any worse, right? Like that's the thing. It can't get any worse. He was RB21 per game. So if you're a draft, he has a groin injury. Well, it doesn't really seem like he has a serious groin injury here. Not yet. But if he's healthy, I don't know how he finishes worse than RB21, you know? It seems like that was it. four is he being drafted right now like right now that he's not being drafted anywhere near RB 21 right behind Swift isn't I think he's RB 20 yeah he's like I thought he was 19 last time I checked so that's that's 19 yeah I think that's perfectly fair value for what we're talking about right now he was getting drafted a lot higher before the injury but now you're getting a discount on what could be a great part I see our he and Travis fantasy he and Travis HN are two ships passing in the night they are next time you blink HN will be at and hold all will be 20 oh man I get to now you got me thinking about how often I blink uh Jamar chase hyper extended his knees he's still he's still the third overall pick for you guys Jamar chase he's fine yes yeah okay cool Sam Laporte is back Mike Evans mispractice with a groin injury they're still downplaying it but is anybody downgrading Mike Evans yet I can't because I was already so low but where do you have like round seven yeah I've got him at the end around six okay he's fallen from around five to round six for me yeah yeah um Brian Thomas junior got hurt but yeah how do you feel about my gap yeah downgrading downgrading Evans like you know it's bad when you'd rather draft from Andre Stevenson for well I think that's selling when Andre Stevenson a little short but no I don't I wouldn't rather draft from Andre it's still rather have Mike Evans no okay the question is I just don't know if I want Parker Washington and Christian Watson and James and Williams ahead of Mike Evans I do the answer is yes yeah I know for you guys but I've always been like super high on Mike Evans yeah well it's let's change if Frank Wright can change then you can change too Adam everybody can change but yeah I still think he's got really good sleepless sort of sleeper appeal at late round six I think if he's healthy he's gonna be really good that's where I come out on it's a big if it's already two injuries this training camp yeah Chris Olave left practice got the win knocked out of him he should be fine Travian Henderson not back at practice yet he slipped the other day Alec Pierce is expected to practice practice next week did you guys move Alec Pierce up on the news no no did you just if you just left that in your notes for all of training camp because he has been expected to practice next week did you sit listen we make too much of these things sometimes but we talked about the Jeremiah love walking with the pizza did you guys see the video of Alec Pierce walking from behind on the fear right did yes his legs do not look the same size he did not look like he was walking like with a normal gate I'm very concerned okay we've got Nate Atkins of the athletic saying that Devonte Adams was great in joint practices against the Cowboys and the Saints he was virtually uncoverable as Devonte Adams that's good how long has Puke been out for it's been like two weeks already with the groin right yeah he's been I believe two weeks as close yeah yeah I'm trying to get interested in Devonte again yeah was that sloth from the goonies know that was a semester alone and from rocky for everybody can if I can change imagine sloth going we can change yeah it's kind of sad that my semester alone sounds a little bit too much like sloth anyway in rap board says the Falcons quarterback job is basically Michael Pentex is for the taking and the Falcons still haven't named a starter Rams edge rusher miles Garrett remains out with a knee issue the couple of teams that might you know maybe you know what we need to do is an offensive line episode we need to do that but two teams that need some help the commanders signed offensive tackle DJ Humphries the chiefs acquired offensive lineman Joshua Izudu from the Giants for a seventh round pick in 2028 I don't think these are going to really move the needle for those teams but it's just a reminder that like the chiefs are struggling at right tackle right now and the commanders obviously could be struggling on their offensive line without tonsil Giants wide receiver Calvin Austin sustained a potentially serious knee injury it's a tornado he's talking to you that stinks yeah um rookie tight ends Eli Stowers for the Eagles Oscar Dup for the Saints they have hamstring injuries and Jets rookie tight end Ken Yen Sedeek is going to have his workload scaled back early in the season he's missed all of camp with an injury hopefully plays week one but won't have a full role all right we can get back to players we keep on drafting and he gave us the porta and pickens you've got three other players one of them is the Andre Swift let me ask you with Rishi rice I talked about this with Jamie I think last week but it's like based on what he's done I don't get how he's a late second round pick or third round pick he should be a late first round pick based on what he's done why do you think there's such value in Rishi rice um well I think some of it is the knucklehead factor some of it is the like people are just worried that he's going to do something else that he shouldn't do some of it is the video of him running a deep post where he looked kind of like Alec Pierce um except he was trying to run um and then some of it is Kenneth Walker and fear that all these screens they're throwing to him are going to take away from Rishi rice's target share I thought there was a pretty good quote from Eric B. Enemy came out yesterday or the day before talking about how he thinks that rice can be even better sounded pretty optimistic I don't see anybody in this receiving core that's going to cut into his target share and the thing that I love about drafting him where you can is that we can take a 10 15 percent hit and target share which would be maybe 20 targets off the top and give those to Kenneth Walker and he's still a good pick late in round two early in round three so Nico Collins George Pickens Rishi rice how do you rank them he's Dave Jamie go ahead Nico Pickens rice Nico Collins Pickens rice Collins rice Pickens it's tough call it's a tough call that people are going to have to make those are great great picks at the two three turn how about bours or take bours ahead of all those guys I've got bours ahead of Pickens and Rice I do not bours ahead of Pickens and Rice it really depends to like I just took bours ahead of no I think that maybe ahead of Nico in the FFT open rice went right before me at the two three turn and then I took Pickens and bours but it's a two wide receiver league and I'm playing against 431 other teams and so I wanted the the upside of have Brock Bours on my team and hopefully I can find a great wide receiver two later I give me 30 seconds on Brock Pertie and then we'll take a break and we'll get to Jamie and Dave's list I said this 17 times yet this year through week 17 last year Brock Pertie was the number one quarterback on a program basis over the last three seasons Brock Pertie is the QB4 on a per game basis listen there's lots of question marks about his receiving weapons I can't imagine it's going to be worse than it was last year and he was a awesome and he's even talking about how like I think he Pertie is one of those guys that if you look at what he's done as a Russia over the last couple of years which over the last two seasons his 17 game pace for rushing is like 360 yards and five and I have touchdowns and it seems like yeah you probably can't count on that and the only thing I've heard about Brock Pertie rushing was Pertie himself talking about how he wants to do more with his legs this year yeah all right you have taken Brock Pertie and we'll look at just just NFC draft position over the last five days Brock Pertie is QB12 in between Matthew Stafford and Jared Goff and you don't he's QB8 for me and he's closer to Dack at QB7 than he is to the other guys all right we're gonna take a break we got a lot more guys to get to here on the players we keep on drafting list we'll be right back okay we're back with Jamie's list Jamie's already given us Justin Herbert and DeAndre Swift a lot more names on the list if you want to just fire through him ready Trevor Lawrence I mean it's it's hard to it's hard to avoid the the rapid rise that I've seen in ADP which is a little frustrating because he was such a good price for what the upside could be so now I think in on our site he's up to QB7 or eight just very very rapid rise but it makes sense you know you you see what he could be coming off of last year over 30 fantasy points for game to close the season including the playoffs the run game could be a little suspect clearly with the loss of Travis HN I feel like when we talk about in past tense we have to say ETN but Travis HN and you know here's these you know receivers that maybe the best list of his best group of receivers that he he's ever played with if Travis Hunter is going to do anything significant so I just think that this is one of the better breakout quarterbacks for the season you know again he had you got the little portion of it last year and we've seen that snippets from him over the course of his career I just hope he could put it together so Liam Collins got great production from the last two quarterbacks that he's worked with Baker Mayfield 2024 Trevor Lawrence 2025 big influence on the rushing production for both of those quarterbacks I don't think we're getting nine rushing touchdowns again from Lawrence but as I think we talked about on fantasy football to express I think you get 400 yards and maybe three to five touchdowns from him on the ground and I think that's gonna boost his number significantly So right now ADP has Caleb Williams's QB8, Trevor Lawrence, QB9, Justin Herbert, QB10. That's CVS ADP. How would you rank them? Caleb, Lawrence and Herbert, and they're all within about 14 picks of each other. Herbert, Lawrence, Caleb. Dave? Double checking. I've got Herbert Lawrence, Caleb Williams, all top ten. You want me to do it as well? Uh, pretty Lawrence Herbert, Caleb. Okay, uh, let's go to some more of Ken, I don't know there's much else you want to say about Ken Walker, but I'll just ask you now we got Hampton Walker, Barkley, Henry, Jamie, how much do you, how do you rank? Oh, and let's throw HN in there. So, uh, Hampton Walker, Barkley, HN, Henry, how do you rank them? River, Hampton, HN, Barkley, Jenty, Henry, Barkley, Henry, Jenty. Is there anything for you guys when you're deciding between those running backs, Chase Brown and James Cook and Taylor and McCaffrey are off the board and you're deciding between those, call them early round two running backs, Hampton Walker, Henry, Barkley, HN, Jenty, is there one deciding factor that makes Jamie, you take Walker first, Dave, who, I don't know who you take first, Heath, et cetera, but Jamie, you can start. What's the one deciding factor for Walker? I think just getting the opportunity to be the featured guy because when he's been, the featured guy in his career, he's been pretty awesome. And now he gets that chance. We saw it in the playoffs when Charbonne was not there, scored more points per game in that four game stretch when you factor in the division around through the Super Bowl, then Christian McCaffrey did for the season, points per game wise. So I'm terrified of the Dolphins offense, which is why I take him over HN, just the other report we got yesterday just gets worse by the day. It was Omar Kelly and then another one of their, maybe it's the day before, but Omar Kelly and then Joshad when Malik Wells brought the team together in the middle of the field and just said, guys, we got to do something better, basically. If they're not producing against their own defense, which is not going to be good, it's going to be a struggle. So I don't care how many times HN is going to touch the ball. He's not going to score a lot of touchdowns and I'm just terrified of the entire process of where he's getting drafted. So I'd much rather take the guy on the chiefs that Andy Reads had a lot of success with his backfields when he's had good running backs, Hampton and I think, we'll see what this keeps Mitchell injuries and the time share that that could still unfold. Forget about Mike Medaniel said they're going to use a couple of guys there. So I like Walker's situation a little bit better. Henry is obviously such a wildcard here, but their offensive line just got worse and no fullback. We'll see how that goes. So it's just more nitpicking there and Barclay. I think just coming off the year they had, he'll be better, but I think Walker's trajectory for me is a little bit safer. So that's why I lean Walker the highest, take Walker the highest. Dave, your favorite in that group of five and why? Hey Chan. Jamie talked about you want a guy that's going to have a feature workload. Hey Chan's had it the past two seasons. The worst he's been is 17.6 full PPR points per game. That's better than any year Kenneth Walker's head and I granted Walker is going to get a great opportunity in Kansas City, but the thing that I keep going back to, two of them with Walker and I've moved him up, I'm taking him now as a top 15 pick. Number one, we know that he's a little injury prone. See Oxford afraid of it. That's why they didn't run him out there all the time until the end of the year when they knew that they were going to let him go into free agency and he's already dealing with the foot injury now. It's minor. That's fine. Two, Patrick Mahomes is still the quarterback of this team and from all accounts who have gone to Kansas City's camp, he looks the same as he did before and that there are no lingering effects of the ACL and push comes to shove. I still think Mahomes is going to do his thing in the offense. And Walker will be, I say next in line and I don't necessarily mean that is a bad thing. Obviously, they're going to want to run the ball more and Walker gives them the chance to be more effective and I think Walker will be good, but I'm just a little bit worried about Walker having that offensive player of the year type season because I'm not sure if he can play enough games to earn that award because I'm not sure he's going to get the ball in the high leverage situations that we want him to every single time. Whereas HN, yes, he's going to get the ball a lot. I am more convinced than ever that he's also going to catch plenty of passes, saw it in the joint practice against the Giants, he had a couple of check downs, he had three design targets in the game. I think that we're going to see him be a big, big part of what they do. And that was an in, I can't say an in-game adjustment, an in practice adjustment because that Giants pass rush was getting the Malik Willis really quickly. So that encouraged me and I don't think he's going to be as good as he was last year to on HN. I don't think he's going to be 20 points per game, but I bet he gets to 17. And I think that that's going to be better than Kenneth Walker. And so HN is at the top of this for me. I love the case for Hampton. He's ahead of Walker too, my top three from that list, HN, Hampton Walker, back-to-back-to-back end of round one beginning of round two. Okay. Heath. HN Walker, Hampton, everything Dave said about HN. Cool. Jamie also likes Jordan Mason. I think that took him 80th overall, Jamie, and the FFT open, is that too early for Jordan Mason? He's kind of getting to that point where it's a little too soon, but that's kind of where the, I think you see a little bit of a tear break in the running backs, you know, so once you get past the Patriots guys, the Steelers guys, you know, he's in the mix for me with, you know, Jakory Kroski-Marit and the Broncos guys and, you know, start to get into that, you know, group of, I think for Mason, you know, the reports and the preseason action don't mesh so far. So it's really what do you believe because everything you hear out of Minnesota is, Mason is their running downs guy. Then we get to the, I don't think they both, I don't think they played in the second preseason game, but the first preseason game, you get Mason and Jones sort of alternating drives here. Yeah. So that's a little bit tough to buy that Mason should be going so far ahead of Jones, or even ahead of Jones to begin with because if he's going to share rushing down's work, he's definitely going to have passing down's work because that's not what Mason does. He's got 28 catches in his career. So, you know, Dave has brought this up, you know, they've implemented a different rushing scheme to favor Mason or that Cater's more to what Mason doesn't know than they did just for Mason. Yeah. Cater's more to what Mason has had success and when you go back to his days in San Francisco, but if you just look at it, he's the younger running back. He averages five yards per carry first career, 4.8 yards per carry during his time with Minnesota. This is a much more explosive rusher at this point than Aaron Jones. And then you factor in Jones's durability where he missed time last year and fought through a bunch of injuries the year before plus he's going to be 33. So I just think when you're looking at it, if you want a safe borderline flex, good backup running back, maybe if things break right, because he did average over 13 PPR points per game in the five game Jones missed last year, that's the type of player you're talking about. So not to the same heights of like a Blake Corum who should go ahead of him or Monangai when he's right. If you're just looking for, okay, who has higher potential if the starter gets hurt, but if you're looking for like a safe type of R before really, I think Jordan Mason qualifies. Packers, Bears, Bucks, Dolphin, Saints, first five games of the year for Minnesota. I think that's a great platform for Mason to take off. I agree with Jamie on the Aaron Jones thing. There's something that's not connecting here because I thought Jones looked pretty good in the preseason, but I would imagine that the Vikings will kind of treat the veteran with kid gloves and not use them a ton and Loonamason. I love the idea of getting him in that round eight range as a running back that you can start the season with in your lineup. But we all agree that 80s, too early, right? 80s, too early. That's the thing. Like I said yesterday, 80s, too early in theory, but the way the draft was going, Jordan Mason was one of the last potential starting running backs. I consider him differently than I consider Kenneth Gainwell and Rashad White. You should. Those are the guys who were going, yeah, Jekori Krasky-Marit also went after him and I think they're pretty similar, but Jekori Krasky-Marit went like seven picks after him. So it wasn't realistic to get a starting running back in the hundreds. Of course. I think Jordan Mason. Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt, but you did. This is the podcast link draft. No, this was the FFT. My FFT openly. Okay. I'm sorry. I was going to say the podcast link. So how many running backs did you have when you had one? I think he was my third. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It's really like when you start to compare him and several of the guys that were mentioned including Jekori Krasky-Marit, like when you start to compare him to Wondale Robinson and Quentin Johnston and Portland Sutton and those type of receivers that doesn't make sense to take your third or fourth running back versus your fourth or fifth receiver. And where does the upright lie with those players? I absolutely. That's a great point and a great question and I absolutely think you're not in every case, but I lean running back there because I know receiver. There's like 30 more receivers, including the Jalen Coker and Jaden Reed. Right. So that's the perfect way to frame it. Like do you want to have Jordan Mason and Dishon Stribbling, for example, or Jordan Mason and Jalen Coker, or do you want to have Wondale Robinson and RJ Harvey? Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it is. I mean, I think we've all talked about. how you get to rounds nine, 10, 11, maybe not 11, eight, nine, 10. And you're still looking at some wide receivers, like, oh, I'm happy to get this guy here. And I think it dries up at running back pretty early. You know, 80, I don't know. Like, ADP tells a different story. What happened in the draft, the FFT Open Draft made me take Jordan Mason, 'cause I didn't want to be without a reliable number three. - You can't really rely strictly on ADP because now we're starting to see kickers and defenses get pushed up to levels that the casual drafters take that most season fantasy players do not. - Yeah, that's why tears are so important at every position. All right, let's wrap up, Jamie. You got co-core and Jayden Reed late. Isaiah likely and Travis Kelsey, but running out of time. So I'm just gonna ask you about, well, real quick, unlikely and Kelsey, how much earlier do you take likely than Kelsey? - Maybe two rounds. You know, I think, you know, once you start to get to that group of the middle group of tight ends, which I think still ends with fan and I would take like Wilbur Fanon, but that ends with Fanon. And so when I see Fanon come off the board and I don't have a tight end at that point, that's my start to look for likely. If I miss likely, it's usually Kelsey's the fallback option. - So with two wide receivers that could go in round three, Devante Smith and T Higgins, they're on the players, you keep drafting lists. Do you ever take both of them or is this a decision you have to make? Devante Smith, T Higgins. Higgins falls much more often than Smith does, you know, and I think we'll start to see Smith rise a couple of spots now that he's back in practice and there's no legitimate concern not that there was ever a concern, but no legitimate concern about his hamstring. So I was in a draft last night, 12 team PPR. I had the 11th pick. I got Smith at the end of round three. I think Higgins might have went early round four. So, you know, you see Higgins, I think much more in the round four, early part of round four range. So Higgins is the late round three for me. Smith is an early round three pick for me. I just whenever I see Higgins in round four and I can draft him, I do it. - Yeah, he's basically been a top 16 wide receiver every year based on his points per game. When burrow and chase and Higgins have all been healthy, performs like a top 16 wide receiver, except for a terrible 2023 season, I believe. - That's it. - Higgins is awesome. All right, Dave, you said CDLAM. You said Coulson Loveland. Jalen Waddle is, the other guy was gonna disagree with Yon just 'cause I just fear the target. It's like, he had a 33 yard catch. I think it was in that preseason game. He looked great, but Sutton had two targets on that drive. Waddle had one, not say it'll play out that way. And then Sutton's always a big factor in the end zone and Waddle really hasn't been. So I love all of your calls and you've talked about Waddle a lot. This is the one that, as a friend of Dave Richard, I get the most nervous about the way it will play out. - And I'm not nervous at all. I think the Broncos had clear intention that they wanted to improve their receiving core and not lean on the corporation of, or I should say, conglomerate of Sutton, Franklin, Mims, Pat Bryan, I know Bryan's gotten some great pub and camp and he's look good. They needed somebody like Jalen Waddle to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally line up anywhere. Catch short passes, make a play after the catch. Catch down field passes, make a play after the catch. And we've seen it from Sean Payne before. When he's got that due to wide receiver, he hyper targets him. It was Michael Thomas, many moons ago in New Orleans, Marcus Colston before that. He hasn't quite had that guy in Denver, but two years ago, Corlan Sutton had a ton of targets then. And I don't really buy into the theory that targets are going to be spread all around. And I don't think the Broncos want to do that when it comes to Waddle because of the investment that they've made in him. I think he's outstanding. I love the way that he looked in the preseason game. The camp reports have been great too. People are worried about him missing time. He's played at least 14 games every year of his career. He is not shackled by Tyree Kill and Devon H&N in a pop offense. And Miami now, this is going to be a better version. Bonix also looks good. The offensive line is healthy. I'm actually hyped about this Broncos offense. And I think that their run game is the biggest question mark of all. And now here's somebody that can help take some pressure off that run game on short screens. Those layup throws that we talk about at him. I think Jalen Waddle is going to be one of the best values on draft day. Love is ADP. I would take him a full round ahead of his ADP. So you take him-- - ADP is amazing. What is, let's see. - Round five. - Yeah, I mean, I think I have him as like a round three pick because I'm insane. He's like a round three, four pick for me. So I'm getting him and pretty much every draft I'm in because I'm taking him higher than anyone else on the planet. Like Jalen Waddle's mom isn't taking him as high as I'm taking him at this point. Someone asked the chat, Dave Waddle or Garrett Wilson? - I have Wilson and full PPR one spot ahead of Waddle. - Okay. Okay, more play. - I mean, it's a bell cow receiver after all, Garrett Wilson. - I'm curious why you think their run game is going to be bad though. Because I don't think they've got a guy that they really want to put the whole workload on and so they're going to use a rotation of three. And they'll be effective. But I don't know if that necessarily means that they're going to be good. And I think it'll take them a few weeks to get comfortable with the idea of Jonah Coleman getting some work. We'll see if JK Dobbins can hold up and be better than he was last year. RJ Harvey as a runner really wasn't great last year. Has him in great so far this year. He's more of a pass catcher. I think that I feel a lot better about Bo Nick's throwing than I do about Bo Nick's handing off. - I wonder if Sean Payton feels that way though. - I don't think Dave said the running game would be bad. I think he said it's the biggest question mark. - It's the biggest question mark. - But it could be bad too. I mean, especially, I'll say if JK Dobbins misses time. Because I love Jonah Coleman. He's one of the guys on my list too. Taking him in the double digit rounds every draft that I can. But I don't know if he's truly ready. I know Sean Payton is talking like Coleman is just ready. I'm not 100% sure that he is. And so there could be some lingering effects of the decisions that the Broncos have made with the run game over the last couple of seasons. You also have Isaiah likely on the players. You keep on drafting lists just like Jamie. Is he someone? - I moved him back ahead of pits and full PPR too after what I saw in the joint practice against the dolphins. - Do we think it's gonna stay that way when neighbors is back? Which seems to be a week one. - Yeah, this is the. Remember how Zach Hertz had this middle of the field role in Washington where he would just catch all these short throws whenever the number one read was covered? I think that's likely his role with a little bit more on top. I think there's gonna be some plays where likely works down field a little bit more often. He's got the athleticism to make plays after the catch. To me, it's the only part of the giant's offense that I'm confident in at this point. As far as naming specific players. Because I'm really confused on the run game at this point. And I think neighbors is gonna be great. I'm drafting them like neighbors is gonna be great. But I can't say with 100% certainty that neighbors will be great. I do think likely will be very good and worth a round seven slash eight pick. I believe that's ahead of ADP. And his track record when he's had volume has been outstanding for fantasy. Starting to think he won't be 12 and a half PPR points per game. Like he's been in eight of nine career games with at least six targets. But he can get to, let's call it 11. And that's really good value in the middle of the draft from a tight end that not everybody's gonna gravitate toward. But they should. Heath, how you doing over there? - Oh, it's been, it's been good. - Yeah. I'm gonna let you introduce the Parker Washington portion of this show because this is someone that Dave says he keeps on drafting Parker Washington. What questions did you have for Dave about Parker Washington? - Oh, thanks. I did draft Parker Washington. I mentioned this in a draft a couple days ago. And Dave, I took him before Christian Watson and Marvin Harris and Junior and Brian Thomas Junior, which I think everybody's taking him ahead of Brian Thomas Junior now. But taking him ahead of Watson and Harris and in particular really made me feel like, I know I did this so I could have him on one of my teams, but I feel stupid. - No, you just draft it. Go ahead. - Yeah, you drafted a guy that might end up getting volume and the same type of role that we've seen from Amon Ross St. Brown. And that's exciting. And seeing him in person and watching him leap over two bucks defenders for a touchdown in Red Zone Drills from Trevor Lawrence was exciting. Watching him leap into the exact same thing on the other side line, not for a touchdown, but for a first down in Drills, that was exciting. And he's working all areas of the field. He's willing to run over the middle. Definitely a ton of horizontal routes, just like what we've seen from St. Brown, JSN, that ilk of wide receiver. And I don't think there's any doubt that he's going to be the top target getter in Jacksonville. BTJ is awesome. Hopefully the shoulder is fine. It sounds like it's going to be okay. The team just shut him down in practice and Liam Cohen said afterwards, yeah, we're just going to get him ready for Cleveland. And Parker Washington was still dominating. Clearly, the number one guy, the bucks knew it and he was still doing very, very well. There was one play where he had a pass go off his hand. So it was a bullet from Trevor Lawrence over the middle of the field. I'm going to forgive him for that one. Everything else that he did was pretty great. I am taking him over every single one of those wide receivers that you said in full PPR. In not PPR, I might be a little squeamish about some of those names, mainly Christian Watson, 'cause I'm excited about him too. But I don't think Parker Washington is going away. Tack on the question mark of their run game, to look better than Rodriguez yesterday for what that's worth. than he seems to have a little more juice than Rodriguez, but they split pretty evenly in practice. And I just think that Washington's gonna be locked into like seven targets per game. He averaged 6.3 per game overall last year. - I had a draft last night where I took Washington in round six, and then in round eight, Thomas was still sitting there. I'm like, you know what, it's just too good of value. Yeah, so. - Parker Washington, if he's good this year, like really good, it would be so improbable for a six-throw pick who in the first 36 games of his career, three seasons, three and a half seasons. Average 37 yards per game was not on anyone's fantasy roster unless they had return yards, basically. And then he finishes the season really strong, including a amazing playoff game. - Coaching. - We just, yeah, I'm not ruling it out. It just we've never seen, well, I wouldn't say never, but I can't remember anything like that with a day three pick start their career that slow. That'd be cool. - And the thing for me that helps me fully believe in Parker Washington is that I've seen him develop. And I remember the joint practice with the dolphins last year, and he was close to making plays with Trevor Lawrence. And then by the middle of last season, he had the opportunity, Trevor's thunder got hurt, right before thunder got hurt. It was supposed to be honor who was gonna be the big play guy. And then that middle of the field guy for Jacksonville. And Washington just took the role and ran with it. And he's been in Sympathico with Trevor Lawrence ever since. - Okay, Dave also has Patrick Mahomes, who is now going ahead of Jackson Dart and CBS ADP. - He should be. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay, how about Purdy or Mahomes? - I've got Mahomes ahead, but the most compelling thing I've heard from Heath this year has been the case for Brock Purdy. And it's really, really, you can buy into it very easily. - Yeah. - Absolutely. I really love it. And it helps that Stribbling has looked better than what the thought was on him before the draft. It's almost like the Niners. And the Niners have screwed up so many wide receiver picks before, but it looks like they finally got one that might end up being just right. And they've worked really hard to fast track Stribbling into the first team offense. And he will help Brock Purdy. At bare minimum, Purdy is a fantastic value on draft day. - Yeah, he is. So many of those quarterbacks are, but Mahomes was like a top three quarterback for much of the year. Okay, someone is-- - The rushing door, that's the thing. He's not going to do that again. - He's not going to do that again, but I bet Push comes to shove. He will leave some pockets and start running and sliding. - Well, I mean, obviously he's still going to run, but you go back to, there's a pretty telltale example when he busted his knee on the goal line, Tush push, whatever they were calling it. And then they just stopped doing that because, "Hey, let's not ruin our best asset." - Right, you know, so-- - Yeah, that's the right way to get to the blocker now. - Never done it again. - Yep, that's fair. But that was multiple years ago. - Yeah, it was Andy Reed's a smart guy. He realizes-- - Oh, right, right. - And let's not do that. Well, but we're not drafting Mahomes anywhere close to where he finished last year either. And it's not just because he's coming back from the ACL again. It sounds like he's over it. It's because Walker's there. And Walker's absolutely-- - It's also the two years prior to that. He was a mediocre fantasy quarterback. - He was, but last year is what I'm kind of leaning toward. I don't think he's going to be as good as he was last year. That's going to be impossible. But I still think he's one of the top 12 quarterbacks in draft day. And the fact that I'm able-- - I've had him in like round 12 in some leagues. And I don't even care. I've drafted Josh Allen and Mahomes on the same team. I'm just not going to let somebody else get that kind of value that late in the draft. I'm not reaching for him, but I absolutely got potential to still be an awesome asset. - And based on two drafts that I'm doing right now, one of them ended, the both slow drafts. Jackson Dart would actually be on my list of players I keep drafting. He's gone from a guy that I thought had one of the worst ADPs to like nobody wants Jackson Dart anymore. And I'm willing to take a shot with one of my last picks because he was so good last season without Malik neighbors. So let's see if-- I understand it's been a really bad camp for the Giants offense. The same things were said about the Bears offense last year with a new offensive coordinator. - That's true. - And the Titans keep that in mind. - Yeah, yeah. Okay, so here's real quick. My list of players I keep drafting. Chris Godwin, any wide receiver heavy draft. I will take Chris Godwin in round six. I like what Dave tweeted about Chris Godwin with a bigger Mayfield set about him. He's gonna play in the slot. It's gonna be really good for him. I will take him ahead of Marvin Harrison Jr. If I want a safe player, I will take Godwin ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. If I'm looking for more upside and I feel good at receiver, I'll take BTJ. He has been-- - I take him over Thomas, okay. - Fair enough. He's been a top 17 wide receiver per game five times in his career. He has been a top three receiver twice in his career. That's insane on a per game basis. Chris Godwin-- - Now you love that ADR touchdown. - No, I still-- - He needs to be a better player than he was last year 'cause he was really bad last year. - He's in a role that's very familiar to him and Mayfield, I felt like they were on the same page. I thought Godwin also moved well in the joint practice against Jacksonville. I like this call a lot at him. - Travis H. Ann is now a player that I keep on drafting. I think late round three is certainly in play. I don't wanna over-react too much 'cause Alvin Camera might not miss much time and Camera might be the third down back, but a reminder, Travis H. Ann was the number 14 running back per game in full PPR. A little bit better than that in the other formats. Without being the third down back last year, he had 17.4 touches per game. That ranked 16th among running backs and he finished as a top 14 running back. And he should be drafted around 15th or so overall, but I think he's got a lot of potential 'cause he's clearly the best running back in the Saints' backfield. Zach Sharbernay as a player, I've been drafting a lot. I don't really think Zach Sharbernay could be a league winner, but if he gets back early in the season, if first of all, I like putting him in an IR spot, freeing up a spot and just picking up somebody on waivers. But if he becomes their goal line back again, and he's pretty damn good at that, Zach Sharbernay could be a very good player. And Derek Henry is not someone that I really went into drafts trying to draft, but I got him in two of my three FFT Open leagues. So Derek Henry, look, top seven running back per game in full PPR, if we're a guy that never catches the ball, in six of the last seven seasons. And he's being drafted as something like RB 11 right now. Yeah, I know he's 32, but he scores a ton. And one of the reasons why he didn't have such a great year last year compared to in his seventh per game, compared to other years, is the Marjacks and missed some time and he really struggled when the Marjacks and was out. So if you assume the Marjacks and it's gonna be healthy, it should be more touched on opportunities for Derek Henry. Here goes, I sped, I followed too closely, I ran a stop sign, I almost hit a Chevy, I sped some more, I failed a yield, I changed lanes without signaling while speeding. That was the liar, liar scene. We just talk really fast, you know? Okay, that's my list. Hey, we're done. We'll talk to you tomorrow. We'll talk to you tonight. Oh my gosh, we'll talk to you tonight with the draft of the time show, 5 a.m. Eastern. See you later, everybody. Talk to you. 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