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(upbeat music) What's good, friends? Welcome into Fantasy Focus Football. It's a Tuesday, September 1st. - Rabbits. - Rabbits here. - We have turned the page onto a new month alongside my clay, and feel Jates, my name is Daniel. I appear to be able to have a little bit of fun with you talking about some football. Fantasy Football, in fact, we're diving into our favorite players. Favorite players we want to talk about in Fantasy Football. We let this a little open, end it as a part of it, but some guys we want to plant our flags on, either because there's a really important conversation we want to have around them, or because we just can't stop drafting them and drafts. But most importantly, how are you guys doing today? - We're doing great. I'm doing great, I should say. Mike, how are you? - I'm doing good too. I see that you got your football. - Yeah, it's about time. - Football, one at a time, we slowly added them. - Finally remembered it. - Yes. - We had a long, we're gonna dive into work on my guys, plant your flag players, Daniel said players, we just can't stop drafting our favorites. However you want to tag them, it's fine. - Yes. - We had a long conversation, not just amongst us, but the entire great show staff that we have, about do we go back and hit some of the players that if you're a daily listener, viewer, chat member, you may know which direction we're gonna go, or do we go off the beaten path, and not have as much conviction on players, right? Because if there are truly your guys, we would have been talking about them ad nauseam for the past four weeks that we have been on the show. If you've been here hanging out for a while, you're gonna be able to probably guess some of our answers, but we are now in the peak of draft season. I've got a draft basically every night this week, I've got a couple more just before the season kicks off, but we're eight days away from kickoff. It is crunch time. This is our best of the best. We're gonna sell these plant our flag guys hard. - I love that. All right, before we get into this, shout out to our guy, Eric Moody, follow him in the chat, and on social media at Eric and Moody, and we got a punishment wheel selection for yesterday. - I did, no. - Fields, lucky suit. - Hey. - Is what one. - What is this now? - So when we have the starts of the week punishment, have you ever been on the show before? - No, what is the lucky suit? - Oh, okay. Were you the one that was unfamiliar with Bucky's? - Maybe. - Oh, yes, it's the suit, what's the-- - The suit is, you know, Bucky's has a logo. - Yes. - It's not a logo, excuse me, a mascot. - Yes. - I have a full body Bucky's mascots. - Okay. - Yes, love that. - It actually is incredibly comfortable. - Okay, okay. - No, it's all right. - It feels just weird to own sometimes. - It sounds better than the sour, whatever the sour thing. - Oh, that's so great, what a great lead in. So before you go any farther, Mike, let's talk about what today's punishments are gonna be on the pole that we're gonna have today. In my ear, I have our producers telling me one more time what they are, which is either fantasy face paint for an entire show. - Oh, I kind of like that. - Being boozled, which is flavored jelly beans, and you do not know what the flavor is gonna be. Maybe sour, maybe something you don't like. - Yeah, like popcorn or root beer. - And doing a beer mile. - That sounds like a beer mile. - Win, okay. - Yes. - All right. - So those are the three things we are going to yes, potentially here at work. And so we're gonna figure it out, guys. We're gonna figure it out. Dive into our chat here at YouTube. This is one of the reasons why you should, if you can, watch the show live. Hang out with our YouTube people. It is a great community. Yes, Mike Clay, go ahead. - I do. Saviom Blanc instead of beer. - Oh my gosh. - Of course, of course. - Just wine. - We're already doing caveats. - What was the last time you drank a beer? - Do you think? - A long time ago. - I don't know. - I probably had one. - Miller Light Mike had a few, I remember some bowling days where Miller Light Mike would. - That was a few years ago. - It was a couple of years ago. - We won the championship then. - Yes, exactly. You kind of retired at that point. - How about you? - It's been a minute. - Yeah, it's been a minute. - Been about 15 hours for me. - They always have holding up a my end of the bargain for our class, for our show here. - All right, let's dive into some news here really quickly before we get into our plant my flag, guys. We had a little bit of news on Malik neighbors. He came out and said, and I quote, and we're gonna throw up a tweet here that our own a friend and colleague Jordan Ronan had, was a little bit non-committal about being able to start week one. We've been waiting to be able to see what's gonna happen. Jordan's tweet, Malik neighbors feels, quote, real good, but still will not commit for week one. Is this giving you guys any pause on Malik neighbors or is this already kind of baked in with where he's going right now as a part of his ADP? - Yeah, is this legitimate or game is mentioned? - That's, we had the conversation prior to show. Is that, you know, first day back in training camp, everybody's pumped up to be there. Your guard's been let down as a coaching staff. You haven't forgotten who you're playing in week one, but we're a long ways away from week one. Hey, Malik, you wanna go out there and express excitement and enthusiasm and install some optimism into the fan base? Go for it, say whatever you want. I'm ready to rock and roll. Now we're past the roster cut down. By Tuesday of next week, Monday of next week, we will be into preparation for week one. I think the giants have probably messaged to their players. Listen, week one's close enough at this point of the season or this point of the preseason, we don't need to give the Cowboys any more information. All right, there's gonna be an injury report next week. That will be both public information and information that the Cowboys will have. But for now, button things up, be non-committal, be obscure, be opaque and let the Cowboys have to prepare for the possibility of both you playing and you not playing. But your original question is that, is that already baked in to where he's being drafted? I would say yes, I mean, he's going somewhere between 25 and 35 and a lot of the drafts that I see. So I would say yes, like even if Malik neighbors doesn't play week one, I'm still comfortable with him as my third round pick. The idea is Malik neighbors when he gets rolling might be a top seven or eight wide receiver for the whole season. Yeah. First of all, in terms of gamesmanship, low key a big game here. Like I think if I were to make a short list of sleeper NFL teams this year, Cowboys are the headliner for sure. I think the Cowboys are going to be good this year. Giant's not far behind. Like if that front seven comes together and the secondary could hold it down, just all the talent up front obviously there. And then the offensive times last year, you know, without neighbors, frankly, or without Scataboo a lot of like it look good at time. So if it comes together with Darnier too, this could be a sneaky team. So low key a big game and also, to your point, someone just asked me on social good timing, where would neighbors be ranked if he was fully healthy? And I think it's maybe seven much like receivers. So yeah, yeah, I wide receiver rights. It chased the Kua JSN, Monroe Lamb, and then your Jefferson with you might be like, I don't know, with Kyler. Neighbors like isn't that tier, frankly, like when he's healthy. So he'd be in that conversation, maybe ahead of like London and Rice and Nico, those kind of guys AJ Brown. So I am as well like defending Nico Collins again. I will, I will take that one to the end of the season. So we'll see. Yeah, I think that's where he'd be. So we are still discounting him a little bit for a potential slow start. Not to mention all of the changes. There's so many new things he isn't playing with Darnier. It's a new head coach. It's a new play. - Free snacks with Jackson Darnier. - Free snacks, free darts. - Free darts before the season, free something. So it's still a high ceiling, but obviously some risk and that's baked into a ranking. - Definitely. - All right, then let's move ahead and talk about the guys that we are planting our flags on Mike. I'm gonna start with you. He was just mentioned Jackson Darnier. He actually did pretty well with Outmoley neighbors last year. This could be like playing a flag or throw a dart. - Oh. - At mine? - Do it in there. - You know what? - I don't know what that one is for no reason. - Yeah, that's right. - That's a really good one. - I'm kind of mad I didn't have a flag or something. We should have brought flags. - We should have brought it. - Yeah, I'm planting my, no surprise here if you've been watching the last month. - We could probably find one right now. - We could, there's some flags around here. I'm planting my flag on Jackson Darnier. He's my guy this year, my favorite target. He's the guy who, I think the best way maybe to figure these out is you're on the clock, you're waiting for it to be you and then someone takes that guy in your beard. You gotta be kidding me. That's my guy. Jackson Darts my guy a quarterback. I want him as often as I can get him. I've talked about this stack quite a bit. Eat top 10 fantasy weeks last season in just 12 games. We have his fifth most among quarterback's last season. Again, he did not have near the supporting cast that he set up with right now, including of course Malik Neighbors. Isaiah likely has been his most targeted player this off season. By far, that's going to be a huge upgrade for him. Even someone like Darnel Mooney who they brought in is kind of a depth receiver. He's not even probably going to start for them. So there's a lot of support for him this year. This is a guy that was top five across the board and all rushing categories despite missing so much action last year, including carries inside the five, which would generate a bunch of touchdowns it did. So last season, I talked about the changes in coaching. That should be an upgrade, you know. See what you want about Matt Nagy, but John Harbuzz leadership was so, you know, so amazing and Baltimore. I mean, they were a contending team every single year. And we obviously saw what they did with Lamar Jackson. By the way, one nugget, this I actually don't think I mentioned when talking about Dart, which is another feather in his cap, which is they have the fifth easiest projected schedule for quarterbacks of the season. So so much to love about Jackson Dart. He's seven on my board could be as high as six. And he's available, fellas. In the eighth round, the fantasy drafts, he's my guy. He was almost at one point this top season. He was the quarterback that I was prepared to plant my flag on before I pivoted to a date. different quarterback that I'll reveal. - I wonder who the-- - In a moment. I'll tell you in a moment. But a couple of things that I think helped the case that Mike has covered, but also to take it a step further, is there seems to be some schools of thought from some people that Jackson Dart is just a running quarterback and not a prolific enough passer that if the giants cut back on his rushing to protect him, this is the player who famously was tested for what, for concussions last year, that he's not cut out to be a somewhat running quarterback but a prolific pocket passer. I disagree with that, and I point to, maybe it's too small of a sample size, but I will never forget the way the Jackson Dart carved up the Denver Broncos last year. In Denver, the giants lost that game because they found a way to lose a lot of games last year. Jackson Dart was amazing in that game, and he was not playing with Malik neighbors. He was throwing to Wando Robinson as his top target last year. I think he's a good enough pocket passer that even if the rushing is reduced, he can still be a prolific fantasy score. But I still think that John Harba was the single best coach that could have been hired to keep Jackson Dart as a running quarterback. He just led Lamar Jackson as his head coach for the first, was Lamar 2019. For seven years of Lamar's career, maybe 2018, whatever, seven or eight years Lamar's career, the quarterback of the Baltimore Ravens coached by John Harba, and he of course, let Lamar lose. Now Lamar is a better runner than Jackson Dart and has not been tested as frequently for a concussion as Jackson Dart has been in his very short career. But I think the John Harba helps the running cause for Jackson Dart. If you draft Jackson Dart given the potential injury history that you talked about already this preseason, unfortunately found his way into the blue medical tent, would you definitely be drafting a second quarterback or are you not worried about rostering a second one because of how many you think would be available on waivers? I would never say definitely, but I am generally not, especially as someone that's waiting a quarterback anyway, even if I miss on Dart, I'll take a second one this year because they're so cheap, you don't have to pay up to get a potential top seven or eight quarterback that sure you can take purdier nicks and the doubles at your rounds quite often. So we're at the point of the summer where not only are a lot of people, I'm sure reach friends are reaching out to you, saying hey, I've got the seventh pick, what would you do tonight when you draft? But on top of that, once their drafts are over, they send you a screenshot of the roster and say, "Hey, how did I do? What do you think?" We in our community here at ESPN Fantasy talk about patients at quarterback. And if you draft Josh Allen, you don't bother with the second quarterback. If you draft Lamar Jackson, you don't bother with the second quarterback. I am convinced more and more that one of the leading things that takes place in leagues outside of our small bubble that we live in is quarterbacks go earlier than we expect them to and people take two quarterbacks more often than we expect them to. I was with a friend of mine who's son and he's gonna be in fourth or fifth, he's in fourth or fifth grade, is nine years old, was doing his draft. And I get it, this is very much introduction to fantasy football. But we got to the fourth round and there had been 15 quarterbacks taken already. And this is a single quarterback league, right? But I think there's probably a lot of people that think two quarterbacks is necessary, they look at the by-week and they go, I don't wanna have some scrap heap quarterback when Josh Allen is out for a week. So in a ESPN fantasy experts league, I probably am not drafting a second quarterback behind Jackson Dart. In most other leagues, I'm probably feeling the pressure to do so because I think quarterbacks are gonna fly up. Actually might dry up more than we expect 'cause in home leagues, the waiver wire at quarterback is actually thinner than what I would think it would be. And you're gonna have some. By the way, I was just gonna say, don't, when I hear that, I think, I wanna be in that league. Like that's great, don't let that-- Oh, my gosh, to be in a league with a much in nine-year-old. No, but don't. I surprise. But my point is, don't allow that sort of thing to pressure you to reach on a quarterback. Just take advantage. You're gonna get some great skill guys and you're still gonna end up at a point where you're like, I still got Kyler Murray or something like that. But there is a load in there, right? There is a line. Like if you just keep waiting. Yeah, no, no, that's too low. You keep waiting and all of a sudden, you're like, you're walking away and Sam Jonathan is just hurting quarterback. He's a Super Bowl winning QB. He's awesome in real life, but for fantasy, not a starter we are pumped about. My quarterback, no surprise here, Justin Herbert. He took over from Jackson Dart as my guy during the off season. Mike has a dart as quarterback seven, which is in line with where Daniel and I are at. I am a quarterback six for Justin Herbert. And part of the reason why is that Jim Harbaugh says he is locked, cocked and ready to rock. Is that, do you get fantasy points for that? Yes, you do, Mike. Trying to figure out which of these Herbert categories you get points for each one. He got married in the off season. That's the point. All right. Oh, he's getting engaged. Mike, get with the times here. Oh, you got two points for getting locked, two points for getting. You can't enjoy this go from Jim Harbaugh. He's a national treasure. He's locked, cocked and ready to rock. Yes. For me, like, and NFL had coaches saying this. It's amazing. I am more optimistic on Justin Herbert than Mike. And a little bit more. Daniel's got him as quarterback nine. So you're sort of in between Mike and I, right? It is like all the tools are there for Justin Herbert to be a great fantasy quarterback. What I mean by that is obviously talented enough as a thrower to be a very, very prolific passer. And then on top of that, he's a runner, right? He is an excellent athlete for a guy of his size, right? He's not in the March accent. He's not Josh Allen, but this is a more than capable runner who has 500 yard rushing upside in his bag. You pair that with what should be amongst the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL. I am projecting a big step forward here for Justin Herbert. Thank you, Mike McDaniel. If things go as planned, at least in my eyes this upcoming season, Mike McDaniel is not only going to be the fantasy coach of the year. He might be a head coach of the NFL year from right now. Because the chargers, I think are going to be really good, even in a very competitive AFC West, and a very competitive AFC conference. I think Justin Herbert, though, has a chance to be in the MVP conversation for real life. That should translate to massive fantasy numbers as well. I know Mike is more apprehensive because of his past. It's, we don't talk as maybe, I guess we do. We talk about systems somewhat in fantasy football, but not enough. He was playing in a, I'm trying to think of like, back in the day, when Daniel's pistons were in the NBA title, they're winning games like 92 to 87. Yes, people did not like watching them because it wasn't as much a fun of basketball. It was defensive grinded out basketball. Now defensive grinded out basketball games are like 111 to 109, right? Yeah. You got basketball games that are 144 to 142. Justin Herbert was playing 90, he was playing Detroit Pistons basketball over the past, whatever, four or five seasons, that Greg Roman system. I like it. Now he's ready to play Steve Nash, seven seconds or less, letter rip, let's score. Yeah, baby, no notes from me. Mike, that's fair. I just want to point out something, which is, I've talked about this a lot, but QB8 to QB15 on my board, right? Here are the projected fantasy points for these guys. 289, 286, 296, 292, 293, 282, 283, 291. So everyone's based on it. They're all within like 10 points. That tier is so massive. Another reason to like 350,000? No, he's at 283. So they're all so close. So I could easily put him QB8 and he's still, he'd be leading that tier instead of near the bottom. The reason I've been out on him is because he's one of the most expensive quarterbacks in that tier. So I'm just happy, once I get past those top seven, which includes burrow and dart toward the end of that, that top seven tier, I'm just going to sit and wait in whoever's left. If Herbert happens to be the guy that falls, I'm fine to take him. It's just I'm not going to reach on anyone in that tier. I'm not going to do it. There's no reason to. They're so close. And in those rounds, let's say seven to 10, there's just so many other school guys, especially a wide receiver. I'm just not going to say, I'll take the Trevor Lawrence at the top of the tier and just miss out on a good receiver. I'm not going to do that. That's the only reason that I'm kind of out on Herbert. I love you. And for those reasons, it sounds like you were bullied into taking a quarterback earlier on in your life. And you're like, I'm just not going to do any more. I'm not at all. You guys don't have to make me do it. You can't make me do it. I don't know what emotions I'm going to be feeling. The week that Mike is playing me in the fantasy-focused league, and I five beat Mike, I knock him out of the playoffs, and he has to put Herbert in his quarterback. Oh, that's good. I have him. Angel and devil. Oh and dynasty. No, I don't. I do have him in our dynasty. Oh, yeah, that's right, we've already drafted fantasy-focused. That's what I did. I mean, I'm Justin Herbert. No, you go in. I'm here. You guys a deeper league name? Fuck in the trend. I sure am, because listen, we talk about waiting on quarterback. You talked about it, because it was one of the things I was going to talk about here. I'm drafting more two quarterback leagues than I ever have. Even in a single quarterback league, I'm drafting two quarterbacks. Correct. And one of my favorite second quarterbacks to draft is Tyler Schuck. And part because he's free. There are very few people that I can go into a draft and be like, I can guarantee you. I can leave a draft with that guy. Yes, fielded. There are very few things in life remaining that are free. That's true. That's true. Go into the library, free. But it's as long as you return your books on time. True. Yes. Because then when you don't, it's not. That's a good point. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about Tyler Schuck, though. Yeah. Didn't start as a rookie. That entire like basically, he only played from week 13 on. And as soon as he got the jump, at least 17 fantasy points in every single game. QB6 and points per game from week 13 on had at least 21 fantasy points in three of those games. I know it was a friendly schedule. But I saw what he was able to do not only with his arm, but with his legs. He was top 12 at the quarterback position in rushing yards per game. I think there's more to unlock in that category. If you told me he was top 10, top eight, maybe top seven, like he's a little mini bonix in my mind. And fields, you've kind of talked a little bit about this calendar more offense. How quickly they are going to move. The pace of play that these Saints play at and how much Tyler Schuck could either be out there slinging it because the team is trying to keep up with other teams that they're playing with. I do think that they're going to be at least in contention for the NFC South. But this is a situation where the offense I think is going to take another step. Jordan Tyson put a little bit of cold water on that with him getting hurt. But they obviously wanted to add more weapons to this offense. And with where Tyler Schuck is at, he's just free and draft. He's not a guy that I feel like I need to go out and spend a bunch of money on. He's my favorite QB2 that I think has a chance to go from being like a mid tier QB2. to jumping into if things go right with his skill set and what this offense could potentially become this year, a low end QB one, maybe not fully Jackson Dart like he was last year, but someone that, you know, could fall into that QB eight, QB 10 range if things go right as the season progresses. I would say this. So the positives, and I'll just give like one potential piece of hesitation, but a lot of positives here is Mike often talks about the year one to year two leap, right? It's in play here for Tyler Schuck, the eye test was really good to Tyler Schuck down the stretch last year. The mobility you mentioned is all really good. There was some legitimate. There's a sample size of good games. The biggest question that I have is whether these Saints were putting a lot of stock into a five game sample where I do think the Saints kind of feasted on a very easy schedule, like low and easy schedule. That's my only bit of apprehension though, like we're trying to be balanced here. I think the guy has, like he could be easily the sleeper quarterback of this year. I don't disagree. I'll let you go first. Yeah. No, I was just going to say, um, I hear that I, he was solid with his arm and he ended at some value with his legs, which helps also, he didn't, it's not like he was putting up huge numbers. He was putting up solid. Solid. Yeah. He didn't reach 22 points in any game. And the supporting cast was pretty poor last year. A lot of people. Yeah, a lot of it. But that was about it. Everyone else was injured. So it's much better this year, whether he chained. And obviously at some point we're going to have Jordan Tyson. So I think that helps potentially get him to that next level and allow him some more spike game. So yeah, I'm optimistic. As a QB two that costs you nothing and a guy that I think has upside that could outperform as ADP at the end of your bench. I like Tyler. That's fine. The only reason I'm not higher as you saw in the rankings on the screen is there's this guy. Each of 15 is so deep. Like you put him ahead of my homes, her, Caleb Stafford, Purdy, you know, like I'm not going to go that far, but that next year with Kyler, I've Kyler and then him. Like he's next. He's right there. That's fair. Let's start with the running back spot. Michael Clay. You've been talking about one running back. In fact, I feel that I know this stat by heart. Do you want to give it or do you want me to do it? Yeah. Go ahead, please. All right. So over the past 38 years, we're running back from Notre Dame and been drafted in the first round. Yes. And all of them eventually want American Idol. That's right. That's it. That was way off. That was. That was not even Clay. It was about running back. That's about all you got right. That was about it. That was an even a good try. I mean, that was way off. Of the last nine running backs drafted inside, he doesn't get your humor. I get your humor. I don't get it. Last nine running backs drafted inside the actual top 12 of the NFL draft. All nine of them have finished top 12 in fantasy football in the rookie season. Yeah. In fact, they all finished top 11. Yes. They did. Fantasy points to be slightly more specific. Gentie was the worst of those bunch. And he was 11 last season. So yeah, obviously very much in on Jeremiah love. I guess before I really get into it here, there was a little bit of news there kind of. I would say conflicting reports, but one report was essentially from the head coach, which was that progressing well to be ready for week one. And then I believe it wasn't my grandfather, follow said he's considered 50, 50. Yeah. I was my grandfather. He's considered 50, 50. So I mean, I, it still feels optimistic. It feels more 70 or 80, 20 to me. Are you a glass has full or a glass has empty? I, well, you know, me, you said glass, glass has, I think you said glass, I did. Full, yeah. I like to run that tape back, maybe can we? I'll ask you again. Are you a glass has empty or a glass has full? I'm going to try, try not to half-ass your quotes. How about that? Oh, wow. I'm a dot. Wow. Yeah, Michael. Goodness. Yeah. Half-butt. Half-butt your quotes? Okay. Okay. Move. Look, I love love. You know, optimistic here. Yes. Feel good. I know, I know a lot of teams. So it feels more 80, 20 to me. Okay. I did one game. Yeah. It doesn't much like Malik neighbors. I'm, I'm fine with that. Yes. I think the first month of the season is not where he's going to win you leagues. I think it's after that where he's going to win you leagues. So, um, still very optimistic. I did do my initial week one rankings last night. You guys can get to work at some point if you'd like to join in on that. But I did reduce his work as week one workload. So I'm still ranking as a RB2, but I think we'll see more Alger in that first game as they limit him a little bit. Maybe we can do that. We can do like a live week one rankings on Thursday. Yeah. Thursday and Friday. You want to do that? Yeah, that would be good. I won't be here because I'm grinding. Oh. On the beach. I'm just going to say grinding in the spike ball court. Yeah, exactly. Spike balls, the spike ball is still big. I've heard of it. I take it. I take it to the beach every year and build a net and put it there. Mike's in a league with a bunch of nine year olds. Kind of 10 years. It's really good. It's my favorite league because I crushed them. It's their head. I crushed them every time. No, wait, I was humbled. We had a party for Baker and Brighton had their birthday weekend last weekend and we were playing. I built them a basketball hoop on Friday and then we had a party Saturday and we were playing knockout with like a bunch of kids and a couple of adults mixed in. Yeah. I mean, I'm 41 now. A little bit. I didn't win every time, which is. Are you the Steph Curry or 41-year-olds? What's that? Are you the Steph Curry or 41-year-olds or probably? I mean, I was doing all right. You know, I'm so shooting it pretty well. I was going to come to the birthday party, but then I found out Mike didn't put up a zipline and I'm really on there for the zipline. What kind of birthday party is there without a zipline? Yeah. I don't know. Amateur. I mean, it is fun at this age though to be able to play knockout with a bunch of people. Like, even if it's kids, I'm the one. I'm the one at the party. So it isn't stand around with the adults. I'm the one that goes and that's whatever. You stay young. You stay party. I roller skate. You know, whatever it is. Anyway, I love love. Jeremiah love. I've talked about them all off season. You heard the stat. Super fast. That's right. I'm a fan of the Zip. JP Ryan. So I am all in on Chase Brown coming back doing this again. He proved that he can be the dude last year as long as everyone stays healthy. I have him as my RB six. I would draft him ahead of Christian McCaffery. Somebody asked me to be interesting. I mean, we can debate that a little bit later. How many years do you go with this? Like he just keeps he just continues to play well. He's going to keep going back to it as long until he regresses. So he was RB 12 three years ago. RB eight last year. I have him as RB six this season. If he finishes as RB better than RB eight the next year, I got to keep going. It's only trending upwards. I think so. I think he should. Yeah. By the way, complete like opposite in a lot of ways to dare Kenry who you just you just talked about where Henry so reliant on the running game Brown so reliant on the passing game. He's got to finish top 15 in carries. Yes. It's interesting. However, like Henry, an absolute touchdown machine down the stretch last year. 10 game. Amazing. Final 10 games. He had 10 touchdowns and over 21 fantasy points per game. I mean, you read it was ugly early on, but again, a lot of that was no Joe burrow. Once burrow was back, he was, he was, uh, what was it? It was flacco and then burrow, right? Where he kind of picked it back up. So I'm with you. I mean, he's just in that deep tear. Again, I talked about tears. RB six to 15 for me is about the same. I mean, it's very similar. I actually, I guess it's 14 now because we removed Josh Jacobs from there. So big tear and he's very much in the thick of that. I could see him being and I don't feel this way, but I could see Chase Brown being one of the least sexy RB one options that I think is a legitimate RB one option because in my mind, some of the other running backs at play within that group just have a more dynamic skill set or body that looks like it's built to play running back in the NFL. Chase Brown doesn't necessarily have like an elite skill set or a body that you're like that do looks like a running back. He just does everything really well. I think that kind of hurts Chase Brown a little bit because people don't see him as the elite player that he is in this offense. Yeah. Okay. So quick thought because you just said something that prompted something in my brain. Yeah, bring it. Chase Brown love them all about it. We used to say that James Conner was like the least sexy RB two. We did yesterday when we were discussing guys that might be fantasy relevant or tangentially relevant. They're on IR. Add James Conn of that list, right? He's on IR. He missed the first four games of the season. The Cardinals also traded the way of running back to the Patriots corner. Yep. Mike, you're the Dept chart king. Do you have the Cardinals running back Dept chart available right now? Yeah, it's what I do. It's going to be, you know, the big two of course. Love and those are running back now. Do they have one family? Bam night. Just like and I'm just do they have three total on their roster? Yes. Love, Alger and night. That's all they have right now. And they can certainly call somebody out from the practice squad and week one if they need to. If Jordan love Jeremiah love, excuse me, is out. That kind of caught my attention a little bit. If you're at all concerned about your guy. Yeah. No, like I want to pat it with with Connor. No, I'm saying like if you know, Jeremiah love this, they're going to have to make a plan if they don't have them week one. Yeah. So I'm just like that helps the cause of him being available. It's like they're a little thinner running back now. I like it. Anyways, I digress. Yeah. Do you have a bonus picker running back? I did, but it's just the guy that I've been talking about. It'll be Jadari and Price. We've talked about him. 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If there's some sort of extenuating circumstances, that's fine. People are dynasty. It's definitely Omari and Hampton. Of course, of course. Unless you're like, this is my year. This is it. Yeah. But like, unless these guys went three picks apart in a redraf league right now, the person who drafted Omari and Hampton probably drafted him around or around and a half later than Christian McAfry. That seems like pretty good value to me, right? Yeah. Yes. Oh, no. From a value standpoint, I wouldn't do it. But like, you're just saying in a world of which you were on the clock at pick eight and both were available. You're taking away. I would take Hampton. All right. Another question here from our chat. This one comes from TK-O-N-O 51. Who is the next rookie tight end that's going to be the breakout that nobody knows? I asked you about Kenyan Sadiq because he was like a big name, but weak tight end class this year. And we talked about in Philly too. That doesn't feel for fantasy. It's weak for real NFL. It was pretty. Yeah. It's for fantasies week. The NFL had this incredible runs of tight ends being drafted. But this was like the year in which like, blocking tight ends are in fog. The Jaguars took a blocking tight end name Nate Borkacher from Texas A&M, the second round that had a lot of people around the NFL surprise. Dolphins took Wilkes Merrick, which is the third round from Ohio State. Those guys, I truly believe the two of them. If my memory is correct, we're under like 35 catches combined last year. Wow. Right. So we did have a lot of tight ends drafted. We also had a lot of guys that we're are going to be, they're Sean McVeigh type tight ends, right? Like block your butt off and you might catch like 12 passes all year. You'll be in good shape. So for fantasy, there's no one that peeks my interest right now and read draft. Maybe on deep sleep or Oscar, Delph might be one. Like if you can, but John Johnson's still there. They brought a Noah Fant. 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Book your next trip at LeKinta.com, terms and conditions apply. - Tough year for rookie tide end. - Yeah. - Let's talk about some my receivers, guys. - Do it. - Plant our flags, feel them. I'm gonna start with you on this one. I've been starting with Mike. - Yeah, you know like sometimes I feel like building, I don't know, sometimes you try to plant your flag and like you hit a piece of dirt or like a rock on the way down. - There you go, yes. - That might have happened to me with the mecca of Bukka, sorry Mike. - No, I'm just like, I'm actually like, I like your sneakers. I got distracted. - Oh, thank you. - That's kind of like the same sneaker, I'm all full. - This is bad TV because no one could see them, but it's like the same sneaker, but you're all like glowed. - But yours are royal, my or maybe. - I'm a little bit of a sneaker guy now, so now I want those sneakers. - Sneaker head. I'm a mecca of Bukka's my pick here. I would have felt a lot better about this three weeks ago when it seemed like he was much healthier, but I don't know, like when there's a question mark about whether they're gonna play in week one and if you're gonna be healthy enough to push off as a wide receiver, those are fundamental important things. And yet I remain undeterred. I'm going down the mecca of Bukka pathway, baby. He's a really good player, he's so solid, he's so steady, he's still dependable. There are a lot of pass catchers in this Bukk's offense. None of them are short things. We talked about the possible to the Chris Godwin, it's just sort of past, he's on the back nine of his career, back nine of his fantasy career. Jaylen McMillan's a really good player, we'll talk about him more, but he kind of a flash in the pan. Ted Hersbuzz was strong early in training camp. Not sure it's gonna be as strong once the game's actually begin. I think a mecca of Bukka is the guy for Tampa Bay. I would have been a little more full-throated with my endorsement here if he had been healthy right now, but we're trying to stay true to like some of the receivers that we feel like we have ranked higher than consensus. And that was why I landed on a mecca of Bukka. Other picks I would have, like I pivot to AJ Brown for example. A guy haven't spent enough time talking about this year, but I am holding steady on a mecca of Bukka, hoping that he plays week one, really believe in the player. And I do believe the Baker Mayfield this year will thrive. I think it's a better system for him and Baker in a contract year has my attention. He is the clear alpha wide receiver one when healthy in this offense in his second year already. - You imagine so. - Yeah, it should be. - Feels that way. - Yeah, I'm with you. I think if you make a short list of wide receivers that have yet to post to top five seasons, so obviously wipe those top guys out the elite guys out. And you make a short list of guys who can get there this year that have that ceiling. Even one of them, certainly on that list. - Yep. What about you, Michael? - Another guy that fits that bill if he gets quarter back play. - Garrett Wilson. (buzzer) - Do you want to say something? - You got them wide receiver 14, like that's the hard part. - Yeah, you're one spot behind you. - I know. - Or way off. - You get that giant tear drop right there. - That's it, yes. - Are we planting our flag on guys that aren't going to live up the expectations? - He's going to. - Yeah. - He's going to. Yeah, he's going to this season. That's why I'm planting my flag. - Okay. - Breakout season for Garrett Wilson. - He worked very under discount in drafts, he's going in the fourth round as a guy that was injured last year. But never before us, first three years in the league. He was fully healthy, didn't miss a game. He was top six in targets all three years. But the efficiency was not there. The touchdowns weren't there because the quarterback play was poor. Yeah, last year, even with shaky quarterback play, it might have happened. He was off to a great start. He was handling a third of the targets, averaging over 14 fantasy points per game, four touchdowns and six games. It was starting to happen last year before the injury issues. I've talked about the quarterback upgrade. I truly believe that while Geno Smith is not the future there, and he's not a huge needle mover by any means. He's good enough to get the ball in the hands of his top skill guys. We saw that in Seattle. I've used a step before during his three seasons there. Siaks were top 10 in passing yards. Top 10 in wide receiver fantasy points. There were four different instances of a top 16 fantasy season. Excuse me, top 21 fantasy season. DK McCaff in Tyler Lockett, both were top 16 one year. Yes, and next year DK McCaff was 21. Lockett was actually 31 that year as JSN kind of took on a role there. I'm a good Garrett Wilson here. And then 2024, JSN was top 10. The DK McCaff still finished top 35 despite missing games due to injury. So he can get the ball to his top guys. And by the way, I know they drafted some guys this year to first round picks. Kenyans and he's going to get off to a slow start. He's he's been injured. He hasn't really played much. Yeah, one hand catch. Wow. I want to accuracy by Gino Smith throwing the ball like a four feet behind a lighter receiver. He doesn't even need to be perfect. See that? Exactly. Oh, Mark Cooper is not going to play much. I mean, a ball boy. It's going to be the Garrett Wilson show again this year. Do you see that? Yeah. I was not good at it. Was that like, I feel he would be tough to be like a ball boy throwing like pretend passes to NFL wide receiver scoots like just don't mess up. Just don't mess up. I think the number one thing that people may not realize about like playing catch. Or like NFL quarterbacks when they play catch is when you watch them from a distance, it looks like they're just taking the ball and like just sort of lofting it back and forth. No quarterback throws with less than like 85 mile per hour. Right. Even on like a six yard throw. Even with the touch. I remember and like not to dream about not to name drop no big deal. But like back in the day, look with being around Tom Brady. And Tom obviously is about his fundamentally sound and mechanically sound as any quarterback has ever been. Right. And so I think part of that was like, yeah, you step into every throw, you're like, you know, the perfect rotation, the perfect throwing motion. And that's not designed to like throw the ball soft, right? Like you don't like do throw a perfect throwing motion and then all of a sudden the ball just like floats to you, right? It comes with some heat. It's game action. So these quarterbacks are chucking that thing even when it's like five yards away. I feel like you learned pretty quickly. They catch in the ball and you're stomach like this from a quarterback is not a good idea. Gloves is the number one thing I used to have pink hands after playing catch with the quarterback. I remember I think it was like I was around when I was going to colleges around that age. We went to a wide world of sports at Disney. Oh yeah. Because they did like a tour and they had some stuff set up for kids and stuff and they had a like a baseball pitching machine. Yeah. But the footballs were in there and it was like, this is supposed to be like the speed of an NFL pass. We didn't catch a single pass. I mean, it was just like a hard right through your hands every single time. Yeah. Yeah. You have no idea how fast those things are moving. Speaking of fast things. My guy, what a transition. Lad Maconky. 4 340 speed. My friends. Listen fast full. Once again. That's right. Sorry. He's not going to be bad. Macdonkey this year. He's going to be rad Macgronkey. Oh. Yeah. That worked. I'm trying here. That was like I'm driving in the car thinking about a way to spin Lad Maconkey. Yes. That's exactly what it is. Rad Maconkey. That's what it is. He was wide received for 13 as a rookie. If you guys remember last year, he got Keenan Allen to the entire offense was kind of spread out to a little bit everyone. He majorly disappointed though. A lot of scar tissue. At in part, I think has kind of dropped his ADP a little bit given the fact that you've Mike McDaniels. We're really in. If you're in on Justin Herbert, you're in on Mike McDaniel in the offense. I would also assume that we're probably going to be in on what would be the number one pass catcher because in my estimation, I look at these guys here. Keenan Allen is gone. Quintin's Johnston has not showed consticency as a part of his game, right? Trey Harris. Third round rookie from. Third round. Second round rookie last year. Yeah. David and Jokou is now there, Aronda Gatsden is still there, but like nobody else is really giving you a ton of names that make you feel like super good about it. Lad Maconkey and what could be a Mike McDaniel offense? I don't want to compare him necessarily to like Tyrie Kill or a Jaden. He's fast though. This is going to be one of those like when you think about what that McDaniel offense was with two in Miami and what that wide receiver one could be with speed. I've got Lad Maconkey all the way up. I actually moved him to wide receiver 13. Brad, I moved him up from wide receiver 16 because I have just, I have been thinking to myself, if I really do love Justin Herbert this much, if I really am saying the offense is going to do this and I look at the rest of the pieces, there's one consistent piece in my mind of this charger's passing game. And that's Lad Maconkey. Yeah. I've talked about this before. You compare year one to year two and obviously to your point, the numbers, the fantasy production plummeted. But if you look a little deeper, you see that his routes run from year one to two way up targets about the same goal line work way up. He was seventh in end zone targets last year. So you're like, how does that make sense that his fantasy production fell off? Well, the efficiency was horrible last year. That was really the difference. So if you do believe that Mike McDaniel is going to get the efficiency improved in this offense, then you're exactly right. You should totally be in on Mc, uh, uh, Rocky, like which way I almost said, McDonkey, which one is it? You absolutely should. And the arts for target went from 10.4 to 7.4, that's a huge difference last year. So if that gets fixed and the volume stays the same, which it should to your point, there's no reason to think it's going to go down, you know, he's in a great spot. They every, this happened just like somebody breaks out or falls far and every year going forward. And it's like, who is this year's version of everyone Pukutaku has this amazing rookie season? Who's the guy who's not being drafted? Who's going to finish at the top 10 wide receiver? Probably nobody. Brock Purti, Mr. Rellen, who's next year's Brock Purti probably nobody, um, Jackson Smith and Jigba is kind of the archetype we're looking for this year, like a really good player prior to last season. Yeah. But not ready for showtime to the point that he is now being drafted as one of the top six players in fantasy. Mm hmm. We're looking for this year's Jackson Smith and Jigba might not happen. Lad McConkey would be a reasonable name to throw into that potential pie. I did that on, uh, I do a column every year where I look for those guys, try to find, uh, fires that could be that next guy for JS and mind was Ibuka, but certainly Maconkey's on that list as well, Teteromic Millen, I think fits that bill. There's a couple. A couple guys like that. I'll leave. All right. Let's move ahead and talk about some tight ends field. I'm going to start with you. Colson Loveland. Uh, if, if so, I was thinking about this. How long will it be before another tight end is named all pro besides either Tremac Breider prop hours, first team, I'll pro because that's the AFC and NFC. No, it's all pro. Oh, it's just one team, which is, it doesn't matter what kind of first team second team. Yeah. And I'm saying, yeah. Yeah. All injuries aside, they would be the heavy favorites. Of course. Yeah. For like, I could be for the next five years, right? Yes. But also a wooden shock. Well, I mean, I don't want to steal your thunder. Yeah. But my point is that I'm sort of thinking about my, I'm thinking about my tight end pick through the lens of like, who has the talent to snap the run that Brock Bowers and Tramie McBride are heavy favorites to hold right now? And my answer to me, Colson Loveland, and I've used this debt several times over the past 12 drafts, nine running backs have been taken in the first 12 picks, uh-huh. And all of them in finishes top 11 scores. That's true. And that's my case for Colson. Okay. My actual case for Colson. Do it argument, feel good argument. They hold it. I cannot get Mike. I know he won't. He won't at all. Every time I throw something in there, you just don't wall me. I don't want to say bad stuff about Colson Loveland. I took him in the draft yesterday. Colson Loveland though did in each of the bears to final four games of last season lead the team in targets. I hated well at the end of the season. He did. Now yes, Roman Dunesay was banged up, but DJ Morris also there at that point, like there were real signs that Ben Johnson, the offensive guru that we all have a lot of faith in believes this is a superstar level talent. I am not higher than consensus in terms of my positional rank tied in three because it's hard to crack the top two, but I am higher than our other top 160 or top 100 or top 200 rankers. I haven't 35th overall, which I believe the next closest was like 46th. Yeah. So I've got Colson Loveland as my tight end. My guy. That's a closer gap to the top tight ends than I also more optimistic on the top tight ends on the rest. Like I have both Brock Bowers and Tremick bride in that order in my top 18, which is higher than others. I really, really, really like that positional edge, like the positional edge. It's just huge. Yeah. I think he could easily make it a big three this year, maybe a big four depending on what my guy does. Yeah. Yeah. I think Loveland has the best shot to join that make it a big, big three at the top. All right. So Mike and I incidentally brought the same player to the table. The way we've decided to do this is Mike is going to do a sentence and then I'm going to do a sentence. Okay. And we're going to go back and forth until we're done with the analysis. Here we go. Okay. All right. So Mike, you want to go first? The choice of Titus is Tyler Warren 111 targets as a rookie. It could have been even better though. Because Michael Pittman Jr. vacated 111 targets this season. And also Daniel Jones was not there for the entire season. Alec Pierce finally off Puppen practicing, but not really the same kind of receiving option as Tyler Warren. Did you know that in 12 games with Daniel Jones last year? He scored five touchdowns in average over 13 fantasy points per game. I didn't. That's not my sentence though. Hold on. In five games without Daniel Jones, he had zero touchdowns and just 6.3 fantasy points per game. Wow. Kamma. Josh Downs hasn't shown consistency except that he's consistently dealing with something. He was also unlucky in touchdowns last year. Kamma. Nope. Nope. That doesn't work. I think he probably leads this team in receptions as well. Mike Tyler Warren. Kamma. Tyler Warren is my plant. My flight tight end. He was all. He was top five at tight end in targets and end zone targets and in three goal line carries last season. That was either really awful. That was really good. Like I got to say, is it is an observer? I thought you guys are going to bungle that and it was a fairly sort of coach and argument. We did that. We were like changing topics a few times. So we got. We got to point. We do both love Tyler Warren. You've heard us talk about at Nazim and he is kind of like the end of that to your all four of us kind of look at it where it's probably a top two tier and then usually Colston leveling. You've got him a little bit higher. And then Tyler Warren all packaged together in that ADP range. But I do love Tyler Warren. Yeah. All good cases there. By the way, second game show reference I'll make today, second game show involving Drew Carrey. But you guys probably know the show whose line is. Of course. Absolutely. And they do these. I mean, it's such a good show. God. So they're so funny. I like the comedy where it's like basically trade lines or like they don't know what the other styles. All the mockery. Yeah. So good. So what you were just like doing reminded me of a whose line. Oh. Well, I was going to say this is a suggestion for you is your girls get a little older, which is that, you know, there's always like little games we play with their tepid time or if we're like, I don't know, on a, whatever, a plane ride or a boat ride, whatever it might be. Sand and line win. That's a game. It's like, let's tell a story together. I do the first line. Then the kid does the second line. You just go back and forth. So I feel like I should have nailed that a little better because I've been doing stuff like that. I had a doctor's appointment yesterday and my kids were off from school. Their final day of a 10 day break and I took both of my older daughters with me to the doctor. And the game we played was how many times can my three year old pump the hand sanitizer? Oh, yeah. I was like, I'm telling you, she must have washed her hands two hundred and fifty times. She's super clean. The cleanest hands I've ever seen in my entire line. That's a little me sick. By the way, did you, um, did you get that rash cleared up? Yes. The good news is, gave me this, this cream. Good. It should knock it out within a week. Good. He's like, but if it persists, he's like, I got an alternate. Treatment. Okay. Which is great. You just come up with a good response. Yeah. I'm the fly. I didn't like it. I own it, right? You got to own it. All right. Let's go with some bonus picks. We'll be fairly quick about this. Well, I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe you won't. Wait. Did you say, oh, good. Wait. Did I just say, no, no, go ahead. Finish your thought. Finish your thought first. Did you not want to do it? No, I'm going to do it. Yeah. Okay. Did you say boneness because mine's bonix. Get it because they sort of sound. No, I got it. I did get it. And let's just start with mics. Just be quick. Yeah. Go for it. I mean, you said bonus. I almost said bonix. That was so close. I had to get there. We're making all kinds of bad jokes today. QB7 in each of his first two seasons. But we're getting him in the 10th round right now. Now, fellas, the only thing. Thank you. Excuse me, Ellen. I'm a little choked up for my great deal. Yeah. Apparently. That was it. It was so good. You know, I just need to take a minute to enjoy it. The only way you can pick a part next right now, I think, is the passing efficiency. 6.5 yards per pass attempt is pretty poor. He's made up for that with not missing time. A lot of pass volume and a lot of rushing volume as well. But I think the efficiency goes up now. They added Jalen Waddle. That should only help things. There's a reason you trade a first-round pick for a guy like that. He's already had a good floor. I think the ceiling is higher now. They're, they're, they're man, they love Davis Webb. The new play collar. Yeah. And so much like there as well. So I think he gets to the next level. And he is so cheap. I've drafted him a ton because you can get him in the double digit rounds. It's unreal. So very easy to get in drafts. Bonyx with where he's coming off the board. I'm going to use your pick. Yeah. We'll end up on the big one. Mine is Jalen Macmillan. And you guys have heard me talk about this a bunch. Another guy that is free and drafts if you want him. But I am concerned with the Chris Godwin. It's just not going to be the Chris Godwin that we have seen in the past. And we have seen flashes. This is definitely a dark throw because Jalen Macmillan was not healthy last year. There's a chance he doesn't really materialize into the flashes that we have seen. But when he's flashed, he's looked really good. His rookie season down the stretch had at least five games with 17 or more fantasy points. They're fantastic. Last year week 17 had seven catches for 114 yards. Looked really good. And especially with a mecca Buka also being banged up a little bit. Knowing that there is just some options available or some targets potentially available in that Tampa Baywide receiving core. As a free option attached to a Baker Mayfield blood offense. I like Jalen Macmillan as someone that could outperform their ADP. Let's do it. Shall we last one here? The big one. We're talking about it a plenty. Let's just nail in the coffin here. Last time we'll discuss it. Last time. Last time. Christian McCaffrey. Yep. And I, it seems to me based off of what I have heard from people like Daniel. What I have seen on social media. What I have seen in drafts is that there are two schools of thought on Christian McCaffrey. One in, one out. Right. And I'm in on Christian McCaffrey. That's my third ranked player overall. I understand the limitations. I know that the limitations that I will grant for Christian McCaffrey are these. He has been more banged up. And he could be more vulnerable to being banged up again this year than guys like B. John Robinson and, and Jameer Gibbs. And on top of that, I will acknowledge this Mike probably won't. That if Christian McCaffrey gets hurt this year, I will be kicking myself tremendously forward. That is opposed to if I drafted James Cokene got hurt, I will be saying, damn it, I got unlucky. Yep. That idea to me matters to Mike. It probably doesn't matter. It depends what injury it is, I guess. I mean, what are we, what's the, what's the science on this? What are we more worried about? It doesn't matter. It doesn't. I mean, if he, he wasn't even tight. If he cares as ACL or something, I don't think that's the same. It's like, just he's, he's dealing with nagging shoulders. This tweet is like a hate tweet. That is like a hate tweet. That's a hate tweet. This person. It's just a robot running and crashing. I am, I am sort of unbothered by the decreased efficiency as a rusher, because last year, exactly. A poor rusher and he literally was the highest scoring player in all the fantasy. I don't think anything is going to change in terms of Kyle Shanahan's appetite to feed him the rock. A plenty. If anything, the backfield behind him feels less certain than it did last year, like Brian Robinson when they traded for him when we were down in Baja Mar last year. It's like, all right. Here's the CMC backup you're going to need to roster. He was a legitimate player two years ago with the commanders. It's Kaelin Black now. They're a third-round pick. Isaac Garendo, their fourth-round pick, who seems to be just the latest in the Kyle Shanahan drafts running back early and then gives up fast on running back. He seems to be the latest one of those files. Yeah. He's out. I'm running James playing special teams. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. So I think that when the week one ranks drop for everybody besides Mike and the week one projection drop, which is only Mike, I'm going to guess that the highest projected player even in a matchup against Los Angeles Rams will be Christian McCaffrey. He's, I don't think I have him one, but he's, he's in the, look, the only reason he's not one in my rankings for this year is because Gibbs and Robinson are awesome. There's like, they're also awesome and they're younger and there's things going great for them. They're great players. It's fine to put them one too. But otherwise McCaffrey, it'd be fine with number one. I think it really is injury or elite. It's like, but that applies to so many players. Like I just, I'm not going to get too caught up and the thing is like the other thing, the third factor, there would be a drop off in player usage. I don't see a drop off in usage, it's your point. And I, like last year his rushing efficiency was pretty poor and he was still by far the number one fantasy running back. So unless he misses half the season, I feel like he's going to pay off as ADP. I just, that's why, that's my logic. That's why I can't back off of him as a mid first round pick. Last thing I'll say and then it's all the Daniel is it because I hear you on everything that you just added Mike and I am, like I'm in on Christian McCaffrey. I also acknowledge that like if he gets hurt, like I'm the one who's saying like I will A, draft him third overall, but B, I will be kicking myself if he gets hurt and I would not be kicking myself if I instead took Jamar Chase and he got hurt. So I am here you, I hear you with the emotional side of it, but the pragmatic side of my brain, which is somewhat operable during the preseason tells me Christian McCaffrey deserves to be the third best player in fantasy football, Daniel Dopp take the floor tall years. Oh, sorry. I feel like Mike is gaslighting me because I feel like you're the emotional one and I'm the logical one in this one. I disagree. I understand that you disagree. So this is why when you guys talk about your argument, I asked our team to put together full screen. Oh wow, let's go. Let's take a look at all and I'm going to read it to all the people that aren't there. These are all the players, all the running backs in the last 20 years that have had at least 450 touches and what they did the following season, Larry Johnson 2006 was RB 3 following season season finishes RB 38 didn't finish the season because he got hurt. Aaron Foster 2012 finishes RB 3 had over 450 touches following season finishes running back 46. Next 2014 to Marco Murray was RB 2. His next season he finishes running back 15. A couple years ago was Saicon Barkley who had 482 touches finishes RB 2 following season finishes running back 14. Last year Christian McCaffrey 450 touches was RB 1. We're right now expecting at least with the way that you guys are ranking Christian McCaffrey to be the first running back 20 years to finish as higher than running back 14 after having 450 touches in the previous season. The only running back in two decades to be able to do that. Mind you as a part of that Christian McCaffrey has had 300 touch seasons. We have another full screen if you want to see it. The last two times he's had 400 touch seasons here's what he did the following year 76 touches the sex the following year after 2019 he only played three games. In 2023 he had 400 touches the following year he only played four games had 65 touches. This last year had the most touches of his career 450 so now at the age of 30 we're hoping that he's going to do something not only that he's never done before after the most touches ever in his career but something no running back in the last 20 years has done. That's correct. See when I think about it that is like the numbers that like Mike taught me this over the last five years of looking at historical running back data and so I feel like you guys drafting them at RB three is like there are so many other options that don't carry the risk that I just saw on that screen early in the draft. I just can't be in on CMC with all of the other options that are there. It's just the it truly is some players are are unicorns are hall of fame players and their exception to the rules and we have seen that with like another example would be Larry Fitzgerald or now Mike Evans guys that are still producing into their 30s. I know it's a different position but I feel like Christian McCaffrey fits the bill. I mean and again I think that he he swayed me off applying him to that sort of graphic because of what he did last year which is to not run the ball effectively and the 49ers do nothing about it. There's a like we're still featuring your you sterile very good in the passing game and they didn't address that position this year came on black. I mean yes he's a third round pick but it's not like they made some grand gesture grand move to have a real competition for him. This is still the McCaffrey show and another variable one more is Kyle shenan's offense. I mean, it is always really good even if they have quarterback problems is very rare. I should say that it really falls off. There's so many things that make him an exception to the rule and I think that's a lot. I don't think that's emotional. I think there's a logic behind why he can do it one more time. But usually you are the kind of person that would deviate from extremes. Yeah. And I'm telling you it seems like this extreme you're not deviating from your you're buying into this is the one extreme and I should point this out. I have him projected for about 120 fewer fantasy points in last year. So I am expecting a return to earth. But he was just so far ahead everyone else that he could really come back to earth and still be a top five score at running back. Can I ask one last or want to make one more point and we can we can put a pit on this if we need to. I have a question, who's your RB three? My RB three is James Cook. My RB four is Jonathan Taylor. So I would actually I could entertain Jonathan Taylor as RB three over Christian McAfry. Yeah. I think I probably am lost to James. Okay. And here's the reason why. Do you like I could we have almost seen this like a scenario where Jonathan Taylor is the highest scoring player in fantasy. I just don't see a world in which James Cook or players are Mario and Hampton guys that are in your chase brown. I don't think those guys have RB one overall. Yeah. Cook's also a guy that's going to score fewer touchdowns. It's your most likely. He's a regression candidate as well and not as evolved in the passing game. So we say often that like you can't you can't always win your league in the first round. But you can definitely lose it. Yeah. Christian McAfry might be a good test there, right? Because you might be able to win or lose your league in the first round. If you get Christian McAfry 8th overall and he's the highest scoring player once again, that's insane Mike has continually highlighted the point that I have been trying to make, which is I don't think Christian McAfry finishes as RB 14. He's either going to be RB one or RB 47, which is that when you are choosing to draft a guy. I think you guys are choosing to draft a guy that has more injury variance and you're even acknowledging that than other people in the first round that you don't say that. I don't know if he does. I don't know if we have the the science behind that that suggests he actually is part of an injury risk. That's fair. It's like 20% to 15% or I don't know, I don't think I think it's negligible enough that it's not going to move the needle forever. This is a great debate. And we already have me versus you, Maureen Hampton, Christian McAfry, with you know, like reasonable parameters, like if it's more points and Hampton plays 10 fewer games, I'm not going to say I'm correct. No, no, no, no. But I think you were right about this. I think there are two schools of thought and it's either you're in on Christian McAfry because you guys believe and we've seen all the things that he is or you're like, I'm out because of the touches and injury concerns. I believe he is either left as a lead. We'll see. Let's take a quick look. One more time. Just so that you can see who we brought to the table. Our plant, our flag guys, this episode, each one of us brought one of each one. When it starts Michaels with Michaels, Michael Jackson, go ahead, Jackson, Darry, Jeremiah Love, Garrett Wilson, Tyler Warren, there's your league winners for the year, dramatic effect including all good field Gates. I'm going to go second here. This is Tyler Schuck, Chase Brown, Lad McConkey, and Tyler Warren, also Mike and I did share tight ends. Stop, uh, stop stealing my guy and mine, Justin Herbert, Derek Henry, Mecca, Ibuka and Colston Loveland, a lot of good players, a lot of good players in this list. All right. We got even more for tomorrow. Thank you guys for hanging out with us. Hey, you know what? After tomorrow, right? A big draft tomorrow. We got a knockout league draft. If you're interested in doing something a little different with your leagues. All right. We love you guys. Don't forget to love each other. Do yourself. You deserve it. We'll see you back here on Wednesday. See ya later. Ghosts. I'm gonna see you in the whole six, oh, one of us. 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