Hello legends, well, it has been a week. Firstly, I just wanted to thank you all from all of your wonderful messages of support. It means the absolute world to me, literally tens of thousands of you. Like this one on YouTube, I don't agree with the person he had on the podcast, but that's my opinion and that's what makes Australia great. You don't have to agree with it and you don't have to listen if you don't want to. The Australian media is losing everyone with a personality and an opinion. Well, a few others are less supportive. It has to be said, but that's okay. I'm okay with it. It's free speech. It should have happened 15 years ago. Good on you. Well, here's another one on YouTube as well. And that is why I don't watch your pathetic shows or news coverage. Power is with me. Like you said, I used my power only here to let others know to exercise their power too. And my good friends at the Guardian, they've been whipped into a frenzy this week. Interestingly though, they covered it in their socials too, but they turned all the comments off. Hey, you free speech lovers, you guys. And of course, the show's number one fan album. He wanted in on this action. He said, you go down that road and you go further out on the edges of what is mainstream political debate in this country. Look at what's happened. I suppose it depends on who's defining political debate elbow. Don't you think? Just a reminder, I did an interview and he lied to the country and still has his job. So we're just getting started. There's a lot to do. I'm committed and I can't wait to bring you these interviews. My first friend is a good PS Morgan. You two, I didn't think I'd be doing. It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. I don't know how you feel and I know how you feel as it goes on. Yeah. I've got nothing to worry about. Okay. Is PS Morgan uncensored doing this for you? Welcome to my nice yacht. My God. Well, someone's going to get me a taxi around town. Oh, my God. It's magnificent. It's good to see you. Are we going to, are we just going to pretend that we're going to now do the interview we were going to do where you were going to interview me about life after morning shows, life after walking out in a huge Ferrari over free speech because I had a view that my corporate bosses didn't like because it does seem a bit ridiculous, car because literally in the last few hours, you've just been fired. Thank you, PS. Thank you for reminding me. So you having been a great support to me, by the way, when it happened to me at ITV in England, I want to return the favor because it's weird. You were going to interview me. I kind of feel like I should be interviewing you. I can do whatever I want now, which is one of the side benefits of getting the ass. But what has happened? You know, the Robertson interview that I did, you know, Tommy Robertson, yeah, was getting a fair bit of play, criticism, all that sort of stuff. Wherever in the UK, getting all these interviews about what's happening in the UK with politics, where are the voices, what are they saying? And I thought Tommy Robertson was a legitimate interview for us to pick up. What's happening on the right, what's happening on the streets? And, you know, a KEC came in and we did it and, you know, I put it up on air and then a couple of days later, you know. Once you, I mean, when you decided to interview him, did any part of you think this could be a problem? I know that he's hot, but it didn't seem to me when you're from Australia, you're over in the UK. It was just a legitimate interview. I mean, he was just on that debate in Oxford. You know, just on a huge march, a hundred thousand people or more, marching at his rally to light the kingdom as he calls it. I mean, look, I don't like Tommy Robertson, but I've invited him on my show repeatedly, he hasn't come on yet. And I would welcome opportunity to platform him to challenge him because he is a culturally significant figure to pretend he isn't, is ridiculous. The idea that an Australian coming right across the world to analyze what's going on in the UK right now would interview someone like Tommy Robertson and be fired for doing that. I just find completely ridiculous. I mean, as you know, I'm all about freedom of speech. And I think it is legitimately a part of the story in Great Britain, as is the rise of reform, what Rupert Lowe's doing with the restore, the collapse of the Tories and Keir Starmer, who I won't say again is a. Don't repeat that. Did that play a part? So there's a clip of you in Robinson. I think it's you to the street and he repeats the chant that's been chanted by English football fans. Now he is a former leader of a football hooligan gang at Lutentown, but he knows all the football lads who've been following England have been chanting Keir Starmer is a wanker. Now, I'm not even sure Australians know what a wanker is. I mean, I know if you're Australians who qualify for the title. Is it an accurate description of Keir Starmer? I don't know. That's what most people in Britain probably think, but regardless of that, again, the idea that you would be sacked from a job you've had 21 years, you've done that morning show, the channel 9, the today show. I mean, I've been doing interviews with you for that, since I can remember. Right? And you're an integral part of Australian culture, popular culture. I mean, just on a human level, how you feeling? To be honest, a bit discombobulated. And for me, my first thoughts go to my family. I think those things are really hard for family to hear. Have you had a chance to talk to them? Yeah, Jasmine was really upset at first. And she was like, I don't understand how you can do an interview and get sacked as a result of it. And, you know, it just puts pressure on family members and she's copped heat on social media. And, you know, it's like, that's hard, but also the other aspect of it to me is really difficult is that I've worked there for 21 years. I've had the most wonderful experience with awesome people there. And I've worked with some of the best people. I've had a lot of co-hosts. Yeah, no. You know, a lot, but you were the guy no one could work with. Finally, they got me. But, you know, I don't get to say on air, goodbyes, to, you know, Sarah's one of my dearest friends. I've had a co-host. I love her so much. I saw you guys in Dubai. Yeah. We did a live thing together. And it reminds me a lot. This is not going to be about me. I'll run a clear. What do you think? What do you think? It hasn't happened to you. Well, no, I don't want this interview to be about me because actually, although it was supposed to be, I can't feel like it's been dramatically taken over. I was having to do exactly. And what's happened to you is very reminiscent of what happened to me. You know, I was a good morning Britain for five years with big ratings, juggernautas. You've made the today show. And it was when the mega-markle Prince Harry Oprah Winfrey interview happened. And I had the audacity to challenge what they were telling Oprah. And Sarah's don't believe all of this stuff, particularly about racism and things like that, which has never been substantially since. But other people on the show were able to say, we believe them. But I got told you got to apologize or you're out. So I took the you're out option because I wasn't going to be told to apologize to people. I thought we're lying. And I think history has been quite kind to me in how they regard that interview. But I remember the reactions. So in the immediate aftermath, it was total mayhem. You let me be there every day for five years. And then suddenly I'm gone. You know, everywhere we travel with the Carl Stephanovich show, we hear the same thing. It's hard to employ people in Australia. It's way too hard. Rising costs, thousands of pages of fair work rules, edge cases everywhere. They're like the flies. It's so annoying. Even trying to do the right thing. You're one step away from doing the wrong thing and who pays for it. No wonder people are fed up. It's almost like they don't want you to hire anyone anymore. That's why I like what the team at Tanda has created. Aussie built software that handles all of that complexity, rostering, payroll, HR and fair work compliance. Tanda takes care of it all and makes it easier to be an employer. So if you've got employees, check them out at tanda.com.au. You won't regret it. No chance to say goodbye to my co-hosts as Anna Reid or anyone else I'll work with. And leading the news as you now are in Australia. Public in Ignormini, a bit of humiliation. You've been, you're out and everyone's sort of gouging on the entrails of your career as a morning host. But then a strange thing happened quite quickly, which I think I'm seeing happening with you. I started looking on social media and the worm turned very quickly to anger from viewers who really liked me on the show who were saying, this is outrageous. Why can't you have an opinion? I'm seeing the same thing with you already on social media. And this, in my case, became a big thing in the streets with cab drivers and bus drivers, tooting their support and raising their fists and so on. And it was all because it became a debate about my right to have an opinion. Yours is not over an opinion.
so much, but you're right to have anyone you want on your podcast and to ask some questions. You're a bloody journalist. Yeah. I just don't understand what channel neither thinking. Well, for me, Pierce, one element of that, the audience, right? I have had an intimate audience for 21 years and I say intimate weirdly in a television sense. It's so intimate breakfast TV as you know. Yeah. But I don't get to say goodbye to them. Right. I'm not in a public way and not in the way that they were used to. So for me, not to have that dialogue is, you know, that's upsetting for me because I must be very painful. It's painful because I love Australia, as you know, I love the audience and I work really fucking hard. Yeah, you do. And to have it kind of end like that is, you know, I'm not going to stop, you know, and I'm not going to roll up in a ball on the side of the fucking highway. I will get up and and I'll get things done and we'll move on. But those elements that are now reflecting on after two hours since I got that news is to me, you know, is the thing that is upsetting. But we roll on and we have to roll on, you know, and I think it's important that I keep campaigning and I keep driving forward. We'd free them of speech. If you don't like the way I do an interview, then don't watch it. Right. It's my style. It's my show. And I want to feature guys like Tommy Robinson because I just want to find out what it is about them. You know, what you interviewed him. Yeah. And you were going to interview me. And we couldn't be two more polar opposite people. Yeah. There will be people who don't like you platforming me. Because they may be to the conservative right and don't think I'm on their team or whatever. But they're right there is the preposterous nature of what's happened to you. You interview anybody. I've seen them. Right. You're just, and you've never been a kind of combative interview like I am. I love piling into people. But I watched the Tommy Robinson interview and I thought it was an interesting watch. Yeah. As a lot of your stuff is right. The idea that it would cross any line just by having him answer questions. I mean, it is what it is. You know, and there's no going back now. Because it's part of me that also feels free. That feels free to really, you know, really have my own freedom. What was your actual plan for the show? Because I know your contract was running out the end of the year. So remember you talking to me about it. I told nine that I was leaving the today show two or three months ago. And they said, can you give us time to, you know, get someone in, you know, to test the waters on who is going to be your replacement? So I gave them, you know, a huge chunk of time. And I don't know when they were going to announce who was going to be my replacement. So at the end of the year, I was, you know, I was going to sail off into the sunset. It would have been an enormous moment in Australian television when you left. I don't mean to be, like, smoke up your eyes as the last thing I want to do. But actually, you leaving today's show after 21 years would have been a big thing. And, you know, the conventional way these would happen. You'd have a, you'd have the Prime Minister probably, you know, maybe even on set, you know to wish you've had a little good riddance. You'd have a lot of celebrities that you know. I know you got an amazing context, but you'd have all your colleagues. You'd have the behind the scenes people. I mean, a lot of people I miss most when I left the morning show with an all the team you never see, right? And it takes an army to make these shows. And that morning show thing is a very special thing because you're all in there, like three, four o'clock in the morning. Yeah, yeah. It's an unholy hour to be amongst human beings. And so you develop quite a really intense on, don't you? So these guys, these guys who do Steadicam on the show, every single morning when I come in, they like stand up when they do the Kumbai Aar, whatever it is, the yoga pose. And it's like, hey, Dawson and Isaac. And they're like, Mr. Stefanovic, welcome. And I go, Sean, you know, it's like a funny thing. And then Abby, who's been on the show, the floor manager for 20 years, I love them so much. Right? All been there for me during the slings and arrows about Rage's fortune and misfortune, as the years go on. And you know, as well as anyone else, personal life, whatever it is you're there, and you do the job, and you roll on. But the producers at the show, just beautiful young kids, you know, and I loved working with them. I loved mentoring some of them. How have they been reacting to this? I've got so many texts and, you know, these kids are really, you know, really upset. And I just said, you know, I'm not going to dwell on that, but I said, you just go for it, enjoy your life and pretty soon, hopefully I'll be able to offer you a job. Right. I mean, it's interesting because I'm obviously, you were going to talk to me. I mean, it's so ironic, the whole thing. But you were going to talk to me about life after a morning show. But I want to ask you, how did you feel when it, because I remember seeing it when you walked off stage, and I was straight onto the phone with you, and I said, mate, I've been saying that shit about mega-mustled for a long time now, but it affected you. And I was wondering how you were because you had the press outside your house. Well, it's really, it is a really discombobulating thing. Yeah. It's almost like watching it happen to somebody else. You'll feel that, right? It's a shock, right? You would have been planning for months and months for the rest of the year, how you might leave what you might say, guess you may want to have on. It would have been the long goodbye. It would have been quite nauseating to watch from me. I think it's what that meant. It might have saved you. I'm with you. I've spent 20 years living in the city, but these ringers, Western boots, they bring me back to my roots. Years on the back of horses and out in the fields north of Cairns. You know this brand means a lot to me, built by patriotic Aussies, four Aussies who love this country. It's more than clothing, it's a lifestyle. Build for hard work on the farm and even harder work in the studio. Get 20% off your first purchase with the code
[email protected]. But you know, I remember how I felt and it was a weird thing. You know, I remember coming back home and I went for a little walk to clear my head and make a final decision because it was literally apologise to Meghan Markle or you can't come back. I was just like, I can't and I came back and I talked to my wife and I said, I'm just not going to do it. She said, so what's your turn of it? I said, that's it. And she said, what like that? I went, yeah, I like that. She said, what for just not believing Meghan Markle? I went, yeah, it's like, it's a bit like when I heard what happened to you. I was like, what for platforming Tommy Robinson who is at the centre of this enormous cultural moment in the UK over immigration and what we should do about it and so on. No, he's a divisive controversial figure who I personally don't like at all. I would have him on my show tomorrow. No, I mean, look, here's the beauty is you're going to find of life doing this when you're the boss and you own the train set. You're not going to fire yourself. I mean, you might, but you know, there's something very liberating about that. You know, I'm actually the perfect person that you can be talking to hours after you got this news because I've been right where you are. And in the moment, it is very weird and it will continue to be weird and you do get moments of real like, you know, when you think about all the people you were with. And in particular, in my case, the viewers, right, you just develop a bond of the viewers, which you would see every day when you walked out on the street. They would all be watching and they'd be like, old young, all persuasions of creeds and colours and so on. And they're all watching morning tally and you're, they wake up with you and suddenly it's gone. It's gone for you and it's gone for them. This guy in your case, four times as long as I did, how the hell you did it for 21 years. But that bond is broken irrevocably for that morning show set up for you and you don't even get a chance to say goodbye. I know that feeling. It's an awful feeling. You know, and I was just thinking then when you were talking so eloquently about it and I can go into any place around Australia from broom to cans to tazzy longsets and I walk into a pub and every time someone yells out, "Fuck and car loss! Get a beer up, yeah!" It's like, and it's like that bond for me with real Australian people is something, you know, that I don't take for granted. It's a great privilege and it really is a great honor and I just, I don't want to lose that. And that's a little bit of what I worry about is how. Have you felt emotional since you got my. I just went when I was thinking about my, just my life because she puts that with a lot of effort and I'm just like, "Oh, I'm so happy to be here with you." And it's not, you know, her finding out this stuff and having to deal with me because I'm a lot and I'm in the public eye a lot and I really do work hard and I'm a way a bit and you know. But she's so good, I'd just spoke to her then and she goes, "Please give PSG, you know, she's always crushes on you." I just love that man so much. I'm so much pervading on the standable. I said, "You should see us, you're. She got thanks for the invite." Anyway, we might have time to do it but literally the bond with the Australian people and the fact that they're going to be here with me.
and I want to be there for them now, even more so. - Yeah. - And I think they feel unheard. I think there's a lot of stuff going on and it's really a divided community now. And so I just want to get busy doing that and not think about the emotional issues. - Well, you know, it seems like I've got four kids, they're like 32 down to. - They're all tall to aunt. - My boys are big lads, big units. But they, you know, I remember my youngest when he was about three, I got fired from a daily mirror. It's been an occupational hazard for me, leaving big jobs. - How many of you at Tanzu being fired? - Well, that was a genuine firing. The second one was a apologiser who'll fire you. CNN left pretty dramatically as well. I was just been a long history. - What am I complaining about? - Exactly. I'm the perfect, a world expert, actually, of what you're going through. But I remember it led the news when I left the mirror, it was over these Iraq photos and stuff of alleged abuse and so on. And my three year old rang me, he was absolutely distraught because he was hearing I'd been fired and he thought I'd been set on fire, genuinely. And he was, I know, but he was genuinely like, really, that was the only time in that whole thing. Well, I really got emotional because my young boy thought I'd been set on fire. And what it showed me is, you know, it's a story and you're going to be front page news and all over the TV news and so on. This interview is going to go everywhere, right? And at the center of it is a human being, you and your family, right? And your friends who care about you. And you know, it's an old thing, isn't it? You find out who your friends are, but you really will. You really will. You'll be struck by people who don't contact you and you'll be equally very touched by people that do that you weren't expecting them to. I've had that a few times and it's a brilliant way of clearing out your Christmas card. Well, you know, the other thing pierced for me is I don't need anyone to feel sorry for me. You know, we've done really well and we work hard. We've got lovely staff and obviously not this yet. You'll get one. And we'll get onto that in a second. We are on the move again today. Let me tell you for the car's tevernovic show. And with me, every step of the way is revived five, specifically designed for 40 to 50-year-olds energy, muscle recovery and strength, I'm on the way in. Scientifically supported ingredients, including creatine, red knight beetroot and pomegranate, importantly for me, no caffeine, no complexities, and it tastes bloody brilliant. Let me tell you, 20% off. Code Carlos, revivefive.com.au. I'm getting back into it. 20% off. Code Carlos. But I'm very grateful for what we have and we've worked hard for it. So I don't want anyone to feel sorry for this guy who's having a mostly job on TV. But what does it say to you about a mainstream media company, channel nine, who have decided to in effect suppress your free speech? Because by deciding who you want to talk to and asking them questions, that is you exercising or write to free speech, you should be allowed to interview whoever you want. It's your job, your journalist, right? They have decided that you have to go. You have to lose a job you loved. I worked with Rupert Murder on and off throughout my career. He'd never bow to advertisers. He just wouldn't. He'd rather shoot himself. You need to have the balls, if you're in corporate life, to stand up to these, I call them the woke waste rules, who believe that cancel culture is a positive force for good, where they can destroy your career and try to. They won't. You'll go on to bigger things and we'll come to why I believe that's so passionately. You're looking at an example of someone who's got a much bigger career out of what happened. So I've been in your shoes and I know the opportunities are going to come your way. But corporate entities have to stand up to this. It is mob rule, it's pitchfork stuff. And it is outrageous. And advertisers have to stand up to it. The heads of these advertising companies, are you really comfortable that because Karl interviews, someone who some people don't like, but many other people do like, that because he interviews us, but on a private, personal podcast, nothing to do with channel nine, wasn't on television for channel nine, are you comfortable that you get bullied into putting pressure on his employer to fire him? Because I think that that is, to me, that is the root cause of the problem. If corporate life stood up to them and said we're just not going to bow to the mob, the mob disappears. But if you fuel the mob, all right, they've got your scalp from today's show. I show that you were great at doing a very popular doing. All right, whoopi do. Who wins? Your viewers don't win. Australia does it. Winner's like it's a cancel culture police state, right? But who in the end wins? Nobody. So my message to the advertisers and to the corporate bosses at channel nine and other companies like that is, for God's sake, stand up to the mob. Don't bow in this cowardly manner, because when you do, they will keep coming. And eventually everyone gets canceled. If you think about it, you could cancel everyone. I know enough stuff about every TV star on the world, probably to get them all canceled. But why would I want to do that when the viewers like watching them? What do you know about me? A lot. I'm amazed it's this they got you. To the honest, I'm right. (laughing) I mean, there's been a lot worse. Was this the only reason they cited? I think it's, yeah, I mean, I don't want to go into the legalities of it. But again, Pierce, this is how these mainstream media companies and I think free to wear particularly, if the product is becoming so beige, because they're so worried about low back from advertisers, whoever this mob is, that you end up on air with beige personalities who are so worried about. Yes! Just a bunch of pub balls. Right? I tune in, so I'm not going to name names, but I tune in, obviously, sometimes, to Morning Telly around the world. Let me put it on a global thing, right? I'm like, "For God's sake, you're supposed to wake me up and I'll send me back to sleep." That's your job, but it's actually got one job. Wake people up. That's it. And I'll be there in about 10 minutes or so and then I'll be like, "Oh, back I go." Back I go. (laughing) The morning show that sends you back to sleep. (laughing) Rise and no shine. (laughing) I make tees. I mean, anyway, I can now, for the first time in 21 years, wake up late tomorrow. Yeah. Obviously, my whole sleeping schedule is, even when I'm on holidays, is completely stuffed. But the point is I wake up early and this shows is what I think about it. Who can I get? You'll also get some interesting job offers. So when I got fired for the mirror, I drove myself home in a car that the company tried to seize as I drove it away. (laughing) And I reminded them I bought it off them three months earlier. And I got three calls on the way home. One was Ian Boatham, the triggerner, nor Boatham. So he'd come to my place in Spain, we'll play golf and get drunk for a week. You'll have a great time. I couldn't actually do it at the time, but-- Can you give him a call for me? I will. I know, beefy would love to have you out there for a week. The second mom was Marco P.O. White, the chef, who said, "Let's have a long lunch tomorrow. "We'll drink sassakaya all day and all night." And he can turn your phone off and not worry about it. And I did that, it was fantastic. I woke up after the 12 hour lunch and dinner and nearly into breakfast with no hangover, 'cause I just slept so well. And the third one was Muhammad al-Fa'ed, who himself has now been obviously canceled in absentia 'cause he's dead. And rightly, I have to be clear about that. But he rang me and said, "Don't worry, "I've got a vacancy for you to be a dormant at Harons." (laughing) And-- but I don't remember, my advice to you is, you've got this vehicle and take this for what is worth, but you can build this into something massive. You could be the biggest interviewer, media star, in Australia without ever being on actual television. And that's the thing I've discovered. When I walk around France or New York or London or Middle East now, I get more young people coming up to me. Then even when I did America's Got Talent, Britain's Got Talent, CNN every night. I get more purely from YouTube, 'cause it's a genuine global vehicle. And it's skews young. Young people just watch everything through YouTube. So you've kind of boarded the train without a ticket, but now you've got a ticket. - So how did you, Jimami, ask you? - Yeah. - I mean, I don't want you to give away your secrets. But how do you go from the idea of it and put it into practice? I mean, we've been going five months and I agree with you. I've never got more reactions from anything I've ever done before. - Yeah. - It really means something to people across, you know, not just here, but even the. - You know what it is? It's because you're authentic. And I say to people, when they want advice of doing what I'm doing, I say, "You've got to be true to yourself. "Not everyone's going to like you. "You shouldn't care. "Just be true to yourself. "Say what you think. "People are terrified of expressing themselves freely now." A terrified, the whole cancel culture, woke epidemic that swept the world, has gagged people into being too fearful to express opinions. But we live in democratic societies. Australia, the UK, America. These are places where freedom of speech should be the bedrock of our democracy. The right to listen to a view you totally disagree with but respect someone's right to have it.
or to be abusive, whatever you want. There are limitations. You shouldn't be allowed to incite violence, of course. But outside of that, this concept that me disbelieving mega-marco, or I call Pinocchio, or you platforming Tommy Robinson, that these mean we have to be fired from jobs we love. I just think he's so archaic and young people don't understand it. They're like, "What? Why?" "Why would you be five, or do you need to see it? Why would you be five, having an opinion about someone?" It's nuts. So I think you should really put the foot on the pedal now with what you're doing here and become the biggest. I mean, look, you're already an amazing, in a way like I did in the UK at the time it happened on Good Morning Brent. You've got a massive profile in your country, but you can go way outside Australia, right? So my thing to you is don't have any geographic limit. I get as many people watching me in Riyadh now, and Dubai, and Sydney, and New York and LA, and Houston, or wherever it may be, or India now as well, as I do in England, right? Because we choose topics and issues and subjects, which are global stories. And you think if you do that and you cast it well, and you talk to opinion-formers and people at the centre of your things, including the likes of Tommy Robinson, where they're appropriate, which he absolutely was, you will build a really powerful business, because I know you are what you are. There's no side to you, right? You've always been the same guy to me, always. And I'd love the authenticity. I think we see that in each other. Yeah. But you know, I've come to Can, to the Can Lions annual festival, and we announced yesterday we've just finished to invest around on Uncensored, where I was, you know, had this idea of taking my show, Peace Morgan Uncensored. It's got four and a half million subscribers now, which generates a lot of cash from advertising and sponsorships and so on. Is that the main drive of soda and tarot? Yeah. Is that the main drive of revenue? Well, yeah, but then off the back of the. I call that the YouTube channel itself like a mothership. The off the back of it you can do live shows, you can do live tours, you can have, you know, all different kinds of commercial mechanisms around your YouTube channel, the spin-offs, books, films, if you want. Whatever you want to do, right? So you take the mothership of the YouTube channel, which is where young people can see their content. And off that you commercialize it as you can. Subscription models are really lucrative for this. But I had a bigger plan, which was rather than just be about me, and you're going to be astonished when you hear this, because almost it borders on humility. (laughter) But I knew I had to build a business, which would actually in the end become much less reliant on me. So I decided to take Uncensored as the brand of the business, and we've recently launched History Uncensored with Bianca Nobolo, as a former CNN anchor, Cretabede Smart, and does great stuff with History. We then launched the Royals Uncensored with Katie Nichol and Joe Elvin and Grant Harald, a former Royal Butler, and they're doing great numbers, talking about the Royals, in a way that I would on my show, but with a little twist, because they're all expert in the area. And we just done World Cup Uncensored, we're doing it at the moment through the World Cup, with me Simon Jordan and John Terry. And that's blown up as well. We're doing bigger numbers and greater than it could show, which Netflix paid $14 million for. So we're on a roll, and the main reason is we've built up social media firepower. So I've got any nine million followers on X, millions more on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok is great for this as well. And you just use them to blow up stuff, blow up clips, blow up promos, blow up, everything. But we don't pay anyone to market our content. We do all ourselves. So we're in a good position, which we've built up over years. You're behind us in time, but you have exactly the same toolkit that I have, which is you and a brain and opinions and authenticity and a big profile in your country. Why can't you be just as big in around the world as I am? There's nothing stopping you. My mother gave me a post goal a few years ago when I was young. Teenager. And it had a hippopotamus flying with a flock of sea girls. And it had a headline, "ambition knows no bounds." All right? The only one stopping you, Carl, from becoming a global irritant is yourself. Global irritant. God, you make me laugh. Second, do I? You can see how uncensored became, will eventually become, at the moment, it's like 5%, the rest of it, 95% me, the plan, which, because the investors have valid the business, $145 million. What? US, right? Well, how many years have you been here? I've only owned it a year and a half, because it's like-- You're joking. Build it for three years with the Murdoch, obviously, when I was at Newscore and Fox. And that really helped. And they still have-- they retain a commercial interest in the advertising revenue and a couple of other things. But I own it. And I just had a vision for how uncensored could be through the Prisma YouTube, a new media network, entity, empire, if you like, right? And it's working. And people are really smart investors are buying into this, where we've got a business worth nearly $150 million in 18 months, right? Congratulations. Yeah, but I think the sky's a limit for this stuff. I think there'll be another investor around coming off the back of it. And you're going to see other people-- What do you do with the individual? Well, we're going to pull all of it into the company, obviously, to launch more verticals. So I want to launch football uncensored, crime uncensored. I want to do music uncensored, to split that down into different types of music, different types of crime. You can do health uncensored. You can do-- there's no limit to what you can do. You just have to cast it in a way that is true to your brand, which to me is smart people debating the big issues. So I recently broke my hip, right? And I read all sorts of contradictory garbage about what you should do when you break your hip. Imagine having four smart charismatic doctors who argue about what you should do when you break your hip. A hundred thousand people a year in England have a hip replacement, not all from fractures, but a hundred thousand year. Extrapolate around the world, everyone's falling over and breaking the hips or having them replaced naturally, right? Imagine if you had a show about that, how big it could be. Just take this stuff, tics around in your head. Yeah, because it's, you know, the Warren Buffett became one of the richest, most successful businessmen in history by studying people's behavior. It's all he did. So what did I do? I looked at my kids. I was like, what are they doing? How are they consuming stuff? And they're not other watch TV. They do for, like, big live events football match, whatever. But otherwise, they were watching YouTube when they felt like it. So they would watch my show the next morning and they'd say, "Dad, why did you keep trudging into a studio?" You know, my show is there in Ascarnie, Australia. And it's like, why did you keep going into a studio at eight, eight o'clock at night in the UK live, to, without breaks and stuff? None of my age group, well, ever watch a show like that. In that, and be told we have to do it at eight o'clock. I said, "Well, how do you watch it?" We watch on YouTube the next day or next week or whatever. We want to watch it, we want to watch it. And by the way, there's no limit on YouTube. Because as long as you want. So I do interviews now, we're supposed to be 20 minutes and something we've done two hours. It doesn't matter. It's my train set. If I'm interested, it's not a lot of people, but keep the train set. I did Russell Brown recently. That was wacky. Which went global, but that was nearly a two hour into. Yeah. It's supposed to be like half an hour. He's interesting. Well, that's one way I put it here. I think you still try to find that Bible verse. We called him Russell Russell. It was the Russell Russell. Where is he, Russell? He'd be going three hours, eh? Who is, apart from Russell, I mean, who's genuinely surprising for you? To interview. It's interesting. I mean, I was talking actually the other day about what I did with Michael Parkinson. Before I did Uncensored, actually, but in terms of interviews, it suddenly catch it. Because he was big in Australia. That's it. He spent half his year in Australia. And he did my life story show for ITV, which was biographical interviews. And he used to do them over two, three hours. And a lot of people, because they're talking about emotional stuff. They would get emotional. And he saw me in his dressing room before, and he would, "You won't make it, you cry, you bugger. You won't make it." I've never cried on television. And I'm not going to start now, right? Two Northern Yorkshire grit. And it was a really amazing moment, because I asked him about his dad. He was an only child. And I asked him about his father who had died 50 years before. And I said, "It's amazing to think your father died 50 years ago when he was pretty young, Michael." I said, "Do you remember the day he died?" And he said, "Yeah, I do, but I remember it really vividly." He said, "And I actually remember." And he suddenly started choking up. He said, "I remember them bringing my father's body down in the body bag and thinking how small he looked." And he'd been a minor his dad, you know? And with that, he broke down. And he sobbed uncontrollably for five minutes. Michael Parkinson, one of the toughest, critthiest Northern as you'd meet. And he was stunned. I was stunned. We had to stop filming. The audience was stunned. After as he was still like, couldn't believe what had happened to him. His son was there, Michael Judy. He couldn't believe it either. But out of it, Parkie wrote a book about his dad based on that, just like one moment. And that was an amazing thing. So I think with anyone, you know, like one interview, you, not knowing I was going to interview you, right? But I knew that probably when you talked about your family reacting to this news, that would upset you more than how you felt about it. Right? You and me are big enough and ugly enough. We know we're going to barrel through for your loved ones who've been there morning, noon, and night living there. As you said, the slings and arrows, it's much tougher. And you know, I remember getting upset for them like you did, right? But I think that, I think with interviews, you just have to let people, you have to let people talk. And the beauty of this medium is there's no, you have to put a time limit.
on it, you can talk as long as you want. I think it's like two guys meeting in a bar. If we were in a bar, we'd have the same conversation. - But we'd have a beer. - We'd have a beer. And you'd probably be saying a few more scathing things about Channel Nine executives. - No, very disaffirmative. I don't know why. And I don't wanna, I tell you one thing, Peas. - Just on a procedural point. Are they gonna honor the rest of your contract? I don't know. - No, we're working that out, working that out. - Right. - Would you like it to end amicably, not a standstill? - Not a fair two. You know, I thought these guys are actually so cool. You know, they're allowing the interviews to happen. And maybe this is the start of a wave of finally free to air going, you know what? This stuff is interesting and it's drawing more audience in. So maybe I was just completely an ugly ignorant and a different type of the way. - You're right. And they are very naive about not realizing it. I think too many of these media executives in conventional mainstream media, they fear this kind of thing. 'Cause they think it threatens their business model. Actually what they should be doing is pivoting to this stuff as their business model. This is the future. And if it, all right, it's a bit like, I always use the equation. We used to ride around on penny-farthing bikes. Remember the ones with the big wheels at the back and the little one at the front? And now we move around on motorbikes, right? Which go 100 miles an hour. It's doing the same thing. So the motorbike doesn't threaten the penny-farthing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Right, this kind of thing. - People like me and you saying what we really feel on YouTube will in three or four years be way bigger. In my case, it already is way bigger than most of the network equivalent shows, right? And you'll find the same. And suddenly they'll be thinking, well, why don't we flip our business model into having carlers, the star of our new digital business, right? That's what I would do. - Well, and I think along with that, for me personally, like on this particular day when I'm just found out, I'm already saying that I don't want this to define me in any way. I don't want to be so present in my life that I'm consumed by bitterness and anger. - But you're gonna be in an igloo on a holiday, right? With a couple of Eskimos. And. - How'd you know? - Someone's gonna pop up out of nowhere wearing a big coat and say, oh, miss you, I'm bloody breakfast TV, Carl. And that would be in 20 years. It happens to me every single thing I get mentioned more, I think is Australians saying, mate, you and Brett Lee, gutsy as thing I would say. - Well, mate, you know, I face things too. I was saying shocking. But also my friend, you know, the whole Arsenal experience. I mean, every single morning, because I do love you. But every single morning, as you got closer and closer and closer, I was like, oh my God, I'm just curious, Morgan is gonna be so tragically insufferable. Every time I ask the word. - And I'm delighted to say I was. - And then you're on the way back in the play. - I know, mate. What is. You are a funny guy like how is it that it came to pass that you don't seem to give a shit about saying to everyone, this is what I. - I don't understand why people do give a shit. What? What? Strangely singular. - Yeah. - Because I care what my mum thinks of me. I care what my dad thinks of you. - And she doesn't think you're a wanker sometimes? - She would never use that word. (laughing) But she can give me a frown occasionally, which is just I'm edging perilously close. - But you know what I mean, there's a. - Yeah, but I think, look, look, when you've got nine million followers on X, or just under as I have, you can imagine the crap that comes through all day long, right? If you were a shrinking violet or had a thin skin, it would be a nightmare. I just look for people who can't spell. (laughing) And I correct their spelling or their grammar. And it drives them not, I mean, I had a guy yesterday. And he said about me, it was me and Chris John or Ronaldo and I was supporting Chris John. It was a great made of mine. And everyone was writing him off. I was loving it because I knew what he'd do. And I was texting him. I said, you know what to do, legend. Just do your normal thing. When everyone's writing you off, it says you're a washed up husband, just banging a couple of bangers. And it's the ultimate two fingers. Exactly what he did. And someone replied to me on X to one of my gloating tweets when he scored two goals last night. And he just said, you and Cristiano, what a pair of bellens, right? So I looked at his profile pick. So I said, I said, me, if I had a profile pick like yours, I would not play the bell in cards. Anyway, I checked the small one when I woke up and his accounts been deleted. (laughing) I suspect quite a few million people were calling him bell-end. So it's a bit like Trump with Kim Jong-un when they were talking about the size of their rockets. Yeah, Trump was like, my rocket's bigger than your rocket. So I've got no problem. People want you want to start a fight with me on social media, but it is not going to end well for you. Can I ask you a couple of, I mean, that's one thing you climb into it. You don't shy away from it. I think you have to. Does it ever affect you? No. Yeah. Genuinely. People think it must do, but it doesn't. I don't give a shit. And in fact, I'd like to wake up with a bit of antagonism. I wake up to someone calling me a bell-end. It's like, game on. All right, let's have the bell-end conversation, shall we? I'm under the profile pit like he did. Happy days. But I think I'm a bit more confrontational than you are by nature, a bit more combative by nature, my personality. I'm incredibly competitive. My sons are exactly the same. You know, my family is exactly the same. I come from a gigantic family. And they're all incredibly competitive. I'm also the least opinion they did member of my time. Get out. And there's over under them. What's-- What would Christmas be like? Oh, I mean, off the charts. I mean, bottles go flying, it's like. Yeah. My army brother, my sister, my-- I mean, all of it. It all kicks off. But we all love each other. But it's Mayhem. And I think that because of that-- because I grew up in that environment, I was being thrown out my local pub, and I was 16 to be nominated. Mary, the landed with throwing it out. I must go and beg in the next morning to be allowed back in. And I always love that. I love the battle. Yeah. To me, life is a battle, right? It's a bit like the Rocky Balboa speech to his son in the sixth movie. When he finally has it out with his spoiled brat son in the-- and he's out in the street. Because life is tough, and it will beat you down if you let it. And he said, and it's not about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit, get back up, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. And it was quite funny because when I broke my hip at the start of the year, I was lying in hospital in total agony, I'm fraction of my family. How did you-- how did you-- I tripped on a step at a restaurant. We had sober. Yeah. If I'd been pissed at the surgeon sent to me, how'd you had a few drinks? You'd have fallen slower and probably rolled, and you would have been fine. It's the fact you had a couple of coffees, meant you were like a little li-blier. So as you hit the dead-ass-- He stepped up. Mr. Step, Mr. Dead-ass, I mean, just slightly tensing your body, and then bang! And the feme is the biggest hardest bone you have in your body. And I fractured the whole neck of the feme. So I was in agony. On more feme, all over the place. And my three sons come to see me, no, you know, Dad, we've got something to say to you. I said, because I've read them at Rocky's speech for years. They said, Dad, it's not how hard you can hit. It's how hard you can get here. Get back up and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done, Dad. Now we're going to see, oh, wait. And I was like, you know what, I needed that, because you start to feel a bit sorry of yourself lying in hospital. Well, I tend to be texting you, and you get straight back. And that is, you know, I was worried about you, because I know what it's like to be in a confined space. Well, fortunately, Brent Lee did help me in dealing with broken bones. Yeah. He very kindly rearranged my rib cage. And then hit the broken rib with the fourth delivery. And came running down and went, oh, mate, you hear that one crack? I've been going, I've been going, psycho. You mentioned before, Pierce, you'd be surprised about the people that reach out. You are one of those people. And I want to thank you at this time of my life for being part of my life genuinely for the message that you sent me before. I mean, is everything all right with this Tommy Rob? That's tough. You were not really shocked. And I only realized, I hope I see you later. I said, mate, don't worry about it. I'll be there. I'm the world expert of this stuff. But no, we never get this interesting, because, you know, people, I've had times of my life where people in my situation would have just canceled. They'd go, oh, that's a big toxic. Oh, yeah, I'm a like it, but not that much. I think I'll swear this one and go down the pub, right? Wouldn't cross my mind, because I know how important it is when you have a moment like this that you may stand up for you. And you're going to feel that really strongly. My bet is by the end of this week, Australia will be completely united behind you. And they'll think this is a, I hope. Knowing Australians as I do, they will think this is an outrageous way to treat a guy who has done nothing wrong, who's been there on TV every morning for 20 years, doing his best to entertain and inform and educate the country. And this is how he gets treated after two decades of loyal service. He gets absolutely shafted for doing his job. It's all you did. You platform somebody in the news, and you talk to them. I'll ask some questions in what was an interesting interview. And the fact that you've been shafted for that is an outrage. And the Australian public will know it's an outrage. And they will rally behind you. And by the end of the week, those bosses at Channel 9 and those advertisers who bow to the mob are going to all regret it. And then they're going to beg you to come back. And then your answer should be the same as mine. Go fuck yourself. What a great way to end the interview. I love you, man. Cheers. Cheers. 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