Phil Hanley's life as a dyslexic wordsmith | Whiskey Ginger

Welcome back to Whiskey Ginger, a wave series. Well, ladies and germs, I'm on the road tonight. I'm in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, Canada. Show up to your boy right across the river from Detroit. Hop on over and come see me at Caesars tomorrow. I'm at Wind Creek in Bethlehem. Then I'm at the Hall at Live in Hanover, Maryland. Then I go to Atlantic City, the Borgada down there in Atlantic City. And I come back to Southern California. I play Valley Center. Heras down there that's near San Diego, San Diego, come out and see me. Then for Lovers Day, February 14th, I'm in Canyonville, Oregon at Seven Feathers. Then me and Bobby do a bad friends and Lincoln, California up by Sacramento. Then of course they do the Winkasino and March come see me Las Vegas, Viva Baby. Then I'm at the Little Rody Fest out there in Providence, Rhode Island. The end of March come see me at Andrew Santino.com. Once again, that's Andrew Santino.com. In here we pour whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk. Oh, that creature in the ginger beard. Sturdy, ginger. Like that, hares. The ginger gene is cooked. Ginger is a fugitive. You only five dollars for the whiskey. 75 dollars for the whole. Ginger's our hell now. This whiskey gives excellent. Ginger, I like ginger. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest today is one of my favorite people in North, I said that for all my guests, but I mean, once again, today it's Phil Hanley. Phil Hanley's on the pod today. By the way, he's got a new book out for the kids that need to know that want to know spellbound. His life is a dyslexic word, Smith. One of the best comics working today. A guy I've known for quite a long time. Thank you. Where do we meet? We met. I want to say we did. Do we do half hours together? No. No, we didn't. I don't know. I thought we met at the seller. Yeah, we most of. Yeah, but you were so cool right from the the jump. Yeah, as soon as we met. We got a lot more in common than you think, by the way, I do notice that you're a deadhead. I do know that from the. Yeah, than my lifeblood. You really are, huh? Yeah. Have you gone to a bunch of these new shows or you're not into dead and company? I go, like, it's a celebration of the music. So I'm into it. But, um, yeah, I don't if I'm listening, like, I was listening to the dead on the way here, I would listen to the dead like you don't you don't you like the idea of dead and company because of what it is, but it's not. I love it. I love it. And I've probably seen dead and company like maybe 25 or 30 times. I've seen them live. Okay. So you're in. Yeah. But it's yeah, it's, you know, it's great. But I got to see Jerry. Yeah. And that is. That's the big difference. Well, it's it's yeah, he was just like you know, you get to if you're lucky, you get to see like he was just such a phenomenal musician that you can't even like I could get I could get all ahead of you for like a full hour to talk about it. But it's like actual liftoff. Yeah. Like you there, there when he's playing, uh, there were times and I was young, but there would be times where everyone in the like arena would exhale at the same time because everyone was so focused on just him and his solo and the final note would hit and everyone would exhale at the same time. It's so fucking crazy. It's so crazy and you get it because like there would be at the dead at one point, 10,000 people would follow the dead. That's 10,000 people are like, I'm not going to have a place. I'm going to follow the grateful dead. I'm going to raise my family. I think he grew up on the lot and, uh, and, uh, his name's McCone and his brothers names are, uh, uh, uh, Bobby and Jerry. No, what's what's the first, the first letter? S and F. Yeah, Shamus and, uh, Finnegett, Flannery, Flannery, Flannery, Flannery, Flannery. What? Combine them. Flannigan. Flannigan. Are you the youngest? McCone? I'm the oldest. Holy shit. They, they, uh, McCone, they're the gates. Yeah, they swung hard. Yeah. His parents are, uh, eternal free spirits. Uh, okay. Eternal Irish free spirits. Yeah. But yes, dude, you, you, you, so I do get that, but I love, I don't get me wrong. I love dead and cold and, um, I mean, I love the dead for so long and sometimes you have just human nature and it's awful, but you have like kind of gatekeepers stuff or whatever. For me, I'm like more people, more people like people like, I'll have like old dead head friends, they're like, oh, the dead are doing golf clubs. I'm like, have them do microphone stands. I'm like, these dudes deserve to make dough while they're alive and every time I see a steely or a deady bear, whatever, it puts a smile on my face. It's a good, see, that's a good attitude. And that's the attitude that you should have. I get the other like, I, I heard him first or they're my band or the ownership thing. The dead belonged to everybody. And that's good. And I really think it, they make, if, and it's, it's, it's so dense, you can, you can just listen to American beauty or you can fucking go so deep. They played, you know, over 2000 shows and they're all on tape. And you can listen to them and you can talk about each one and you can write about each one and read about each one. It's amazing. It's deep, very deep. It's very deep. I've got down miniature rabbit holes. Have you gotten to meet any of these men? Uh, my, I, I want to meet, Bob, where I've, no, I've met like, it's like, there's a dead lyric. I shook the hands that shook the hands. I've shaken the hands that have shaken a lot of the hands. That's cool. And I have, if you go to my Instagram, I have these people, there's these dudes, these collectors, these really cool guys that will buy their instruments and they'll bring, I was in San Diego a couple of weeks ago. And a guy brought filletious bass and Jerry's guitar from kind of one of their like best periods from the 70s. Yeah. And, uh, from like the kind of mid to late 70s. So they both these guitars knew each other from on stage. And it was, it was crazy. And I have, I had a guy in Chicago give me one of Jerry's picks. Um, he bought a good Jerry guitar and the, in the case was a pick. And he gave it to me. How much was that for? These dudes, these dudes are spent a lot of money on these guitars. That's got to be hundreds of thousands of them. Yeah. I mean, their instruments are crazy. I mean, the main Jerry's main guitars or would be this guy that I met in San Diego is the only non-billionaire that owns one of Jerry's main guitars. And then he, you know, he had tons of guitars over the years, but they're a main. I'm surprised they're not like in a museum somewhere. Well, a lot of this one, yeah, a lot of them will be in the rock and roll of fame. Yeah. It was a guy who owned the, uh, Indiana Colts. He had a couple of them and he would play that. Uh, that's right. He's a huge dead head. Yeah. Not Urse. Is it Jim Urse? Am I wrong? Look that up. Indianapolis Colts. Jim Urse or is that wrong? I know the guitar is not the guy. Carlisle Gordon. Um, maybe I'm wrong. I thought it was Jim Urse. That sounds familiar, but in Urse and he would play the same Gordon Carlisle. Yeah, but they, but I knew he's a huge dead head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And collects all that. Yeah. So it, yeah. But the guy gave me the Jerry pick and I was, it was him and his wife. He's a really cool dude. He lives in Chicago and I just can't, I couldn't keep it together. He like gave me a bag full of stuff and there was all these like cool shit and then there was like a pick and I picked it up and I tried to say Jerry touched this and I just got real emotional. That's cool. And the same thing happened the guy gave me a pick from Phil Lash a couple weeks ago. And I tried, there's certain things I just can't play it cool. But where, where is that pick? It's both, both picks are at my place and framed somewhere. They will be, they're in some, they're in something special. They, they're in a special place, but they will be. Don't say it in case you get robbed. Yeah. Imagine some dude comes just to rob you for that. They don't want anything else but that. I would love to get it. I mean, not ultimately, I would love to get like a, you know, a historical piece of dead stuff like that. But the big thing is just, yeah, beginning to go there. But no, so I love dead and calm. People should go see dead and calm. Yeah. I've seen him a couple of times. They're great. You could be mad if I've said hello to Bob Weir, but never anything more than that. Oh, don't, don't get mad. No, well, I didn't deserve it. It's always someone that doesn't deserve it. They gets the access to be like, he like walked by. I was like, hey, man. Oh, heavy. He was like, hey, man. And I was like, cool. Like, that's it. I, as fast as I could get away from don't spend more than five tenths of a second. In case he goes, what do you want? But you know, I mean, I don't want to get the fuck away from me. I talk about Bobby in my book. I thought it's mostly about my life as a dyslexic, but Bobby, Bob Weir's dyslexic. Yeah. And when I was a kid and found out that he was dyslexic, it just kind of made it even better. It just made it. Well, I mean, it wasn't good up until that point, but it did help. Yeah. Because when you're a kid, everyone's like, Tom Cruise is dyslexic and you're like, oh, I'll be fucking in top gun. What is that? How you are a Scientologist now? So that did work out your favor. That's a parallel. But no, so in, yeah, so, but when I found out and Bob Weir is such a unique approach to music and just, I mean, you watch him play, I'll bring a guitar player to a dead show and they'll be like, what is he doing? Because he's like playing a G here and G there, G that you don't know me. Yeah, and going to our players get a little, uh, they're just like, what does he do? He is such a unique approach and the songs that he wrote that like timing and stuff like that is crazy. Yeah, he's the man. And this you wrote about him in here because well, how old were you when you when I found it as a dyslexic six. Yeah, it was rough, dude. But that's the thing that people can't bully you for visually. They don't know. I had read fucking hair, man. Yeah. Yeah, that one was a pretty easy target to shoot at. Yeah, especially when you're skinny with big ears. My grandfather used to be like, you look like a taxi cab coming on the road with his doors open. That hurts. Yeah, that is a child. Your grandfather being like, look at how fucking dumb you look. Yeah. So not to down this, but fuck me, dude. When it's physical, you're like, God, I can't get away from this shit. That's true. But people only knew if you told them. Well, they knew when you were getting dropped off of the show bus at school or they knew when you were in special ed or they knew when you were like taken out of class to like practice reading or when you got like, like kindergarten was like so good. And then they like, first grade, it was like day one, - Mine, you're just like. Oh, yeah. - So is heavy trauma for you as a kid? - I think it is for kids in neurodiversity. I'm sorry that that happened with the red hair. - Oh, brother, I'm teasing. I don't give a fuck at all. I became a comedian, it worked. - Yeah, is that what you did? - I think you need to bully more kids into feeling bad about their insecurities, and then they get stronger. They use it as, it's like their super power underneath. - That's what I talk about. My main thing, like my mission in life, is to get people to listen to early 70s dead. - No, that's working, yeah, that's so far, that's working. - All right, no, to, I talk about a lot, and I talk about on stage, and I meet a lot of parents of dyslexia kids coming to my shows, and special ed teachers, and dyslexia kids pulling dead heads. Kind of the coolest group, I love it when people come. But the main thing that I say to parents of dyslexia kids, and kids that are neurodiversity, is like you have to maintain their self-esteem. - Yeah. - And if you do, they, when they finish school, it's just not designed for us. No, it's just, that's just the way that peanuts aren't designed for people with peanut allergies. Like you just can't do it. But if you maintain their self-esteem, when they get out, it's like just a coiled spring, 'cause it's like, they have grit. Like everything you want to instill in a kid, you get that if you're neurodiverse. - Sure. - Like tenacity, just being able to like never give up, except, you know, how difficult things are, and stuff like that. - And also knowing you're not alone. There's other people that have their own little pickups. - Yeah, exactly, but you do feel, you're the only kid in the class that gets zero every task. Like you do feel, like the reason I wrote my book was years ago, I read, or my mom read me, no. I read a book about dyslexia, and I was like, holy shit, 'cause you are the only one in the clock. Even in special ed, it's like a kind of a mixed bag of kids with challenges, you know what I mean? - Sure. - But you were, you felt like maybe you were the chosen one. - No, no, you just, but yeah, so anyways, that's why I wrote, 'cause you feel very isolated, and then you, when you realize other people are experiencing the exact same fucking thing. - Yeah, that's cool. - And it never stops. When I was in the Uber today, the chances of me typing in the address to your studio, like one thing wrong, and I don't know LA, so Kris and I'm like, I think we're going to Burbank. I have no idea, but easily I could put, I could think I'm putting in your address, and I could put in like whatever. - Yeah, something opposite. - Yeah, but you, but now, you know, you've kind of utilized, it is funny. I mean, the title is wonderful as well. This is my life as a dyslexia of wordsmith. This is very funny, 'cause you're a great comic, and you're, you know, to have a job as a orator to speak for a living. - Yeah. - The irony is staggeringly beautiful. - Well. - It's kind of like, because the words up here are wack, it's different than that, but it this works so well. - Well, yeah, because, yeah, 'cause it, that was just school, you're so stifling, you wouldn't know what was going down, and then recess would hit, and I think that was really just like, "You know what I mean, Johnny's calling me out." - Yeah, well, I think like you said something powerful as a school wasn't built for either way, peanuts aren't built for people with the peanut allergy. But like school, I, you know, and maybe this is very heavy handed position, but I don't think traditional school is built for most people. I argued that like, like I had a terrible time in school, I was a really bad student. - Yeah. - Not 'cause I was stupid. It was 'cause it was boring, and it's completely, I was so not interested. - Yeah. - That I was like, "This doesn't do anything for me. I don't like it, it doesn't feel good. I feel really vulnerable and anxious, and I don't think it's using any of the things that I like." So, you know, the thing back in the fucking 90s, when, you know, 'cause we're the same age, I feel like we're in your 40s. - I think we're the same age. I might be a little younger. - Back in the back. - More section experience, but a little younger. - That is a fucking fact. I'll tell you, I can see it in your pants right now. Kid is bulging on camera. Back in the 90s teachers used to go, your son is a bad kid, he's a bad student, and, you know, he's very disruptive and dotted on it, and thankfully my mom, who is like the most badass bitch on earth, was like, perhaps what you're teaching him is an interesting to him. Like, perhaps he's just not engaged. - Yeah. - And your job is to be engaging in not just follow a curriculum, which I think nowadays is different. This is 40 years later. - Yeah. - But when I was a kid-- - I don't know how different it is. - Well, maybe not. But there's more options now. - Now there's options, yeah. - You can send your kid to other kinds of schools, but back then, it's public school. I mean, I'm public school kids. - Yeah, me too. - Get in there and learn the thing. - Yeah. - And don't disrespect Mrs. Rose, 'cause I'll beat your fucking ass. - Yeah, that was, some kids, that was the attitude, their parents had, and some-- - Dude, mine was, that was it. You do the thing? - And shut up. And then once my mom learned I had something else going on, she turned to my side a little bit, 'cause she was like, oh, this must be hard for him, because he's not interested. - No. - He's completely disconnect. - Which is the sign of someone that's more intelligent than me. - Or someone that's just unique. I just, maybe, not, I don't know if I'm smarter, or I was just, those weren't the functions I enjoyed work. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - Those synapses weren't firing over there. - Yeah. - I could meet kids that could read a book and literally peel apart all the important parts. - Yeah. - And regurgitate it back. I could read the same thing five times. And be like, fuck, I gotta read it again. And I still didn't get any of it. - Yeah, and it's just so, I mean, it wasn't that long ago. Clearly, there's, you can see if a kid's smart or not. It doesn't have anything to do with their social study test. - No, no, no, it's all bullshit. - They memorized metamorphic rock or whatever the shit. That you know, we know that. You knew that, man. - You knew that. - You felt it. - But they still went through that charade and I just got so lucky, my mom would go in. They tried to fail me every single year. Every year, they'd say I was stupid, they would say. And my mom would go in just like, just calm and negotiate. And then I would go home and my dad would be like, you're a goddamn smarter than that, like you don't mean like. So I had kind of like a good cop, bad cop kind of kind of thing. - Are your parents still together? - Yes. - Yeah, I can tell. - Oh really? - Yeah, Canadians, man, they're solid, wholesome people. These people are good people at their core. - Canada? - Yeah, they love each other, your parents. They're still hooking up. I bet your parents still bone today. - I, well, I mean, that's something I can't-- - Call them, ask them. - That's not mine, ask them after the podcast. (laughing) - I like how he was like, dude, after, I don't know. I will, but not right now. - Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, I mean, I love Canada. - You had a wholesome growing up. - Yeah, I mean, both my parents are very good people in their area. - Are they still working or they're retired now? - They're retired now, yeah. - Isn't that nice? You're gonna become their parent, you know? - That's on the right. - They live in, I grew up in kind of a suburb of Toronto, kind of like a, actually a big hockey town, but kind of like not like a cultural epicenter. But then my parents at some point retired and moved to Vancouver, so yeah. - So they live in kind of the ultimate place for parents to live? - West coasters. - Yeah. - And went from East coasters to West coasters. Now, are they still leafs fans over there? - No, they changed hands. - All right, no, my family wasn't like huge hockey fans, but yeah, but I am. - Which seems pretty antithetical for a Canadian. - My dad's a big, he's a big Notre Dame fan, a big college football fan. But like, it's odd for a Canadian, but he's like, I remember being a kid and I'd be coming home like, bombed. And my dad would be like, on the driveway with the transistor radio, trying to get like the Notre Dame, before they had like an NBC contract, whatever. So it's odd for a Canadian. - Why Notre Dame? - 'Cause he was taught by Catholic priests and they were Notre Dame fans, and he's just like a lifelong. - It's funny. - Yeah. - Midwest as a Chicago kid, because you know that's our neighbor down there. - Yeah. - We, you're either kind of groomed to love them or to hate them as a kid. - What did you do? - I bet you can tell which one I'm just, by the way I'm talking about. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It just was never, it was either like you grew, and the most offensive thing was because we're Irish, and we come from like Irish family. And Irish Catholics, they're always like, you love Notre Dame, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Fuck you. I hated that people like put it on us a little bit. - Yeah. - So I think part of my hatred was the, there was so much of it in Chicago, like everybody loved Notre Dame. - Yeah. - And I was just so like, yeah, fucking Rudy Stinks. - It was sick. - Rudy Stinks, it's not a real story. It's like bothered me for some reason. I don't know why. I get it, I get the lore of why people, it's got a lot of that juice to it, that tastes good. - But I was just anything that was growing up, if you saw someone wearing a Notre Dame shirt in like Oshawa, Ontario, you'd be like, I'd tell my dad that night of like, yeah, I was wearing a Notre Dame. Like it was so rare, but anytime something's forced down my throat. - Oh, I hated it. - I didn't like it, I grew up, I was a hockey fan, but I wasn't a leaf fan because everyone was a leaf fan. - I just got into them later in life, just like that. - You're a Winnipeg Jets fan, honey, the other way. - I like the rain, I always love New York, so I like the rain. - You're so close, yeah. - You guys are like, you can adopt the New York team. - Yeah. - You're allowed to. - Yeah. - Have you ever been to, see that's funny, 'cause any Canadian I know, there's a lot of good Canadians in my life. Football, it's a rare one for American football, but. - Especially college football. - College football, even more specific. Well like, CFL, I went to a CFL game one time, and I was like, I do understand why they don't really love pro football. It's not wild, the field is like round. - Totally different. - Where did it feel so wide? - It's a different size, yeah. It's a little strange. I mean, still fun. I went to go see Edmonton Eskimos. We did a whole, I did a sports show in it. They were like, go watch Eskimos game. And we went, and it was cool, but I was also like, the level of play in the United States, professional football, it's like, oh my god. It's unbelievable, the difference is insane. It looks like high school to pro. I mean, it's, yeah. I was, yeah, I was in the CFL fight. We'd go to games when I was a kid and stuff like that. And it was fun. - 'Cause the tickets were probably like six bucks. - Yeah, tickets were probably inexpensive. I wasn't buying them at the time, but yeah. - Oh, no. - You were purchasing tickets from the other location. - No, no, but next time, when I go home, Christmas. I'll be throwing out in the parking lot, man. You got a hustle. You got to get out there and fucking like the old barking days in New York. When did you move to New York to do stand-up? Uh, probably about 12 years ago. I missed all the barking stuff. I had actually done a little bit of like American TV and stuff before I moved to New York. That's even better, man. Yes, so I missed all the barking shit. I walked by them every night. So you see New York East Coasters bark for people that at home like they, you know, guys will stand out on the corner and comedy show, comedy show. It's a thing that a lot of young comics have to do. And then the West Coast guys, we don't bark because there's no walk. We have no street traffic, foot traffic. So for the West Coast guys, we have a lot of bringer shows when you're young. You have to get illicit all the people in your office or your day job to come see you at night. The last people you want to see you. Well, but you're like, I need this because they only let me on if I bring three people. It's disgusting. It's such a scam. It's so gross. I started, but so I had done, I had done like some stuff in Canada and I had done some like, uh, did Crink Ferguson a couple of times and I thought I had tried it and I arrived in New York and they were like, yeah, we don't get like, so I was, I was, I was just above barking. I arrived and I was closing the show. Everyone else would had to bark. And then I, they, I got to go on at the end, but it was, it was, uh, those shows are so rough. It was a place called the World Cafe above Broadway. Like I was dying to get a spot at Broadway. I was in like the cafe and the people that would sit on the stage. So I, it's like, there's one thing you do at Chexbos and the thing to be like in the crowd during the Chexbos. People are working the thing and they're like, just the level of respect where there was something wrong. I had people be like, hey, uh, you know what I mean? I'm like, you're like, I didn't have a shard night. That was that table. How does shard night? Can you have a bit about that? And I'm like, I fucking moved here. I like ended a relationship with my girlfriend. I'm not watching my nephew grow up because I'm fucking in New York City. Yeah. Uh, it's working now. But don't you feel good now? I do. I, I, I, yeah, I feel, I feel good now. You sure? Yeah, you sure. Would you stay? Are you going to stay in New York? You think or no? I think so. Like I, I love New York. It's so funny. I was thinking when I on the drive here, I was like, it's so weird how LA in New York. It's like, it's just so 50, they've such strong things for both things. Yeah. Well, I mean, we like it because it's easy and quiet and you kind of can just disappear out of here. Yeah. You can't really disappear in New York. No, you could try. Yeah. It's tough. I have tried. I've moved. I lived, I lived, I moved. So I'd be walking just from the seller. I was a 15 minute walk in the village. Oh, yeah. Forever. And then I just this year, I moved to Brooklyn and it feels, I feel like I'm in like a new little town. You are. And you can kind of get away a little bit more. But when you're in Manhattan, it's like, dude, you're fucking, you're drowning in humans. You're drowning in everyone else's emotions and thoughts. And here, dude, I go to my little fucking getaway and I've got these. I don't talk to anybody. Yeah. I go to my little nook and I hide out with my dog and my wife. But I get it's, it's whatever suits you. But it's like nowadays LA's quieter than ever. So when I do go to New York, I get excited to go spend a week or two there because I'm like, this is more quiet now because the business has kind of dissipated a little bit and things aren't really the same in LA. It's funny that now. I feel it. This is the move. I feel like LA. This is the time to move to LA. Should I would argue this definitely the time to move. I mean, we're definitely going to have an economic collapse here any day now, knock on some wood. Let's go, baby. Government's going to fuck everything up. It's already ruined. I mean, my as well, let the bottom fall out. You know, the rock is coming at us. Let's hope it hits. Yeah. Let's hope. Dude, it's coming. No, I think now might be the time to move to LA. I'll move out. You move in. You want my place? Would you move out? Where would you go? I've got a couple of places on the map that I've darted. Really? What do you think I'm going to end up going after all this time? Colorado. Colorado feels like the one. Yeah, I do feel like Colorado. I had a flight home like an early flight leaving Colorado and I bumped into Rory. Yeah, I love Rory. I mean, so fucking great. But sorry, I swear a lot on this podcast. I told him. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. My grandmother edits it. So she will go. Bad boys. Bad boys. No, I'm sorry. No, no. I'm excited. I've been wanting to do this. No, dude. You're good. No, Rory. You ran into Rory. Yeah. And he lives at the airport. Yeah, at the airport. He lives in Denver. And I'm like, wow, he seems quite chipper. I get because you can kind of do that now. I think Colorado. I don't know. And I miss, I mean, I just, I miss Canada. I'm a brand new American citizen. It's been two weeks. I know we're just going to say don't come after him. I know Isis also watching. He's one of us now, dude. As of how many weeks? Two weeks. Two weeks. And do you have to take that dumb test that we don't even know how to do? Uh, dude, I take, like, from when I was a kid, when we would cross the border, it was such a, like, my dad would start, like advising us what to say and what to do. You was like a big deal, right? The cross the border and like, you got to say how much stuff you, how much money you spend, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like so intense about things to do with the US government that I studied for that test. I was getting 100%. 100 questions. And I have a crippling learning disability. I read about it. And that you will read it. Yeah, I will. And, uh, I was getting 100 out of 100. I worked on it for months. And then they asked me six questions. I got the first six questions right. And then they moved on. Oh, no. But 100 like, like, who, who was president during World War One? Uh, World War One would have been get chemist on the phone. Damn, dude. He wouldn't know. Woody? Yeah, he's a history major. Uh, World War One was, uh, give me the first initial W. Yeah, it was Woodrow Wilson. Yeah, yeah. I didn't think it was, you know, it's so funny. My instinct was Woodrow Wilson. But then I bailed on it. You know, when you like your brain goes, don't, that's wrong. Don't say it. Yeah. Yeah. Like I literally said, in my mind, you're right. And then afterwards, like, blah, blah. I know I shouldn't have bailed. That's why I'd be so bad. I'm one of those, uh, unlike, uh, on jeopardy. Yeah. Well, we did, we played jeopardy the other night and we fucking stunk. Yeah. Because your, your instinct is probably right. Yeah. But you always go, Oh, that's an idiot. Don't say that. Yeah. Yeah. That's completely right. We did that like five times where we guys playing. We did it here in the studio for fun. Oh, good. But we were all in the negative because your instinct, you always second guess because you think, well, jeopardy's got to have a curve. It's got to be, you know, it's like, well, that's what every moron would say. Yeah. I have a hard one. Who was the president after grant? That was another test. As you list us as Grant, who was second, who was after him term 1877, 1881, uh, after grant was, I didn't even give you the initials, our age. Oh, Ryan, uh, is it Ryan? Is it president Ryan? In the 1800s, they've Ryan. No, wait, our age. Reginald, Ronald. I don't even know if you'll get the first name. Remy. No. Wait a minute. Our age. Hammond is the last name. No. Harland Hangen. Hang now. Hang now. Hang now. Hang now. Reginald Hangen. Ryan Hangen. What is his name? Ruth the bird. Be Hayes. Oh, Ruth the bird. Hayes. Oh, I never he was the guy that died in the tub. I never heard about that. Was it was not Taft? Taft died in the tub. That's, that's got to be the coolest guy to die in the tub. The president died in a tub is so rock and roll to me. He was fucking eating. You know, he had gout. He was all like slovenly and gross. Was it, was it a heart attack? Yeah. So I guess he didn't, he guess he didn't die. He didn't die. Yeah. He had a heart attack in the tub. Uh, it's a fable. Oh, so he's okay. He's your tub. Oh god. Why do we all think he died in the tub? I, I, I, I've only heard you say. Oh, no, I guess he, I guess the myth was also he got stuck in it. He didn't die in it also. Was he a larger fella? He was a big, he was a fat hog. Oh, right. Are you a big history buff outside? I don't know. No, but I just learned I just learned the hundred questions. And I'm really happy by the hundred questions. But if someone goes like this grant question, which I thought was kind of enough, it was kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's not like bullshit. That was really hard. Hey, man, turn your fucking mic off. You're not on the show. Okay, you're, you're, look at me. You're pissing me right off. But you know that. He does this all the time. He's my son. I raised him for how many years have I raised you? Three, three years, two and a half. And I shook his father's hand when I taped my special Minnesota where he's from. Oh, really? And I shook his father's hand because I had met him before. Yeah. But I said, you know, it's a pleasure to be a second dad to your son. And he was like so emotional. I was like, Oh, thank you for taking care of him. Because when he moved out here, you know, they were afraid he was going to get drugs and hookers and, uh, well, some of that's true. But I protected him. Oh, that's great. Because we don't, I don't have children. We can't have kids. So he's been my adopted son. Oh, really? Yeah. I do this now. I'm learning. I think this is a revelation. I've had the past couple of years that I'm like, what if I just make people in my life, my family and help them in whatever it is? Yeah. Not saying like pay for their life or whatever, or they'll pay for your life. Yeah. Usually. But like, you know, how do I, how do I, I'm writing about it a lot on stage right now about how it's like this weird time when people are like, you know, are you married? Yeah. You know, you have kids and you know, and then it's this whole next chunk of bullshit of like, what is that? Inquisitive nonsense. It's so personal. Well, it's nobody's fucking busy. Yeah. But, you know, I read a couple jokes about it as throwaways, but the truth really is, I did, it did kind of ignite me to start to find more purpose. Yeah. And be like, well, what do I want then? Do I want, do we want to try to like adopt the family? Do we try to have a family another way? There's many options. Many ways to do it. Yeah. And I think the conclusion we've come to, so to partially is that I'll just start adopting people in my life's family and friends. That's beautiful. And making them this thing and helping people if they need a thing or how can I facilitate someone to continue whatever dream or path they're looking to do. Can I help them? Yeah. With my resources. That's amazing. I guess, right? I'm trying. I have something. I found recently it popped in my head that because I've just had friends for so long, like dudes at a girl with whatever you're like, they're actually kind of family. Yeah. They are brothers really. Totally. Yeah. I mean, do you, how many brothers sisters you got? I have my sister. Yeah. So like, I only have a sister too. I didn't have that brotherly thing. Yeah. So I think you adopt other men in your life as like, you get really close because you're like, I never had this bro shit. You know, I mean, like, you had your pop. Yeah. It's just different. When you, you know, you see guys that grow with brothers two sides of it too, because, you know, there's also the beat the shit out of you. Yeah. Sheamus could be quite rough. No, you're the oldest. You're the oldest. Oh, okay. Yeah, but sheamus could fuck him up, dude. He's a pussy. He talks a big game with that mustache, but it ain't true. He's a soft little boy. You should see when I, when I, when I do that to him, he gets so nervous. And I mean, this is a compliment. But when I met, you have the best look for a podcast producer. It's unbelievable. You get better. You will be that for the rest of your life. You're like comic book guy from the Simpsons. You just get fatter. Nothing else changes. You look identical as time. He's a handsome young, he's a handsome kid. Young man. He does pretty good glasses today. I didn't want to. Yeah, he wanted to turn you on. Oh, you know, you know, but you know, but I know, Horny, you get glasses. Are you single guy? What's the old headburg joke? I don't have a girlfriend. I know what a good joke. He's so good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you ever get to see him live? Oh, dude, I loved headburg. And we drove. He was playing Seattle on a Friday. And he was, it was like a new club. And on that, he showed up and he thought the tickets are too expensive. He thought the drinks are too expensive for his fans. So we decided to not do the Saturday show. And we were already drove down to Seattle. So we did like an open mic. And then we found out at the last minute he did the show after after anyways. So I didn't get to see headburg. I know. What a weird thing to be like. I'm mad at these things. I'm going to stop. It's like, just a show for cheap dinners. Yeah, but I think he wasn't like happy with the way it was like a new club. And I think he spent time in Seattle, right? So I think he is like, I think he went to this new club and was like bomb. Then he was in his hometown, and all those like hometown people were coming and showing overcharging stuff. But, uh, yeah, I guess it. Yeah. So I didn't know. Did you get to see him? I did. Oh, man. One time in Tempe Arizona. Yeah, I got to see him. And this was shortly before he died if I'm not incorrect, timeline wise. He wasn't, he wasn't dead too far after. And it was a bummer a little bit, dude, because he was pretty cooked. Oh, really? I just think he wasn't present at that point. I think he was just kind of like going through the motions or like he, I didn't look like he was enjoying doing stand up. How far? How soon did he pass after that? If I'm wrong, I mean, we have to look up the timeline, but I'm pretty sure it was because he died in what year did he die? Headwork died in, he died in 2005. Five. Yeah, that's right. March 30th. Right. So, so that was my junior year or senior year in college. So, right, yeah, probably like a year later, he had died. Okay. Yeah, it sucked. Yeah, I was fucking bummed because the show was, I mean, like in the girl that got me tickets, I had this girl that I like, you know, was head over heels for when she was like, I've got Mitch Headbreak tickets. I was like, you're the coolest woman that ever walked here. Yeah, totally. I'll fucking get you pregnant now in college. I got a success with her. Yeah. And then we went to the show and she wasn't a big comedy nerd. She just knew I loved comedy. So she kind of was like, is that awesome? Yeah. Not really. Oh, really? Just because he wasn't there, really. I could feel that he wasn't engaged. Yeah. And kind of like, he was a little like fuck this. Not as I'm too cool for this, but also probably, well, if you're partying and stuff like that, you probably dejected from fucking, you know, four days of being on the run. Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. But it did also give me a window, an early window into the nights that you feel that way. Yeah, without the, without the fucking horse, you know, without the arrow. Yeah. But like the nights where you're like on your fourth or sixth show and you're like, I don't like the way this rhythm has been going, you know? Yeah, and you're just kind of in it. I had such a wake up call. I was playing some small club. I don't even think it's there anymore, but it was in Des Moines. And a guy had flown from England to see me in Des Moines, which I'm like, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah. Anyway, just don't see me at all. That's crazy. That's crazy. So I was so that's always in my head now, because I'm like, because could you imagine? Yeah. And the show was fine, but it was like, this is all right, all club in Des Moines. And this show, maybe the show was good. I don't remember it being a bad show, but I do remember thinking like, Oh, you got to bring it every fucking time. How did you know he emailed you? I meet people after the show. Oh, he told you that. Yeah. Well, I got you didn't know before the show. Oh, my God. Ruined. Yes. Yeah. It wouldn't be bombed so bad. Um, it trips me out. It's like that time for love is over. He's got the pilot. The pilot. I would just be like, looking at the British guy, but it's so crazy. How many, like, can you, there's not a direct, is that Heath row to Des Moines? No, that doesn't exist. No, he had to go to New York, then go to Chicago. Yes. But why you picked Des Moines and no offense to the good people of Des Moines? A little bit, a little bit. That sounds like a little bit. The club's not open. I think it is. I've never played Iowa. Oh, really? And I'm from Chicago. I've never once, I played every state in the Midwest, except Iowa. I've never even, I don't even think I've stepped foot in. I play in a couple. I think I played Des Moines fairly recently, too. There's another club. There's a new club. Like a hilarious or a funny bone or something? I think it must be a funny bone or something. Got to be, bro. Yeah. There's only like four now. It's like the comedy clubs that turn into like what Amazon? It's either Amazon owns it or BlackRock or Apple. It's like four companies own everything. Yeah. And that's kind of how like funny bone helium, you know, improv. Yeah. Yeah. Funny bone Des Moines. We guessed it, baby. We got it. Funny bones. Good on fun. You're on tour right now, by the way. Yeah. For people that need to go see a great comedian. Go see him now. He's literally all over the place. December, I looked on your schedule for fun. I think you're all of December, January, February, March, and then you have April, too? Or no? Oh, yeah, April. I'm all the way till May. Till May? Yeah. And then you take the summer down? I do like fewer weekends in the summer. And then it's in, and then I start up in the fall again, which feels so I remember there was a year where I did get booked for a full year. I just did seller spots for a full year. Really? So now getting to work all the time. Yeah. I remember I did, I did the Comedy Central half hour. And I was like, here we go. American Dream. Here they come. And then just agent did not come. What year was your was your half hour? How did you film it? I filmed it in Boston. At the Royal. At the Royal. I believe so. Yeah, it was in a club. We did the same. I think we did the same. We were two the same, not the same. We didn't film the same time. But I think ours were at the same time. Oh, really? Because I did it with the year with Sam and List. Yeah, that's got to be us. Isn't that mean? What year did I do it? I didn't film with them. But like, I think we were part of the same. Okay. Whatever the season season. Yeah. Whatever they used to call them when they're like, oh, yes. They're like, we'll give you six bucks. Yeah. To do this. Yeah, you guys. Fuck you guys. We're the same year. We're the same year. Oh, well, that's cool to know. Stallying and Brooks. I was with Brooks wheeling and best stalling and Hampton Yount. Do you remember Hampton? Yes. Yeah, Hampton and Barry and Barry Rothbart. It's exactly right. I remember Barry too. I kind of got screwed because I went. I had like a sweet spot midweek. And then I had like a weekend. And it was a good weekend. I think it was like Acme and my I ended up getting moved. I had to do it. I had to go first. And they were like fucking monkey wrenching cameras and shit. Like just like seconds before I was on stage. And I remember it wasn't a bad crowd. But I remember you know when you're performing and you're feeling them warm up, like you can just feel it's like watching a flower bloom. And you're like, God, this flower is going to be gorgeous for the next guy. Like you're just like, God, yeah. And I remember feeling the more mop. And I was like, oh boy. Yeah. But those tapings are always tough for people to have no idea. Like those things, they feel every camera. There's huge cranes in the way. It's like they they know they're in a thing. It feels so not comedy. Yeah. Yeah. So it does something to the crowd. Oh, and also I said to that when they they were the person that and then she was really nice. And she does a lot of people's comedy specials. And she's like very, very talented. But for me, I think someone said, oh, we risked with the crowd a lot. And and she mentioned something to me. And I'm like, don't don't take that into consideration when you see the crowd. Just put who is random as the universe wants the person to sit in the front. Have them. And then before I went on, she said something like, you're going to be really happy with who I put up front. And I was like, oh, you did it. And it was like all these people like dudes and women who this was their opportunity to be seen on TV. And you could tell they were all like, like dressed up and many skirts. And I was like, oh, this is just this was I dedicated my life for this. And you fucking put these morons in the front. I think it was like no one wanted. It was so bad. You didn't talk to anybody though. I did. I was like five rows back. I was like birds. I like boom, normal person. How about that guy? Yeah. And the guy in the front's like, what the fuck man? I used to do this thing where I would bring someone on stage. And I was the whole show trying to find someone and I ended up just getting so lucky and getting this great person. Because the problem is if someone's too eager to do it, I used to do this breakup sketch. Some Instagram. You've seen it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We've all she even talks about it. He's a history buff. She aim is to look up the Instagram sketch. I know you love it very much. Anyways, so she was cool. But it was hell because I was performing. I was trying to get the tape like just to get the temperature. It was just like girls that were dressed up like they were going to a nightclub that really had nothing. Yeah. Well, because they're for TV. Maybe they're ready for that. This was their big break break. Meanwhile, we go do it. It's It's not our big break. - Yeah. and you cry backstage to your best friend, which is what I did. I got off and I bawled like a baby. - Oh really? - I think the stress and the pressure annoyed me so much, when I got back there, I was like, it was terrible, and it ended up not being bad at all, it was fine. - It was fine 'cause I did whatever they did. - Yeah, it was fine, but I hated it. I was like, this sucks. - Yeah. - It didn't feel good. - I didn't work for a year afterwards, so that's how mine went. - So it went real good. - Yeah, no, I think when you saw it, it looks fine, and it wasn't like I was bombing, but I was warming up the crowd, or I was like, this isn't on me. I had the opposite effect. I think I went a second to last, which was a bummer, 'cause everyone was already fucking cooked, and they had shuffled in a few people, and then they kept a few other people, and I was like, well, this is weird. - Yeah. - Like some people stayed, some people are new. It's like, I think there is a, this is such stupid bullshit, nerd talk, but like, there is a psychological thing that happens when there's group think, and there's the same kind of timeline that exists between people in a room. They can get together on something easier, but it's almost as if, even though they don't know each other, and they're like new people, it fucks with their head. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? It's when they shuffled people and move, and they're like, what's going on? - Yeah. - But they get nervous, like as if something is really different, but it's not, but it is, so it does something to the way that you emote and react. I mean, there's so much psychology to audiences. - There is. - It's kind of crazy, like, the way that some nights, you're like, this audience is unbelievably great. How are they so good? - Yeah. - And then the crowd right after them, you're like, who the fuck are these people? - Yeah. - What do they learn to be audiences? Because people always say like, it must be so hard what you do, but people say that about comedies. And I don't, I mean, you learn, once you learn how to do it, it's not, but there's factors that no one takes into account. - That's right, yeah. - So you just can't control it. - Yeah, like someone would come into a room and be like, oh, this grand room, like, well, the show's gonna be amazing. You're like, the show's gonna be shit, because you could park a 747 in this room. The ceiling, and there's gonna be no, like, you know what I mean? You could just tear. - It's going straight up, baby. - Yeah. - Can you put some of the crowd up there? Just then it'll be funny. If they're above me, looking down. - There's so many little things where, and you can't even express it. Like, you just gotta be like, someone's like, oh, that show was good. You're like, oh, thanks. But did you head, you're like, are you fucking serious? There was round tables. There was a fucking booth along the, like, there's just like, you know what I mean? Like, you're like, yeah. So little things you would change. - Yeah, and it makes all the difference in the world. And you can tell if a crowd's good, you can tell if you're, you just didn't just read them. You just learned that thing. So once you learn standup, I don't think it's that, like, it's not hard enough for people to, you know what I mean? Like, I fucking, someone who does like, surgery to say to a comedian, oh, it's, I really respect what you do. You're like, don't. - Yeah, please run. - You know what you do is. - No, this is clown. I'm clown. - Me clown. - Yeah, like, it's, it's gray, and you take an experience in your life, and you get a bit out of it. There's like, and that's like, somewhat of an artistic idea. I'm not, like, saying it's terrible, but it's really, if it's in the right circumstances, if it's in the comedy seller, and you know what I mean? - If it's a McDougal hot room. - Yeah. - What are the four is your favorite? - McDougal, for me. - You and me are the same. - It's just. - Most people say VU, and I disagree. - Yeah. - I love that, right? - I really like the VU, but there's, these rooms have just, like, there's just been so much laughter and so much. It's just, you feel it, you know what I mean? This is like a really special place. - They do too. That's what we're saying about the psychology of an audience member. They also feel it, 'cause they're like, it's tiny, and it's us, and no one knows we're here. - Yeah. - And we can do anything in this. It just feels like so, you feel powerful. - There's a mystical thing. - There is. - And there is, and certain. - That's why I entered the stage like this. - Certain rooms. - I walk on. - Just got the gussens of smoke. (laughing) - Every time I do that room, without a fucking doubt, I do better in that room than I do in any of the other rooms, and it's not even close. The only, I mean, VU have had some great-- - I use great shows. - It feels so busy, you got the band. - Great shows. - Yeah. - But great sets happen for me at McDougal, because something in there tickles me in the way where you're like, ooh, we're in this little fucking cave, and somebody, it reminds me of growing up in the Midwest basements, where were we hung out. - Yes. - And it reminds us, we're in a basement, and we're just someone's telling dirty jokes. - Yes. - There are stairs. - I talk about that in my book, where it's like, that's I started in basements, and a good friend of mine came to see me at the cellar, and she goes, it's so crazy that I'm now, I'm in this world-famous basement, and you're doing the same, you're still a bit smart-ass, and you're still making people laugh. - It's perfect. - Yeah, and also, I mean, I started comedy, I watched comedian, and I watched Jerry stand on those stairs and look at his sets, and they go down. So for me, my whole goal, from the first time I did stand up was get to New York and get to the comedy cellar. That was my whole dream. So much so that I got there, and I was so content, doing spots, and then instead of watching my friends, they're like playing theaters, and shit, and I'm like, oh, I better, I gotta do that. - I gotta amp this up. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I gotta turn it up to 11. Well, that's just the beef of the store, I wanted to move to the West Coast, and the comedy store was kind of this lore, cool thing, and being a part, like getting your name on the wall, that would be getting passed, and all that. That shit to me was like, I mean, it's so fucking bad. - Yeah, I mean, the comedy store, and I've played there, I don't really don't do spots when I'm in LA, but I'm gonna start, but this-- - No, don't. - No? - I think it's cool that you don't. Dude, there's weeks where I've gone to New York, and I won't do spots, and people are like mind boggled. And I'm like, sometimes maybe I'll just go get food, and disappear for a little while, go shop, or go right, and go, it's kind of like an excuse for me to pretend like I'm on a work trip, but do no work. - Well, 'cause my thing is, if I was gonna do a spot in LA tonight, if I was doing a spot in New York, I would, you know, drop in some noon, and I'd get some work done. But LA, I'd feel like people don't know me, I have to make a first impression. You're doing older stuff, like I'm not getting any work done. - Right, right, it feels like it's a waste a little bit. - Yeah. - So what are you gonna do instead at night? - I'm gonna go for dinner. - You gonna go out and have a nice dinner? - Yeah. - Gonna get fucking ripped. - You know, dude, I'd kind of stop drinking. - Good for you. - Yeah, do you drink? - Anything else? - Anything else I've stopped? - Yeah, well, I mean, are you doing anything else? - Negative self-talk. - No. (laughing) - No, are you consuming anything else? - Not really. - No weed. - No. - No mushroom. - Yeah, you do. - If I, right occasion, if I'm going to look a dead show or something like that, it might have a little, some to put a little pep and messed up. - You know what I like to do? I like to take a little microdose and go golfing. - Oh, that's great. - Maybe one of the best things I've ever discovered. - Yeah. - Have you golfed your whole life? - Nah, you know, I learned it kind of when I was a kid, and then I got turned off by it because it was like, I didn't like it. I was like, what, this, my dad was like, you should do this, you'll like it, well, you can do it together. Then I just really loved basketball and I was like, I don't want to, I just want to play basketball. - Yeah. - So I kind of quit, so to speak, and then in college, once in a great while I'd go out with a few guys, but it was really just getting fucking drunk and it wasn't even really yet. And then when I moved out here, you can't afford it. You and your young, so no, I never really played. And then I'd say like around my, around 30, I just really started to get in again. - Oh, cool. - I really was like, okay, I have time, a little bit of money and I could do it. It's just a time consumption. - Yeah. - If you have a time. - But if there's something that you do that you love that is so, I like. - I'm obsessed. - That's why I like watching the Leafs and I love listening to "The Grateful Dead" 'cause it's so far from, like you need something that's far from comedy. - Couldn't agree more. - But I would love something where you're outside and you're, you know what I mean, talking to people. - That's my cell. Whenever someone's like, golf is stupid. I'm always like, look at this. Like I did, I think Rogan and I got into an argument about this and I was like, dude, he's like, golf is so dumb. I was like, first of all, do you like hanging out with your buddies for a couple hours and like maybe having a drink or maybe not? - Yeah. - I was like, great. 'Cause he does it on his fucking podcast. I was like, that's what you do. I go, this is me just hanging out with a friend, having a drink, walking and talking and also doing an activity. It's basically just like a mobile bar. - Totally. - I'm just like, I'm throwing darts with a friend of a bar. It's the same idea. - I'm just like, excuse 'cause if you're not doing that, you're not gonna go, hey dude, do you wanna get like a beer each and walk around like a field? - You need an excuse. - Just by the way. - Yeah. - And I will do that. - Then anybody wants to do that? - I'm down. - I'm down. - Well, when I was young, when we were young comics, we did used to go get a six-star and go sit in the park in the summertime and nobody wants to do that anymore 'cause everyone is adult. - Yeah. - Everyone is adult now. - Yeah, people are adult. - People have kids and families and responsibilities and they can't now. But those days were good days. So no, you're clean and sober from everything. - No, well, yeah, look at, this is, yeah, pretty much. I think I've had maybe 10 drinks this year. There's certain people that I will drink with. - Sure. - My best friend, Pugs. - Love Pugs. - Who's that guy? - Who's that guy? - Love Pugs, Toronto. Yeah, I'm going to see, yeah, I would have drink, and then I have another best friend who's in the book. You'll learn all about him, Ronnie in England. And now I was in England. I was like, I did chose in England. I was like, I'm not gonna not have a drink with my favorite person on the planet, you know what I mean? - Where's Pugs in my friend now? - Pugs is in Toronto, working at home, wearing slacks, wakes up showers, puts on slacks, works at home. Pugs rules, Pugs is in the book too. He, Pugs, Pugs is, yeah, he's friends in high school and lockers would be side each other. We're very different. - Yeah. - What did he, he works in corporate America? - He, - Corporate Canada. - Canada, yeah, he's got like a office job, cool dude. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's great. He's one of those dudes who he's just so cool. - He's a good egg. - Yeah, and he comes to the dead. Like, he, he'll like drop everything. I'll be like, dude, we're gonna go, we're gonna see the, you're gonna go to the sphere and he's like, there. - See you there. - Yeah, we're gonna, where did we go? Oh, we just saw the dead, they did the 60th anniversary in San Francisco. - Oh, let's ever just go, yeah. - Yeah, and he, he's just there. - I heard that was awesome. - Yeah, it was good, it was really good, it was great. - I just big crowds and I get nervous. - Oh, really? - Pretty tough. It's gotta be pretty coordinated for me to go. Oh, I just get anxious, man. Yeah, crowds give me, I'm just, I start getting like, hmm, what about like sporting events and stuff? Same thing too. I like a my go to them, but I'm also like, I do think about it very heavily. My social anxiety gets, oh, really? Yeah, I just think I just get like a little like, it makes sense. I feel people's energy a lot in it. So when we're going to a place, I'm thinking about it, the whole fucking time. Oh, okay. I'm going to the thing and then I'm hoping if we have an easy way to get like in the thing and then out of the thing. Yeah, I think about it like that. And then usually I'm like, we either leave really early or we stay way too late. Oh, I don't want to, I don't want to like sit in the car and have the anxiety of the people in the traffic and the, like when we go to Dodgers games, I love it 'cause I can walk. Oh, really? You can walk into the neighborhood, which is fucking rad. Oh, and then you get a car from there? You go to a restaurant or a bar and just hang until. But that's why, you know, I think it's important for baseball stadiums as a massive baseball fan. Please stay or replace a stadium in a dense metropolitan area. Baseball stadiums should be in places where you can leave and get a beer afterwards. Because now all these new stadiums, they build them out and you have to drive and you get into a fucking car and it takes away any sort of communal, like I don't know if you ever been to a Red Sox game. No, I've never, I've been a baseball fan for about a month. A couple of years, okay. A little bit more. Because of the Jays. Yeah, 'cause they started watching the Jays and World Series and I was like, this is great. Yeah. And it's the best, dude. All the, yeah. So I am gonna watch baseball this year. It's baseball, but like one of the best feelings you can have is like walking in the neighborhood, stopping off at a bar or something to meet up with people and then going into that game and then after the game, same thing. And it is so specific to baseball because football stadiums are usually kind of out and about and basketball stadiums are usually kind of inconvenient in a lot of cities too that you don't really want to go out there afterwards. But like Chicago, Wrigleyville, Boston, it's just there's something about going in a neighborhood and like being like house, house, house, baseball stadiums. Oh, that's a mint, yeah. It's a cool feeling. Well, you want to go, when I go to a show, if I go to a dead show, whatever you like, I want to get food, like you want to do the thing and then have either a drink or something to eat. Yeah. So I don't really drink that much. But if I went to a baseball game with someone that was into it and then was having a pair of things with me, you would get a hammered. Yeah. I'd make sure you get hammered. Because it's fun to do, man. Yeah. It's one of the best feelings. I just stop because, yeah. It's toxic. It's, yeah. Yeah. So I started not drinking on the road. And then that is, I feel like that's key. The few times that I have a drink on the road, if you're before you start a show and you're a little bit hungover, you're like, what the fuck am I doing? I hate that. Yeah. What am I doing? Yeah, that does suck. But there's places where I go on the road where I'm with people and I'm like, I'm going to see those guys. I'm going to have to go say hi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard. Yeah. But at home, I don't really drink at home. I'm a social, I'm a little social girl. So if I'm out and about, I'll have a couple. Yeah. But at home, like we have a liquor cabinet at home, slam full for guests. But I don't think my wife and I, we almost never have a drink at home. I'm just not interested at it. I like, I want to go out. I want to make it like a thing. Yeah. It's like, let's go out and have a, let's go to the thing. The thing is, I love the taste too. If I have a negroni, I'm like shameless when it comes to that. If I have a negronium, it's like, that's more like flanagan. Audible, audible, audible, like groans and moans. It feels good. It's so delighted. Yeah. No beer though. Not a beer. No, I love beer. Yeah, I have a beer. Malone Molson. Canadian zone. Yeah, I would probably go something a little more pretentious than Molson. You know? Don't say that to the Molson. The fine people at Molson. Yeah. Although it's, I think it's an American-owned zone. Is it really? Didn't Americans buy Molson? I feel like they sold to probably Inbev or one of these major conglomerates again. Oh, okay. We're going back to the same. Yeah. Everyone is owned by three people. Yeah. Even you. You're owned by BlackRock. Kind of two up to four years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course, Bob. Oh my goodness. Curse. The fine people at curves. Wow. By the way. By the way. So earlier, when you talk about Jim Urse. Mm-hmm. Yeah, stat boy. Do some updates. So he died in this year. Yeah, he did pass. So Jim Urse was the guy we're thinking of. But then I went to his daughter, who I said. But I was right. Jim Urse was the guy. I said Carlisle, but it's Carly. I said Taff. Yeah. Taffed. Yeah. Was that his name? William Taff. Yeah. Great president. Who is in the bath. Tubman. Oh, was that okay? That's Tubward Taffed. Yeah. And by the way, Taff Tubs. Click on the link in the description down below for the Taff Taffed. I do a plug for a fake thing about it. Tubbs by Taffed. Okay. Listen. I appreciate you. Wholeheartedly. Love these shoes, by the way. These are very comfy. These are very dead-forward. Okay. These aren't dead-forward. They look like festival shoes. Yeah. They look like you can wear them out to dinner to a festival. Also, these are around the house kicks. Yeah. Wear them on stage. You can get away with murder with these things. Yeah. Don't kill. Please. I won't. Please don't. People at a home, people of the world, lovely humans of Whiskey Ginger fans, do me a favor. Please go grab this book. Go grab Spellbound right now by Mr. Phil Hanley. He's also on tour. I'm assuming it's Phil Hanley.com. Yeah. Phil Hanley.com. Got him. Yeah. Been doing this for a couple years. Yeah. Go see him on tour. He's touring all the way. Please come this up. And then in May, he is, of course, going back to his butterfly farm that he owns in northern Canada. And we'll disclose the location about that. Yeah. 17,000 butterflies. He breeds every single year, one by one, names them, which is actually pretty remarkable. Yeah. And I got a couple interesting names for butterflies just today. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to hit the cone. County Bonnie. We end the show the same way. Also, oh, yeah. We'll put the link in the description down below for the book to go by the book. Oh, thank you. Go by the book and go see him on tour. Look at that camera right there. You're single, if you will. One word or one phrase to end the episode. One word or a phrase. Could be a phrase of words of wisdom. Could be just a single word that really stands out to you in your mind. Well, really, I didn't know that for the moon, baby. I've listened to these episodes. Don't think about it. I've never-- just from your gut. OK. 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