Peter Thiel's 2026 Gen Z Psyop EXPOSED | Jack Mac

Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. - I remember when I was at five years old, I remember thinking about like, "What happens when you die?" And it's never left me. - What do you mean it's never left you? - Like, I always think about that. Not always, that's the wrong way to say it. But I remember, I was like, five years old, and I remember, I was like, "Oh, I just, "maybe I cried out where I remember asking my mom." I was like, "What happens when you die?" - What'd she say? - She was like, "Oh, your grandma's in heaven." And that's what happens, and that's what's going to, and if you're a good person, I was five. But I've always thought, it's just kind of death in general. I'm always thinking about your morality. It's like, damn, and this place goes on forever. What happens after that? It gives me anxiety in a way that I can operate with. It's not like a deathly anxiety, but it's something that's probably been in humans forever. Like that kind of like, not in your stomach where you're like, "Wait, what happens after this?" But the people that I envy the most are the guys that, like modern day, people that just don't care. The guy that goes into the boxing ring or an MMA cage says, "Fuck it, I don't care." I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go fight, and yeah, I could really, like something really awful could happen. Lock that cage, it's me and another man, and we're gonna fight until the end. Now, obviously there's a ref, there's rules, but those are the people that I look at. I'm like, holy shit, those are guys that don't give a fuck. - Yeah. - You have to have like a certain thing within inside of you that's just, and I'm talking even people that do it, not even like, "Oh, you can talk about Ilya Tapori, "you can talk about Terrence Crawford, "you can talk about Floyd Mayweather." But I'm talking, even people that kind of just do it. - To do it? - To do it. - Yeah, everyone's wired differently, and there's two things I always remind myself, 'cause I want to take a step back for a second and go back to a question you asked a minute ago, but like number one, I've only ever lived between my two years. I can psychologically look at data and see how other people think. I can never fully know how each individual thinks. And number two, and this is why I want to go back to your question. One thing I always say is people, and sometimes I get caught doing it too, and I just did. People throw around the term, "If I were blank, "then I would blank about very serious things all the time." And the fact of the matter is, you never fully know until you're faced with that decision. - Yeah, right, right, right. - So no one has ever put anywhere nearer a billion dollars in front of me to be very clear. - Okay, yeah. - What I can say though, is that I have had a lot of money and default test to this, unless you'll test this, I've had a lot of money put in front of me on test from people, and I have instantaneously said no, because whatever that thing is, and maybe that's why I'm not well-capitalized, maybe that's why I don't own a house, maybe that's why I haven't made nearly as much money on the show as I have. But that thing that exists in people to wear like the ultimate scorecard is how much money they're making at all times. I don't have that. I never have. I am a fulfillment guy. I am a guy that when I go to bed at night, if I look in the mirror, I'm like, do I enjoy what I do? I think Gary Vee used to have a term about this. There's people who are romantic about how they make money. And he wasn't necessarily complimentary, complimentary in saying that. But I realized early on, you know what? I am romantic about how I make money. I only wanna make money on things that I really actually value in things that make me feel good. And if that makes me weaker than other people being able to move forward with a bank account like other people can. And I can't, I'm fine with that. - Yeah. I also think, and this is probably something. And this is what friends tell me. My parents tell me they're very supportive, they're great. I feel like that's one of the luckiest things you can ever have is like really supportive parents or even just one. But both of mine, I just lucked out. I won the lottery with that. - Me too. - And this is what I'm gonna tell you. Like the impact you have is like, I mean, I know you don't believe this. It's otherworldly. You're probably of, I mean, it's tough to say, but of people in media, like, I mean, there's not a lot of people doing what you're doing. I think you were thinking of it. - I know, but I like, I really truly mean that. It's like, I mean, you're, we could pull up your numbers, but like, having consistently six figure, seven figure views on podcasting episodes just on YouTube, we don't see the audio numbers. We don't have that publicly. But like, then you add those up and you can like calculate. You think about it. That's an impact that like you can't, you can put a monetary value on it. But it's, it's, you, I don't think that really matters for you. And you may even have a reputation because I know how all these places work. Every fucking talent agency in the world knows who you are. Every UTA, C-A-A, W-M-E, but in every company, not every company 'cause marking these people, and that's another discussion for another time where it's like, who runs marketing, that's another discussion for another time. But these people know, but they also probably know, it's like, oh, he doesn't want to do it. They know it like, it's so strange. - But like, and then they're like, I'm at W, I've been at WME for a long time, I love my agent. He's great. - Yeah, but like, those are people that, there's even, because then we get to the discussion of, and this kind of goes back to Peter Teal. It's like, they've always tried to have those types of people in their back pockets. And you go, and this goes to JD Vance. And then it goes into, it's like, oh, when did he start to have a connection with this person that turns out to be, what's Peter Teal, top 10 most powerful person in the world? - He has to guess. - Yeah, publicly? - That we know of. - That we know of. How big is the, but how do they get these new people? And that's where, I don't know. - That's that's a great question, man. And, because they would start these, and it's always interesting when I hear it, it's like they would run these newspapers in these college towns, and they would, like, Peter Teal, or they would invest in them, and they would, and they would find, and there was other people, there was people out, this is how they would find specific political people. I forget the name. They would invest heavily, and these are people that would kind of be hand selected to be the next, 'cause they see how they write. And like, there would be people underneath these powerful people reading all these, and they would find. - Is this it, Steve? - Yes, the Stanford Review. - In 1987, Teal co-founded the Stanford Review, a conservative and libertarian student newspaper at Stanford University, ongoing support, Teal's maintained relationship with the paper for over 35 years, providing financial donations and acting as a mentor to staff. - And Peter Teal's not unique in this. There's people that, throughout, specifically, this is how, like, rhinos kind of worked, with, within, like, the Republican Party, where it's, they would find these people that are politically active in college. And then, obviously, if they're writing for the right-wing newspaper within the college, or the review, whatever it is, then they would find and see who they thought was really talented. And then, they would kind of take them under their wing. They would get a really good job. They would get a, or not even a really good job. They would say, hey, you want to come work for us? And then this person who has these grandiose ideas in college gets told, we want to help you run for it somewhere in a small district. And then, before you fucking know it, you're a senator, and they come back and say, hey, remember me? Or, hey, we've been with you the whole time. This needs to get through. And then, along the way, if you're thinking really crazy, I mean, think about all the things that we've done, it's like throughout my 20s to 29. - Oh, everyone can get got-- - Get got in a ways-- - With fake, with fake stuff too. - And get got in a ways that's just like, even just a conversation you had at the bar with your buddies that you didn't really mean or anything, you get got. - You get got. - So, and then it's this search, and Peter Teel's not unique in this. I'm sure somebody will point it out in the comments. - One of, if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. 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I think, I forget the name, but there's people, if you can tie back a lot of politicians, and this is kind of the chicken or the egg, 'cause if you're writing for a public, or for a newspaper in college, you're probably likely to get involved in politics. But they also kind of, they're always keeping an eye on it. And then I wouldn't be surprised now if they're always keeping an eye on people that are making videos. That's the new newspaper. They find the 18, 19 year old, and they say, "Hey." - Yeah, you're taking the words on it. Dave just said it, "Clivicular." - Okay. - It was fun in him. - Well, so I interviewed him. - You did? - Yeah. - And what's he like? - Really neurodivergent. - Yeah, but finally, I know shit, Sherlock. - You know what's crazy? - You want to see it in all prep? - Yeah, you're from Hoboken. - Yeah, I think I know some kids who went to school with him. - I don't know if anyone's funding him. - Now he did just open a club with people that are like a little bit more like on like a Jewish mafia side. - A little bit of Israeli mafia side, which I've heard some things that aren't great. - Like what? - I just think it was more so. I, not that I heard it specifically, but it was more like, look them up. Like I'm here. I could get the name When did you interview him? Right before he shot that alligator He told me like tiptoe maxing shit tiptoe maxing wait, let me find So I what what a channel five reported Yeah, so I was that more like a conspiratorial type video like I think they were a little bit more of a so that's always been the thought Where is there's like a guy like Uncle T or something like that who gives him all these donations? Yeah, and here's where the thought is Peter teal talks about like Transcending which is dangerously close to ascending the human race and creating like a second digital race and Basically like promoting transhumanism ideas and whatever and I'm just saying here jack mac if I wanted to hack Culture to create that I would convince an entire generation of men that they got to take fucking 60 million drugs And looks Max and not reproduce and fucking castrate themselves and to perpetuate whatever it is You know just to try to keep up with the Joneses and create that standard I mean the when you listen to I I actually feel As much as I joke about it and whatever with with clavicular I I empathize with the kid and more specifically like I I feel I don't know if this is the right word but like Pity for him, you know because he's been he clearly is very neurodivergent as you said So he's got he's and I think he was a nonverbal autistic for a couple years when he was when he was a child So like he has some actual rooted health issues and society was able to Torture him in such a way that he feels like this is the only way to be able to exist Among people and unfortunately at age 20 he doesn't have he's just out there trying to make money and doing his thing He doesn't understand what he's being used for in my opinion and there's people who would be like who knows? Darren will always do maybe but like I think he's just a really dumb fucking young kid and he's been just throwing into this spotlight out of nowhere and I feel bad for him Yeah, so he was I he's a smart guy As a lot of neurodivergent people are he knows I would say like if you IQ tested him It would be very high you know he's from holocaust yeah, and I think he's just I Mean it's a great question. I mean, and you have to think about it We're talking about all of these newspapers and college newspapers and I was telling like oh they found that's JD Vance and all that Yeah, they probably are doing with tick-tocking - I mean, but here's the thing with clav I've known about him for a while. When did you first find out about him two summers ago and for people out there A lot of people listening do know who he is because he's been astroturfed all over the internet But for people out there who don't know who he is and what his thing is can you give a full context on? So clavicular has risen to fame recently for specifically streaming and being a look smaxer and Also the look smaxing is essentially the if you're a look smaxer and you're a guy it's and it's just essentially just trying to become better looking but he uses very aggressive techniques so that would be that would be Like hammering your face to try to break small bones within it and then it re-grows and gives you better cheekbones and Which is all feature. That's apparently pseudo science. Yeah, that may be I don't know if this is I do not I'm not endorsing this But this guy that was like yeah, like I think he took like H.E.H. like Like steroids when he was younger. I don't know if you that's confirmed But this is like what a lot of the looks maxing community is saying and then you are especially when you're younger it's the chance to really like you can do things that your because your body is Morphing into what it's going to be so you can be a lot more aggressive You can't his thing. I don't know if this is true, but you can't get taller once your growth plates close of course, but you can be a little bit more aggressive when you're younger he says and Like also you can be aggressive with all these drugs, but also you can really fuck up your entrance His thoughts and it can be really really bad Now he's risen because he's kind of funny in his own way. He he has this weird way of talking. Yes, which is Terms like jester, which is just clown Gooning which is what was already pretty popular, but like jester maxing looks maxing and he adds Maxing to the end like we're podcast maxing right now He went up to a girl once on stream when he was having a party and she was sitting alone He's like, oh, are you okay? You're alone maxing right now, but he says it and so I was talking to him And it's like, don't you find the comedy in this? He was like no, anyone that thinks that's funny is retarded And I was like and I was like and I was like and I was like I don't want to be disrespect with you I just like do you really mean it's like no, I think that's just how I talk and anyone that thinks it's funny is It's just wrong. That's just how I talk and I don't and he says I don't get why people clip it and it gets hundreds of millions Views and all of this, but also this is a guy that that's why he's popular and he's and I've said Do you think you've created kind of because his whole thing I I asked him it was very apparent You and I are having a conversation right now. We take joy in this conversation I was like it feels like you don't take joy in anything and he said he's like, yeah, that's just how I'm wired and then I said what gives you joy? And this is crazy, but he said without with and within a second he said math and He's I was like are you do still take math and it's like no not anymore But I was like but that's what fired you up. He's like that's what fires. Yeah, and I was like what about helping looks Max He's like yeah, but no one really wants to do that anymore And I said well, do you think you've kind of created this community that doesn't really value anymore? It's like yeah, that's definitely a possibility just because he has such a big I mean this Looks like this is a very these should be a very small community. 0.0001% of the internet Now what are the effects of this dude? I and that's the thing I Was so fucking stupid when I was 20 years old. I was stupid when I was 25 exactly You know, so I have always felt bad for these kids at any level of attention when they're thrown into the spotlight And then they have to look stupid in front of the world and then maybe they convince everyone else to be stupid too So that's why I empathize with him, but like What you know, he's 20 now, but he was starting this stuff when he was as far as I've seen like when he's like 16 worth Where the fuck where his parents? You know your kids in the bathroom your neurodivergent kid by the way is in the bathroom hammering his face I remember I saw clips him talking about his mom would like try to take away his hammer. Yeah, it took away her, but like Clearly something's off here. They maybe get some help. Well, they took them they took away his passports too because he wanted to go Turkey to get double jaw surgery In double jaw surgery for those that don't know would be to like a sense you wait But here's the thing if you if you look at this kid I mean the kid is a good looking guy already, but he says there's are you know how broke He's on 12 milligrams of redditude tide of what read it. It's a peptide What is this one do apt? It's like a you know how GLP ones it works on one receptor. Mm-hmm. Then there's like Not much. There's another one that works on two receptors read a works on three But it's a peptide is not approved by the FDA. You get it from China or Mexico It's gonna my prediction is me someone may be watching this by the time that it gets approved because these pharmaceutical companies like Hems like Lily all of them there. They see well if you look up Google trends reddda get searched like no other People are obsessed with it. So that means they want that to come in RFK junior has talked about it on Rogan saying that he's gonna get some of them in this is all the peptide craze But here's the thing about Klaev Klaev's been around Klaev was a part of this weird thing on the internet called the cookie verse with the verse So this is when I get very just like This is cookie so there was this weird. It's why you're here Jack. Yeah, yeah So there's this guy and he's still popular online. You can look him up his name's cookie king Big on tiktok specifically for case probably 14 to Maybe 21, but usually like a lot of his fans were very young and his name's cookie king and He created this cookie verse where he had a lot of people that he would just he post like 20 25 times a day and a lot of them these cookie verses he meets all these people Klaev was a part of it Here's a cookie king This is real and you know Santa Cruz medicinals. Yes, he He does this locked in and he's tried to help he I would say is a great Guy who's older that's not the Peter till he's helping trillies like guys just go to the gym You know, take all these crazy things your hormones are through the fucking roof already. Just go to the gym You're 18 you can you can put on all the muscle in the world and he's he does these locked in events and he did it with cookie king once and he did it and Klaev was there and This is this was this past summer. That's what I really got and saw Klaev for the first time beyond just kind of some random videos But looks maxing became very popular popular in TikTok in 2022 to 2023 and then Klavel was kind of doing that and he was already big. There was these forums that exist and then he did it on TikTok and then he kind of he is what he is now, but he's been around. Do I think he was funded? My guess is no, but nothing was surprised me. That's what I'm saying, dude. When I look at different ways, Tyler all there and I were talking about this in episode 363 when he was in here, but like when I look at different ways as to how I would destroy, collapse society upon itself, there's a hundred, maybe a thousand different broad variables you need to do that. This is wonderful. Now, this is how you destroy it when you start making people destroy who they are as a person to try to win the affection and appeal of other people strictly on that metric and then you mainstream that and make that the popular thing so that other kids who are highly, you know how impressionable, I was impressionable when I was 27. I'm impressionable now. Yeah, absolutely. But like on a whole nother level and then you look at these 18 year olds, bro, I was an only child. I was on an island like I was looking around going, all right, what are we supposed to do? Like it makes me so sad and it's and it's and it's also pushing men and women away from each other because that's another thing. And I put a tweet out about this, you know, and maybe some of its maturity and I'm a little older and I've been where I need to be and I know what I want in women. But like when you look at all these women that he's hanging out with and fucking and glorifying and to be clear, you know what he does. What does he do? All of those women are like a lot of them are her his only fans models and he makes money off of them. So it's like and it's like the internet pimping and so on. You're making my point for me. He when you see what is now being glorified, all these girls are like the most pro I was going to say the most prototypical club girls. Well, now you're telling me they're even like fucking only fans models and like just getting back to our basic evolution. When I see these clips of these women, they do not possess a single trait that you look for in a mother of your child. Not one. Yeah, not one. Yeah, he but here's the thing. I don't think he thinks about it like that. Of course he doesn't. That's the point. What would go if I was to make a case for why he's not what he is or not funded is his PR guy was this guy by the name of Mitchell Jackson. Mitchell Jackson runs and this was a infamous tweet. He runs like the Arkham. Jail, what's the Arkham asylum? He's he runs an Arkham asylum of people. He runs. If you look up Arkham asylum, Mitchell Jackson tweeted, you should see who is his PR people. This guy's the nicest guy in the world. I love this guy, Mitchell Jackson, but I'm going to show you his list of people that he represents. He represents the Arkham asylum. Candace Owens. Yeah, I got to see this if we can use he's gone back before we can use the camera to a little more. That's good. Yeah, I want to see what you're talking about here. I'm not familiar with this. Yeah, so Mitchell Jackson, but he dropped him recently. Mitchell did drop because he was concerned about his drug usage. Look up Mitchell Jackson type in Jackson on Google. If you look it up on Google, if you just type in Mitchell Jackson Arkham asylum, the first tweet will pop up because I looked it up. I think literally yesterday. All right, we got it. So, bro is running Arkham asylum. Described quote-unquote interloper, the 33 year old PR pro is accustomed to working behind the scenes on behalf of high profile and quit and frequently shits during clients, such as Candace Owens, Brett Cooper, Adam Friedland, Caroline Calaway, and Adam 22 quote, I gravitate towards clientele that have something to say because otherwise I'd be bored. Jackson tells me adding, oh, this is from Taylor Lorenz. So Taylor Lorenz. I also interviewed Taylor Lorenz. Wait, is he had an agency or is he just a PR guy? He's just a PR guy. This is not like a CIA guy or something like that. Okay. Now, maybe Mitchell Jackson is fucking bought off. You never know. But Mitchell Jackson, and here's the thing when I interviewed Clav, I got asked. They asked the company. I was like, I'll do it. And then I showed up. He showed up like a clav was still sleeping. And then Mitchell showed up. He showed up with the food. He was eating and we were just chewing the shins. Like, yeah, Clav will be up in a few minutes. And then he would you have to pay for it? No. Interesting. And then I think some people have, but they asked like, and this is when he's doing this 30 day stream where he ended up eventually getting arrested. But he, but in the midst of it, they needed stuff to do. And that was when, I was the day after two days after Andrew Callahan interviewed him and Clav ended the interview early. And Mitchell was like, oh, can you just not do it about politics? And I said, yeah, I don't really want to talk to him about it. I know you could definitely talk to him about, I mean, he was a part of an international incident with Andrew Tade and Nick Fuentes when they played Hell in the club. And so, but I was, I don't really, I would rather talk to him about, I'd rather talk to him about his, like, I want to get inside the mind of what makes him tick. And I want to talk about the looks, maxing stuff. And I mean, I, the saddest part was when he's like, yeah, I was like, does anything fire you up? I'm not really math, which is kind of sad. That's so sad. But Mitchell, Jackson dropped him and said, you need to get help. And I won't return to helping you until it's very funny because Mitchell, Jack, he's this centric gay man. He's just, he's, he's, he's, there's, he is, he is, you know, he's gay. And he, uh, his relationship with Clavis Pretty Fun is like, Clavis is gay PR person, but Clavis really liked him. And ever since Mitchell said, you have to get sober, Clavis claimed. He's been sober claimed. Yeah, I mean, I, what did he do? He just like, oh, did on a stream or something. Yeah, but he was to, he takes these like beta blockers and then he adds alcohol on the mix and then he adds a bunch of other shit. Boy, he, he, he, uh, he's not, is it any 20? He's not a drinking age. He just turned 21. Okay. That is, okay. So yeah, he's the kind of the original OG looks, Max or YouTube. Like remember rich, Piana. Rich Piana. You've not show, show me a picture of rich Piana. Sometimes the names don't do it. He was like eight hour dumbbell session. You'll recognize this guy. This guy was OG internet legend. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He unfortunately died on a recent piece to him. I loved his videos. He was so funny. What? Died in clear water. Yeah. Rich Piana, 5% nutrition. He was unbelievable. But Ziz, uh, he was huge. Clavis kind of like him too. But then there was another guy. I forgot his name. Do you see, do you see this ending not tragically? I know, I know that's what I'm saying. Do you, for, do you see, and, and like, I don't mean to be morbid around here. I wish Clavicular nothing but the best. And I hope he comes off all the shit he's doing. But like, do you think we are sitting here five years from now talking about someone who is still alive? Yeah. You do. You think he'll live the next five years? I think he's so neurodivergent that if he gets help from off of drugs, he's so focused in a way that is could be valuable for him. He doesn't like going out. That's why he took drugs, is why he told me, but he kind of has this weird kind of bad feedback loop where good content for him is being out in public. He said, he's a guy that he's told me, and when we were interviewing, it's like, he's a guy that could go and be an asset house for two weeks, not talk to a fucking single person. And he wouldn't, it wouldn't matter to him. Yep. Maybe he'll talk to people online, but not really. But he's the guy that, and he says the reason that I take these drugs is because literally the day that I, I interviewed him, he tried to go out to a club that night without any drugs needed panic attack. Yeah. So it is, that's the sad part. I feel bad for the kid. But and then he has this bad feedback loop where it's like the content that my people want is not me talking about looks nice, but want me to go out to the club and be mean to like a, like a blonde chick, you know? Let me tell you some, man, I don't know anything about the type of content he does. I don't know anything about the streaming world or the instantaneous reaction like that. So I have to speak from a separate address here, if you will. But if you fall into that trap of just giving what you think, I won't even call it people, what you think the algorithm once at all times, you will completely lose yourself. And this is where I give myself a little bit of grace for maybe starting later than I should have in the years when I was trying to find myself and figure out what I wanted to do with my life when I should have had the answers in front of me. One of the things I did unbeknownst to me, this was going to be useful, is I watched people online and across all different sectors and how they would change and what would change them and what the crowd would do to them and how they would react and how they would live through it. And there were so many valuable, it's not to say I'm perfect by any stretch, but there were so many valuable lessons I learned before I ever even bought a fucking camera that I had all these examples of like, ooh, remember when that guy did that thing because he thought that was going to be, don't do that. be really, you want to be very careful, especially about just, yeah, just be yourself. And also, it happens in a lot of different ways, it can happen with, you, the fame becomes too much, or you try to seek out something that you think owed to you, where it's like, oh, I have this amount of views, followers, I should be this, that, or the other. And then also, there's a lot of people that, if you can't take, like, you need to be able, you have to have a weird thick skin in a way that I think there's, I know people that have thick skin, but they can't take criticism online, and it kills them along. I've kind of, I'm like, beyond past that, I'm kind of good, but I still have it, like, you're a human, you hear things, and you don't want to, you don't want to, but the person that can kind of just continue on and not, but there's a lot of people that just, the criticism eats them alive. I've seen it happen, and they just are never the same. And maybe that's good for them, maybe that wasn't, it wasn't, the internet wasn't for them in their own way, but, and then people change a lot and to be willing to accept it, man. And also, I think there has to be a grace for yourself that is, I'm going to figure it out. But it's tough, I mean, I'm still, I've, I spend so much of my time feeling like I haven't figured it out, that, and that's, probably, that's the catastrophizing and the spiraling, which isn't valuable for the day's tasks. That part's not valuable, but the idea that you, you are operating under the assumption at all times that your shit does stink. Yeah. Is a huge asset. Now, spiraling, I agree, you've got to find that middle ground, but like, the alternative of like, I can't do shit wrong, bitch, you're done. Done. When you do that, like, there was an old quote, ironically, from Conor McGregor, who ended up living in the wrong way, where he goes, people get comfortable with a win, they get real comfortable with a win, and when you get comfortable with a win, that's how you get a loss. You know what's so interesting in this, probably, I like MMA, you'll see so much. I also heard from somebody, I don't know if it was this guy. But I think it was Kamaru Usman, he said, he lost two or three in a row for the first time in like, ever. And he said, it's ease. You can get used to losing. So it's also both sides, it's so funny how life is just both sides. But McGregor, I watch Old McGregor clips, I'm like, this guy was the one, he was the one. He was in a way that he, he was going to lose in like, he was going to lose the guys like a beep. He even handled it would be pretty well, he took around off him before he got finished, which is insane to say, he could have went back to the lab. He was there, he was alive. There was a time where he would have. The money we lost, the McGregor, and he could have been like a movie like, yeah. And even if it was, now it's just, it's sad, I mean, the drugs got him. Yeah, I agree. I think he's a little bit better now, but it's just, we lost. We lost a prime of his. He went on a run that is unlike, it doesn't happen a lot. There won't be an, I said, that's a lot. I talked about MMA and you have to see, we'll never see another comment. Once I think what did it, I've said this for a long time, was the Mayweather fight. He went eight rounds with a still brilliant Floyd Mayweather, the best boxer in the world, the greatest defensive boxer, probably a defensively of all time. And you know, made fucking $60 million in one fell swoop and it was like, how do you top that? It's, it's like, it would be like, fucking, hmm, what's a really good example here? Like Patrick Mahomes deciding to play in the NBA one day and dropping 35. They don't win. But he drops 35 in a game where he's lined up against prime LeBron and Durant, right? Like that's what he pulled off and it's almost like that old haggler quote where he's like, it's really hard to get up before A.M. and work when you're sleeping in soak pajamas. He got into the soak pajamas and he couldn't recreate that, you know, I was out there with the plumbers and the horn in my friend, you know, I was making nothing. So the only and I think what also contributed to it was he had this rivalry right after it with Habib. That was happening throughout that brought out that instinctual kind of warfare that every man kind of has. And then once it was over, like he had it against Dustin, but then Dustin knocks him out. And then he fights Dustin again, Dustin's beating him up is like, is like, is like, is, but and then he's, then he's finished like, but even, even then, I don't think he wasn't, like he was, and also it was, it was, it was such a unique, I mean, he came from a place that it wasn't like he came from this family or gym that was known for iconic. Right. There's guys. So right now one of the best fighters in the world, I'd argue, probably best, Islam Makachev, he can, he can't, like he, he was trained by Habib's father. He's, he was in Habib's gym, best friends with Habib. We've been hearing about him forever. McGregor came onto the scene, no one knew who the fucking was. He was fighting at Ireland, never had anything from an MMA perspective. They had some great fighters, boxers throughout the years, but MMA made the fuck up. And also he has, he had this innate ability to turn people's lights off in a way that not a lot of people have. It's a gift, but it's not like he was an athletic freak, dude. No, he was up here. Yeah. He had it. That was just, and you know what? If you ever, because like, by the way, I was really humbled, you were telling me before a camera, like you've listened to the show for a long time, that's always wild to me when that's the case. But have you ever heard me talk about the IMU theory that Charlie Rocket came up with? Possibly. Continue on. Yeah. So sorry to people who have had this before, but I ended up having Charlie in here. He's a friend now, awesome fucking dude for episode 352, one of my favorite podcasts of all time. So Charlie had this theory called the IMU theory that he came up with about seven years ago, and it was at the beginning of 2019, end of 2018. And I remember seeing it, and I remember just being like, "Oh my God, this guy just figured out life." Like, I never have that reaction to something, but it made sense. And basically, he sat down one day and he was just curious. If you know Charlie at all, he is exactly what you see on camera. He is genuinely the most curious, like, I want to wonder about that question right there. Let's find out. Kind of guy. And he goes, "I wonder who the highest grossing by revenue superhero of all time is." That's comics, movies, TV, everything in between. And he's thinking it's going to be Batman or Superman or something like that. And to his surprise, it was Spider-Man. And it's like, that's interesting. Spider-Man is the one whose face you can't see. He's not particularly good-looking, doesn't have a chisel chin, came from like a lower middle class background. Parents were dead, wanted the girl, couldn't get the girl, had a weird talent, wasn't flying through the air. He was a fucking spite. That's interesting. He was relatable, though. Okay. What is the biggest religion by following in the world? All right. Christianity. All right. Who's the hero of Christianity? Jesus Christ. Jesus was a carpenter, he didn't wear, you know, in a time where you could've worn gold-plated armor and come in on a white horse, you know, as the God King, if you will, and everyone would bow down to you, he didn't do that. He wore regular clothes. As I said, was a carpenter, a basic, you know, working man's kind of job. He said about Muhammad as well. For sure. Yeah. This just happened to be the one with him. I know, I know, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like very similar. And Muhammad was the guy that fought in battles, like it was like with everybody, yeah? That's right. And he went around and instead of having, you know, all these fucking armies following him, he had 12 friends, and then sometimes you would give a sermon. And, you know, he was just kind of a young out with poor people. He was like the average person, so he goes, all right, if this can work with a corporation, we're really on to something, goes, what is the most famous corporation of all time? And he goes, holy shit, it's Apple. Everyone's got this in their hands. Who founded Apple, Steve Jobs, first corporate guy to say, fuck this suit. He looked like your dad in a time where people were coming up with technology and naming things in Spyron 6000 or Xenics 4,500. He named his products Lisa, iPod, iPhone, he named the products after you. And he goes, holy shit, this whole time where we're living in this culture where Instagram comes up, social media comes up, and the paradigm becomes, oh my god, I'm not like you. I'm not like you. I'm not like you. I'm better than you. I'm above you. I'm clavicular. I'm ascending or whatever. The people that we actually most relate to, forget all the clicks, forget all the things where people run short-term. The people we relate to over the long time are the people that are just like us. So what about sports? And he goes, all right, LeBron James is amazing. And at the time, Kobe was alive and he's like, Kobe's amazing and their beloved. No doubt about it. Kobe before he died, where like, you know, it's an extra level legend after he dies. But he's like, the athlete that is unlike that has transcended everyone is Michael Jordan. And yes, Michael Jordan now is a reclusive billionaire. But think about when Michael Jordan was coming up through his career and his rise. He was cut from his high school basketball team. He was the scrawny kid that wouldn't get a shot. Then he gets to UNC, wins a title, does all these amazing things, grows into his body. And they say, bitch, we're still going to draft Sam Buoy above you. to the MBU. they ignore him ignore him ignore him over and over again and then he can't get over the top finally gets over the top in year seven wins the title wins three in a row loses his dad tragically throws his life away goes and plays baseball makes an idiot of himself in front of the world to some people because he wasn't as good at it as best at basketball comes back wins all these titles and everything had the song because I'm like you he's like me and you know what I want to be like Mike like he had that thing that passion he's like everything sports religion corporations fucking superheroes people over time are going to go to the people that they most relate to and that's why when you're marketing to people and it you shouldn't even think about it from like a marketing perspective but you're saying in general speak to people like you are just like them not like you are above them and I think we have gotten to a point where we have sold society a lie that for some reason we have to be better than people or this different thing and it ends up creating all those tentacles we talked about earlier when you come around and headsets you feel more important and it's like the thing that makes things special or the fact that something like this starts with a backwards hat in your parents house and you got to keep that energy and I mean even like go off of that I mean kind of how Trump won is that yeah 100 even though but that's the crazy part about him is he was born with the Golden Spoon New York girls say all of that but he was he somehow related to that because he talked like them what do you do he put on the hard hat and he walked into West Virginia and said I fuck with you fuck with you all you're like you guys got fucked yeah and they I think that's something that a lot of the politicians need to think about in ways that like obviously Trump has taken multiple wrong steps but how do you do it a little bit like him and do it the right way yes because because even though you think of it and I would even say Obama did a two Obama had the oh I would love to have a beer with him I may disagree with him politically but he's a guy that I could have a conversation with you don't have that with Tim Walls you don't have that with Kamala you don't have that with like you didn't have that with Mitt Romney you didn't have that like and like George Bush a little bit too even George Bush seems like a guy that even though like I don't know if I would have a beer with him but he did have that like and fuck it like well and now watch this drive like like where the after so but the relatability and I was gonna say what is everyone's favorite NBA story of the 21st century NBA story NBA I'm gonna say you're gonna be like yeah what was the one that transcended the NBA more than anything else of the 21st century recently yeah yeah yeah it happened yeah I would even say it's past 15 yeah past 15 years it's gonna hit you what is the best story of the warriors no Jeremy Lin it was short live but yeah no that is that it was yes yes I would say you're right but even like Steph Curry is more like you and I than we're on James guess the Jeremy Lin but you are right I see exactly what you're saying that is that's who Connor we started this tangent though that's who Connor was Connor was the son of of working class Irish people who then had to work as a plumber for 18 hours a day and commute an hour to work over these bumbling hills who had nothing and would train with every amount of energy he had left at night and he had the girl who stood by him and fucking when he had nothing would sleep on the floor with him and built himself up and came out of nowhere and he was that dude and then it's like when he crossed that Mayweather Rubicon suddenly he became I'm not like you I'm this thing and he lost the whole magic of what put him there in the first place and that is a lesson one of my favorite sports moments in sever is he took over like the MMA world and Jose Aldo was this unstoppable force no one thought anyone could beat him he knocked him out in 15 seconds with what he predicted I so it's left hand it twitched it like you can't unreal you can't and I talk about it it gives you chills I remember where I was when I watched it and just like holy shit he did it and it does it wasn't even like there's always been great moments where there's been upsets and all that wasn't really even an upset because they were very well matched no one thought they could beat he could beat Jose Aldo but people did to an extent no one finding one beat Aldo and he knocked him out in 15 seconds and he was bigger than life and then it just lost them yeah no it's it's sad it's it's you have to but that's got to be hard when you you own a Maybach a Maybach yacht where you want to you own a how do you relate with the regular person I like my Honda I like my flip flops yeah but maybe that's the key but maybe that's the key that's the key man and don't lose it and also like a lot of these people that end up a little bit more than that don't get me wrong everyone's the elevate but a lot of people there's a lot of people that don't make them happy and also you see they're they're their kids too that's right I went to boarding school you went to boarding where'd you go Kent school where's that Kent Connecticut it's probably 15 20 minutes outside Pekipsi so it's up online near the Hudson right on the border of upstate New York in Connecticut I just saw a lot of people parents where they had everything now don't get me wrong I'm incredibly lucky but there is a different level right and there's a lot of people that have every advantage in the world can never get it together to this day there is people that like I before I went to boarding school I went to another school very similar not as privileged but privileged people and they were 98% of people also graduated college I went to a school with like it's more prestige more money more everything a lot of people never got through college there's a lot of people like and it's just because and it's goes back to like what I said like my parents are my yeah it's like if I like it that's that's why I was like and that's kind of when I was talking about early where we were discussing the videos and tiktok and all that it's like I kind of just got lucky but and that's the same thing with my parents and it happens and you kind of see these people that go to get kind of lost in the sauce literally and figuratively and like they kind of just lose it yes but there are people that can do both there's a lot of people have done yeah yeah yeah I don't want by the way I don't want to vilify how people make decisions and stuff like that what I am vilifying is the people who do it strictly to be able to say they do it to hold something over other people the people I always identified with the most of the people that I would meet have a three-hour conversation with them about life not know what they did and later find out they were like that and have and you know they didn't walk in and I'm Rolex this and chain I fucking love that well with that uh Kirikow's story with how he's talking with Elon Musk and he didn't even realize it it kind of but now Elon's is the only thing we get to discuss about Elon forever but I mean Elon at his core is obsessed with the idea of space and kind of technology and he'll die with that that's right so that's why I kind of think like maybe clavicular can work it out because there is that Elon that like but it's looks maxing it's a little bit different very almost a clavicular oh they're gonna love that in the comments nah you but no it's just like I but that's what I've taken but you know what that's what popped into my head now that's probably why sometimes like it's sometimes I'll say stuff and I'll do these videos and like it's kind of silly in theory clavicular to Elon Musk but it is kind of like that conversation that's my goal it's like you're having the conversation and like if the video is good enough and you're explaining something or talking about something but the ones that work the best are where they where and that's why and that's why some of them work and some of them don't but no it's it's uh yeah and I even think about it and I think it's like if you had all this more money like what would really change life would get a little bit easier quote unquote but like the best thing that you could probably do is like it would be sick if you had a house a private chef a nice gym at home and then the ability to be able to travel or go anywhere you want whenever now that's insane amount of money but but if I had to say it that but after that I'd be like I don't know like I really knew like how many places the like houses can you own I guess I don't under you know I do you really need one in California, Texas, New York and then on Long Island and then in Florida I do I don't I don't know but maybe you have so much money you have to park that money somewhere maybe but like my whole thing is there's things that I over time I would have said at some point like oh I regret being there instead of no one I should have been here or whatever and then I realize and get the grace of like whoa look what I was able to learn because I went into the wrong thing right like I came out of college I'm like well I got to get a job and I got a fucking job on Wall Street I was not a fit for me at all love the people I work with didn't like the work but it taught me so much about life because I was helping manage the money for like the ultra the people that had I would make one bullshit trade and it would be more money than I have ever seen in my life like at any point ever and I got to learn I don't want to make it all sound like it was bad examples I saw good examples too of people who had a lot of money never knew it, know it, and they were happy as could be. Their family was happy as could be. The next generations were doing their own things and had purpose. And then I would see the opposite examples of the quote unquote, "mo money, mo problems, invented problems." Where those kids you talk about at boarding. So I saw a lot of those and I felt bad for 'em 'cause they were dead. They were dead from the time they were born because mommy and daddy wanted to make sure they had all the money and they never had to do anything. They never had to work and they lived these purposeless lies where they could pay for anything but they were never happy and they were never gonna be. And like it made me realize 'cause like I got big dreams. I started this day one. I wanna be the best to ever do it. Anything less as a failure. Well guess what, even if I'm not great at making money, I know a lot of money comes with that. I need to find a woman that is cool with not owning a fucking 12-room mansion. I need to be able to build a family to wear like my kids. They do their own fucking thing. I don't want to trust funds or bullshit like that. I've never understood-- - You may want to trust funds. - Dude, I've never understood the generational wealth thing. I've never understood it. - I have, now I don't have a trust fund but I think if you can help your kid by a house and not have to think about it, it can be huge. But zero to 18 is one the biggest like it's not, 'cause when you think about trust fund kids, you think about the uppity but it's like, if you have your kids, why wouldn't you give them the ability to not have to worry about rent? Now it can cause more bullshit and maybe you learn lessons along the way. But also the other option is usually, it's like giving the money the fucking government. So it's like maybe you could put it in other places but if you have this money, you have three kids, you trust them, you spent your time raising them to make sure that yes, they have nice things but this isn't like, they're not bullshit rich kid stereotype. They have, look, why wouldn't you? Now maybe it's required, hey, you have to have a job. You have to do this, you have to do that. I'm gonna, this is your apartment now. But like, I don't wanna hear about you spending all your money on like going out every week or like, what are you talking about? - I'll tell you why, 'cause I think you have to have drive and I don't think that you can coerce drive. I think it has to be something that comes from within that has the environment to build itself and to being able to happen in the first place. And here's what I mean by that. I would totally let my kids after college live in the house so they don't have to pay rent and stuff like that, which I think is a huge advantage. By the way, that is the only reason this podcast exists. - Exactly, use it. - My parents, like I went and lived on my own for five years, had all these rent bills and shit and then the pandemic happened and my dad let me move back in and I built a studio there. I could never have afforded a fucking rent on a studio to build this show for years. I would totally let my kids do stuff like that. But the whole concept of like paying for your kids' lifestyles and things like that, there needs to be, I don't know, maybe my opinion would adjust on this but it never has to this point. There needs to be some level of like actually creating something yourself, having drive, going out there and getting it without having the backstop of like mommy and daddy will pay that bill for me. You know what I mean? There's, dude, I've never carried debt in my life. I remember 2022, I literally had zero dollars and my computer snapped and it was a whole thing and I was like, oh my God, and this is when I was making crazy shorts and it was like reliant on growing the show. And I had to go to someone really close to me and very sheepishly say, you know, you could spot me a few thousand dollars to get this laptop. I'll pay, they're like Julian, are you fucking, of course, yeah. You don't even have to pay but I paid that shit back in 28 days. Like I don't want to owe anyone anything. Of course. You know, and there's just something about that and not and gamifying it so that you don't know that you have that or something that's so special. Yeah, I think you, like I completely get your point of view. I guess I'm just trying to think now, I mean, like I pay right. I don't, it's not like my parents gave me an apartment that I live in. But I think to myself, if like you had that ability, wouldn't you do it for your kid? But I'm out of, I'm out of father. So I don't know and I think you, but like, and that is right, how do you make sure that he does in or she doesn't lose that drive? And maybe I have the drive because it's like, I have to pay rent at the end of the month. And I've been very lucky and I've made it far enough. We're like, I'm not thinking about rent at the end of the month, but you are theoretically. It's like, no, I have a job. I have to do this that the other. But I think giving the kid the advantage and knowing that you raise them right for the first 18 years, they're going to take advantage of it. But I also hear your point of view. It's a tough question that I'm going to have to actually answer and really live through and understand when I am a parent. And that is the thing, we are talking about a hypothetical here. I have some strong opinions on that because I've seen both sides of it to where like I see other kids where it goes really bad or the parents do it right and it goes really well. And the ones where I see it go really well are where the parents are like, oh, you're on your own. And you know, that doesn't, when those kids have the advantage of growing up and they have things that other kids aren't blessed to have, roof over their head, food always there. Clothes on their back, no questions asked. They don't have to go get a job when they're 11 or something like that. - No, I mean, you know what I mean? - Even that, and that's something, or am I my self, but like even that is like you're in top 2%, 3% of the world. - Absolutely. - And that's enough. - And that is an necessity, that's like almost, like it feels like that's required in America. And I think that should be. But the privilege that exists in America, even, and that's easy for me to say, but I just mean just in general, like we are, like you don't, and that's why I try to expose myself to washing things and hearing stories. We don't understand, if you've never been there and you, like I mean, probably Kierka knows a lot more. It's like, there's tens of millions of people that are born, are hundreds of millions of people, billions that are born into a life, they won't make, yeah, $10,000 in their life, American dollars. - Yep. - It's insane. But we like, that's why, and that's not to say, you shouldn't ask for more of the society that you live in, but it is crazy that, I mean, that's another thing. It's like, yeah, your zip code that you're born in is so important. - Yes. - And it's very, and that's one other thing I locked out on. That's why I'll always say, yeah, privilege. But I don't know what I would do. It's a, and maybe along the way, you kind of answer those questions. And you get to, because you answer questions right now with people that you trust, those people will have kids, they'll go through things, they'll see things. I also think there's very important things along the way. If you know it's not that ability to make sure that you have to make ends meet to get food on the table, maybe it's like you're gamifying it, and that's why I think sports are so important. Even if you're not that good, my kid's probably not gonna be fucking very good at anything, in terms of like, he'll high school. But it's very important to get involved with it. - Yeah. - And also I think the camaraderie of it, the teammates, the, no, that's a huge thing, because you get to know, especially as a guy, I'm sure it's important for girls too, but as a guy, if you never were part of a team, you're fucked. - I agree. - Even if you weren't even that good. But like if you, and like, you kind of get a camaraderie with like, oh, this sucks, but it's very important. And so that's what, but again, I don't know. - But. - We're gonna find out. - Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna find out, but. - You and I have this conversation, 20 years, not 20 years. - 20 years, but then I mean, like, I think about it again, my parents are in from Brooklyn, and they elevated themselves in ways that their brothers and sisters did as well. But I grew up in a way that was very privileged, and I feel like they made sure to make that I was not somebody that thought, like, I'm not here sitting here with the quote unquote success on social, saying to myself, oh, I deserve that. I like, I'm someone that's thinking about, oh, like, what could go wrong? And I think they did it in a really good way. So they probably, and I'm sure you could do that, and that's something that happens throughout their younger years. And if you can help them in their years when they're out of college, especially in this weird economy that we're living in, it's only gonna get worse. It may be valuable, but it may not. - Yeah. - And I guess that's probably the question that you asked as yourself, the parent, as a parent, every single day when you have decisions. Should they, and it's like, should you be very strict about who they hang out with or not? Is it valuable to have them fall on their face? And it's like, oh, is it valuable for them to be in the wrong group? And then that group takes advantage of them, and then you're like, hey, this is what happens. Or do you try to, yeah, I don't know. - It's, yeah, I mean, look, like I said, I have like these ideas that are stolen from ideas of seeing things that worked or didn't work in the past that I feel strongly about, but I'll know when I'm in the position. Hopefully I make the right calls, you know what I mean? But it's the hardest job in the world, but it's the most important job to, and it's something I really look forward to doing. But you also, the number one thing is, You have to find the right one. Yeah, holy shit. Do you got to find the right woman because you guys aren't gonna agree on everything? That's not life like you're gonna have disagreements, but you have to have a similar At least philosophy on life and North Star in a way You know, and it sounds like your parents had that my parents. I was lucky They certainly have that and like I think that's a huge advantage in and of itself when you have parents who like get it And you know again, no one's perfect But like they get all the important stuff right like that's like being halfway down the third baseline in life. Yeah Thank you guys for checking out this clip if you haven't already subscribed Please subscribe and hit the like button on this video It is a huge huge help and if you'd like to check out this clips full podcast episode that link is in the description below Or right here and finally you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below