Pawson Twins: The Truth Behind “Crazy” Parkour Jumps

I don't see myself stopping park or unless I didn't have arms and legs, you know. I've been in Brazil and we're just like talking about park or two completely different languages and we understand each other. I'm not going to be able to execute this, but I'm also not. I don't have to die. Forky concrete is the worst. You can't grip it at all. It's like you're going to die. I'm Slebomasticala. After over 25 years of broadcasting, the world of action sports I have seen an over abundance of wrist-taking. But wrist has many faces. It doesn't just live on the mountain or in the half-pipe. It keeps the billion over the sky. Land. The sea. And a thousand places in between. Embracing wrist is like signing a contract with yourself. You have to put a piece of you off to the side and lay it all on the line in order to do what you love. And in this season, I'll be traveling the world to meet some of the most exceptional people on earth who have signed that very contract. People who have built a personal relationship with wrist and body and performance at the highest level. Welcome to the Team Ignition Show. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of the Team Ignition Show. My name is Salona Masachella, your host. And to my right, the parkour twins. You are twin brothers, legends in the parkour space, gaps, step-downs, ledges. What am I missing? Oh, like there's so many different moves in parkour. You named a few of them. Yeah, you named a few of them. Just a handful. Basically, you are two of the best athletes in the parkour space, not just here on this giant island of Australia. But in the world, you are internationally known. Millions and millions of views on all of the socials, millions of followers. You're a very big deal and you've chosen to sit down and have a conversation with me about your passion, your love parkour. Thank you, gentlemen. Oh, it's where I started to just be here to talk about parkour. So, yeah, we've been doing it for like 17 years. And I feel like for a specific movement that we do, in particularly, 180s, I feel like that's where we've really made our mark within the sport. Like if you look up parkour when 80s in the dictionary, you'll see both our names there. You guys are legends in your sport in parkour. And you're not only legends as individuals, but your legends as brothers, twin brothers in a sport that is very individual. So, right off the bat, I'm just curious how you balance that out. What kind of power is it gives you in a world that for the most part is like, it's all about me. I mean, you guys are all about we. Yeah, I think that's why we've been able to get so far in parkour is because we have the both of us. If one person's doing a challenge and I'm either watching or filming, it's almost said I'm doing the challenge when he does it, I just know that I can do it quite quickly after. So, having that twin aspect while we train is like, it's an edge for sure. Yeah, it is. Yeah, we just bounce off each other. I don't know whether or not you guys relate us or not, but you completely finish each other's sentences like on the regular. Yeah, it's your superpower. Does it give you an ability, I imagine, to critique each other or see where they have an ability? You know each other that. Yeah, 100%. Dylan's fully focused on a challenge and I know that he's got it. I'm not going to step in and be like, "Oh hey, are you sure you're ready for this?" I won't try to get in his head, but if there's something that's like, "I'm missing." I'll completely be like, "Hey, bro, now, just chill for a minute. Maybe think about this." Because you know if you hear that from your brother as opposed to someone else, he really means it. Then it means, "Yeah, you're going to listen to that." It's very rare. It doesn't happen all the time. I'm curious what your relationship was like as kids before you got into Parkour. How did you interact with each other? What were you into? Oh, it was just everything we would do. We were always doing together. No matter what it was, if we're doing rugby league, we're playing like Target school, playing handball. We just did everything together since a very young age. It's just been like that for ages. Who started the parkour? I was like a week before him. Then I watched a random video on YouTube. I thought it was pretty fun. There wasn't many videos. Not a lot, but I just thought it was cool. Then I did a couple of sessions by myself, I think. Nothing crazy. Then a week later, I was like, "Come on, let's go do some parkour together. Let's go climb this wall." Ever since we just hooked ever since. That was it. As an outsider looking in before that bit of practice that I got the training that I got to do with you guys today, I didn't understand it. Then I was just like, "Oh, this is non-stop problem solving with your body at an infinite level." That's where we find enjoyment as well. You get hooked into the amount of attempts that it takes you to get to that challenge. Say if it's like 10 attempts and you're like, "I just want to just one more until I get exactly what I want." It just makes all those attempts that you had before just so worth it. You just like, "Thank God I've got this done." I think you go home now. I wanted to get home kind of thing. They finished for the day. Those thousands of hours over all of these years, when you now go to approach something that for a regular civilian, it looks, "Oh my God, these are crazy people." What are you seeing when you walk around a city? I feel what are you seeing? For us, it's just so normal how we look at the city within our park or eyes. It's like never ending just thing that we're thinking about all the time. I could do this. I could jump here. I could do that. I could go up this. A lot of the time I'm like screen-shotting. If I got Google Maps open, I'll screen-shot. If I see a spot that I'm like, "I'm going to go back there." I just quickly screen-shot. Oh yeah, big up to Google Maps. We may be looking new challenges way easier than just being on the street. That is so cool. Shout out to Google Maps. You should make. There's a bi-sync. There's a partnership there. There is a spot map now that's been created of already park or spots. It has a map. It's like a spot generator as well. It can just tell you, if you've got so many spots in your city and you're just struggling to figure out where I'm going to train today, so just tell you where to go. That's kind of cool as well. From when you first started and you see this thing on YouTube, you're blown away, you pull your brother into it, and now you're doing it. To now, this next wave, this next generation of kids that park or parks and training centers that are popping up all over the world, even where I live in Southern California, it's become a really, really big thing. I have, you know, in the olden days, you had to pick one. Like my friends' kids would surf or they would skate or they would snowboard. And now that's like these kids' skate and they snowboard and they do parkour with the same passion that they do the other sports. As you see, it's starting to explode and grow. What do you think the future looks like? Because up until now, it's been rather niche and the most of the people who care about it are the people who do it and then the people who are sort of blown away and they're like, "Oh, that looks crazy!" And then they go back to their thing, but they're not into it. But it kind of reminds me of the rest of action sports, where your sport is now in that space where it's incubating to transcend and be something bigger. Yeah. Strayly is a bit behind with the world. With the world in the park or world. But over in Europe and America, there's just parks being built everywhere. And just the numbers of people that are training now is like it's going through the roof. Like it's insane. The growth on the park or stage around the world. I was in Japan a couple of days ago and they had one jam there and there was like 400 people there. Just on one day, just all training. Because they've got good indoor parks. And the instructors that are there, they train themselves in the community, in like outside, at really good spots. And they're just, their parks are just sick. Like I think if there is more parks, then like park or what is going to just keep driving. It'll just keep booming. Do you think that that is a perception problem by the powers that be? I read some place where, I don't know what the incident was, but there was an official, and like his official statement after one of you got in trouble was being like, I can't believe that these young people, these kids are out here doing these things. And he almost made it sound like you were a societal, like a detriment to society being out here, practicing what you do. Heart-stopping footage has emerged of young daredevils leaping dangerously through the air between high-rise buildings. Four young men on a gold coast rooftop They carefully step out of run up, a flying leap between Hi-Roy. No safety nets and most would say no common sense. Shocked, 100%. When you saw it, what did you think? I think very dangerous. If the group had fallen, the stakes are about as high as it gets. With a 12-meter drop straight down onto a concrete car park, I'm always concerned that people who are experts at this or supposed experts are going to give an example to young vulnerable minds who will then decide to have a go themselves. From society, I think it is out of the normal. We are doing abnormal things. They see the one clip, but they don't see the thousands of hours of what we've trained and dedicated our lives to. I think it's like a park or park and they can see people training their legitimately and then going into spots outside of a legitimate park in the streets. They have an idea that this guy knows what he's doing. I feel like in Australia, they'll look at people that are training on the street and just be like, "This guy is a little bit crazy." They kind of skip the whole training part of what we've done for thousands and thousands of hours. But I think it's like you look at gymnasts and gymnastics. Essentially, they're doing what we're doing, but we're just doing it outside. But they just skip the whole hours of training that we've done. They just think it's this five-second thing we've just done. We're just sending it for adrenaline and that we're not in control. But everything that we've done is in control. But I don't know. It's a good question. Listen, skateboarding went through the exact same thing. For me, growing up, we would get. The cops would pull over for you holding your skateboard and checking the surf. How did you get here? Did you ride your skateboard and try to write you a ticket? And now skateboarding is in the Olympics. What I see, parkour, and I see also ninja warrior culture, which leaks into. They cross a little bit over. Do you see that future for parkour where it could be on an Olympic stage? Right now, there's a whole. It's a whole blue pole rabbit hole in this. That opens up such big canoes, honestly. Please, we love worms. They're trying to take parkour into the Olympics. And put it into the Olympics, but under gymnastics. But we, as I think parkour, as it is meant to be more on the streets and it's a culture, we want it to be rather that puts it into the Olympics. So when snowboarding got into the Olympics in 1998, this was the same conversation that was happening. There were people in the core who were like, "No, we got to keep it." And then there was another side of people who were like, "No, this is going to help us grow the sport." Looking back, it was a really profound moment because it took a very, very long time for snowboarding to actually gain a voice into how it was presented at the Olympics. So I'm just not surprised that this is what you're going through, that's what happens with all niche sports. What is it about the parkour community that makes a kid go like, "Oh, I want to be a part of this?" That's different from, let's say, gymnastics. Now putting anything down from gymnastics, but. I think it's just because you're free to do what you want. It's more you, gymnastics is very regulated and you need to flip this way. You can't do this flip, this is banned, but with parkour, free running. You just side on what you want to do. Everyone's body is different, unless you're an identical twin. But when it comes to parkour and you're trying to move in a certain way, there's proper form and technique still with certain moves. But you can still adjust it to your body and how it makes it more comfortable for you. So there's that side of it where. There's different styles, like in skateboarding, other sports, people move differently, body shapes, the same with parkour. There's no real wrong way that you're doing it. When did things start to go from. we're good for kids from the Brisbane area, or we're good for kids in Australia to like. we can take this global. Like four years until we were at a level when we started where we're like, "Okay, we're pretty good." We got quite known in the Australian community through like doing like NuttGuard, which is like a national gathering. That's where everyone from around Australia meets up in a certain city for that year. And you made a name for yourselves. Yeah, we got known pretty quickly, like parkour twins. Yeah, because I think just how we moved was more like power moves and big jumps and being twins they just they just recognised I guess. Yeah, yeah. And then after that it was we went to Europe for three months with I think six mates. In 2015. And we had like one van and we just drove everywhere in Europe. We just bought a van, just went and did parkour. Got a van. Yeah, we bought a van, broke down twice, got it fixed, sold it, got our money back. So it all worked out in the end. We didn't pay a single day of accommodation for the whole community. For three months we small, that we could just message someone on Instagram and be like, "Hey, could we stay at your house?" Like that day. Yeah, and we just went there and then they would be like trained in that city. And they would put us up and then we would go to another city and then they would put us up. And then we just saw one and saw one. We didn't even plan it. And when we got there, day in day one, we were like, "Man, we're going to stay." Like we don't have no accommodation. And we just met a guy that trained parkour on that day and then he's just like, "Yeah, you can just stay with me for as long as you want." And then we just had a place for like, I think, two months in London. Yeah, just straight off the bat. It was there. So you bought the van, van paid for itself when you sold it at the end. You're not paying the standing one's house because you're just, you're finding people who do the thing. Yeah. And they're like, "No, we've got you." Plus, I imagine you're stacking all sorts of footage. Yeah. And we made a heap, say, YouTube videos. Yeah, that one is like, and that blew up. Yeah, it blew up. It blew up. Like they, in the parkour world, people were like, recognizing that we were at a good level. Yeah. That's so cool. I just love that it comes back to community. Especially in a world where like people don't really know what that is. Yeah. You find the thing that you practice that allows you the first time you, like you leave your home country and now you have community around the world. Like people in, "Oh, you do the thing that I do?" Yeah. I've got you. Like there's places I've trained that they don't speak English and they're just speaking Japanese, but we can still understand what we're talking about. It's like, it's such a, I've been in Brazil and we're just like talking about parkour and two completely different languages. And we understand each other. Like it's the same experience as when I've been to China. Like that Skylutter competition, most dangerous competition that I've done. Why? Because there's 999 stairs to the very top. And it's just so inclined that if you, like, trip on one stair, you just, you can't stop, but they built a whole parkour course from the top to the bottom. Yeah, from the bottom, right? And it's insane. It's just drop after drop after drop. So by the end of it, you can't walk. Like you're basically just collapsing. Yeah. And someone did like the. No, some guy fell off the course. On the guy who created like he designed the course. He designed the course. And he takes a massive drop to like. He fails. He, he, he fully just fell off the course. Face first. He like, smashes his face, breaks his arm. But he still gets up. He like, he still got up to try to finish it. But like, he just, he can't. And within like two weeks, he's with a car, he has a fracture. And he's training again. Like he's just training back again. Like he's, this guy's built different. Like he's not only dude. The danger. I think the, the thing that we talked about earlier in how it's perceived. It's just, it looks so, if you don't know anything about the work that you've done to do this, you just see crazy people. And I'm sure for like adults or people in positions of like control, it's like no. But the danger still remains. Yeah. What type of injuries have you incurred? What have you seen amongst your peers? For ourselves. We've been pretty lucky. Yeah. It's funny. We've had like similar injuries as well, which is really ankle injuries. We've had similar injuries to the ankle where we just classic roll your ankle. And then it will swell up and then a couple weeks, you know, you're back to, you know, going. Not for me. It took me like a couple of months because I had to get so. Here's one was a bit worse. To remove a piece of bone. Because the ATFL ligament pulled a piece of bone and then it was floating around and it just kept getting. Just getting in my, it just gets the bones. It was just getting caught in the joint. So like I would literally not even do a jump. I'd be walking down the stairs and it could just lock up. So I went to a specialist and I was like, yeah, we need to remove this piece of bone. And since I got removed, it was. You're cool. 100% all good. So that was the worst for me. And then for me, no, no surgeries. But we've had funny like he. You have fun. He tore his lat. Like he tore his lat here from your latissimus docile. Yeah. So you tore that. We do so many climb ups. like we're always just doing like diners climb up to 180s. - 'Cause like we forget how Lashay is. - Like fatigue we get. - That's what it's like with a Lashay. - Just swinging like you jump to a bar and then you swing to another bar. And it's just basically swinging between bars. - So you forget sometimes the manner which you're stressing. - Yeah, and I was doing a competition in Vancouver and I had to qualify for the competition to get into the speed comp for the skills as well. But like in three days prior to that I was just training every single day 'cause I was in a new city. I was just like hyped 'cause of everyone's there. And then did the competition like I'd qualified, got into like the final like speed round. And then just in like the warm up like prepping, I like jumped to a bar to like do a little Lashay and I just felt this like a tear in my lap and I went oh shit, like I'm like meant to be like about to go into like the final heat. And it was me and this other guy called Joe Hendo and he had won every single year for like three or four years and like the heats before it was like I beat him by like point one of a second and then he beat me by like point one of a second. And then I think I would have beaten him in this round but I like tore my lap so that was it. Yeah, but then the two years later I ended up competing again, he got injured and then I won that competition. So it was just like you and did Joe Hendo. He ended himself unfortunately 'cause he like rolled his ankle but if he didn't, I still think I would have beaten him anyway but we'll have to run it back like if he's training again, honestly like we should do it again. - You hear that Joe Hendo? - Yeah, it's a call out. - The people wanna see it. - Yeah. - You both did parkour, you twins, shared DNA, you shared a womb. Who's best at what? - For single movements? - I'm better. - No. - So it's that single movements. - Just only his own things come. - Powered movements and like when it comes to doing flips. - Yeah. - His awareness for flips is a lot higher, 100%. - I think no more for your strengths. I feel as in parkour control of like doing something that's like mentally hard, that's whether it's like one big jump, I feel he can put the big jump in a run and that's like a skill in parkour, that's really hard to attain and get to that point where you thinking that way of doing something hard but doing it in a sequence of other moves. That's what he's really good at. And I think that's why he was able to win some of the sport parkour league competitions is because he can put the big jump or a big move in a very long run and that's why he performed so well. 'Cause when I go to try to do that, I'm too used to doing one or two big things but not executing it in a long run. - It's why he's still in so good at doing skill competitions because it's like normally in those comps you're doing like one or two moves but you gotta execute it the way that it's been set. - Yeah. - You have to stick it or you have to like land on this wall in this particular way. So when it comes to for me to do that, I have to like dial it in more 'cause I'm so used to just moving for the next thing. - But then there's a whole other ballpark of like, how you're asking these questions is like, I don't know who has more send in him. Like if he's more sendy or I am, 'cause there's a whole. - Both take turns when it comes to like being sendy 'cause like the other day when I did the dive roll, like I knew that you could do it. So I was just like, if you're thinking that you can do it, like I know I can do it. - He beat me to a challenge while I was in Japan. Like, was this one I saw the roof? - Yeah, yeah. - It's like to rocks like that. - Yes, I saw that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - To the pebbles. - So you had to dive roll off a roof and you land on another roof. - Yeah, yeah. - And you do basically a front roll but what I saw when I watched it, I was like, those are rocks. - Yeah, in his back. But you came up like this. Like, yeah. And I was like, I'm not going to scream. What about the rocks, man? - We were both looking at that challenge and then he just happened to just beat me to it. - We were like, oh, we need to wear jeans and put a jumper on and like just, you know, padded out a little bit, like put the rocks, like make the rocks loose on soften it up. - Make it softer, but like it actually started to rain. So I was just like, I need to do it now. So, but it is soft enough. Like it doesn't look that soft, but the rocks actually, it takes so much of the impact. It's like an in between concrete and sand. It's like loose concrete. - There is give to it. - There is give to it, but yeah. It's more forgiving than this. - I've never heard anyone like try to like sell, sell me on like rocks being soft. Like no, you don't understand it. It'll looser, they're gavid in a way, but it's actually really pliable. If you hit it hard enough, they disperse. - Oh yeah. - So that you actually, just doing the jump, like this is like, no joke. If you just do the jump and you just like, - To your feet. - Yeah, don't hit it that hard and try to roll. It hurts your back. But like when I did the dive roll and basically like slammed onto my back, the rocks actually disperse. So I felt fine, didn't look, as like it didn't look perfect, but it didn't hurt. So I still take it as like a win. - If he's not injured and he can get a runoff, if you're celebrating. - I was wondering if you were like, 'cause he's just covering the pain. - You know like sometimes when an animal gets hit and they dig, they just, and then they find, I saw you and I was like, is he hit dog happy? Like is he like afterwards going to like be in the corner? - Just go to free time. - Just go to the camera off, I'm just, it's horrible. You have this relationship with your bodies to really understand what it's capable of with impact and there's like this whole physics play and understanding how the body can take impact, absorb, inertia, momentum, all these things that like you, like I said before, like it's the problem solving of it. You're like working out math equations that can kill you basically. - Well we more like, we do look at it, not, I wouldn't say scientific way of looking at things, but we definitely, there's variables and we need to measure certain things and know like textures of walls and if it's grippy, slippery, like there's a lot of factors that we do go into when we're doing more risk management of doing a certain challenge, 'cause it's, it could seriously injure us. So we wanna minimalize that as much as possible. - It's your going for a gap that's over a drop that you know that you could die on. Even if you like messed the take off, the take off, the momentum that you had is gonna, you should start all carry to make that gap unless you fully missed your foot. Like and for that to happen, it's, you shouldn't be there doing it. - Yeah, you didn't do the thousands of hours of practice. - So you basically learn how to bail on a trick. I don't have to die. There's always gonna be, I know that I'm going to make that gap. Like, if we're doing a challenge where it involves like the potential of dying, we're always sure of that if this happens, I will make it to this wall or this ledger, I'll land here. There's never been a moment where I've done a jump and I'm like, oh this is 50, 50. - Not gonna make it. - If I don't make this, I'm dead. I've never done a jump ever like that. It's, I think it's just silly. There's only one jump out of like thousands of jumps that I've done where I'm like, oh fuck. And that's like one jump out of thousands. I literally just, I overstepped the jump a little bit more than what I would have wanted. - Is that orange walls? - No, no, this is in Santorini. - Okay, oh yeah, to the window. - To the window. - Yeah, like if I had to overstepped the take off by like an inch more, I would have slipped and literally just gone straight into a little tiny glass window and the gap was like. - It's not over a death drop or anything. It's just over like a reasonable drop. Two, maybe two and a half stories, but it's like the way that you would bail that, you wouldn't be able to save it. So I was fine though. So that was the only moment where I literally in the air go, oh fuck. Out of like thousands of jumps. Like it's super low chance that actually happens. - I just love that you can say two and a half stories casually as if like that's a normal thing to fall from. Like again, this is with the 10,000 hours. And I also really love the fact that you're like, I don't go into the thing, not knowing how I'm gonna get out of it if it goes back. - Yeah, yeah. - There's not many jumps that I've done where it's like, if I don't stick this, I could die. There's always a way that you can even move down. - Even when we're not doing the challenge, we'll be doing certain things where I will turn and go to the drop and hang on and test the rail. And I would practice the bail of like what could happen and I will practice that as well, even before committing to the jump. Just knowing that it's out. - I know, I know. - I know. - I know the texture of the one. - If I'm like, 'cause imagine I don't prep it, it happens and I haven't done anything, I could just slip off 'cause the wall was slippery on the other side and I didn't practice that or prep it. So we prep everything, every variable possible, we try to prep. - I was really impressed today when we were at the 180 walls and you explained to me how this particular texture - Oh yeah. - Is it marble? - Yeah, marble. - Yeah, you're like marble to me, I see marble and I just think slippery. - Yeah. - And you're like, oh, actually marble more than any other texture. - That's what we first thought as well. - That's the grip. - We've brushed out. - That's why we didn't do it for so long 'cause we thought it's legit the most slippery surface. - But logically though, it does make sense for parkour people to figure out that that wall is more grippier than another wall 'cause it's all we do is we just, we just look at walls and just touch walls. - Yeah, so we do it every day. - So let's take like a purity test, like a gemologist, right? Let's look at the wallologists. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Let's go from the bottom up to like best surfaces. - Yeah. - The bottom would be like the dusty anti, like it's graffiti, you know where people graffiti on walls and they make it a texture of like a dusty wall so they can clean it off. - Yeah. - That's the worst wall. - Yeah, that's the absolute worst. - It's just concrete with that dust on it. - Talking concrete. - It's the worst, you can't grip it at all. It's like you're gonna die. That's the down, down the bottom. - Okay. - And then concrete's getting better and then I'd say like, but there is a thing where you do need to slip on the wall because if you do a jump where you're doing an arm jump where you jump from one wall to the other and you hit the wall, if it's too sticky, you're gonna grip and you can fall off the wall. - Or you can, or you can potentially break your ankles. - So you do need a texture where you're jumping to a wall that does allow slipping because it takes away the impact. So there is that as well. So you do need like a medium for certain moves you're doing. And then from brick onwards, it would probably go like painted wall. Like a painted non-dusty wall is pretty grippy. - Yeah. - And then probably wood walls that has got a like a laminate coat. Then after that it would probably then go marble. Is the top tier. - But like, marble is the day. - Yeah, but the UK brick, it's so much better than like, - Yeah, brick is like probably - The American Mid-Rick. - UK brick. - UK brick. - Like this something different about it. Like it's so much more. - Because it's built to last and their weather is more harsh. Here we just build shit out of it. - Our weather's harsh. - And it's like, so the brick over there, when you're jumping on it, it needs to be solid. And then that stuff just lasts forever, but ours is just, it's, yeah. We build it too quick and it just falls down in 10 years. - The next time you guys go to England, you're gonna be going through customs and they're just gonna be like, "Look at your passport, me like you're straight through." We heard what you said about our brick. (laughing) Thank you. Your 31 years old? - Yep, yep. - 31. - I'm not calling you long in the tooth, but you're not younglings either. - But we're definitely not spring chickens anymore. - Yeah. - In a sport where I see these young kids and they're insane. - Yeah. - I see 'em too. - And they've got no fear. And I imagine you might feel like you have a little bit of targets on your back in a healthy way that push you. - Yeah. Well, I'm still hitting NBDs in my 30s, so I'm like happy. - NBDs by the way, never been done. - Yeah, so like I'm still doing things that I, like, am proud of. So, in the day, I'm just like, as long as I'm still training and having fun, but like seeing other people train and just continue kind of like where we come from. - I'm more like happy seeing that there that there's progression in the sport 'cause I'd be more upset that there's no progress. - And I'd be like, oh, that's it. Like I'm more like, this is sick that there are people that are getting better and progressing faster than us. Like because that's like where we paved the way for certain moves so that the younger generation can go and do more. We would always talk about like, when's the next group of people that are gonna do what we did start in Brisbane? And there was another group that started and there is people still training, but they're not coming out to the big jams. There's still random people that are just jumping about. - But on the world stage though, it's like the progress is crazy. It's exploding. - It's exponentially, it's going through the roof. - And I also think that the sport is so young that you don't really know what the ceiling is. I mean, if anyone would have said in 1985 that Tony Hawk would still be skating for it at the level that he is and still be considered like the active Godfather, not like legend on the sidelines, but active Godfather still is. - He's doing it. - Of skateboarding, you would have laughed, but this guy's in his late 50s and he's still doing the thing at a very high level. There's a guy called Joe Scandrid and he, I gotta show you clips later, but he does like, his style of movement is like you could potentially do in your 60s or 70s. And it's like crazy moves. Like he'll be off the side of a building and drop and just catch a pole and slide down the pole and that is literally 100% just mental and you don't need anything physical other than just grabbing the pole. And his technique is just flawless though. But physically it's not doing anything to his body. It's like the strength of like an 80 year old grandma could do it like potentially. - So, I don't know. - No, it's like crazy. - I got strong 80 year old. Like if he does like so many different descents, it's not just sliding down poles, but like I just kind of compare it to like, kind of rock climbing. Like if you've got that type of strength and you're like descending yourself down rails in like the way that he does it, I can see this type of movement you could keep doing it into 50s, 60s type of thing. Yeah. - For sure. - What else is there for a professional parkour athlete at the level that you're at? Obviously you get put in commercials, you get endorsements, but like, how do you see yourself being able to continue to live this lifestyle without having to go out and get jobs outside of the space? - Well, yeah, for me personally, it's more going transitioning more into stunt performing in movies. So I kind of see that more as an avenue where I can still use the skills that I've trained over for years and years and go more into performing. - And you're doing it? - Yeah, I've done earlier couple movies, which is sick, like I did one already before I was graded. And then we both did that one together and then got graded and then I did another movie just recently for three months. - Awesome. - Yeah, yeah. Super lucky. Are you interested as well? - Yeah, since we both did a movie together, yeah, I'll eventually transition into that. It's at the moment because I'm like finishing my degree, well, I have finished my degree. I've just got all this time now, just to train more. - What were you studying? - Nursing. - No way. - So I've finished that and then I don't want to start practicing next year. I kind of just want to have a break and just train. That's all I want to do. - So do you have been in school for how long? - Three years. And then it was, I meant to do a grad year, like a grad, like a, just start next year practicing as a registered nurse. - Like a residency? - Yeah, for like a whole year, but I'm gonna delay that and just focus on getting graded and just training park Oregon. - So you get in your second win. - Yeah. - Do I agree? - That was just giving you your second win. - Yeah. - I got something to fall back on, but I'm not falling. - Yeah, I'm never gonna give up park or so. It's like I want to just continue doing it for as long as I can. - Two in grain. - Yeah, it can't, can't get rid of it. - Yeah. You say that like addicts. (laughing) - And I bet, I mean that as a compliment, if you're gonna be addicted to something, but literally I saw you start to twitch when you're like, I saw you picturing not doing it. - Yeah, yeah. - No, I can't, I can't. - You're gonna do it for as long as we can. - Until the wheels fall off, to be honest. - Yeah. - It's a truly, truly, truly beautiful thing. I mean, just to be able to have spent that bit of time today, literally touching concrete, concrete. I guess the touching grass of parkour, touching concrete and steel, like I felt it. I see how this informs the other things that I do. And I also just like, just was able to get a sense of the art of it, the personal expression, the depth of challenge, obviously, the word challenge is in there for a reason. - The focus and respect for it, 'cause if you land wrong, it's gonna hurt. - Sorry. - When I tell you on that first jump that you guys taught me from ledge to ledge, all I was thinking about was shins. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Do not catch the shins. - It's like almost better to hit the feet and land on your backside than the shins. - Like, the slip forwards is always gonna be better. - Yeah, the slipping to the shins, like, We've seen seen some Nali ones one with my mate Justin Louis It was the worst shinning that I've ever seen like it's like skin graph I had this part of his skin on top of the that shin so bad that he had to have a skin graph Yeah, where did it rip where did it rip from the middle of the shin and there's no meat there. Yeah, yeah It's just straight to the bone. Yeah, um, it was a real big Yeah, but he's made full-coverage. He's all good But they had the tech skin off the ads. Yeah to maybe on his leg or someone but they skin grafted over Yeah, that's how big it was. Yeah, but it didn't really phase him like when he bailed and like ripped open his skin It's kind of crazy story the first thing the first thing he said was like hey Sam Can you can you roll me a cigarette please? Can you just get me like he's fully ripped open and he's just normal like he's bleeding Yeah, he bleeding and he's all like oh, just get me a cigarette bro We're just like nah sit down man. We need to wrap that up. You could get in Because I wanted my perspective I was like I'd probably pass out if that happened to me So I thought he would pass out, but he just was like no, it's all good He's all good. I mean the pain didn't even kick in for him He was just like no painkillers. I don't want it because he can't I think this so he just can't take He's had experiences before with getting pain relief that just it wasn't good for him So he just took the whole the whole thing and then yeah, he just took the whole thing that shin Yeah, yeah to the shin straight to the shin, but you got to kick in your nursing skills This was before before actually started it's kind of what it's like throughout like training I've just experienced like other friends like taking them to the hospital Just like helping them and just going up to the hospital and just experiencing what nurses are doing it's it was pretty Inspiring but um that's what that's what drove you to just yeah, there was part of that was why I wanted to do nursing was just seeing that like Yeah, this is actually like I could you know make a difference kind of thing, but um Yeah, just I just remember just wrapping up his shin and then when the paramedics got there They were like oh yeah good job boys like good like for doing that because it was if you're the spot that he landed in Was just so dirty and just so like you just don't want to get any of like you can get bone infections quite easy Because it was straight to the bone, right, but yeah, we wrapped it up pretty good So yeah, and he's still training now, which is good. Have you had any friends? Have an injury Or take a slam that essentially retired them from the sport not anyone that I personally know. Yeah, same with me I've just heard stories of stories, but there no close friends or people that I train with have ever had that happen Which is yeah, it's good five years from now if you're able to sort of like close your eyes and where do you want to be in this life? still training parkour for sure Yeah, still still training parkour and hopefully have many more movies that I'm on like hopefully I'm higher Progress in where I'm going now it just keeps going and Chugging along there that's that's basically where I see myself going Yeah Living the dream already and just keep living the dream well have to come back and revisit this five years Maybe we have kids who might have like a set of twins on each lap That will be a four-time one. I'll start our parkour army. 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