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Pavlovian Dog + Spontaneous Generation

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Pavlovian Dog + Spontaneous Generation

The podcast features a lively, self-aware conversation between Benito and Mary Beth as they share humorous and heartfelt experiences from working in service roles—such as a brief stint as a waitress and a two-week job at a candy store in Idaho. These stories are woven with personal reflections on identity, job suitability, and emotional honesty. A central theme is the exploration of Pavlovian conditioning, where everyday stimuli like smells, fashion, or music trigger automatic physical or emotional reactions. The hosts use this scientific concept to illustrate how deeply humans are conditioned by their environments and experiences, creating a sense of shared humanity. They also promote various brands like crap eyewear, Hill House Home, Articule, and Bilt, highlighting sustainability, comfort, and financial benefits. The episode blends science, humor, and vulnerability, emphasizing personal growth, the importance of learning from past mistakes, and the value of human connection. Through playful storytelling and relatable anecdotes, the hosts celebrate both the absurdity and depth of human behavior, concluding with a reflective nod to our biological and emotional similarities—suggesting we are all, in some way, Pavlovian dogs.

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. I'm Benito Skinner. I'm Mary Beth Brown. And this is Rhyme. Welcome to another podcast studio across America. We're at the Geneva Convention. We're in Geneva. We're so, so excited and happy. And here's the thing. Oh, I did just fart. Sorry. That's so crazy. I'm so sorry. I'm like Melrose podcast. No, I know. And I'm so sorry. You farted at the Geneva Convention. No, but I farted at the Geneva Convention. But I would do that, though. You know what I mean? I do. I want to just tell them. And they've never seen someone say something like that. So they would just be like, what is this kid going to say? And then I would hit him with something globally. Right. But yeah, let us know if there's any other places you want us to come. I think I'm going to Cincinnati. Cincinnati. Cincinnati. I'm going to Cincinnati, my love. I'm going to Cincinnati. So I'm going to Cincinnati soon. Why? For a wedding. The cousins. Cool. Yes. This I got to see. It's wedding season. Let's get it, baby. So I'm excited. And I would love to see if there's a podcast studio there that I could check out and just see what the lay of the land is. Let us know. I'm making you laugh. I know. It's so fun. I love you. I love you. So I'm having major shoulder, neck and back problems right now. And I think that it's my galaxy brain is too heavy because I have a very small skull. And I think my brain's getting too big. And it's. Actually starting to hurt. It's swelling. It's like, I don't know what to do with all this. Mine is getting smaller. Cincinnati. Yeah, mine's smaller. That must be tough. I mean, I went on a run this morning and my back, it just kind of can't do that. But I love the feeling in the middle of a run. So. I don't run. It's just not for me. I know. I've been more just weight training. Pilates for me. See, this is that kind of dynamic conversation. It's why we have a podcast. It's why we monetize the friendship to bring you updates. Like, I don't really run. Yeah. Grab her by the brain. And that's a clip. Do you guys remember grab her by the brain? Because I sure do. I loved that because it was just like such an easy, just an immediate response for me is maybe just don't grab her. Just don't grab her. I think she would prefer just no grabbing whatsoever. Yeah. But if you want to grab her by the brain. Take some, please. I've definitely grabbed you by the brain. Mine's too heavy. Yeah. Come on. Take some, girl. What? Grab him by the ball. We just, that's where we end the podcast. Yeah. So I did want to come forward because I have so much respect for our men and women, women in uniform, waiters and waitresses. Yes. I wanted to come forward and just let everyone know that I was a waitress for one night at the nicest restaurant in the entire world. Madison Square Park, which I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it is where Big told Carrie that he was engaged to Natasha. I think it's called 11 Madison Park or something. 11 Madison Park. Yeah. What did I say? You said Madison Square Park, which is similar. Yeah. It's, it's these. The bones are good. The bones are good. The bones are good. I'm feeling really kind of like a zinger. Very zinger. So I. I'm electric, babe. I knew someone that worked there. This was when I had quit my full-time job to be a comedian. And she was like, we're looking for cocktail waitresses in the bar. So I went to Shadow for a day and Chelsea Clinton was there, which was obviously really cool. Of course. And then. What'd she get? Do you remember? I don't remember. Probably a tea or something. And onion rings. Total class act and onion rings. High tea, onion rings. It's her go-to. So I had to do like my like training shift that night. And I just. I just found that it really wasn't for me. And there were all these rules and you had to memorize the menu. And then. That I feel like you'd be good at. I. Yeah. But I didn't want to apply myself. Also working at night when you're a stand-up doesn't really make sense. Yeah. I'm in this shift and I'm thinking, well, at least we get to eat the food. Cause it's like the best food in the world. And then I find out there's something called family meal, which is where you eat with the rest of the staff, which is obviously amazing. But I just assumed we'd get to eat the food on the menu. Yeah. Coursed out. We have so much food. Like, why not like share it with the people? Working here. That's not how they do it in restaurants. So. I completed my one shift. It was eight hours long and I got in a cab and I just said, I don't think I can bring the reverence to this job that it deserves. And so I just never talked to them ever again. They didn't email me. I didn't get paid for the training. I think we just literally went our separate ways. And we said, I just don't think that's going to work. Let's call it. Let's call it. Let's call it. And that felt very mature. It's one of the most mature breakups I've ever been through. Yeah, definitely. It's. It sounds like that actually ended on really good terms. Mine didn't when I was because we were just talking about this. Well, we had revealed to each other that there were things we didn't know about. This was shocking. So we went to dinner recently. You were a little first stole. Yeah. We went to horses. Yeah. Just say it. Call a spade a spade. Went to horses. And we were there and you said this to me and I thought, I'm still learning about my wife. Like, how cool is that? Well, while I was working, I just thought, I want to eat here. I don't want to work here. Yeah, totally. And that's fair. I think it's okay to say that. Like, I just am not, I don't have, I don't have it in me to be a waiter or waitress. I don't have the strength, honestly. I think those are, especially in New York City, those are some of the bravest people we have. They are out there on the front lines. Absolutely. Also to do that. And they deserve tips. Yeah. Like. Oh, if you're not tipping, don't go out. Gold coins. If you're not tipping, don't go out. Don't go out. Yeah. So here's my thing. We're at this dinner and I realized that there are things I'm still learning about you. And I, I thought I haven't told her about my two week stint. Working at a candy store in Boise, Idaho. So I, I thought it would be cute. I, it's called Powell's. I think it's still there. The Glenn Powell family. Yeah. Well, of course. It's Glenn Powell's ice cream shop. You know, they've got their claws in all the states. Ice cream shop. Well, movie star, ice cream shop, ketchup brand. Oh yeah. I need to try his ketchup. I would love to try his ketchup. Next time I see him at an event, I got to try your ketchup. Hey, get over here. I know that Glenn Powell and I would have a fun little zinger fest back and forth. I think so too. I just hope. He could grab me by the neck. Grab me by the brain. I said, grab me by the brain, Glenn. I just hope I'm there for that. Me too. So here's the thing. I worked at this candy store for two weeks. I had a different thing in my head of what it would be like, but they play Willy Wonka all day. The movie? Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is on screen in the store with the music playing all day. To a point now where if it's like, come with me, I'm like, I have to, unfortunately. Leave. Someone. Yeah. I did that song and voice lessons, just so you know. Oh, good. It's great, yeah. For overcompensating. But I'll never sing it to you. Yeah, exactly. I feel like that's right in your register, though. It is. Come with me. I mean, I'm not going to do it right now. And you'll see. So I get there for the first day of work and I have in my head that I'm going to wear ice cream, like the brand that Pharrell had, the like Billionaire Boys Club offshoot ice cream. Because I'm kind of like, oh, I'm going to be like really styled out. Like this is going to be cute. And in my head, this is like so cute of me and kind of like, if people come in. Also, I don't know. I think a part of me was like also like there might be like a cute guy that comes in. There's a romanticism to the idea of having a job like a waitress at the nicest restaurant in New York and like the closeted gay guy that works at a candy store. Right. And I'm kind of like body was going crazy and I'm kind of like me scooping gelato. And then someone like comes in and he's just like, OK, I need who the hell was that? That didn't happen. Instead, it was kids stealing all day and I would have to go up and like confront them. And by the end, I was just like. Like, don't do this. Like, I can't I can't be here to see it or just like be better at it. That would be all. Please, please. So first day of work, it's this couple who owns it. And I assume anyone who would own a candy store would be nice. The guy was such a fucking prick. I can't even describe it to you when it's hot in the summer in Idaho. It is literally like one hundred and three degrees dry, like in the driest weather. Like it is so fucking hot. So it said like black pants on the thing. But I I know that within law, if you're not providing it, you can't require it. And so, you know, I kind of knew that. And so I said that and they were kind of like, oh, you know, I was just like, but. Elle Woods. Yeah, I'm like, but I I kind of like I don't really wear black that much. So I'm like, I don't have black pants like that aren't like slacks. And they were like, you have to wear the slacks. I'm like, all right. So I wore these like slacks. So already it's like my outfit is totally thrown off. Like I can't show off my calves. It sucks. You can't see my like cool socks that are flare. And it was just a total. It was a total bust already. So then. The the girls I was working with, they were in cahoots with each other and they they were like, you you're going to do gelato. You're going to you're so strong, like you're going to be amazing at gelato. And I was like, oh, thank you so much. Like, that sounds so cool. Like I, you know, do testers and stuff. Holy fucking shit. You have to clean all of it. You have to like the amount of tests. And now I really limit how many tests I do. And this is why I think everyone should work in the service industry at some point. Or one at least one shift. Because the sheer amount of like how fucking annoying it is when. Someone. Asks for like six flavors and then doesn't get one. I'm just like, oh, you have to be kidding me. But one day I'm in there and this woman goes, I'll try the lemon sorbet. And I was like, totally. I give her the tester. She looks me in the eye as she takes it and goes. That's just delicious. I almost completely busted out laughing in this woman's face. But I was just thinking to myself, my whole time I thought I was going to meet like a cute guy who came in here and kind of like fell for me. And then it would be like secret and we wouldn't do anything. But it would have felt cool to me. to have like a little flutter. side. Instead, I'm like, you know, Mrs. Robinson, which I kind of didn't mind. Like that was great too. But I'm like, what is this job? Mind you, this whole time, come with me. It's just always like, I can do the entire movie, like, like start to fin like, and one time I said, maybe we do the Johnny Depp one, just kind of shake it up. And they were like, problematic much, literally. That's what all they, they all said that at the time. But yeah, so then I quickly got another job as a Manny because it was just not, oh my God. And a teacher came in who worked at my school one day and he was like mad at me. I didn't give him the discount. And I'm like, they don't let me give discounts out. Also, are you giving me better grades for free? Exactly. Is this an exchange of services? Yeah. He was kind of saying this and I was just like, oh, I don't fuck with any of you. How much did the discount have been? That's what I want to know. And the girls I was working with were just like, not like, I just, I thought it would be like me queening out with these divas and they were not into me at all. Like they didn't really fuck with me. And I was so sad because I was just like, I have nothing, if not a heart of Dixie. And like, I think a lot of Risma and well, Riz and Kennergy. And they didn't see any of that in me. They just like kind of fucked me off and, and kind of were in their own vibe. And yeah, I was really happy to get out. Also, the owners of it had a camera that went to their house. So they watched us. So if we ever weren't working during the day, they would call. It was crazy. And on my last day to the woman who owns it, I was like, your husband's. Awful. And I'm so glad I said that. And she just kind of had to sit with that. And I was just like, I just want you to know, like, your husband's a really mean guy. Like I hated working. Whoa. I love that you said that. Which I'm so glad. I wonder if we're still together. I hope not. You should have asked them their biggest fight. She was lovely. I should have. I hope it was about that. Because like, I could tell she was kind of like, I love this, you know, this little fucker. But he was just, he wanted nothing to do with me. Until you walked a mile in our hokas, you just don't know what we've been through. So I crop dusted pals and I never went back. Should we get into what we're riding for? Yes, please. Today I will be riding for something I've been waiting to ride for, for a very long time. The Pavlovian dog. And I will be riding for spontaneous generation. You didn't even tell me that. Yeah. I've been wanting to do it with Pavlovian dog for a while. That was spontaneous generation. Yeah. 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And maybe get Pavlovian dog ready to go just in another tab. Spontaneous generation is a superseded scientific theory that held that living creatures could arise from non-living matter and that such processes were commonplace and regular. So it was hypothesized that certain forms like fleas could arise from inanimate matter, such as dust, or that maggots could arise from dead flesh. So maggots don't like come from the human body. They are attracted to the human body. So that's how they like get there. Dear media. Clip that. I mean, yeah. God, you'd be insane not to. I mean, it's like, I see the viral clip in front of me. Like you have to take it. Just please take it and run with it. Yeah. So what they did eventually was they, there were these scientists that wanted to disprove this as a theory. So what they did was they put raw meat out and they covered it. And because these certain people, they put raw meat in there and they covered it. And they covered it. And they thought that flies were born in reaction to raw meat. But it turned out that when they covered the meat, no flies were born. So they were able to disprove the fact that spontaneous generation was a thing. So I just love that we're like teaching about like our L's. Like that was wrong. Why are we still talking about it? But because like we learned and we grew from it. It's like Bay of Pigs. And it's like changing your mind. Literally. It's like, oh my God, we thought this thing was, was one certain way. But then we actually learned through like hypothesizing and testing. That that's actually just not what's happening. No, it's like so cool. It's like when people come for JFK, I'm like, yes, but he did go on record. And he was like Bay of Pigs, like my flop era. Totally. Which I think is so, it's kind of fabulous. When do we really see that? I would say not ever. Humans acknowledging their flop eras, either as a whole or the individual, maybe that's really what the lesson is here. And it's part of owning your history as well. I just think it's funny to like teach a bunch of kids about something that's just like not true and be like, and it's not true. That's kind of cool. Yes. And we can learn from our past and just say like, well, yeah, we, we actually thought that thing was one way, but it's not. And to just be like, how cool is it to know that now? And that we went through the processes and we checked this out. Cause let's see this through. Let's see it through. Yeah. I think that's amazing. Those are the kinds of science things that I just get from start to finish. I just know exactly what that is. And I could write such a perfect little answer on a test for it. Well, it's closing the loop. I mean, how cool is it that it's not a theory it's proven. And I mean, don't make me bring up 6.02. Three times 10 to the 23rd, because so much of science is theory. It's, we don't know. These numbers are so big. We can't. can't possibly even really calculate them. So to have something that's like a physical experiment that we could do, we can apply the scientific method. I mean, I can only hope that Galileo would have been proud of what these guys accomplished. Well, he'd be proud of his great, great, great granddaughter. I know. His little galaxy brain. Grab her by the galaxy brain. Wait, can that be merch? Please. Wait, someone just make that. We don't need to do it. No. Someone make it and put it on Etsy. Put that on Etsy, please. Yeah, go to town with that. No, this is amazing. Like we have to acknowledge our flops and our hypothesis that are wrong. Like when I thought that at a certain point, like if an event has too many people, that how could you possibly have security for it? But Copacabana has unbelievable security. I have come to know this and I am so glad that I know this now because we're coming. We are coming. Carnival. We're coming. But it really blew me away when I said this on Jake Shane's when we were talking about Copacabana, which as always, you, you know better. I've read my wife. That was better. I read articles. How did you know about the security there? Like this is just something that, and I kind of say this for everywhere. I thought this was just kind of everywhere on earth, which I think is just like my ignorant American Western brain. Hate it. Well, there are certain things that are unfathomable. I hate it up here. That two million people in one space is unfathomable. I'm like, I just, oh my God, that event in America. Oh mama. So after the unfortunate tragedy at Astroworld, I did read a lot of articles about how large events manage people. Mm-hmm. And they keep people safe. And there are events that is so much thought and planning is put into, and they actually look at the numbers again. Brazil, we love you. We love you so much. We're coming to Rio. We're coming. We're totally, yes. There are practical uses of science, much like in disproving spontaneous generation, which by the way, was like the prevailing thought of how life was created for like two millennia. Yeah. Until these scientists came in and said, like, we actually think that that's not true. So yeah, use science in a practical way if you can. That's all I have to say about that. And it's okay. It's okay to reflect upon things that we once thought were true, like how I used to be Republican. Yeah. You said all this when you quit Eleven Madison Park. I did. I'm going to apply science here and I'm going to say that it's just like molecularly, it's just not right for me. And I saluted them and I thanked them and I shook all their hands. And that's all I have to say on that. Yes, chef. Yes, chef. So speaking of yes, chef, I am going to talk about the Pavlovian dogs. I'm excited. These fucking hounds have got me just all my panties in a wash. They've got you by the neck. They've got you by the brain. They've got me by my freaking brain, dude. Can you pull up just like a little background on the original? I just want to have the dates just in case. This will be the only fact I check. It's Pavlovian dog. Of course I will. Just a little, yeah. I like that I never use my phone in it. I just think that if I did, I know I'd see a text that stresses me out. I know. Do you know what I mean? I do. And I'm happy to take that on. Classical conditioning. Yeah. Also known as Pavlovian conditioning is a behavioral procedure in which a biologically potent stimulus, for example, food, a puff of air on the eye, a potential rival, is paired with a neutral stimulus like the sound of a musical triangle. The term classical conditioning refers to the process of an automatic conditioned response that is paired with a stimulus. It is essentially equivalent to a signal. The Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov studied classical conditioning with detailed experiments with dogs and published the results in 1897. Was it with German shepherds, I believe? In my head it was. Don't look that up. Okay. We're not looking it up. So I found out. I found out about this when I was in middle school, I believe. This was brought up to me. And at the same time, there was an episode of The Office that did a Pavlovian dog. I mean, whoever pitched that, real recognized real. But it was something where John Krasinski's character did something with Dwight where every time he turned on his computer, he like offered him a mint or something. And then one day he didn't. And then Dwight had like a dry mouth. I just think this is so, we are animals. We are miracles. And it's just so, I don't know. I think this is so incredible. It's such a, it's, it's power grabber by the brain because there's just so much power there. This is one of those things that I just exactly like what you said, that scientific combustion. Spontaneous generation. Exactly. So I would have killed that test. But I just immediately, I'm like, I get this and I feel this. And it's so crazy when like a scientific method you can feel in your real life. Like when I step foot in the Cinemark North Hollywood, my tongue gets a little dry back here, like where my, my glands are. These start to swell a little bit. They need a Coke motherfucking zero to quench that. And then the second I quench it, then my taste buds come in and they go, we need popcorn. We need a freaking watermelon Sour Patch Kid. It's like immediately with smells and these triggers. And I think the stimuli is just the popcorn smell you're in and you're like, boom. And seeing Paul Mezcal's costume from Gladiator too. That to me, it's, it's those immediate signals that you see and you go, boom, you go, whoa. Oh my God. Well, I think it's so, first of all, when we explained to Terry that you were going to ride for this and you explained what it was, he goes, well, duh, obviously we were like, they train these dogs for their mouths to water or something. Like it's a physical response to something like a stimulus. I'm glad that the world is just so obvious to you, but I find whimsicalness everywhere. Whimsicalness. Whimsicalness and whimsy. I find whimsy in everything still. I don't know how we got conditioned for this. And I know this is a, it's not just me. It's not a singular experience, but I know there is a group of people that when they walk into a Barnes and Noble, they have to take a shower. Whoa. Something about the feeling of being in a Barnes and Noble. They have to take a shit. Mine, I need a Frappuccino. Do you get that? Oh yeah. Oh my God. I was at Monkey Bar here. Have you ever been to Monkey Bar? I don't think I have. Which it was so funny. After I was there, I watched the Sex and the City episode that they're at Monkey Bar. She's there with Big. That can happen. Yeah, it can totally happen. Just like Eleven Madison Park. But behind me, there was a painting of all these, like, it was very Midnight in Paris. Sorry. And I, everyone was like, oh my God, that painting is so cool. And I was like, yeah, it's very Barnes and Noble. And everyone was like, ouch. But I'm like, do you know what I mean? The Starbucks always had, like, all these, like, writers. And it felt very Midnight in Paris. I don't know. It was like Pablo Picasso next to, like, Sylvia Flath. F. Scott Fitzgerald. Yeah. Exactly. Next to Suzanne Collins. I don't know something about this. I just think it's so fun that you feel it out in the field. And I think, yeah, I wish more people felt the need to have mints. I got mints from a car I was in the other day. Great. The driver had mints and I brought mints because I thought you might want one later. And I was right. You were so right. I had them in my bag. Well, I felt, oh my God, we were at the Gotham's and which, I mean, my God. We had fun. Gotham's finest, sweetie. We had fun. You are. You were so, I'm glad we didn't do accents, but a part of me wanted you to say, you know. I know. You know, I got these. I know. Scars. Scars. Scars. And I was going to be Bane. I just want everyone to know, but I thought maybe you couldn't hear me. Gotham. Right. Is how I wanted to start it. I was born in the dark. You invented it. Tom Hardy, come on the pod. Please. We would love to have you. He would have the time of his life here. We would welcome you with open arms. Yeah. Attention renters. All my girlies are moving and I know they're renting. Wait, that is so funny you say that. Yeah, literally. My legendary barista was telling me that she's moving and I was just like. And I know it's moving. Wait, yeah. 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Simply Pop tastes like it looks but better with all the juicy fruity flavors you love from Simply. I personally love strawberry. Duh. That's kind of like what makes up my innards. And when you add the six grams of prebiotic fiber to support gut health. Come on now. My favorite is the pineapple mango. Vacation love. Pair that with zinc and vitamin C to support immune health and you just can't beat it. And I never would. Find Simply Pop and any of its five juicy flavors. By visiting us online at cokeurl.com slash simply pop. That's C-O-K-E-U-R-L dot com slash simply pop. Well, we've trained all the Barone's all kinds of things. Let us know the Pavlovian. I am a Pavlovian dog. Someone I was just going to say this on the Gotham red carpet. Someone said ups and I almost to them yelled bleep it. And I'm like, oh, wait, I can't do this out in the field. So these are the things that make me feel like human and that we are all human. All connected because this is crazy, like that you can have a physical response and internal. body response to something that you have trained yourself. Look at us with coffee in the morning. I know. It's just like, you can see it through your whole day. It's like a smell will make you feel this way as you'll start to salivate. Your nipples will go hard, you know, by the chilliness of the air conditioning. And you know that something crazy is about to happen. Or, you know, you'll feel a pang of internal pain when someone walks by you wearing the same perfume as your ex-best friend. Things like that. Misty or Cherie. Misty or Cherie. Of course. Oh my God. I think the first time I really experienced this was as a kid. I would walk into Abercrombie Kids and smell Chase, the cologne, and I'd be like, I have to shop. Yeah. I have to ask my mom for everything in the store. There is a Pavlovian response in the Abercrombie store. Abercrombie, kind of like very much a part of their business practices is Pavlovian dog. Can their baronies let us know on the Reddit or otherwise, like what are some of your Pavlovian responses? Because I would just be so curious. Yeah. What are your little things? Like mine, I think in the morning, it's definitely coffee for me. I need that. If I'm with you, there are some things, like I have coffee. I have to go to Miu Miu. When I'm in LA, I need to order the catsuit chicken from Tender Greens. Yeah, definitely. Oh, if I smell like sunscreen or something, I need to rub like sand on my feet. Wow. Isn't that weird? We have to go to the beach this summer. Me too. Yeah, I know. Everyone's like, what are you and Terry doing for vacation? I'm like, he's busy, but I'm going to take the wife somewhere. Yeah. I can't, I personally can't wait. I think we should go to like Mykonos or something. Yeah. Like I want, I just want like- Peak season, not off season. Peak season. I want one baronie to be like, you guys vacation together? I want to go there in a thong bikini. And I'm always in like really low, like I'm really getting the like- The James Bond. The cum gutters out. Daniel Craig, yeah. I didn't know what else to call them. There are, that's what they're called. Cum gutters, right? Yeah. Oh, I'm glad we could talk about that. But yeah, I feel like, oh, us on a vacay. I have a Pavlovian response to cum gutters. Yeah. I won't say what it is. Can I say, oh my God, we had a great conversation about this recently because someone was talking about deodorant and like all this, you know, BO and stuff. And finally you and I could have a second to just sit with each other and say, I think I just got a little BO. I really like it. I like it too. A little bit. I think it smells really good. It shouldn't be radiating off of you. Well, of course not. I shouldn't. If I'm close enough to you, I want to be able to smell it. I'm not talking sweat tour. No, we're not talking crash tour. Wait, I love that when we're at the UN, we had to do these very serious topics. No, it's just like, I want to smell that maybe you tried to put deodorant on and maybe a little bit of a spritz. Or you've been out all day. Oh, and I want to say one thing. Oh my God. It literally like, do you see me? I'm like, I'm totally animalistic right now. I have a Pavlovian response to guys who are wearing t-shirts that are a little bit too small because I think every straight man could be buying t-shirts a size down. You taught me that. And when I put on a little tee in front of my wife, you kind of go. I have a Pavlovian response. The German shepherd dumps how it sits. Yeah. I just think like you guys could be doing yourselves more favors. I just think straight men, whatever t-shirt size you think you are, buy a size down, try it out, go for a walk and just see what the response is. Because I think it's going to be overwhelmingly positive. Yeah. I got a couple of little titty tops for you recently. I think you're going to love them. You have a Tom Ford black t-shirt that I still think about with a gold chain and a wide leg pant. When I whip that out, you're like, is your toast girl. Also give your straight friends and boyfriends permission to buy wider leg jeans. I think some men are clinging on to skinny jeans and you just don't have to. It's more comfortable. It's not a critique and whatever people want to wear is up to them. I just think it's never a critique. Never a critique. Allow yourself to buy a wider leg pant. Get used to how you feel and look in them and then just see, just see what happens. I've gone so wide and someone commented, Benny, you need to figure out how to wear really wide pants. And I'm like, I think I kind of have, but that has to be a sarcastic, but I'll take the note. No, that has to be sarcasm. Yeah. Cause I'm like my pants get bigger and bigger. Like if I, let's just say if I fell out of a plane, I'd make it down. Okay. I think so too. And it'd take a while, but I know you haven't watched the rehearsal season two yet. We can't talk about it. We can't talk about it on the pod because it's been too recent, but I'm excited to hear what you think. I can't wait. He is a genius. He really is. We'd love to have him on the pod. Yes. I'm sure he would love, I mean, yeah. I think we, here's what I love about the pod that I realized when we were editing it last week, we referenced the podcast so much while we're doing the podcast. Yeah. And I think that's really cool. Yeah. It's like, um, it's self-referential. Yeah, exactly. It's very like rat in a way. And break the fourth wall. It's very fleabag. We're always referencing what we're doing in the moment. Of course. And I, I didn't know. I'm like, do other podcasts not do this? I don't know. I wouldn't know. See, I also don't know what ads are like on other pods. So don't tell me. We will never know. Yeah. Unfortunately. You know what you are, Mary Beth? Bisexual? Well, yeah, but you're also my ride or die. Ride or die. I ride so hard for spontaneous generation. I think it is so cool to just be like, fuck, well, that's not it. So that just happened. Oh, wait, the boss coming in and hey, so how'd it go? And we, we were wrong, sir. Oh, boy. We were wrong. We were so wrong, sir. Wait, someone. Oh, my God. Marilyn Monroe. Well, of course, this is a scene from Some Like It Hot. But it was so funny. In London, someone asked me a Baroni, which, oh, my God, the Baronis who came to the London event. Oh, my God. I love you, kids. I'm still talking about London. What the hell, dude? But someone there goes to Emma Watson here. And I was like, I don't think I can do it in front of you. It's like, if I was hearing it to him, I'm like, I've never seen a real maggot before. I've never been to a loose party before. Oh, my God. This is so interesting. Like, oh, my God. I'm so excited. I might go to Cape Cod. So it'll be Emma Watson going to Cape Cod for the second time. And that's gonna be huge. Well, I just hit the mic with my chin. I know. I want to know what the discourse is. Actually, no, actually, I don't. Good. And we're keeping all that. We're keeping that. But yes, I think spontaneous generation is incredible. I love that it has a finite period at the end of it. We're done. We figured it out. It's an era. Yeah. And I get where they were coming from. It does feel like maybe bacteria would have like done that. I don't know. Or something. I'm like obsessed with skin, obviously. So it's like bacteria can do all kinds of crazy things that I'm learning about. And it's a real bust. Rosacea alert. We'll talk about that in season six. But I'm so, so deeply excited you brought this to the table that you always teach me about some of my next favorite scientific experiments. But what do you think of mine today? I ride for the Pavlovian dog again. I just think it. What we really need to be thinking about in these trying times, these chaotic times is like we are human and like we need more togetherness and unity. We need more common experiences. I think when you can relate to people, you can really see their humanity on a scientific molecular level like we are all equal. So I just think things like this to me, I'm like it all ties back to just like the humanity of it all. We're all Pavlovian dogs. We all overcompensate. And we our DNA is not that far from a banana. I want you to think about that. The DNA of a banana and dear media clip. This is so close to the DNA of humans. I think it's closer than humans to butterflies. Like, so that's some shit that if you ever say some shit like that on my podcast again, I'm going to have to grab you by the brain because you're just too smart and you're making me feel uncomfortable. Oh, oh, I assume you want to pay for dinner too. Love you. We love you guys. What would be our little sound? I think when we say Taika, they probably salivate. I would love to have a Pavlovian response with the baronies. And I don't know if we'll ever get there where we say something that they have a sexual response to. I think I can think of a couple of things. My name is Fendi. Oh, my exit. Benny, babe, eyes on the road. Benny, look out! Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The hosts share personal anecdotes about working in service industries, including a one-night stint as a waitress at 11 Madison Park and a two-week job at a candy store in Boise, highlighting their reflections on job fit and personal values.
  2. They discuss Pavlovian conditioning as a scientific concept, connecting it to real-life sensory triggers like smells, music, or fashion that evoke automatic physical or emotional responses.
  3. The episode humorously explores "Pavlovian" reactions to everyday experiences, such as coffee, t-shirts, deodorant, and beachwear, emphasizing how humans are deeply conditioned by environment and memory.
  4. The hosts promote several brands—crap eyewear, Hill House Home, Articule, and Bilt—offering discounts and emphasizing values like sustainability, comfort, and financial empowerment.
  5. A central theme is self-reflection and growth
  6. The podcast highlights human connection through shared vulnerabilities, such as misaligned expectations in jobs or relationships, and celebrates the universality of emotional and bodily responses.
  7. They emphasize the importance of accountability, truth, and learning from mistakes—whether in science, personal decisions, or relationships—with a lighthearted yet insightful tone.
  8. The show concludes with a playful nod to human biology and shared origins, suggesting that all humans are emotionally and biologically interconnected, much like Pavlovian dogs.

Summary:

The podcast features a lively, self-aware conversation between Benito and Mary Beth as they share humorous and heartfelt experiences from working in service roles—such as a brief stint as a waitress and a two-week job at a candy store in Idaho. These stories are woven with personal reflections on identity, job suitability, and emotional honesty. A central theme is the exploration of Pavlovian conditioning, where everyday stimuli like smells, fashion, or music trigger automatic physical or emotional reactions.

The hosts use this scientific concept to illustrate how deeply humans are conditioned by their environments and experiences, creating a sense of shared humanity. They also promote various brands like crap eyewear, Hill House Home, Articule, and Bilt, highlighting sustainability, comfort, and financial benefits. The episode blends science, humor, and vulnerability, emphasizing personal growth, the importance of learning from past mistakes, and the value of human connection.

Through playful storytelling and relatable anecdotes, the hosts celebrate both the absurdity and depth of human behavior, concluding with a reflective nod to our biological and emotional similarities—suggesting we are all, in some way, Pavlovian dogs.

FAQs

The term 'Pavlovian dog' refers to classical conditioning, a concept first studied by Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov in the 1890s. He discovered that dogs could be conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell, which was previously neutral, after being repeatedly paired with food. This demonstrates how a neutral stimulus can become a trigger for a physiological response.

People often experience Pavlovian responses through automatic physical or emotional reactions to stimuli, such as salivating at the smell of coffee, feeling excited when seeing a favorite brand, or reacting strongly to a familiar scent or sound—like a specific perfume or song—that triggers memories or desires.

Spontaneous generation was the outdated theory that living things could arise from non-living matter, such as maggots from rotting meat. It was disproven by experiments showing that covered meat did not produce maggots, proving that life arises from pre-existing life, not from inanimate matter.

The speaker describes working at the candy store as a 'mature breakup' because they realized they didn’t have the emotional or physical strength for the job, despite initial romantic expectations. The experience ended on good terms, with mutual respect and honesty, highlighting personal boundaries and self-awareness.

The podcast promotes brands like Crapeyewear (affordable, eco-friendly sunglasses), Hill House Home (soft, baby-onesie-style sheets and pajamas), Articule (mid-century modern furniture), and Bilt (rent-to-points program for travel rewards). Each offers a discount or promo code, such as 'RIDE' for 20% off or $50 off first purchase.

These scientific concepts are used to illustrate how humans learn, react, and grow—both in personal experiences and in society. They show how beliefs can evolve through evidence and how conditioned responses shape behavior, emphasizing the value of self-reflection and learning from past mistakes.

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