Patrick Mahomes' Return, NFL Season Preview & Michigan Clock Debacle with Jon Ferrari | EP 200

Think about this. John, think about this. Blindside blocks are more protected than receivers going over the middle. Yes. In other words, if a receiver's coming over the middle, I can lay into him as hard as I want as long as I don't hit his head. Head and head and head. And I don't lead with my head. On a blindside block, I literally have to go hands. Why are we fucking playing Panicake? Why the fuck can't I just clean this new clock? I don't we're playing football, John. Welcome back to New Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a one-dry show brought to you by Reese's. That's right. We're your host. I'm Travis Guzzi. He's my big brother, Jason Kelsey. I got to Cleveland. You're going to Ohio. Shout out to the Heights and shout out to the Bearcats. We're going one and oh. We just got done. I'm sure we'll talk about it. Taking our talents back to Nippert Stadium for a day. And that was pretty fun. Follow the show on social media at New Heights Show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason wants to tell the people what's coming up for this episode. Jimmy, Travis, 90% of you got a great episode geared up for you right now. We're going to break down all of week one this week in the NFL. We're going to talk about heading back to Cincinnati. We're going to be joined by our first ever New Heights senior correspondent. Who will give us the scoop in his area of expertise, which is officiating. Let's dive into that right now. Let's start with some of that. New news. New news. New news is brought to you by Xfinity. And the newest news, Travis, is that new Heights turns 200. Dude, word, what is that? Bicentennial? Yes, that's correct. How about that? I know. They're letting us do this for 200 full episodes and we haven't got canceled yet. We got a good team. We've got to keep the team tight. Cancel myself. Keep the team tight. Yeah. Well, how about it? Are we doing anything for our official 200th episode? Actually, uh, funny. Say that. Jake put this out on social as well as Brandon, right? Well, this is pre-baby, pre-baby. This is when he was working. Now he is at home watching that baby and mama like he should be like he should be. Great delivery. That's right. Anyways, so take a look at this list. 92 top moments from our shows past all voted on and submitted by you all. I was not voted on. There was some type of what happened? How did you make number one, number two, number three? They put this. They just put this together. There's no way. There's no way they put that together without putting tails. I'm dead serious. We, we, it's, we made it up. Those of us who made the 92 moments made it up. It's a pre-season list people to argue about. If you want more detail, we did record. So, Brandon, these are your favorite top. These are your favorite moments. Jake, we thought about some. We did fight about some. I think they hold up. There was a reason behind all of them. If you want the reason, we did record audio only podcast you close into. We're explaining these. No, no, no, you're good. You're good. I think that the millions of views episode that broke the internet quite literally probably should be number one. It's time. Well, do you want the reason? Do you want the reason? I think it's tough. Sure. Give me your bullshit reason, Brandon. I think the moment in season one of you guys being the first brothers to play in the Super Bowl and having to then record a podcast about it is something that genuinely will not happen again. To me, that was like a kind of show. The finding moment of the show. And yeah, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Taylor is not the most popular goddamn thing ever. I'm not saying that. When, when do you think it's going to happen? When do you think it's going to happen again, Brandon, where somebody, uh, professes his love for the most popular person on the planet. Listen, and I'm actually starting to date. And then they end up coming out and releasing their album a year after that. What do you think that's going to happen again, Brandon? A lot of athletes got podcasts now. I don't know. There's only one Taylor Swift. We're going to need a stadium tour. We're going to need someone could happen. Goes to the stadium tour and podcasts. Yeah. And for the night, elevator access and then get mad about it. Takes it out on an ad read and I'll throw Kylie up there too. Kylie should be above the other. It should be, it should be Taylor. It should be Taylor first and then Kylie because Kylie's episode. Then she launched her other podcast and then that's launched into a whole fucking thing. Those two moments were this is what you make better. This is what you make literally start. This list could have been better. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. Are you about to get in the comments yell with me. That's fine. I don't read them anyways. What's the one? What's the what's the 90 second? The one that's not going to head Kelsey on child abductions. All right. Be an honest. Be an honest behind. Nice. All right. There we go. Other new news. Shout out to Peyton and Eli for having us to help watch this season of the Manning Cast. Dude, commercial just watch this online. I did. I did. I did. I did see it. So good. It's too long for us to show the entire thing. It's about 20 minute 15 20 minutes. It's it's so fucking good, though, man. They never miss. It was an honor to be some of the NFL brothers to come in and make that thing pop. I wish we would have gone back and forth more like the Harbor Brothers. We're going back and forth. They know we should have killed it. We should have been doing a little more that. But either way, it's out now. Check it out on social and more importantly, check out the Manning Cast this year on Mondays. You're going to love it. All right now. The Manning's aren't the only ones broadcasting games this year. Trav. I will be broadcasting four games this year with my friends Kurt Warner and Dave Pash. Dude, Kurt Warner. That's right. Kurt. Yep. The orchestrator of the greatest show on turf, Hall of Fame quarterback. And even so far, he's been nothing but helpful. You know, and so honored to just be in a booth and to learn from these guys. Because I really we did a test run down in Houston. And it was everybody's challenges. I expected it was going to be and I just Kurt has been so helpful. So as Dave, but excited to go over there and be overseas to those guys and call a few games this year. No doubt about it. And we got some great games. Got some great games. Yeah, you do. You got a little Eagles Jaguars out in London week five, week four, you got another London game, Colts vs. Commanders week seven. You got Steelers and Saints in Paris. Right. First game of Paris. First game in Paris. Callie speaks French. Hopefully she can come along and translate for me. Let's go. And then week 16 is to be determined. Yeah, that'll be a flex game on a Saturday. Nice. Well, never seen ever see if I'll get flexed. That would be great. Did you request the international games on purpose? It was that just the one. That was what was available. Right. Yeah. So an ESPN bought NFL network. So now that NFL network package that used to be where still is with them. Now ESPN is kind of handling. So yeah, I mean, that was kind of the opportunity there. I mean, they're not adding actually they took away money games. There's no more double headers on Monday night. So it's only one day every Monday night, which I think is the right move. The double headers are fun too, but it feels like Monday night should be a standalone game. Now, I'm never going to complain about a lot of football, man. But it feels like it took a little bit of the magic out of like the one game you get to see on Monday night. The one game you get to play in on Monday night. Like let the show be the show, man. When the lights are on, baby, there's nothing like playing on Monday night, man. So yeah, ESPN took away some of the games in that regard. So obviously they're working with the new NFL network games. Listen, man, I've always been curious what it's like up there in the booth seems like a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. Thankfully, they're not putting me, you know, I got some help. I got some seasoned veterans up there with. I was going to say, yeah, you're a good crew because I am very much rookie. Turn the lights on, man. You'll see the blinking red dot, man. You know, you'll live and go out there and have some fun. Start going. All right. Now, well, that's it for new news brought you by Xfinity. Let's get into some bold topics. Bold topics is brought to you by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. How about it? It's kickoff week, baby. And football is officially back. Yes, it is. Not only we kicking off or kicking off Monday night football with the Kelsey brothers, the Broncos take on the chiefs. And I'm going to be in the house to watch it all happen. Um, trap. How's it feel going into season 14? I got on fire. The fuck up right now. There's nothing better, man. Then the feeling you get going into week one, you get a fresh start, especially if you got a sour taste in your mouth from last year. You get a fresh start with the new team. Everybody's healthy. Everybody's ready to fucking rock and roll. There's a lot of juice in the building right now, man. And we're excited to get after it on Monday night. Is it better or worse to start off on the national stage? Oh, man. Give me the fucking lights, man. Yeah. Put me under the lights, dog. Every game. I fucking love it, man. There's nothing better than prime time football. The magic is in the air. You feel how how intense the game is, especially if it's a divisional game, everything's everything matters a little bit more. The team knows you a little bit more. You got to be more dialed in. Um, and I know Sean Payton's got those those guys fired up and ready to rock a roll to suck. I'm looking to, you know, get after it, baby. Well, it is not without change. Obviously, the Kansas City chiefs have had a lot of continuity over the last, I don't know, seven, eight years, whatever you want to call it. Andy Reed still at the helm, but Eric B. Enemy is back as the offensive coordinator. Pat Mahomes is back from his ACL injury. We have some new guys out wide new running back. Where do you guys feel? an offense and how you've gone through this hold off season and where you guys are at heading into a game against who probably a team that probably was the best team in the AFC last year, not throwing shade into England, but if Bonix doesn't get hurt, I have a feeling they might find another way into the Super Bowl last season. I hear you. And you were talking about continuity from over the years. Well, one thing we have knew this year is a guy named Kenneth Walker might have heard of winning the Super Bowl last year. And winning the Super Bowl MVP last year and it's going to be exciting to see Arrowhead get to see that guy. It's definitely been a different field this off season. From everything that happened last year, who we brought in and how we've reshaped this organization from the inside, I think it's like I said, I keep saying exciting man, I cannot wait to get out there and show everybody what we've been working on. And especially getting out there and see Kenneth Walker and the Chief Jersey man, dude is an absolute beast and I think we'll be handing the ball off to him quite a bit. Walker is a bit thicker than I remember. So did I, did I thought? Did watching him in Seattle and then seeing him in person and thinker in a good way. Like enormous thighs, a big old BBL on the backside of it. Like he's got some dirt to him that's got some ability to sustain. You'll check. He knows. Good way to check it out. You got to check out that rear end on guys. That'll tell you. Unless you look at Jason Curry, then don't judge me too hard. You know, in Seattle, heading into the playoffs when Sharminay went down, I was curious to see how he was going to do as a featured back with a bigger workload because he seemed like more of like that like scat back quick, explosive playmaker. But then you watch him play all plays. Man, this guy's running through dudes. Yeah. Like he is a strong player. So can't canine's the real deal, man. Yeah. And he's not, not only is he the type of athlete that you want, but it's in type, in terms of the mentality and being a teammate. And I mean, he checks all the boxes, man. It's just he's one of the best in the league right now. And he got compensated deservingly so in the offseason because of the hard work he's put in and how he's conducted himself as a professional knowing about the situation that was in Seattle. And that's why he was ready to just step in whenever his number was called. Yeah. So we're excited to have him as a chief. You guys got new running back, receiver. A lot of, you know, we got worthy coming back where she writes, what is the deal with Cyrus Allen? No, I want to talk about the bearcat grad. Cyrus, baby. A lot of noise coming out of camp that he's been looking really good. What kind of playmaking ability and what will he bring to the offense, you think? You know, I think right now it's, we got a stacked, stacked wide receiver room. And I know I know Xavier, whether he's taking that next step, receiver ice has been proven in this offense. And he's he's looking at his prime and his ready, he's ever been. And then Taikwan Thornton's a tall taikwan Thornton receiver downfield that made a lot of huge plays for his last year. Not about him, yeah. And you know, there's there's a handful of others like, like Nico and Jaylin more than I mean, I could go on, but I think what what you're alluding to is the the excitement you saw through or heard through camp, his playmaking ability, the preseason catches he's had, he's got a lot of explosiveness in terms of his his playmaking ability and he's got a savviness to his routes that you just can't teach. You know, some guys just have a good feel for it and he's one of those guys, man. Well, the biggest news, I think that everybody's going to talk before the game, Patma Holmes is officially back from his ACL injury only nine months ago. There's a lot of questions and whether Pat would be able to get back in terms of playing for this game, he will be out there. We are going to see the best quarterback in the NFL play this Monday. What version are we going to see a big part of Pat's game is his ability to create and that's one of the reasons you guys have been so good is off the schedule, you know, play breaks down, he'll scramble around, he'll run it, he'll find you, he'll find somebody like that's been one of the really explosive areas of his game. Is that still there? Do you see that in practice? Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm not going to tell you what I'm seeing in practice, but what I've seen as a guy do everything he possibly can to be ready for week one. What he's done to get to this point is second and none and you saw that switch flip when he when he had the surgery of how he was going to be determined to get healthy for the season. And we're excited that he's he's going to be out there rocking with us on week one, you know, in terms of his ability to move around and stuff like that, he's a competitor, man. And he only knows one way to play the game. When that ball snap, I expect to just see patting the homes out there playing football. You're the one thing that I think, so if I'm being like very honest, part of me thinks back to Carson Wentz and when Carson went down to the ACL injury, he wasn't the same in that regard of creating and figuring things out off schedule and outside the pocket. The difference, I think with pat, I just that dude seems to just find a way like no matter what it is. And that's just one of the ways that he does it. And if that's not there, he just seems to me like the type of guy that has that effect or that he's going to find another way to do it. It's just the competitive edge to him and he he understands the game to a certain degree, man. If one thing doesn't work, he has the ability to tweak how he's playing or tweak what he's doing to still get that same success. And now that's why we love him. He's division implications at play. That one is going to be fun to watch. Good luck, Jeff. See you on Monday. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Reese's. The chocolate peanut butter is back. And quick question. When teams travel overseas for a game, why do they bring extra bags? Isn't it for equipment or more Reese's because you're flying pretty far, you got a pack snacks, right? Yeah, there's no way a guy is checking extra small bags of clothes. That's a Reese's bag. That's right. Absolutely Reese's bag. Yeah, 100%. You know, somebody's got a whole carry on dedicated to peanut butter cups. 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What do I want to see them do? I want to see more touchdowns. I want to see them do it. Yeah. Let's get a little bit more. Let's dissect a little bit more. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the new offense is going to look like. I don't think we've, I'm not going to try to not think they've flat out said they have not shown what this offense is going to look like yet in the preseason. You know, we know what this looks like in the McVeigh share my head. with the under center, the motions, the outside zones, pair with the boots, pair with the dropback play actions, pair with the screens, how it all looks similar, how they build leverage and angles in the run game and in the passing game. I always have enjoyed watching these offenses on other teams very much looking forward to seeing what these guys look like this Sunday against the commanders. There's a lot of new, I'm both sizable. Ego's obviously new office coordinator, first time Jalen's ever run a system like this, first time this team has done something like this offensively. We're gonna see exact same things happen in over in Washington. They just started new office coordinator, David Blatt, who's also in this background. So obviously, Jaden Daniels has done a lot of the college, no huddle spread, RPO zone read offense to this point is great with Cliff Kingsbury. Now all of a sudden, they're gonna be doing this as well. He's gonna be more in the center. So we're gonna see both offenses doing similar changes and it'll be interesting to see how much they change, how much they kind of keep some semblance of what they did or is it all gonna be brand new. And it's gonna be interesting watching both of those teams. Obviously, Washington had a ton of injuries last year. Jaden Daniels was hurt for a very large portion of it, so was McLaren. So it's gonna be, it's gonna be interesting to see what they look like as well offensively. And then for us, going up against Washington, going up against Washington's defense, they're not even gonna be this Dan Quinn defense. Dan Quinn comes from the Pete Carroll cover three, not a whole lot of variety, right? They're gonna play a four down front. It's gonna be pretty much cover three all day. Like that's what they do. They live in it and they know where their weaknesses are and they adjust accordingly. Quinn had started to adjust a little bit when he was in Dallas where he started blitzing a little bit more, playing more cover one, trying to throw teams off. Now it appears that they're gonna be pretty much running Minnesota's defense under Brian Flores. They hired Dorante Jones who's from the Brian Flores tree. Couldn't be more different, way more middle field open, too high shell looking defenses. They pressure at an absurd rate, but they play palms and quarters behind it. So this is gonna be a way different looking commander's team. And I'm looking forward to see what that looks like. How well they execute that? I mean, it's been highly successful in Minnesota. I do think you gotta have some guys at linebacker to make that system work. - That's a drafted one. - And that's right. So like Brian Flores from the New England tree in New England, they had the Jamie Collins high tower, all these guys that could be on the line of scrimmage and physical and holding down a point. They could be off ball and coverage. It allows them to be multiple. And even though it's a different thing that they're doing in Minnesota than what they ever did in New England, they liked that versatility still. You got a guy like Van Ginkgo up in Minnesota who brings a lot of value. I haven't paced Junior, another Cincinnati guy. I think it's been a good piece for them throughout the last couple of years. It doesn't surprise me. They go out with the seven pick overall and get styles from Georgia. Those guys, because they have to operate in so much space when they do pressure and play an umbrella on top, they have to, they have a lot of room to roam in that middle ground of coverage. And then on top of that, they got to be able to hold up against offensive linemen in the run game if they're going to muggle these guys up. So I can't wait to see what all this looks like. It's a lot of creative, it's a lot of creativeness and new things that are trending in the NFL. How well do these teams incorporate them? And then obviously, I mean, filled out for Eagles their front, how they, Washington's already banged up, right? They're, they're missing Laramie Tunzo. Allegretti, our guy, Allegretti from Niki, Allegretti. He's been hurt for a lot of the preseason. He's coming back for this one, it sounds like. - Nice. - But they're already banged up. I mean, this is what we've been waiting for. Phil and I have been waiting to see what this offense is actually going to look like. What, Jaylen Hertz is going to look like. How safe one, Barkley is going to do in this operation. And we're going to get our first taste of it this week. I never liked playing new coordinators week one. Like if I had my choice, I would rather have a coordinator that we had tape on the previous year. When you're facing new guys, it's like, you know, what exactly are they going to do? It's a little bit more unsure. - It's a lot more adjustments and figuring out what they're, what they're going to do in the drives. But I mean, and that's the thing. If you, if you look at what Dankwin's done a lot in the past, that doesn't matter if he's a new coordinator at another team. You know, you typically have got a good understanding of just his track record, but with Dorante Jones not necessarily being a decordinator in Minnesota, just coming in and kind of being a fresh face with Dankwin. I think it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting to see how it all unfold. And, you know, the good thing about this Philly Offens is it's good versus all, man. You got fucking ball players, man. - You do have ball players. - You got ball players. You got Jaylen, a safe one, man. If they come out running the ball and get down hill, I can see them handling this game willingly, man. - One thing I'm going to be looking at, and I think if you're watching the game, go ahead and take a look at it. You're going to see some exotic looks. If this is at all like Brian Flores, there's going to be some exotic things early. And that's one thing I always felt like when we played Brian, there was going to be six or seven looks for the game that were going to be, give you issues early. But if you were able to, you know, kind of remember these and kind of log them, you'd start to see them repeat themselves. And then as the game went, it was like, "Oh, here comes this one, here comes this one." And if you're not ready for it, they can be overwhelming. But I'm going to be looking to see if that pattern holds up. - Well, good luck to the Eagles and you know, good luck to the Commanders and good luck to everybody else in the fucking league. - Well, more about to get to the rest of the league. Outside of the Eagles, we do have week one coming up. Lot of exciting storylines to keep your eye on. Here's some of our favorites. - Trap, what are you looking for to watch in a week one? - Outside of Chiefs Eagles, I will say even though they're in the division, I am intrigued to see how the entire AFC West offenses look. I think, you know, the quarterback situation in Las Vegas, Herbert taking another step. I think Bone Nicks and the Gang, I'm just interested to see what my division has to offer in terms of firepower, man. - Same, the charges are one of the teams I'm looking forward to watching the most. Mike McDaniel, I think, is one of the best schemers. Like obviously it didn't work out. And Miami is a head coach. But if you watch the scheme that they implemented every Sunday, there was some really creative, unique blocking schemes, the way they utilize motions, the way they throw these screens kind of out to the flat. But with route concepts down field, like I really am excited to see what this looks like in LA. Really excited to see AFC North. I mean, we grew up in the AFC North. Not so much excited to watch Cleveland to be honest with you. Like I hope they do well. I'm always excited to watch the Browns. But I think Baltimore is gonna make a major comeback with Jesse Minner. I think that just starting with something fresh, they were ravaged by injuries last year, which derailed that season in itself. I think Minner is doing a lot of creative things defensively and is bringing some forward thinking to fronts and coverages and blitzes. And I mean, you watch the preseason game that they did against the Eagles. They were doing, he did a simulated overload front pressure in a preseason game. I can't wait to see what this guy has in store for the regular season. And on top of that, they got Lamar coming back. And then Joe Burrow, I mean, I'm always excited to watch Joey B play with Higgins and Jamar Chase. AFC West, baby, we got a good one early over there. We're down under with the Niners and the Rams. Obviously the Rams, all the moves they made or the big move they made. And then seeing where the 49ers are right now and how great they've been in years past. That division is just, it's packed with the Seahawks too, making, you know, defending their title. I'm interested to see just how competitive each game is over there. I had the Rams down as another storyline. Just obviously everything with Aaron Donald and Miles Garrett, which we have found out Aaron is not playing week one. Travis, that's correct. Correct. That's where I just, he's not traveling. So, you know, we'll have to wait another week to see what that looks like with him and Miles on the field at the same time, which is an offensive lineman. I can't wait to see what teams do to try and mitigate the chaosness that's going to be up front for them. I can't wait to see how they on the defensive side try and prevent teams from doubling and sliding and doing all these things. What are they doing to try and protect the players? But I'm also always fired up to watch the Rams. The Seahawks were awesome to watch last year on defense. I've really liked the way they play Lender Williams. Just got a brand new contract outstanding player. Awesome pieces on the defensive side. So it's going to be intriguing to see how they fill those roles. They still got that big tarot actor at Nickel. What's his name? I don't have to get his name too. It's like in Ben warrior, whatever. Gosh, that guy fucking wrecks havoc, man. The nickel position is turned into such like a crucial piece on defensive deck. I mean, if you look what Mentor did with Derwin James, he's got another one, another kind of big safety like that. Kyle Hamilton who can come down and play that nickel position or however they run their personnel is out there. Somebody that can play in the box and play free. Yeah, if you look at the best defense in the effort right now, I think that you. the common denominators, they have a guy that plays that position, can play the run really well, can match up with anybody in the past game. Like it's a spot that is turned into one of the most valuable on the team, right? You got Petry in Houston, Cooper to Jean in Philadelphia, Hamilton, in Baltimore. Just have him looking forward to seeing what Dallas looks like. I will. Yeah, I am. I'm looking forward to seeing what it looks. I mean, offensively, they're loaded. They are fucking loaded. They may know offensive acquisitions. That's all season. Every draft pick, every free agent, it's like 30 some players, new, all defensive guys. Looks like the old head ball coach said, I'm good on offense. It's great. Y'all get that shit figured out over there. We're rolling. It is insane. I've never seen anything like that. I mean, the biggest thing is they found a way to get Pickens back. I think whether it's franchise or whatever it was, I think you get that two-headed monster outside the numbers, man, with a good run game. Decks going to figure some shit out. Yeah. How did that wrap it up for bold topics? Bold topics, once again, was brought to you by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. I've had it. All right. We got out of the house this weekend. Out of the house is brought to you by Expedia. We went back to a UC game, Conor Barwin and Brent Selick joined us as well as Kylie for the Bearcats taking on Boston College. Well, the real reason we went back was Jason got inducted to the Hall of Fame, and I wanted to make sure I was there for my big brother. Sure enough, it was a nice old Cincinnati ass whoopin. That's right. We've been pretty good on opening day, better in the start of the season than at the end, but Jason, how'd you enjoy getting back? Well, first of all, preface it was, I think the induction ceremony is still in October. So this was just going to the game where they're kind of honoring us and saying that Conor and I are being inducted in this year's class. Along with Bob Huggins will also be inducted this year in the Bearcats Hall of Fame. We got to see the new facilities that they just built for the football team and- Shout out to Larry Sakeley. That's right. That's right. And it was incredible to see how much it changed. Every time I go back, it doesn't- I mean, the campus looks the same in a lot of ways, but it's been incredible how much they continue to change and continue to move forward. There's a lot going on in higher education right now. I mean, not just football. Football is all this NAL stuff. Everything happening on that front. There's also, you know, colleges are closing left to right. Not so much to big schools, but like Kylie's college and Cabrini isn't there anymore. Kids are starting to weigh like the expense of going to college and all of these different factors so it's just an interesting time at that level and I really enjoyed talking to President Neville. I really enjoyed seeing all the good things that you see as doing and continuing to do to move forward. That's the thing, man. How much has grown in just in terms of the kids? I think there was close to 25 to 30,000 when we were there and now it's over 50,000, which is insane. Something that was really cool they offer this year was any in-state kid that qualifies to get into Cincinnati whose parents make less than 75,000 doesn't pay for school and I'm just I feel like they're continuing to push forward into this making you see a viable option for kids from all walks of lives who can afford it and having job opportunities right out of college. So today, he started the co-op program. That was the first university to really institute that. They've done a lot of things. They've always been really connected with the business leaders in the community of Cincinnati, whether it's the hospitals, the businesses like PNG. It's a very well-established and entrenched part of that community and it's good to see that it's being stewarded in a way both athletically and academically that is headed in a direction that I think it needs to go in the future. Hell yeah brother. And outside of that, it was just good seeing everybody, right? You got to see a lot of former teammates, all the people that were there when we were there and are continuing to do great things. Yeah, that makes Cincinnati home for the next wave of kids, man. It's the best. I mean, I second everything you said, you were saying about the University of Cincinnati, how it's growing and just, you know, seeing that it's still that segway into the modern world, man, the kids. That's where we grew up and to see that athletes and students are getting even better opportunity and better life there as much as we've seen the campus grow and more things be at their disposal. No, I think what you're saying is, and this is the same thing I feel whenever I'm on the college campus. You're dealing with young people that are excited about what's the common their life. They're away from their families for the first time. Exactly. And it's, it's whenever you're there, you just get swept up in that, whether it's with the football team, whether it's just walking around campus, I love being back around college campuses and being back at Cincinnati, where we went through that ourselves. It just makes it even more like, hit home. So yeah, it was awesome being back. Got to see a Bible head of myself. I don't know if you saw this travel. I did see it. I did see it. I was a banger. Real life Bible Bible head too. Lightsides. Was the contrast this high in real life? Like, look at how tan, kind of, I feel like this is like somebody edited. Oh, you guys are in great. No, you, this is how tan you are right now. What a heart. That's how dark my skin looks right there. Yeah. Nothing like a little garage beer pub. How on that light do my calves look in this Bible head? They just gave me campus. Look at that. It gave you cartoon legs, man. Those look like the legs of Peter Griffin. That's right. No definition. No, no, no. Fuck Jason. Did you get a juridicals for the plane? Our plane got the laid because there are some thunderstorms coming in. So we had time to go get a juridicals before we left, did not disappoint. What do you get on your a juridicals? I usually do the pepperoni sausage meat lovers type deal. I'm a big pepperoni banana peppers fan. We need to get back to the square pizzas, even though when it's even when it's like the medium, though, I want the medium square. I need the medium square to the circles. I don't like the circles. I don't get as much. I was a major fatty. I was a major fatty. It's an idea after the game. We went got Adriaticos. Do we went and got Adriaticos? Then we went the skyline. And we were contemplating going to graders right after that. And we look, thankfully did not do that. Craitors would have been the perfect cap to the evening, which one still hit the same? They both still hit the exact same. Nice. All right. I just wanted to have a nice three way and a cheese coni. Adriaticos, I mean, it was fantastic. That's sweet and spicy sauce, man. They got to figure it out dog. I'm all in. I'm all in. I don't know. I don't know if there's more. I don't know why there's not more. I don't think everybody's a fan of the thicker, doughy slices. Come on. If it's made like that, why wouldn't they be? I mean, we grew up on pan pizza from pizza. I mean, I don't know. I'm in on the thick. New York style is awesome as well. I like a lot of different ranges of pizza. I think I'm getting pizza tonight, actually. Now, the more that we're talking about it, I think it might be pizza nights tonight. Well, that's out of the house brought to you by Expedia, Bearcats. Let's keep this thing fucking going, baby. Let's get to two and a half. Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total. On offense, it's important to prevent problems from the moment the ball is snapped. That's true. 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And we're into our last segment before we wrap, which is going to be our first time ever bringing in an expert to explain the game before all besides us. That's right. We don't know everything. We damn sure don't know everything. So this year we decided we're going to start bringing in senior correspondence to try and educate us and you guys on different aspects of the game that we might not be the best at informing you on. And our first ever senior correspondent will be Mr. John Ferrarias, our senior corresponding of rules. That's right. Please welcome Ferrari. Go birds. Go birds. Go. Welcome to the show, baby. What is your title with with the ego so I can get that right? I don't want to fuck that up. Assistant GM. Assistant GM? Yeah. Well, Jesus. I thought it was going to be something with like rules. There's a here's assistant GM. Fuck yeah, John. Way to go. All right. I'm no chimp at a suit here. This is hilarious. Do you wear something with rules? Well, that's what's so John, why don't you give a background real quick of how you've gotten to this point where you started in the league? Yeah. I took the league off. I was at the league office for 10 years. I worked for the management council when we did the CBA back in 2011. And then management council, you get to know all the teams. We had new work rules. So I was in charge of helping to institute those work rules. So got hired here in 2016 when coach Peterson got here in that transition. So it'll be lucky to be here for 11 these two super bullets. Shout out. There we go. And when I was at the league office, I did some special projects for the competition committee. I worked for Mike Pereira when he was running and officiating for Dean after that. So had some experience coming here with with the rules of the rule book and officiating in particular. Well, one of the things I miss most from being with the egos and I'm not just blown smoke of your butt, John. The meetings on Saturdays where we would go over things that teams did wrong the week before things that teams went right. And also just educating us on what are penalties, what's not penalties. It feels like you always had a good grasp of all this stuff. So we had some controversial ones early on. And we also thought maybe we'd open the floor up to you telling us which rules fans misunderstand the most because we got a whole season coming. Twitter is already losing their minds on blown calls by officials. It's one of my least favorite things, especially now that money's on the line. Everybody's complying about officials. Where are fans right and wrong? First of all, Travis, what he's leaving out is a Saturday meetings that used to boom me when I would get on the stage. What's the brand to get up? It's like literally the entire football team thought you were a part of the rules. It was from a place of love. That's what I told myself as I cried to sleep every night. And to be fair, it's just a nice feeling. Welcome, isn't it? Just you get some booze right away. That's right. That's right. Okay, so here's Michigan, the Michigan game. I think the first thing for the they were in the tank for Michigan crowd. The hard thing is to me, the biggest play of that game was at the end of the first half with nine seconds after the interception. So Michigan throws an interception. He's down by contact on the 27 yard line and he takes his helmet off to celebrate. Okay, do it. And automatic penalty. No, he calls it. It's not called. Interesting. Okay. So so the next play Western Michigan kicks a field goal. If they had forced that penalty, all of a sudden, it's a 58 yard field goal or something like that. So that to me, if we're in the tank for Michigan, we're off to a bad stuff, right? Then Michigan had, I think Michigan had 10 penalties. Western Michigan had four. So again, the whole, the flow of the game didn't suggest that we're we're trying to the big. Yeah, it did suggest that. So, but then the end of the game. So how's it going to say so? And the game did seem like that a little bit. What? What? And first of all, how does something like that happen? Let's give some of our viewers some context here. So Michigan is losing the game to Western Michigan by I believe about five points. It's 12 to seven. Yes, you go. So they're they're they're they're losing by five and they're going to they're they're going to try and throw a Hail Mary with seconds left. I think there was roughly nine to 10 seconds left. John, I'll let you take it nine, nine seconds. Yeah. So they throw the Hail Mary. The it's incomplete and the clock shows zero Western Michigan celebrating on the field. So we you guys have to understand is you see the seven officials are in college that eight officials on the field. There's a whole other replay apparatus that's helping them. The replay official who's operating on a different system called the Hawkeye system. He's taking all the all the cameras in the stadium. He's using all those cameras. Those cameras are operated by NBC, but they're independent. So he or she can look at whatever view they want to look at at any time. That system is also synced to the game clock and then Hawkeye and the network are synced to each other. So everybody should be synced. So that game clock has integrity in terms of the video and how it's synced to the video. So that play happens. Replay looks at it. There's a defender out of bounds. As soon as that defender is airborne and touches the ball, the games should the clock should stop because it's like the ball touched out of bounds. It's the same as if it's but it's so it touched that defender's hand where I think they went awry is at some point in that game that sinking that I described came unsynced and what replay was showing was different than what the network was showing. And I think Mike Barrera said this to the athletic yesterday. In that case, when they're not synced, you go with the TV. You go with network. And they went with the replay official who was operating with what he thought was correct. But what I think where I think they aired was that they didn't go with TV. You got to go with whatever the viewers are seeing because that's going to. Millions of people are watching. We got to make better decisions of that. So that's where they went away from what is the standard practice in the big 10. So you don't think the big 10 called the officials and said that there was an extra second on the clock and we it would just happen to be unsynced at this point. Don't we don't know how, but it just happened to be unsynced and we're not going for the broadcast copy. We're going to go with what we have in the booth that nobody else gets to see. Nobody else can see. Well, they showed it, but they did was the next day when the big 10 released the statement. They showed the Hawkeye sink. So what that guy was seeing was accurate. He saw a second. Again, where I think they aired was that they also didn't say, well, the network is showing something else and we're supposed to go with that. But what he did in that moment, I don't think was was questionable. He saw a second on the clock and was going with that. They just got maybe got a little overly excited there and didn't go back to TV. Yeah, but regardless, it does seem really fishy. It's super fucked up for Western Michigan. I don't know how they're not losing their minds more than they are. So the replay official is seeing the Hawkeye. Is there not a TV version up there? There is. So he's seeing both. He's seeing both. Yeah, that's true. But he only looked at the Hawkeye. He didn't know that it was unsinked. Yeah, and I'm going off the NFL system where the replay official can also see the TV feed can see both. So that's what they can see. That's how Hawkeye works. You can the default view is the TV view. But his clock was different than TV. And at some point in the game, at some point in that from that pre-game sinking, it came undone. It was a tough weekend for the back all around. And there's nothing that they can do retroactively at this point. No, like the game is what it is. That's a no. They can't come out afterwards and really hey, that last play didn't count because actually they already did that. Actually, they just did it within fans still being in the stadium. Yeah, that's right. And you can you can see by the way, this isn't over yet. Western Western Michigan's on the field celebrating and you can see them celebrating. And then you can see the Western Michigan coach pushing them back to the sideline because right, whatever official on field said, hey, we're still looking at this. Hey, we're looking at this re-reviewed. Yeah, right. So it that part of it at least did happen fast. Yeah. was unfortunate all around for very unfortunate. I think at this point, I mean, every replay official just needs to double check any situation like this with the TV clock, right? Like before you make any decision, it shouldn't be off of the Hawkeye. Like what's the point of looking at Hawkeye? Just look at what everybody else is watching for like a second thing. You know what I mean? Something with a game clock should be caught. It shouldn't even come down to it. Who cares if it's seen? I just go off the TV copy. That's right. And the reason he wants to look at Hawkeye is so he can look at all the different angles, right? For sure. Yes, you get more access to that. But in terms of just the timing, why are we even looking at Hawkeye? Just look at the game. I would like to see some ornry old dude sitting in his chair. Just me like the Hawkeye. We got to we got the fucking Hawkeye over here telling me there's a tenth of a second left. The fact that they called it the Hawkeye is so good. Let's move on to another one that I saw, which was the next day in the Notre Dame game. There was something that got all of offensive line Twitter in an uproar Travis, which is that a snatch was called a hold. John, you have the clip that we're referring to. You know, we have that we have the clip here. All right. Before you give your ruling, Travis, is this a hold? Is this not a hold? No, I'm going to always favor the offensive line. I don't know. I like where your heads at. I like where your hands are inside. So this is what I thought immediately. This gets miss officiated a lot in the NFL and in college, where if you go straight down hands inside, that's a legal snatch to me. Like that's more the defense alignment being out of balance and out of control. I'm just helping him go where he says momentum is taking him. John, I sit this clip to you and you had an interesting response. So what is your reasoning behind why this was called what it was? So, first of all, I agree with you about the snatch. The snatch is not a foul. I think this is a foul and again, this angle doesn't show it great because he's controlling him inside the collar. The control inside the collar is what makes it rise to the level of holding. You know, I think about, you know, you ever see a dog with a backpack on hiking and the dog has the backpack and on the back of the backpack is a little handle and you can control the dog with the handle, right? You can put the handle, you can grab the handle on the backpack and you can move the dog wherever you want it to. That to me is it's the same thing when you get inside the shoulder pad inside the collar. You can control that defender and move him where you want to move him. So even though they keep good feet, even though he's hands are inside, it's the collar and the grab down, not the snatch itself that makes it a foul in my opinion. This is relatively new because when I was still in the league, they really weren't officiating grabbing of the collar. I mean, in fact, I did it all the time. I loved grabbing people of the collar. You were great at it. For example, what you said, you can control them very well, especially at the second level. I grabbed them by one heart. I kind of steer them where I wanted to go. So this is relatively new in terms of the NFL saying they want grabbing of the collar being called as a hold. Is that correct? Yeah. A couple years ago, I think it was 24. It might have been 23. The competition committee looked at it and they said, that leverage that collar grab gives you is an unfair advantage to the offensive lineman and the collar grab, the sustained collar grab, not a quick one where you get your hand, then you get your hands off of it. But the sustained collar grab, they want that for holding. If they can see it. Now a lot of times when the hands are inside, the official can't see it. It's the umpire of the referee from behind the play. He might be blocked out. But if he can see that sustained collar grab, they want that for holding regardless of the feet, regardless of anything else like the snatch, which would other, like I said, would otherwise be legal. Well, I got to say I do think it's bullshit. I think this sucks. Blocking people is hard enough. But shorts, brothers, AQ, all of my offensive lineman, brethren, this is the way they're calling it now, apparently. And then here's an example where, look at 60 here, no problem, right? So that's where he's just hitting the arm down. He's not. He's just hitting the arm down just like a receiver running around who has the right to not that defensive backs hands down. You have the right to get out. That's why the snatch is legal because you have the right to get those hands off of you to free yourself to move wherever you want to move. So you have the right to do that. That's why the snatch is legal. Here's one where JC Treter actually is the center here. And Betonio is the guard here. Betonio is in the collar here. You can't really see it, but he's in the collar. That's holding what JC does here. He's trying to get off that snatch. That's legal. So there we have two on the same play. So JC's grabbing him. He's not in the collar. So you can still, you can't snatch from the shoulder pads. If the guy is out of balance, no doubt. You have the right to get those hands off of you. And if that means you need to snatch, if that means you need to throw his arms to the side, whatever you need to do to free yourself, you're allowed to do that. I guess I just don't see how it's that big of a difference, whether I'm grabbing the outside of the like the armpit of the shoulder pad, jersey area and snatching him like that versus the collar, even though I guess the major difference is I feel like I always had really good control in the collar. Like I did a thousand of these on screens where I'd almost bait him up field and then essentially throw him to the ground. You can control him better. And I think the coaches on the competition committee had that conversation when they made this point of emphasis and said, there's a different, that's different than even grabbing outside the frame, holding in here, again, because it's hard to see also. So I think by calling it, they wanted to try to discourage it, even though we all know it happens from time to time. Well, I can't wait to see offensive lines, Twitter's reaction to all this. I love always getting it away. Yeah. All right. Let's go over what you're, your big penalties that you think you always see Twitter getting in an upper over and you think are very commonly misunderstood. So I think what's misunderstood and, and Travis can speak to this a lot better than I can because he's done this for a long time is people don't understand and fans don't understand how hard it is to block in the NFL. And how hard it is, especially when you're outside the tight end or outside the tackle, how hard it is to block. There's a lot of space. So you have to be aware of blindside blocks, meaning blocking backward towards your own end line. You have to be aware when you're flexed, you have to be aware of a crackback block where you block inside. You can't block higher low and then you have to be aware of blocks in the back. So you've got to get them on the side. It is, you have to check a lot of boxes to legally block, especially in the run, in the run game, when you're blocking outside in and it is really hard. Like I'm going to show you an example here. So this is Caderius Tony here at the top of the screen. So he's flexed. So he's flexed and he's blocking back in towards the ball. Okay. So he, just like a pass rusher hitting the quarterback, he has to hit that opponent in that target zone. He can't hit him in the head neck area and he can't cut him. He's got to hit him in that target zone. I'm driving my right. Correct. So you see here, he comes in and he makes head neck contact. That's a foul for it. That's a foul for an illegal crackback block. John, I hate that this is a penalty. I hate it so much. It's so rough, man. I get it and I know that it's trying to reduce the head, the head to head hits and the person initiating the contact has the most control over that. My problem is the defenseless thing. You're a defender. They're, I don't understand why defenders get defenseless. Like have your head on the swivel. That was like the whole by like, I get a receiver going for a ball. I get a quarterback is in the pocket throwing it. I don't understand it. And I know the defenders get pissed up. Think about this. John, think about this because you're about to show another version of this. I think which is the, the one where you go and you're blocking back towards your own end zone. Yeah. Yes. In other words, if a receiver is coming over the middle, I can lay into him as hard as I want as long as I don't hit his head head. Yeah. And I don't lead with my head on a blindside block. I literally have to go hands. Yeah. And it's, it's we fucking play a pancake. I don't play football, John. You used to be able to, but here's, here's what I would say, Jay, Jay, here's what I would say, this defender here, this defender here gets the same protect the receiver running the route that you just said. Yes. Yeah. This defender gets the same protection. They're both considered with a receiver on the route that's both considered defenseless. Okay. All right. I'll grant it. I'll grant it as much as I end to be fair. I also like watching receivers get their heads knocked off. I just like watching people get destroyed. It's like deep in my bones of 90s football has hasn't gone away. I do like that people aren't lying unconscious on the field as much though. Now, here's another one. And Travis, I'm sure you probably remember this. This is back from to, this is 23. So Travis going to go on motion here. He's going to come back. He's never set for a complete stop. Oh, this is also a crack back block. He can't do this. No, because I didn't come set. I'm a guy in motion. If I'm going to do this, I got to, I got to plant my feet and set myself in the technically like that tackle box area. Okay. Okay. He doesn't have to get set for a full second. He just has to come to a complete stop because they were all set for a second before the motion. So all it is is a complete stop. And then he can cut him. Got it. Okay. It's hard to block in the NFL. It's really hard. The toughest one for me is is the crack back, man. If you catch it, if you catch somebody not looking at it, it's like back in the day, you would just, you would lick your chops to be able to get a guy not looking at you because you catch him slipping. And nowadays it doesn't matter if it's like if, if a, if a 320 pound detackle is chasing the ball, you have to say, I'm a wide receiver at 200 soaking wet. My ability to just try and put hands on a man that big and stop his momentum from getting to the ball carrier. It's damn near impossible, especially if he has that running. Starter he's hauling ass like the only way to stop that man from getting to the ball carrier is to put some umph into him or to try and like stop him by about not necessarily like leading with your head, but if but the whole he's a defenseless player, I can't imagine I can't see how that's the case. But this is my thing, even if you even if you want to grant him the defenseless positions that receivers and these crackback block positions get. I don't understand why when you're all of a sudden peeled around, you can't as hit him thick right in the body. Right in the body. Yeah. Well, you want to take his ribs out. No, you got to hit him with the hands. Remember, I'm talking about he's talking about this play in particular here. So like this was this is my this is our teach tape travel about how to do it here. Coming back. Come on. Come on. Show me hands. All hands. All hands. And then look at this. Look at Jason here. Look at this. Then the hands go up. I'm innocent and then he looks at the official. Don't you call that shit? Yeah, call that. I shouldn't do that. That's a mission of guilt is never a good idea. You know, it used to be that you could hit him as hard as you wanted in the target in that target zone, but it was it was only a flopper once I block it. It was in the head neck where you cut him. Now, they want any for they wanted any forceful contact because I'll take and I'll tell you the play that did it was this play that made change the rule. This play changed the rule. That was legal at the time. Okay. So what's wrong with this? I need twins. I knew he was the McCourtney brothers that they probably is this. Devon is this what that Travis Benjamin block became the poster child for why they added any forceful contact going backwards. What happened to him? Did he did his career end? Why was why is that the block? No, I think he came back in one one two Super Bowl. I think yeah, what are we talking about? There's nothing wrong with that head other than you got to keep your head on a swivel. I don't fucking get it. Yeah, I think we've I think we've gone overboard on blindside blocks. That's all I'm saying. If I'm willing to concede cutting in head area. If somebody doesn't see a comment that you shouldn't hit that. But this is football. I don't like that. My block I like basically am like just tagging him. I feel that's a little too far. They do employ a common sense in some common sense when it comes to what is forcible on that, right? If it's not it has to be forcible. If you make some but I want to be forcible. I want to send a message. I understand what you want. I want to play. I want you to play football to summarize. If you're outside the tackle box, you come in. You can't hit in the head area or below the waist in that target zone. And that is if you're outside two yards outside the tackle. Yep. So and that is and again, you got to be traveling upfield there like cadarious Tony was. You got to be moving upfield because if you're going back, you can't make any forceful contact. You got to leave with the hands like we're talking. You got to go hands. This is why it's so hard because you got to think about exactly where you are, what direction you're traveling, where the opponent is, what is he looking at. There's so much to think about in those blocks, which obviously we know come on you in a second. Do you think this is entertaining to America? Do you think they're fascinating? Who cares? It's entertaining to us. Yeah. No, you get it. I have fun doing it. Yeah, I think I think I think I think Americans would really appreciate a more well-rounded showing of what penalties actually are. I think you could actually do a service because I think a lot of people do, and this is just one example, holding like what is holding? What's not holding? One of that gets me is like, "OPI, offensive passer interference." Like as an offensive alignment, I still don't understand like a guy's pressed on him and he's shouldering through, but because they know that it's a pick route, they're just going to call it like what's the parameter that we're using here. I think that it gets really gray in some of these calls, and I think that you know a lot more of the nuance on to why these get called. So do you, Travis, and of that one, in particular, I'm sure. But there's a lot of nuance that the average viewer doesn't understand, and you see him say it all the time on Twitter. So we could do a service to the Twitterverse here with John Ferrari, if you be open to it. With our senior corns fund. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do this, and explain these things to us. Can't wait to see the commander's game this week. Best of luck, brother. Appreciate you guys. You guys do a great job. Try. I'm good. Good luck to you guys. Thank you, brother. We'll talk soon, man. Hi, that reps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to John Ferrari. Thank you to all the United two percenters for tuning in. You can follow us on New Heights Show with 1S on Instagram and Twitter and all that other jazz. Listen to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. See you guys next week. All right, now what's again, New Heights, a wonder show brought to you by Reese's, as Jason just said, followed show and also from media. And thanks to our New Heights production team, you guys are going to have to chop this one together. Yeah, but we love you guys, man. You guys are the greatest. Thanks for making us look great. Sounds great, because you guys are great. And to the 92 percent, we'll see you next week. Peace. A fucked up knuckle on a football player's hand is kind of like a hockey player missing a tooth. It's just like almost like a right a passage. Now, I mean, you got to have some wrong. You got to have something wrong with one of them fingers. Let me see your hands, Travis. Let me see your hand. Yeah, you see that ring finger on the on the right hand is a little fat. That, that, yeah, that knuckle right there. That's that, that's the arthritis kicking in. Look at that. Well, hold on. Look at the middle finger on the left hand. Hold it out straight again. There's a goldway straight. Let me see it from the other side. That's kind of a normal one. It's got a little bow to it. But I think it's football. I think it's just inbreeding. What do you think? My hands actually made it out pretty good. They don't look like Chuck Bidnarricks or Brian Bollinger's. You're good. You just, you just pay these little fucked up. Well, that one, that's that's the big giveaway, right? That's how I close my hand. I got to close my hand like this. I can't go, I go like that. But then that finger is just kind of points down. Yeah. They sound down. Jason, why did you tell the people what happened to that finger? It's called Jersey finger. I was doing a one-on-one rep nose guard hit a quick like little deal like that. And my finger got stuck in the Jersey. There's actually on that like Friday practice when there's aren't there's no pads. You know, I mean, it's just like, yeah, that thing is a Thursday. Just kind of shitty circumstance. Then, so when you tear a tendon off of an attachment point, you kind of have like two weeks to fix it. Otherwise, the tendon starts losing at the blood supply. And it just doesn't function ever again. So I had to decide whether I was going to go on IR for a full season to just cut the tendon out of my finger. There was no in between. There wasn't like a throw a club on it. They were like, we can fix it, but he's just going to retair. Essentially, it was what they said. Like the rehab, the rehab was so long that once you get it done, you're done for the rest of the season. I would have been out for the full regular season because of a torn finger tendon. And I would look like the biggest, biggest push you on the fucking planet. You would have had, you would have dads from the 1960s and 70s. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah, we can't see. I thought he was tougher than that. You see, you see Jason just went that one on IR this week. What? Oh my, I don't know what to do. He's got a finger his finger, sir. Can't be doing that dog. Can't be doing that. So you just said audio. So now you can't even make a fist. Why can't make a fist? I just have to make it kind of it's like a fucking, it looks weird. It looks fine there there, but that finger doesn't ever yeah, it still looks like you give somebody a bloody nose. You're good. I mean, it's fine. It's really annoying a golfer. My hand always hurts, but it's fine. I had to go in and cut it out. Brian, do be fair. Pull up Brian baldinger's hands. Let's show. Let's give the people. Let's give the people what they don't even know they want before they before they knew that they get tape fingers. Right. That's a football player right there, baby. No, if fans are buds, that's a guy that there's a photo of Benares that should be like in the in the loop. Look at this motherfucker. Look at this shit. That's what dog. That's what playing center looks like. Hockey players got gaps in their in their teeth. Football players can can point around a corner. Him, me, Henry, Henry, we point that. Anthony Munoz had some messed up figures. What is they don't fix this? It's just stuck with it. You got to be able to fix that. How do you get in your pocket? How does it not just get caught on stuff? Yeah. How do you get a shirt on? How do you get like a shirt sleeve? I think it's jammed in the door every week. Anthony. It's the price to pay to be in all two. I'll brew all the fame left tackle. These are podcasting hands. That's right. You want to know what high school tennis and the career and media looks like? Beautiful. I'm grabbing shit. Look at this shit. Look at it. It's unscrewed right off the top. Sorry. Oh, man. Anybody else you want to gander at it? I think that's all we needed. I mean, Ronnie lot. We mentioned Ronnie. We throw one of the throw the Ronnie's. We got to tell the story too. I mean, I don't know that I know the 100% truthful story. I just knew the story that it was broken or whatever. And he had to cut it off in order to play in the show bowl was what I was told. - God. - Is that the actual story of running a lot? - That's what I always thought of. - Cutting his finger off mid-game is the title of this video. - Jesus. - Why does it still have a nail? If you cut your finger in half, does it's just a start, get a nail? - We need to get running on here. - Is it just like so much of the, it's like halfway through the pinky, is that what it is? - And so there's still a little bit of nail left. It's just like, he like clipped it right through the. - Yeah. - Yeah. - There's Chuck. - Look at that Chuck Bednarek maybe. - Oh yeah. - Look at that fingers. - All right, tune in next week. We're gonna show you guys some fucked up feet. - Concrete Chuck, except his hands. (laughing) They made his entire body of concrete in his hands of hanger wire. (laughing)