Pastor's Mistress Reads DAMNING Texts in Wife's Murder Trial

- I just wish I didn't say this. - There's a message that. - I mean it says. - What, says I want to kill her Caleb? - Who said that? - Me. - Next message. - I said it's so bad. - Next message. - He said that makes two of us. - Caleb Flynn's alleged mistress back on the stand, reading back her own words to the jury. But today, the defense got its turn, and it was a very different story. - You made a comment during direct examination that when you had said that you wanted to kill Ashley, that you didn't mean it. And at the time, you didn't believe that Caleb meant to kill you but when he said it, I did not believe him at all. - But we have to talk about what just went down in the courtroom at the very end. The state played something for the jury that no one saw coming. We're on the case presented by Law and Crime. I'm Chris Stewart. - Wow, there is a lot to get to that took place in the courtroom today in the trial of Caleb Flynn. You have Alia Botner. This is the mistress that Caleb Flynn was in an affair with for almost two years. Going line by line with prosecutors, laying out an affair that was not just intimate. That would have been bad enough that you have this married man stepping out on his wife, the mother of his children. This affair, it was mean, and it was nasty. And we've gone through some of the awful things that Caleb Flynn and Alia Botner said about Ashley Flynn. But these messages today, they didn't just lay out how Caleb Flynn apparently felt about Ashley Flynn. And we talked about how he has messages saying that he wanted her dead. But it was clear today there was an apparent desire by Alia Botner for this marriage between Caleb and Ashley to come to an end. And just wait until we show you how the defense took Botner on during cross-examination as Caleb Flynn sat just feet away at the table for the defense. Now, Alia Botner, she's just 24 years old and she was a worship leader at Caleb Flynn's church. And she's the woman prosecutors have said she was having an affair with. And she's up there on the stand today for hours after she did hours yesterday under direct examination. And prosecutors went back to the messages that she sent, really going one by one, message by message. And this time they didn't just read them. They showed the jury what Botner said back. This was shocking because prosecutors say that Botner was not just listening to Caleb Flynn. Maybe even just going along with some of the messages that he was sending, she was answering. And she said, quote, I want to kill her Caleb when talking about Ashley Flynn. And this was one of the texts and we'll show you this moment where Botner appears to break down on the stand as she reads her own words. She writes, quote, needs to go. Botner continued on saying, quote, we need a solution, Caleb. We need it to be me and you forever and no exceptions. And Caleb, according to the messages that we heard in open court today, allegedly wrote back, quote, he's hire someone to take out. I need you in my life. Now law and crime's Anjana Levy. She's the host of crime fix. She's going to join me here in a moment because she's in the courtroom for all of this. And she's going to break down what she saw. And you just think of the dynamic in that courtroom. It's not a big courtroom. But you have Caleb Flynn at the defense table. His mistress across from him. Just feed away on the witness stand. And then behind him, Ashley Flynn's family. Her mom, Jill, her dad, Todd watching from the gallery as these messages about their own daughter are read aloud in open court. Messages that were sent by their son in law, who they thought loved their daughter and thought loved them. And there were messages that he sent to someone they knew as well, a member of the staff at their church. But let's talk a little bit more about what the jury actually heard today because prosecutors, they go back to these messages. And this time we heard a lot of what botnar reportedly said back. And that's where things got even worse because prosecutors were not just showing the jury one message. And we've heard from opening statements, some of the damning things that Caleb Flynn said about his wife. Today with these messages, they were laying out a pattern. Caleb Flynn telling his mistress over and over for months that he wanted his wife dead. All of this started in May of 2025, nearly a year before Ashley Flynn was killed. Caleb said on May 16th, 25, "If I could literally kill her and not go to hell, I would do it in a heartbeat. That's how dark and hateful I feel." He said, "I know it's horrendous. That's why I constantly tell you I hate her, low of her, I want her dead." I said on June 12th, 25, "I need you." Next message? Caleb said, "Please hire someone to take douche out. I need you in my life, I need you." Next message? I said, "So tempting. I can't live without you." I said on July 4th, 25, "Due she needs to go." Next message? He said on the same day, "I would literally have a smile on my face the whole time." Next message? Then he said, "Please take her out." Next message? I said, "Do you ever miss the smiths?" He said, "What? No." Next message? He said, "No, even for a second." Next message? I said, "Pray Scott." Can I just wish I didn't say this? There was a message said. I didn't even. He says, "I want to kill her Caleb." You said that? Me. Next message? I said, "It's so bad." Next message? He said, "That makes two of us." By August of 2025, the affair had been going on for more than a year. And that's when the message is shifted. Botaner told the jury that she was struggling. She hated being the other woman. And Caleb Flynn, he told her, he was too. Because while Caleb was apparently telling Botaner that he wanted out of the marriage, he was also allegedly telling her, "I want her dead." I was in Bear Lake. I went on morning walks every single morning by myself, praying and screaming out to the Lord, praying when, praying I'd be mauled by a bear. You're hurting. But I'm not trying to be careless, as you say. I'm just trying to trust Jesus. I said on August 4th, 25, "Have a great day. Sure, you're doing loads of work these next two days before leaving on your beloved. 15-year anniversary trip. 15 years. Our 17 months doesn't even compare. She always wins. I truly have never been more sick to my stomach and I've never wanted to die more. I was up till 4 a.m. last night crying and literally thinking of ways to kill her and not go to jail. It's only because of a listen, Ava. I have been literally trying to find a way to get rid of her. To be rid of her. By September of 2025, these messages that are so hateful about Ashley Flynn, they go to a new level, because it becomes a possible cover-up for this affair. Botaner told the jury that she was coaching Caleb Flynn on how to delete everything, and that she was worried about what Ashley Flynn may have already seen. I said, "On September 2nd, 25, I said if she tried to get the data from WhatsApp, it's not possible. Maybe change your password to be super hard to access the account as well just in case." I said, "Also, I have a question. Did Ashley keep those screenshots of our messages?" He said, "I deleted them off the iPad." What are you talking about then? The pictures of the messages she took a picture of when she found them on the iPad. What pictures were those? Pictures of all the messages we sent on the iPad. Did that include the picture of you with the ring? Yes. He said, "I could try and grab her phone when she sleeps to check. I said she might wonder why you're on your phone if she catches you. What would be your excuse?" I said, "Just think of one." He said, "I'll put mine somewhere weird or something and say I can't find mine so I'm calling it." Then we get to October. And by now, prosecutors say Caleb Flynn wasn't just talking about wanting his wife gone. He was telling his mistress that he was ready to blow up his entire life for her. "So on the same day, I'm sorry, Alia. I know being here is awful. It's why I'm fasting 40 days to get out of this. Please remember that. I'm fasting because I want you, not her. I'm trying to get out. I think what I'm willing to sacrifice is my daughter's a quarter million dollar salary job, a place to live, possibly a church that I serve at, public shame and humiliation and way more. Alia, that's what I'm willing to sacrifice. I said, "I'm not October 2nd. It's simple Caleb before the day fast is over. You leave her and yours again forever." I said, "I'm on October 6th. Caleb, I want you to leave her right now. Me leaving do through and my daughter's lives, and yet I will still do it." By late November, 2025, Botaner says, according to the messages, she had enough. She told Caleb that she needed to know was he leaving or not? Then you have December 26th, 2025. This is one day after Christmas and Alia Botner tells Caleb Flynn she's done. In December 26th, you're always all talk and join Minnesota and hurting me even more. I've heard you almost weren't going to go. Thanks for doing everything I beg you not to. I gave you a lifetime and I gave you a timeline and you didn't follow it. I'm not important enough. There's no way you told her you were leaving her and that everything is just okay between you two right now. No way in hell she could have been a soda with you or not tell her family. Something's off here. You'll never do it. You always say you will then it never happens. I'm done being murdered by you. Then by January 11th, the deadline that she had laid out had passed. She told Caleb Flynn she was moving on. Sorry, January 11th. Your deadline is over and I haven't heard any updates from you about anything all weekend. Like you said, it's time for me to put my big roll cancel and be strong and officially move on from you and us. I desperately wish this all could have been different. I hope you're happy with all you've taken from me. I was so ready to spend the rest of my life with you. I had never been more sure about anything in anyone in my entire life. I was wrong. Then on February 3rd, Caleb Flynn reaches out again. I'm literally numb right now and have no words. I don't say that in a way to pass a blame or to make this about me. I'm numb at this whole situation is the absolute worst thing I've ever gone through. I'm not, not time with you but douche and the pain we have felt. I'm sorry you feel the trade or that I have stolen things from you. Never in a million years did I ever mean to hurt you. You say that I have hurt you the worst out of anyone in your entire life. That will be something I will live with the rest of my life as I know it in a mean way of it. February 3rd, I'm sorry to text you. I don't expect you to message back. I'm certain you won't. I'm not trying to mess with you or your heart or make things hard or to hurt you. I don't know if you even still have this app or if you've blocked me. I've spent a lot of time on my own and in Cleveland. I finished the lyrics to our song to your song. Although it made me nothing to you. I wanted to give them to you. I said you have no idea the absolute hell I've been through. I've been let down way too many times by you. I have every right to have my walls all the way up. How dare you downplay what I have faced over and over again. How dare you. You don't know the true depth of what you've done to my heart, Caleb. I don't believe in love anymore because of you. Do you understand that? He says then let me show you and make you believe again. Now we're at February 15th, 2026. This is the night before Ashley Flynn was allegedly murdered. Botner says that Caleb Flynn told her he was going to leave. He had this plan together for divorce that he was going to tell Ashley Flynn's parents. And finally, in his words, he was going to be done. Botner allegedly asked if Caleb was sure and he said he was. I said are you second guessing the timing of this all? Need your honest vulnerable thoughts? He said no. I said there's no way you're not wondering if this is the wrong decision. He said I don't think there will ever be a good timing of this. I just have to do it. Do you know? Do you know that you need to do this? Do you 100% notice the right decision? He said okay, actions will come tomorrow. Words will never not be scared to do this. I'll never not be scared to do this as I never want to hurt my daughters. That will always be there. But this month away from you has terrified me beyond belief. If this gives me a 1% chance to spend my life with you, it's the 100% right decision. You will see tomorrow, well actually today now. I've already made the first step and talk to her. Now it's her family. Then you and Josh probably been Jordan. It's happening. Alia, February 16th. Day I'll never forget. I said you're about to be free. He said I choose you, Alia. You're more than enough. Good night. February 16th, 2026, 750 in the morning. Alia Botner, text Caleb Flynn, a reminder about the burner phone that she was using and that he needed to go get one. That was part of their plan that they had talked about allegedly in the days leading up to February 16th. And she says that was the last normal message between them. Before she reached out again after someone else sent her a message about what had just happened at Caleb Flynn's home. I know you said not to text first, but real quick. When you get the burner, you'll have to text this number. Next message was Caleb. I just saw the news. Someone told me to pray for Mrs. Flynn and all caps. What is going on right now? Where are you behind this? I said what is going on? Is this real? Later that morning, Alia Botner, who was staying at the pastor's home because he was on vacation and she was house sitting. Prosecutors have played video of her leaving and she says that she was going to the home of the smiths. Ashley Flynn's parents because that's where church members were gathering as support for a family who had just lost their daughter. And she says Botner, when she walks into the smiths home, there is Caleb Flynn and he came up to her. When I walked in, he didn't see me at first. He came over and hugged me. And then the first thing he said to me was it didn't happen the way we thought it would did it. I said, Caleb, how. how did this happen? Do you not have cameras in your house? How did you not know someone was breaking into your house? I was asking him just a lot of questions and really wondering how this happened. And I was just very suspicious. He said he was slipping on the couch that he woke up the first time from the dog's shivering. And he thought it was weird, but then he went back to sleep. And then the second time he woke up was from a gunshot. He said that he ran straight to the garage door, saw that it was wide open and then went into. looked at the Ashley's room and he said he saw blood everywhere. And he said, he'll never forget that site. Okay, so on cross, the defense gets their chance to question Alia Botner and they came out swinging and they went right at her credibility. And you testified on direct examination that that was out of your interest to protect your reputation. I think it was approximately February 26th that you attended a second interview with your drain Zechra. Simple. In your first interview, you indicated that you did not believe that Caleb killed Ashley Zechra. I said that before I admitted to the affair. Yes. Okay. And in the second interview, you indicated that you did believe that Caleb killed a boy. Yes. And that was in the second interview when you had retained counsel. Can you explain your retained counsel? That's why you're the lawyer and that was in the second interview. Yes. Prior to them coming to you from your house and coming to get you for an interview, you never reached out to anyone including law enforcement about your concerns. Prior to the first meeting? Right. Before the I came to get you for an interview, you never reached out to law enforcement about any of your concerns about Caleb. No. And did you tell anyone else about your concerns? I did not. And then the phone and the laptop, both of which she claims she lost, in January of this year on a trip to Florida. Your Florida trip was in January 26th? Yes. Okay. You went alone with your dog to get away. Okay. You stated on direct that when you came home, you went to Walmart to get that fixed. Yes. Were you given a receipt? I don't believe I was given a receipt. Were you given any documentation of going to Walmart to get your phone fixed? I'm sure I could go in my bank statements and find them. Was that provided to law enforcement? Did I ask for it? And then the defense made this point. That Bodner was not just the mistress, she was his boss. You were the worship leader at CLC. Yes. What were your duties as the worship leader? I planned set lists. I had a team that I would lead the different team every weekend. Your team included people that would play in terminals and sing during church services? Yes. And you had multiple of those every weekend, every week even. And you were the leader of that team? And was Caleb Flynn on that team? He was. So was he your subordinate in that regard? He was my. Were you in his boss as far as the worship team was concerned? I was his leader. Okay. And you had an office at CLC? Yes. Then the defense made a point about the messages themselves and she admitted something. That she was the one who sent more than Caleb Flynn did, roughly twice as many. By the time that these group messages started in February of 2025, you and Caleb had already been involved in your affair. of approximately a year, okay. So the dynamic of your relationship is already the set of that one. Yeah. And you also testify that there's of all those messages, there's approximately, there's over a hundred and seven thousand of them. Yes. And many of the messages that you read were sent by you, correct? Yes. Would you be surprised to learn that the messages that you sent are double what Caleb sent? That would not be surprised to learn that. And that's when the defense showed the jury the context with even more messages, ones that we had not heard before. Because they say the messages the jury heard already. Those were not the full story. The messages that the prosecutor had you read on direct, you admit that there are several things that you said within those that you now regret. Absolutely. And do you believe that there is context to some of those messages that you had not read? Yes. I said on May 16th of 25, have a great time as a family and as parents celebrating your daughter. I feel physically sick with this stuff. You have absolutely no idea. Now parents is catalyzed in this message, correct? Yes. Next in the fish. What a perfect amazing freaking family. What an amazing duo you and her are. I want to run in front of a bus. And Caleb, when I make comments like amazing duo, it's never against you. It's against the situation. So there was that to 23,248 is a message you read earlier. And the context prior to that message is that you were upset that he was spending time with Ashley. Yes. He said that same day all I want is you. I'm sorry I've hurt you. I was up to 4 a.m. last night crying literally trying to think of ways to kill or not go to jail. Even though you've said if she was gone you wouldn't want me. I'm sorry, Ellie, for this. Would you agree that there are more messages than once you've read and gave 107,000 where you have talked about how much you've paid it Ashley. Yes. Would you agree that there are more messages than 1007,000 other than the ones that you read where you have wished that Ashley was gone? Yes. And they're more than where you have demanded that actually be gone. And the defense also asked Alia botnar a question that matters a lot here. Did she actually believe that Caleb Flynn really hated Ashley Flynn as much as he said he did and did he really want her debt. During direct examination that when you had said that you wanted to kill Ashley that you didn't mean it. And at the time you didn't believe that Caleb meant to eat it when he said it. I did not believe he meant it. And why didn't you believe he meant it? I don't think you could ever be capable of doing something like that. And then the defense moved on to what botnar researched on chat GPT because they wanted the jury to hear why botnar was really helping it. You understood all of that to mean that he was pursuing a divorce from Ashley correct? Yes. You did not take those messages to mean that he was pursuing a murder. Which is why you sent chat GPT research and demanded that he read it. What were your concerns that caused you to end up that research and send it to him? I thought that if you followed through the divorce like I said on the messages that there was a possibility that if Ashley brought up the messages she saw between us and the affair that his phone could be search warranted and I just wanted to make sure that all the messages were on his phone so that the affair wouldn't be found out. So that was the alleged mistress and then after her cross examination something happens that I could not have predicted in a million years. The state played for the jury something they found when they went through Caleb Flynn's devices an FBI agent was called to the stand and this is the guy who looks through all of the tech that Caleb Flynn had like an Apple watch and a horror ring but he came across two audio files they are songs that Caleb Flynn produced for a Leabotner about their relationship. The lyrics apparently are Caleb's but the voice the audio you hear that was AI and we're gonna play just a bit of the recording for you here. Now not only did you have that and it was a lot you also have the other pieces of digital evidence that the state is presenting to the jury because this forensic expert went through Caleb Flynn's iPhone looked at his Apple Watch's horror ring and they showed activity around the time that he called 911 on February 16th. The phone was locked in charging from 107 in the morning to 2.30 a.m. There was no activity no one was touching it then at 2.30 a.m. the phone was unlocked face ID 22 seconds later the 911 call. Now the Apple Watch told the same story heart rate reading started at 1.33 in the morning and the last one was at 2.10 then after that nothing. The watch recorded steps as well small bursts then at 2.18 a.m. 105 steps and after that the step data switched from the watch to the phone. The examiner said that suggests that the watch was no longer being worn then there were airpods they connected to the phone at 2.29 in the morning the phone was still locked. The examiner said you can't change the audio source on a locked phone so either the airpods were in someone's ear or someone used the Apple Watch to do it and one more thing the examiner said there were no text messages between Caleb Flynn and his wife none and four apps had been uninstalled from his phone including an AI music generator on top of that chat GPT group me and Instagram group me was that platform where he communicated with the Leabotner a lot now group me and Instagram were both deleted at 101 and 102 in the morning on February 16th which is just before the 911 call was made at 2.30 in the morning where Caleb Flynn claimed that someone broke into his house and shot his wife joining us out to talk more about the day in court and what a day it was engine at Levy from long crime host of crime fix I have to ask the engine at because I mean I'm sitting back and I'm watching these songs that Caleb Flynn wrote for a Leabotner and just seeing the looks on people's faces as the songs are being played like what was that like I have to tell you Chris you know Paul Watkins he said there was an audio file related to the relationship between Caleb Flynn and Alia Botner and you know I thought okay he's gonna play it right he's gonna play whatever this audio file is and then we find out it's a song and I must tell you I noticed a family member of Ashley Flynn's cover her mouth with a tissue and kind of say oh my and and we all kind of I think there was a collective kind of like wait they're gonna play they're going to play a song and so once it started playing people in the in the courtroom were trying to keep their composure and not laugh there was one member of the jury that kind of tried to cover her mouth at one point in time some people were not able to contain themselves I mean I I almost laughed a little bit too because I it almost seemed like this was not how is this real this can't be real I know they were in the music ministry but my gosh like they're we're we're hearing a song this guy wrote and composed I guess on an AI music composer for his you know 23-year-old 22-year-old mistress and we've just heard all this testimony from her and he's talking about how she's just like his life he loves her so much and all of this stuff and it was absolutely stunning but Todd Smith actually Ashley Flynn's father at the end of the first song actually looked at his wife and kind of chuckled so they were actually some of those family members were trying not to laugh and I think that they they didn't think of as funny but I think they thought it was ridiculous That's how I interpreted that. - Yeah, I think, I mean, it was ridiculous, especially after you think of all the text messages that we had heard over the past day, and even on cross-examination, some of the text messages, and like what this relationship was like, and you thought that that was probably the most, you know, outrageous, I don't know if that's the word, but like, to end the day on that, like seven minutes, like AI music, of this, like, I mean, it was, I've never seen it before, I was like, and to your point, it's like, how is this real? But it is, and it kind of speaks to what this relationship was like. Before we get to the cross-examination, let's go back to the beginning. There's a lot there. Go back to the beginning of the day, and you have the hours leading up to Ashley Flynn's death, and you have that these text messages that Caleb Flynn was exchanging with the Leopautner, something along the lines of, you know, they had this plan that he was going to divorce, at least from her perspective, she says that it was going to be about divorce, that he was going to leave Ashley Flynn, and they were going to figure everything out with like burner phones, and it kind of builds up to that moment, and then she talks about the next day where she sees Caleb Flynn at the house. I know it may feel like, I mean, it was like, earlier in the day and a long time ago, but like even that part of it, before we got to the cross-examination, like what stood out to you about the effectiveness of the prosecution bringing Leopautner into this case? - Well, you know, the text that the prosecution had, her read, of course, were all favorable to the prosecution. I mean, they make Leopautner look very bad. They make Caleb Flynn look very bad. Alia actually said, in the beginning of the day, Chris, if you'll recall, she started to tear up, and she said, I wish I hadn't written this. She said, I want to kill Ashley in a text message, like who talks like that? I mean, who talks like that? And he's basically, they talked about hiring a hitman, or there was a talk, somebody mentioned hiring a hitman, or putting out a hit, or please have her killed, they used that D word that they were using to talk about Ashley, that I don't really like to say, but they use that word, and it's nasty and gross and vulgar. And it was unbelievable. And then, you know, at one point, it's like, one of them says to the other, like, please kill the D word, and the other one's, yes, please do. Just make it, you know, make her go away, or something like that, it was unbelievable, and she tears up, and then all of a sudden, the tears, you know, they go away. But obviously, this relationship was toxic. These two argued, they would say they were in love, I would say that they were in lust, and wanted to control each other. You know, it's like forbidden fruit. You know, it's that kind of thing. Just a mess. Absolute mess is what this is, toxic. And so, I think it shows, you know, a level of desperation with these, both of these people, both Aliyah, a younger woman, and Caleb Flynn, and an older man, he's an older man compared to her, even though he's only 40. And it shows the lengths, I guess, that the prosecution is trying to show that Caleb Flynn would go to to be with Aliyah Botner. - Well, and even like the day after Ashley Flynn's death, like, she told this story about going to the home of Todd and Jill Smith, because that's where members of the church were going, and it's like stood out to me, that Caleb Flynn, she says, the first thing that he said to her was, quote, it didn't happen how he thought it would, did it? And it's like, here's a guy who's claiming that someone literally just broke into his house and killed his wife, and it's like, that's the first thing you say to somebody, like, after this happened, like, and if, you know, she's alleging that, like, that to me was a shocking moment, too. - That was an incredibly shocking moment, because it seems so cold in callus. And that is what he says to her. When he sees her at the Smith's home, and she said, she asked him about what happened, and he told her the story about being asleep and being on the couch, and then running into Ashley's room and finding her. There was no talk about being in the room with the girls. So the story definitely changed, and you'll notice, at the end of that, Caleb Flynn kind of shook his head like this, at the end of that bit of testimony, what that head shaking of no meant, I don't know, whether he's denying, he said that, whether he's denying that that's exactly what he said, or that that interaction even happened, I don't know. But, you know, the jury was paying very close attention to everything she was saying, you know, there was one mailedger who just kind of stared at her the entire time, wasn't taking any notes, and I kind of thought to myself that he just thought the whole thing, you know, it's hard because they all look so stoic, but he just, the way he was looking at her, I thought he's probably thinking, these people are nuts, these people are crazy. - Yeah, and that's, I think what a lot of people just kind of looking at, you know, some of the reactions online is this is going on throughout the day, like a lot of people feel that way. The defense then gets, after lunch, their opportunity to cross examine Alia Botner, and they had even more text messages, some that the prosecution didn't present to the jury, and I felt like it just made her look even worse, and like they were really painting her as someone who was obsessive about Kayla Flynn, and not just that, like she really, and she admitted to it, like resented Ashley Flynn. - Yes, yes, she hated Ashley Flynn, because essentially she wanted to be Mrs. Caleb Flynn. That's what Alia wanted. She wanted Ashley's life, and she said that she felt that Caleb was lying to her at times, because she had seen Caleb out in public with Ashley, and they were acting lovingly toward one another. She even messaged them on, him on Valentine's Day, and was asking like, what are you doing? Are you doing something with her? How did you propose to her? She said she was spiraling at one point in one of the text messages, actually in two of the text messages, just going on and on and on, getting herself into a tizzy about him and his wife, and I just thought to myself, wow, she was obsessive, she was jealous, at one point there was a talk about him choosing her, Alia, over his daughters, so to me, the whole thing was just awful, and they were trying to show that she had a motive to carry this out herself. That's what they were trying to show, and they are showing basically that the police did not investigate her. No prints, no DNA swab, no search of her car, no search of her apartment, and she's testifying under no type of immunity agreement. She's not facing any charges. Despite the fact that for months, she talked with Kayla, they both talked back and forth about wanting Ashley dead. - And I think she said like she had, those two interviews with the FBI, one was on the 20th where she lied about not having this affair. She gets a lawyer six days later on the 26th, she ends up admitting to having this affair, but other than that, she said she didn't really talk to police, said that she spoke to prosecutors a good bit, but there's no deal in place, she's testifying at this point. And I guess as far as an alibi engineer, like what has been told to us by prosecutors and kind of by that ring doorbell footage they have, is like she was at the pastor's house house sitting, gets there at like 12 midnight or so. She's texting Kayla to tell about 12.45, and then in the morning she leaves. - Right, that's it. And she had that burner phone. She texts Kayla from the burner phone, I guess. But that's, yeah, that's her alibi that she's at a house alone by herself. That's her alibi. And so I guess they believe that checks out because her car didn't leave. So there's the story. - Yeah, and then finally, you know, the witness who ends up bringing these two songs, which was shocking, still trying to find words to explain that, but he also talked about the Apple Watch. He talked about an oral ring. He talked about data related to Caleb Flynn around the time that Ashley Flynn passed away. Some of those numbers, you know, it's kind of hard to like get into the weeds specifically. And like still, I think it's unknown, like exactly what it means and what prosecutors are saying it means, but it does seem, at least from the way I took it, is like, there is a lot of activity around 230 in the morning on February 16th inside Caleb Flynn's house. - That's correct. He was walking around quite a bit, moving closer to the time of that 911 call. There were a lot of steps. What I thought was interesting was his last recorded heart rate on his Apple Watch was at 210 AM. And that to me is very curious. You'll recall there were some crime scene photos that showed an Apple Watch on the kitchen counter near some photographs of the two girls. Why did, why did, was that Apple watch suddenly taken off at 210 AM? why? That's an interesting question. What was going on at 210 AM that you took your Apple watch off and put it on the kitchen counter. So then we have the 911 call at 230 but yes you're right. A lot of steps close to the time of that 911 call, a lot of steps, a lot of walking around and also there was a heart rate spike. The heart rate rate was kind of down for a time and then there was a slight spike and then it went back down during that time. So they've got a lot of data that they're putting out there to show that Caleb Flynn said he was a sleep but he wasn't asleep because he's taking steps. So the defense will likely say look he told you he was on the couch and he went in to check on the girls and then here's a gunshot and then he went into you know the bedroom. So of course he's walking around. He's calling 911 to try to help his wife. Of course he's walking around a lot. He's panicking and pacing around. So I'm sure the defense will have some line of questioning to address these facts in the morning. Yeah and just lastly because I know you've been watching Caleb Flynn you know every day and like in the beginning I mean he was he was crying a lot in court and then the last two days during botaners testimony today he got a little emotional when she was getting emotional on the stand for but she was pretty stoic for the most part and you know throughout the entire testimony she had. What are you just see because I can only see his face like from the cameras that we have on him and he certainly looks defeated uncomfortable and all those things but just like what are you taking away from how he's acting in the courtroom now? You know he he actually for the first time today I saw I noticed after the after the Aliyah got off the stand I noticed that Emily Smith his female defense attorney handed him a report and I believe that was probably the BCI report from special agent Wilhelm who looked at all the self-in-data and air pod data and he actually thumbed through that it was the first time I've really seen him do that he looked through it and he just kind of looked through that paperwork for a little bit I had not seen him do this I actually saw him write down a note or two also for the defense during Aliyah's testimony I hadn't seen that pretty previously but he basically was just sitting doing the same thing you know it was a little bit of the rubbing of the hands today a little bit more of that where he has his hands in his laps and lap and he's just kind of rubbing them together rubbing his thumbs together that type of thing but you know not not much reaction that I can tell as far as when his songs played and things like that he doesn't even look over at the jury that I can see it all so I find that to be pretty interesting now it seemed like he was looking down in a way when Aliyah bought nearest testifying and then you just kind of see him staring off in the distance during those songs and you're just like what is going through that guy's head right now or at least in those four minutes which is a pretty long song to be honest that he had I think his attorneys also Chris I think is it told him to knock it off with all the crying I really do I think they told him to knock it off with all the crying to try to control himself it's not doing him any favors no and I think it's a good point too because that was really such a headline like each day was like wow look at Caleb Flynn and how emotional he is and then now he's kind of you know settled back certainly looks defeated but you're not seeing the emotion and kind of that grabbing the attention of the day we'll see what happens next the judge right as that song came to a conclusion wrapped it for the day we'll see if there's any more audio files tomorrow and Janette Levy host of crime fix here on long crime in the courtroom each day for the Caleb Flynn trial thanks and then we'll do it for on the case presented by law and crime I'm Chris Stewart we'll see you next time