Pastor DISMANTLES Viral Feminist LIE That’s Destroying Marriages | Live Free with Josh Howerton

- For the last 20 years in our culture, men have generally been lied about, and women have generally been lied to. - Marriage isn't about you, and it's not even about your spouse. - Ultimately, Bible tells us that marriage is supposed to be a pointer to our relationship with Jesus Christ. - God's commands are not burdensome. And if God says don't, he means don't hurt yourself. - Well, hey, a living free nation. Before we jump into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lake Point Church in Dallas, Texas, but the live free nation is spread all over the country and all around the world. So if you've been watching and thinking, man, I wish I could be part of something like this. We wanna invite you to take a simple next step, and that is join us for church online. Every weekend, we stream our services live on YouTube, Facebook and our church online platform, and it's more than just watching a service. There are a live hosts in the chat, prayer teams ready to stand with you, and people all around the world worshiping together in real time. And so whether you're exploring the faith, coming back to church, or just looking for a place to start, church online is a great way to jump in and experience what God is doing here at Lake Point. We would love to see you in the chat this weekend, and now enjoy the podcast. - Go. - Let's get-- (laughing) - All right, let me just, I'm doing it. Hey, welcome to live free with ladies and gentlemen, Miles Murphy. - Come on, man. - Miles, say the thing that Carlos is. - Yeah, this is my best Carlos impersonation. And so one, live your nation, good to see you guys. - Hey. - Hey. - Amazing podcast. I'm Miles Murphy here with Pastor Josh Howardton and Pastor Paul Cunningham. - Oh my goodness. - Man, we got an amazing episode. - Well, it's safe to say the thing. The thing we always say at the beginning of the day. - The thing we always say, let's kick this thing. - Let's kick this thing. - So here's, here's what's going on. Carlos, where is Carlos? - So my theory, I don't know where he's at. My theory is that he went to universal, and that's where I'd rise, but to secretly check out Harry Potter World, after our midweek episode that dropped where he said that he would never watch it. I think he's secretly checking it out. - Which house would Carlos be in? What would he be? - I'm feeling helpful, Puff. - That's exactly what I was going to say. (laughing) - We had a moment, we had a moment, we drove in and he was going to say, "I'm going to eye contact." And he was like, "I don't, yeah, hang on." - Oh, sorry. So now I'm not sure where Carlos is. But listen, man, we're so excited you're here. - Man, I want to be here. - It's not so so. - It's great. This is a fun. - So here's what we're doing, honestly. It's just more fun to have three dudes to hang out and talk to. So Miles, you've been in like, have you had two different roles here at Lake Point, right? - Man, I got a several of our student team past few years and helping with our church. A lot of awesome ways. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And Miles is awesome, fun, funny, and godly. And the son of the guy that runs my entire office, Ken Murphy. - Yeah. - And so he's royalty. - And. - Let me put it in a question. Hey, Miles, can I ask you a question? - I'll add it. - Look at that. - Yeah. - That's my thing. - Alrighty. - If you're a sign-filled fan, he stole my move. - Yeah, he stole my move. - He's okay. - All of the references we got going already today. So hey, Miles, who do you think is the best or at least your favorite student pastor of all time? And there's only one correct answer to this question. - Man, I think there's a guy named Paul Cunningham. - Oh, no, I was a student pastor in 2012. - Well, I mean, he was personally in. So yeah, Miles was in my student ministry, Josh. When I believe you're in eighth grade. - He was grade by six months before I got moved to a different campus, but he was my student ministry. It's crazy you're sitting beside me now. - Well, this can be fun. So basically, like there will be times in this podcast where I go, hey, Miles, now is when we transition to talking about Alex Cooper's collar daddy podcast clip, which by the way, we're gonna do here in a second. And then Miles will do the thing that Carlos does and transition us, but we just wanna have three. So can I run down what we're gonna talk about? - Let's do this. - This episode is very, very full. - Yes it is. - So we're gonna keep this moving. We've got a lot of Bible to get to, last time we get to. First of all, we had so many people that asked the thing, you kinda gotta talk about the thing. Hey, should we do Halloween? What do we do about Halloween? So we're gonna do Halloween. We're gonna talk Rich Young Ruler. By the way, have you heard the theory on the secret identity of Rich Young Ruler? Have you heard this? - I thought we'd talk about it before but I can't remember it. - Bravo, blow my mind. - Blow my mind. - Okay, so we're gonna do Rich Young Ruler. - Okay. - Then we're going to quote without naming the person. - 'Cause we're kind. - We're gonna quote without naming the person. - What are probably the three most influential pastors in the United States in the last 30 years? - Yeah. - Who says that, we're gonna talk about the role of the Ten Commandments in life of the New Covenant Christian because the theory was, has no binding authority whatsoever on a New Covenant Christian. Thou shalt not obey the Ten Commandments was the quote. So we're gonna do a little theological, New Covenant, Old Covenant, Discontinuity, Ten Commandments. And then we're gonna talk, I did not have this on my Bingo card. We're gonna talk, by the way, converted only fans model because of the live free podcast. We'll come to that in a second. And then shot Chaser, we'll talk about Alex Cooper and Collard Daddy encouraging, is it true that if you wanna get divorced women should always do that because they can always find someone, but we'll do it all this time. - Wow, it's gonna be full. - Yeah, full day. - Is there anything else we're gonna talk about? - That's the big stuff. We have some folks to celebrate from this past week or something. - Yeah, this past week, man, really special time here at Lake Point. I mean, we got to host hundreds of church planners and their spouses. - The best. - Man, like, I was in the room, we were on the room. Like, pretty incredible. I was in the back and just getting to watch them worship. I mean, tell us. - It's nuts. So we, yeah, my mom was a good job right there. - I appreciate that. - Hey, that was really good. - You know what I mean? - It was really good. We did, so we did the Strategic Launch Network. That's like moisture's plan at work. We started that, how many years ago? We've now planted over 100. It's 102 now. - Unreal. - Churches in the least church cities in the United States. So it was awesome. Once a year, all those churches come in. And like those pastors, I think, oh no, it's definitely true. There are more people worshiping weekly. And churches started by a lake point in those hardest to reach cities every week. Then our worshiping at Lake Point. - Wow. - I think they said this week that those church plants have passed 30,000 baptisms. I think that has recently happened. Don't quote me on that. I should have double-checked that. But, I'm pretty sure. And so that was this week. And it was awesome. - It was amazing. - Dude, it was amazing. - This was incredible. - This was amazing. Oh, by the way, if listeners are, we get this all the time, hey, how can I find a good church? - Yeah. - What are they supposed to do, Miles? - Man, they can text the word map. If I get a thumbs up in the back. - It's the same thing, right? - It's the same thing. - Thumbs up, text word map. It's the 204-11, man, you can find a church. Get plugged in locally where you're planted already. Man, go hang, tell them the free sentia. And man, it's a week of time. - Hey, really good job there, Miles. - I mean, it's really good. - Thank you. - You just delivered it, bro. - And honestly, what this connects to, we'll get into the Bible in a minute, dive deeper into the sermon, not there yet. But this can relax, really, as a lens to our into the breach initiative that we just launched. Because part of what we're doing is we're trying to get all in commitment from our people. - That's right. - See, the key in advance, is to plant more of those types of churches around the nation, around North America. - Into the breach, we'll fund a minimum, a minimum of the next, help fund the minimum of the next 20 churches that we plant. So, yeah, man, all in, into the breach together, we went, "Oh, last thing." And then you're gonna transition us to talking about Halloween. We'll start talking about the Bible. I will say this, a ton of people, they saw the sermon this last week, and listen to podcasts and they were like, "Hey, how do I get the discipleship guide?" 'Cause we got the 21 days of prayer. All the devotionals are written by me, and Jan, and our elders, and all that stuff. If you want that, Miles, how do they get that? - You have to go to linkpoint.church/itbonline. I'm getting the head nods everywhere, man, let's go. Make a link point to our church/itbonline. Make it that resource guide for you as we start 20s of prayer, all those things. - I mean, Miles. - Really good job. - I appreciate it. - It is really good. - You can say universal for another week. - I'm not just saying it. - That's great, just killed it, man. - All right, that's amazing. - Let's start talking stuff. - Let's do it. - We're gonna talk about it. - Yeah, so, hey, Halloween is literally in a few days, and so, it's not a controversial conversation at all in Christian circles, it is. Here's the deal. Every year, Christians are asking their pastor, "Hey, can Christian celebrate Halloween? Should I, my neighbor does it? They put this in their front yard, they do this. My kids want to do this. The classrooms happen to Halloween party at school. All the things, especially Josh, what do you think, pastor? - All right, so, first of all, I just wanna hit this real quick because everybody in their mom talks about this online for like all of October, but let me just do this real quick. So, here's a quick taxonomy that's really helpful. I've heard it said like this that, man, with anything in the world, Christians need to ask the question, there's a taxonomy, if three are words, do I receive it, reject it, or can we redeem it? Receive reject, redeem. There are some things that Christians can just obviously receive. Like, the Bible literally says, "All things are to be received with Thanksgiving." There's a ton of things that it's just, man, this is a good and godly gift. I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna use my iPhone, I'm gonna drive my truck, I'm gonna watch my TV, we can just receive it. It's morally neutral. There are some things that Christians, it's not receive worthy, and it is not redeem possible. You just reject it. There is no way to redeem pornography. There's just stuff like that. It's like, you know, ain't nothing to do with it. We just reject it, okay. And then there's some things that Christians look at and they go, "Hey, man, actually, if I just took that and we redeemed it, you could do something special with it." For instance, we would not have time to get into this. A lot of the holidays that Christians celebrate, honestly, you know what they used to be on a calendar? They used to be pagan holidays. The Christians kind of, like a bunch of people got saved in a country, and Christians went, "Hey, man, everybody's already off work. Grandma makes the dip this day every year, and everybody comes to Dad's farm in wherever it, you know, let's just redeem it. and turn it into a Christian holiday and worship Jesus on this holiday. That's redeem, okay? So receive, reject, redeem. So here's a question that does get a little controversial. The question is, hey, is Halloween, and I will actually say this, there's only two possibilities on that. Is it a reject or a redeem? I don't think Christians can just look at everything that's associated with Halloween and go, I just receive it all. - Yep, yes. - So here's why I say it's, let me just begin like this. There are some things that we just have to reject. Like we open our bibles, we gotta reject it. This is, I'm gonna read from Deuteronomy, so I think it's Deuteronomy, I think it's 19. When you enter the land, the Lord your God is giving you, do not imitate the detestable ways of the nation there. Let, listen, let no one be found among you who sacrificed their son or daughter in the fire, don't do that on Halloween or any other day. Who, this is where it gets important. Who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or cast spells, or as a medium, or spirits, or consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. And because these same things, the Lord will drive out the nations before you, et cetera, et cetera. By the way, just a little side note, a unrepentant sorcerer in the Old Testament was a death penalty. - Yeah. - So this is a big deal, this is a big deal of the Lord, okay. So I will just say this dude, and we're gonna do, spring's gonna help us with this. We're gonna do an episode with this sometimes soon. Dude, I will just say, there's some things that Christians are dabbling with right now that we should not be dabbling with. So if you're going like, hey dude, weegee boards, tarot cards. Hey man, I'll just like shoot you straight like, you know, if you're going to a gender reveal party or a baby shower and they're doing the fortune telling in the tarot card reading thing. Which you may be going, hey, so Josh, is that stuff real? Yes, it's really demonic. Like we shouldn't have anything to do with any of that stuff ever, okay. That's what we're jacked now. This is real quick and we're gonna talk, we're showing rulers gonna be great. Now, what a lot of people do is like, well, hey dude, like that's not what I'm doing. Like, my kids dressing up like a, you know, like a, like a, like a Paw Patrol character. And he wants a Snickers, you know, like, you know. So I think that's the question. So here's all we'll say. I think First Corinthians eight is a really good taxonomy. You've got First Corinthians eight. You've got a bunch of people who are converted out of pagan auto worship where they were sacrificing animals to demonic false gods. So dude, here's what you get is you get, you get a bunch of people who they feel all the demonic things from having done that. They're seeing other people in the church go to the market and buy meat. This is what was going on. They're buying meat in the market that was originally from an animal sacrificed in demonic false god worship. Their consciences are real worked up about it and they're like, hey, Paul, they literally ask him this. Hey, Paul, should we be eating this or is like, his mouth was wrong because he's eating the goat demon meat? - Yeah. - Should he not be doing that? And so here's what Paul does. He goes, hey, here's a deal. Those false gods are, they're not gods at all as, you know, we're monotheists. And then he, here's what he says. I'm gonna summarize. He says, the meat's fine. He says, hey, the meat's fine, it's fine. Be convinced in your own conscience. In other words, you should never violate your own conscience. He literally says, hey man, one person's conscience convicts them that they shouldn't do it. Another person's conscience says, hey, it's fine. You know, that God wasn't even real. And he says, just make sure you're convinced in your own conscience. Don't bind other people's conscience by your own. I'm gonna let that sit for a second. And then he says, and don't look down on anybody. - Yeah. - Now, I will just say a couple of quick things and Paul, you can chime in if you got anything. - Yeah, there you go. This is one where I wish Carlos, we love you Miles. I wish Carlos is here for a second. Because from what I understand, especially in hispanic culture around this time, you have a day of the dead. How do you pronounce it again? - Day of the day I'm more tough. Okay, you said that, I can't say that, real good. And then you have all how is he? Which from what I understand is significantly more overtly demonic, like even more overtly demonic than like maybe an American Halloween. So I will say there may be a cultural thing that's, I'm just speaking to, you know, dressing up like a Paw Patrol character and getting a Snickers here. So those are some principles that we can apply. I'll give you one last one. Rome is 14, five and six. It says one person considers one day more sacred than another. Another considers every day like each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day a special death so to the Lord. So here's, let me just condense all this. Okay. I like, I don't think there is anything wrong with a kid dressing up like a Paw Patrol character and asking neighbor Jim for a Snickers bar. Okay, I don't. I think you need to be convinced in your own conscience. Number, number says number two. Number three, if Romans 14 says that one day is not more holy than another, honestly dude, I don't think one day is less holy than another. So honestly, I'm like, hey man, if you'd be comfortable with your kid dressing up, you know, like I can't name any of the Paw Patrol characters. I'm like, can you name a Paw Patrol character? - Rubble. - Rub. - I can't. - Yeah, I love Rubble. You know, and you just watch, I'll draw it. - That's good, that's good, that's good. I can't remember the names. 'Cause that's what's recap is like Paw Patrol. - It's all Paw Patrol characters. So if you-- - Welcome back Carlos. It's like Paw Patrol laughs, sorry. - So if you'd be okay with your kid dressing up like Rubble and going to a friend's birthday party and getting candy on, you know, June 11th. - Great point. - Why am I not okay with that? The exact same thing on October 3rd. This is how I feel about it. Each one should be convinced they're on conscience. But let me just say this, and some Christians, I do think that they don't do very good at this. I do not think Christians should have anything to do with stuff that looks like a celebration of death, a celebration of darkness, a celebration of the demonic. I think we should have literally nothing to do with those things. So let me just tell you what we do in a Howard Analysis and you chime in and then we're gonna move on, and we'll talk about Matthew 19, it's gonna be great. If you ask any of the Howard and kids they're gonna tell you the same thing. What they'll say is we don't do Halloween, we do go get candy. That's what my kids will tell you. We don't do Halloween, we do go get candy. So like, my kids didn't even dress up last year. We were the bad neighbors and we drove around when everybody was done in a neighborhood next to us. Honestly, dude, I usually don't have them walk up to the houses who have like all the ghosts in witches. I literally, I usually don't, you know. And then they just run up there and ask for a Snickers bar. Hudson last year was missing a shoe. And I think people thought he was dressed up as like a, I don't know, it's just, they were like, they were like, where's your shoe, bud? I really don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, well, Janet was thoroughly embarrassed. And then the last thing I'll say is here's what we can redeem. Dude, there's tons of lake point families who, October 31st is one of the only days of the year when your mission field comes to your house. There's a bunch of lake point families who what they do is they'll have like a grill out front and while the kids are getting the candy, they'll talk to the parents and they'll just develop their relationships or they'll put like a little, a one more or a little invite card in a little candy bag and they're like, they're sharing Christ that day or they're hanging out with their life group that day and do something like that. So that's how we do it. But you need to figure out how to do it and convince your own conscience. You got anything to add? Number one, first, I think he was dressed as a socialist. He didn't have a shoe, so he would take other people's and forcibly redistribute it to himself. Actually, what you did. Sorry, see what I did there. Sorry if that was a little mean. Yeah, actually a couple things. Number one, in the first 20 so minutes of the special bonus episode that Carlos and I did on Harry Potter and movies that have magic in it, we hit some of these principles. So if people want to go maybe do a deeper dive in this, go watch that. Maybe just one or two things from those. We talked about how when you get to issues that where you have to redeem something from culture, usually this is where the issue of the conscience comes in of that, hey, one person might be able to redeem one thing and another person might not be able to redeem another thing. So I actually got a message this past week of saying, hey, because I joked about like, oh, like, it's okay to watch John Wick murder 77 people but not okay to watch Harry Potter kind of a thing. But that's because it's an issue of conscience. And we actually, I got a message from someone saying, I cannot watch movies like John Wick because it triggers something in me. And it's like, you know what? Then if it triggers you, don't watch it, don't violate your conscience. But on that, I put up a spectrum where when it comes to issues of conscience that is usually Christians fall into one side of a spectrum, but it's a spectrum. More restrictive or more permissive. And neither of those is good or bad, by the way. But on each of those do have watchouts. If you're more restrictive, you already hit some of this. The more restrictive side, their temptation is going to be to impose their conscience on other people saying, oh, if you don't do what I do, you are less holy than I am. You're even sinful. And so not only do they impose their conscience, they judge people on the other side. The more permissive people can judge to, they can say, oh, you uptight, Pharisee, whatever. But here's the watch that I'll give and this coming into something you said, is I would say for those who are more permissive, those who feel like they can subwritten lean into aspects of Halloween. If your conscience never bothers you, that should be a major warning. - That's fantastic. Honestly, that's really good. - That should be a may, the way we put it, I think on that episode again, go watch for more details is the idea like, hey, if nothing ever bothers your conscience, you're either as holy and mature as Jesus or your conscience is numb. And so that's just more of a, and again, I'm not trying to throw shade or judgment. I'm more giving that as a way. watch out for both sides of California. That's the only thing I did, but great job. Love it. - That's good, I love it. Well hey, we're an amazing series here at Lake Point this weekend, so Pastor Josh, have a very important question. - I will allow it. - What did I make into the sermon? - Hey Miles, you did a really good job with that. - I appreciate it. - That was fantastic, what you did right there. Okay, let me do this. So we are, we're two weeks in the end of the reach and I'll be honest, dude, I'm having a blast. Like, this is, two weeks in, this is awesome. So this week we did Rich Young Ruler, one of the more interesting passages in the Gospels. Let me give you some fast facts. I've got a few fast facts right here, okay. So a few things on Rich Young Ruler path. So by the way, if you're unfamiliar with the story of the Rich Young Ruler, I'm gonna give more actual Bible reading at details in a second, but what you got right here is a guy that is described in your Bible as a Rich Young and Rich Young Ruler, comes to Jesus and essentially says, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus kind of judos him and he said, interestingly, he says, "Why do you call me good? "Nobody's good, but got alone." Which by the way, bro, I was gonna say, there's a little hidden, do anything you don't understand. There's always meaning under that rock. - 'Cause at the end of this, he says, if you actually want to turn a life, it doesn't just say, go inside your possessions. What does he say? - Come follow me. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't tell me. - Don't tell me. - I'm stepping on your stuff. - I'm stepping on it. - What's really interesting about that is you will, I've seen it before. You'll see like Reddit Atheists be like, "See? Jesus said he wasn't God." It's like, bro, it literally means the exact opposite. - Because if Jesus is not God, I'm gonna step on it a little bit, I'm sorry. If he's not God and he says, come follow me, then he's an idol of sir. 'Cause he should say, if you want to turn a life, go and follow God, he says, come and follow me. - Oh, right, that's interesting. So I'll just go ahead and give him a thing. What Jesus essentially is doing to the guy, is he's going, hey man, he's going, hey, good thing you're recognizing I'm good. Good, you got to, oh, by the way, nobody's good, good, but God alone. Hey brother, can you put two and two together real quick? That's what he's, that's seriously what he's doing. He's seriously doing that. So hey man, don't recognize me as a good man, unless you're gonna call me the God man. That's really what he's doing. This is what he's doing right here. So he goes, you know, he does that. And then Jesus does the thing and I'm gonna have, we're gonna explain this in a second. It's very interesting, people miss this. Jesus starts rattling off some of the 10 Commandments. What's really interesting is he does not rattle off all of them. And listen bro, Jesus don't do anything on accident. So we'll get to this in a second. He skips what's called the first table. Paul, can you just tell him like how theologians have historically divided the 10 Commandments into first table, second table. Yeah, yeah. So there's vertical Commandments and horizontal, horizontal Commandments. The vertical Commandments are Commandments that have to do with God. You should have one got alone, don't worship idols, things like that. And then there's horizontal Commandments that are more about how we relate to other people. And so Jesus focuses specifically on the horizontal Commandments, Commandments 5 through 10. He doesn't mention even those because he doesn't mention covet, coveting. Well, yeah, I'm not gonna say why, because I don't, I feel like you may go there. But he focuses on Commandments 5 through 9. So those would be the horizontal, those are the second table, first table or vertical Commandments, second table or horizontal Commandments. So if you don't know this, when you ever hear like a theologian heard, talk about first table, second table of the law, that's what they're talking about. Commandments 1 through 4, right relationship with God, Commandments 5 through 10, right relationship with other people. Jesus, interestingly, skips the 4 about the right relationship with God and cuts off the number 10, you shall not covet, wonder why he did that, we'll come back to that in a second. So that's really interesting. So Jesus does all this stuff that happens. Then Jesus later explains the whole, the basically I'm gonna give it away. He tells the guy, hey man, why don't you do this? Why don't you sell everything you have and come and follow me. Now some people have thought, man, that means anybody that becomes a Christian, they need to sell everything they have, this has happened in church history, so everything I have come with all Jesus. That's not what's happening. That is not commanded elsewhere. What Jesus is doing is pointing out that this guy has an idol in his life and he's forcing this man into a moment of decision, which God is going to be the God of your life. Is it going to be Maman, or is it going to be me, the Messiah? This is what he's doing. He's forcing a point of decision in his guy's life. The Bible just says that the guy walks away sad because he was very wealthy, so he's like, I can't do it. It's like, I can't do it. By the way, I will just say this, there's a desperation in this guy that I really love. So Rich Young ruler, a lot of people miss this because it's only in, only the gospel of Mark and I come back to this, records this detail. So this guy's got everything, he's literally got everything, but there was clearly something missing in his life because whenever he found out Jesus was close by the gospel of Mark only, I'm coming back to this, tells us he ran to Jesus. And the gospel of Mark only says that he fell at his feet, he knelt down before him and then the gospel of Mark only says that Jesus looked at him and loved him. Yeah. I love that detail. And so this guy, pro this guy, he's looking at all this stuff and he's gone man, nothing. I got everything, I got everything and none of it gave me life. And Jesus is essentially going, brother, only I can do that for you. So would you leave all this stuff that you thought was going to give you life and come follow me because I'm the resurrection and the life. And if you'll just come with me, brother, he's like, I will fully and finally satisfy you. The guy can't do it. So by the way, everyone needs to ask the question, what is the thing you're not sure you'd be able to give up to follow Jesus? And then you have a war of the gods in your life. That's what Jesus is doing. The guy walks away sad and then Jesus does this saying, I want to dispel a little myth real quick, Jesus does this saying, hey, it'd be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Nothing he says, but with God, all things are possible. I will just kind of say this every now and then you'll hear a well meaning, but incorrect Bible teacher. Do this little thing that there's if you heard this before, Paul, I think I know you're going to keep going. That man there was a, you know, there was a gate called the, the camel's gates, right? And it was like the, they called it the eye of the needle. Yeah. It was a small gate. And so they, you know, it was really hard to get a camel through there, but you could do it. There's literally nothing, there's no evidence that I think Jesus is putting to scare people a little bit. Yeah. That's what he's doing now. Let me do one, one little thing because this did, there's a few things I want to do here. There's one thing that really blew me away about this, bro. Have you ever heard the theory that the rich young ruler is John Mark, the author of the Gospel of Mark? Have you ever heard this? It blew my mind, shout out Jonathan Picluda, he actually first turned me out of this. So I'm not sure, actually, I, I'm not sure if this is the thing. I'm going to make the case and when I'm done, I want you, you guys tell me if you, so this is, this is apparently a more common theory than people think, okay? I'm going to, I'm going to rattle these off, okay? So the theory is the rich young ruler is an anonymous autobiographical account of John Mark's first encounter with Jesus. This is the theory, it's the, well, you're mind a little bit, okay? So here's the, here's the data. When I first heard, I was like, ah, and then went by the end, I was like, ah, it's kind of interesting. Okay. So Mark, again, it gives details, no other Gospel gifts. So it's the only one that says he ran to him. It's the only one that says he knelt before him. It's the only one that says he looked at him and he loved him. Okay. Number two, Bible scholars have pointed out it actually doesn't illustrate Jesus' point that with God, all things are possible unless the guy eventually comes to Christ. That's a, that's a theory. Number three, the guy's called a rich young ruler. We know from Acts 12-12 that John Mark's mother, Mary, owned a large house in Jerusalem, big enough to host a big prayer meeting. So apparently there was some wealth there. And because they're the ones hosting the prayer meeting, the theory is they may have been quote unquote rulers in the Jewish synagogue there. Interesting. Okay. Let's go a little farther. Mark, again, only one to give some of those details. So here's where it really kicks in. So there's a guy named Richard Wormrand, if you're looking for baby names, Richard Wormrand is available, is available. He's the guy that started the voice of the martyrs, ministry, I'm just going to read to you what he said. This is, this is interesting. The Greek word "yuthios" that's translated as straight away or immediately is the most characteristic word in Mark's gospel. In English a lot of times it gets translated suddenly. Yeah. If you read Mark, it's suddenly, suddenly, suddenly, suddenly or immediately, immediately. It's found more often in Mark than in all the other gospels combined. This is Richard Wormrand. The reason is it follows. Tradition identifies Mark as the rich man to whom Jesus said that in order to be perfect, he should sell everything he had and give to the poor. Let's see, seem to him at that time to be too big a price and he left the place with sadness. Later he repented and fulfilled the commandment of the Lord but their remained remorse in his heart for the time lost in disobedience. Therefore, that's why. Why throughout the Gospel of Mark, the author who eventually came to Christ repeatedly, continually emphasizes, "You must obey immediately straight away." Okay? Now here's the last one. And this is a little inception. Here's the last one. Only in the Gospel of Mark, there's this weird little detail, and when you read it, you really are. You're like, "Bro, what the heck is that?" There. That was a weird. Okay. So when Jesus gets arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane, there's this real random verse that mentions a young naked man running away, doesn't tell you who he is, doesn't tell you why he was there, tells you nothing about the guy. What a lot of people think is that's Mark referring to himself again because what biographers what a lot of times do in the first century is they put little inception, you know, things about themselves and the story and not name themselves. So you put all this together, and the theory is that the rich young ruler is John Mark pre-conversion that he eventually came to Christ. Wow. What do you think? I just want to know. I just want to tell you what you think. Oh, I think it's for sure possible, and I hope it was. Yeah. I mean, partly because that's just an amazing story, but the other part is I've thought for a while, one of the saddest things about this passage is it says he goes away sorrowful and sad. But to me, one of the saddest parts is because he didn't get to hear what happened next. And that is, is basically the disciples are like, well, we've left everything and he's like, you have. And if you have, you will not fail to gain that much more in the kingdom of heaven and now. So otherwise, to me, what made so sad is the rich young man that didn't realize actually he lost out on way more than he got to keep. And by the way, it's going to stop and say, as Pastor Josh was saying earlier, about, hey, there's usually one or at least one thing in our life that's keeping us from Christ and what he wants for us, know that whatever that it is, you will gain far more in the other side of giving that up. Dude, far more. So my point is, I really hope it was him because it would bless me to know that he'd been later got to find out I got back more than I ever gave up. So I hope it's true. Dude, I think about getting just thinking about it. I hope it's true. and John Marks like, "Hey bro, I was the naked guy." (laughing) - I'm him. - I'm him. - It's like the reverse, I'm him. - That's it. - It's kinda like the, I'm him. - Interesting, I'm him. - Interesting flexing, okay. - And then he's like, I was the rich, it'd be the best ever. - Oh, so cool. - So do you actually, I was gonna talk about this in like two minutes. So you actually, you beat me to the punch 'cause it's amazing. - Oh, sorry. - No, it's awesome actually. - What really struck me about this account is Jesus calls this guy really in the same way he called all of the other 12 disciples. So dude, there's a little bit of me that's like, hey man, this guy, could this guy have ended up like one of Jesus disciples like one bit. And like I was taking a prayer walk. I did, this didn't whole thing to make it in the sermon. And I'm just gonna read this real quick because like, I wrote this on a little prayer walk about this guy. It's like, he didn't realize what he lost, okay. So there's what he lost, this is what I wrote. He could have been there, this is gonna take me a second, 'cause I got in a flow. He could have been there when Jesus talked to a hurricane like a little toddler and watched with his own eyes as a raging tempest became a sea of glass. Maybe he would have become one of the three, Peter James John, okay. Because in this decisive moment, he might have been the one who had to give up the most, which means he would have been the one that loved the most. And he could have seen Jesus face, transfigured his lightning and heard with his own two years as Jesus talk shop with Moses and Elijah at the top of a mountain. He would have felt with his own two hands as five loaves and two fishes were multiplied out to feed 5,000 because he put the bread and the fish in there, and he could have, he could have done it. His eyes would have started sweating and his knees would have started shaking as he watched Jesus stand in front of a sealed tomb and cry out Lazarus come out. And then it would have dawned on him later that Jesus had to specify Lazarus because if he'd simply said come out then every dead body under earth would have obeyed his voice. And then he would have felt Jesus wash his feet at the last supper and weaped tears of joy later as he realized there was no slain lamb, Passover lamb to eat on the table because the lamb who was gonna be slain was seated at the table. And maybe instead of his inner three, Jesus might have had inner four. I'm taking some liberties, just go with me. And this guy could have watched his Lord sweat drops of blood, I guess, Emily. He could have been there with pieces of Jesus flesh and ribcage might have spackled him because he stood too close during the scorching of Christ. He could have seen pier stands and pierced feet. He would have been thinking about the book of Isaiah. He was pierced for our transgressions and he was crushed for our sins. The chastisement that brought us peace was upon him. Maybe he would have, I love this. Maybe he would have beat Peter and John in a foot race and been the first guy to see the empty tomb. Maybe he would have been there. He would have been there in Acts two when a tongue of fire came to rest on his head at Pentecost and he would have been preaching the sermons that shifted the course of all of human history toward glory. Maybe in the book of Acts, his shadow may have healed the lame. People might have touched his handkerchief and walked again. I wonder, I just wonder. I wonder if there would have been another book of the New Testament unfolding the mysteries of Christ from the pen of this man if he had made a different decision back in Matthew chapter 19. And then instead of dying an ignominious death on a Roman couch somewhere a few years after this with his name completely fading from the annals of history, he would have had the great honor of dying a martyr's death because he could not help but speak of what he had seen and heard. And then today, 2.6 billion people on earth would know and honor this great man's name as one of the founding apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ. And then right now in heaven, in his glorified state, he would be seated on one of the 12 thrones around the lamb who was slain. But he is now alive forevermore. And for all of eternity, this man would have judged the nations in glory, honor, and immortality. But instead, he traded all of that so he could wear Gucci instead of Wranglers for 20 more years, waste his life being unfulfilled, having never lived for anything that actually mattered, die and be forgotten and go to hell. And here's the point. Ask Jesus what he wants you to do. And then whatever he speaks, just do whatever he tells you. It's always going to be worth it. It's just I was just taking that walk, man. It just kind of like, dude, imagine you just stopped and think everything this guy missed out on just so his bank account could be a little more full for 20 years. And then he dies of death in a life that didn't matter. Need a moment. It reminds me as you were talking, I don't make sure I got the quote right, so I looked it up. My favorite see is Lewis quotes of all time. And then astounding, it's in a book called The Way of Glory, but it's in an actual essay and address that he gave called The Way of Glory. And he talks about in light of the awards that are before us, he says these words, it would seem that our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition, when infinite joy is offered us. Like an ignorant child who wants to go on making budpies in a slum, because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased. Yeah, we're all, a mind went to that. Yeah, it's just like that, oh, yeah. And that's why I really do hope that that was Mark. I know, man. I really do hope it was. I do. It's so awesome. Come on. Oh, man. Man, there was, and then I'll just-- Man, there's something that I want to show. So like, this is, I talk about all the time. I try to get it into a sermon once a year, but it perfectly encapsulates the passage. So here's a deal, man. You look at this guy, you look at other people in the Bible. And essentially, I just got to say it. There's not one way to waste your life. There's three ways to waste your life. So you can waste your life by doing nothing. Hey, man, I'm just going to smoke weed and watch porn and take the route of at least resistance my entire life and you waste your life. You can do nothing. No way waste your life is do everything. It's literally everything, any opportunity, any open door. You just do everything. And then you're going to be good at nothing. There's a reason that the Apostle Paul said, one thing I do. I've just figured out, man, here's a little-- Miles, here's a little tidbit for you. In your 20s and your 30s, you usually advance through your yeses. And at least so far, in your 40s, you advance by getting really good at no. So I've noticed that. You got to get really good at what's the thing that God put me on this planet to accomplish. And I got to get good at crowd. So you can waste your life by doing everything. But the biggest-- you can waste your life by doing the wrong thing. Now, dude, I'm going to show you this. Because I talk about all the time, I just need to show-- there is no way that I'll be able to show this clip without my sweatin. There's no way. I would have been 20 years old when I first saw this clip. And the reason that I am doing what I'm doing now is because of this sermon. It might be the most impactful two minutes of preaching. I have ever seen in my life and changed my entire life. But this perfectly encapsulates what this guy missed out on. Now, here-- let me set the stage for this. So this is the year 2000. So this is called Passion One Day. You got a bajillion college students go out in the middle of a field right outside of Memphis. And it's really funny. Because if you've ever been a Passion, I'm never going to get invited to speak a Passion for 100 reasons. One of them is I'm just not cool enough. It's like everybody looks out for you. awesome. Everybody looks cool. You're looking really cool in that hoodie in that hat. I just wanted to say it real fast in case no one had noticed. So you look cool to me. Keep going though. But you also conspicuously omitted the fact that I had to ask people in the room which had to wear because I can't match colors. I think you look cool. I just wanted to find you right now. You look cool. Keep going. But if you're at passion, it's a race like I don't know like Chris Tomlin and Coriaz Berry and all these cool looking people. You know, they're probably cool. What is it? Dude, you watch this video. Everybody's awesome. They look real cool. And then out walks John Piper in his late 50s in his pleated dockers. And then I mean, when you watch this clip, he is his shirt literally doesn't fit because if you listen to later interviews, he got his shirt from from cash savers. And he walked out and he this that you're getting ready to see it. He preached the sermon that changed the course of my entire generation. What he does right here is he encapsulates this. Okay. So here you go. Check this out. One of the really sad things about this moment right now is that there are hundreds of you in this crowd who do not want your life to make a difference. All you want is to be liked. Maybe finish school, get a good job, find a husband or a wife, nice house, nice car, long weekends, good vacations, grow old, healthy, have a fun retirement, die easy, no hell. That's all you want. You don't give a rip whether your life counts on this earth before you turn their faces. That's a tragedy of the faith. About three weeks ago, we got news at our church that Ruby Aliason and Laura Edwards killed in Cameroon. And I ask my people, is this a tragedy to women in their 80s, a whole life devoted to one idea. Jesus Christ magnified among the poor and the sick in the hardest places. It is not a tragedy. I'll read you what a tragedy is. This is a tragedy. The reader's title is The Article. Start down, retire early. Bob and Penny took early retirement from their jobs in the Northeast five years ago and he was 59 and she was 51. Now they live in Punta, Florida where they cruise on their 30-foot trawler, place softball, and collect shells. That's a tragedy and there are people in this country that are spending billions of dollars to get you to buy it. Can I get 40 minutes to plead with you? Don't buy it. With all my heart, I plead with you. Don't buy that dream. The American dream. Nice house, a nice car, a nice job, a nice family, a nice retirement, collecting shells as the last chapter before you stand before the creator of the universe to give an account with what you did. Here it is, Lord, my shell collection. Listen, listen, listen. And look at my boat. Look at my boat. Don't waste your life. Don't waste it. Don't waste it. Hey dude, that hit me like a hundred bricks as a college student. My success in life is not being rich and being young and being powerful. You know what success in life is? It's too 80-year-old women dying on the mission field taking Christ to people who don't know him. Only one life to will soon be passed. Only what's done for Christ will last. Boom. This got wasted it. Paul, anything else on this on this passage before we get into like 10 Commandments stuff? I mean, yes, but right now I'm spent honestly. I know dude. That's certainly a clip. Did you see that college like I did. I did. I did. I think we're only about five or six months apart and so we're in college at the same time. And now I remember vividly when that came out and it captured and I pray it happens again. I pray it happens again. I mean, we're seeing a movement amongst college students and and young adults got to see it last night in person at one place and it was amazing, but I'm praying that that message reverberates again. I love that poem that you just quoted, but also I just love this guy named Count Zendorf. Also a great name if it's available if you want to take it Count Zendorf. And so you basically lean into into the same idea even in his day. And I mean in his day about the way it was like 400 or 500 years ago. And so even back then there's this wrestling. If you want to be known and remembered and he said be content to preach the gospel, die and be forgotten. Yeah. Because guess what? Once you die, you actually enter your eternal reward. Exactly right, man. And it was worth it. And so it's just a reminder to people that you are time on this earth is so short. So short, do I have like maybe two minutes? Can I get two minutes? So I do this sometimes. I wasn't planning on it now, but it's just hitting me. I one time to kind of in the on the Old Testament, Moses says basically teaches to number our days that we regain a heart of wisdom. So in other words, to realize how short life is. So one time I did this little little research experiment where I basically looked up and I said, okay, if you shrunk the history of the universe into the life of a 78 year old person, 78 years average life expectancy. So if you shrunk all of history down into 78 years, how long would our lives be in the grand scheme of that 78 year of person you tracking so far? So okay, you've got a lot of old earth history, young earth history, we don't have time to get into that, maybe we can do a Q&A bonus episode. Wait, wait, wait, did you see how long would 78 years be in the life of the history of all the history of all the universe, like the history of the universe, and you shrunk it down into 78 years of how long would our life be in the midst of that kind of kind of way to help get perspective on how short life is in the grand scheme of things. If you believe more than a young earth, like maybe five, six thousand years old, your life would be a little over your long. Really? Wow. So even if you're a young earth person, you're born today, you're going to die sometime at the end of next October, early November. Yeah, wow. If you're an older person, it's like a few seconds. And so I, well, forget, when I go into that hotel debate, the point is that either way in the grand scheme of things, our life is a blip on the map in the radar of human history. Now, here's what I would tell people is somebody was like, that means we're insignificant. I'm like, no, what that means is you have a really short time to make sure that you live a life of significance. And the way you do it is to live your life for what matters most in the last three turn, and that is the glory and story of Jesus Christ. That's how you make your life matter. And that's how you don't waste your life. So I just want to give that, it just came to me, and I just thought it's like, man, let's all live with urgency for what matters most. Yeah, that's all I got. Let me say a couple of quick things, and then let's, uh, let's get into 10 Commandments, we want to go to, oh no, we're going to do 10 Commandments. We can't gear shift from this to call her daddy podcast. It doesn't work. You have to do the theology nerd thing. We can't, it's too much. It's too much. I do just want to point out, you know, like, so there's two really important things we would like be, we would be bad Bible teachers if we didn't point out. Really, what Jesus is doing with this guy is this guy thinks he can get life by doing stuff. Yeah, so really the entire point of this, I just want to think about this. The guy walks up Jesus is like, what must I do to inherit eternal life? If he had asked any religious founder in human history besides Jesus, he would have gotten a radically different answer. Who does last word to strive on ceasingly? Jesus' last words. It is finished. Yeah. All right. So any other religious leader, he asks, you know, hey, you got to obey the five pillars. Hey, you got to do all these things to be reincarnated a million times and then achieve oneness with, you know, you know, any other religious leader would have given him a list of do this. Don't do this. And I love this so much. Jesus is like, hey man, here's, you know, you want life? You need a relationship with me. That is the crux of it. So really, if you just want to like the difference between Christianity and every other religion that's ever existed is every other religion in human history is spelled do D. Oh, Christianity is spelled D-O-N-E. Done. It's not about what you can do to work your way up to him. It's about what's he, what he's already done in the personal work of Jesus Christ to come down, live the life you could not live, die the death that you deserved at the cross and accomplish everything necessary for your salvation. The only thing that you contribute your salvation is the sin that made it necessary, isn't it? So that like we would be bad Bible teachers, not to point out. And that's Jesus' point here. And people miss it in this past. They actually think, no, I keep told him to go and sell everything, but remember what Jesus was doing was identifying the idol that was keeping him from him, because he doesn't just say go and sell everything, give it to the boy, he says, and come follow me. That's the point. Yes. Because earlier, you mentioned this in passing. I mean, we used the word Maman, which is what Jesus says in Matthew three, he says, you cannot serve God and Maman often translated as money. So the idea is to say, you got a competing auto in your life that's keeping you from me. So sometimes people actually use this you know, Jesus thinks he can't earn his salvation. Like, no, that this is the whole point. - That's not what we're talking about here. - It's like get rid of the thing that's keeping you from following me and then come follow me. - Yes. - So right there with you, man. - So good. - What do we get saying? I got time for this Scotty Sheffler thing or we should move to the 10 Commandments. What do you think? So may call it. - Go for it. - Go for it. - Let's do it. - Let's do this, Scotty Sheffler. - He's like my generation's Tiger Woods. - Oh, man. - Look at that. I mean, I'm so scared. - Yes, he did. - No, I did not. How old are you, Miles? - 28. - He just called me. - That is adorable. (laughing) - I'm seasoned. - I'm seasoned. - I'm seasoned. - So I didn't want to do this. - I didn't want to do this. So last thing, I'll do it quick and then let's go because this is what's going on in this passage. So this guy comes to Jesus and he, you know, he's like, hey man, let me find this spot on my nose 'cause this is really important. He guy runs up Jesus and he's like, "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" I just want to point this out. The whole point is, I got everything, none of it gave me life. I do want to point this out. He's asking the right guy because Jesus, throughout the Gospels, I am the resurrection and the life. Jesus is the way of the truth and the life. John 10-10 says, "The enemy comes only to steal, kill, and destroy." Jesus came to them and have life, have it abundantly. He says that he is the bread of life. So he's asking the right guy. I honestly, I think whoever this guy is, John Marker or somebody else, he had heard. He had heard. man of that guy can give me life. Now we're going to condense this all going to lead in the Scotty. What Jesus is really doing is he's he's he's harkening back to Genesis chapter two and the whole deal is when God creates mankind in Genesis chapter two. He takes dust the earth and makes mankind you know out of dust the earth and then just think about this I love it so much. It says the bends over like literally God in some way and fashion man out of the dust earth bent over and then you just get this image that he and it says that he breathed the breath of life life into him and the whole point bro the whole point of Genesis chapter two you can look for life everywhere you want sex success stuff status might you can look for it everywhere the only thing that's gonna actually give you life is a face to face relationship with your maker the first thing that the first man saw when the breath of life was in him is he opened up his eyes took his first breath and he's face to face with his maker Jesus is doing that to this guy he's like Genesis chapter that's me come follow me get face to face with me again now what I love about this is I did Tom Brady last week but this week you know as sheffler's the one like by the way you know sky sheffler's a disciple yeah by the way I'll just shout this out I want Scotty Sheffler on live free sometimes oh my god we need we need to live free Scotty Sheffler devout follower we yeah dude it's see he's for real decide we got connections connect us yeah man help us help us get Scotty come on we want Scotty okay now dude here's what I love you're what's your about to see is your you're about to see the rich young ruler story on your screen in an interview after dude wins a golf match okay this is what you're about to see so I'm gonna give you some quotes I'll because I want you know this this like this is who Scotty is direct quotes I'm a faithful guy I believe in a creator I believe that's Jesus he says that his faith is what quote defines him the most I love this so much he says the plays golf to glorify God and that his identity is secure in Christ rather than his results that's amazing I'm gonna give you another Scotty Sheffler quote the reason why I play golf is I'm trying to glorify God and all that he's done in my life so for me my identity isn't on a golf score in a golf score bro is I can keep going see anything okay now what you're about to see is inverse rich young ruler okay so this is Scotty this is right after I remember Scotty his won four majors at this point okay this is right after one of Byron Nelson my brother has been the world number one golfer for 170 weeks he's Scotty's crushing he wins a golf competition and then he preaches a sermon better not ever gonna preach right here in the interview check this out it feels like you work your whole life to celebrate winning a tournament for like a few minutes it only lasts a few minutes that kind of you for it feeling and like to win the Byron Nelson championship at home I literally worked my entire life to become good at golf to have an opportunity to win that tournament and you win it you celebrate get to hug my family my sister's there it's such an amazing moment and then it's like okay now now what are we gonna eat for dinner yeah life goes on all right first of all first of all I just want to point what you're about to see is the book of Ecclesiastes in in an interview essentially what he's saying is man I chased after everything under the sun yeah and here's what I found out is meaningless meaningless everything is meaningless it's like a chasing after the win soon as I catch you just gone then I watch who he does is it great to be able to win tournaments and to accomplish the things I have in the game of golf yet I mean it it brings tears my eyes just to think about because it's literally worked my entire life to become good at the sport and to have that kind of sense of accomplishment I think is is a pretty cool feeling you know to get to the boss I do what I just want to say this because some people miss this it's not that this stuff is bad like there's nothing wrong by the way with being rich young or a ruler and I love that I actually love he says this he's like to get to live out your dreams is very special so I'm gonna point this out every good and perfect gift comes from God above all things we receive with Thanksgiving so I will just say this sometimes you'll get this kind of vibe in Christian teaching where it's like any guy who has like strong ambition I want to win I want to build I want to earn you'll kind of get this vibe from from some pastors they're like trying to tamp that down I just want to say for every dude listen to pocket I want the exact opposite I want you to I want a generation of Christian men who wake up every day and absolutely want to crush it and then leverage everything they got for the glory God okay so this is Scotty now check this out watch what it does right here but at the end of the day it's like I'm not out here to inspire the next generation of golfers I don't I'm not here to inspire somebody else to be the best player in the world because what's the point you know this is not a fulfilling life boss is this is not a feeling you know what he's saying he's saying my good teacher where can I get eternal life and Scotty Sheffler found the answer yeah in him was life and that life was the light of man there you go didn't you see it you see it everywhere it's real quick what I love that you use Scotty as an example is like if if you wanted to go back and you mean the person that's listened to this or watching this go back and we replay that in a minute then substitute your career instead of golf that's great because I'm saying it is like well I don't want people to think as we're talking about this oh how you make the most of your life is quit your job and join ministry don't get on if God's gonna do that do that but we need a lot more for every one of us we need like ten or a hundred of guys like Scotty but not just in golf in every area who realizes man God made may have made you incredible at being a lawyer or an accountant or whatever it is man realize go crush and in fact I looked like I love Ecclesiastes because Ecclesiastes also says everyone to whom God has given wealth and possessions and power to enjoy them and to accept his ought and rejoice in his toil so in other words go do that just know it's not everything you do that in order to point to the ultimate thing God in his glory so I love that you use Scotty as an example of that yeah he's great at it all right now miles what I need you to do is you're gonna transition to our theology nerd segment let's do it let's say something miles over there about how Paul we need him to talk about theology nerd stuff yeah Paul so as we're taking this layer deeper yeah you know obviously you know we won't be disciple well it's been talked to us take a layer deeper teach us coach us all the thing hey hey miles that was a great job that was a great job you did a great job you did a great job so let me set it up let me set it up okay so what Jesus does here is he uses the tin commandments on this guy yeah okay so obviously quotes him so there is debate among Christians and someone is right and someone is wrong about the role of the tin commandments in the life of a new covenant Christian I'll just see it up like this you know we I'm not going to use a name we don't need to but you know like one of the most famous Bible teachers in America said this the tin commandments have no authority over you none to be clear thou shalt not obey the tin commandments Paul Cunningham agreed disagree additional comments theology nerd us out on the what what theologians historically have called the proper uses of the law with all due respect I'm sure there's other things this man said that was great so glad that he came around and corrected 2000 years of Christian tradition around this and when the exact opposite direction of literally what Christians have said across different branches of Christianity for last 2000 years so let me just put it this way as the historic tradition and there's been some variations the historic tradition has been that Christians remain bound by the moral teaching of the tin commandments but they are not under the mosaic covenant so those are but we got to distinguish those things so no we are not under the mosaic covenant and if that's what he meant I would say hey what you said was really well said and kind of cute and funny but you could have said a lot clear you chose to be cute rather than clear and so that's what he meant great but that's I don't think that's exactly what he meant and enforcing people don't take it that way so we're not bounced the mosaic covenant in the covenant law but we are bounced the moral teachings of the tin commandments how do we know this I'm actually going to start the opposite way I was hard I want to start with history and then I want to go to the Bible in some places that the Bible gives us some clues so literally from the earliest days got an Irenaeus in the late 100s talking of the tin commandments and talking of Jesus He says this preparing man for this life, the Lord himself did speak in his own person to all alike the words of the deck log which is a word for the 10 commandments. Deca is a prefix that means 10, yeah, 10 words, yeah, 10 words. And therefore in like manner, do they remain permanently with us receiving by means of his advent in the flesh, here's the cheeky words, extension and increase, but not abrogation. That's fancy talk. Remember he's writing an early Greek and everything like that. When he says not abrogation, he's saying we're not doing away with the 10 commandments. He actually says they're extended. Well, why would they be extended? Think about it in the sermon on the mount. What did Jesus say? You've heard it said, don't murder. I say to you that if you hate someone in your heart, you've actually murdered them. You've heard it said don't commit adultery. By the way, where do you find those two commandments? Think about it. Yeah, they're in the 10 commandments. He says, but I say to you, if you less have to or someone, you've already commit your heart. So what? Irenaeus in the first couple hundred years of the church, very close to Jesus, is saying, Jesus didn't come away to come to do away with the 10 commandments. He actually came to extend them and make the matters of the heart as well. Same by the way, testimony in the medieval church, Thomas Aquinas said that the moral law, and I want to do want to cut in here and say, there is some debate over the Sabbath, but over. Correct. Because the Sabbath is, if I remember right, it's the only command that's not restated in the New Testament. Exactly. Exactly. So even. But. Yeah. I will say, first of all, the book of Hebrews. So actually the Sabbath principle is in the New Testament. You get that in the book of Hebrews, but it applies it like spiritually to, now we're not working to earn salvation. Exactly. And you get the clear understanding from the New Testament that the people of God, they switched their Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Exactly. So the principles there. And most Christians throughout history would do that. They would say, hey, we can honor the principle of a day set apart to the Lord and a day of rest. Because by the way, a day of rest is baked into the principles of creation before the law was ever given. Yeah, that's really important. Likewise, we don't have to follow the Sabbath and the way that they did under the mosaic covenant. So it's a good example. Hey, we're going to take this, but leave that. So yeah. So like in Thomas Aquinas time, they said, hey, the moral law was still bound by it. He was a opponent to natural law, meaning that even in nations that don't have the Tim commandments, there is the sense of you shouldn't steal, that you shouldn't murder. So they call it the natural law, the reformation. And so you think, oh, surely, like the, the reformation and the Puritans, they were against any formal legalism. Surely they rejected the Tim commandments. No. If you go to Martin Luther, guess what three things that he used to teach people in terms of Catechism, not really systematic teaching, Lord's Prayer and the Tim commandments was the other big one. Lord's Prayer and Tim commandments was another big one, all throughout the Catechisms of the different purer, I mean, different reformation branches. You get this. So historically, this is going against the thrust of Christian history, but then even in scripture and the New Testament, you see some hints that the moral commands of the Tim commandments are still bonding. Let me read you some excerpts, see if you can notice some things. First Timothy 1-8-11, so this is the Apostle Paul. He says, we know that the law is good. If one uses it lawfully, which by the way, here in a second, we're going to talk about what there is history. Yeah, we're going to get to that. But theologians have said there's three appropriate uses of the law, so we're going to theology nerd out. What does it mean to use the law lawfully? There you go. And so we're, and so just real quick, right here in 1 Timothy 1, Paul is basically saying, hey, this is what it means since it's just to be a good Christian person and notice what he does. If one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for those, does it just, but for the lawless and disobedient for the God in unteners, I'm going to go on. For those who strike their mothers and fathers, what does that sound like? Yeah. The fifth commandment. For murderers. Yeah. What does that sound like? Six commandment. For sexually immoral. Seven commandment. Yeah. And then in addition, he says many practice homosexuality. All stopped by the way. Also seven commandment. Yeah. In slavers. In other words, people who steal steal, yeah, people, yeah, where should you be the eighth commandment? Eighth commandment. Liars and perters, which would be the way, wait, let hang on, uh, nine, nine, nine commandment. He doesn't go on and do. Hey, go ahead. Can I do the 10 commandments hand motions? Oh, please do. I love it. Are you finished? Oh, real quick. Can I just make the point? Yeah. You make the point. No, you're good. And then let's go to the uses at all. The point is literally what Paul just did. He says, we know the law is good. If one uses it lawfully, and then what does he then do? He then goes through the back half of the 10 commandments, what passage is that? That's first Timothy one. I've never noticed that all those, the list mirrors this thing. And so people, because some people like the guy who you quoted would want to say, Hey, if you take other statements of, of Paul, it seems like he says, no, the law no longer applies to you. He uses that same Paul, the 10 commandments to teach them and says they're still morally binding on people. Really? Okay. Now, I've never noticed that. And there's another passage. That Romans 13, 8 through 9, of kind of just real fast. Sorry. I get excited. Oh, no one, anything except to love each other for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. He's always commanding them. He's telling you, you need to love each other. This is binding on you as Christians. For the commandments, you shall not commit adultery. Adultery. Where is that? Seven Commandments. All right. You shall not murder. They're not in the same order. He's going to flip here. You shall not still. That's a eighth Commandment. You shall not covet. And the any other commandment, any other commandment, are suned up in this word. You shall love your neighbors yourself. So he says, love each other. And then he defines love as the 10 Commandments. Thank you, ma'am. Bro, that's fascinating. Okay. That's fascinating. So you can't do this. What some, what some theologians will do. What not? This is what all Bible teaches do because the Bible does it. But it's like, essentially, you didn't, if you take the old Testament, isn't it? There's 613 Commandments. There's like people count on different, different, different. It's like 613. What a lot of people do is like, hey man, the gospel or the law in a tweet is Jesus. Love God. Love people. Exactly. The law in a tweet. Exactly. And then if you want to go like law in a paragraph, it's the 10 Commandments. So basically, how do you do, love the Lord you got with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor yourself? Oh, by the way, that's the first table and the second table, okay? And then basically the 10 Commandments applied are all 615 Commandments or whatever it is. So it's really just the same thing in different lengths. Exactly. You do the motions and now you do the questions that used to the law and I can do that really fast. Let's do the motions. We'll just turn this into the podcast. We're going to Coco Mel on the podcast for a couple of seconds. And here's what I'm doing this for real. Here's what I'm doing this. We did this with our kids growing up. It's great. By the way, parenting, it really helps instilling 10 Commandments as your kids from a very young age. And Hudson can do all 10. It's like, I'll be a little nerd for a second here. I got this from Joe B. Martin. He's an awesome at this where I first saw these 10 Commandments hand motions, okay? So first Commandment. Hold up on finger. Do it. Hold up on finger. God's number one. You should have no other guys before me. Hold up two fingers. Do it like this. Second Commandment. Cut out the Addles in your life. Good. Yeah. Make no grave in images. Okay. Hold up three. What letter is that? It's the W. Watch your words. You should not take the name of the Lord you got in vain. Watch your words. Watch your words. Number four. How many Sundays are there in the month? Four. Yeah. On to the Sabbath by keeping it. Hold up. Okay. Hold up. This is my favorite one to do with Hudson and the kids. Hold up five fingers. Do this. Yes, sir. On to your father and mother. I like that. Okay. Six. Hold up. Six. Wait. Where's the camera? Six. Do this. Boom. You should not kill. Boom. You should not kill. You should not kill. You should not kill. We'll talk about Alex Cooper in a second. Okay. Now here we go. Now hold up eight fingers. Hold up eight fingers. I don't know if this is true, but it's helpful for the tank of Mammoth's hand motions. You know, in some countries what they'll do is cut off your pinky. If you steal, you should not steal. Good? Good. Cut off your pinky. But then watch this. Pop this one up. Oh, I like it. I do have a pinky. You should not like it. That's it. And then number 10, you grab something. You should not cut it. Boom. Boom. Come on. It's good. Take a man with stand motion. That's super good, man. Your kids are going to remember it. That's super good. All right. You want me to get real quick the uses of the law? Yeah. I'll talk about something important. I can do it. We'll be adults again. And then we'll talk about Colorado Daddy. I know. I can't even say like I'm like someone. You said it earlier. I was like, yeah, yeah. And then watch my hands. There's no more work down. We're good. All right. All right. So not just with the 10 commandments. Although I think what we can do is we can use some of the 10 commandments as an example for this. So there's typically three uses of the laws we both say is there are uses of curb as a mirror as a teacher. So a curb is there used to restrain evil. There used to restrain evil. Right. They said like, hey, the majority of people or many people, like if you tell them, hey, this is wrong or don't do it, many people at least will not do that. And it lets us know if they do do it. Then there's consequences for that. Romans hits that. It's all the time in Romans 12 is the government is there as a restrainer of evil and those who bear the sword. Yeah. By the way, the law as curb, what Paul is saying is, hey, man, it's like on the side of the road. That's what keeps you from running your car into a ditch. That's why our nation based its legal system on God's law because the purpose of the government is what to restrain evil. It curbs evil. That's correct. That's correct. That's exactly. So law as curb. By the way, you don't even got to be saved for the law to work as a curb. That's exactly right. That's it. The law is also a mirror or any command is a mirror. It shows two things. Number one, it shows myself that I can't always perfectly keep that law or that commandment. So it shows me how sinful I am. Now, here's the thing is you got to be careful because you don't want to just stick with this of looking at your own sin in the mirror, the idea of seeing how sinful you are is meant to do this, to drive you to the only one who can save you from that San Jesus Christ. So the purpose of the law of serving as a mere is not just make you really, not to make you realize you're really bad. It's actually to point you to the one who is really good and who can save you from your badness. That's why, for example, in Galatians, it talks about how the law is a guardian or a tutor. It leads us to Christ, it shows us our sin and say, hey, if I've got sin, I need a savior. All right, so curb, mirror, but then it is also a teacher. - Right, go ahead. - The example on this, like I like to use it when I'm preaching, is like, man, let's say you're like, like this happens to us in all the time. - Yeah. He's outside and literally he's covered head to toe in like dirt and grass and mud, okay? But he doesn't know until he looks in the mirror. - Exactly. - It's the exact same thing like, dude, you know, sinners, all of it, you're wretched, black-hearted sinners, all of us. But I don't know that until I open God's word and I see all these commands that I've been breaking my whole life. And then I start, I'm like, oh, wait, that was wrong, that was wrong, that was wrong, I'm wrong. I'm simple. So it's in the same way, I don't know. Hudson doesn't know he's dirty in the need of a shower to look in the mirror. You don't know that you're sinful in need of a savior till you look in that mirror. - Using one of the 10 commandments, just wanna highlight that again, sorry, if I'm a little uppity after I heard that quote. He says, "Paul says, I would have not have known what it is to covet. If the law had not said, you shall not covet." - Roman 70. - Yeah, exactly, all right. And so, but a third use of the law, and then I want to put it on the street in a way that explains people that I think is pretty easy to understand, although it's more than three statements. But the third use of the law is actually to teach us. It's a teacher. It's to teach us that, hey, after we've come to Christ, it does teach us how we should live, and all of you say, it teaches us how to live the life that Jesus Christ died and rose to save us into and for. - Yes. - That the life he has on the other side of the life you're giving up is better, but that up means that you have to learn some new ways to live. Not to earn your salvation, but because Jesus has already purchased your salvation. So, here's the way I like to put on the street. Every command includes the 10 commandments. It shows me what I should do, or what I should not do. I shouldn't murder, I shouldn't steal, I should honor my father and mother. But it also shows me, this is the mere part, what I can't do, at least perfectly. - We're all this great. - So it shows me what I should do, but it also shows me what I can't do. But it shows me the third thing. It shows me what Christ did do and what he had to do. - That's great. - Whereas every place I have failed, and every place where I've honored my father and mother, Jesus never failed in doing that. - Yes, right. - Every place where I lied, or I had hatred in my heart that is the same as murdering God's eyes. Jesus never did that. He was perfect everywhere I'm not. And only was he perfect, never way I'm not. He went to the cross and died for the places where I'm not perfect. For the places where I failed the 10 commandments. So, it shows me what I should do, what I can't do. It shows me what Christ did do and why he had to do what he had to do. But then it finally shows me another thing. It shows me what by the power, the Holy Spirit, and the grace of God. I can't increasingly do as a Christian. Never perfectly. Never perfect. I'm never going to love God with all my heart, so mine and strength on this side of heaven. But that's okay because Jesus Christ did for me, and he died for me. And by his grace and power, I can increasingly do it until I die and see him face to face in heaven. So those are the uses of law. - Let me summarize all this. - Yeah, and we're going to call her daddy. So, lawful uses of the law. Curb, mirror, I say guide. You said what? - A teacher. - A teacher. - Curb, mirror, guide. Unlawful use of the law, ladder. This is really important because that's what the rich young ruler was trying to do. Well, if I do these laws, then I'll work my way up to God. So, curb, mirror, guide, unlawful use ladder. - That's good. - This is a good lesson. All right. - Brilliant. - Hey, we live free nations. Let's have fun with this and swing some elections. In all seriousness, midterm elections are obviously coming up in November. In the state of Texas, there's an estimated 16 million Christians and the midterm elections coming up in November will be decided by a predicted, actually, about 300,000 votes. So, what this means is if Christians do their job as salt and light in the world, good things really easily happen. So, what we've done in a live free nation is we actually built a website to help mobilize Christians to do our job as salt and light in society. So, you can simply text the word "vote" to the number 2041. Text the word "vote" to 2041. And we have built a website all at our own expense to help Christians remember to vote leading up into the midterms because the number one reason that Christians don't vote, especially in midterm elections is they just forgot. So, with one text, vote to 2041. You will get one text, which is a link to the website, where you can put in your address. We do not keep any of the information. And it will tell you where the polling location is for voting in your area when to come and what in your area you need to bring. Again, we keep absolutely none of the data. And we will send you that text and then only one other reminder text right before midterms. So, let's have some fun with this. Text "vote" to 2041. And we'll see what live free nation can do. Miles, do the year a little transition thing. - There we go. - Hey, so about to talk about a clip from a podcast called Call Her Daddy. - Oh, great job, Miles. - Yeah, this Alex Cooper leads this podcast. And honestly, so if there's, I don't know, probably one of the most popular podcasts among women, probably like, you know, 35 and downs. - Is it like a Gen Z thing? Tell us, Gen Z guys. - It's like, I mean, I'm not the target audience. I don't listen to it. - You're like the reverse Yoda, teach us a way. Teach us your ways, your generation. - I like the Bible. And so, I don't listen to this. - And so, man, recent podcast clip came out. Honestly, like this morning. I saw this morning, you saw all these things. - It kind of blew up like, I think it's like last night. - But yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's the mega viral. - And with Sophia Bush. So, actress was in like, one tree hill. I think was, yeah. - I've never seen that person. - Yeah. - Is she anything else? I don't know. - Sophia Bush. - Sophia Bush. And so, I believe has, I wanna spoil anything. - Yeah, yeah, don't spoil anything. - Yeah, don't say that yet. - Anyways. - Don't say that part. - So, crazy podcast. - Hey, Miles. - Hey, hey, hey. - Great job. - I've ever seen that. - Great job. - Great job. - I'm having y'all, man. - I'm having a good job. - Happy to be here. - So, here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna do this quick. And then I'm gonna take Janet on a date. And our marriage is gonna be structured in the exact opposite way we're supposed to see. (laughing) So, well, first of all, I'll just set it up like this. You're just seeing that little meme where it's like, there's a dude standing there facing the sunset and there's a road that splits like this. And it says, "Which way a Western man?" I'm about to give you a, which way a Western woman, okay? So, first, let's start an positive note. By the way, this is really cool. So, yesterday, there was a previous only fans model who tweeted out, and this kind of went viral, that I'm just actually going to toss that first one up there. So, she tweets this out and starts going viral. I deleted my only fans and gave my life to Jesus Christ. - Great job. - Come on, man. - That's amazing. I mean, it's already amazing. - Let's go. - So, the name is, I'm sure it's like a pseudonym or something like that. It's like, "Aunny, the zombie," or whatever it is. And it kind of, you know, really picked up traction with a pretty viral. So, I saw it and I'm always going to, we're cheering people coming to Team Jesus. So, I just responded and I just said on X, I was like, "Welcome home," okay? And just cheering her on. So, then, dude, she, it was like three hours later. Bro, she responds to what she says. Hey, Josh, your videos, interviews and sermons played a huge part of my journey. Thank you for everything you do. "Aunny, the zombie, converted only fans model, led to Christ in part by the live free podcast." - Come on, man. - Bro, that's amazing. - Like, unreal. Seriously. - Like if she's listening right now. - Bro, me and like, "Hey, cheering you on." - cheering it on. - Just come on, let's go. - Come on to the family. - Welcome home, welcome to Team Jesus. All right, so, which way Western woman? We can either do that, or you do what we're about to see. And I'm going to let you try to figure out which one is going to work out long term better now. The reason I want to do this, there's two reasons. Number one, I did not know this. In a turn of events that will surprise literally no one. I've never heard of Alex Cooper in my life, and I've literally never even heard of Caller Daddy. Except there's been a few times when we're like, wool text, like podcast rankings around the live free team. And I'll see like, Caller Daddy, I don't know what that is. So I've never seen even a clip of Caller Daddy before. But apparently it's pretty shady. All right, Sabrina, I appreciate it. - Pretty shady. So let me just say it for you thing. Let me set this up. The reason I want to talk about it went mega viral. And honestly, dude, what you're about to see. I did not know this. You may have known this, Gen Z guy. This is the number one podcast for women in America. - It's insane. - So I just, so like we'll talk a lot about Jezebel women versus Jesus women. A Jezebel woman is the most influential podcast voice for women in America. And people need to know what's happening to you. Okay, so I'll say this up a little bit. I'll honestly do it after digging in. Alex Cooper might be worse for women than Andrew Tate is for men. I'll just kind of get that out there. There's a whole, there's a few reasons I say that, but I'm just gonna leave it dangling. I will point this out a little bit. Let me just give a heads up. There's a few, anytime you talk about gender, biblical, the Bible and gender, there is nothing that has, like there's some passages, it's almost like they got a whip coming out of them and all you gotta do is just read it and there's gonna be a grenade that blows up in your face. We're gonna read a couple of those. Anytime you talk about the Bible and gender, if you're a pastor, you just, you better be ready to catch your teeth for four or five days. You're about to see why that is. So let me just set this up. There's a dynamic, a lot of people don't realize has happened in our culture, this making this conversation really difficult. And I'm gonna generalize maybe over generalizations. One of the reason for that is because for the last 20 years in our culture, men have generally been lied about and women have generally been lied to. And that is creating some very, very difficult situation. So men have generally been lied about. I'm not saying only, I'm saying generally. So for the last 20, 30 years in our culture, with the rise of the super dominance of feminism, if, by the way, if you don't realize this, someday we'd get a whole podcast on this. I may do it, we may do a series sometimes soon called "Act Like Women," but I got to work up the, you know, the readiness. If you don't realize, if you are not just a woman, anybody in America, feminism is the air that you have breathed. From the minute you got to planet earth, you have almost never not breathed a feminism in your life, and it's a result in men being lied about generally and women being lied to generally for the last 30 years. Here's what it looks like. For the last 30 years, it's been men are horrible, their toxic masculinity is bad, the future is female, Barack Obama said this like literally last week, I was like, bro, we're done with that. We're done with that. Nobody's doing that anymore. He did the, I think if everything in the world were one run by women for 20 or 30 years, they'd all be better. So it's like, so honestly, man, that's women being lied to. Hey, men, men and women are equally sinful. Yes. Women are not better than men, men are not better than women, men and women equally sinful. Now, on the other hand, is generally speaking, not exclusively speaking. In our culture, women have primarily been lied to and kind of the vibe in pop culture has been to women, hey, your only flaw is you don't have enough self-esteem. That's really the only thing wrong with you. If you do anything wrong, it's always a man's fault. Watch every movie, every TV show, the dad is the idiot that's usually sort of debauched. And the woman is the moral genius who saves the day. Here's a little, I actually have my daughters do this. Here's a fun exercise. Watch movies that have fight scenes. By the way, almost every movie now has intersex fight scenes, men versus women. In literally every single one you ever watched the women, the woman wins. My daughters will point it out every time we watch a movie now. You will never see a movie that has an intergender fight scene where the woman doesn't win. So again, what you're seeing is, for 30 years, men lied to women generally lied about. Now, that creates very serious problems. If you had a situation where you lied to both sides, you're both wonderful. Hey, that would be a little easier to fix. If you had a situation where both sides had been lied about, that would also be a little easier to fix. But when you spend 30 years lying to one and lying about the other, you're going to get a level of division that is leading to what's becoming an increasing train wreck in our culture between the genders. Now, you're about to see the fruit of 30 years of men being lied about and women being lied to and you're going to watch a woman lie to some women. Apparently, on the number one podcast for women in America, okay? So that said, here you go. This is what went viral. We can get really, really in our heads about, oh my God, I feel like I'm, maybe I shouldn't leave this marriage because, can I even get better? And the answer is, yes. The answer is always, so what you got here is you got two women talking about the concept of divorce. And man, if you ever wonder, if you ever wonder if you could do better, what you definitely need to do is divorce who you're with and look for someone else because you can always do better. And the subtle implication is, because you're a wonderful, amazing, you're a woman and they're men. You can, that's kind of the vibe, okay? Now, I'll just, let me just say this real quick. Here's why this is so damaging and I will say something, I may ask him to edit out when we're done. We'll see how it goes. There, here's why this is so damaging. Like, one of the interesting things about this podcast is we're actually pastors who actually have to pastor people. And we actually have to see the implications of the Bible teaching we do in real people's lives and real people's families. And other people can just sit on, this honestly, I'm getting a little worked up. Other people can just sit on podcasts and say stuff. And then they don't got to counsel the man, the children or the wife who has their life absolutely cratered because you just got to sit on a podcast and say what you thought would go viral. They don't have, we're actually pastors. We actually have to pray with people in lobbies. The reason that's so damaging, there's a few things. Number one is, bro, your pastor and people, your raising kids, you're going to figure this out real quick. Inputs create outcomes. And if you want to create the outcome, you got to create, if you want to change the outcome, you got to change your inputs. So I just want to point this out, when young, if you're a young woman and you're like, Ah, they seem so cool and cute and funny and yeah, girl, slay, it's like that kind of vibe. They make me feel good about whatever it is. Like, hey, listen, I want to love you enough to tell you the actual truth. And I'm telling you right now, inputs create outcomes in your life. And if that's your input, you're going to have some real crappy outcomes. So let me just point this out. Here's what you're looking at. One of those women, Sophia Bush right there, she's been married three times. So just let me just, here's who you're taking marriage and divorce advice from. She's been married three times. One of those marriages lasted five months. Great job. One of them lasted, her second marriage lasted 13 months. We made it the, the long, faithful season of 13 months. And her third quote unquote marriage is to a chick. All right. So like, just stop and think like, Hey man, if inputs create outcomes and those are my inputs, are they probably going to be an input that leads to an outcome of my life of a long, faithful marriage that results in me growing old with my husband and sitting old and rinkly holding hands in our rocking chair and watching our great grandkids who love Jesus, love each other and love us in our play in our backyard. But, hey man, actually, probably not. So number one, I just want to say, if you're watching people like this, change your inputs to change your outcomes. Well, I'll just listen, bro. If you're a young woman, the women you need to, this is dude, Jan and I talk about this all the time. If you think I'm toxic, you should hear Jana, okay, Jan and I talk about this all the time. The women that young women need to be listening to, they're not on podcasts, they're not on TikTok, they're not putting out four Instagram reels per day. You know what they're busy doing, raising their kids, they're busy creating a home that's full of the aroma of Christ. Yes. Do you know what they're busy doing, serving at their local church? I just want to say this, man, if you're a young woman and it's like, ah, where are my inputs? Change your inputs. Here's what you need to find. You need to walk into your church service and look for the woman who's got little gray hair. She probably, you know, she probably hadn't spent $80,000, nipping and tucking and blowing them up. So they look like inner tubes and it's like, she's probably not, she probably got a little gray hair. That's probably what she's got. She walks in, holding the hand of her husband and she's happy. And they sit there during the whole service and they're a little handsy. And then they walk out and every time you talk to them, you know what they do. You know what the woman who you need to listen to does? Every time you talk to them, she's like, hey, look at this picture of my grandkids. And she's serving them like, that's who you need to be, need to be listened to, not Jezebel Caller Daddy. Okay. That's number one. Number two, in this apart, honestly, I may have you edit out. You guys are going to tell me later is when she says, she says, I just want to point this out, man. But literally the least PC thing I can possibly say. But she's lying to you. And she's lying to you because I'm trying to make sure I say it in a reasonable way. She's lying to you because she's going against the design of creation. So let me just say what I mean here because I guarantee you don't know where I'm going Paul and this has got a bit of a wick in it. Okay. And what the Bible says is that man is a glory of God, but woman is a glory of man, okay? What that literally means is that when God creates in Genesis 1, 2, 3, He creates mankind and he's like, bro, that's great. When He creates woman, you remember what He says? He goes, this is. He doesn't say this is good. He says that is. That's very good. Yeah. So what the essentially the theology of man and woman, here's what it is. And it's going to sound like a dig on man. But just stick with me. You're going to see what I'm saying here. When he says that woman is the glory of man and that she was very good, essentially when God created woman, He went over mankind with a high gloss finish. It's the pinnacle of all of creation, what the Bible is insinuating is the beauty of a woman. That's what the Bible is insinuating. That's the pinnacle of human creation in one sense. Now this is the part that's not not PC. So what you got right here is you got two women, I don't know, 20s and they're 30s. And they're telling you no matter who you are. You're going to be able to find somebody better. That's a lie and here's the unPC part because men and women generally are attracted to different things and they have different priorities, that kind of thing. Women in general, they're attracted to men who are attracted to men who are leaders, who have a mission with their life, who can provide for them, protect them, that kind of thing. That's what women are attracted to. Men honestly, just general, this is just data are generally more visual than women. That's not the only thing. Not only man sees way past that, but that's just generally how men are wired. The reason what she's saying is a lie and dude, I'll just say it in a straightforward way, is that generally speaking. what the data shows and it aligns with the nature of how God has created things. Women generally have their best prospects to attract a great mate in their 20s. That's just like just a fact. So what you got right here is you got two women who are sitting there telling women all over the place, just dump 'em and you're gonna be able to find a better one. And what we know because we're actually pastors is man the longer you wait to get married. And by the way, dude, there's hope for everybody. Like we literally work all the time. We wanna, anybody that God's put that in their heart, I think it's a good desire. We wanna see that happen. But in general, your best chance to attract and keep a good husband as generally speaking, data's gonna show is when you're a little younger. So they're giving actually damaging advice to women that it doesn't play like, out like that in the real world. That listening to stuff like that is how you end up a single lonely spinster cat lady with nobody to visit on the holidays and nobody to visit you in the nursing home. - Can I give you another lie? - Please. - Although, I'm gonna ask because I don't wanna step on something maybe again too. They're also lying just in terms of the data that shows that happening. - Oh no, I'm coming back. - Okay, I'm coming back. - I'm coming back. - 'Cause literally like, we have to come back. - Yeah, I'm coming back. - So there's that they're wrong. - Yeah, I'll also put this out. Here's what, like just stop, and we're gonna finish the clip. There's like 10 seconds left. But like, dude, the reason we're talking a lot is because what you have is like 20 massively viral cultural lies that have been nuclear bombs on women's lives and family's lives all stacked into 23 seconds. So there's a reason we're, and they're all loaded just right here. The other thing I'll point out is just stop and think about the unspeakable narcissism of oh, Slay girl, you do you, Yas queen. This whole vibe of like anything that you want. Just divorce him, and just go get somebody else. Hey man, what about your kids matter? - Yeah. - Like what about your wedding vows? - Yes. - Do those matter? Like these are the type of people who don't care. By the way, do you know the data shows this? I should, I may have them edited, edited them into this, edit this into the episode. Did you know data literally shows? And brothers, like God can redeem anything that's broken. The data literally shows, that you take kids when they're young, one of them has a dad that dies, and one of them has parents that divorce. The kids that do emotionally better are the ones whose dad died. It's literally more emotionally traumatic and catastrophic for a child, for their parents to do what these Jezebel women are counseling millions of women to do. It's more damaging for your dad to die. Then for your mom to go, ah, I thought I could get somebody better, so I left. So if I have anger, it's righteous anger, because it's, bro, do you know what that does to a generation of children? - It's doing it. - It's doing it right now. It's doing it right now. So when she says all this, this was gone on. So let me just say one last thing, and we'll finish this clip. I'm talking for a long time, 'cause like I said, you got like 40 culturalized, compacted into 30 seconds that are like, it's a nuclear bomb on families, and we see it 'cause we're pastors. So again, this is one of those verses has a wit coming out of it. And I'm going to give a gentle nudge to just the Christian community in general, and I don't want it to come off the wrong way. Okay, so who should we be looking to? Who should women be looking to as a wise counsel? Okay, I'm going to read Titus 2, 3 through 5. Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way that they live, not slanderers. So in other words, they're not walking around, doing a gossip thing, and oh, what's the T? They're like, no, not that. Addicted to much wine, like the highlight of their week shouldn't be one down Wednesday, and getting drunk with their friends. That's, or addicted to much wine. But here's who you want. But to teach what is good, we teach what's good, now watch. Here's the part, this is a little un-PC. Then they can urge the younger women to do what? What should older, godly women be using their lives to do? Amen, let's do this. To teach the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home. I say this all the time, it's a whole podcast, but the Bible does not teach that a woman's place is the home. It does teach that a wife and a mother's priority is the home, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands. We do not apologize for anything the Bible says so that no one will malign the Word of God. All right, so that's who you're looking for. I'll gently say this, dude. Jan and I talk about this, and honestly, I'm just going to give a little shout out. Jan is probably going to start doing these, these little, uh, uh, lake point, or live free ladies' lives online again. Okay. She's probably going to start doing that. Like, these live little broadcasts once a month. Honestly, just to talk, like, just to give, like, bro, Jan is stored up 21 years. Like, Titus, too, is my wife. That's like, she's a walking that, okay? Except the older part. I'll just get that out of here. That's the joke, that's the joke. I was actually going to try to give you a little thing. That's the joke. You got it yourself, man. By the way, actually, I just want to say this. Jan and I have already had this thing. We're not going to be the type of people who spend our entire lives trying to act young. Like, dude, there's, this is a whole 'nother podcast. The Bible literally says what people should do as they age is just embrace becoming a dignified older person. And that's actually a good thing. Yeah. Like, hey, let's just, yeah, man, that's a good get. So it's actually a good and wonderful godly thing. I'll just gently point this out. And this is not shade at famous female Bible teachers. I am not pitting people against each other. I don't want it to come off that way. What that passage said is that women that teach other women are the voices that most influence them. Man, God's going, here's what I really want them focusing on, okay? All this stuff, you know, urge the younger women to love their husbands and kids, self-control and peer, busy at home, subject to their husbands, et cetera. And man, we want everyone teaching the Bible in different capacities in different ways. Men, women, that's, you know, we just like the Bible being taught. All this stuff's awesome. I will point out, 20, 25 years ago in sort of American Christian world, there were like, Jan and named them. She's like, man, Nancy Lee Damoss used to do this, Martha Peace. You know, Nancy Wilson does this now and that kind of thing. Where there are women who like their very well-known female Bible teachers. And the primary thing they wanted to teach was this. Man, let me encourage women to love their husbands and respect their husbands and invest in and love their kids and how to be a beautiful and godly homemaker. And I'll just gently point this out. Sometimes it can feel like the famous sort of female Bible teaching is about everything except that. Yes. It's just an interesting observation. It's like, we need more women who are like, that's what I want to do. I want to inspire women to be there. And I want to be careful with this. I know, dude. I don't know names, but there's a reason you don't hear about them finish in their last days. Because they usually don't have a platform that lasts as long as those other women do. That's as gently as I can say it. It's those who just stick to the Bible and teach the very things you've been doing. There's a reason they've had a long fruit from ministry. Others may be a flash in the pan, but they don't last. And there's a reason. There's a reason for that. That's as gently as I'll say it. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, I just got to do all the caveats so we don't get internet mobbed. We're not saying those are the only things the women are allowed to teach them. But the Bible is saying, hey, man, this is what we really want to see now. Let's finish things. Keep going. We can do this. Okay, we'll keep going here. That it's too late or you're too old. Or who are you to want more? That's patriarchy. That's patriarchy. Did you guys do that? That is crazy. We don't need it. Okay, I just want to focus on two things. So anybody go on, you know, basically, anybody encouraged you to stay in your marriage and honor your marriage vows. That's probably patriarchy. And those people encouraging you to stay married. They're crazy. Paul and Miles, did you know women don't need that? Okay, well, number one, what was the Bible say? Number two was a day to say. Okay. And I was pointing this out. That's patriarchy. Okay. I'm constantly pointing this out. Feminism is the ideological expression of the curse of the fall. I'm going to constantly say this. In Genesis 3, 16, after sin enters the world, God gives specific curses to men and women. One of the curses that he gave to women, as he said, "I will surely multiply your pain and child bearing." Everybody knows that's a curse. In pain, you shall bring forth children. And then he said, "Your desire shall be and different "bibles translate. "Different translations translate it differently." Some of them say, like, this is ESV. "Your desire shall be contrary to your husband." Some of them say, "Your desire shall be for your husband." Some of them say, "Your desire shall be against your husband." And then it says, "But he shall rule over you." So let me ask you this question, it's very interesting. So where does this impulse come from? That anybody that's encouraging you to stay, like, man, all this stuff, it's all the men's fault. And anybody, you know, this bringing sort of instruction, that's the patriarchy, that's the evil patriarchy. It's the ideological expression of the curse of the fall. Your desire shall be against or contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you. That's where the feminism blame it on the man comes from. It's literally the expression of this. Now, again, caveats. Yes, there are wicked and evil men in this world. You have heard us on this pot like brother and nothing we tee off on more than, like, bad men. - We call it out, Andrew Tate. Prince has and others, like, we've done it. - A whole six week sermon series, act like, like, all this stuff. But that's the thing. The other thing I want to point out, is she's gone. Hey, man, that's crazy. We don't need it. I'll just point this out. What you get a lot of times, it's called the pastor see this all the time. Podcasters don't got to deal with this. Pastor see this all the time. It's called the 80/20 principle. That whenever you have something, here's what people tend to do. Is they forget the 80% of what they have that actually they like. And they only focus on the 20% that they don't like. So this is what you do in marriage. This is a little marriage hack. What people tend to do is they're in their spouse. They have 80% of what they like. But over the years, you sort of take that stuff for granted. So then you focus more and more on the 20% you wish was different. I didn't always take a shower fast enough and he smells a little weird after that. I don't know why does he suck his fingers when he eats the chicken wing. It makes a popping sound and I don't like it. That kind of thing. You focus on the 20%, I've tried to come up with something idiosyncratic that you don't like. And then you become convinced, oh, I'm going to trade it. I need to trade it in. I can get somebody better. And what here's what they do is they leave the person where 80% was good and only 20% was bad. And then because they were focusing on the 20% that was bad, they walk out the door and they're looking for somebody who is that 20% that they really like. And they marry that. And then they end up in a marriage where they only like 20% and they dislike 80%. Listen, man, the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence, the grass is greener where you water it. That's right. This is why this doesn't work, man. And then I'll just point this out. I know I'm kind of teed off on this, but this we see this all time. She says that's crazy. We don't need it. Okay. I want to show you some data. First of all, that message is sinking in. So her her message is sinking in. So I guess these people are telling me earlier that Alice Cooper is like pretty progressive. So is that right? Both of them. Oh, so if you've been on a campaign trail with a dancing. So they're both pretty pretty progressive. Okay. So this is the message that especially in progressive circles that like women are getting bombarded with. Listen, you are being lied to and it will wreck your life. So Roku, I had no idea where to about this today. I was with some college students last night and I just asked and I was with a table. I'm like, Hey, like, what are the things that we need to be thinking about in your generation? This is from the top four things they mentioned. Was that prevailing attitude? Oh, the idea that men are awful. And in this whole kind of mentality, the dudes were talking about how they feel. They feel it. They hear it. Yeah. But then like the females and these were some ladies, some awesome college women who love Jesus who are leading some small groups at their campus. And they're like, Oh, yeah, that's very prevalent attitude of like, so I was thinking, I'm going to say, I had no idea what to say. This is a really hard at last night on the ground in Gen Z. So I just want you to know this man. Like I only talked to women real quick. Like we all know this. Like if you're going to be a Christian man, you have to have the ability to confidently differentiate yourself from and rebuke Godless men. That's right. So like I remember being in high school and like, you know, it's like when pornography became like a big thing. And guys literally in class would be sitting around talking about what they were watching and they would ask you. And you have to have the confidence as a man to be like, I'm not a porn guy, man. That's like not my thing. Like and you just like, I'm not that guy or like when guys in, you know, college, you playing sports, it's like hook up, check up, break up, culture, like how many chicks can I sleep with? That's their language, you know, kind of thing. You have to have the ability as a man of God to be like, that's not me, man. That's right. I just want to warn you, if you're a woman, you are going to be surrounded by Jezebel women constantly. You have to have it in the beauty of your soul to plant your feet and confidently say, I'm Jesus, I'm Jesus, not Team Jezebel. I hate it. You need to be the type of one of this like, man, the men in my life have been wonderful. And I'm thankful for Godly men. Like, you got to have the ability to differentiate yourself from Godless ideologies you're breathing. So she says, that's crazy. We don't need it. The message is sinking in. Check this date is nuts, bro. This is nuts. This was on CNN. So this is not like Newsmax. This is not like, you know, right wing propaganda. This is CNN. So they pulled and I hate, you know, I hate that there's candidates up there. I'm trying to just show ideologies. But basically they pulled conservative men and women and then progressive men and women. And they asked them to rank life priorities. So this is Gen Z. Miles, these are all your buddies. They're doing all this stuff. So they rank them. Now bro, check this out for conservative men. This is insane. There are number one priority in life for conservative men. Check it out. I got it highlighted up there top left. Having children would have never guessed it. The number one thing to like, you know, I don't want it alive. Children, children. Now bro, check this out. This is the Alex Cooperification of a generation of women. So then you ask progressive women far right column. What are your life priorities? Guess what came in? Listen, dead last having children. That's insane. Insane conservative dudes. Number one priority. I want to raise children that love me and love Jesus. Progressive women. The last priority in their life. Having children. Okay, now that will wreck your life. Yes. Because there is a reason the Bible says it is not good for man to be alone and his implied is also a woman and it says be fruitful, multiply. All gods commands are good. Guess who? So if you get a generation of women who are gone, you know what? The last thing I want in life is to stay in a faithful marriage and have kids. Guess what? The data shows results in the most happiness in a woman's life. Check this out. I'm going to give you two graphs. So this is this is from this is two. I'm going to give you one from 2022 and then one from this year. So you got right here. So this is the data. You know, big general social survey. So see down at the bottom. Again, this is not like right wing propagandists from the general social survey. Okay. So you got unmarried. It's it's women. This is only women unmarried women with and without children and then married women with and without children. And it's the percent of them that repself report saying I'm very happy. Guess who? It's the exact opposite of the cultural narrative. Yep. The kind of the vibe, the else Cooper vibe is, you know how you're going to be really happy. You just, you know, sleep around and, you know, and and ditch every dude that you want. Keep upgrading. All you can man. That's it. Keep upgrading. Definitely avoid kids. Yeah. So you can travel and get a high body count. That's what's going to be that's what's going to make you really happy. The data shows married women with children report being, quote, very happy more than any other population segment in America. Oh, yeah, I'll give you another one. Go to the next one. Exact same thing. This is 2025. It's like this is within the last 12 months. Exact same data. Women between 20 ages 25 and 55 who report being, quote, very happy. The highest percent of women who report being, quote, very happy, married women with children. Yes. So listen, God's commands are not burdensome. He is leading you in passive righteousness for his namesake in your joy. Amen. And data shows us not only just that, but also those who are once married higher rates of happiness than those who are divorced, including especially those who are divorced multiple times. This idea of like, Hey, because there's the explicit lie you mentioned, but there's the implicit lies of you deserve it. Yeah. And this will make you happy. That's at the heart of so much of this. You deserve it. This will make you happy. But the data shows it that it does the exact opposite of that. Also, they've done studies of those who had unhappy marriages. I saw at least one study were showed were those who were unhappy marriages. If they stayed married for five more years, guess what happened? The increase of happiness in their marriage went up. Correct. So instead of like, Oh, I'm unhappy. To your point, I don't like this 20%. I'm going to toss it and go somewhere else. If they actually stated it, they became happier. Whereas if you chased it somewhere else, your levels of happiness went down. Right. So I just wanted to highlight there's so much more data that cannot kind of say a few things, but let me just say, because as you were talking, let me just think this and I was listening to them. I closed it out with some insane stats that's in a second that because now what you're starting to see is honestly, dude, and it's not good. Like if you're a young man, don't do this. Now what you're starting to see is a generation of younger men who are really nervous to get married because they feel like that's the that's the pool that I don't want that to happen to me. Yeah. I'm going to give you some insane data here in a second. So just go with me on this. And be honest, could my wife, Amy, find an objectively better husband somewhere in the world than me? I refuse to dog my man, Paul. Well, I will go ahead and say it 100%. Yes. 100%. Yes. I know that sounds just stick with me for a second. I'm with you. 100%. Yes, she could somewhere out there. There is a godlier man than me somewhere out there. Let's just put this in sports terms amongst what 32 NFL teams, 31 of them could say objectively, there's a better quarterback somewhere else than our team. Everybody except my bangles. And so I'm just saying somewhere out. Dude, okay, I'm not going to take the bait. I'm not going to take the bait. Somewhere out there, there is a better man than me that would be a better husband to my wife. Is there objectively a better wife out there than Amy? Heck no. Okay, I'm going for that. It's like I had actually just kind of almost just let a word fly right there. No, there's not. And I wanted to say that that should be the attitude of every married person, man or woman, man or woman. What I just said is man, yeah, I do believe that out there somewhere objectively, there is a better husband that could be Amy's husband. But I do not believe that there is a better wife out there. That should be the attitude. By the way, my wife is amazing. And she has her things. She has her little quirks like you mentioned that drive that drive us everybody has those. She has some things that got us sanctifying her way less than he sanctifying me in by the way, but obviously I want to highlight that. And that's not just for men. That's for dudes too. Yes, that's right. What I just said is for dudes too. attitude you got to have to just pass that no matter what hang ups or sins that she has in her life, you will never find a better one. This leads me to the other thing I was going to say in this is that what this mentality, like really what is based on is the idea of marriage is about me. Yes, right. That's right. It's about me. And so if I can find someone that is better for me, I should simply leave the person I'm with and go find that person. But marriage isn't about you. That's right. And it's not even about your spouse. Ultimately, the Bible tells us that marriage is supposed to be a pointer to our relationship with Jesus Christ. And let me tell you right now that if Jesus ditched us at the first sign of us not being a perfect spouse to him, we would be gone one second actually put our faith in him. Yeah, that's right. Amen. But that's not. Amen. And it's our marriage is supposed to be a picture of Christ's love for the church, our love for him. And that is an unending, unbreakable love, even though we don't deserve it. So I'm just like, I get that there's some tough marriages out there. I get that there's some tough relationships. It's not about you. There you go. It's about your marriage pointing to something greater than you. And that's Jesus Christ. That's all I wanted to say. Let me finish this out with some data and then miles you can price out. So what you're getting right now is that I didn't have time to show this data is you're getting some young men who are seeing stuff like that. And then honestly, man, this is a whole different podcast. The way that the ever since the initiation of no fault divorces in the 70s and the way that divorce laws are set up the United States rights. I'm just going to tell you right now it's a problem. Yeah. And it's a it's a problem. Honestly, primarily for men. Let me just point this out. So what you got is you got a bunch of young guys who are seeing that. And then they're going to wait a second. So 50% of marriages end in divorce. By the way, that is not true for a for a committed Christians that attend church. Like it was like you're like three times less likely to get divorced, but so they're going, man, 50% of marriage is in divorce. They're going, man, 80% of custody outcomes in divorce proceedings all go to the women. 97% of alimony and spousal support is paid by the men to the women. Ever since no fault divorce, they're going, now wait a second. Especially like people aren't Christians. They're going, now wait a second. So because of no fault divorce, she can just divorce you whenever she wants. And she's listening to podcasts all day where they're like just divorce him. You can definitely do better. And it doesn't even matter if I don't want the divorce, she can just do it. And now 71% of divorces are initiated by women. And oh, by the way, she just walk out the door and not even have a reason. And there's going to be a 50 50 asset division, even though you didn't want the divorce. So now you're starting to get younger guys that are like, I'm makes me a smidge nervous. Makes me a smidge nervous. Now, so let me just land the plane right here. Don't buy in to the lies, but then also don't buy the black pill is what like don't do that. And I'll just point this out and I'll just say it in a straightforward way because that's like the Alex Cooper vibe. So I'll just what they're trying to sell you is that young hot people having creative sex is going to result in the happiest marriage. Can I just point some out if young hot people having created sex resulted in happiness and the happiest marriages, then all the happiest marriages would be in Hollywood. My friends, let me just ask you, are the happiest marriages in Hollywood? No, I don't think so. They're in the church. They're serving the youth group. That's it. They're doing those things with their kids. That's it. That's it. That's it. Just look at the outcomes and let me just say here's what success in life looks like as a married couple. You want to be the old, wrinkly married couple sitting in rocking chairs when your ages start with a six seven eight or a nine holding hands watching your great grandkids play around in the backyard. And no one that your three generations deep serve in the Lord together with gladness and you know that your great grandkids are going to grow up loving Jesus too. That is success in life. Go for it. Miles closes out man. Great. Great job. Hey, come on. I love to really pray for us man. Lord Jesus, we love you. And God in a world that is throwing better and better at us with flashing lights. God, I pray for everyone listening to this podcast. Lord, they would know that you are better. God, I pray that for everyone. Watching this and listening to this God, they would not waste their life. God that you would encounter them in a fresh way. And then God, we would be bold men, bold women for the kingdom of God in a culture that's gone crazy. And so God, we love you. We serve you. 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