Part Two: Elizabeth Dilling: The Original Candace Owens

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I mean, both like how a lot of like people just in our industry make their living today. But how a lot of like conservative media people get started, where she is building this like grassroots, like from that she's like convincing people to give her money to go like root out communists in the world. Like it's a very modern business model, which is weird to me. - Absolutely. She tapped into that fear-mongering grip, real. - Yeah, really on. - Exactly. So she is ahead of her time. You know, you can, you never like, we don't like to be like, well, that's a smart lady. But that is a smart lady. Just not in a way that most of us like respect people being intelligent, but it clearly is. - Well, honestly, it's a smart lady who had the wrong influences. And a brain that wasn't put to its proper use and then found its uses. That's what I was getting from our first episode. - I think that's a healthy way to look at it. It's like, if only the things that she was clearly gifted at had been put to a less evil end. But then the question is like, would that have happened? Would something less evil have motivated her this way, you know? And I guess that gets into the fiddler questions about human morality. Anyway. - It does. - The opening of the red network, which again, that's her second big book, right? That's basically this telephone book of all of the communists in the country and the secret left-it-wing agents trying to bring down capitalism. The opening of this book was dedicated to the professional patriots, right? Again, it feels very modern, which is like, open this book is dedicated to the professional patriots. And she just grabs it as everyone who is as crazy as she is and believes that the whole country is about to fall to the red. So this book is for all the people that everyone says that you're crazy. But you're not crazy. I know you're not crazy. We all know that, you know, the book's intro warned about the coming communist socialist world conspiracy, quote, with its four horsemen, atheism, immorality, class hatred and pacifism for the sake of red revolution is boring within our churches, schools and government and is undermining America like a cancerous growth. First off. - It's so embarrassing how little these conversations have changed, sorry. - Yeah, yes, very little. Like it does come on. - But also like the four horsemen, you know, we know what the actual four horsemen are and they're all cool stuff, like famine and like war and plague. And they're not the cool stuff. Class hatred, the horsemen of class hatred, the horsemen of pacifism for the sake of red revolution. That's just bad writing Liz, that's just bad writing. - Just taking some real liberties here. - Yeah, before she gets into the book, she makes sure to thank the staunch D-A-R of which the author unfortunately is not a member, which is so sad. And she calls the D-A-R the best informed body of women on this subject in America. She just cannot stop looking those boots. Another person she thanks is Mr. Harry Young. We talked about last episode of the American Vigilant Intelligence Federation and who brought the protocols of the elders of Zion to the United States, who she brags was sufficiently annoying in his anti-red free speech to be honored by intimidating libel suits, filed by the notorious free speech for reds only ACLU. So the book was just a reprint of a lot of her old essays and a list of groups like the ACLU that have what she considered to be known communist ties. One portion of the book is dedicated to the socialist party and the new deal and argues that the US socialist party was growing to subsume the democratic party and would soon take it over entirely and that the new deal was the instrument through which the democratic party would be devoured by the socialist party. How's the socialist party doing today? - Yeah, I know. - It's a fanciful document and every notion in Dilling's book is again, fanciful and best and outright idiotic at worst. This has been proven by the path that history took, right? We know that she was wrong. Dilling labeled some 460 American organizations communist, radical pacifist, anarchist, socialist, or IWU controlled. That's the international workers of the world. - The idea that radical pacifism is something to be afraid of is so wild to me. - Pacifists suggest that pacifism only serves the red revolution, right? It just stops you from being able to fight against communism, you know? - Oh, okay. - Even though weirdly enough in like World War II, some of the only people who like her didn't want to fight the Nazis were pacifists. - Things get messy. - Interesting. - And war, your allegiance is in the weird. - Yeah. She never examines that at all. So it listed 13, she lists 1300 or so of these different organizations. Because she is a woman, she assumed that her own word would not be a value to the readers of her book with that extensive backup. And this is one of the weirdest things about this. She repeatedly be like, I know you're not going to trust what I'm saying about this because I'm just a lady, right? And then she'll provide like, that's how she writes this book a lot. She'll include mail. So you don't have to take it for me. Here's a man saying the same thing. Like it's both, she's very cognizant of her reader's biases and shares them. And that's part of the text in a very strange way. Or she's like, obviously as a girl, I don't know what I'm talking about. Here's the smarter man saying it. - It's so fascinating. - It's really interesting. - And at a strong level, she doesn't buy it. Because she knows how to be the one to write this bullshit. - Yes, yes. Now the red network was a massive success among the crank right, which was even then forming as a reaction of the moneyed classes to FDR's new deal and the terrifying threat of communism abroad at home. The first ultra wealthy founders of far right anti-communist paranoia have started gearing up in this period. And Elizabeth Dilling has helped to make a place for herself as one of the most prominent redbaders in the country. And the years to come, the red network would be cited as expert testimony in a dozen congressional investigations and legislative investigations. And Erickson writes was used successfully in at least one court case. So a bunch of different, like this, her book is cited regularly. It becomes part of a bunch of different attempts to bring charges to different communist groups. There's obviously nothing of any real informative value in the red network. The book existed primarily to condemn people by association using spurious rumors that would tar anyone left of Hitler as a communist subversive looking to outlaw Christianity. Because Liz did such a good job of making her book appear exhaustively sourced by citing numerous prominent cranks with the guy who helped bring modern anti-Semitism to the US, it quickly became beloved by police officers because they could say, look, we know this is a bad guy. Look at all the citations that say this group is a part of his dangerous, right? Like cops love the red network because they can point to a meeting of an organization in their town and be like, we had to break it up. It's in this book, you know? Like she has given them the main thing they need, which is an excuse to go brutalize somebody. The new republic would warn an article in the 1930s that Dilling's book carried weight with many law enforcement officers, particularly local cops who were, quote, only too glad to have a list of suspected communists that they could hassle. The book had been designed for this purpose to provide an excuse for reactionary police officers, congressmen, and private mobs to attack regular citizens. On at least two episodes of this show, I've cited the work of pioneering anti-fascist journalist Dorothy Thompson, who among other things wrote an essay titled, Who Goes Fascists? That I've quoted a number of times on this. It's the one where she's playing that part of their game. She's like talking about like a normal party in the United States in the late '30s. And it's like, try to imagine if fascism came to America, which of these people would go? And it's a stunning article because it works perfectly today. She describes all the kinds of people who went fascist in our own, we've watched it happen in our own lives. Dorothy's a genius, was a brilliant writer. Dorothy Thompson described Elizabeth Dilling as, quote, one of the most successful defamers, a private character in this country. And that's a very good way to look at her, is her business is defamation. And it's providing an excuse for police officers, for thugs, for bigots to attack folks by tearing them as communists. That's what it is. Her book is an excuse for violence, you know, more than anything. - Yeah. - Now one of the things that made Elizabeth novel was her willingness to throw all pretense of civility and earnest disagreement out the window. Her enemies were communist traitors subversives and all liberals were socialists, with meant all liberals were some kind of red, as Christine Ericsson writes for the journal of American studies. Dillings willingness to irreverently paint all liberals with varying shades of red, won her many accolades from the right, would help to make the red network and instant hit among patriots with its accessibility to older studies by representative Hamilton Fish, who headed an investigation in 1931 of communist activities in the US and Senator Clayton R. Lusk, who compiled a four-volume report of the Joint Committee investigating seditious activities in New York in 1920. Now these old works weren't particularly accurate, but neither was the new data that had been gathered by guys like Harry Young, right? And neither is anything that Elizabeth bringing into this. What matters is she's adding all this together which makes it seem like there's a weight of evidence behind her claims. The red network sells very well, but only some of that money goes to Liz. Many copies are distributed and given away or sold by third party groups with mailing lists. She doesn't always make money off of this. Still, even though this doesn't necessarily make Liz wealthy, it provides her with one of a kind, clout amongst cranks, right? She is now like the top of the list when it comes to this kind of person. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I always feel like a broken record, but I have to say it, it's just, it's the same playbook now, it's the same fucking thing. - Lying is the right thing. - Lying is the right way to make a living, you know? It's just easier. - Yeah. - Yeah, and giving people the permission structure to do the bad things or to villainize people to, you know, bring the force of the law, whatever. - One of the most reliable ways to make a lot of money in American media is to find a group of people that a bunch of assholes already want to hurt and then give them an excuse to hurt those people, you know? Great way to make money in America. - Ooh, thank God she didn't have a Twitter account. - Yeah. People treated her in this era, like how I imagine Alex Jones wishes he was more consistently treated as a heroic truth teller, who for the very first time had provided regular Americans with a way to fight back against the Reds, who, you know, were destroying the country. One of Elizabeth's fans told her that he consulted the Red Network almost daily, a fact that implies a life more depressing than I can express. She was popular among women with influential husbands too, which gave her a kind of influence in and of itself. And that's like an interesting thing to me, is a lot of her claims to like being able to change things is like the wife of this guy started her ringing her husband about Liz's bullshit. And so this guy like got involved in making changes. - Yeah. - It's, yeah, unfortunate what a good business that is to be in at this period of time, but it does work. - And smart of, smart of her, I guess, to pinpoint that as profitable for her. - Yeah, and she's very much cognizant of that, of that like this is one way you can change the world is by getting wives to harass their husbands about stuff like this. - Yeah, very effective. - Yeah, many of the people in organizations named in her book were Jewish, a fact that was not missed by the outright fascists and Nazi sympathizers that were increasingly organizing in the United States as the thirties wore on. The German-American Bund distributed free copies of the Red Network. So did the Aryan bookstore of Los Angeles, which was founded in 1933. This was an institution in LA for years. For quite a long time. - The Aryan bookstore. - I have not. - Yeah, I like it. - Yeah, the Aryan bookstore. I wanted to look into this. So for an idea of the kind of good, respectable conservative writing that the Aryan bookstore published, I found a 1940 FBI file on the Aryan bookstore that included several examples of their original publications. So one of these was a pamphlet for the United Florida Ku Klux Klan, who apparently paid to have their weekly newspaper distributed via the bookstore. Here's why one paragraph of that document read. Why the Ku Klux Klan? The facts about the Ku Klux Klan, its birth, mission and purpose, have been most widely distorted by the Jew-controlled news media. Immediately after the Civil War, if the Jew radicals and revolutionaries who had gained a large control over the Union government sent their carpet back or stooges, and I'm not even gonna finish this paragraph 'cause it gets a lot worse after that. You get the idea. - We get the idea. - Liz's book is being sold by these people, right? - Yeah. - I don't need to finish that statement for you to know the company and your ideas are keeping. - My God. - Yikes. - Yeah, I'm not exaggerating by calling you basically a Nazi if your books are primarily being sold in the Aryan bookstore of Los Angeles. What I just read should make it clear that as always, Elizabeth Dilling's anti-communism was a synonym for anti-Semitism and fascist race, hatred. Another Aryan bookstore publication sold right alongside the Red Network was the Christian Youth Corps Weekly Report. Sophie's gonna show you a little excerpt from the Christian Youth Corps Weekly Report. It's got a very fascist looking flag with like a plus sign and like a white circle or a red background, almost like a swastika. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, our emblem. The red field is for the blood of Christ that was shed for us. The white circle is symbolic of the ever-loving life through Christ and the cross. Oh, good. That seems. And then the first article under the Christian Youth Corps Weekly Report, what is Jewish ritual murder? - Oh my God. - I bet other great publication. Again, these are just Nazi papers. Liz is just a Nazi. She's selling her book and Nazi bookstores, 'cause she's a Nazi. I'm sharing all this stuff 'cause-- - Yeah, I don't think that she would a shirk from that description. - I mean, after a certain point, she's sure would. But yeah, during this period of time, I think you're right. She would be proud to be identified with them. - Sure. I bet she still continues with her anti-communism part, though. - So yeah, I'm sharing all this stuff because I want people to understand, Liz Dilling's bedfellows from the jump are outright Nazis. This is never a thing she's tricked by. She doesn't like fall into this. She's not surprised by the fact that she's like sanding side by side with these folks. These are her allies from the jump. And the fact that she's also popular with garden variety conservatives is because many garden variety conservatives were also basically Nazis until World War II made that too dangerous and ideology to espouse. Dilling identified herself with these people from the jump, writing in the red network that Nazi Germany was only mean to Jewish people defensively. Quote, "The large number of revolutionary Russian Jews in Germany doubt was contributed towards making fascist Germany anti-Semitic." - Oh yeah, she's absolutely Nazi. - Yeah, she's fucking for sure in Nazi. Easily, easy to judge her as that. - If she was living in Germany, she'd have the R&B in, you know? - Hey, don't worry. She'll get to Germany before this story's over. - Oh, good. - Don't worry, Kate. - She hasn't tried her getting in. - Yeah. - Oh, good. - For the most part, well, she's been on this ideological journey. Elizabeth has had numerous allies, but none of them held a candle to the man who was her primary peer and influence, who real, in a lot of ways, like this is the guy that she sees herself as subservient to and sees herself as really like working to like aid and further. This is the great man of her era, the finest reactionary rabble rouser of his day, Father Charles Coughlin. Now, we've talked about Father Coughlin in the past. He's come up a couple of times on this show. As you'd expect from the name, Father Coughlin was a Catholic priest, who was also his era as equivalent of, I mean, he's another like Alex Jones type figure. There's a lot of these guys at the time. He is like a reactionary, right-wing radio guy who's ranting about communist subversion on the air. He's infamous for spreading racist conspiracy theories about communism and the Jews, and he's primarily motivated after a point by an insane and unreasoning hatred of FDR's new deal. That's a big thing for Father Coughlin and his like a day. Now, give you a brief overview of his life. Charles Coughlin had been born in 1891 in Hamilton, Ontario to a devout Catholic family who encouraged him to enter preparatory seminary school at St. Michael's College when he was just 13. He'd graduated in 1911 as president of the first graduating class of his newly established college and then entered the seminary proper. Despite his confirmed status as a Canadian, his precise shade of Catholicism drew him to the United States in particular to Waco where he worked for the Basilian Order. Now, this basically means that he was really into this particular stream of like, it's Catholic, but it's like orthodox, Conan monasticism, 'cause like the Basilians are mostly popular in Ukraine. But again, it's a weird like, almost orthodoxy, colored Catholic thing as far as I can tell. I don't understand it. Well, I'm not super into Catholicism. Anyway, he gets ordained on June 29th, 1916 and started teaching psychology in a few other classes at a Sumption College in Ontario. In 1918, the Basilian Order decided that all of its members needed to take a vow of poverty, right? So they're like, we really think that, you know, what we're doing is best if everyone agrees never to have any money. And Father Coughlin is like, well, I don't see why I need to be poor and so he leaves. - Yeah, so they didn't like that, right? - Well, wait, we're poor now? No, no, no, no, no. - So he joins a diocesan clergy in Detroit and his career continued along with that incident until 1926 when he was asked to help raise money to build a new parish in Royal Oak, St. Teresa of Lesou. And he had been interested in the burgeoning new technology of radio for some time and decided to work out a deal with a local station to help him to let him perform a radio show to raise money. Father Coughlin turned out to have a gift for this and his fundraiser was a huge success The large part because he doesn't just stick to it. religion. A big portion of his first broadcasts were dedicated to ranting about the spread of communism in the United States, which he saw in terms very similar to Elizabeth Dilling. In fact, she caught his first broadcast, and Amy Dye suspected helps to radicalize her that like she watches him give this first broadcast when she's getting started as an anti-communist activist, and this is a big thing that like motivates him. Now, Dilling's anti-communism was firstly rooted in her Christian faith, but as time grew on, she grew furious at the fact that most priests and pastors were not like Father Coughlin. As one biographer wrote, she became nauseated by her church's attitude towards communism, had to restrain to herself to avoid being thrown out and had no time to waste in a church activity. So she's disgusted by the actual churches that she goes to, and she's really drawn to this guy because he's acting the way she thinks every priest ought to be acting. She doesn't understand why every man of faith in her world isn't talking like Father Coughlin. So that's a big part of why she loves this guy. The guy refused to take the vow of poverty. That would not take a vow of body. It's so interesting. Just despite being raised a certain way, although there's plenty of contradictions in how she was raised, but the Catholic, just the religious aspect, but like, no, I know better than the priests. I know better than the church that I've grown up and I find it distasteful. It's weird. I mean, I think it makes sense if you understand that like for someone like this, religion is not about what the faith says or even what God says. It's about finding the ultimate boss to back up that whatever your opinion is is right. You have the ultimate called authority. That's all that it is to them, really, I think. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So one of Liz and Father Coughlin's favorite Bible verses was Matthew 1034. Think not that I am come to sin to peace on earth. I come not to sin to peace, but a sword. Now this is, you know, you'll get this. That Pete Hegg's death likes that verse too, by the way, they believed only organized political Christianity could defeat the radical left by the early 1930s when Dilling was publishing her most influential books, CBS picked up Coughlin's program. And to the end of 1931, it had more than 40 million listeners. By 1933, the year before the Red Networks publication, Coughlin had 106 clerks to handle the delusive mail from his fans. In 1935, the radio league of his parish had cashed $4 million in money orders in just 20 months. Coughlin like Dylan. Yeah. So she's, I mean, yeah, this brings in a shitload of money, right? Yeah. Coughlin is famous in a way that almost no one is in this period of time. Unlike Dilling, Coughlin was initially a supporter of FDR, right? Not out of any strong political conviction. He certainly doesn't like believe, particularly in FDR's politics, but he does believe that he really ought to be involved in a presidential administration. And so in early 1932, he actually meets FDR. And FDR promises, if I get elected, I'll, I'll go to you directly for like advice, you know, I'll ask you for your advice on different things because, because Coughlin, he has a bunch of things he wants to advise the presidency about. So Coughlin backs FDR because he thinks he's going to have an end to the new administration. And in fact, father Coughlin invents a couple of important catchphrases that help like sell FDR's campaign, including the new deal is Christ's deal. But after FDR wins, Roosevelt's like, well, this guy's obviously crazy. I let's block his number. Like I'm not actually going to go to him for advice or anything. And father Coughlin, when he realizes he's been betrayed, loses his mind and begins dedicated himself to attacking the new deal as godless communism. It was funny to me because dealing, dealing hates FDR from the start. She loves Coughlin from the start, but she always ignores that Coughlin likes FDR when he thinks he's going to get something out of FDR. Like she, she can't square with that. Yeah, yeah. In 1946, Coughlin starts a weekly newspaper titled Social Justice and used it to attack FDR. He joined with an alliance of anti-Rosevelt thinkers to stop the president's re-election campaign, campaigning alongside Huey Long, Reverend Gerald L.K. Smith, and of course Elizabeth Dilling. By the late 30s, she'd become almost as a demand to speaker as him. It was giving speeches several times a week at women's clubs, veterans clubs, chambers of commerce and other civic organizations around the country. During the election, she often gave five speeches a day. By this point, she'd become a big enough name that she was taking home 50% of the money she collected during her talks, plus expenses, and an honorarium. She's doing okay, but there still isn't big money by her standards. That said, her motivation to doing this is not financial primarily. It's because within the very narrow window of what women ought to be doing that she espoused, this was the path that allowed her the most agency in fame, right? That she's not breaking the rules, and probably because she's not taking too much money. But this is like the most she gets to be out in the world while pretending that she's still holding to her values about that sort of thing. Is a Huey Long? Is that the Kingfish guy? Yeah, it is. We'll tell you about Huey. Huey is, yeah, he's a Louisiana governor who is a fascinating figure. Dero, I say. Certified side bastard. Yeah, for sure side that. We're going to, he'll get his episodes one of these days. There's just a lot to say about all Huey. They don't make them like that anymore in American politics. We're better and for worse. The Kingfish guy. Yeah, I would say so. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nobody like Huey. Nobody like Huey. It's a shame. I mean, Huey's last chapter, especially, I do wish more, more politicians would take a take a leaf out of the end of his career. All right. It's time for the bastards on Huey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast. Here's what you missed. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. 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Elizabeth Dilling presented her speeches much like Kaufland's full of anguish and hateful words. Elizabeth would incorporate props into her speeches such as red banners, YWCA's songbooks, magazines, pamphlets, and of course newspapers. Elizabeth would sing songs about the so-called red menace and ridiculed it at every opportunity. Her husband, Albert, would accompany Dilling on the piano and pass out sheet music to provoke the audience. A favorite of the audience attending her speeches was Dilling's impressions of Eleanor Roosevelt. Elizabeth would speak at a Yiddish accent ridiculing the first lady at every opportunity. Elizabeth's speeches would normally last around two hours and the audience loved every minute of it. The audience sat rapidly, fearing it might miss a good story or important reference. She was always careful to end and often begin her lectures by acknowledging that again she was "just a woman with a mouth" in her words. And true to that, her audiences were never as big as the ones that Kaufland could draw. But she was easily the most famous woman in far-right politics for her time. And while in big crowd for her was seldom more than a hundred or two hundred people, her fans were unusually dedicated. Dilling later recalled, "After one lecture, about 50 people from the audience arose to pledge their lives to Jesus as the antidote to communism." Wow. Okay. Yeah. Good stuff. Now while Father Kaufland became his own cottage industry with a vast staff, Elizabeth continued to do all of her own research and writing. She is a one-woman shop. Her husband Albert was her only assistant and he helped so often that his real work suffered. Over time, despite her strongly stated belief that women should not work and certainly shouldn't be the breadwinner of the family, her work began to make up the bulk of the family and come. In 1935, she'd started reaching out to one of the most famous men in Chicago for help. Charles R. Walgreens. What business do we think Charles R. Walgreens was in? Get any guesses of what company he helps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is the CVS guy. You're right. You're right. CVS guy, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is the right idea. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I never thought I'd never read Charles Walgreens. Never passed my mind that Walgreens was named after a person. For sure. Yeah. It's a guy. It's a guy. It starts as a bootlecker if I'm not mistaken. Or basically because they needed a way to legally sell people booze during prohibition and that's where Walgreens got its start. Now, because Walgreens' niece attended the University of Chicago, Elizabeth thought that he would be willing to help her launch a war against communism among the school staff. And basically, she goes to him and says, do you know how many of these teachers are in my book, The Red Network is like card carrying socialists and communist infiltrators and Walgreens horrified. And he indeed withdraws his niece from the college when dealing shows of how any professors were suspected communists. Now, one of the men that she accused was Harold Swift, a president of the Board of Trustees. She considered a cream puff type of red. quote, one of the millionaires who like to play around with radicals. So again, this is not like an actual political firebrand. This is like a rich guy who's on like the board of a big university. He's just not a dick, but she says some rich men turned to booze, some to chorus girls, and others to communism when the revolution came, his throat would be slit. And the communism is like, maybe we should pay teachers more and stuff. I have a feeling that's more, more when she's considering that evil position. Yeah. Despite her dire claims, the committee that investigated Swift found no reason to take action against him. But Dilling was regularly successful in ruining careers and launching waves of random hate and people she decided were guilty of communism. And again, there's a lot, a lot in common with like the modern anti progressive communist, you know, fucking professor on campus, Crusade, that's especially. Well, she sounds like some lower-loomer type for real. There's a little act man in there, you know, some of this fucking, this fear mongering around your university is in the education system. Yeah. And she, but she's one of the first people on the right to do that in an organized way. And doing it in a way that you could, oh, you could literally just swap the names out and it's the same way this, this, this reads today when people accuse professors and stuff of this. Yeah. Dilling was regularly successful in ruining people's careers. But like her idol, Father Kaufland, she resolved the greatest effort of her working life for the fight to unseat FDR. In speeches, that election, the 1936 election, Dilling told audiences of D.A.R. members and Rotarians that if FDR won reelection, there would be zero chance of another free election ever taking place in the United States. And we can see just how right she was. God, she was prescient. Yeah, she really, she saw it all coming. That was the end of democracy in America. Yeah. While Kaufland was clearly a power-hungry opportunist willing to bend for the sake of his own influence, Elizabeth pursued her political advocacy with the feverish intensity of a true believer. She didn't just campaign against FDR, she dedicated herself to finding his replacement. Now for some reason, she decided the best way to do this was to sabotage the potential candidacy of another man that she saw as just as bad as FDR, so she decides I have to make sure the right man gets like in position to take down FDR, and the best way to do that is to stop another guy I think is even worse from becoming a candidate. And the guy that she sees is even worse is like a potential disasterous Republican presidential candidate in 36 is Senator William Borah of Idaho. And her fear was that Senator Borah might win the Republican nomination, which would lead to what she considered a Communist versus Communist general election. Right? If Borah runs against FDR, it's just too communist on the ballots. Let's take a look at this Communist Senator, Elizabeth dedicated herself to destroying. William Edgar Borah had been born the year the Civil War ended. He grew up in Kansas, but moved to Idaho to practice law before he was elected to the senate in 1907. He became known as a progressive insurgent against President Taft's policies and fought against both the Treaty of Versailles and turned Calvin Coolidge down when he offered to make Borah his running mate in 1924. Borah was mixed on the New Deal, which is why he decided to run in 1936, but this is also why Dilling saw him as just as bad as FDR because he's pro-New Deal, he just wants it to be somewhat different, right? Now, Borah also supported about the ACLU and was in favor of extending diplomatic recognition to the USSR, a country that undeniably existed. All this added up to a communist and Liz's book. You and that's like it. That's no go for her. She's been over there. We. You can't have diplomatic relations with those people. No, you can't acknowledge that they exist, even though they do. It's a very like, we're going to do this with fucking Taiwan for a huge part of like the latter 20th century, where we're just like, no, if you want to talk to China, you have to talk to Taiwan. And some people who are rational will be like, but like guys, you can feel however you want about the Civil War, but like Taiwan is obviously not China. There's a whole country, there's millions of people, hundreds of millions of people living in China governing. We can't just pretend this island speaks for all of them. That's stupid as shit, but we did it a long time. I love that. I'm just going to get out of here. I can't be communist if I don't say so. It still is our over there. Shut up. It's a grow up. It's really funny, like children. As Dai described from this is Liz talking about Bora, quote, both the public and the Chicago Tribune would call Bora the idol of Moscow to sway votes against Bora. Elizabeth wrote a pamphlet entitled Bora from within. The grand old republic party distributed 5,000 copies at its national convention in Cleveland. Soon after, Elizabeth started taking credit for denying Bora the presidential nomination. After basking in the glow of Boris defeat, Elizabeth eyed another presidential nominee, so whom she deemed as being unworthy. That person would be none other than Kansas governor Alfred M. Landon. Elizabeth saw Alfred M. Landon as a night clerk trying to appear as a serious candidate for the Oval Office. Due to his apprehension, Landon had a hard time speaking in front of a large crowd. Elizabeth feared that Roosevelt without talk Landon and therefore FDR would win the presidency. I got to give Liz credit for one thing, which is she is right. Alfred Landon was a dog shit candidate for the presidency. Terrible. Especially against FDR. You want to take maybe the man with the greatest natural political instinct, who's ever become a president of the United States, and you put Alf fucking Landon next to his ass. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to work. Yeah. Just anybody that doesn't like speaking in front of crowds, I would be scared of speaking of crowds to fight FDR in a fucking political cage match. That'll work. That'll work. He's not the most beloved man in American politics. So it eventually becomes clear that Landon is going to win the Republican nomination. And so Liz has no choice but to try and help his campaign, right? So she's like, okay, I wanted to stop him. He's going to be it. So I have to coax him into seeming competent. This was going to prove to be very difficult for her because she doesn't know Alf Landon and her incendiary speeches and columns about what Landon should do have the effect of just making him seem worse, right? Mm-hmm. She's trying to help the campaign, but all she does is attack him. And it just makes him, it just eats away at his support base even more. The dillings even named their dog who they find stupid and annoying Landon. And that fact tells you a lot that like, but they named their dog after a guy they hate. And also they hate their dog, like they hate their dog. You don't have to have it. You know that, right? Like if you hate the dog, you don't need, that doesn't need to be your dog. Yeah. You don't have to mock your dog. Yeah. This is confusing. This is confusing. Weird. I don't understand your choices. Yeah. Uh. But again, it was Landon or FDR. So Elizabeth and her husband set to work finding a way to save him from the Jewish people. They believed we're secretly running his campaign. It was one of their, it was like, well, Landon's not a great candidate, but all these Jews are running his campaign. That's really hurting him. It's like, uh-huh. No, man. Al-alfland and like Barack Obama himself could have like injected Al-Flandon with a raw essence of his charisma. And the sheer weight of Landon's anti-corisma would have drowned out the Obama's cells. I don't, you know what I'm, I'm getting at, right? There's no hope for this man. No one could have made Al-Flandon a president that was simply not possible until Hubert Humphrey. There was never a weaker fucking candidate for the presidency. Um, yeah. So Albert, her husband, this is Dylan's husband, gets a job with Al-Flandon's campaign, headquarters in Chicago because again, they know that well, we don't have any connections to Landon. So if we're going to convince him that we know how he's got a win, we need to get you Albert. You're, your foot in the door in the, uh, the Chicago campaign office and land or Albert does get a job for the Landon campaign. But as soon as he starts work on the first day, he realizes something terrible, both of his bosses are Jewish men. Oh, I think that's got to work for this guy. Here's Die. She could describe what happened next. Elizabeth was convinced that only overconfident executives supported Landon. Elizabeth made this assumption after she and Albert died with six executives who claimed they did not need to campaign because Landon would win easily. She complained that neither Landon nor Roosevelt discussed the real issue, which was Mark's versus Washington. After Roosevelt wanted Landon carried only two states, Dylan Solis was to say, I told you so to the industrialists who had predicted Landon would win. They got what they deserved. She said, two states, my god, have some fucking self-respect out. Honestly, if you had any self-respect, the thing to do would be to like watch one Roosevelt speech, like one of his fucking fireside chats and be like, no, I don't got this juice. I simply don't have the juice to take this man out. Like, I'm out of Landon. No one can blame me for realizing this is beyond my abilities. My name is Outland. I'm literally named Outland and you want me to go up against this guy? He doesn't have legs and he's kicking my ass like my god. He can run circles around me. Yeah. Yeah. There's a degree of sympathy you have to have for like, oh, you thought you could beat FDR in 1936, you, you, so Dylan got out of the 36 election with at least more grace than her idol. Father Cofflin. Cofflin had made the mistake of backing a third party, the union party. This was an extension of an organization that he had formed earlier that year, the National Union for Social Justice. And just by the way, if you want to think about like what a shit show it was, when when Biden dropped out. out at like the last possible minute and the Democratic party had to line up behind a single candidate with just a couple of months before the election. Caflin tries to do that, but with starting a new party in the last year of the election. He's overestimating his own influence here. He is. And again, because Caflin, Dylan loves him, but he's not the same ideologically as her. He is a fascist, but he's not a pro-capitalist fascist. There are pro-capitalist fascists, and there are anti-capitalist fascists. Yeah. And in fact, part of what the night of Long Nives was one thing that happened in the night of Long Nives in Nazi Germany is that they got rid of the anti-capitalist fascists. Right. But in this day and age. What was the name of this thing? The union of social justice? So national union for social justice, and he loves the terms of justice. Not in line with her. It isn't, it isn't, it's social justice number one. It means a very different thing to Catholicism in this time than it does when people use the term today. People use social justice today. Do not think of it in a religious social justice is a Catholic term in this time, in period. It very much is considered one. It's something that church cares a lot about, right? And it cares about from its standpoint, I'm not saying it should be the Catholic church in the thirties. It's woken of mind. Gotcha. You know what? Yeah. This is a good clarification for me. Yeah. Yeah. But Father Caflin's union party is anti-capitalist to anti-minopalist, right? Because. Okay. The most, the big populist interest at the time is like trust-busting in the U.S. If you are populist, you have to be anti-minopoli, kind of regardless of whether you come down. That's just the way things work in America at this point in time. So again, the fact, the fact this might sound like Caflin is somewhat on the left, he's not at all. That's, he's just kind of going for the big populist interest at the time, which includes a lot of trust-busting. And Caflin does add a shitload of anti-semitism in the mix, which makes it clear that he is still just warming up a chunk of Nazi politics, right? It's just a slightly different chunk than the one dealing finds appealing. And obviously, added in this mix, he also puts a lot of hatred of the New Deal, per an article in the Bentley Historical Library of the University of Michigan, quote, "The National Union for Social Justice teamed up with Francis Townsend, an activist and Gerald L.K. Smith, an organizer and white supremacist to form the Union Party. The expressed goal of the Union Party was to unseat Roosevelt in the 1936 presidential election. They put forward their own candidate, William Limke, hoping Limke could draw enough votes away from Roosevelt to allow Alfland and the Republican candidate to win." So again, they're both trying to get Landon to win both her and, like, Dilling and Caflin, but they're doing it in very different ways. Dilling is trying to support the Republican Party, the traditional way, Caflin is trying to sabotage FDR's campaign by drawing votes away from Roosevelt so that Landon wins. That's what his hope for a third party is, right? Now, the problem is that Caflin also, not only does he attach his name to this attempt, he makes a public promise that if the Union Party doesn't get 9 million votes and November, he will retire from public life. If I can't bring 9 million votes to Livke and November, I'll get off the air. You'll never hear from Father Caflin again. Now, had Father Caflin moved 9 million votes, that would have been 20% of the total votes cast in 1936, which is a hell, no one's ever had that kind of popularity. Fucking Joe Rogan could never have claimed 20% of the electorate moved because of his fucking actions. Father Caflin is not even coming close to this, right? He fumbles historically, the Union Party can't even get a million votes. Very funny. Now, because he promised, Father Caflin does briefly quit his radio show, although he comes back like two months later, something like that. Never said I'd go away forever. Well, he says, I said I'd go away forever and I was going to, but then a friend of mine, who just died on his deathbed, his last wish was that I start being on the radio again. What could I do? I'm not going to say no to my friend's dying wish, right? Robert, so again, it's everything. Katie and Robert, I promise my dying wish will not be that you do more podcasts. But no, Sophie's dying wish was that I get $11 million to spend on heroin, you know? She always said, I hope Robert gets $11 million for heroin, but I did say, I always did. I always specified heroin, $11 million for Robert's joy of choice. Yeah. Okay. I know. It's very generous of you and your death. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Anyway, heroin. It's good for it. It's not. But it is time for that. I mean, it's better than today's perfect timing. Perfect timing. So, please, kids are doing fucking heroin. It's basically a zimbit compared to that shit. Anyway, here's that. And the argument is, do you want to win if you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests and they complained about the very thing they were seeing. It's wrong. But the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men. I went off. Y'all gonna scream at Chanel, but you don't want to see a black luxury company in the same bag. 12 seats. You don't wait until 2030, you better be hitting the ground going hard in the south now. And download Roland Martin unfiltered on the iHot Radio app Apple Podcast. Or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. Probably shouldn't be comparing heroin to a zimbit. We still want to get that sweet, sweet, ozimbit money. Ozimbit. I don't know much about whether or not it's good for you, actually. So I feel weird about advertising. So we've staying neutral around here. Seems like we need more longitudinal data before I'm going to be doing that. I thought sometimes it's like, I'm not against it. I'm not against drugs that help people, I'm against advertising drugs that I can't vouch for. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Like dick pills are one thing I just worry about like encouraging everyone to take that shit when we don't know enough about it yet. We also like don't do hair loss drugs ads because we know that shit doesn't work. No, no, I think it does now is the weird like I don't I didn't want to do hair loss ads because like when I was a kid Alex Joe, like that was always the thing that meant something was shady. But I think like the at there are actual hair loss solutions now that are bullshit. But I'm not super knowledgeable about that world. As you can tell by my head of hair, like what's that like my monoxidil or whatever. Minoxidil. Yeah, I think it is real, right? Like they're real stuff. It's real. It can be. Yeah. Anyway, whatever. Do whatever you want your gender affirming care is your gender affirming care. Just look at that. That's what a baldness care is for men just don't play me. Yeah. That's what testosterone supplements are for, you know, like fucking RFK junior who wants to stay swollen as 60s, even though he can't fucking do a proper bench press. My God, man. Like Jesus. Uh, sorry. An embarrassment. No, but it's a mess. It's a mess. That's a fun tangent. Yeah. So Father Coffin quits his radio show and he's like, oh, my friends dying wish was that I would be racist on the radio one last time. Uh, so he goes back, but Coffin can't go back to the simple life of a radio priest who made anti-Semitic propaganda anymore. He's got the politics bug now and he can't quit. So he starts complaining on the air that the Vatican has been infiltrated by communist agents. Now, here's the thing. I'm not an expert on Catholicism, but my understanding of the way it works is that if you are a Catholic priest, the pope is your boss. And like any employment situation, you're not supposed to just like get out in front of the media and say, my boss is being manipulated by communist secretly. Your boss might get pissed at you because you're not supposed to be talking shit like that. You're a subordinate to the, to the Pope, right? And to these other, anyway, Father Coffin is getting out of pocket and he's, he's pissing off the rest of the Catholic hierarchy and he is accountable to that hierarchy. He's not a free agent, no Catholic priest is if they want to continue being a Catholic priest. It's kind of an important fact about how can I follow him? So this sparks a chain of events that leads to Father Coffin having his operating permit revoked and being taken off the air for another few months. And when he's taken off the air for the second time, Elizabeth Dilling feels his loss keenly. She was convinced that her fave had only suffered so because communist agents had infiltrated the United States. She formed the patriotic research bureau, an organization dedicated to clearing Father Coffin's name. She was its only member and put out a monthly bulletin to her mailing list as always. Of course. As a listed in donation. No, I mean, she has a lot of readers. She's only like. Okay. Her mailing list. Yeah. And she solicits donations because she's got all these like anyone who's ever been interested in her shit. She has their address and she'll just mail them shit. And if they want to send her money, they'll send money back and that's kind of what keeps her going. It's a proto-patriot type thing, right? I was going to say a little Patreon. Exactly. Dilling herself was very open about the small donations that kept her in business. And when you read her description of the things that fans sent her, it does sound weirdly like a modern like right wing crowdfunding kind of deal. Quote. One woman who's in, and this is Liz talking, one woman who's income was $40 a month and he was going blind, sold $100 bond for $77 and since $75 to Dilling. An elderly man who worked as a cement mixer, sent her $100 and left everything he owned to dealing in his will, right? This is kind of how she should be-- - She's a shame diverse thoughts. out what people are saying, right? 'Cause she, this is partly advertising, exactly what you're saying, sorry. Yeah. - No, no, sorry. - Yeah. - She's interjecting to you. - This is shameful. The reason she's saying it this way is that like, so if you're sick and going blind and only have a little bit of money, you should send it to me. 'Cause, you know, you care about this country, right? Give me everything you've got, you know? It is very much like that. Give till it hurts evangelical impulse. - Yeah. Cleans your soul by giving me all your money. - That's right, that's right. - So yeah, she urged her Catholic followers, one of the other things I find funny. So she's not just soliciting for donations in a really modern crowdfunding way. She's attempting to like, weaponize and turn her audience into a tool for her activism in a very modern way. She starts urging her readers who are Catholics to send letters to the Vatican to flood the Vatican with letters and a number of them do. 'Cause she prints a form letter with like her monthly issue of the bulletin that they can just fill out and send to the Vatican. This form letter read, quote, "Holy Father, we plead for our Father Coflin. Have him continue his radio broadcast in the same heartfelt way, not in censored platitudes, which defeat the dignity God bestowed on man. But as an alter-Christus, fearless and outspoken, going about doing his father's business, spreading the doctrine of the mystical body, a brotherhood of man with a fatherhood in God to confute the atheistic Communism and other Godless Hisms, to continue to espouse the cause of the poor for the rich have ample means. "Holy Father, many of us were tricked by artful propaganda, but now we humbly ask your holiness to give us back our Father Coflin, as he should be, free and unrestrained in preaching the doctrine of Christ to the poor and to all who will listen." So that's the form letter she puts together for these people. And today, I don't think the Vatican would respond to a handful of form letters being sent from some American cranks, but this was the late 30s. The idea that American Catholics could write letters and have them reliably reach the Vatican in just a couple of weeks, that's a pretty new idea. In the 1930s, Brandon people have not been able to just send a letter to the Vatican for a very long time. That's a really new concept. And the church has zero experience, dealing with a fan-rightened campaign. No one really has experience with fan-rightened campaigns. And that's what this amounted to. If you wanted to avoid Star Trek as a thing, it's because they organized after Star Trek got canceled, the original series, one of the first fan-rightened campaigns and technically there had been some things like that before. But it hadn't really ever happened before. And so for the first time with your studio suit, see like fan-sending and letters about a show are like, wait a second, is there money in this, you know? - Right. - It's a similar thing here. Where the Vatican is like, whoa, this must really mean a lot of people are pissed off at what we did. If four or five letters have showed up in the Vatican, - If there are five letters showed up-- - I don't know how many show up exactly. - And what represent every amount? - Right, seems like a lot back then, 'cause the church has no experience dealing with this sort of shit. So the Pope folds or at least someone in the Vatican folds. And by December of 1937, it was okayed for Father Coffland to take to the airwaves again in January of 1938. Everyone was thrilled when he returned. And in short order, he forms a fascist club called The Christian Front, which kind of sounds like a militia in that it describes itself, like Father Coffland described it as a literal crusade against anti-Christian elements and American culture. Now-- - Is it not a militia? Did somebody know about that? - I can't, yeah, this kind of was. - I think okay. - He was on the edge of trying to frame it as a militia, sure. But he has to kind of pull back on this, because not long after he introduces the Christian Front in 1938, Kristallnacht happens. Like the Nazis do Kristallnacht in Germany, and there's mobs, burning synagogues, breaking Jewish buildings, tearing, murdering people in the street, all sorts of horrific shit. And the world's conscience is shocked. This is widely reported on in people are horrified. And part because folks like Elizabeth Dilling have been saying there's no racism in Nazi Germany. They're just having to defend themselves periodically against the violence of the Jews, but it's entirely defensive. And this Kristallnacht makes it impossible to continue that lie, right? Afterwards, the owner of Coffland's main station demanded to take an early look at the script for his next broadcast, like the day after Kristallnacht. This guy's like, we need to look at what he's gonna put out. - Before we let that hit the air. - Probably smart. - And sure enough, he finds the script filled with angry and insane allegations against the Jewish people, and he demanded changes. Father Coffland did alter the script, but in his final broadcast, he still claimed that Kristallnacht hadn't been anyone's fault, really, or at least it hadn't been any Christian's fault. And so it wasn't something any Americans should concern themselves over. His attitude was more like, this was just a natural reaction in part of because of all the bad things the Jews have done, but to whatever you could blame maybe the government of Germany forward has nothing to do with Christianity, and it's nothing American should be concerned by, and you shouldn't feel bad for these Jews, really. That's kind of his attitude. He's a massive piece of shit. He's one of the worst people who ever lived. Now, this makes a lot of people very angry, but not Liz Dilling. She fucking loves Father Coffland. However, she soon had to devote her time to less enjoyable things. The 1940 elections were coming up, and once again, Dilling intended to do her part to replace FDR with a proper nationalist. The fact that another World War was obviously coming, made the concern even more immediate. Elizabeth couldn't bear to see the United States oppose Nazi Germany. In 1938, she actually visited Germany, attending the Nuremberg rally that year, and loving it. She goes to a fucking Nuremberg rally. - See, Liz Dilling, oh yeah. - Oh yeah, she could not be just the naziest Nazi, whoever Nazi this late. - Jesus. - It's very funny. One of my favorite things, 'cause Liz Dilling, her writing is still somewhat popular among the far right today. In fact, in like 2011 or so, fucking Glenn Beck quoted her on his show, and tried to get people to read. I think it was the Red Network. So she periodically comes back up, but you can find her writing on like, outright neo-Nazi websites. And I've read some articles from actual modern Nazis, who will criticize her by being like, she didn't actually know anything about national socialist ideology. Like she was not knowledgeable about the tenets of national socialism. And they're right about this. Like Liz, I know more about Nazism than Liz Dilling ever did, right? Like she is not well read about what the Nazis believe, because all that matters to her is that they hate the Jews and the communists, right? Like that's what really matters about Nazism, you know? So Liz was never a Nazi in the sense that she actually understood a lot of what Hitler wanted, but she was a Nazi in the more important sense that she understood all that Hitler really needed her to understand about him, which is, you know, these people hate Jews and communists, right? You know, that's it. After World War II started in 1939, agents of the German state in the US tried to use Liz as a voice, and she was invited to speak at the German-American Boond gatherings that year. While she extowed the virtues of the Germany that she had briefly seen, as the next presidential election wound closer, Liz again, readyed herself for feverish activity. Unfortunately, there were again no Republicans her met with her approval. Thomas Dewey had prosecuted the leader of the German-American Boond, and Robert A. Taft had worked for the AFL as a lawyer, Arthur Vandenberg, a conservative Michigan Senator, Dilling otherwise liked, backed the hated New Deal. Bereft of Hope, Elizabeth Pinden Essay, about her breathless desire for a presidential man on a white horse. This is like one of the very first, and you'll see bits of this today, like American conservatives yearning for like an American Pinochet or an American Caesar, Elizabeth's the first person to really write this out in a very direct way, where she says, "God, all we need is our own sexy, charismatic fascist, "only we had a Hitler." That's really, she's the first right-winger in America to write it if only we had a Hitler piece. And I'm gonna quote from Dye's thesis here. She proclaimed in her essay that there had to be a better candidate out there who could defeat Roosevelt. Elizabeth encouraged the Democratic nominee to step forward and let it be known that he could end communism single-handedly. The public enjoyed her so much that they felt encouraged to take up arms and look for a better presidential candidate. Eventually, Elizabeth came to terms that she did in the 1936 election that she must support the candidate who opposed Roosevelt without any type of enthusiasm. Dilling supported Windall L. Wilkie for president. And this doesn't work. The situation is about as dire as it can be for Liz. Democracy's hanging in the ballots. And so Elizabeth knows what she has to do. The only thing that could possibly defeat FDR's political machine and save the United States. She has to write a book so racist she can only publish it under a pseudonym. It's the only way to win. It's the only way to save America. Something so nice is that I can't put it out under my own name. - I know how to say this. I can't put it out under my own name. I've got to hunker down and write a book so racist that in 1940, I don't feel safe putting my name as a white woman on it. - Beautiful, perfect, no notes. Also, the self-hatred in that as well of people will take it more seriously under some other name, probably. I'm assuming she chose a man's name. - Wow, yes, yes. - Did I choose, yeah, okay, I'm assuming correctly. - Yeah. - So the octopus was built as an expo-zay of the shadowy network of influence behind the new deal in Roosevelt. Now, when you hear octopus in the title of something written by an anti-Semite, anyone who knows they're Nazi political cartoons, thinks of this image, so he's gonna put it on screen right now. There's a few versions of this political cartoon, but these are all political cartoons from Nazi Germany that feature usually like a globe and then an octopus that's like reaching its tentacles out over the world and there's like a star of David on the octopus's head or over the octopus octopus like has a face that's like a caricature of a Jewish man sometimes. There's a few variants of this you'll see, right? But it's like octopus, an octopus meant to sort of represent the, uh, the extensive Jewish conspiracy, right? Yeah. So Dylan's book, The Octopus, was in fact so racist that the, the fake name she picked, she can't just go with even a normal fake name. She has to make it the fake name of a religious leader so that maybe people won't find it as racist. So her pseudonym is the Reverend Frank Woodruff Johnson. Okay. Yeah. That'll make people ignore the racist. That'll do a friend. Frank Woodruff Johnson, um, as I explained, quote, when people wrote to Dylan with questions about the Jewish faith, she often referred them to Johnson's fine book. The Jews can never prove that I'm anti-Semitic, she said, I'm too clever for them. I think, I think I think I might be able to prove your anti-Semitic. That sentence, for example, does a good job alone, does it? Yeah. Yeah. That really, that's really all I gotta do. Yeah. That's the Bechtelcats for anti-Semitism right there. Bechtel, uh, test. Yeah. Uh, Dylan arranged for Hudson, a Jew-baiting pamphleteer in Omaha, Nebraska, to distribute her book. For an idea of how bad the book was, I'm just going to read you one brief snippet from the text. Did Americans get a truthful impression from the press about the communist, socialist anarchist, church burning, Spanish government strongly favored by Jewry? This is her part of her talking about like, during the Spanish Civil War, how like the list, like anarchists and kind of left wing elements would like light Catholic churches on fire. Because in part, they were also opposing the Catholic church, was backing the Francoist regime. Yeah. And she's divorcing all of that from its historical context and just saying, the Jews did it. The Jews did it. The Jews burnt all the churches. Yeah. Um, and also just that like, the church burning is favored by Jewry. We took a poll and they all love it. Um, in a shock turn of events, the octopus was not a bestseller and did not impact the election in any way. The United States entered World War II, no matter how much Father Cofflin and Liz Dilling shouted that it shouldn't. Liz was also an active member of the America First Committee and helped to found the mother's movement, which was a protest campaign that was like a last minute attempt to try to shame America into not entering the war against the Nazis. And here's how Lily and Greenwald describes the mother's movement that, that, uh, this is like kind of her last big hurrah at trying to create a political movement. Here's how Lily and Greenwald describes the protests that they took part in in 1941. This was for an article on fascism in America. Under Miss Dilling's guidance, the mother's promptly went on a rampage. While Congress was considering matters of grave importance to our national destiny, they were exploiting all the techniques of mass pressure with a few womanly frills of their own. They deluged congressmen with pleas, threats, implications and conjulery by way of letters, telegrams, petitions and personal visits. Alternatively, as it suited their purpose, they dabbed gentily at their eyes, with delicate white handkerchiefs, or howled lustily in burlust heartbreak. In August of 1940, more than 100 Detroit and Cleveland mothers descended on Washington, were in a Roman holiday spirit they hanged Senator Claude Pepper in effergy. Later, swathed in funeral garments, they established a death watch over the Senate while it debated the conscription bill. The mothers were excluded from the Senate gallery, but allowed to use the Senate reception hall. Their major coup was the mother's crusade against 1776, a demonstration which sought to prevent the passage of the Lin-Lee spill in February to March 1941, marshaled by Miss Dilling with Charles B. Hudson, editor of the rabbit antisemitic dope sheet, America in danger, stage managing behind the scenes, about 500 embattled mothers stormed the halls of Congress. That's a lot of histrionics and theatrical. No one can critique a mother for being concerned about their sons dying and using that to, like, you're not concerned about people dying, you're concerned about people stopping Hitler. That's what this is about. You don't actually care about their son's fighting a war at all. You just don't want to intervene. There's a beautiful moment. You can tell how much this pisses people off. Senator Carter Glass, who's like a southern senator, and is like this very much like a southern hospital, a polar test kind of you're never supposed to be like rude, especially to women in public. He gets asked about these protests and he's like, I believe it would be potent to inquire whether they are mothers. I don't believe these are moms. Let's check it out. Great quote. Once the US entered World War Two, Dillon continued to speak out against it to crying, rationing, and blaming the Jews for everything. She was ultimately charged under the Smith Act for sedition in July of 1942. This was part of the unfortunately short-lived Brown scare in which the federal government briefly turned its efforts to finding and prosecuting fascist sympathizers. The resulting trial, USV-win rod included 26 defendants and dealing lost top billing to another fascist we've discussed on this show. She denied trying to incite a mutiny in the armed forces by distributing fascist propaganda. In 1944, the case expanded to charging the defendants for their involvement in a worldwide Nazi movement. The charges were dismissed in 1946 because the evidence that they'd actually violated US law was pretty weak. Unfortunately, the long-term effect of the Brown scare was per Christine Erickson to give a government stamp of approval for targeting unpopular dissidents who agreed to disagree with the political status quo, thereby helping to set the stage from the Karthi witch hunt, and that they did. The Brown scare, it doesn't amount to much. The red scare uses the brown scare, some of the precedent had set to go after the opposite kind of people. Elizabeth Dilling's work was cited during the red scare by Joseph McCarthy repeatedly, and in the post-war period, she predictably became a vociferous Holocaust denier. Not super shocking, right? Not shocking at all. Good stuff. Oh, God, everything's so depressing. It's again, how little things change, all of the things get predictable. I've heard that before. A Holocaust denier, okay. A Holocaust denier, yeah, she gets into that growth industry. I certainly understand at this point in time how, actually, I don't really understand how people can be Holocaust deniers. I don't, but I understand that they are at this point. It's convenient. However, it's convenient. Immediately after the Holocaust, how does Holocaust denial land with people? Not good. It's convenient. It's easy. Yeah, it's convenient. It's easy. Yeah, most of her life is not that interesting after this point. She does write a book even more racist than the octopus, which you can still find in Nazi bookstores and telegram channels to this day. Is it called even more racist than the octopus? Yeah, even more racist than the octopus. Racist and even more racist. Her two books. One of her favorite conspiracy theories later in life is that Eisenhower, Dwight Eisenhower, was a secret Jew. He's hiding it. Okay. He's giving it in. Oh, the Jews. She also include JFK's new frontier of being the Jew frontier. So, you know, great, real creative at the end of her life. She seriously would heal on Twitter these days. Yeah. By the end of her days, Liz couldn't even support Barry Goldwater because his running mate had been a prosecutor at Nuremberg. She's too much of a fascist for Barry Goldwater. Wow. You know what's cool, though? Hateful person. Do you guys know what's really cool, though? She's dead. She is dead. She dies in 30th 1966 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Yep. Hope it hurt. Yeah. Fingers crossed. Geez. Yep. Liz, I just flipped my pencil. I know. I saw Katie getting angry and angry. Yeah. It's frustrating, but she is dead. So there is that. But it does feel like her spirit lives on in far too many people. Yep. And it is depressing always. Yep. Yep. Yep. To see how little it's changed. Eat the attacks, the phrasing of the attacks, the lies. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's cool. I love it. Well, Katie, where can people find you online? Thank you for asking. You can find me over at some more news. 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