Parenting Woes | "I've Got This" (510)

on today's episode of that was us we're diving into season five episode ten I've got this as life with newborns sets in the Pearson's confront pride money and the pressure to hold it all together Kevin wrestles with what it means to provide Kate and Toby face hard truths and Randall and Beth manage the growing pains of a full house hello hello hello here we are here we are we're officially on the back half or yeah this happened well this season was only 16 episodes right so we've been on the back half for a second yeah I dig it there's a lot going on there's a this is the tension there's a lot of things what's foremost in my mind right now is the dinner between the Kate and Kevin and Toby and Madison yeah and how that whole thing plays out there's a lot of stuff else that happens but like there is a musculature to to bias that I think we haven't seen um maybe up to this point or maybe just fleetingly but like just the pressure that men put on themselves that society places on them to be provider and just sort of like two different providers with very different perspectives on what it means to do so uh it's intense yeah it's intense I don't want to jump around because we'll get to it when we get to it so you guys tell me where we're going to start with this joint where should we start I mean it kind of the episode starts with sort of a montage right of like giving babies beds and changing them yeah feeding them I mean it's like it's Kevin and Madison it's Toby and Kate it's Jack and Rebecca and all sort of with uh this beautiful song called How Lucky Can One Man Get right it's like Kurt Bial featuring John Pryne another John Pryne song yeah do we have John Pryne yeah that's his favorite okay okay I guess we can kind of start with I mean because the Kevin and Madison and Toby and Kate storyline sort of in their interwoven yeah yeah yeah I guess with Kevin and Madison uh there is this I Kevin comes in and has a dress for Madison right yeah and it's like it's we should like we should get dressed up and maybe invite Toby and Kate over for dinner like be adults yeah we'll have our nanny kind of like help take care of all of the kids and we can put them down and she can sort of watch them while we come out and have like you know half a glass of wine and I can pump and have a half glass of wine yeah pump and have a half a glass of wine she's very into this idea the the kind of overarching theme amongst all the storylines is this like what life was like once we figured out the pandemic a little bit like like over in Randall and Beth's house they all the girls are home because it's the thing right but also mom can come visit mama see is there yeah hovering over things Kate uh uh and and and Toby you see Toby on some kind of zoom calls zoom interview like so that's trying to find a job yeah and it's all of this kind of like what was life like when we were all still trapped yeah but the bubbles were we're growing yeah yeah that makes sense so do we want to start at who's house do we want to start well we can start with Kevin and Madison and the fact that like yes they wanted they wanted they wanted they agreed to have the dinner with Toby and Kate and um gosh I'm trying to see where they converge exactly I don't have to go back and forth between the two a little bit right kind of because Kate and Toby um we see Kate she's coming out of uh I believe this this is the first time that we've seen her at this school for the blinds this musical this music school for the blind they say something about like we've missed you yeah exactly it's it's strange because I'm like wait where are we what is it cut is it like because she says in the in the last episode yeah uh that that the school needs a teacher's assistant yeah I just don't I'm just wrapping my brain like have we seen her there before I think so because earlier in the season didn't you guys go together or you were resistant to go was that the another thing that's another thing I don't think there's a music class I don't know maybe hot take none of this makes sense maybe none of it makes sense I know more about the music school once Kate is teaching there like Rebecca goes and visits and stuff but this is the first that I remember of it like oh okay so she's coming out of class and a teacher's like we've missed you volunteering and Kate's like I know I'm so sorry it's really hard at home like yeah having a new baby is just like it's hard to sort of like split my time up we just kind of jumped her in there so we could set it up for later I believe so yeah I was like oh okay I guess they're going to this school for Jack because he loves music yeah it looks there and nobody knows where their dog is yeah great is that did the dog just want to win yep during the pandemic audio gone he was put up for no explanation everybody else got a dog yeah he's got to spin off his audio and Williams cat running running around somewhere running around town yeah like there is we do get a sense of we we found out that Toby lost his job at the end of the last episode yeah and so he's doing zoom interviews yeah my man like a champ has got his baby off to his side he's got a an iron hooked up to the stroller or to the to the baby chair yeah also rocking the baby at the same time he is enough and a in a um I guess uh like a suit half of his suit up top nothing on the bottom suit and tie but he's he's he's poo bear in it yeah yeah it's gonna say porky pig right yeah but so like all top no bottoms yeah he's got like jacket yeah jacket tie and poor guy has like a whole backdrop behind him that just like like crap yeah this was masterful too so it's like so it's so that happened you know I'm saying it's like I can't do anything about it but it all fell apart and it just sort of like elites like let's get real I've done about 30 of these things nothing's panned out do I have a shot at this or should I just like get off the zoom and put on my pants yeah I was like you're I number one candidate yeah you're like very charm so we'll get back we're feeling good about yeah Toby's Toby's feeling really good I think the other thing too is like he didn't want to tell anybody that he lost his job yeah until he had something else lined up right fair enough there's I want to see one of my favorite I just I would like to toot my own horns for a quick second yeah it's completely inconsequential but at the end at the end of this Toby celebrates by swinging the golf club like a baseball bat so I don't know if you call that yeah that was that I just found that really funny I like it so too too they're in the car on their way to Kevin and Madison's house he's nervous about the new job but he's feeling good yeah good vibes were sort of shared he's be he I think you've like reached out like sent another email right or something but don't tell Kevin yeah don't tell him I lost a job I don't want to say anything until I have a new job lined up he's yeah all of that aside they get it to Madison and Kevin's house yeah and he gets this email that he didn't get the job he sort of like slightly gets the email on his phone and he keeps it to himself himself compartmentalizes there's also just like this really interesting contrast going on in terms of like Kevin's got a butt ton of gifts he's getting gifts from Glenn close he's getting gifts for them I was like Glenn you got fire please okay yeah he's got step up your gifts game yeah Tiffany's has silver spoons please he's got and then but like the what P.S. the resistance is the the couple of co-heavans that he got from Leonardo de caprio's manager yeah and he's like yeah let's let's go ahead and do these co-heavans right and and it's interesting because Kevin it's an interesting thing because I think when you're at a certain place in life you get a chance to dream and when you're not in that place dreams are hard to like conceive of you have to survive and so you're dealing with a couple that is in survival right because of that loss of job that has just happened in the unknown future and unknown future versus someone who's in a very comfortable place and is and is really just sort of like wondering like what is it all gonna look like and like innocently but not even mainly but innocent yeah there's no ego about none at all what so and in fact there is this really generous beautiful side of Kevin that's just sort of like I want to share my dreams with everybody yeah like my dreams are about everybody because my family is my sister and my brother-in-law and my brother like he really it's an interesting sort of turn in this episode to go oh your family tree is really about the family that you've created like that is where your allegiance sort of stands and so that's a very perceptible has to be a conscious decision and choice and shift for Kevin because his entire life has been about like he says later in the episode Which we'll get to just like I thought my whole family like was gonna be about my mom and my dad my brother and sister forever Like we were all gonna live each with each other forever And in fact he verbalizes this with Toby in this episode about you know, they're outside smoking these cigars Toby is noticeably in a very different headspace than Kevin and Kevin's just sort of waxing on about like Buying a compound in Malibu, and they could all live there together and he's dreaming about it He's kind of like you know checking out Zillow and by the way like I'm gonna just do here's a tutu for you like the face that you give throughout it all of it It's just like oh man, you're not reading the room at all at all. Yeah, like How lucky it is for you to be able to just like think about buying a Compound like I think he used compound was the word. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and he's like all right. Let me smoke this cigar by the way You haven't smoke a cigar. No You have yes or no. Oh, yeah, I'm not great at it. So guys will get you Fucked up. Yeah, like because you're not supposed to inhale. Oh, yeah, but in inadvertently like a little bit I got sick and I think I did it once when I was like 19 20 and then I was like I think I'm good with the guys Well, you still do us a guy. No, no, no Rachel's allergic to them. So I even if I enjoy it I do not like the smell. I just like to for a while, and I was like not all the time Like celebratory something, but he too got sick. Sorry, but I did Like maybe no more for you as a young man as a younger man. I Was offered a Variety of props for a scene in the Nick. Yeah, it was an underground boxing. Oh, you did have a cigar in that I had Five cigars before 9 a.m Because I said he's gonna be smoking a cigar and it's underground boxing then he's coaching this guy and he's all sweaty and Smoky and and I just you know, it's one of those lessons. Yeah, I was acting lessons. Yes, you know if you guys smoke your teeth If you're gonna smoke a cigar. Yeah, you're gonna be smoking a lot of cigars. How did you feel? Oh, I was green I was green Okay, that was yeah, yeah, I won't ever do it. I was in I think I almost learned a similar lesson during this during this dinner when they Provided sushi Did you kill the sushi? Did you go to party? Yes You partuck. Come on. Was it good sushi? It was good. So it was really good sushi. Yeah, which is the problem if they had like gone Low like no, but it was like I'm not kidding. I think it was like I Don't want to say it was from like not no more, but Sushi no boo like no boo you think I think it might have actually been no Very yeah, and so I was like well, then I'm eating this. Let me tell you one of my favorite things our prop master Rick Because we had a couple of people but Rick in particular and this is just Rick work on paradise. Yeah Sweet, but but Justin had this delightfully benign habit of Eating prop food in between takes What he just be true. He just be just relax and pop it up this mouth and Rick Rick would just be standing there Like man, you just don't keep eating the food and can't Justin didn't even pay it any attention. He's like this delicious Just be like okay. I'm gonna have to replace all this. Yeah, but also like how long has I been sitting there? Oh, he didn't care He's got a stomach like iron. I Not to blow up his spot, but have you ever seen anyone eat more candy and he eats done. Yeah, yeah, why the handful a ton That's what it was like he would just pick whatever it was. Yeah, yeah a lot of candy. I mean Like come back with two fistfuls of candy from craft services and put them on put them next to it Just built like an asgardian. Yeah, but I mean but also like nerds and like like candy and Milo and I would reserve it. We would we would have like a look between us when it was like is it time? It's time and we would know that would be like our acknowledgement that it was we both needed a little sugar pick me up And that's when we would go like treat ourselves and get a little candy. That's right. It was very few and far between Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the face that you gave to him during the scene was was very good and appropriate for where you were Yeah, in your journey and essentially telling him I don't think that's Gonna work, right. Yeah, I don't like Malibu Right and and and he's still not reading the room. He's like yeah, yeah, we don't want it to grow up be stoner surfers Like no, that's not what it's not what I was talking about On the other side like there's a beautiful thing that he sort of like Wanting these kids your two kids under two and my two twins were newborns just to like Grow up together family on the west coast like we're off from the east coast You're not from the east coast but like the rest of the piercings and to have family to be able to grow up with your first cousins As someone who grew like first cousins were like brothers and sisters to me. Yeah, cuz like my old Brother and sister are 14 and 12 and a half years older than me. Yeah, but I had other first cousins that were within three years two years of me And then we were like siblings. Yeah, yeah, and I think that's what Kevin has designed for like everyone can Grow up together and he was talking about that like we'll get you guys get like drop your kids off here and we'll like have our Nanny or we'll get a teacher and yeah, Toby's again He's just like you're not reading the room dude like real class divide. Yeah totally. Yeah, totally There's there's a moment. So we're at the dinner table. Yeah, so she comes also real quick backtrack Good didn't didn't we all think that Toby owned that company? I didn't that he worked for at one point and it was like IT solutions or something like he was the boss. There's something like that Or at least he was the I was a high-may was telling people what to do sure at his job And then we got fired. I was like hey wait a minute The company dissolved. Yeah, you were number three and it just wasn't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah at one point in time Madison has to excuse herself from the table because she's lactating and Gets up and going and they're talking about like oh, don't you guys have what's what's the toy the thing that's new? The snoo and he's like well, we actually rented Toby and Kate we rented the first one For our boy and you know, we decided like I just bound some you know, I do my thing like that and he's just like you should have a snoo like we'll fix that right now and It's just what I loved about this scene. Yeah, is that like he has nothing but the best of intention of course He's like I didn't even get a baby gift for Hailey. This is perfect. You're doing me a favor and and and you can see Toby yeah as a man Oh, and like and as a man watching it like I'm like nobody's right or wrong Just everybody is where they are in life and they're in two different places Yeah, one of the most valuable life lessons I have learned. Yeah Is that you are not helping someone unless you are helping them the way they want to be helped? That one period period and of story will said and I've had to learn that the hard way. Yeah And this is what's happening here is that Kevin is assuming a certain level of intimacy right with support as it relates to his sister, right, sure, and it's not being well Disgust or but also Considered in Kevin's slight defense. He also doesn't have all the facts. Correct. Had he known that Toby had just lost his job I'm sure like he would have been a lot more sensitive to yeah Just like, you know Deliriously offering. I mean it is Kevin and he that finds out and then does double down That's true. That's true. That's true. It was cuz how's it come out like you feel as if like you feel like his generosity is evidence That you're like, did you tell him right? Yeah, did you tell him and Kate's like kind of doesn't say anything. Yeah Tell me what and and he essentially accidentally blows up his own Yes, but yeah, you tell you say that you lost your job and things aren't great. What now and he was like But but the good part is he already interviewed for another job and he was just waiting to no, I don't No, I don't know Sorry, so Thanks, everybody. This sushi's great for the The rant if you call it that that you go on is probably Not the kindest thing but also coming from a place of like Dude you got like when you said the thing about the nanny like who does like the real work and everything and you just like drop the baby off What have you? I was like oh boy. Oh, yeah, this shit is is is Harry. Yeah, and even Kevin's like, hey, man You can come after me don't go after Madison She's working so hard and the room doesn't ever really recover. No, no, it doesn't it's just iced out Madison goes to take care of her kids and then Toby here's Hayley crying and now Kate and Kevin are left kind of staring at each other. Yeah, what happens? You guys have to tell me because I can't - Remember? (laughing) - Kate apologizes to Kevin for Toby. - I mean, they essentially have a conversation that is, you know, is-- - What I was alluding to before. - Yeah, kind of sorry, not sorry. Like, like, I'm sorry that he lost his job and I'm sure everything will be fine. - Yeah. - But again, what's mine is yours. - Yeah. - And Kate pushes back a little bit and he says, "No, no, what's mine is ours?" I think is what he says. - Yeah, what's mine is ours is what I have written. - And then Toby comes back out and says it. I think we've got them both in place. A good, we're in a good spot to transfer to the car. And so she goes to get them ready. And then Toby and Kevin have a bit of an apology. He apologizes. - Toby apologizes? - Yeah. - Toby apologizes. - Yeah, okay. - And Kevin says, you know, I've already had a falling out with one brother, I couldn't. I couldn't stand to have it with another. And I feel like a really missed opportunity. Like Toby would have, if he was in better spirits. - Really? Am your brother? - Yeah. - Totally, you know. - If he was in a different headspace, that would have been totally it. - Yeah. - Because there's such a bromance at the beginning. - Yeah. - Like, is there's the manny? Like, you even go back to your brother. - Brother. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Your brother is great. - But he says, no, this isn't an epic Pearson meltdown. This is just a sushi skirmish. Would you guys say that this is the beginning of the dissolution of this union? Or would you say, 'cause like, I mean, we've gone through things before or whatnot, but we get into like this. Would you say like, this losing of this job in terms of like, Kate and Toby? Or is there something else that like, I mean, I know there's season later and the move to San Francisco. I'm jumping ahead a little bit or whatnot and buying a house, which I love to talk about without telling your wife, but I'm saying like, in this moment, I think there is a moment if you were going to backtrack from the dissolution where this is a, this dinner scene is a, who is team or you on? - Yeah. - Are we on a team? Or are you-- - Forever on a team with your brother, yeah. - You even say, so certainly, you say like, we're a family. - Yeah. - You're a regular family and you're a family that is completely out of touch. - Yeah, yeah. - And then when Toby's out of the room, he just says, I need you to promise me that if you ever need anything that you'll tell me. And she says, I will. And that is obviously not a huge betrayal, but it is a moment of like, no, I hear you. I'm on both sides of the fence, correct? - Yeah, you're not wrong. I think they're laying the groundwork for what will eventually come. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Will you wanna talk about black persons real quick? - Yeah. - Well, no, no, she, at the very end Kate talks about how she will have his back forever. And also she got a job at Jack's school. - Right, right. - And they're gonna be okay, like no matter what. They're gonna be okay, but she's like, how about this is something I'm passionate about? This is something I can do. 'Cause she mentions this like during the fight. She mentions she could work like at the sushi dinner. And Toby sort of coupos it like, you know, you could go back to work, but like you wouldn't be making as much money as I've been bringing in. So then there's the laundry and paying for childcare. - Yeah. - But the episode this storyline ends with her being like, I have this job and we're gonna figure it out no matter what. - Yeah. - Which is like, okay, and adequate place. - Is that it? I'm curious for you guys as individuals. I know what society says, et cetera, sir. So if and when you've ever found yourself in a position where your significant other made more money than you, was it an easy thing to deal with? - Yeah, 'cause I was pretty arrogant. (laughing) - You're like, I'm gonna give you a job. (laughing) - But like when Rachel and I first met, I was like a Chicago theater actor. - Right, you know, and she had a corporate sales job. - Sure. - And she made a salary that she knew she was gonna get at the end of every year. And I was Wild West, commercials and voiceover and theater gigs and did fine, did all right. As it proves to this day, we were talking about going through our finances. It's a roller coaster. Some years, it's way up here and other years, the W-2 says $7,500, and it's like, for me, I guess I've always been like, aware that that was gonna be a thing. So there have been times where Rachel makes more money than me and times where I make more money than her. And yeah, it hasn't really been an issue for us, but we have unconventional jobs. - Sure. - No, you have unconventional understandings with the norm of the normal gender roles. - Ma'am, what about you, these gender roles of provision and who makes more, what not? Has that ever been anything that has caused any sort of hiccup? Not necessarily with Taylor, but with any relationship that you've ever had. - It's definitely caused hiccups, I think, in the past, but there was a real sense of awareness, I think, with Taylor, of what was what? And he's never been bothered by it, yeah. Which is great. We do have that unconventional gender norms of who brings home more of, you know, I guess, an income to provide for the family and whatnot in our life, but he does very well. All things considered too in his line of work. And so it's, yeah, we're both, we're very lucky, but I'm also lucky to be with somebody who is, 'cause I don't think it is a comfortable position that every man could assume. - Yeah, I would agree with that. I have never, I haven't been in the position making less. - No, probably a half, 'cause right was a serious regular on Boston Legal for a short period of time or whatnot. And I remember thinking, I was like, I'm so happy for this chick, you know? And I hope she's as happy for me when my time comes. Like, I've always had in my head, I'm like, whenever it's my time, like I look forward to it, like, 'cause this is cool, she gets to work with Shatner and Fader and everything like that. And I was like, man, when my time comes, it's gonna be awesome too. I was just like, hey, pay these bills, baby, let's go. - Yeah, okay, that's the end of that one right there. - Yeah, that is, that is. So maybe we can kind of stay in that world with Jack and Rebecca? - Yeah, where she calls her mom at the end of this episode. - Oh, yes. - Yeah, 'cause there's this kind of understanding of, like, Kate has this realization, 'cause that's part of the conversation that she and Kevin have about, like, we grew up a certain way, but we never realized, we never thought we didn't have anything. - Yeah, mom and dad did such a seamless job of providing for us. And so she does call her mom. Again, this was like a little scene that I did right before I gave birth. I was like, oh, I remember that, like, just squirreled away on a couch and the, on the cabin set. - She just calls to say thank you. - Yeah, thank you. Like, again, I think becoming a parent gives you this newfound perspective for your own parents and the trials and tribulations they may have encountered. And she just has this deeper sense of appreciation for her mom and the childhood that mom and dad provided for them with no help, no support. They did it all with three kids. Like, how did they handle all of that? - And if we want, we could jump into the flashback here and then do the quick jack and Rebecca storyline, because we can Tarantino it a bit, because it flashes back to Rebecca walking into the kitchen and telling Jack, I'm gonna take over our finances. And you kind of see this moment of like the matriarch taking control and being like, no, we can do this together. And I'm gonna, and here's what my responsibility is gonna be and here's how this is gonna work, which is kind of what Kate does too, with like, no, I'm gonna go get this job. - Yeah. - Because I want to. - Yeah, in a way she was calling to thank her mom for I think modeling that for her. Like, you made this all work. And she doesn't share that, but like, now in my own life, I'm kind of doing the same thing. Because in this quick little jack and Rebecca storyline, Jack is angling for a promotion at work. He's going to have this big dinner where she's kind of saying, like, you gotta, you gotta like, you know, push the gas a little bit and like things are really tight with three newborns who eat a lot and poop a lot and-- - Yeah, I get a badgie. - Jack doesn't want to go. He knows that he doesn't fit in with this type of pull. - Yeah, and he's telling us to wear a tie and coat. - Yeah, but Rebecca's like, "Well, you need to figure it out." - He does. - Put on a little show and get this job. - Yeah, get this promotion. So he's at this dinner. Miguel is there. Miguel sort of like insists that he tell this baseball story. Boosting him up, of course. As Miguel always does and Jack tells the story. And of course, like, really wins over the, his bosses at work. They're like, "Wow, here's enough really. "There's another finale." - Shout out to Vince Emilia. - Yeah. - He has like the, the, the deafness with which he starts the story is like, you as an audience, we were like, "I's not gonna go well." - Yeah, this is not comfortable. - He doesn't know what's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying? - The story maybe isn't that good. - Right, and he, it winds up becoming something more. And he actually like, because to his credit, model of Emilia is a great storyteller. - Yes. - Right, and so he starts off like he's not. And then ultimately sort of leans in comes up with something that he knows is going to pull people in, and even Miguel Lixson was like, "Yeah, man." That's what I was talking about. And then they finish off the meal by playing something called credit card roulette. This is just awful. Which is a way to, I've never played it, but it's a sense. How many there? This is a pulling out your penis sort of thing. It's all, but it also seems like a way to avoid having to go through. No, I got, no, I got this, no, no, no, you know what? Maybe there wasn't a splitting it four ways back then or something. It definitely wasn't a splitting it four ways back then. Probably not. I didn't think this, I didn't even realize this. And sweet Miguel jumps in and is like, "Oh, no, no, no. Jack shouldn't have to pay." He can't expense this. He can't expense this. Like you guys. And of course, Jack, no, no, no, I just got a master card. Yeah, I just got a master card. Like he obviously wants to sort of. It was so sweet. And his card looks so thin. And so thin and brand new. Yeah. And they hold up the four cards and the server, of course, pulls Jack's master card and. So he has to go home and explain to Rebecca why he spent $230 at this dinner. Which is so much money. She was like 19 years old. I asked you to get a promotion. I didn't ask you to go and spend $200 like how are we going to make this work? Yeah. Which is essentially where then this phone call from Kate, present day sort of weaves into the storyline. And then you see Rebecca kind of have a bit of an about face and she goes to Jack like, "Can we talk about this now?" And he's like, "Nah, I don't want to do it." And she's like, "No, no, I'm going to be taking over the finances from now on." Like I'm going to run this household. I know what we need. I know what we don't need. So just like let me handle it moving forward. And I think that's sort of what set this family up for working, that somehow Rebecca pulled a little from here and she made everything feel seamless for her family. This is happening in my family. It's the magic of moms and dads. It is like Arlene Brown said, like, "Look, you're good at certain things. I'm good at certain things." She said, "I will do the finances." But this is interesting because they were married for 12 years, a year before I was born almost 11 years before he passed away. And then she said, "After five years," she said, "Okay, I've been doing this this whole time. Now it's your turn." And she said, "I'm going to show you all the bills that we have and what we have to pay at what point in time." And then he did it for the next five years. But it was a really interesting sort of thing because she took the reins first and then said like, "All right." Now it's your turn. So yeah. Very cool. Very cool. So that's how that ran in that storyline. Okay. And so over at Randall and Beth's house, Randall has made himself a nice, cozy little spot out on the porch. He's got what kind of plan? We've never seen the porch before. Is this the first time seeing the porch? I feel like that. Yeah. I mean, we would walk through it all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. Because we got to start to use it more, I think, towards the end. But so Randall's out there with his basil plant. He's out there with a lot of the plants, but the basil is his buddy. Those become his baby. And Beth calls him on and she's like, "Hey, man, I need you to come back in the house." He's like, "Look, I got a little bit of space out here. There's a lot of strong female energy in here. I'm so happy that your mom came to take care of the girls while we went to Louisiana. But like, we've been back for a while and she's still here and I just kind of need little space." And she's like, "Look, you need space." Bro, she following me around, nitpicking every little thing that I do. Guys, I don't know if you've had this. I'm imagining that you had, but like, when the in-laws, or your own mom of death come, and what I'm learning is that the older generation just wants to be useful. Yes. What's the bar that you said about helping people, so? Helping people only the way that they want to be. A lot of mercy. Can we share that with them? Yeah. Yeah. Because that doesn't seem part of their, the whole thing. And they're just going to help because it's like, "Well, clearly, you don't understand how to do these things, and so I'll just do them for you." And it's, oh, so Beth gets Randall to come back into the house. The girls are having like a little argument over what they're going to watch on TV. Somebody wants to watch NCIS because Annie wants to watch NCIS, and they just like, "We ain't watching no NCIS." So they have this argument. I think Tess is talking about her friend Alex. Alex and one in being in contact with Alex, et cetera. And you see Mama C, just walking down, and she's like, "Girls, come on, turn up the TV." Straight up school teacher. We are going to have healthy snacks like popcorn chips, whatever Tess is eating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. Let's go. And you see Randall and Beth. You see Randall just like, "Hey, man, my name is Bennett and I ain't in it." I'm trying to disappear. And Beth is like, "This is what I'm talking about." And oh, God, it's, it's, you feel the tension. Beth had already established because she thought her mom was about to leave that she's going to make a dinner, to end all dinners and show that she is capable of keeping a house and raising children. And I don't need you telling me what to do, right? Mama C, why is it telling us, she's like, "Oh, Randall, I have." She's like, "Hey, Mama C, what time do you train, Lee?" She's like, "You trying to get me out of this house, Randall?" And she's like, "No, no. I would never say that. I just want to make sure you make it on time." Oh, that kind of stuff, right? And she says, "Well, Amtrak has a no return policy and turns out I extended it by a week because clearly you guys need my help." And Beth is like, "Oh, man." So she goes through with this dinner anyway. She's making some Caribbean fare that takes scotch bonnet peppers and what have you. As she's making it, you can see, like Mama C's like, "Don't put too many of that, not everybody can take the heat." And she's like, "I can take the heat, right?" Oh, yeah. There's also a wonderful introduction of pronouns. We talked about pronouns a little bit earlier in this season, but I do remember for myself even the first time that I was introduced to this conversation, which was probably just a few years before we got into it on the show. And really having this idea of like, "Oh, oh, this is new. I didn't know that this was something that was transpiring in the world and I did a deep like YouTube dive, right? Because I was like, this is something that I should be familiar with, right?" And it was really interesting to see our show address it because there's this innocence that Beth has in like someone to her eye who presents as a female, calling her or what not. And, and Tess always being like, "Yo, how many times do I gotta tell you? Alex is a they, not a her." And I want to like, shout out the writers in this whole arc because not everyone who doesn't get on board immediately is trying to be disrespectful. Exactly. Right. Sometimes it just takes it. It's a new concept, yes. It's sort of wrap your brain around for Beth and that's exactly right. But of course, Mama C points out, it's not that hard. It's not that hard. She's like, "I've been in school for a while." Yeah. And Beth is like, "Thank you. Everything is easy for you. I'm sure." Before we get to this dinner, that's going to happen. Malik comes up. Malik comes to the crib. He comes and he has a little conversation with, with Desian. She's like, "What's going on? How are we doing?" He's like, "I need to talk to your dad." He's like, "Okay. Where is he?" And she's like, "Oh, okay. I guess you go." He's like, "You have porch." Yeah. You hear from my dad now. Malik needs some advice. Randall loves. He's like, "Bro, I got all these things in the box. This is my shit." Yes. That's happening. Go. Uh. And he's like, "What's it about? It's a career. It's an academics. It's a women's trouble. It's a daughter. It better not be about no women." He's like, "Actually, it's about my daughter." He's like, "Oh, okay. He's like perked up his ears." He wasn't expecting it. Turns out that Jennifer, who is the birth mother for his daughter, wants to be involved with her life again. Yeah. Right? And he said it was complicated because originally her parents just wanted to put the baby up for adoption. We were going to be sort of on the outside of it. My parents put a squash to that. You might have a unique perspective over what you've gone through in terms of which way to go. He's like, "Look, man, every situation is different. So there's no, like, one thing fits all. But if I had an opportunity to have known my birth parents, I think it would have saved me a lot of time in therapy." Yeah. Right? So he's like, "Okay." I was in it for two episodes. Yeah. For two all episodes. You should have saved me. I went to Louisiana and everything. So now we're at the dinner table and food is looking good. Oh, and she's pulled out all the stuff. Pulled out all the stuff. She's mad at me. She's mad at me. She was hand grinding the spices. Yeah. I just hand grinding the whole thing. And the wedding China is out. Yeah. Yeah. Iron the napkins and everything. You know. And mom, the first thing she says. Do people talk about wedding China? I didn't get any wedding China. I didn't. You did China. We got China. You did China? Well, the bird is old school. So, like, those things, those touches. Yeah. Yeah. Very important to her. Yeah. Great. So, everything's giving Christmas. They come out. I don't know if they-- You think it's still a Southern thing? Like, like-- Maybe. Is it cultural? It might be. China. Because a lot of Southern stuff is a lot of black stuff. You know what I'm saying? So, those two things go to-- Do you guys want to break out China? No. We did growing up, though. You did. We did have, like, fancy China for, like, yeah, for holidays. Holiday plates. Yeah. Only Christmas plates. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think that might be the from her grandmother that got passed down to folks, you know what I'm saying? So it's a big deal. - That's cool. - There is everybody at one point in time in the dinner, pops on their phone. And Mama C says, well, at my school, we're not allowed to have our phones, you know, at the class or, you know, special events. And Beth is like, yeah, right. And that's why we have a new thing here. Everybody put your phone in and they all put their phones in. - Including Randall. - Including, I'm a councilman, you know what I'm saying? But maybe not now, put my phone in there too. And things are going relatively well. Then Malik, you guys let me know if I skipped anything. Malik's phone goes, she's like, can I check that? It might be about my daughter. And then it winds up coming out. - Yeah, you, Malik and you keep making eye contact. - Malik, yeah, yeah. - And Jesus is like, what is going on? - It's just going on. - Yeah, what's going on there? - What's going on. - And then she sees the phone's like, why are you getting so many texts from Jennifer, right? At the same time I think Tess is getting texts from Alex. And then Beth is like, what does she want? Like, yo man, how many times I gotta tell you Ma, Alex is a vape, right? It winds up coming out in the course of this whole thing that like, she's not, they're not just my friend, we're together. And then I think Malik winds up saying that like, Jennifer wants to be a part. And it's just things are falling apart. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Another dinner just like falling apart. - Yeah, yeah. - But Tess also turns to Mama C and says, because Beth is starting to be like, oh, you didn't, I didn't know that you were, I didn't know that. And she's kind of a little flustered 'cause she's been cut off guard. And Tess turns to Mama C and says, see, this is what, this is what I was telling you. This is how I said she would react. - Oh boy. - Inferring that she's talked to Carol. - Her grandma about it, but not her mom. - That would, that would, I can only imagine if Andrew Brown told something to his, his Gigi, that he wouldn't tell to Ryan Michelle, oh, that would be gutting. - Gutting. - Gutting, yeah. Okay, what happens with the rest of the day? - So, you don't remember? Got it. We'll pick it up from here. - She, yes. So Tess admits that she and Alex are a couple. That is sort of in sense that she didn't know. Dacia is upset about Malik and Jennifer and him confiding in Randall. The dinner just sort of falls apart from there. And Beth feels incredibly judged by her mom. Like, things are just not going well. Dacia goes outside, right? And finds Randall, is that what happens? And basically, it's just like, I have to admit, I'm worried about Malik and Jennifer, and them liking each other again. And that this is only gonna lead to them. They like to each other so much that they made a baby. They had a baby together. So what would lead me to not believe that them spending more time together in this capacity would lead them to not end up together again. - Yeah. - And she also says that she feels like Randall and Malik, like, he's taken his side. And he is supposed to be her day one. And he basically is like, forget it. I am always gonna be on team Dacia. Like, no matter what doesn't, right, essentially? - Yeah, and he says, sometimes you're so mature that sometimes I forget that you were a 15 year old girl who's in love for the first time. - Yeah, yeah, it's like it's hard to remember that sometimes. And then it kind of ends with him saying, like, can we go on her Instagram and like, look at pictures of, and you do some funny. You're like Jennifer, like. - Duck, duck, duck left with the filter. - Jennifer, it's so sterling. I love it. I was like cackling, I had to watch it twice. - But meanwhile, Beth is upstairs. She's followed her mom out of the room because mom has said, I'll go pack my bags. - Essentially, 'cause she's just sort of like, you make me flustered when you're here and she kind of loses her shit on her mom. - Yeah, she says, well, then I'll go pack my bags. - And she goes upstairs. - Sure, she's shot on, we have a philosopher shot on her show. - Yeah, it's nuts. - Every time I see it. - Insane. - She's just so, like everything that she's so sharp and just like. - She's sharp and effortless. - Yes, yes. - At the same time, it is such a magic charm. - And every time you see her, you're like, "Why isn't this show about her?" Like, I want more. - She should have more to say in this. - And more to do. - More to do. But Beth follows her upstairs. - Yeah. - And essentially, while she's packing, it's like apologizes for raising her voice, I shouldn't have done that. But to kind of doubles down on like, I feel judged by you all the time at every turn. And her mom essentially points out that she is envious of kind of full house. - Kind of full house. You want to know my house is like, it's very quiet. - She's like, I know what time it is during the day by the traffic pattern. - By the traffic pattern. - And it come here, and like just the loud chaos of kids and crushes and all and being needed, like all of that really. It's like, yes, she's rules, she has her sort of strictness, but she just like, that's why she stays. That's why she doesn't want to leave. - Yeah. - We forget. - We forget. And the episode essentially ends with Beth coming out to the porch where Randall is with his basil plant. - With a brand new cooler for her. - With a brand new cooler full of IPAs for him. And he's like, oh, well, thank you so much. And she kind of lets the cat out of the bag that like, by the way, my mom has been me staying with us indefinitely. - Your family treats our house like a remata in. So my mom is gonna stay here for as long as she wants. Okay, bye. - Yeah, it's like, it's my turn now. - Bye. - I don't even remember this part. She just sort of like, cutely walks out. - And leaves you on the porch with your beard. - Yeah. - But also, you can't argue that. - No, you can't. You can't. I've had plenty of family members in the crib. - Yeah. - I get it. - Yeah. - So I'm good. - That's that. And I would say the only other little couplet to address is the Kevin and Madison, what how this episode sort of ends, you know, once Kate and Toby leave, they kind of have a little conversation about this idea of like, you know what, my family now is our family, is you, is Frania Nikki, and I have to sort of let go of this dream of the compound, like that's clearly not gonna happen. But like I mentioned earlier in the episode, how he's like, I just always thought my family was gonna consist of like my mom and dad and brother and sister, and I like living together forever. And like, which I'm curious if you guys felt this, like the need of like a boundary, right, with your family of origin versus like your family that you're creating, you know, where it's sort of like, you know, Taylor and I talk about this and it hasn't like come up in like a really profound way yet, but like the starting of your own family traditions. - Right. - And the obligation you feel of like going to visit other family for Christmas, when is it like, when do you start those traditions of like, no, people can come to us or we just do it by ourselves and maybe we go after the holidays or something like whatever that picture sort of starts to look like for you. And I think Kevin is coming to this realization of like, I have to let go of my preconceived notions of what my life and what my definition of family was going to be. - Right. - With this new definition of family. - 'Cause it looks different. - We just had that over the holidays. You know, my parents, more my mom, wanted to do our Christmas Eve tradition that we did growing up. - Okay. - Like, you know, which is, you know, we'd come home from church, we would have hot chocolate and we would get to open one gift from this certain relative who would send kind of wacky gifts every year. - Okay. - And I'm like, we're not doing that. Like, that's not, like-- - That's not what we want to do this year. - And now what we do is we go over to Rose's house on Christmas Eve and have dinner there with the extended family. And that's our chance to get together with the extended family. That's what we do now. - Yeah. - And our kids don't drink hot chocolate at eight o'clock at night. - Before they go to bed. - There's five years, you know what I mean? I'm like, we gotta get them to sleep. - Yeah. - Right. - And we don't have a gift. - So Santa couldn't come home. - Yeah, so front of the floor. Can I stop 14 things to build with you? But yeah, it's like, it's interesting. People want to hold on to these traditions, but it's like, also, let's preserve that. - Yeah. - That was for us. - Yeah. - And that doesn't get to be interesting. - That doesn't get to be for everybody. - Yeah. - That's what we did. - Yeah. - Like, there's something that, like what you would say when we're Kevin, in my family, or between Ryan Michelle and Sterling Brown, for the first five, six, seven years of marriage, I would refer to home as St. Louis. And eventually she'd be like, you know, St. Louis isn't your home. I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, this is your home. (laughing) - Yeah. - And I was kind of like, oh. - Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Like me going to St. Louis. visiting my family, right. But where my wife and children are is my home. Right. And we would get because you guys don't have quite the same geographic boundaries. You're family still in Florida, Mandy, but you also have family out here as well. You got Sacktown. Yeah. Like geographically, they're all gone. They're all away. So we would get mad stressful going back to St. Louis for every Christmas or whatnot. But then she's from St. Louis too. So having to see like two different families. You know, I was like, how about we see your family for Thanksgiving is how we do it. And then we'd see my family for Christmas. And she's like, I feel bad being in St. Louis and not seeing my family. Yeah. That's weird. So ultimately, now as of the past two years, I think we've been in LA. And folks will come to us and we get a chance to establish what's ours. Yeah. We get to share. Yeah. It is important. Yeah. And we're seeing Kevin sort of like really kind of think through that long term. And before that, we are interrupted by the very end of the episode, which is Uncle Nikki at the door. He's come to Los Angeles. And he says, you mean to tell me you only named one of your kids after your favorite uncle? And that's it. Smash cut to end of episode. Yeah. It's good episode. Yeah. It's great episode. I think we have my favorite segment of the show. Well, look, we did this during our live show. We've done it a couple times on the pod. Yep. Our hot take segment. Hot takes. So if you want to hear some real scorchers, you gotta stay tuned. Yeah. All right. It is time. Uh-oh. If you are a frequent listener to our pod, you know what's coming. We brought this segment out on stage during our live show. And it was electric. So we couldn't wait to do it on the podcast again. That's right. Hot takes. Yeah. They're back. They're back. Bold opinions, possibly controversial feelings. Let's get into it. Okay. Okay. Okay. So email from Stephanie, the middle big three, Mackenzie Parker and Lonnie, should have been in the penultimate episode of the series, the train. I understand that they were growing up. But there are a couple of scenes where Rebecca sees her children in each phase of their lives on the train. And they should have been a part of it too. I understand what they're saying. That's a hot take. But it's also you gotta get walked off the island. They look so different. Right. And they would have been like the age that the teenagers would have been, you know what I'm saying at that time. Yeah. And I feel like Logan and Niles and Hannah looked closer to the way that they were in the beginning of the series. Yeah. That you're right. It would have felt too weird. Like what? These kids are almost the same age as each other. Yeah. Mackenzie is a giant. She's so tall. Yeah. You're like right below. But we have to say what you mean. We're gonna say what you mean. This is from Babylon. Yeah. Hot take. It's weird to make your son's first name the same as your dead father. Rebecca having to talk to Jack makes me sad sometimes. There's fine. Your son's first. Oh, are you talking about Kotobies? Yeah. I was like, I don't know. I don't think it's that weird. It's not that weird. It actually feels pretty. It's sort of like I'm kind of comforting. Yeah. Yeah. That like that person is still here. Like we still get to hear their name. That's right. That's how I feel about it. But different strokes. It would have been weird if she had made Miguel go by Jack. That would have been weird. Yeah. But naming her child Jack doesn't feel strange to me. That feels okay. It isn't hot take. It's a hot take. All right. Hot take from Ali. Yes. The big three chant on the cabin steps after Rebecca's funeral in the finale felt very awkward and forced. I cringe every time you can kiss my ass because that was one of my favorite things to do. And I say this would love you can kiss my ass because we love because now like cringe. No, man. Like I felt like this was a sense of completion. You know what I mean? Like it felt like what it felt like to me because this is a thought that I have as my mother is going through her own illness. What will happen to the branches of her children? Will they sort of like be disconnected from one another? Because the mom is sort of the thing that she's in connection together. Yeah. I think that these these three siblings were saying like we're in it together forever. Yeah. Like we will be a part of each other's life. No matter what. And that chant was a declaration of that commitment to one another. I agree. That's that's my thing. I appreciate your hot take. They don't mean they call them hot takes. Yeah, I don't mean it. They're not lukewarm things. Yeah, I don't mean it in a mean way. But but but respectfully. I mean, maybe it wasn't the champion. Maybe it was just the actor. Maybe it was that. Okay. Oh, this seems this seems spicy guys from Jade. Rebecca shouldn't have picked Jack. What? Jack is a great man. But the life he wanted for himself was drastically different from the life Rebecca always wanted. By being with Jack, Rebecca's dream slowly but surely got lost inside Jack's dream. Rebecca wanted to be a famous singer. Jack wanted a quiet normal family centered life. Those two dreams cannot easily coexist. It can work under very specific circumstances, but usually what ends up happening is that one person has to shrink. So the other can expand, especially when the dreams require opposite lifestyles. They were simply incompatible and blinded by love. That's the hardest take we've ever had. That's pretty bad. But it is well thought out. That is very well thought out. Well written. Yeah. And she's not wrong. No, she's not. This is tough. We're all speechless. This is tough because she and I can I explain how I always viewed it. Yes. That was Rebecca's dream. But ultimately being with Jack, deciding to like hunker down and have a family. Her dream did slowly shift and morph into like actually this is something I maybe never saw for myself like coming to fruition in this way. But I love this person so deeply and I love his dream. And his dream kind of became my dream. That's not to say that my dream ever died completely as evidenced by its sort of reemerging later in life when like circumstances did change and kids got older and opportunities sort of presented themselves. I feel like for the most part she's not wrong, but everyone's circumstances are so different. It's also like what you're describing is what in a world where everyone gets exactly what they want all the time. That's not possible. This is a realistic thing. It happens. I would say probably more often than not. But I would say from from I'm not going to speak from a woman's perspective, but from what I have heard that women frequently feel that they lose themselves inside of a marriage and only get defined primarily in the relationship to their husband and in relationship to their children. First couples therapy session, Rachel and I had before we got married, the therapist asked to see what we were most afraid of in marriage and that is what Rachel said. Yeah. Mosing herself. That I will lose myself in this couple of shots. Are they Beth Pearson said the same thing? Yeah. Can I also say for Rebecca, you know, when she really put herself on the line and was told that she quite frankly wasn't good enough for record deals, I wouldn't say that that like completely squashed every bit of her dream, but I think it kind of she had to level with herself. Okay. Maybe this isn't I'm not as good as I thought I was. Maybe this isn't in the cards for me in the way that I dreamed or imagined. Her first acknowledgement of that was looking at Jack and saying, let's go home and going back to Pittsburgh with him. So it's like I think before Jack and maybe at the beginning of Jack like this was this dream. Yeah. And it wasn't solely being with him that like killed it or shifted it in some way. It really was being told like I don't know if this is for you lady. Right. That I think allowed her to sort of reframe. Okay. Well, what do I want my life to be? Yeah. If this isn't I hear you. You know. Yeah. And in terms of your own arc. In my own arc and explaining that to me. And the flip of this is, are you supposed to abandon every other good thing in your life? That comes your way. You're supposed to ignore other people's dreams. Yeah. For your own. Yeah. Like you know what I mean? Yeah. Like this is this is the same thing that that Kate runs into, which is like you didn't get the job. Yeah. Because you're not good enough. Yeah. Like you're a good singer. Right. But in this case, like just because your dream didn't work out. Doesn't mean that you were wronged. Yeah. Yeah. I will. I will say this and Jade used sort of like to be on her side because my wife has told me this and I've heard this from other women. Men usually don't lack in confidence even if they don't have great ability where women with great ability frequently lacking confidence in a very interesting way. Like when people from the outside look at like incredibly capable women, they're oftentimes don't see themselves in that same way. And dudes who are cool or great, but they think they're awesome or worthy or it's their right to go out and have their dreams be met and fulfilled. Yeah. Like I feel like this is a very woman specific take that deserves merit. It's a merit it take. - Yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, Jade, you good take. - Good take, good heart take. - Good heart take. - I got this one. Heart take from Britt Bitt Picks. Heart take, it was a missed opportunity not to include Shauna in "Dagia's Life" even if only by phone call as the series went on. It's a heart take. We did include it to a certain extent, right? But then people get jobs. - You know, you're trying to tie up storylines. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Availability. - Sometimes, sometimes. - People are bailable like that. - There was a worldwide pandemic. What do you want us to do? - Yeah, she got heart. - Heart take, I loved the COVID storyline. - Hey, these will be the stories we think back on and share with our kids. But we have season five of "This Is Us" to prove it. - I think so. It's a nice little time capsule. - Exactly what we were talking about last time. - I have appreciated it as a time capsule. - That's from @callwee. - Yeah, good take. - Thank you, Catherine. - Catherine P. Hot Take, "This Is Us" does not feel like it was set in Pittsburgh. Not once is a Yins dropped in the whole show. And it's weirdly flat. Pittsburgh is many things, but flatt is not one of that. - This is really good. - Pittsburgh is very hilly. - Really good. - I'm shot on location there. - It's so beautiful there. - I love Pittsburgh. - Blame Fogelman, 'cause we don't know like all the stuff that we should have probably known. I lived in New Jersey and in Philadelphia. So I think I was okay. Yeah. Yins, and do they also say John? - John is over a lot of places. - Hit me that John there, like like. - That's a few different places. - Hit me that what? - John. - J-A-W-N, it's like a thing thing. - Hit me that John. - What's up with that John? - Yeah, but Yins is specific to Pittsburgh. - It's really a good, that's a good, that's a-- - That comes from somebody from Pittsburgh. - Yeah, of course, Catherine, sorry about that. - You got it. - It's a lesser known y'all. - This is- - Firey hot. - Firey hot. - You got this one? - No, no, no. - Okay, firey hot take from Safe Ray. I know y'all call him nasty Randall, but I think going to Howard would have been better instead of staying close to home. He would have struggled less with his identity and still maintained a healthy relationship with his family. Beth still needed to be there though. So hot take. And my wife called him nasty Randall. She's the first person to call him nasty Randall because he was cooking up with all his T.A.'s and everything. There's something about being, and it doesn't happen for black people with great frequency in this country where you get a chance to feel like you are part of the majority, right? Where you're not like navigating primarily white spaces and you're giving head nods, 'cause like, "Hey, there's another brother here. I see you, brother." But when everybody's a brother, you can give head nods to everybody because you're just doing that with lash. And so I completely and totally understand what you're saying. If Beth were there and he had that opportunity, it wouldn't have been bad. I think Randall himself is the person who chose. I think his mother would have loved for him too, right? She never would have asked him to give that up. Randall's sort of savior complex need to be of service was the thing that he took that away from himself. So yeah, understand the tip. Go on. Hot take. We should have seen the fallout between Rebecca and Shelly. We don't see them interact after they get divorced and that's especially odd after Jack's death. That would be the time when Rebecca needs her friend the most. We just didn't have a lot of Shelly at all. We didn't have a lot of Shelly at all. You said the piercing. Not enough, Shelly. She said that I love friends. We didn't have a lot of friends on the show. TV families don't. We don't have the time. We got 42 minutes. Yeah. And we got to interact with each other. We don't. Yeah. I don't disagree with that thing. Yeah. You'll notice there aren't a lot of friends on TV. Hot take. We got to what if Jack survived the fire episode? But we also should have seen what if Rebecca died in the fire episode, too. Woof. OK. Mom. That's an interesting take. That would have been an interesting sort of thing to explore because a lot is it just would have been a different show. Yeah. Being raised by a guy who does what were the sandwiches that Jack made for his kids? Born sandwiches. We would have been deeply malnourished. Yeah. You know, I'm saying like a thing. This is like saying, hot take, I want to see a different show. A totally different show, a totally different show. Yeah. It's a good take. It's an interesting thought. That's it. That's all our hot takes. Yes. You guys. They come with good hot takes. Yeah. Yeah. These were solid. Yeah. We love this segment. Keep sending them in. We love it. Because it is so much fun. This was this was a great episode. Guys. We're at five, 10. We're officially past the halfway mark of season five, the halfway mark of season five. Yeah. Keep helping us grow the show. I know, I know it feels like we've been doing this forever. But please keep continuing to like and subscribe and sharing episodes and let us carry this through to the end. 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