‘Pacific Heights’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Kyle Brandt

The rewatchables is brought to by the ringer podcast network where you can find Chris Ryan, the one and only. That's me. The watch World Cup, a lot of World Cup going on right now. For sure. I don't know when this is running, but the World Cup will still be going. Okay. Then I am still doing the Adam Friedland show Cole and the beautiful pod where we talk about the World Cup. Talk about soccer. Uh huh. Yeah. Hopefully by the time people hear this, you would say it'll still be alive. Let's hope. We'll be like, holy shit. We got through the groups, Kyle Brandt's here. Hey, Bill. You said you have an announcement. What do you got? I do. I have an announcement that affects us all. I was listening to the mailbag episode of this very podcast. Oh my God. And there was a gentleman who had a grievance with you and mead bill. And then in the wake of that grievance, Chris Ryan had a solution to the grievance. And we even have the clip. If you wouldn't mind Craig Horback, play the clip to remind the listeners. How do you and Kyle Brandt sleep at night? Knowing you failed to choose the storm family portrait as the piece of memory bill you'd keep from art to kill on 1990. It's seen early in the movie right before Felicia Storm was brutally murdered during four-footed Mason and before their son Sonny escapes. See attached. As penance, please do an episode on Deadly Ground. So he sent a picture and this is the story of the film. I didn't notice it. I apologize. I know Kyle apologizes as well. This is amazing. I can't believe they did this. I'll tell you what you guys should do. By the way, that's Sharon Stone, I think. To make up for this, you should get those made into t-shirts and wear them the next time you're in Kyle Brandt. Oh, no. I feel like Kyle is crazy enough and there's no football right now that he's going to show up on our rewatchables with the storm family portrait on there. Yeah. Appreciate the feedback. We listen. We're always trying to pay attention. Anytime I can make the show better and ladies and gentlemen, I'm thrilled to tell you, we got him. We got him. We got him. We got him. We got Felicia, Rest in Peace. We got the unironically named Sonny Storm and we got Mason Storm, who is mean mugging the artist who is painting a family portrait. You just love to see it and guys, I got him coming your way too. I'm so thrilled. Oh my God. This is great. It's also Mason Storm watching himself commit to foreplay with his wife, you know? It's a stunning, meditextual commentary on family and sexuality in it and now you have it as a t-shirt. It's a t-shirt. This is a six person pod. Here it is, guys. So they're going to be joining us for Pacific Heights Mason Storm to talk real estate. We got it. So is that supposed to be Sharon Stone? No. It's Felicia Storm. I don't think it's Sharon Stone. Oh, yeah, yeah. She's a great looking wife who got shotgun to death in the first six years. Unbelievable stuff. Crowley. Thank you. It's going to be hard for me to concentrate on the podcast. I know. And yet. Yes, Pacific Heights is coming up next. It's the rewatchables presented by Fandoah predicts. You can predict the summer soccer showcase with Fandoah predicts from the opening game to the final whistle. Stay locked in. Sign up now for your $25 bonus on Fandoah predicts. Go to fandoah.com/predicts to sign up offered by Fandoah prediction markets LLC, a registered futures commission merchant 18 plus restrictions by sea terms at fandoah.com/predicts/bonus-offer-terms. All right, guys, I don't know if it's from hell month or from hell summer. We'll see. I see our for all we know the USA might be in the final four by the time you can ask. But I told Kyle Brandt the premise. I told him some of the movies. And he basically looked at me and he said, when Pacific Heights is ready, yes, I'm there. Why? What is it about this movie? Well, Bill, I don't know whether you realize this or not, you referenced this movie over the years on this pod here and there just connected to Keaton, connected to this that it'll come up. I was like, I'll be great to do a Pacific Heights pod. And then recently you were listing the movies for for hell month. And the second you said Pacific Heights, CR goes, oh, that's the one I want to do. Because of course, he's a man of taste. And I think for me, it's just the rare, rare Zillow thriller. You don't see a lot in that genre. And I remember it making a big impression on me as a kid. Despite having no knowledge of real estate law or renter's rights, and I think it's because it was fully evil, Michael Keaton, immediately in the wake of Batman. He decides to do dark money pit. And I just remember thinking that was so cool. And I loved this movie and I don't know how big the audience is. But every time it hits for me and the rewatch was great. This is a crazy one that was on cable constantly. When I turned this on to rewatch it, I was like, I kind of don't need to do this. I have this movie committed to memory. I remember so many nuances of Keaton's performance specifically, who's kind of in this movie like Hannibal Lecter. Were you going to, were you going to play with a razor blade during this pilot? No. Just kind of moving around on the house. But you know, but you know, this one has been kind of lost to history a little bit. I don't even know. It goes in and out of streaming services. It's not constantly on it. I don't think it's had any kind of like critical real valuation, but it is a roleicking, you know, what is it? A hundred minute long thrill ride. Tenent from hell. New York Times described it as an eviction thriller. Yeah. Which I think might be the only one of its kind. I saw this in the theater. It's a great date movie. It's both scary and not scary at all. I watched it with my wife this weekend. She loved it. It's incredibly fun to make fun of Drake Goodman, played by Matthew Modine, who we'll get into with a lot of thoughts, but some stuff I like, tremendous San Francisco movie. We talked about this during the basic instinct pod. It's like early 90s San Francisco. Great job. See how it could try as a one point. It's put a hill. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. They're all a Patero. It's Patrero Hill. Patrero. My God. The corner of 19th in Texas, so it's not in Pacific Heights. But great San Francisco movie. It's right. Right as this from hell thing is taken off, right? We talked about the peaks 92, but fatal attraction lays the tea leaves or something like this. And then as Kyle pointed out, kind of a tremendous, I learned something movie. I didn't know anything about tenant rights, evictions, what the laws were, what I could get away with when I was a tenant some day. Once you're in, you're in, man, this is like the best of the movie. Did they take money from you deposit? Nope. Well, you're still in. You're good. Knock yourself out. California has more lenient tenant rights than other states, but I did later in my life, like when I was in my late teens, early 20s, I lived in a house in Boston where the landlord died and we just stopped paying rent for like a full year. And then the widow was like, what's up with you guys? Like you haven't paid rent in a year and we were like, well, nobody asked, you know? And but it was like, there was, there was a whole process where it was like, it was going to be impossible to get us out. And that widow was bankrupt because these brat kids didn't pay her dead husbands a rent. Jesus, yeah. Just, just skating, no big deal. That's like better than a legal cable. That's a crap. Really? To that point though, like what I watched it now is an adult. What freaks me out is like, I'm not afraid of Freddie Krueger. I'm not afraid of going in a dark basement. I'm terrified of systems that I can't navigate and that the teeth of bureaucracy sink in, whether it's HOA, IRS, whatever it is getting its teeth into me and I can't protect my family, especially since in this movie, the couple, they throw it all in on this house. Like the great American dream. This is our future. It's an investment and it's being taken from them. Really relatable and very, very scary in a way that like a slasher movie is not. And also, there's very few movies that shape your perspective completely. It could be on the Carter Hayes side or you could be on the Modean and Melona Griffiths side. Are there people who are on the Carter Hayes side? Well, just like, I don't have enough money to pull off rent in this place, but I'm in and I'm just going to find it like that's like the worst case scenario, right? This is like a pretty evil guy, but there's been, I remember like, we, when I lived in Charlestown, we had a really, really huge party and got in trouble with the landlord. And I did kind of be like, you know what, what's he going to do? I got six months left to waste that there for Pacific Heights. There's a whole process here. We worked it out with the landlord, but you know, you kind of put the chest out. It's like, you think you better than me. We can't have a body. What's nuts is that is that moment when after Carter Hayes gets beat up and the cop comes and the cop holds like a legal class right there on the sidewalk and where Drake is like, he's got no right to be here. When he's in, he's got rights and he's just schooling, Modi's get a lawyer, kid. That's the crux of the movie. And by the way, Modi, when we get to the, the overacting award, like, Modi and considering the fact that he's going up against Keaton here, who's just like throwing 103, he's Mizraowski at the end of this game. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's, Oh, Mizraowski reference. Wow. I saw him live on Friday night. Yeah, it was one case one hitter. It was amazing. Oh my god. Oh, that's great. And you, what happened after you left the real world of Chicago, did you have a place to go or do you have to move back home? No, I almost immediately moved to Franklin Avenue at the base of Runyon Canyon by the Magic Hotel. Like right there, I got a department. Oh yeah. I like that. Yeah, so I got my first department, had a roommate, it was $1,400 a month, I paid $700 a month, and I lived there for like a couple of years. Because you could have done the Carter Hayes on the real world. Yeah. All right, it's Move Out Day, it's like, is it? I don't know. Sorry guys. My stuff's here. Is it Move Out Day? Me and Anisa are just going to stay for a while. We've been here for four months, and we're going to get Tonya to stay, too. I was. And we're just going to keep finding out what happens. We stopped being polite. Great idea, bro. Tonya, I was kind of thinking that there was the story going around about Carl Anthony Towns when he got traded from the Temporal Wolves was like, they gave me 10 minutes to pack up like nine years of stuff, and I was like, there would be a whole new Pacific Heights twist of people moving into athletes' houses after they just got traded and being like, I'm not leaving. But you're like, you know, cats, cats, squatter. Sure. Yeah. What if Catchers never left Minnesota? That's right. It's like, nah. I'm good. Yeah. Does Jimmy don't want to say like? I know the trade legally happened. Craig, do you have a terrible tenant story? What I lived in Brooklyn, I year after college, we had a true slum lord. Like our place was a complete piece of shit, and we eventually stopped paying rent. And realized there's nothing this guy can do, so we didn't pay rent for probably the last three months. Did he do anything to harass you back? He threatened us and we said, like, we'll get a lawyer and he never responded. We never saw the guy in person. We went to his office. It was always closed every time we came by, so we just stopped paying. This is what happens. But that's New York. I think in like Florida and Texas, it's a lot harder for the tenant. The other weird thing about this movie is I think it's a one-on-one because you think like there's been '75, we did hand the rocks a cradle, '75 versus that movie with the nanny comes in. Oh, she's going to try to rope in the dead and all the mistress from hell, that's, I don't remember another tenant or eviction from hell, right? Well, this could be, I mean, so, it would be so fun to remake this for Airbnb now. Yeah. And to be like, oh yeah, you know, because like they've made some Airbnb horror movies like the, I think it was the rental from a couple of years ago with Dave Franco. Oh, I kind of like that movie too. And he directed that, but they haven't made a, I Airbnb, my house during the World Cup and now the guy won't leave. Like that's, that's sitting right there. And he's with seven people from Scotland. I think you've seen about John McGinn. And they just keep singing songs and pouring beer at each other. This was another thing I loved about this movie that for some reason makes me think of Kyle Brandt every time I see this opening credits from Nades or 90s. It starts out James G Robinson presents, I don't know who that is, but it just sounded, there's a certain way. And I just was disappointed that Mustafa Akai, I think one of the last Morgan Creek movies I can't remember. Yeah. And then Joe Roth was a part of this. This was had a lot of hitters. And it's worth saying, it's Keaton's first movie after that. Yeah. Let's do some Keaton. First movie after Batman. We talked about him in the past. I loved him in the 80s from the Letterman appearances then Night Shift, which we did with Billy Blaze, Johnny Dangerously, Gungho, Beetlejuice. He's a top five Letterman guest. There's a couple of misses in there, a little clean and sober in there. But then Batman in '89. And it was like watching like one of your college buddies just become one of the biggest stars in the world. It's like really, Michael Keaton's going to be Batman. It's like the closest thing we would have today would be Pratt, right? Kind of. But Pratt doesn't have like a, I saw him on Letterman a hundred thousand times, like it was more. He had the one. He had the one who became Batman. By the way, Peter Schringer might be Batman. He's in New York. He's right there. He's tough. He's tall. Bill, I'm hearing a lot of things from the guys in Gotham. They're very excited about RV Dead's chances as a 30-general. Hey, I talked to the Penguin Bill. His guys love him. They are ready to go to war for him for Gotham. And you know what? The cold weather is not a problem for the Penguin. We're hearing. And I'll tell you another thing. If the Penguin hadn't gone right there, Sean McVeigh was ready to take him. I'm glad you bring up McVeigh. I haven't mentioned him in 30 seconds. Did you know I'm friends with him? I was at his wedding. He's basically the riddler in disguise. Peter, you're great. We love you. I know you listen. Anyway, Batman makes Keaton a massive, massive star. It goes from a wait. Why the fuck is this guy Batman too? He was actually a great Batman because of the mouth. Yes. The mouth with the mask. Look great. He did the job. He pulled it off. What's your next move? It's going to be an eviction thriller, actually, with Matthew Modid and Melon Griffin. So I couldn't find this in the research. Yeah. Do you guys, because there's a phenomenon of like, this has happened to Jennifer Lawrence when she was in Hunger Games. And then the first thing that comes out is a horror movie that she had shot like three years previous. And they're like, from the start of the Hunger Games. I bet she would have paid anything to have that flush down the toilet. Is it specific height something that he agreed to previous? No, it was a move. I'm pivoting career man career move of I want to be a little bit evil. But the thing is like actors love going evil. This is the best part of the movie. You don't want the Modine part, this movie you want. You want the Keaton part, right? Well, Chris, the thing is the same thing happened. Chris Hemsworth in a terrible red dawn remake came out after he was Thor and they brought that out. But listen, I have a take have a point to a lot. Oh, for sure, like I didn't realize I thought wow, look at this person going at it. Carter Hayes is Bruce Wayne if he had never gotten the money. And I think it's like Thomas and Martha get killed and he turns to crime. All the money goes to charity. He's cunning. He's dashing. He's brilliant. He likes the blonde women. Let's be honest. There is like a very cheeky moment with that black poor show where he clicks the thing and that's like, that's the fucking Batmobile. Like in the driveway. That's exactly it. He drives that fancy Mercedes at the end. That's like the Wayne family car. If Bruce Wayne had never gotten the money, he's Carter Hayes gone to crime. When he's trying to take on that rich widow at the end, he's rolling around. He's got the V next sweater on. He definitely looks like Bruce Wayne at the golf club. I've said this in previous pods and it sounds nuts, but Hanks and Keaton were deadlocked for years and years. They were my homes in Josh Allen, basically. Keaton was winning in 1990. Batman was bigger than anything Hanks did. They were dead even probably going for the same parts where you could have flipped them in different movies. And by the time we get to Pacificides, this movie was a hit. And Hanks has bonfire at the Vanities, basically the same year. That's a bomb. Yes. And then Melanie Griffith. And then the next year of flips and Hanks goes on. His Hanks run. I think the thing I loved about Keaton is I like him more when he's like this guy or Jackie Brown. Because he could also be the night ship guy, but you can't be the night ship guy for 20 years, right? Night ship guy is like a five-year show flip. I liked when there's like a little darkness to Keaton. Yeah. And I think being part of an ensemble or being part of a larger cast rather than being like the only person. It's helpful for him. Like the paper. He's pretty good in. I know that you don't like that movie. Wow. But yeah. Spotlight. Yeah. And spotlight. It's a good example. You know what happened in spotlight? They do. We got these guys loose. I miss that. Yeah. Live in your head. Don't you call me lady? No, it's an underrated. I found this out this weekend because it came up on YouTube. An underrated accent in spotlight is too cheap. What's he doing in that? It's like Boston, but I maybe went out of state for school and came back. I went to Tennessee. Yeah. Came back. We're going to go a lot into some of the interview's Matthew Modine has given over the years. He's really a one-on-one and honestly a threat to listen to this podcast and sense of angry tweets. I love Matthew Modine. Congratulations on the next. Yeah. One of my favorite movies. Vision Quest. We love. Yeah. We already did Vision Quest. And he's back. Stranger Things. You had a huge run. Stranger Things. Don't take it personally. I'm in a Modine. But also this part. He does this part very well. Right. Well, we're going to get to that. I thought the other way. I don't give a shit what Modine says. When he turns off those utilities and does that victory dance, cringe, cringe, Modine, you can tweet anything you want. Wow. Right. Happy. Modine said about Kyle. I've been talking to Modine and he's so excited about some of the Stranger Things sped off. Yeah. Modine said about Michael Keaton and one of the many interviews he's given over the years. Michael is a charming and witty man. So playing that character made but uncomfortable for him. So against type, I'm not sure what he did while not on set. He had just done Batman. It was a ginormous success. So I'd see him on the set and we'd do our work and then he'd disappear like Bruce Wayne. Hmm. Then Keaton was just standing out. Modine's like, Hey, you want to watch the next game tonight? No, no, I'm going to dinner. And that was it. It didn't feel like there was a lot of love in general on this set. But yeah. Keaton, after this, it gets a little rocky. Like he does Batman the second one with Michelle Pfeiffer. Yes. And then, I don't know, it's, it's, it gets a little rocky for a couple of years. I am DB wise and then, Chris, do you like Batman Returns? I think I, I'm not the biggest Burton Batman guy. I think the first one's huge for me just because of like seeing the theater and the events of it all. But I think it just kind of pales in comparison to the normal. Yeah. I don't care for it very much. I just done the penguin thing and all that. I just don't think it's very good. And then the shoe marker ones came in and destroyed it. Right. Batman Returns. I don't really like to your point Bill. Like we're talking apex mountain left and right. Like this is like the definition of it for Keaton. - Yeah. Melon and Griffith. This is kind of the tail end for her as a leading actress in a movie. We go from body double, something wild, working girl, and then she does pacificite's bonfire of the bandities this year. And then that's it. She really paid for bonfire of the bandities in a way that really tough. She was the one, yeah, and Willis didn't either. Yeah, um, the palma did though. Yep. This was the last stand for her. And I got to say she's miscast in this movie, but I still like that she's in the movie. If that, it's a miscasting that I actually really enjoy. I don't think she's the right person for the movie. And I never really bought her Modeme. But I think that's one of the reasons I like the movie Kyle. But even last night, my wife and I were talking about it. We're like, would these two be together? There's a lot of sense. I was, so this is my favorite part about this movie. Sometimes we'll watch these films that are set in like the early 90s up up until like maybe turn of the century. And you're like, uh, felt like all of this stuff would be so different now because of technology, but there's something perfect about a horse instructor, a horse riding instructor, and a tight maker. Yeah, let's make it work. You want to throw 750 down on a Victorian? I don't know like how would people vet each other back then? How long did you date? You know, but like they're just two kids like to fuck trying to make it honest. You know, like it's just, I had this for a later. Like did he feel like the kites we're going to take off in the 90s? Dude, I mean, South Korea is going nuts right now. Listen, I have it on unanswerable questions. It's like, does he make fucking kites for a living? He does. Yeah, luxury kite maker. Right now it would be like some douchebag you went to high school with on Facebook. And he's like, bit of personal news, new endeavor, starting a kite company. Big things coming. We're thinking IPO in spring of 28. Early investors, if anyone wants to get it on my kite company. So she, she's a horse instructor with a bad knee. Her knee, yeah, yeah, a question accident. We didn't get to see for some reason. Even though we got 10 minutes of backstory. It's like a kid. It's like a kid. It was a doctor couldn't work. Right. We had to get an apartment. You're not, you're not even married. Like the big swing for the Victorian. It's just an apartment would be fine, right? Maybe you guys get the studio. That's the other weird thing about the relationship is like they, they're filling out the application. It's like marital status. They look at each other like single and it's like they don't want them really get married. But somehow they went all in on this giant Victorian anyway. And she says she's pregnant at one point. And he doesn't even seem that excited. No. He just says like congratulations. Like she just got promoted at work. It's like, did your kid do fuck face? I have a lot of Drake Goodman thoughts. But yeah, Melanie Griffith. She's at that stage with this where I think she's probably late 20's real life. But in the movie could be anywhere from 25 to 44. Yeah, it would have been any age. Whereas Modine seems pretty young still. Like he's in Vision Quest five years earlier than after this. Yes, also he goes shirtless a couple of times. And Modine is still absolutely ripped. Like he looks actually great. He really raises Vision Quest shape. Two things about their relationship. They kind of look like brother and sister. And if you know that and watch it, it weirds you out. I watched it once a few days ago. And then I did some research, which you probably have build it. Like they weren't necessarily the best friends on set. And they don't think it went that well. And then I watched the movie again. And it really affects it knowing that they weren't liking each other. Felt the same way. I watched it, did the research, watched it the second time. And I'm like, oh, yeah, they even when she's like when they're doing the renovation scene and she's kind of mounting him. And it just felt like brother, it was like watching The Lannister. There was a game of electricity when when Keaton's got the nail cut through her head. A little more chemistry going on. That's one of the questions of this movie. She has a more interesting relationship with Keaton, who she's in like two scenes with. Yes, but when she's in the scenes of them, I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, now we're going. I don't know, look, she's iconic and body double. She's great and working girl and had a bevy of personal problems. She married Don Johnson two different times. She married Antonio Banderas, and she married Mani from Scarface. It's kind of like us for a four marriages. She's the series after all these years. Well, I feel like she's like a family member for us. Don Johnson, Steven Bauer and Antonio Banderas are three husbands. I'm like, I don't know, I kind of think I should be third-chair. Who would just be like, yep, married him. And then Modine playing Drake Goodman, who I'll just say this now. I think is the biggest dope in all these from Hell movies. He might be the number one dumbass. Yeah, a male or female, I think he's the dumbest. Every decision he makes is wrong. He escalates it. And one point my wife, who is half-watching as always, just went on a tie-rate on him. It was like, it was almost like you forgot your watching a movie. It's like, why is this guy so fucking stupid? He ever reacts to everything. Yeah, but I think that's a great characteristic. I think it's an amazing movie character to just be like, oh, this guy is bringing so much grief to himself, because he can't control his temper. Can you imagine if he was the rewatchable's producer? The company's on the screen. Yeah, where is he? I want him out. What do you like about him? I like him and thoughts, Kyle. I have a lot of Jake Goodman thoughts. Him being the dumbest thing in any of the from Hell movies is bold. There's a woman in the good son who drops her own son off a cliff in favor of one of his sons. Right. That's a big move. But I love him. There's a really brief scene. I know you guys saw it where he shows us a lot of his cards. And he's a rugby player. Yes. He comes in in the rain. He's got that like blues clue shirt on. And he's like, sorry, I went to double overtime. Super violent. Most rugby players will ready to fight and have beers after the game. And really, really dumb. Like my favorite part of the from Hell movies is not when the from Hell people go bad. It's when they're buttering up their marks. And the two scenes that he has with Modine. And then it's a very different one with Patty. Modine just sees a few hundred bucks. And he's like, I don't give a shit with your private trust. Great, total idiot, whereas Mounting Griffith is actually really smart in this movie. Yeah, she does, uh, Keaton does a lot of stuff in that scene, which is going to be coming up for most rewatchables. Yeah. It's like, so you bought this? Who'd you buy this with? Are you guys married? It's your first one. Yeah. Like he's just like pulling information from him. So good. And Stupid Ashtray Goodman, who just sees a wallet full of $2,900. So by the way, he doesn't give to him. Nope. Because he's like, uh, I can give you this now. Or I can wire you all of it next week. Anytime somebody's like, I could wire it to you next week. Like, I'm out. I'm like, Hey, how about you, how about you sign the lease and we could, uh, from my bank in San Antonio? Yeah. Yeah, good. What was the San Antonio Tropic Thunder? What is he saying that? Oh, we're going to get some crawfish in San Antonio. Yeah. So Drake Goodman, professional luxury kite maker. One of the dumbest landlords of all time. Yeah. Terrible boyfriend. Not excited at all for the pregnancy right away. When's the fight for alcoholic? Yeah, it's definitely put down five beers. Yeah, it happens. But that's the hammer's on. At one point, it gets in a fight with Keaton. They go through the glass door, it gets in some punches. And then Melanie Griffith comes out. And he, all of a sudden, he's like a five year old kid. Like he collapses in her arms like, oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's like, what are you in the kindergarten? You just fought the school bully. Just the complete mess. He has all the traits of a spoiled rich kid, except he's not rich. So what good is he? He's the more you watch it, the less you like him. This was kind of the Modine. He would be these quirky, like Vision Quest. Super quirky. I love that movie. I love him in that movie. I think he's great. So do I. But like just there's a quirkiness about him. Like he's like, why not? Yeah, it's off kilter. I don't know. There's nobody like him, right? I mean, I can't think of another actor. I can't think of another actor. Now who is like as offbeat as him yet put in the lead role, you know what I mean? It's like usually that guy will be like, I don't know, like the Crispin Glover. Kind of like, oh, he's the comic relief for the weird buddy. The weird one. He's often like the main, the main character. He was a leading man. He always seems, and I just think because he looks young, he always seems three years too young for whatever role he's in. And Full Metal Jacket was that kind of work to his advantage. Yes. But he does birdie, vision quest, Full Metal Jacket gross anatomy. He's like considered to be one of the, you know, one of the best up and coming actors. Yeah. And he's so good in Full Metal Jacket precisely because the way he's delivering his lines and the way everybody in that movie is kind of talking is like, you're like, why is he going all day Joker? We haven't done that one yet. And then after this, he does a wind. Which Jennifer Gray, a little sailing movie. I'm not familiar with the wind. That's an America's Cup movie. Sailing movie. You'd be familiar if you surf around on toobie. I do. I do. I'm a white squal guy when it comes to. And then my favorite Modena, other than vision quest, like white squal is, uh, is in the band played on the HBO movie about, uh, about when the eights think of up. And he has a great stand up screaming everybody's speech in that movie. How much is enough? I know. How many bodies do we have to bury? Like, but it's really good. It's, and it's with him when he goes on tilt, you really feel it and enjoy it. What's your Modene? Like, when you see Modene, what are your thoughts? Well, just because we don't have any, you probably think the guy, the guy from dark day, right? They do tenet or whatever. And he's, unfortunately, stranger things, I mean, which is probably pathetic. But he has like a, there's almost like a Krasinski vibe to him when he's young. He's like, that's a great one. You know, it's like, that's who his compass is. He could have existed in a sitcom. His style of acting, I think, almost would work that way. Like scrubs, instead of scratch. Yeah, I think he could have done something like that. Do you think he should have put on 50 pounds of muscle like Krasinski? Or he could have been like Jason Seagull a little bit like I see him in shrinking kind of he's praying He's built like a swimmer in this movie. He's like so broad. He looked awesome, huge He could have been a superhero a couple things about Modi and then I find very interesting Offered Maverick and Top Gun offered that before Tom Cruise turned it down And has talked about it since because he disagreed vehemently with the film's Cold War politics sure. I get it. Yeah Which I think I get it. I see it. It's just hilarious that four years later. He's in pacific heights He's like I don't agree with the Cold War politics, but tenant rights. It's a passion He plays the defense secretary in Sikario day of the Soldado. So I think he's loosened up Where he has Josh Brolin to kidnap a cartel King's daughter So changed his butt there His interviews are really great. He really offers a lot. This was from 1990 LA times now I feel like he's gonna come at us. I like Modi and I don't want to be mad at us. It's fine. I like him too I feel like he's a friend. It's like how I'd make fun of Joe House Moody and Sunday nights with I could do some Saturdays and that's maybe he could come on and do a next thing with you. I Would love it. I like Bodhine Here's what he says I think everybody will believe I feel like you grew up with Modi but like he came up together. He's like family It's like I get it. The reason I was interested in pacific heights Was that we as a society car self civilized And we live together in community and that community we make rules where we say we won't take advantage of each other. We won't think that another individual is taking advantage of us Try to get in the benefit of the doubt and there's always some kind of person or group who takes advantage The goodness and kindness of the society And then he goes into talking about divers in Echo Poco Really? Yeah, he's I think he'd be an incredible podcast. I bet very eloquent thoughtful. We active on Twitter He was just recently tweeting about the pegboard scene was real envisioning. I love that and it was really cool backstories Like he'll tell the stories he's out there This movie was written by Daniel Pine based the screen planned several stories He heard from tenets and San Francisco pre internet and then it was directed by John Slesinger. Yeah, who This was the tail end of the career here. Yeah, but he did our beloved marathon man. He did. Yeah, did Sunday bloody Sunday Midnight cowboy way way back when Falcon and the snowman This is don't a miracle This is not And he did the believers. I will say that for Slesinger this movie has I mean, Sam pack and Paul did strong dogs in the 70s But this has like some roots in like some of those 70s movies you would see where it was like nerdy couple Get taught a lesson about the real world by world Outlaws kind of thing. Yeah, this is a little bit different It's like more of like a sociopathic con man But it's still like two people starting their lives thinking like Let's just take the plunge and buy a 750,000 Dictorian. Yeah, and Carter some good there's some good directing moments in this movie though like even Carter Hayes is going to check back in the hotel and they're like You know, we credit cards. They won't work to make your wife and and the cameras like going around him in the chancellor from 902 and L for Like that guy really that guy the dad for risky business But it's it's some good craftsmanship The only thing I wanted to mention that I think is important is this is like right in the yuppie era. Ah This is we've talked about it. Yeah, it's late. Yuppie. It's it's because they filmed this in 89 So we're talking and we talked about during the Wall Street podcast of You know greed is good Let's try to make a buck. It's it's Reagan's the president. It's how do how do I become rich? How do I turn a profit and this was like them trying to buy this building? It's not like they they restored the building, but they restore it just because it's a chance to maybe make some money from it And the ending is really interesting when there's this other couple that comes in they want to buy it It's like well, it's $900,000 now and they're gonna turn it in but there's kind of the mentality back then and I don't think it's the mentality now So if you're what if you're in your 20s and you're watching this now Craig? Yeah, you'd be like what the fuck's wrong with these people? There's that the idealism back then was just much more pure. Yeah, it is now. We're just too cynical now Yeah, well It was everyone was told you you you will buy a house and then it's an airtight investment and then you will live in it for a long time Then make a ton of money when you sell it and you're guaranteed that and that's what they're doing here Did you guys like when the that last scene you're talking about Bill when that by the way that guy is a that guy is the dad from Friday lights Did you find yourself doing the math a lot in this movie? Like I was trying to figure out the finances, but did they put 3% down? I don't know back then you could put zero down You could like they I never heard of somebody buying a house for $750,000, but then living month to month with the rent It's like if we miss miss one month rent we could lose this whole thing and say I'm not sure how that works when you buy house The numbers a bit everybody does it yeah Yeah, and then they they sell it at the end We don't know, but maybe somewhere in the high 800s and they paid mid-sevenths put at least 50,000 into it like they make money for sure But it's not it's not it's not walk away money. Yeah, not retirement money. No weird times 102 minutes Craig not bad right there You feel it just flies by sure. I could actually use maybe two more. I could use a little bit more Beverly D'Angelo. Oh, let's go Come on with Anne. I could use a rugby scene There you go. Yeah, I can't watch Modine playing rugby and I could use a lot more Greg, you know the guy the guy who's helping him destroy the apartment Oh, yeah, I could use the little sexual tension scene between Kate and yeah, I wonder if they shot that left it on the cutting We're like he touches her hand. They look at each other for a moment. He intuitively understands her pain from Something there to be like who is there a little bit there? I had this for later in the movie I think the movie's miss it. He's he goes heal immediately, right? He's in the house. He has a weird guys in there. Yeah, Carter's in Seattle There's no scene where he's kind of charming them in and he's like hey, I brought you guys a glass of wine Well, why don't we have it together? And then they have a glass of wine. He's got a Program to the bathroom. He kind of looks at her legs like wait. We're just missing that It's right. It's just a you know, Leg shot. It's kind of salvage a little bit 18 million dollar budget made 55 million dollars call brand 55 million and it was all worth it I have to revisit something that Chris just said you imagine you go to this movie you buy a ticket and you you get an idea What it's about? All right, it's Michael Keaton something new with real estate. You sit down and in the first 60 seconds You're like holy shit. Is this Ellen Griswald's boobs in my face for the L is this Uncredited Beverly, D'Angelo out of the clouds with full like full nude like all-timer You must have been blown away in the theater watching that I was rewatching it. I had an what sage the best um Top I know you did Top 10 sure Yes, actresses we've had. Yes, it's like hey Beverly, you know, we can't say PG 13 are Do you uh just want to want to film one take where we just we go far sure Let's go if it's okay with Michael It's also one of the earliest ever moments in a movie for the okay motherfucker Like we're gonna kick this up a notch and what's so great about that is that that's Pacino saying okay mother fucker And eventually he was in on that right yeah, it's not true they had a kid together sure did um Yeah, I googled I googled uh I was thinking this should be a category things I googled as I'm prepping the the run down for rewatchables But I googled Beverly, D'Angelo nude scenes Because I couldn't remember how many times she she had down on on that I pattern this. I thought that was on this iPad um And all this research came up of her nude scene in vacation, which apparently she's like fuck it. I'll do it Yeah, and there was this whole story about Anthony Michael Hall getting in trouble because He tried to sneak out into the set when she was doing which I don't think came up in our research when we did rewatch Was initially and then they had to kick him off the set because he was basically 14-year-old for keys. Yeah To watch through a people uh Roger Ebert two stars. Yeah You know there's not a fan of of from hell month the late Roger Ebert finds these movies Yeah, he's just the test his movies Pacific Heights is a horror film for yuppies in which the bad guy uses the axe to attack your three flat not you The thing is is that I could easily see this being the premise of the Hitchcock movie I mean even down to the setting But the idea of being terrorized in your own house seems like something that was ready made for him And then Roger will be like ah the master I never much like the young couple or believe they liked each other There you go And I didn't see enough of Keaton in the early stages of the movie because he was always behind a closed door of fair criticism It is that is true I was going to do this later. I'll do now. This would have been a great diploma movie Yes, for sure I think you ramp up the sexuality all the way through. I think you change you recast mount grip at the Ortegaard Just can you go in a body double motor? He would be doing all this stuff like going between walls Yeah, yeah, it's like drake and patty or humping carters listening, you know There's definitely a carter snakes in and is watching when they're having sex scene. Yeah Um Carter makes Anne come over, but calls her patty. It's just like it would be so twisted. All kinds of shit. I would take that and I would just go one notch higher with fincher and then it's then it's getting really dull like panic room. I don't know how to force him, so I don't know if I can handle fincher with the roaches. I just think it'd be just really gross. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back with most rewatchable scene and I had a surprising amount of them. This rewatchable scene Kyle mentioned the sheer thrill of seeing Mrs. Griswald getting it on in this movie, congrats to her. Bill, one year after Christmas vacation in which she spends the entire Christmas Eve with this like center cut, bosom busting thing, and you're like, she's so attractive and cool. 10 seconds into the movie, just lying around naked. It was the 13 year old me went crazy. Love it. Also, she's just covered in her own cigarette smoke. Just smoke it and we're in a kimono the entire movie. It's coming out of her nostrils constantly. It's almost like it's like she's wearing a reverse oxygen mask or something just spitting out smoke. Most rewatchable scene, I love a good house renovation scene going right into a super awkward rental scene with a perspective black tenant. Have you ever done really, really interesting from a 1990 perspective or shorter than winds up being a real, really, really interesting check offs black tenant, but if you were done in your own demo work, no, no, what are you talking about? Just turn. If you ever got the hammer out and took these hands, no. Chris, have you? I've never owned. Look at this baby soft hands. Oh, yeah. These hands are soft as a baby's bottom. I thought Chris maybe that place where you guys stop paying rent. Yeah. You should have calluses here. That's it. I just, I thought I didn't know if like back in Boston or your first LA house, you're like, yeah, let's take this wall down. No. Yeah. I didn't think that. That's a no. Um, I'm sorry. I just get the run around so much. Mm-hmm. Oh, bad for that guy. Yeah. Karl Lumberland. He was also Karl Lumbery. Maybe a little too aggro initially, but again, yeah, also, I'm putting the, I'm not putting it under the door. Yeah. At least application. It's in a, it's in a manel envelope. Attention, whatever. You could have just been a little bit more on the same page about who was handling applications and who was doing what? They weren't on the same page in this entire movie. Kyle mentioned this scene already. Keaton comes in, asks a bunch of questions. This is your first place. How about if I pay 2000 now? Mm-hmm. Actually, I'll wire you everything from my bank. It's like, it's in the Tonya. Work's in the Tonya. In the scene. It's great. It's great. Tonya. 'Cause I know. It sounds so made up. And this is, there's twin scenes. He works the idiot, Drake, and then he gets the smart girl. And he's doing that thing where he's like, did you pick out these light fixtures? And then there's this shot where he gives her a quick up and down in the body. And he said, you got great taste. It's a great scene. I love that one. I work for a private trust. I don't really have a traditional kind of credit. Sure. This is up there. What? I was thinking about like, who would buy this? How stupid do you have to be at? Maybe he had CTE from the rugby? This is a very like, what's the most 1990 thing? But like, it's the idea of being like, I work for a private trust. It's based in San Antonio. You're not going to get a usual credit history. It's up there with like, I'd love to do this, but I just have to move some money around. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Take out your phone and move the money around. Yeah. Motherfucker, come back with that money. It sounds like a. She lives in Canada. I met her at Niagara Falls. I thought the same thing. Like, what's the Mount Rushmore of? Yeah, you wouldn't know her. I have my money. Have you seen her career? Um. He says, I'm always running into this problem, you know? Yeah. A bit you are. Carter Hayes. Think about Carter Hayes and Drake Goodman as names. I think there's supposed to be anonymous because Danforth keeps moving through identities. So I think it's like an easy name to like replicate it until I get. What ringer podcast would Carter Hayes host? Oh, straight lacrosse, dude. That's an AI Lacks name right there if I ever heard one. It's like, we've gotten rid of Danny Heifetz and the fan of Steve football show. We've replaced him with Carter Hayes and Drake Goodman. We've Carter Hayes started doing some town episodes. He's a billionaire, though. This is my favorite scene in the movie and just because it makes me laugh so hard, it immediately turns you against Drake Goodman for the rest of the movie and he becomes the bad guy. When they're talking about Mr. Baker, how he came in, the perspective black tenant. And he goes, I don't know, maybe he's one of those minority scam artists. That was a weird aggro-races turn. Is this a new category for us, the Drake Goodman award for most unexpected casual racism? No, no, it's not a racial thing. It's common sense. Sure. That guy is so psyched of him for Bush. He almost catches himself saying, I have a lot of black friends, honey. Like it's right there. To be fair, he does. His only friend. He does. That's true. Yeah, that's true. He's both racist, but they're running the other apartment to a Japanese couple and his only friend is black. Yeah. So why are you being a racist? That it's just bizarre. Drake Goodman racist kite maker. That should be under character in the impressions. Sorry, you'll never get one of these kites. Yeah, I don't trust this guy. He's Mexican. I'm just a kite maker. I just call him like I see it. We need him out of World Cup Show. Drake Goodman in the first cicario. And it's like, yeah, finding him would be like finding a vaccine for a disease. I was even out of World Cup Show, Ecuador, typical. That's just basically a lexelolus. He cut his. Oh, man. Carter somehow gets into the place as my next rewatchable scene. Yeah, this is my this is tough because this is where they gave him an inch of daylight and he just said. Yeah. Did they? Well, because that's the great thing. He signed the lease. I guess he did. He signed a lease, but he's obviously not paid. He immediately changes the locks. He got in because somebody opened the door. But their mistake was not locking the lower apartment. So again, they're just so disorganized. They got people moving in. They have money problems. We need this guy. They don't have anybody watching the till. Yeah, and what's a double overtime, like there's a lot going on, the kites are running behind schedule. There was an intense scrum. He was a part of. I wanted to see her if she ran like the equestrian club like this, but there's just little kids riding on horses away from some place in Malibu or whatever. He's in the garage. We go from he barely gets into his in Seattle to now. He's just smoking a cigarette in the dark and the garage. Again, I feel like we're missing a scene, but I think this is a really good flip in the razor blades. It's like, okay, and this is 22 minutes into the movie. It's like, all right, we're not even going to like play the game and pretend we're buddies and we're just going for it. I looked for you guys. He's smoking that cigarette in the car with the windows off too. Yes. It's full psycho. He doesn't care. Yeah, that might, it's arguably the most sociopathic thing he did in the movie in a small Porsche coupe too. That invented because that car is going to fucking stink for more than just keeping roaches and jars. It's pretty nuts as well. Yeah. That's pretty. Next we watchable scene. He changed the box. Look, I can handle this patty. I know. This is where my wife, I wrote down her quote, he's acting very rational and it's bothering me. That was a direct quote from my wife. Yeah. She patty needed to take the con here. She needs to take over patty needed to give him the veto Corleone. You can act like a man. Yeah. Just like shake his shake his shirt. He's just a mess at this point. Next one, cockroaches, which leads to Drake climbing under the apartment at the perfect time. Where we get to hear the entire plot of the movie next to our two bad guys. There's doing a podcast about their heist. They're doing what you brought me in on this. Yeah. There's cats in there. There's cockroaches that fall in the head. Good. Probably Maudine's best moment in the movie. Those are 20 live cockroaches getting dropped. Now this is right when the cat gets taken, right? Yeah. When you and I have shared that in the 90s, earlier decades in American history, we had a little bit more of a transient, like kind of a flippant relationship to house pets. Yeah. This is what we mean. You know, like when it's just like, yeah, you just get another cat. When he tells daddy they have our cat, she's just like too bad. Doesn't give a shit. Honestly, I was going to have Mallory as our fourth. And I just feel like she would have spent an hour and a half talking about the cat. Yeah. I just don't understand. Yeah. They would have its own Instagram account. Yeah. It's a member of the family. We travel with it. Yeah. But he takes those bugs to the face like a champ. I like that. He reminds me of a like Kate Capchaw on Temple of Doom. It's like bugs and centipedes all over her. It's like that. It's a good moment. But if you had to say more impressive to the pegs and vision quest going all the way up for the 20 cockroaches on the face, what did Modene, what impressed you more from Modene? The cockroaches, the face is like a bad like Joe Rogan fear factor episode. That pegboard, I couldn't do that thing even I was in high school. I think it's the pegboard by far. I think it's very hard, very hard. Yeah. Incredible stuff by Modene. He's a fucking legend. Carter brings the flowers over after making the police call. Just to get his ass kicked, goes through the front door. We get a cry hug after. Drake does the beating, and then we get the Laura going. This is what he wanted. Game over, Drake loses, give him the basics at all time. - God help us if this becomes personal. - Right, no, man, so good. - Fight scene and he thoughts Kyle? - I do, yeah, I have some thoughts first of all. I had this in an unanswerable questions. Incredible job baiting the hook with the preemptive police call. What is Carter's play if Goodman doesn't take the bait? In other words, he's mad, but like he's not beating him up. You just keep kind of riding him and you have some hurt. - If you pull it this, like, yes. I mean, my unanswerable questions are similarly based in Kyle, but like, I don't know what he does if Drake's just like, okay, well I tried, you know what I'm like. - Now see, I think he studied this man, the city at Drake Goodman for weeks on end. - He's so excited by just the site of $3,000, yeah. - This is like Brunson and Game 5 with Wembee. Just like I've solved this seven foot six for you. - I've got it. - I'm just going to beat him off the dribble. He's going to buy every fake I have and then I'm going to score him anyway. I think he has some heavy artillery ready to some sound bites or maybe some gestures. He was going to get him in a punch in one way or another. - Once he found out about the rugby, he's like, this guy's going to punch you. - Yeah. - Yeah, this guy plays rugby on some of this. - He would just be like, rugby. It's not a real sport. - Come on. - Every rugby player is just a failed football player, right Drake? - Yeah. - And then the punches will start. - Drake gets shot. - Yeah. - This was a woe. - I like the camera too where Keaton comes, Keaton turns off the lights and he's in the background. - Great shot. - Jake, yeah. Do you think, I had this fur unanswered. Do you think he meant to kill him or just throw away? - No, I think he meant to name him 'cause I think the entire point is that. - He wants to think his identity or what? - The first con is supposed to be, I will basically get this house as payment for the debts that they're going to owe me, right? - Yeah. - The civil complaint that I have. And then he's just going to sell the house for nothing. Like, and make like whatever the profit is for that. But then I think as it goes on, it becomes more of an identity theft thing. - What do you think of? - Well, I think, yeah, he shoots him by accident and then he plants the crowbar. But I'm glad Chris said that because I think even watching it now as an adult, it's a little hazy exactly what Carter's end game is. I've watched and I'm like, what is the plan? Like, he strips the apartment and I think maybe he sells all the light fixtures and the tile or something. - Yeah, I think he, for him, it's like all cash business. I just need moving around money. But I don't know that he is like, this score will set me up. Like, I think he's addicted to like being on the run and addicted to this kind of terror. - I have the answers. - What do you got? - He destroys the place 'cause he's a fucking sociopath who smokes cigarettes with the windows up in his collar. He fully intends to win a civil suit against Drake and get the house. - Yeah. - And then he'll just flip the house. - But then start at life there. He's gonna flip it. - No, he's gonna flip it and move to the next city. - Right. - Yeah. - It's just like way easier ways to make a $200,000. - Definitely. You have to get the shit kicked out of you. - Look at Patty. - She's a fucking equestrian teacher. - Right. - There's something in it. - Flies of kites. - Patty's seen that Carter destroyed the place. - Yeah, she's really upset about it. - It's a good scene. - All of her light gestures. - It's Malian Griffith's best work in the movie followed by her meeting the tenant that she didn't rent to because her boyfriend is a casual racist. - My favorite part of the movie, Patty spies on Carter for the day and somehow gets into his hotel room. This 15, 10 minutes, whatever it is. - I wish there was like three more things like this. - Honestly, this could have been the whole movie. - Yeah. - She does like the full Kevin McHouister. I'm just gonna order everything to room service. Give me the Caesar Cremberlay. She's like having a shopping spree. And it's as your audience, you've been waiting for 90 minutes for this. It's very satisfying. - Do you know what day Greg's not in happy head? Know that he loves this part. - Best scene in the movie. I was easily the most relashable scene. The whole thing with the maid, they're like, if you find it a little ridiculous, that Carter keeps his entire biography and newspaper clipping for this suitcase. - What were you looking at from hell, that everybody does. - Yeah, that was fatal attraction created it. And now that she's appearing from hell month, you have to keep the scrapbook. - But you know what remind me of was Jean Triple Horn's move in the firm where she goes down to the Kamens with the apron. - Yeah. - And like I thought it would have been great if Patty was like, Carter, you're the fucking man. Take me with you on your next score. And like try to seduce a little bit. - But you know, basically was always just trying to build a case against him, yeah. - That's for the Apple scripted series. - It's gonna happen from this. - I learned that from this scene, the maid always lets you in in any movie. If you try this in real life, they're like, I'm sorry, sir. I can't do that. - This is great. - You're gonna have to go back down a lot. Her excuse is like, I can't get into my room. Like it's like, you're in the 10th floor, just go down and get a fucking key. - Also, what's the-- - The maid always falls for her to the movies. - Like, what is with her leaving, then taking back, then leaving a little bit of cash for the maid? - She's trying to decide how much Carter owes her versus the maid. - I think she was like, I'll do a good deed for this lady. And then she's like, oh yeah, we're broke. I'm about to lose my house. - I do think that's it. It was just such a weird thing to add. She was like, why do I want to give the maid all of them? - Yeah, she's a good person. - Bill, this is like, this is one of those things that happens in movies in not in real life. Like when you go into a bar and say, I'll have a beer. You have to say the name of the beer. I recently had this in a hotel like six months ago where I was locked out and I asked the maid, I was like, can you please let me in. Here's my idea, here's everything. And this lady was going to war. She, no matter what I said, she would not let me in. It's just, and maybe it happened in 1997. - Any hotels can be like, you're fired if you'd better do that. - You gotta go downstairs. I don't have, I can't let you in, yeah. - I know. - I like that. I like when people go nuts in a bad guy's hotel room, which she does when they flip out. The scrapbook of his evil work is especially good. It's probably the best scrapbook we've had. - Yeah. - Perfectly cut newspaper clippings. Hey, here's when I lost out the family to take to my brother. - It's just like so weird because it's like, if you're Carter, it's not like you've forgotten what you've done. - Right, you have all these pictures. Here's me and my twin brother in a chimpanzee. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's probably when he started losing his mind. It also, listen, you have, Tom Sizemore calls guys slick in prison, changing the entire plot of the movie, and you have-- - Yeah, and Danforth unlocks the entire thing. - Come on. He left the scrap back with his real name on the back in the middle of the trash departments. That's like the slick equivalent here. - I like when she takes the chocolate. - Yeah. - She earned that chocolate. - Hold that whole scene is just great. Then the final fight scene. - You crossed the line. - Yeah. - The nail gun, call back to the nail gun. - Very scary. - It just had stopped working for her. And then we get the Alan Rickman. There's Bruce Willis right there. Bruce Willis staring at CR. Just looking, staring him down. We get the fall backwards. Even though he's just in a kitchen. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Going backwards. Just put your hands behind you. Our guy, Matthew Modie, another interview he did, 2020. - What's he got now? - Come on. - I think the movie would have made a load more money if at the end when Michael Keaton fell in the spikes. If he'd started to pull himself up, and I'd reached out from where I was below him and pulled him back down onto them. Because he shot me, he's beating me in the golf club, he's ruined my life, he's destroyed my apartment. The audience really wanted my character Drake Goodman to get one back at him. - To be fair to him, man. I do all due respect to Matthew Modie. - Come on. - Do you think anyone in the history of movie going would be like, yeah, it was a pretty good movie until the very end when Drake Goodman finally dupal and pales him and everybody is like, I gotta go out and see that for myself. - I don't think I'd load more money because of that. - I think more people would have wanted Drake Goodman to die at the end of the movie. I wish he had died from the golf club beating. - I hate Drake Goodman. - I guess I should say this now. My weak link of the film, I think Carter's death is fucking horrible. I think the whole scene is so lame. You do get Chekhov's nail gun, but you don't get that killed with it. And can we just, can we walk through what Drake's plan was here? He's just been beaten with a golf club in his bullet wounds. He's gonna go underneath the room in the hand chance that there's some glory hole he can reach through and do a Brazilian leg lock to trip him. And that final shot is like something that Nordberg would do. It looks ridiculous. I think the let last scene is bad. - It's the worst part of the movie. I agree. - They did not end it. - I also think he's kinda holding onto his leg and keep looking down. Just kick your leg. - Yeah, stop his fingers. You guys really injured. - Yeah, just like Curtis arm. He's like, whoa! (laughing) - As though it had a reaction. - It's like they shot Keaton thinking he was gonna fall out a window but then the actual reality is he just falls under the floor. - It would have been better if he just put his hand up and trip them and then he felt like face first on the thing. - It felt through the floor down to Modine or something. - Imagine Hans Gruber instead of falling 50 stories just fell down on the ground. - Yeah. - That's what it is. - Like Drake was hiding underneath the floor and then he just lets a kite out at the line. - Oh, yeah. - Just cut out his lips. - He's got a kite with razor blades on it. - I'm always upset that nobody says anything in this final moment. - Yeah, I know. - Like he's a lot, Carter's alive for 20 seconds staring at you. Like that's when you get in your line. That's when you put a cockroach on his face. - You get it, yeah. - Or you're gonna just be like, you're evicted. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yes. - We've rejected you. - Your rent is. his past dude. Yeah. Say goodbye to that security deposit asshole. Yeah, it's perfect. Honey, call the angry black guy. We have a vacancy. Hotel room is the best scene. That's the most rewatch. No brainer. What's the most 1990 thing about this movie, Kyle Brent? You know, sometimes when you're just lying on the couch riddled with bullet wounds, you just need to bang out some sound garden at MTV and just return it the fuck up. And it'll just take you where you need to go. Yeah. I self-satisfying and that's just like I'm just cozy. Yeah. And it's just it's rocking out early sound garden. It's this song called Hands All Over. It's Metal is Hell. He should be watching like prices right or something like. No, MTV sound garden like turned up to 11. It makes me so happy. Yeah. An MTV video of a grunge song that they probably wouldn't have played in 1989 or 1990. Yeah. I don't think that one's playing with just all the banking and tenant application stuff waiting for wire transfers. And then also this is now become a tenant of from hell movies, letters of reference again. It's just like, Hey, I have this letter of reference. Well, it's airtight. We better just get this guy in the apartment. Well, how about here's a phone number of my previous landlord. Yeah. It's just some lady having a cigarette. Yeah. Carter's great. Yeah. I had to give him money to just to be here. Yeah. You don't have an address for him. Do you? Yeah. That's a red flag. I also had a drink being kind of blown away by Carter having a car alarm. Oh, yeah. He's just like, whoa. He dunked on him. Are you from the future? I had buying a huge San Francisco three story house for $750,000,000, although $1.9 million adjusted for today's money. Yeah. Eber calling this a horror film for Yuppies. Anyone working for a designer kite company, I feel like that has to specifically be 1989 or 90. Yeah. And then that's real like Earth Day kind of vibes. Yeah. You know, like we're just going to go outside to the park, not being able to Google your bad guy tenant. I'm just going to check out this Carter. Hey, see if there's anything online and then Melanie's haircut. Yeah. Come on. It's just. Come on, Belle. You waited long enough. That's the way. It's very specific to the that 8990. It's, I want some life in it. It's like a bob. My wife kind of liked it, but it's kind of a bob. I don't know if it exists two years later. I think she goes shorter. Yeah. Um, and it's just very specific to that era. And I don't know why or her clothes in general are very late 80s, 1990s. Um, so excited. This is my favorite category. The Floyd Gandali butter on my ass. Lollipops on my mouth award for something I just enjoy. I'll go first. Okay. I love in movies like this when people do over the top rich guy stuff. And it's like the most kushade rich guy thing you could possibly do. In this case, Carter Hayes, I know his next score picks up the wealthy lady in this giant mansion. What are we going to do? An idea. Um, I'm going to put a sweater over my shoulders. I have a yacht, little three hour yacht trip and let's drink some champagne and just seem super rich together. But nobody in the planet does this in real life. Not one in a movie though. Great. Champagne yacht trip. Captain, take us out. Yeah. My sweater. I'm going to make sure my sweaters. Nobody does this. Kyle. He definitely had lobster and caviar too. That's what you do back in the day. Lifestyles are the rich and famous. What's your great, great pull. First of all, I haven't thought about anything for the last five minutes. Then ways that Carter Hayes could suffer a kite death. That's, that's all I want in life. I feel like maybe there, maybe see how there could have been like a key or something like Benjamin Franklin, like another famous cater. That's all I want was a cart that Floyd Gendoli things. I just enjoy. I really enjoy Orkin's presence in this movie. Very good. Bob, the sidekick of the Joker and the Batman movie shows up and built this is probably in half as internet. The Orkin company sued and how they were portrayed in this movie because I have this vision that there's like a VP of marketing who goes to the CEO and it's like, sir, I really think we should write the check for this Matthew Modine movie. I think we want to be in it. They go to the premiere. They're sitting there like, here's the scene. Here's the Roaches. Here it comes. And then it's this idiot, bumbling Barney five more on who's like, I guess they have to step on them. They can't do anything. And then I feel like the Orkin people went to the premiere and at the after party, they were at the same table as the Marriott people and they Marriott people. Yes, movie was great. We love how we were portrayed. The manager with all the balls to stand up to the, we love it. And the Orkin people were furious. That gives me great amusement. It's pretty good. It is. Yeah. What was that guy? What what Tracy Walter? He's in repo man. He's in Batman. Yeah. I had it. He's in the labs. Yeah. He's one of those guys. What do you have? Oh, just any any movie where a car pulls up to the top of the hill in San Francisco as it's going home to like, it's just like those shots of those hills. It's just always like, yeah, this movie can be about anything. What's age the best other than anyone asking a trusty maid to let them into a hotel room? That is theirs. Always works. I always get excited when it happens. Never can happen in real life. What do you have for what's age the best guy? I already kind of mentioned that the patty is just so much smarter than Drake. I like that. Yeah. And he's like a total dick to her and she just sees over it. And then on the same related note, I just want to give some respect to Melanie Griffiths jeans in this movie. They're like the fourth lead of the film. They're they're up there. I mean, they're up to her armpits. They're belted. They're frosted. I can't take my eyes off them. Her final shot in the movie is up the stairs walking. Oh, it's just fantastic. And I love her jeans in this movie, G N E S and J E N S. That's right. I would say what's age the best. Probably just the idea of like the beta trying to fight the alpha like Drake being pit against a guy who has everything that he does in and everything comes. He's more easily to that guy rugby beta. Yeah, rugby beta with a con man alpha. So I really enjoyed that. I have music by Hans Zimmer. Yeah, yeah. Hans is like, yeah, I'm not doing anything that week. I could whips up the together. Okay, I'll work on it. Casual rental racism coming back to Burnt and Landlord. Yeah. So what's age the best? Scrapbook with someone's evil past. I had for another Beverly angel nude scene. It's like Devon Hester with kickoff touchdowns. It's like he did it again. 98 yards. And this was like the Super Bowl because he does it on the first play like right out of the gate. And Jim Nance can't believe it. He's done again. How many times can he do this? You don't kick the Hester. Oh, that's great. Bev Smoking. I had for you, CR. Yeah. A positive spin for the most part of being a landlord. Usually landlords and movies are evil people. They're evil landlords. Yeah. They think they're as characters. He's like, ah, the fucking landlord or he's creepy or he's spying on them. It's like a stepmother. It's always evil. Yeah. Tippy Hedren as for Tippy Hedren as Florence Peters. And that's Melanie Griffiths. Melanie Griffiths real life mom. And then I have for what's age the best, this exchange. Oh, that's a great idea, Patty. You're pregnant with a blown knee. My knees fine. And I don't have to be pregnant. Oh, yeah. That's it in the script. Yeah. But also like unbelievable. Patty threatening to go, go pro again in a question writing like, what kind of money are we talking? Gonna make the mortgage? The nationals are coming up. And he's like, you know, no, it could be an Olympic sport any year now. The Steven Seagulls shooting on himself for word for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot Kyle alluded to this earlier. Look, this is on the internet. Not positive. It's true. But I'm going to pass a lot anyway because it's great. Modine stated during her presentation at the New York Film Academy that he experienced significant difficulty working with Melanie Griffith. He noted her frequent complaints regarding her menstrual cycle as a primary memory of their professional interaction. I don't know if that's true or not. It's so fucking weird that I had just some passing a lot. Met judging. As the other side of that's amazing is that around when when Melanie Griffith was shooting Bonfire the Vanities. Okay. She complained openly about how difficult the production Pacific Heights was. Do you know how fucked up Pacific Heights most have been to have been complaining about it during making Bonfire right? What happened to this movie? And that's the world where he's out there. I'm not getting along with Melanie Griffith. Should he say their core about the menstrual cycle like in character is Drake Goodman? Like that's I don't know. I hope that's not true. Maybe it's not true. I'm going to pass it. It is just for comedy sake. That's it. Sure. Again, the Steven Seagal category is like we don't know if that happened where he shit on himself. That's how he passed them along. We're going to take one more break and then we're going to do Gritchock order. Gritchock order award. What do you have? See our most cinematic shot. Yeah. So I've got Drake dropping his mail in the mailbox and then the curtain subtly opening behind him. But I'd like to introduce a wrinkle to this category today. Yeah. And it's called pass the settle down juice. We've got a thirsty director award. Yes. Do it. I know what it is. The random $360 shot of Patty and the lawyer having a pre-normal conversation in when Lori McCaff and Melanie Griffith are just like, yeah, this guy is going to try and get you out of the house because that's That's what he does. He tries to wait, and meanwhile the fucking camera is going around and around. Like it's like they just found Jake Lamatta there. It's really, you love settle down, juice. Yeah. That's good one. I like that. I have this written down that if one of these guys chooses the 360 shot for the great shot, Gordon, we're going to fight I hate that shot. I feel like I'm on a carnival ride. I get sick and they're treating this banal conversation like it's a pichino in the ocean and the insider, like just screaming into the phone. I know. The drama doesn't match the shot. It's easy. The only time it works is when Keaton's flipping out at the end of the hotel manager because he's flipping out and they start moving around. That's what I agree. The other one didn't work. I had the ice cube falling in the hotel. Oh, that was awesome. I thought it was a really good one where it flips that she's going out the door. It's just, I was impressed. Chess Walkwell, Brocklander's the world best character name. Carter Hayes. No, you guys got to dig. Drake Goodman. You got to dig deeper here, guys. What do you got? What do you got, Chris? Smith Manfred Beagle. That's his name. You imagine this guy's name is high end sale. That's the actor. And he's been in a bunch of Woody Allen movies or whatever, but you think he's like, gets a call and they're like, I need you to complete a coin, a quarter point of blocksmith. And he's like, for Christ's sake, I don't know. And they're like, his name is Manfred Beagle and he's like, I'm there. What's my call time? What the guys think that was onion or everything? The screenwriter was definitely eating a bagel when he wrote that kid because he just had nothing. Well, there's something in the thing where they say Patty's last name a couple of time in the movie. And then the credits. It's a different last name. Oh, for real? I assume it's just that oversight. Oh, wait a second. Hold on. Is it possible that his name is Beagle because he deals with locks? Maybe. Oh, it's like a nickname. It's a lock. Yeah. But like, the, like, the martial is very, like, official about like, he's like, uh, very official. It blocks him if Manfred Beagle. He does everything to happen is the word best needle drop. Go ahead, Kyle. Well, I already mentioned Soundgarden. There's an awesome part where when Drake gets back to the house and the cars being taken apart. And there's just this crazy heavy metal plane. Yeah. I want to shout out to a band called Hallows Eve and 80's Thresh band from Atlanta who plays lethal tendencies. And it makes Drake even matter. It's like a trap that he walks in. That metal song, which by the way, I know that son kind of music pretty well. I literally downloaded Shazam and held it to my TV because I couldn't find out what song that was. And it's like, oh, easy, lethal tendencies. Hallows Eve. Got it. That's why my wife has been doing that to like random trance songs that are on, like, actually, like, what is this? And I'm like, it's like literally music. Right. Right. I wrote down this is for later, but did this movie create grunge music here? No. But that's a good, good bit. Drake Goodman, listen to Soundgarden. Was that it? That was even your hottest take. That was ground zero. He is, he is, you could tell he's starting to explore, like, I've got a scarf on, like ironically. Yeah. I think they moved to Seattle. You're probably right. And they really get into this. Well, Soundgarden, what? A year later, they're playing birth ritual and singles. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a just beat it. Then at these Benihano word for scene stealing location and the Amanda Dovins award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Where this house was. Do you think this house is a good piece of real estate? I like that. It's at the top of the hill like that because there are a lot too. I think it's weird to live on those steep hills. Did you know anybody who did that? No. My buddies, uh, Bishop Mike and Hopper when they lived there, they lived like in the middle of a slanted hill. I was thought it was just weird. Yeah. Um, I do want to mention the Beverly Hills house from the lady that his next mark, 1014 North Crescent, 30.3 million on Redfin right now. Yeah. How much? 30.3. Wow. I mean, it looks fucking huge. It was a big house. That's the fucking big. That's the white whale for Carter. He must be like if I get this one, it's all over. I just like don't so he's like in San Francisco trying to scam somebody into an apartment. And then he's also in LA trying to get a 30 million. We like to have two going. Yeah. Nobody has to take his mom's identity to go after her, right? Yeah. Okay. Is that you always want to have the next one going? Yeah. Yeah. It's like Sam Presti. You got like two trades going at once. Could this movie have had a better title? Well, it could. It would have been the tenant, but Roman Polanski made that movie. Broken lease. You never breaks it. I just, I think it's eviction. It's Pacific Heights. What percentage of the viewing populace even knows what Pacific Heights is in reference to? It's very vague. Can you deposit? I have the winner. It's off of what Kyle just said. A Viction Quest. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's an unofficial Vision Quest sequel. A Viction Quest. A C.R. You have a flex category. There's a Jesse Eisenberg. That's good. You should be proud of that right there. Don't worry if you don't make it any further reward for the best line reading is when Keaton first meets Modi and he's like, I spoke to your wife about studio apartment. He goes on. My girlfriend. He's like, sorry. We don't want to rush anything. Do we? There's a really good line reading file. Yes, it is. My actual flex is to turn it back to you guys. It's the Van Lathen. How would Van Lathen get out of this one? Probably this is sex adjacent, but how would you guys handle this? Okay. Kerry comes to you and she's like, you know, it's going to be lonely without Van here. Let's get a tenant. Next thing you know, he's changed the box like, what's your first move? I think it's a lot easier now with with camera funds. Okay. Like, part of the problem is they can't capture the drilling at 2 30 in the morning. And I think we also have more awareness of what to do as the landlord in this. Yeah. If they're in there and they're not paying, I feel like you could immediately get the police in. If he hasn't paid anything, and it didn't seem like he had a signed lease. He signed the lease. There's no money. It was all predicated on like, I'm going to sign the lease, you know, I'm going to send you six months right? That's why he was legally, that's why he had the rights to live there because he signed the lease. Yeah. And he was just like, oh, there's a problem. There's a mix up at the bank. If you're Bill, I feel like you got to bring him like a big dom security guy who just sits out every time he comes home. He's like, hey, Carter, where's that money? Yeah. This is, this is where I bring in Gahau. Okay. So Kyle, you got to handle. Oh, you got to do that. Gahau. Do your thing, man. Gahau. Kyle's talking to the tenant right now. Kyle, how would you handle it? Does the tenant, Chris, just indulge me this? Does the tenant work for a private trust? It's one that he cannot say to tell you who the private trust is for. Yeah. Listen, the biggest idiot thing that they do this, they wait way too long to call the police. The second Greg is slamming the door in your face. We got to get the fuck out here. Because you need a record of feuding with the guy that you got to then go forward. Yeah. I'd answer your question, Chris. I would rather have like reptile pets in my house than have an actual renter. So I don't think I'd be in this, but I'd call the police early if I did. Here's my thing. Yeah. What do you have? Kill him with kindness. Every night down there with a six pack of anger. Do you feel like, hey, Carter, I just want to know if you want to come up to there's Rick Rochelle's picture and giants are looking pretty good. Nope. Okay. See you tomorrow night. I feel like Rick Moranis from Ghostbusters. Red wee championships are on. Hey, Carter. Welcome over. I'm in the water. My rugby team. Nope. Yeah. No, okay. All right. Well, I'll talk to you later, bud. I would just act like me and Carter were best friends. You know what you do, Chris? You're going to, you're going to have a Weber grill too and you can put some ribs on there out front. And Carter, do you want some medium rare? Come out there. That's Ronnie Locke. Looking real good. This season Carter. Bring Greg too. Yeah. Well, the other move is when he's not there, you just figure out a break into the place. Yeah. Which is a way better strategy than what he tried to do of turning, turning the lights off and the power off and all that. That's like the one no-no because now you're violating him. Now you're the back. Yeah. Okay. Couldn't you just get in, change the locks again. So then Keaton, couldn't you back in? You could. Yeah. And then you could say like, well, I don't at least agree with what he mean. He's never paid me. Which is girlfriend award for weak link of the film. So you already did yours, Kyle. Yeah. The last scene, his death scene sucks. But you know, it doesn't suck. Chris Ryan referencing big daddy Rick Russel of the San Francisco just. I loved Rick Russel. Give up a whole run to bow in the all-star game. What do you got, Bill? So Carter, Carter Hayes. I have him as the best six inning starter ever as a villain in a movie. He can only throw 18 pitches. He looked unstoppable. He's basically. He's six. People are texting each other like you watching Carter Hayes right now. Yeah. So 18 straight outs. Yeah. 10 strike outs. No walks like this guy's on fire. Fucking falls apart. In order, um, he fucks up and shoots Drake. I still don't understand what we talked about. He shot Drake and put the crowbar in his hand. But why? What did that? What did that get him? Uh, I think he's trying to drive Drake mad so that he is gone from the situation and he can take over the house. Just killing them. Yeah. I didn't understand though. He leaves the childhood photo behind. You're getting out of there. You have time to pack up it. You're leaving this incredible clue. He moves to L.A. and stupidly sends a postcard from his new hotel to his ex-girlfriend who's been looking for him who hates him. Yes. Do that. And then he becomes Drake Goodman in the hotel. Like, that's your second guess after his Carter Hayes here. No. If he stole Drake's identity, he was Drake Goodman here. He sure is. Room 1030 Wood. Um, I just, I thought he played this perfectly and then it just fell apart. It's a bummer. Yeah. Bill, I'm looking at like, like Mark Prior for the Cubs in the Steve Bartman game. It just completely doesn't include it. When, when Carter Hayes is sprinting down the avenue of the stars chasing a cab, I feel bad for him. That's beneath him as the starter. You got to get him out of there. Yeah. - Now he's like giving up nine earn runs. It's like, oh my god, I got him out. It's got to know where his ZRA is going to go up. Did you have a week link or no? - No, not really. I liked Lori Metcalf's performance, but I think it would have been cool to have like a harder charging lawyer. Like a little bit more aggressive. Maybe he gets killed by Carter. - The Mallory Rubin Award I threw in for did this movie need a better sex scene? I take two more. I don't think this movie has enough sex in it. - No. - I really think they should have ramped it up. Carter should have brought some gall home to the destroy department one day. - If you're going to throw that in in the first three minutes, that can't be it. Like you're trying to set a tone, and then you think you throw the angel or trust me. This is the whole movie is going to be like this. - It's an unanswered bubble. Why did she demand to take her name out of the credits? I thought that was weird. - Yeah, unbuilt. - She's like Kevin Spacey in seven. - She's like a fourth leader of the movie basically. - What's up? - I bail, I zag on this actually. I actually, it's like, did this movie need a worse sex scene because that sex scene is so good. I'd rather stay out in the desert with the two of them. - Right. - We go and check out these guys and sex. - I'm more intrigued by that. - That's like they're out in white sands. Like I would love to know what was going on here. - Yeah, that's pretty weird. What stage is the worst? I thought the first scene just in general is pretty bizarre. Like those guys come in, they beat him up, but not really, he's fine and what lesson did he learn? And like, why didn't they like break his arm? I didn't get that. - So are those people sent by the original Carter Hayes? Like those guys? Is the idea that he has stolen Carter Hayes' identity and now those guys are coming after him? - Yeah. - But then he stole one because he retained that apartment in Pierce. - Yes, that's he need to be in the movie. I think it's more interesting if he just shows up. It shows how desperate he is. It shows his lifestyle and it immediately gives you a little violence and sex. I kind of like to see it actually 'cause it's confusing, but it tells him he's mysterious. - I would take more violence and maybe he shows up in his arms and in cast or something. - Remember the shot at the very beginning of the movie? They're like two guys driving on the road. - Yeah, that's the guys with the baseball bat. - Oh, that's just the two guys. - Yeah, they're going out to beat him up, yeah. The photo of him and his brother in a chimpanzee. What's going on there? - This is what's the worst. - Yes. - What's going on there? - I don't know. They look like they're a Neverland Ranch. Very strange photograph. - Johnny Charles, oh man, pose with the chip. - Yeah. - When have you ever been in a situation where you can take a photo of the chimpanzee? - At the end of the movie, what is it? - Every which way, but loose. - Cars like I have responsibilities. I have to take care of my brother. What is that about? - And his brother, it's established. Toked to the estate in disowned him. - Yeah. - I thought that, so that Shazam song you did, this is my other words, Age of Worse. I just would have put in Dinosaur Jr. there. They're sitting right there. - Oh, I like it. - It's kind of like a real man. - They're not really famous yet. They need it. - Yeah. - You know, they have an album out that year. - Yes, it's in you. - Well, I thought that could have worked. What did you have for what's Age of Worse? - I think there's like some moments where Hans Zimmer is doing, we have to save the earth from an astronaut music. - Yes. - But it's just like, these two guys are just like nailing two by fours. I don't think it's that dramatic. - Yeah, that one too turned it down. - And I thought the combined income of a couple made up of Kite maker and a horse riding instructor doesn't even get to the 20% down for the 750K. So there must either have been a family nest egg in there and I'd like to know which one of them was spending it. - Yep. - By the way, that would have been a good yuppy angle of like somebody's saying, I don't wanna have to ask my mom for money. - I mean, if you ask me, Drake Goodman screams family of lawyers, he's going his own way. - Rick and Kites. - What happened to Drake? I heard he graduated from Harvard. (laughing) So, you know, Kites are really taking off right now. And Drake thought this luxury Kite business. Oh, thought he was gonna be an attorney. - No, it's going in the Kite route. Big Kite company. - He's a really seasonal business too. - He loves Kites. He's gonna do another round of seed investing. (laughing) If you're in for the series B, let me know. What are you up for with Sage Dwarves, anything Kyle? - I got a young woman named Patty. You just don't see that anymore. - Yeah. - I hate when Realtor will bring you to a place that is over your stated price range. I think it's 30 pool. It happens here. But most importantly, guys, is it entirely necessary to have Mr. Watanabi doing Tai Chi in the rain in front of the bonsai trees? - Casually racist movie. - What are we doing? The only thing that's missing is that in the final scene when they're fighting Carter, Watanabi comes back and does karate and does a kick. And it's like 1990, we get it. The man is Japanese. We don't need the Tai Chi in the bonsai trees. It's a little heavy of that. - And he being like, "I will pay you back somehow." And it's like, how about I just find out? - They're all following their constantly bowing in terrible situations. I'm out of here, trying to suit me. - I've made you some sushi. - Yeah, what else could he have done now? What have been? - Yeah, I didn't even clock that. How did I not have that in my notes? - That's a Tai Chi. - There's practically a gong there. It's just, come on guys, we get it. He's Japanese. - Hans Gruber's scale of villain ranking. Carter Hayes, I think 8.0. - He's pretty high up there. - He's a terrifying what if? Like what if this happened to you? - What do you got, guys? - With 10 B and Hans Gruber and one B in the passenger, 57 guy. Here's what it hurts Carter. - And three toy soldiers. - Toy soldiers is three, maybe two. - Two sudden death. Carter doesn't kill anybody in the movie, which is kind of unusual. And he doesn't give us the big ole. Here is my man of best though. This system is working against me. And he does a little with my guy to take care of my brother, but a tenant of the Gruber's scales. You got to cook for a while and just tell everybody what you're all about. - So you have one monologue short. Yeah, I love the character, but on this particular scale, he's at best a six. - I like to, during that speech where he's like, you liked it, didn't you? Like living, it's kind of endangeredously. - No. - Ruffalo Hannah Rubin, a partridge over acting word. We don't even need to really go in as a partridge. - So what about it here? (laughing) - I had Modine five Budweiser drunk acting. - Yeah, yeah. It's all the candy. If we did it as Oscars and there were five nominees, it's like, and Matthew Modine and Matthew Modine, and we would just be five different. - When he turns off the utilities and does that dance, it's like the worst end zone dance you've ever seen that like, it's an offensive line when he picks up a fumble and does one. I cannot believe they chose to keep that in the movie, but they did. - Yeah, what's your flex category? - I have a new category. - Oh. - I have the Pacific Heights Ice Cube Award for Excellence in Intimacy Coordination. That move that they do to start it in which Beverly DeAngelo takes an ice cube out of the glass into her mouth, passes it directly to Carter Hayes' mouth. He then takes it and rubs it all over her back and then she goes, so gentle. Like, that is an unbelievable thrilling sequence. And my question to you guys, did it say in the script, she removes the ice, tongues in into his mouth. - This is like two great artists. - You were just like, let's just explore this. - Like, you know what, long day on the set? - Let's make something happen here. And there's two people whose reactions I want to that scene. One is Chevy Chase who watched that scene. He's like, "Allen!" And he probably pushed for that shit in Vegas vacation. And then I want Puccino's reaction, which I guarantee was, "Uha!" And he like wanted her number and the message that they had together. 'Cause that is so sexy. And I just, I love that they went for that. - Baby, you are on fire. - Fire. - It's kind of the Peter Northward a little bit, most effort put into a scene. - Yeah. - Right, oh yeah. - Absolutely. - The ice cube exchange is against gravity, which is even more impressive. It doesn't go down from the top of the bunch. - Yes, correct. - Up against gravity. Very impressive. - Impressive. - There's some such shit in the full backwards. - I think it's all at the, you do. - I think this is a P-13 movie. - And it wasn't just for the last menu. - Yeah, let's fuck around here. - Let's try something here. Let's just roll with it. Just keep rolling. Let's do this. And it's just awesome. - So would you call that the Pacific Heights? - The Pacific Heights ice cube award for excellence in intimacy coordination. - Not bad. I'm gonna add it. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take award? - I didn't really have one except for maybe like, I think Pat, he should have given like five minutes of thought to sticking with Carter and becoming the new Ann. - Yeah, that's pretty hot. - First of all, he shows that he's willing to get his hands dirty when it comes to remo renovations and demolitions. - Yeah. - And also like, this is a guy with plans and ambitions. He's not content just sitting around doing kite making. - It's pretty good. - I like that your pivot now is that people should stay with the crazy person in the front. - Yeah, that's a good one. - It seems like DeMourne is just got it all thing for that. - Shall we be worried that CR assided with the From Hell character and every movie? - It's called Ice Take. - Come on. - I have, I think I learned more about Leonard, landlord, tenant rights from this movie than any human being in my life. Any story? - Yeah. - I think this movie was incredibly impactful and doesn't get it's just do. I can't think of another situation, movie, TV, real life that taught me more than this did in 102 minutes. And that's it. What do you got, Kyle? - It's incredible. They, once they get in, they have the right to do process. And that's expensive and long. And I completely agree with you. I would watch this to learn about that exact crime. Mine is really close to Chris's. This is a better movie if the huge twist at the end is that Carter and Drake are working together. - Whoa. - When Melanie is up in the hotel room. She's slipping through the document. She comes across her boyfriend's face. - A photo of them together. - And he's the brother. - Yes. - His name is not Drake Goodman. He's been working on this for months. Remember, they're not married. And they make a point of saying they're not married like five or six different times. So this is relatively new. And I think that they're in cahoots and in tandem. The fight was kind of staged. I think Drake Goodman. - Drake Goodman, the arm. - Yeah, twice the arm. I think Drake Goodman caused the miscarriage. Like all kinds of things. But the terror in her face when she finds out, oh my god, they're in on it together. That's a better movie. - I could even have he decides he's gonna be a luxury kite maker as to throw people off the sand. - And Carter's like, "No one will ever believe that." - And you play rugby. This is crazy. Will people believe this? That's really good. She could have held the photo up and been like. - Yes. - Casting what ifs. I only have one. Christopher Reeve really wanted to be Carter Hayes. Lobby the director. And sadly for Christopher Reeve, Keaton was Batman and wanted to be the movie. And that was a wrap for Christopher Reeve. - So they wanted this movie. - They wanted Superman or Batman. Like that's pretty cool. - Amazing two choices. Who would have been the third person? - I heard Toby McGuire wanted to do it. But he was like 10 years old. - Yeah, they couldn't. - Well, look at the best stack I category. It's fucking stacked. - Yeah it is. - We have Dan Hedea. - We have. - Mrs. Wat Navi played by Nobu McCarthy. Mr. Miyagi's long lost love and cry to kid too. You cry to kid too guy, Kyle? - Hell yes, I am. A beautiful story. The instruments at the end. I love it. Fortune. I'm into it. - Daniel son, this time that for points for life. - Yep. - Carl Lumbry. Lumbly. Carl Lumbly. Cagney Lacey cast member. - I also played Bobby Ciel and just kind of some of the Falcons and the Winter Soldier stuff, yeah. Jerry Harden playing Bennett Fidlow. He might know him from X-Files in the firm. And then you mentioned Tracy Walters, the cockroach exterminator. Sadly none of these people win. - I got to go Dorian Harwood. - I don't know if he's a that guy. I think he was famous at one point. - Which guy's he Chris? - He's the one buddy that he has. - He's the one buddy he has. - That's pretty good though. - He's also nice. I haven't winning because he played eight ball in Full Middle Jacket. So he and Bodina were in the same squad in Full Middle Jacket. - Oh that's good. Mine's not on the list either though. I have two more. - Okay, go do it, do it, do it, do it. - Nicholas Pryor is the hotel manager. You know him as the risk business dad and more importantly Chancellor Arnold from Nine or two and L. My winner is Luca Berkovici. - Yeah. - Who played a muzzin in American flyers with Kevin Costner and the bad guy Biker and is just a home run in that movie and then really never kind of bounce around after that. - This is a good time to ask, what is Greg's utility here? Like Carter can't do that demolition himself. - He's helping out with ruining the apartment for no reason. - He's like a myth fiction. - Carter needed a hand doing that. It's a studio apartment. - Needed some help. - Okay. - What did you have Kyle? - I had Hal Landon Jr. when they go and do the locksmith to finally get in. The officer there with the pattern baldness. He's Ted's dad from Bill and Ted's excellent adventure and that's like the only thing I've ever seen him in. Deputy Van Halen, they has one scene in this the year later. That was my guy. But these are a lot of excellent choices. - Really loaded category. I think my favorite is probably Mr. Miyagi's long lost love and cry to kids. - I do too. - You know Satou kind of fucked up their relationship. I felt like. - DM Waiters Award. I can offer you Beverly D'Angelo, the Watanabe's or the cockroach exterminator. - I'll do it, I'll do it, Bev. - Okay, Bev. - Yeah, she takes it all. - Recasting couch director's city. I can offer you Young Denzel Washten as the tenant that got turned down, right in his range. - I think 1990s, Lily. - Did he famous at that point? - That's post-Glory. - Yeah. - Yeah. - All right, then. - How about Sam Jackson? - Oh. - Oh. - Sam Jackson. - Yeah. - I have Dupalma for this stuff. - Yeah, you're right. Dupalma, doing Pacific Heights would have been fucking awesome. - I'm just, I can't stop staring at Segal shirt. - It's really, it is just right. - It's really great. - And you're so happy to be on the porch. - It also looks like they're together watching the Chicago Bulls, who Kyle had to the left of him. - You never thought you needed Tony Cooke and Mason Storm together, but we got him. - Two big threes in a row. - Half-fessing in research. Carter Hayes drives a 1977 Porsche 9/11 career target. It's a fucking elite car. - It's not really research, it's just respect. - It's just an elite elite car. This is my favorite. I was researching Melanie Griffith. Joanne Woodward told a 17-year-old Melanie on the set of the drowning pool that her goals were to marry a movie star have beautiful babies and win an Oscar. And she did all three. Melanie said she adopted the goals for herself. She married a movie star and had beautiful babies, but never won the Oscar. - Well, it's never too nominated. - Joanne Woodward, who did it? You have a moment at Joanne Woodward moment like that with anyone's CR? - Like where somebody passes along? - James Corden's like, who are my three goals? I'm on a host at Terrible World Cup Soccer Show. Wanna help my own late night show? - Yeah. - What have I done of those? - I don't know, just. - Apex Mountain Keaton. - Yeah, well, this is it. - I'm gonna say yes. - Yeah, I think it is too. - Although it's an example of Apex Mountain being a poison chalice. Sometimes like you make the wrong move from the Apex, yeah? - For sure. - Or the right move. - Sure. - Melanie Griffith, no. Matthew Modins, no. - I think full male jacket. - I think it's the Kubrick movie. - Full male, I'll lead in the Kubrick movie. You gotta do that, yeah. - I'm honestly playing with a razor. Has it ever been done better? - I think of Kevin Spacey cutting his fingertips off. - Oh yeah. - Seven. - And then of course Paulie slicing the garlic, but it's close. - Boy, those are two really good razor. - Racer Shouts. - Better creepy cockroach scene. - I don't know, cockroaches is notoriously difficult to work with on film sets. - What's that stupid movie Joe's apartment? Right, it's Jury O'Connell. Isn't that a cockroach based movie? - Yes. - I must admit this is my hottest takes. Cockroaches, kind of overrated. - Seems super scary to movie, but if you have to, they can't fight. They're just kind of creepy. - I think they're like the scariest thing in the world. I'm gonna kill myself. - Well, they're scary and boring. - If I was Mr. Watanabi, I would have just off to myself. - So wait, you're more scared of roaches than mice? - I don't, I think rats are way more scared than cockroaches. - Yeah. - Roaches, they're infinite. And like they'll never go away. They just breed in your pipes. They've completely freaked out. And a lot of them can fly. What did you get them? - I've had a few roaches in my life, never like an infestation, but I hate 'em. - We had termites in our first LA place. - Oh yeah. - That's-- - Do you have to tent it? - That was bad. - Do you have to tent it? - They just, it's like out of a movie. They start multiplying. You see the wings, the fucking stuff. - Spencer Pratt was like, "We're getting rid of the roaches." He would have had that. (laughing) That's all I had to do. - Look at you, Craig. - San Francisco movie houses, no. We've done this before. Is it Mrs. Doubtfire? - Oh, movie houses. Yeah, Doubtfire and like the stuff in Basic Instinct, all those things. - Yeah, I think full house. - Yeah, full house. - People want to take pictures in front of that. - Portia 9/11 career target, yes, for 77. Evil 10 and some movies, 100%. Annoying Yuppies in a movie, maybe. - No. - And then Casual 90s racism, sadly, no. Okay, cruise or hanks. Like cruise has got to play Carter. - That's it. - That's it. - That's it. - I have responsibilities, Patty. (laughing) - Cruise would have said no until they showed him the last scene. So he's going to run out of the JW Married if he was speedy. - Yeah. - He's like, what? - This would have been cruise. - This would have been like, this is like my Ripley. This is great. - Cruise would have caught them if he was running out of the avenue with the stars. Also, cruise doing the ice cube scene with D'Angelo. This is the same year that he did Days of Thunder and is taking a sweet and low packet up Nicole Kidman's thigh on the inside of it. It's like, those are brother and sister scenes. I think he could have done it. - He could have done half ice cube followed by just them laughing for 20 seconds, right? - Well, there's also just a ton of cocktail. He could have thrown the champagne glass in the air, caught it. - Yeah, what would have been cruise's skill for this? The nail gun? Like, I worked with the nail gun for two months. - No, I think it's mimicry. I think it's becoming different people like steal their identities. - That razor blade, too. He's working that-- - I'm working the blade. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But he has the smoke. - The cockroach crawling on Keaton's fingers. Cruise would have gotten into that. - Yeah, that's good. - The rose from Titanic Award for character who sneaky sucks. I don't know, it's Drake Goodman qualifier. It is the openly suck. - Yeah. - Yeah, he openly sucks, right? - Yeah. - All right, cross that up. Best name for a movie from a racehorse. Best name from movie for a racehorse. Evil tenant. - Sure, I think is a really good Kentucky Derby name. - Jim's a good name. - Jim's a good name. - Not a great name. - Jim's a good name. - Jim's a good name. - Unless you want to go with kite company. It's just a fly. - It's just a kite company. - It's a luxury kite company. - Hey, we don't get to do this too often. - Yeah. - Really, it's for CR. The Dennis Peck relationship test could Dennis have broken up the main relationship? No, but I'll tell you what Dennis would have gotten that guy out of the fucking apartment. They just needed a dirtier cop. That would have been the easiest way to do this. It's just like, get a cop. He's like, I don't give a shit what it says. You're out of here. I think Dennis comes over. The guy's at the kite cup and a job. And what was her name in this paddy? Can't get that guy out, huh? What you got? What would your boyfriend do? Luxury kite company, huh? What are you doing now? Want to get a drink? Yeah, he's in. I think he's in the paddy in two hours. You're like, thread horses. Picking nits. We did a lot of these. Carter moves in without a rental agreement. Wedding Drake just opened the door with his keys and kicked this fucking ass all out before. I think the first thing he does is open the door. Here's an underrated one for picking nits. Yeah. Any time in a movie or TV show, somebody thinks a cat's going to be good luck. Oh, yeah. Never good luck. Just, just, I don't think I've ever seen a thriller where a cat is introduced, but it's like, don't worry about it. Famously bad luck, cats. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if that black cats are bad luck. You move into a place with Liz. If a cat was just outside the door, it looks like I brought this cat in. It would be good luck. You'd be like, get that fucking cat out of here. No. My wife and I currently have a bedding pool on the cat. In the Cape Fear TV show. Oh, yeah. Peanut butter just keeps it there on the counter. I'm like, yeah, peanut butter stuff. Yeah. Carter Hayes's strategy is he's going to drive them in a foreclosure and pick up the property. We think and get it for cheaper. I think that there was a twofold thing. I think it was, there's the initial like, I'm going to drive these people out and then receive the property as like, my civil like settlement. And then when that seems like it's not going to work, it just shoots Drake. I think he still takes that in. Okay. And then how did they restore the house the second time after they'd been clean out and they're living month by month? It looks beautiful. New floors. Maybe the Danforth estate gave them a little bit of money to shut up about it. I feel like she should have had more money from the hotel room. Yeah. That should have been like $75,000 behind. It was like a grand. Like it was a stack of hundreds. Yeah. Not enough. Any other nitpicks? We did most of them. Not really. I mean, we've talked about most of them, but like the identity thief who keeps his entire life story in a suitcase and the con man who sends a postcard with a return address. Yeah. Do you have that in your house here? Like just your scrapbook? Yeah. Spin magazine and gritland. Sequel prequel prestige TV all blackcaster and touchable Apple TV written all over it all over it. I can't believe they haven't done it yet. There was a 2021-22 TV series being kicked around that did a gender swap. So I assume I some Carter would have been a lady. All black cast photo work too. I mean, honestly, prequel would have worked. Sequel absolutely would have worked if you don't kill Carter Hayes and he just gets away Michael Meyer style at the end. I'm in for that. The Carter Hayes Chronicle prequel is good. But all black cast you then have a moment where you're like, I guess you're thinking right now, I should have rented to the white man. It's perfect. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flourist, Zayn Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichol, the owner of the luxury kite company or someone else. What do you have, CR? I just want to say up top, I would pay to watch a movie where this guy tries to pull this on either Wayne Jenkins or Fergie as his landlord. You're going to get out of this house for me. Or I'm going to do you the way I did your brother, that chemical way. But it would be, it would be cool to have Zayn talk to Carter afterwards, like Carter, talk about you've extorted, you've trespassed, and you've identity-thieved. What's next for you, man? What's the next con? And is it all a con? This whole thing life, life a con. What do you have, Kyle? I have, Bill, I feel like I'm going to steal yours right now. But there's a, there's a sliding doors moment when Carter Hayes is running out of the hotel into the street. If he actually goes right, he goes into a ballroom, and the keynote speaker is Dr. Charles Nichol, he's sitting there, and he's like, "Akada, I'm in the middle of the speech." And Carter goes, "You switched off the utilities, didn't you? You switched the utilities. After I shot Drake, you were the only one with the access." Did you, did you, did you evict the water novice, too? Did you? And he's like, "Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, my friend, Carter Hayes, that doesn't see you well." I was going to work with that black guy. Yes, he stole it. The application never came. So enjoy your, your coffee and dessert, and we'll talk, Carter, please. He's there, he's there. He's always there. That's a great one. I thought you knew Gus there. No, I, the Gus wasn't there, but the weird thing about the ballroom is at the end of it, Borat and Azamat running naked, too. Like they did just the place comes down. We couldn't have done a little Ryan Rukko for Carter Hayes falling backwards. Got it. Just one Oscar who gets it. That would have been a good new honor of Modine. Super Nick's fan. Oh, yeah. Just one Oscar who gets it, I guess, Keaton. I guess so. Not Hans Zimmer. Yeah. Probably need some more questions. I only have one. Did these two losers stay together, or was it like a breakup next to one? I want to know how long you guys thought they had been together before this movie. Like, you know, like up to the point of buying the house, is this like one year, one year thing? I think it's really short. I actually had six months. I think they're very impulsive people. Oh, I think it's at least you don't buy a house with somebody. I know two years. Two years. Three years. In 1990. Yeah, it's like year two years, I think at that point. I don't realize. He was with her when she got hurt during the equestrian race. They realized they have absolutely nothing to say to each other after about a week. They don't even have like, like a lunch scene where she was like, I thought I had surprised you at work. Oh, no, they don't seem to like each other that much. She's even kind of like, what are you doing here when he shows up at the horse? They really brought the set into the movie. Memorabilia, most one from the movie Kyle? I want that little model house. I had a car here. It was good, sir. I want to house this cool. The fake Drake Goodman ID stuff. So his, his visa card was the old visa card. Yeah. The old thing. Oh, yeah, passport. Finstock, Mr. Miyagi word, best worst life lesson. I mean, this one has a pretty obvious one. Don't be a landlord. Well, just don't let the person in. Don't let do the sight in the lease. I'll pay you later. Like get the fucking money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kids, if you ever hear the phrase, I don't have a traditional kind of credit run. That's not what you want. That's right. Or they mentioned their bank in San Antonio. You're out. Double feature choice. Would you have KB? Okay. So this is interesting. I had Mr. Mom because it's really nice fun, Michael Keaton. But I have to tell you, I was watching the movie, Pacific Heights on Prime, Amazon, and it goes to the next movie. And the next movie was unfaithful. And I was like, yes. And I watched the first half hour. It's like a con man. It's all that. So I went right into it. And I liked it. Oh, I had two. One was the money pit from 1986. The Tom Hance movie about. That's a good one. Losing your mind, trying to save your home. And the other was a little bit different. War of the roses just because it's like kind of being trapped in a house with somebody. Sure. Yeah. I did single way of female. If we did the roommate tenant, sure. I'm gonna just go. What do you have, Craig? For a double feature. Probably transformers. Just over one rose is honestly. Who won the movie? Keaton? Keaton. Michael Keaton, after Batman, another dove as a villain. Why I like this movie. Craig. Can't wait for your take. Here we go. Craig loves from Hell month. By the way, these are what real movies should be. You can watch them at noon on a Monday. They're great. I liked what I liked about this one is that there was like way much more mystery. Typically it was like domestic disturbance or hand that rocks the cradle. And you kind of just know the motive from the beginning and you're just waiting to get to the end. I enjoy that this movie. They treat Keaton like jaws a little bit. And you're like, I don't really know what he's up to. I don't see him a whole lot. Who's Greg? What's going on in LA? And I think it's why the whole mystery takes you down to LA. And it's why that scene is so good. But I think this is one of the more satisfying from Hell movies because you actually get like the plot to take this person down rather than just the big fight at the end results in the villain dying. This was like, oh, for like 20 minutes, I get Melanie Griffith actually plotting to get back at this guy and it's working. I feel like that was more satisfying. Also, this movie's kind of the inspiration for the show Beef, if you think. I mean, it's kind of like a from hell month has definitely got some of that. It's a road rage, but for real estate kind of vibes. And it's very relatable in that regard. I also think it's kind of just a great look at how men and women deal with problems differently. Yeah. This is like a great men not being able to admit their wrong movie. Like I can handle this patty. It's like, honey, do you know you want to just pull up a map and get directions like, no, no, I know how to get there. Like, it's like, we're driving or yeah, it's a great men versus women dealing with problems moving. Great call. Thumbs up. You've enjoyed from hell month. This is not a blast. Yeah. These are great. There's lots for which is just the rest of 2026. What's on the horizon now? Well, we've done domestic disturbance and the good son. Kind of looks to create all single way female. Yeah, and there's a couple, a couple winners left. Yeah, there really is. I've been scouting. I've been scouting some other ones that I wasn't sure. - There's some bad ones. I watched "Save Me" on MGM with Harry Hamlin and Leset Anthony. - Oh, come on, we can't do that. - No, it's like it was the, I thought it was a, - Or we have to, - We have to do like the "Re-Godfather" somewhere in there. (laughing) - It was terrible. - It cleans the palate. - It was truly, truly awful. - Yeah. - But I just, I, you know, I'm just looking around. - The one that you've mentioned before that I always have gotten so entertained by is copped from hell on lawful entry. And what's really fun about that movie is Madeleine Stowe's character is named Karen. And so you get Ray Leota going, "You're a cock, these are Karen!" And it's like right after Goodfellas, it's awesome. (laughing) - That's Kurt Russell's in there, right? - Yeah, yeah, he's also in breakdown. - Oh, it's double-fledged. - Yeah, yeah. - Yes. - Breakdown's one of our favorites. - Do we look at modern from Hell movie? All these movies are from the '90s. What's the best way? - No, I mean, like I go into the 2000s. I can't remember when it's perfect getaway. Like the, when's that movie? - Let me see. - I'm gonna end it in the 2000s. - Perfect getaway '09. - '09? - I just feel like this moved to lifetime and then they did every single version of them. - Definitely. - But another one that we've talked about doing 'cause Van Loves is the fan with Robert DeMiro. (laughing) - And he's showing Wesley Snyder with the worst ending. - Oh. - Probably of any sports we've both done. - But it's still really fun and it's Tony Scott. - I mean, to be honest, is Obsession kind of like the girlfriend from Hell? - Or the boyfriend from Hell. - Sure. - Yeah. - Obsession, you think that could be in there? - I don't know if it's from Hell, but it's pretty fun to do Obsession as a rewatchable now. - This would be a good. - We haven't done a 2026 movie yet. - No. - We're due. - Yeah. - But it'll probably be the Odyssey, right? I guess so. - I think it could be. - Doing part three, Bill, let's go. - Yeah, doin' three. - He's gotta see the first two dunes. - Could you do it from Hell? - Good morning, football. There's a new person on the show. (laughing) - A former football player, which is the hangout. And then it just starts going sideways. - I have a quip, but I'm not going to say it. - Okay. - Because it would get me in trouble. - There's another one that I think I'm the only one who likes it, but it's a great, great, great from Hell movie that I have to recommend. If you like my recommendations. - Sure. - Bad influence with Roblo and Joel Speeder. - Oh, we were talkin' about this. - I think that movie's really good. It's Curtis Hanson's first movie. I just think it's excellent, but nobody's seen it. - That'd be great. - I just did the entire Hanson Filmography. (laughing) - I think you would like bad influence. Anyway. - All right Kyle Brandt. This was a pleasure as always. - Good to see you again. - Thanks for your time. - Thank you CR. - The whole Storm family. - Thanks Craig. Thanks to Chris and Gaho and Eduardo as well. And we will see you next time on the rewatch, please. (upbeat rock music) [MUSIC]