Owen Benjamin: "They're Hiding Something!" The Spell Behind Every Big Lie | Jack Neel Podcast

Today's guest is the most cancelled man in comedy. Slavery is a choice. If you're dealing with a population where they say, "Top petition is the only sin. You want people to choose that." Like, "Oh no, I'm nothing. I'm a speck of dust in an infinite vacuum spinning and my ancestors are retarded monkeys." The son of two professors in upstate New York, he started his career at the Renaissance fairs, taking tomatoes to the face for nine hours a day. I mean, statistically Stephen Hawking living 50 years is 0%. So, like, the smartest man in the world that just decoded that there's no God has a brain disease so bad he can't speak, but yet he's watching Midgets do math on Epstein Island, like, "No." Eventually, he became one of Adam Sandler's go-to comics, starring in countless movies, TV shows, in his own prime time sitcom until 2017, when he made one tweet that sparked the end of his career. I could end $1 billion propaganda campaigns with one sentence, and that really pissed people off. In this episode, we'll explore the patterns he got cancelled for noticing, expose the word magic he says powerful people use to keep you trapped, and question whether the truth actually set him free, or instead cost him his sanity. The spell behind all the spells is that you are not enough, because if you know you're enough, if you know you're created properly, you're way less likely to be-- Oh, and Mitchapin. Welcome to the Jack Neal Podcast. Yeah, I love when you reach out, like your podcast. I was listening to the one about a-- you got me interested in travel agency. Really? Like that one with the travel agent? I'm like, that's pretty interesting, and I would never think that's interesting. Like I liked that pot a lot. I was like, "Ah, rich people travel agent. That must have some great stories." You know? Yeah, it's funny that people that work with rich people usually have the best stories. Like we did like a club promoter or something, and he had some really good stuff as well. Yeah, you do like insane people, you know? And the one he just did with Tucker, I was blown away with that. I thought that was amazing. I appreciate that, man. Yeah. Oh, and at one point in your career, you were starring in Adam Sandler movies, had your own sitcom, and were a regular guest on Joe Rogan until 2017. You've since been banned from every major social media platform, payment platform, and even had to build your own servers to have a voice on love. Yeah, I was banned from stuff. People don't even know exists. Like I was banned from D-Live, like Trovo. No one knows that pot. I'm not really as much anymore, though. I've been like super happy lately, because the vibe is like pulled back. And now I get to just enjoy the ride. But for a while, there was nuts. Like I was banned from all theaters. People don't think that's possible. But like, it's not that I could, like I understand if people don't want to book me, because I'm too hilarious, right? I would book it and pay for it and sell my own tickets. And then they would cancel it, like over and over again. And that's when I started thinking conspiratorially, because I'm like, how is that possible? Like don't they want to make money? Like I've never been accused of a misdemeanor. You know, I'm like, I go from being rep to CAA and being known for the guy that gets along with everybody. To be in this like exile and the wilderness. And now I'm back to people are like, man, you're so hopeful. And I haven't even changed that much. It's like like three years ago, I'm saying this stuff that people are saying now. And I'm just like, oh, you're a mad man. And now people are saying it's so much that people think that I'm like this hopeful optimistic white pill guy. And I'm like, I'm saying the same thing. So what exactly did you say that made you the most cancelled comedian? It was, I made fun of David Hogg for the gun stuff. I said, I'm not going to take advice about my family's protection from a guy that can't grow pubes. And they said, I got banned from Twitter for that for sexualizing a child. So who's David Hogg? Oh, you don't remember that. It's who they rolled out. He was like one of one of these shooting, you know, events. And he was a child victim. And he was like, everyone has to give up their guns. And I know how they do that. You front load, um, you know, like Stephen Hawking in a wheelchair. No one can criticize his madness. Or like Helen Coward's deaf dumb and blind. So her thoughts on eugenics and socialism. You can't question. You know, it's like, I know that you're children. Where it's like, like right now at the Erika Kirk, like the widow. Uh-huh. And so as a former heckler and I understand wizard spells, I'm like, okay, then just make fun of that. Like, he's not even in the room. He's 17 and my point is valid. I'm like, vice is published minor attracted person article. Like they're trying to normalize. Yeah, they're saying I sexualize a 17 year old for pointing out that he's not a man and can't talk to me as a man. Right. And so. And then Caitlin, I said, uh, Caitlin Jenner was one of the years. Has been a woman for a full year. And now people, I think that's a Dave Chappelle joke. I said that six years prior. And then I did the whole LGBT bit where I'm like, it started with the L's. And the L's just wanted a Subaru into Nicknack and then you got the G's. And there are a lot more into real estate and the B's. They'll fuck anybody like Dave's whole bit. I did six years earlier. And then, uh, because they were watching Caitlin at that point. And that's when I thought the world had gone nuts. I'm like, where comedians Bruce Jenner may have just cut off his penis. Like, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. The weedies guy on the Kardashian show is wearing a dress. You know, and I'm like, look at it guys that six months earlier are doing these bits. And then everything just shifted. And I'm like, guys, I don't like change like you guys. I'm not motivated by like money and status and stuff. I'm like, I really just want to be funny. And, um, and they got so threatened. Then they started attacking and normally people just back down. But I, like, I know how bullies work. And that's the best way to get me to like never back down. Is I'm like, I can't apologize when I'm not sorry. Like, what am I sorry about? Is David Hogg a man to tell me to not have a gun? Like, what am I sorry about, you know? I'm like, we had done them just said she wished she had an abortion. I'm like, are you not offended by that? I'm like, where are the rules? And, um, and so oddly, it like sucked at the time. It was very painful. And there was a lot of like what I perceived is betrayal and financial stuff and all that. But looking back, it was, it's like the best thing that ever happened. Because I got off the road and had four children that I now, it's like the best thing ever. I was on the road. You know, a panda's only ovulate three days a year. Women, it's like one day a month. I would have missed a lot of ovulations. And then I had to build my own platform. And then I just started farming. I never would have done that. But I'm like, I'm not wearing a master in COVID. And if you don't let me in the grocery store, I will have food. You know, and I started teaching classical piano again. And then the world shifted again. And now I'm like, people look at me like, I'm fine. And I'm like, and I don't hold any resentment. I think that's pretty important now. It's like no hard feelings. You know, I get it. People get scared. And just to put it into perspective, like how much were you making roughly at the peak of your career? I was making like 30 grand a week. Like, yeah. And then like, you know, nowadays people make a ton. But back then, I was, you know, I was like a high level working comic. I was, I was in the mural at the improv. I was never like a, like a huge star guy. But I was like, as a craftsman, very respected. You know, like would do big events. I would host award shows with the Caprio. And you know what I mean? How old were you when all this kind of went down? I was in my 30s. It was 2007, 16 and 17. I think the Trump thing really shook everyone. And then BlackRock started funding overseas movies a lot. And, and all these comedians just complied. Some didn't. But I'm like, we're the guys that are supposed to make fun of this. Like, we're not supposed to make this much money. Like, I remember I, in 2013, I did an hour special for Comedy Central. And I got paid a hundred grand. And like, now people are getting millions from Netflix. Because they got the whole, you know, the money printer is going in there. But like, I remember being like, this is, this is crazy. Like, I should make like, two, ten a year maybe. I'm like, good. But like, 900, like, I'm retarded. Like, I'm just making, you know, and then I realized that the value is the social engineering where they'd, like as a comedian, you know, low to mid six figures. Yeah, I'm good at my job. But like, you're worth millions if you shut up at the times they want you to shut up. And I'm not going to do that because I'm not gay. Do you think there was any messaging that you were pushing, like, unknowingly? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I pushed tons of it. I'm like, that's the thing. I'm not even self-righteous. I've been wrong, like a ton. I just admit it when I'm wrong. Like, yeah, I look back. And because I used to think like, drinking was awesome. Like, I'd be like, man, dude, how great is it to just get hammered? Like, all kinds of shit, man. Yeah, I was like, verging on nihilism for a good chunk of my life. But I was never like one of those wicked guys that like hated people or like, beauty or, you know, the sound of a child's laughter. I just was like, who cares? Like, I was never anti-gay or anything until they literally went at the kids, like the joke said they were never going to do. Because like, I never cared what people did. But I'm like, you can't put a billboard of a guy with a boner right next to a school and say that's a valid life. So like, that's damaging, you know? Right. It's like, Stan, it's cool to be an alcoholic. You know, it's like, I like to eat too much, which is my thing. You know, I can really snack with the cookies, especially on a farm. And it's like, no, everybody does their thing. But as the great numeric Donald said, now, as ever said, I want to make love to your ass about dominance. You know, it's like, you can love a man. You can love a man so much. You don't want to give them like, rectal trauma, you know what I mean? So feel free to cut any of this. I can really, because that's the first thing that isn't actually offensive, I'm just being so know how statistically literal that people are like, whoa, but that's literally what it is. - What I'm curious of here is something more recent and that I seem like would be a little more, what's the word? Like, pungent to people listening to a podcast on YouTube right now is you had three episodes on Joe Rogan's show, like how did you find out that Rogan had deleted all the episodes you guys did? - I don't even know, I just was so disgusted, but looking back, I had no hard feelings, I get it. That's a weird world to live in. - Did he call you? - No. It's all good, you know? It's like, that's a circle where you got to do stuff and maybe you didn't like the episodes, but three episodes? - Yeah, and then we're good. I mean, the third one was a little weird because I was starting to be a little awkward with like, Kurt was going a little wild and they were trying to be like, 'cause they didn't really know how to say to keep me 'cause they couldn't quote anything. 'Cause my jokes when you quote them, this is why Wikipedia had to keep deleting stuff, 'cause they're jokes. Like I'm not even making dramatic political claims. I'm like, Barack Obama stole my bike. Like, so I'm gonna be like, look how racist this is and like normal like alive people just laugh and though I do not understand it, that's just like funny. I'm like, what? Or I said, I don't want slavery to come back but I kinda do so Sean King admits he's white. Like stuff like that and they're like, oh, you're pro-slavery. And I'm like, well, you know, with the debt system we're all kind of there now, you just don't admit it and then it'll all too intense. - If you had to boil it down to one joke though, that was like the reason for your cancellation. Like what do you think was the thing that people were afraid that would spread? - Is that I could end a billion dollar propaganda campaigns with one sentence and that really pissed people off. You know, like the pound me too joke that's now like been memed billions of times. You know, like the dramatic irony that I don't understand, it's not a hashtag, it's a pound. And I'm like, pound me too, 80s. Way too aggressive, way too sexual. Like I got kicked off Patreon and Airbnb. Like I owned a house that I was renting on Airbnb under my wife's name and they said they didn't want to work with someone that mocked the victims of sexual assault. Meanwhile, women that have experienced sexual assault are like thank you for making fun of this charade 'cause it's just a joke about the word pound. And I'm like you have on your platform right now. And then I'm like, oh I get it 'cause the threat, 'cause I don't have like a lot of violent tendencies. I'm not very political. I'm not even that ambitious with business stuff. I'm ambitious with art, but like I was like, I always thought it was this big misunderstanding. Like no, I'm not threatening guys. I'm just like hilarious, but I am threatening because I show that like you can be productive outside of a monopoly. And now I get why they're terrified of that. And I promote children. 'Cause the main thing is population reduction. It's like don't have kids. Oh, if you have a child, the seas will rise, you know? And it's like, no dude, I said family is wealth, money is debt, and they like freaked out. Like family is your wealth. I can make labor force with my wean, right? There's a labor in the future. I'm like, I just made four, they work their ass off. It's like I can't afford kids. I'm like, dude, they make me money. I'm like, fagging an alver twist, you know? And that's like, 'cause you know, the evil of the world isn't an identity, it's a behavior. And they, they're envious of like life and like truth and joy. You know, like people on a yacht see me on a pontoon boat having a blast and they're miserable. And they like it real mad at that. So they want to break it. It's like getting rid of that. I bought it with Tucker about architecture. They see like beautiful domes made out of stone from Toilet Maxing. And they're like, let's bomb that and put up something disgusting, you know? And that's what bothers me. I like beauty. I like like people that are really good at things, you know? Yeah, so on the population portion, like why do you think they don't want to staff kids? Because family is wealth. Family is like, that's what you and Tucker talked about. I thought was so beautiful. When Tucker was like the big lies that there's a power above them. Like the narcissist is like, I'm the most powerful. So anything above them, like any father would do more for his wife and child than the banker, right? And so that purpose is so threatening to people that want you alone addicted. You're head swimming with lies because then you'll do whatever. And it's like, I've never been a control guy. I just, I'm like an improv guy. I like to see where things go. Control guys, it's a nightmare. It's a tower of Bable. Every brick is like a death of life. Because you can't keep all the lies going. Every line needs to be maintained forever. You can't just let the lies roll. You have to like constantly, like Helen Keller. They way off the gas of Helen Keller for five years. It's a joke. She had a British accent. She couldn't hear anything. She's from Alabama. Couldn't hear anything since she was six months old. She's like, there's no blindness. I'm like, that's a British, she's a British actress. Her eyes don't dart around. They said she could fly a plane and she wrote books on eugenics. I'm like, if you can't see in here, you don't write books. Like you're not speaking. Like some ladies just doing this. Because why? What's the theology behind that? The miracle worker. They want to be gods. They want to be like, no, we made America. We made this where it's arted, lady. But I think she was an actress. Right. Yeah. I've never really understood the Helen Keller one. Something I want to ask you about. And I think it's kind of a low IQ claim in general. I think low IQ might be the way to go. I mean, so I saw Rogan said on his podcast, the most recent time he talked about you. He said, Joey Diaz broke you when he gave you an editable. Right, right. Because this is what happens when you veer off course. They look at your skeletons. Like you're like, how to shame you, you know? Was that a big moment for you though? Not really. Because I have like my history so clean, it's laughable. Right. It's like I like to drink booze in high five. So they're like, so it was an interesting moment though. So I'm on Joey Diaz's podcast. I don't really consume marijuana, but I'm, you know, went in Rome, you know, with Joey Diaz, you know. So I eat this, he's like, he's like, yo, dog to start that dog. Try to start that dog. And I'm like, okay, man. Like I'm down. And it was like 300 milligrams of THC, which I guess is like, they call it a heroic dose, right? And so I'm like watching him. And he's asking me these questions. He's like, oh yeah. And I just, he like starts morphing into like a demon kind of. But I wasn't like scared. I just couldn't really talk. And then I just started like looking up. And imagine if we're doing a pot, I just stopped talking. And so then I go, yo, dude, I need some water. And then I just went home during the podcast. And then I kind of wanted to leave Los Angeles. But like in two days, I was fine. But for a while, like for like two days, like, that's why I'm not like mad about it. Cause it did give me a perspective. I was like, what the fuck is that? Because imagine Joey Diaz when you're that high, he's like a cartoon dog. He's like, yo, dude, I was down in Florida. You're just like, whoa. And like, especially because I'm not like a weed guy. Yeah. So it's like, that's what broke me. Cause I don't have that big scandal. Like you look at my life. And I'm like, kind of boring. I like to build stairs and shit. Like I've texted you stair pictures. I'm like, dude, look at these stairs. Like, you know, I have weaknesses and I like mess up and stuff. But my big thing is the fucking pot brownie. Like Joe Rogan does like DMT and talks to elves and show like, who the fuck is he to judge me about a pot brownie with, you know what I mean? Yeah, he kind of identified that as the moment that things change for you. But I guess when you were starring in these movies, TV shows, did you already kind of have the belief systems that you have now? Or was there like a singular moment? Wow. It was just into like what I thought was true. You know, like every comic has to be looking at the truth. Cause if you're not, if you're not connected to the truth, you can't make a joke, right? So it's like music. You have to bounce it off the truth to make the irony the hyperbole. Like, I'm actually a craftsman of comedy. I'm not like doing a thing, you know? And so if I let go of truth, it's not even that I'm this noble martyr. I'm like, I, it's like cutting out your tongue if you're a singer. I'm like, I can't live with this new lie that there are bad words. You know, like a word has intention. That's why I, I went hard on that hill too. And I'm not even a guy that's like that into those words. I'm just like, a word can't be bad. It's like saying a color is bad. Like, it's a word, it's, it's just an agreed upon sound. Cause I'm always focused at intention. Like, what's your intention? Cause I'm big into communication. Like, I like to use words that people understand. That's why I like to, I wrote that book like that. Cause I know a lot of my parents were in academia. And they, like, there's a type of person that likes to sound smart for status, but they're not communicating. They want to get you to go, oh, I don't understand. So that means I'm just going to go with you where I'm like, I want, I need consent from you. I want you to understand everything I'm saying. Yeah. Words shouldn't be get kept in like, exactly. Reading levels shouldn't be get kept either. Right. When I was saying, I wasn't even joking. I'm like, dude, low IQ might be the move. Cause like, I used to think I was cool because I had a high IQ. And now I'm looking at all these paths, he's all I've IQs. And I think high IQ can, can make you trappable with like, models in your head. Like they can give you like a, you know, like the people that are the most scared about climate change, a lot of them have super high IQs. And they're like, recital this math. And I'm like, dude, it's all just like, and I know low IQ guys that are like, they can just point shit out. They're like, that just sounds like bullshit. You know, I just like, I'm like, because like going through that furnace that I went through with the cancellation, which is literally the definition of a Holocaust is a burnt offering, right? That's what Holocaust means. That's why I used to sell mugs. It said I survived the Holocaust and I got, and it was a rainbow and I got kicked off a payment process over that. And now it would be fine because I, and I feel like I did everyone alive survived the historical event and their own personal Holocaust. But anyway, when you go through one of those things, you start seeing identities where you're like, I am the smart guy, I'm the guy people like, and like reputation can be an idol. And I try to really watch out for that now. Reputation can be an idol. Tell me about that. Yeah, because I was like, people like me in Los Angeles. I get respect. Like I'm, I'm considered a great comedian and it was all like white. And then imagine like you're like a nice dude, like I battle more with co-dependence than narcissism, I'm like, if you're happy, I feel happy, you know? So they're like, you're now full of hate and you're evil. And I'm like, it hurt. It was like my identity, but that wasn't really me, you know, then you start learning what identity is. And you're like, I see that trap with some of these white guys where they're like, we built the cathedrals. I'm like, bro, you can't build shit. Build some stairs with me. Come on. You're taking identity credit from shit you didn't do. You recently told your story on Tucker's podcast and this book we have here, how to slay at wizard opens with a series of questions. Why do we call it spelling award? Why is cursive called cursive? And why do we broadcast a television security? What does language have to do with magic? Everything. Quick side note, something I thought was strange and I have the stat here. It's 80% of people pay way too much for their car insurance. If the people listening to the podcast right now, I hope you guys know that my goal is for you to either make money, save money or find truth. So I found this useful tool. Basically, you just put in your zip code, how many cars you own and it instantly shows you whether or not you could be saving money. It's super accurate. It's free and the whole process takes less than a minute. So if you want to try it out and figure out if you could be saving money right now, as we speak, just go to jagnail.com/auto or scan the QR code on screen. You can also at the first link in the description, but anyway, guys, back to the podcast. Everything. Because magic needs you to believe it and do it. That's what you and Tucker were talking about that. It's like, like, abracadabra, fiat, I speak it into existence. And just like what I was talking about with words can't inherently be evil. It's the belief around the word in the sigil, like the charged nature of the word, like the Nike swoosh. You look at the swoosh. Like Venus Williams, Michael Jordan, like all the things that you're programmed with with emotion. Like when I was in college, I walked into someone's room and there was a giant swastika, but he was from India, right? So that swastika is charged totally different to like a Hindu or a Buddhist person than, you know, and so spell like grammars from grim war, which is a book of spells, right? And so words, like, will get you to feel and believe and then you act in a way that brings it into reality. But it's like reverse engineering reality where it's like, I was telling this to one of my Jewish friends. I'm like, you guys have been acting so persecuted for so long. You're kind of bringing it into reality now, you know, where it's like, if you use a word, like the Patriot act, right? So you have, you have the emotion behind Patriot. You have like Thomas Jefferson, Alex John, oh, patriotic erection pills, you know, you got like these feelings, but it's about surveillance and like all these non patriotic things. And those ironies are how spells work where you put a modifier, you use a word that gets it to go past your gate, right? And that's why socially people don't like to stop and say, what do you mean by that? And I do that all the time when someone's like melting pot, I'm like, what do you mean by melting pot? What does that mean to you? Does that mean like people shouldn't keep their way of life, right? Like what is melting pot mean? People love bus words. Like what is cis? The spell thing I've, I've not heard many people talk about this online, which I think is interesting, at least two audiences of young men or older men. And I just want to understand it from a like series of behaviors or like a series of actions, like maybe an autistic way of explaining it to me, like if you're going to explain what a spell is to your son, like your youngest son, like what would you say? I talk about how spelling, like how mind control works when you have trauma. You have, I wouldn't say this to my son, but it like, you know, an autistic friend like you. No, but it's like, you have roles where you do archetypes. That's how Rome was ruled. You know, you have the archetypes of the hero and the fool and all that stuff. And then people just start going along with it. And you also have like social pressures, you have hypnotism, you have trans and all that. And underlying it is identity, right? So you are, that's why I make fun of whites as much as black. I make fun of all identities because I'm trying to help people see it's not them. They're like as a dot, dot, dot, right? So now you're saying the I am, like I am this, I'm now connecting my existence to this. And living men and women have real power with will, you know, so it's like what we can actually create and do things. And so a spell will get in your mind that's something like let's think of a good one. Safe and effective, right? Safe and effective. The question I would ask is for who at what safe for who effective at what is it is a population control? Is it sterilization? Right? Is it like because that the spells have to have some truth in it because we resonate with true. So with safe and effective, you don't want to kill your grandmother, right? So a spell would be, okay, a World War one, the white feather. If you didn't want to fight in the war, they would give you a white feather which meant you were coward and women would treat you badly. It's the spell, you know, the AIDS spell, you have the ribbon that shows that you believe and then you have the AIDS quilt, right? And then you have Fauci feeding a AZT, which all the symptoms are AIDS, right? So you take gay dudes that are party and way too hard, they're feeling a lot of shame. And they're like, yeah, I do feel kind of exhausted. It's definitely not them that's in this out of me. It must be an exterior thing. I should get some help for that. I should get some pills. Yeah, I have a disease. And the pills get you sick. That's literally what AIDS was. And then you have the guy that survives it named Magic Johnson, like magical penis, like Matt and Greg Luganis. Same exact time. This sounds disjointed but follow me. Same exact time AIDS is a diet pill being advertised in the 80s. So they're like, AIDS will kill you, swear to God, there's all these commercials going. If you tried AIDS, AIDS will get your figure because that's, I call it polarity seeding where you get two contradictory things going so people get exhausted and they shut down. And the whole point of a spell is to give over authority, I'll let you handle it. Agency. That's why I had an agent, right? You have my agency now. You can speak for me, right, corporation, corporation, the words of the dead. You speak for me, right? And then that's the only way they get power. That's why I'm so optimistic. I'm like, they don't do anything. Like, I think the future's super bright. I know that it's daunting, you know, when you guys were talking about Palantir and, you know, that's why little things like I say Palinqueer and people get mad, but you just smiled like it takes to fang out because I grew up with gay and queer meant weak, right? It didn't mean like deep down or you were attracted to them. It just meant weak. It meant like, oh, I don't, I can't work outside today. It's raining. It's like, that's gay, right? It's shaming weak behavior. And so that's why they try to pull that word out. Because when you promote victim consciousness, you make slaves. You see what I'm saying? Serious thing is spelled as like a series of rhetoric designed at giving another person authority over there. Exactly. It's about slavery. That's why the thing that you asked me what I said, what Kanye said that blew the world away. It was not about Jews or anything. It's that slavery is a choice. Boom. That's when they were like, shut it down. He's insane because it is a choice. Every is easy. You go, no, you decide everything and I will give you my labor. You make all the choices. I felt that way like I sometimes miss having an agent. I'm like, oh, yeah, talk to the Jewish guy about the money. I don't care about that. He handles everything. I don't think about that. I don't need to fix my car. I need to grow my food. I don't need to raise my kids. It's easy, right? Slavery's a choice. And so if you're dealing with a population where they say competition is the only reason, that's a quote, you want people to choose that like, oh, no, I'm, I'm nothing. I'm a speck of dust and an infinite vacuum spinning and my ancestors are retarded monkeys. Right? Right. When you say it clearly, it's ridiculous, but it's not because I don't know the science. A hundred and six thousand miles of so of two hundred and forty thousand miles away. The sun is ninety three thousand miles away. It's pulsars. I know what they're saying, but I also know why. And I don't think very many people are in on it. I don't think you need that many people at all. Something I think would be useful for the entirety of this conversation. Are you familiar with? I'm not sure if you watched the entirety of Tucker's Nas podcast, but we talked about, he said the X-ray theory, we're like, you look at things in their reverse contrast. Genius. I said that. I'm Rogan. I said, I say things and the sonar beeps back at me and the lies are where I see where things are. And he was talking about that when you look at the lies connecting because why would someone behave that way. They're covered like people covering something is where I see the problem. Like for example, I would be a lot more willing to believe in the moon landing if people are like, I totally see why you think that. But no, actually, we went there, but I totally get why you think that. I mean, how can you do a tilt up to 140,000 miles away in 1969? I'm like, live television with no camera operator. But we could, but I totally, no, it's the gaslight. You're insane. You ate a pot brownie once. I'm like, nah, like, I don't have a fear response. Maybe it's autism. But I'm like, interesting. Like, I don't, I don't go, oh, I should socially correct myself. I'm like, why is that not acceptable? You know, it's interesting too that something I've noticed in terms of the you jab your opponent to see where they jab back is like, if I say something into like wordy, too intellectual to like, not emotionally driven of a way, nothing really happens. But it's like when I say something that is said in the right way, that's like when people are mad about it. You know what I mean? Like, it just gets agnored. But it's also effective rhetoric points at the truth. It's not true. Like, yeah, I can tell you of kind of a dialectic mind. You're like, if you just say the exact truth, people, they kind of like don't even listen. But you can say it a little charge. That's why I put race and identity in all these things because it gives energy to something. But my dialectic isn't even like hateful. It's like the point I'm making works, but the energy spreads it. Right. And so what I consider evil is when they use rhetoric and they do a complete 180. Like when I say some of these things, you know, family is wealth, money is debt. It's not exactly true, but it's rhetorically pointing at the truth. It's like mostly because rhetoric can't be exactly true. Like the best rhetoric you know, it evokes emotion. It evokes a metaphor. There's an element of like novelty. You know, it's like an art versus like just explaining, like I could tell you wanted me to just exactly explain what his fellow is. And I love that. But it's together is the communication where you have the the core of the thing you're trying to say, but human beings, they like emotion, baby, come on. You got to sell it with the blood dressed. That's why that cartoon kept going viral. They kept deleting it kept going viral because it's just so true and you can tell it don't hate anybody. You see that one with Pol Pot. So I do a cart. I've just doing a rant in the studio. Just animate all of them. And it's about an event in the 40s, but it's not even about as a true or not. It's about selling it as a brand. And so Pol Pot's like, I have a genocide. I kill a million of people with my gun. How come no one talks about it? It's like, because you got to make movies, baby. You got to get a girl in a red dress. You got shoes, you know? And he's like, if you want to make lasting money on your genocide, you got to brand it, baby. You need to remind repetition. You know, everybody knows that they'd never leave their shoes at a party, right? That's why it's piles of shoes. Because you can leave a jacket. You know, eyeglasses and shoes. You never leave somewhere. You look at shoes. You go that the sole of the shoe. That's called twilight language, right? Like Alan degenerate, Bernie made off with your money, right? It's like, you don't think these things matter, but they do. Remdes is near death is near. It's like sounds like it. On a subconscious level, you're like, ah, right? Because the spells only work if they play with your identity. A little bit. Yes. That's why, dude, the last chapter of my book, I don't mind spoiling. It's a, uh, is the spell behind all the spells is that you are not enough. Because I did this map of like, I want to get to primary lies. Because you have these lies. And I know plenty of good people that believe tons of lies. I still right now definitely believe a lie that I don't know, right? And it's like, I think about that a lot. Yeah, right. Like right now, what is it that I don't see? Right? Right now, my thing is, is to try to just always be grateful and not like bitch and complain and say like, that's what I keep catching myself doing. Where I'm like, dude, is my thumb really that hurt? Like, I'm breathing with my family and paradigm, you know what I mean? But, um, the primary lie to get everyone to believe this stuff is the same in market. Oh, dude, spell spell casting is marketing, right? Is you get someone to think they're not enough, right? You, you know, you're not the best a man can get. You need your lead, right? You need like, you're broken. You're an accident, right? And that, then you believe all this stuff. Like the world is chaos. This dude in a wheelchair that definitely died 50 years ago that definitely, you know, he has a, he has a neurological disorder and he's the smartest guy in the world, right? Steven Hawking, you see that bit where he's like talking in the translator that I did. It got like 30 million views or something like people are, do you think he's a real person? Steven Hawking. I don't know logistically how they do that, but I don't think the original Steven Hawking is the guy. Dude, the average ALS is five years and you're dead. Not only that, it affects your brain. So like the smartest man in the world that just decoded that there's no God has a, a brain disease so bad he can't speak, but yet he's on Epstein Island, right? Because one thing I see about lies is they start piling on perversions. So a guy that can only move his pinky for 50 years is watching Midgits do math on Epstein Island, like, no. He also like cheated on his wife and then she did on the girl that he remarried. Yeah, there's no, there's no chance. They're just piling on emotional rhetoric. They're like, and he's banging and there's violent, you know, because it's embarrassment and they embarrass them makes it more believable. And they feel they own the brand so they can just play with it like a toy. Right? They're like, no, we don't Steven Hawking. Do you think he's a puppet? I don't, I don't know how that works. I could be, I mean, he literally just does this. Like, there's almost no movement, but if I say it's like a wax puppet, it's like, that's pretty crazy sounding. Like I have, I can self-reflect, you know, like, is that not a real guy? Is that like a puppet? But like, or is it a guy playing? Or is it just another a laska or like somebody in a mask? I don't know. I mean, statistically, Steven Hawking living 50 years is zero percent. Right? So it's like, you know, COVID. It's like one in a hundred people. So shut down the guy. So if something's zero percent, I can't be skeptical of that. Right? Like imagine if someone's like, oh, yeah, you got pancreatic cancer at three and he's 90. You'd be like, what, how did he do that? Like, do we have a cure? They'd be like, oh, no, no. That's anti-Semitism, right? It's like, because in another thing is the messaging is so mind-control. It's like, there is no God. You are a mistake. It's all chaos, right? So why would someone do that? It's why would an abusive parent say, you're nothing. You're stupid. No one will ever love you. Because it's power. Because if you know you're enough, if you know you're created properly and there is like a benevolent God, however you view that, I'm not even like banging on books or anything, you're way less likely to be controlled. Do you have something to live for? You're like, there is a fair balance in this world. This world is a gift. If it's nihilism, you're like, why not chop off my dick, right? Why not give you all my money? Why not pretend that we're playing golf on the moon like because nothing matters. The theory of relativity, nothing matters if everything's relative. The dude banged his cousin talking about Einstein. Yeah. Doody procre with his cousin and then banged her sister. And I think he like put him in a mental institution like as a piece of shit. E equals MC square Einstein equals married cousin twice. I don't know if that's a spell, but I just think that's funny. We'll talk about Einstein in a bit. I can't stand Einstein. I was curious if you'd be able to demonstrate this concept for me. If you were going to use words to make people afraid of you or use words to manipulate people's emotions right now, like how would you go about that? Give me a scenario. Okay, so imagine you want everyone listening to this to think that their partner or the person they love the most doesn't care about them. So if I and I asked you this question, what's the sign the person you care about the most doesn't really care about you? What might you say? Well, I mean, if I was like a manipulative piece of shit, I would start citing stats. I'd be like, you know, the stats are 71% of women or actively talking to their ex-boyboy. Just start seating all that stuff and then do basic behaviors that women do and say that that clinical studies like appealed to an authority, clinical studies fortified women, whatever it is, like that word brunette shit, that that behavior means something bad. And since all women are doing that, and then if you get mad at them while they're doing it, it will create that world. Think about that. That's how spell works. So like, let's say I say that if she's on her phone, that means she's, you know, I do something where you just get slightly paranoid, right? And so then you start being like, what are you doing over there? And then in her mind, she's like, what's up with Jack? Man, you know, and then she starts attaching a little bit, which like makes it like you think you're right. So then you start changing and then you actually start like distancing. That's the spell, right? That's that's how it work. Like I see it with like, even though I do a lot of provocative race stuff, I see stuff like that racially all the time. Like, if you treat, let's say you treat a black guy like he's definitely a criminal and he's not. He's just going to be like, he's going to start getting pissed off. And then he's going to start feeling like it's unfair. And eventually there's a chance I'll be like, I might as well. You've given me this identity. Exactly. Like I felt that way. I felt twinches of that when I'm the man of hate. I'm like, who fucking care? You already gave me this identity. What's the point? Like I will just say, I then I hate you. You know, and then I'm like, but that's the reaction is a spell like they're trying to, that's when I got more loving. That's the true anti-Semitism is just productivity and love. Again, anti-Semitism, sunlight is Arabs. - Right. - So that spell kicked off in Seinfeld. No one was using that before the episode where his uncle kept calling everyone in anti-Semite. Laft track is appealed to consensus, right? So you're like, am I the only one that doesn't find this funny? Everyone else is laughing. Like we're trained that like if we're kicked out of the community, that's like the worst thing ever. Everyone's laughing with me. So this must be funny. And he keeps being like, and anti-Semite, and it was seen as a joke. It was like retarded. Like what is anti-Semite, no one even knew what the word meant. And semi means Palestinian, right? So it's like, I see when things get real twisted, it's always the opposite. Like the root of the word racist is another insane inversion. General Pratt and the Union Army, they're slaughtering American Indians. Let's say in Iroquois, we're like, we prayed to Coyote, we speak this way. They called that racist. They're like, if you don't melt with the whites, like if you keep your race, that's evil. So like the identity of being an American Indian and a Confederacy, and then Trotsky ran with it. He's like, we can run with this with the Russian Empire. We get the, you know, the Estonians and the Latvians. And then if you get that tension control versus a Confederacy where you can all sit down as people with a way of life, but you all have equal souls and you all like respect each other based on your morality, you're fine. - You're saying that racism was coined when Native Americans, like generals were trying to get them to-- - It was to kill Native Americans. - It wasn't to get them to like get into our population or like melting birds with us. - It was saying you no longer have your way of life and no get me wrong. I'm not back in the wagon burners, you know what I'm just kidding. But like, it's just ironic. It's just, when you look at it mathematically, it's an irony that like in Elizabeth Warren type who's claiming to be one 300th Cherokee, the word racist was to eliminate the Cherokee identity. Not, yeah, it's not, but it wasn't to say you're better than people. Like, 'cause I am actually against someone saying, because of my skin color, I'm inherently better than, usually that means the person's a loser, right? 'Cause they're trying to appeal to something they haven't done. It's like parasitic behavior. But you have a right to say I have kin, I have history, I have a language, I have a way of life and I don't want to change that. And that's what racist originally meant. Just like anti-Semite is an inversion, all this shit is an inversion. It's kind of funny, one reason I can see this is 'cause it's written like jokes, like the devil's a comedian. I'm like, I see this is like joke structure, you know? - On that portion, you said something along the lines of that there has to be some truth to some of these spells. - Absolutely, always. - Why? Because we're, this is the good news. I think we're all naturally pulled to the truth. I think the human condition, although sometimes we can feel like, oh man, I suck or like, why do people do these horrible things? I think most people want work that they can be proud of. They want to be respected. They want to, they're pulled towards morality. They're pulled towards the hero story, you know? And so unless you have that, unless you have that resonance with something true, it's nakedly absurd. It's like, but that's how I see Stephen Hawking, right? Like I see so much as nakedly absurd. Like sometimes I try to be pragmatic, but I'm like, guys, like this is fucking where it's hearted. Like, what are you doing? Like Marjorin, right? They're like, butters bad for you. We're gonna give you all these chemicals that literally give you cancer. And you're gonna pay us at like what? Like Bill Gates gets awards for lowering the population of the world at scale. Like that's what the population award from the UN is. And he's a convicted criminal who is designed a system where he creates viruses and then sells software to get rid of viruses. Why would you inject something in your body from that guy? Like that's like, like it's like a guy from a shadow. Like, it's like, what, you know what I mean? - It's interesting. Yeah, it seems like the people who present some of these ideas are like the antithesis to the person who should be presenting the ideas that you would listen to. - They're empty vests. That's why I don't even blame them. I think the higher up you go, the more they're like not even there. They like aren't thinking or doing. They're like gone. You know, I don't like imagine if Bill Gates can't be like us. He can't imagine Bill Gates is like, I don't think pandas are real. They probably kill him in 10 minutes. Like that's why money isn't wealth. They take all his money immediately. Like, look at Kanye. He says three things. He's no longer a black billionaire. He's like a gang because it is illusionary. It's like you get to have like this money, but we'll take it. But then if you actually are productive and apply service, I saw that because I didn't crash. I'm actually doing pretty well now because like, I kept thinking like what's going to make my audience laugh? How am I going to teach people like? And now I have loyalty and people pay me. And it's like, it's great. Like because they can't control. The thing that was threatening about me is I realize you could do a stand-up comedy special in a field of grass. Because the spell is theater, comedy club. I'm like, dude, my audience built me as like a stage and it looks as good as the Netflix thing. And it's in a hayfield in Missouri in the middle of nowhere. Like, that's shocking to people that run on bread. Dude, they put a square on their head and wear a dress. And they're like, this makes me smart. I have a square on my head. Like a square on your head. And I have a college degree, but you put a fucking square on your head. Why do you think it's a square? It's a mason board. That's why when people are always making fun of masons, I'm like, that was just random. I didn't expect anything there. No, no, it's a mason board. It's all like masonry is the whole thing. It's like, all universities are all masonry. And some of it isn't even bad. It's like the metaphor of your building a structure, of the mind or whatever, and then you have the nefarious aspects. But yeah, that's where you put the, this is why being a Jagavall trades is cool. Because I've done masonry. You have this fucking square. And that's where you put your shit that you make everything. And then I looked into it, and it literally is that. I don't know how to ask about this properly, but when you think about the people doing these spells. Yeah. Like how would I figure out where it's coming from? Like who knows how to do this? Well, that's the thing. You can locally look at it. And I do think it's spiritual, like what you and Tuckera, I just can't explain it. But I think it's a world you can't see. But I don't know how to like describe that or like be an expert at that. But like do you show the similar view to Tucker that it's angels and demons and people are telling those things? Yeah, those are, you know, I grew up in a town where the Catholic churches were nuts. So it's like I understand of people recoil from words like angels and demons. But like, yeah, I think there's entities you don't see that either have been Evelyn or Moffa in intentions. I think sometimes like what he was saying about, you know, the Greeks called it a muse. You know, it's like to inspire means they have a spirit in you. You know, it's like, and that happens to me all the time. Like as an artist, like that whole poll pot cartoon, I don't even remember. I just was saying the dialogue as it happened and someone just did it. Like I've done that with classical music and stuff. Where's it coming from? You know, dude, and then you get into the brain, the top brain people don't know what the fuck a brain is. They're like, it's so funny by buddy. Just was at the Mayo Clinic for some crazy shit. And the guy's like, we don't know. It could be this or maybe not. It's like, I think it's a receiver. So from my experience, and this is why I was having a great chat with Bill Zarian and Tucker and some of these guys that have been in those circles, and I've been in those circles, they're not as impressive as people think. Like some of those top guys are like, in my opinion, they're vessels. There's some impressive, very rich people. But some of those guys are just like, they just seem so vacated that like some high level shit is in there. Like what? I don't know, like an intention. Because for me, like evil to me on a human level is short. It's like, I'm scared, I'm gonna eat the brownie. You know, it's like short, it's not like 150 year plan to do some crazy shit. You know, human evil is typically fear and weakness. Right? That's what sin means. Miss the mark, debt, weakness. There's a type of evil where it's like, one thing I don't equate with evil is patience. Like human evil doesn't like sit around and wait, right? They're like, hey, you know? And so what is that? I don't know, maybe there's no demons or angels. But like to me, logically, it seems like an architecture, you know, and I think like not sleeping enough brings that in. That's why I think this is so fucked for people. Like I think if you don't sleep enough, you start being like, why was that thought in my head? If you have that, you don't sleep for like a day and a half and you're in a grocery store. And sometimes I'll think like, ah, that guy sucks. Just for no reason. And I'm like, I'm not that guy, who, what the fuck was that? Right. Like, where was that thought from? You know, Jerry Marzynski? No, I don't. He's a psychiatrist that was in prisons. You know, there's a movie called, ah, what's that called? Is notorious or nefarious? Yeah, yeah, yeah, angels studios. That was basically his life. So he's a, he goes in there, he starts asking the schizophrenics what the voices are saying and no one else was asking them. And he's like, dude, they're corroborating. Like, this is weird. And he, he started realizing that they're like, two schizophrenics could see the same shadow guy. And he's like, very secular. And I had him on my podcast. It was fascinating. It's like, it's like sometimes, and then they, they like drugs and sleep deprivation exhaustion, right? Working so hard, contradicting thoughts. Because when you get tired, you're like, you give away agency. Oh, why don't someone else take the wheel? I'm tired. And then I don't know what the system is. I don't know. I would, I would love to have more of like a religious doctrine that I know. know is true. I have like deep faith, but I don't know the structure, you know, I don't trust the Catholic priest, you know, but I think their demon shit is more valid than a lot of the psychiatry shit. You at least think it's a helpful framework. Oh, yeah. I think it's way better than the current DSM, whatever framework. Yeah, like I have a buddy that was a crack addict that's like, he, he swears, you know, is the whole thing. He's like, there's low level demons that are just like, shut up. They were just like impulsive and then there's higher up ones that are like, I want you to go to this address, you know, and there's almost like a hierarchy of them. And then I think angels are subtle and they're synchronicity where you just like, it's like a little wink. You just see something like, how did that all work out? I think angels aren't allowed. I think it's just like these, these subtle beauties that happen, you know, that's an interesting one. Um, I wanted to ask you, I usually don't challenge people on their beliefs, but I just imagine me, bro, come on. I think you're one of the only people I've had on that has this belief that debt is slavery. And you have this belief that the big trick is making you believe that you're not enough. Yeah. But also you seem to have a monotheistic belief in God. And a lot of people point to the fact that original sin, I'm an original sin guy and I've had debate. Yeah. My mom was almost going to be a nuns. You went to like a Jesuit masters in theology. She was like, she said that when her first son was born, she's like, this baby isn't flawed. And so when I was baptized, she called it entrance into Christian community. And I understand that we live in a fallen world and like, you know, that we can sin and we have the ability because of free will to be real fucked up. And maybe that's a form of original sin or something. But I don't think we're born. I don't think God made a mistake with our structure. I actually don't have that contradictory belief. And I've had people be like, that means you're not Christian. I'm like, fine, I don't have identities. I actually resonate a lot with the Bible. But like, if someone wants to call me that because I don't think a baby needs to have water sprinkled on his head from a guy. I know for a fact, molested my neighbor. Like, okay, like fact, you know, and you know, it's like that doesn't mean they're all like that. I actually respect Catholic architecture music and a lot of it up. But it's like, you know, I don't need him. I think baptism should be choice because like kind of like circumcision. It's like, if you can't choose it, it's like, dude, kind of my call, right? You're just coming at the Wayne. This is an interesting one for you. You talk about this idea that it's not any one group. You talk about the fact that it's like a behavior that is, I don't know, doesn't have the best interest of other people in mind. Like, what do you think is the cause of that behavior? And like, you said that if truth, if things are only funny when there's truth there, then like how can stereotypes exist? Like, do you think it's deep rooted cultural programming that leads to certain behaviors? You know, like Christians already the Bible. And maybe there's some supplemental things in there that leads to consistent behaviors of those groups. Like, what do you think? I think each race has predispositions to different types of evil. But most stereotypes are just based on a combination of genetics and culture, I think. But usually when I'm doing a bid, it's not even like a condemnation of the race. Like, for example, like if you have like black predisposition, it's more flow state where it's like, just take the bike, right? And white would be like, cock can act like a vampire, right? It's like, it's like, and I think it's weather-related where it's like, if you have an eight-month winter, the worst thing possible is to be kicked out of the tribe. So you're going to go along with the most evil shit and you're going to hoard everything like a little vampire, right? And that's like white, and that is evil. Like that white evil of being like a coward and like a hoarder is crazy. And then I think more equatorial regions where you have food everywhere and there's never a winter, the evil would be more like, just grab that shit like now, right? And then you have like, like, I have some Mexican buddies. I'm like, you guys are really into blood and weird shit with like, you know, like hanging someone from a bridge. Like to me, that's like pretty intense, but I get it. They like to shock the trauma. But I think each race isn't like, no race is more bad or good. It's just like, it's just a different Achilles heel. Like, like what Tucker was talking about, how he doesn't battle greed. Like, I don't battle envy at all. I love when people are awesome. I battle gluttony and occasionally wrath. I used to battle lost. I don't at all now. But some people that's all they battle is like lost in envy. I don't ever feel envy, but I do, but when my wife bakes shit that's organic, I'm like, no, it's organic. I'll eat fucking all of it, you know? And that's no good. You know, like, gluttony is kind of a, it's kind of like a white guy move or you're like, I'm going to eat all this shit. Winner's coming. And so that's what has to be behavioral because evil switches hats constantly. They rebrand, right? As soon as you think like, the bad guys are the Quakers, the switch to hat. It's the Protestant, like the Protestants of the Catholics fought in Ireland. And there were convinced the other side was the bad guy, right? The minute you start saying they're the bad guy, you're already participating. Like, what part of you is the thing you think you hate, right? That's like the Muslims call it, like that's what Jihad kind of means is the internal war, even though some of them go nuts. But it's like what part of you is weak is the real fight. That's the evil. And then when the evil presents itself, like, do you want this? If you've dealt with your own thing, you don't engage in it. Like, you get rid of mice by covering the grain. You can't like go with the mice. You eliminate the environment that is conducive to that. So we really are responsible for it. Like, they aren't doing anything to us. Like, we don't need to watch pornography. You know, it's like, you have to like click and watch. It's like, because as soon as you say you made me do it, you give them God's status. Like, you give them agency. You go, that's why it's great to call out people and break the liability shield, but they don't make us fight wars. Like, you know, in the spell is you're protecting your mother, you're protecting your father revenge for the building. You know, so because you need good people, make good warriors like howers don't make good good warriors. But eventually you go, I'm not going to fight someone based on the color of their uniform, right? And that's the choice. That's what I keep trying to tell people is like, don't fight the war. Don't get dependent. Have a garden. Have your own children. Because then there's no vessel. There's no vector to get you. Right. And it's intense, but that's like if people really look at that, it's crazy freeing. I want to ask, after you got canceled, you left Hollywood and now you raise your own animals, grow your own food. Yep. And you said that everything clicked once you owned a farm. So let me ask you what is having a farm teach you about how the world actually works? That's why Thomas Jefferson, farmer and lawyer. I want my kids to be like to have legal degrees and be farmers. Because that's the whole structure. Because it's all farming. It's like, okay, you want the grain? That's what you can't make a cow do anything. It's about the grain, right? And then you get them in debt and then you milk the future. Like you get that, that's why debt, money is debt. Because anything in the future that you have to pay comes off your kids. The milk goes to their kids that we're taking, right? And we take the sustenance in exchange for the grain and then. Quick one. And a world where AI is taking everyone's jobs and the value of all assets is going to zero. The only scarce resource left is Bitcoin. And if you're someone who wants to acquire more Bitcoin passively, you need to hear about Jim and I's new Bitcoin card. Every time you spend, you earn money back in crypto that's deposited directly into your account. 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I'm like, they're trying to keep it so things are just like in constant conflict and don't fall apart. And I think it's our job to be noble within that system and not mess with them. Just be good as us, you know, because when people give up autonomy, they're crazy. Like these spells just keep them in that zone where they just don't go nuts. You said that we should not mess with them. That's what you said? No, no, it's not the not mess with them. I understand their pain. They're farmers of man, right? So they they're literally farming the labor of man using gates, grain, all this stuff that I use with, you know, it's broadcasting seeds. It's all the same terminology. And that's why when people are like, you know, only governments would be in on it. I'm like me and my neighbor are like, have a whole different life than our cows. Like we're farmers. Like every government's a farmer. They're all social engineers that keep society, they keep that going. And it's up to us. just to be better people. You get the government you deserve. You want to give up your autonomy, they'll keep making more and more bullshit spells and laws. If you want to be noble and moral, you don't need a government. You don't need a farmer. Like if the cow just kept coming back in, which mine do because I'm moral, I can call my cow and it runs like a dog, right? Because I'm good to her. If I'm a McDonald's guy, I need like hell to keep them in place, you know? And that's why I would like a government with more free reign, but it requires us to be more noble people. Because if you give up your autonomy, I want, you know, door dash and Uber and pornoes and debt money and all this, it's like, okay, well, we're going to control it. You don't get a gun. Like you can't tie your shoes, you know? So do you see a lot of the problems going on as a result of people's individual actions? 100%. Yeah, they don't have any power. They're, they're wizards. Do wizards are like, they're wizards. They're not like us. They don't make shit. They just are like, here's the narrative. And then they just, they, they pull the resources. It doesn't make them happy, dude. It's like nothing, a manual labor. Dude, I, I love when we're clicking on that, like, Emmanuel means like to be next to God. And when I do manual labor, like I do completely unnecessary insane toil maxing, I feel great. I sleep great. I feel like I hurt, but I have like purpose. If you're just sitting in a castle counting beans and being afraid, I don't care how much money you have. Your life like sucks. Like I love toil maxing. That's why the Jews I get along with are the ones that like carpentry and shit. Like Jesus, right? Because they, they're doing something. So if you take any group and make them like derivative guys, they're going to go nuts. Like I have a lot of friends that are nuclear physicists. They get in a world where like you got to do. I know shit. It's like they get so theoretical. I'm like, dude, you got to like, can we like make a bomb? You know, they don't have, not that I've ever asked that, but they're not like doing anything. It's like very detached from reality. It's like, oh, so all of NASA's and I'm like, they look at his screen and count beeps. It's like that show on HBO. It was that, uh, it was called like illumination. And then when he left, he lost that memory and became a different person. And he realized that he didn't know the other person existed. And then he realizes that there's two totally different worlds. And when he's at that job, he's just connecting like squares and hitting triangles like DARPA does to monkeys. Like they're not doing shit. I think they take the highest IQ guys and they're like, you want to see the gases of Uranus? Like it's crazy. It's called your reign. Dude, USA today said Uranus smells like farts because it was filled with freaking sulfur. I'm like, that's a comedian. Uranus smells like farts. USA today. I'm like, you guys are dicks. It's like, what the fuck? Dude, I used to do a physics podcast at Caltech. That's the funniest thing about people being like, oh, how daring you're so fucking stupid. I'm like, dude, I interviewed all the guys at the Nobel Prizes. That's why I got disillusioned. Like, it's like a game. Dude, Alfred Nobel killed everyone. You know the story of Alfred Nobel? So he invents like TNT. He's like, no one is just like warmonger. They think he dies, but he doesn't die. They're right in obituary. They're like, man of murder or dead. And so he's like, oh, shit. So he creates a Nobel Prize so that like people associated him with good shit. And it's always been super corrupt and stupid. Like Alfred Nobel sucked. I'm not going to say sucked. TNT, I get it. It's just a product. I'm not saying, but it's not he's not the peace guy. He had vanities. Like, I don't want to be remembered like that. So I guess on the portion of you said that it's kind of comes from us. Like, we were would be the change to stop it. Like, we allow these things to happen to us. Like, don't you think that like, it's possible that someone could influence like one percent of your behavior? Dude, I'm being influenced right now. Yeah. Like, I didn't win. So do you think it's possible that someone could influence five percent of your behavior? Like that one percent. I'm giving up, which I do. I know I do. Like, I, I still hate changing the oil in my car. Like, I don't like doing a lot of shit. I know that part of me is like, I'll just go along with it. And I'm like a stubborn, intense, you know, outlaw of the shit. And I still feel it in myself. Like I, like some people are like, man, you've got out. I'm like, I'm never, no one's ever out. You're always trying to spot in you that's being influenced. And it's always our choice. It's like, yeah, take it. Like, something with marriage, you guys will like this for the future. My wife always asked me like, what I want for dinner. And I'm pretty flow state. And I don't really care. And I used to be like, whatever. She wants me to make a choice. She wants me. And so I do, even though I just think of anything. So this time I said salmon because she's like, no, you take agency. And I was like, I don't, I don't want. I don't care. And I'm like, no, no, I care about her. She wants me to make the call. So I will. That's a microcosm of everything. Fractals are every, it's all a fractal. It's like, you want to understand the nature of the system, the deep state. Look at the abuse of person in your life. Fear, you're nothing dependency mind game. It's all like narcissistic abuse. Why? Power. Right? In security. Those are the beginners that lead to someone being powerful. Fake power. Yeah. Good call. I like your autism. Like the force type. Not the real power. You're right. Like the real power in my opinion, theologically all comes from the creator. That's why I have the monotheistic theology because it's a gift to us. But like in the sense of social and but that's the irony. They don't really have power because they have to go with their bullshit. Like they can't make a hard turn. You saw that with Trump. Like one day he's like Israel's being fucking annoying and everyone turned on him immediately because they don't love him. They want their agenda. It's like if you go with our thing, we will praise you, you know? And so that's why we don't, we have a ton of power in the sense that we have free will, but it's all a gift. Like we don't really, but the more honest we are, the more it's given to us in my opinion. Have you ever considered that maybe we don't have free will because of the fact that of the importance? Yeah, it's a paradox, but typically a paradox is just because I don't see a wide enough scope because like I still like, so theologically if someone's like the creator knows all perfect, then how do we have free will? Because it's all laid out like a like a program. But we also have free will. And I don't know how that fits together. I know it sounds like a paradox, but it. I don't know. I just my answer to this is it feels right. It feels like right, right, right. You know, yeah, it's like you can tell like, oh, maybe I didn't have free will about this thing. I didn't know about the terminus guys never act like they believe it. Like you never see Sam Harris be like, but the Islamists can't help it. None of us have free will. He's like mad at him, right? Like because that happens with the guy that says everything is one. Some of my friends are like, we're all one. I'm like, so where's our car? Oh, it's your car, right? You know, it's like, we're not really why do I girls? I have your car, too. It's like our car. You know, maybe we're all one, but like, it's like during COVID, I'm like, you're not acting scared. You had the mask off until you fucking stood up and then you put it on. I'm like, if you thought you could die from a virus, you wouldn't be at TGI Fridays, right? You'd be at home scared. And those are the people I think got got through fine, even the vast ones. I think if they believed it, they didn't take on too much debt from that. I think I think unless you're aware and you're consciously doing it, I don't think it affects you really very much. Like you're consciously going with the social world. Yeah, if you're like, dude, this is super scary. And this Vax is going to really help my grandma. I don't think it affected the people I think it affected the most were the ones that didn't like new. I think there's an innocence that happens if you don't know. I can't, I can't explain that or put it on a spreadsheet, but like I keep seeing that. I've seen that in my own life. Because you know, I was rep by basically the inner circle of hell, very successful and Hollywood. That's like what you make a wand out of. But like I know I didn't get in that group. Like I never, like how did that? I was going to write a movie called Gary Rothschild who just like accidentally, like keeps joining groups and shit. Because I never was a, I never wanted that. And that's why I think I couldn't keep going there. And I don't think there was too much karmic debt, you know. Four groups have you accidentally joined? Well, nothing. No, nothing. I just kept thinking like if it's all just like stupid symbols, like what if you accidentally debt, like you're like, man, my, my eye is itchy and so on. Like my name is Owen Benjamin Smith because there's an Owen Smith comedian. And, and people were like, you can't be Owen Smith. We think you're that guy. And that was when I was first starting. And I wanted to keep my name, but they're like, just pick a different name. I'm like, it's my name. So I went with my middle name. And then people are like, Oh, Ben Juman's. And I'm like, Oh, I accidentally now have a name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. I didn't fucking choose that. But it's like, you know what I mean? And I am an 8th J. I don't even know what that means. But I think it's almost like wave in particle shit with light. I think the race, religion thing is just a show game. A show. Okay. Yeah. Where it's like, it's a, it's a part, lights a particle when we need it to be or a wave when we need it to be like, is being Jewish a race? How can a religion be a race? But you had a lot of them look the same, right? And I think part of it is like the legal, I know I'm just kind of rambling, but the legal loopholes of like, you can't like do something legally to a race for the religion, but you can't religiously be a race. Like how could I be part Mormon or like, part Quaker, like part Presbyterian, I'm a quarter Presbyterian. I'm half Muslim, an eighth Jewish and an eighth Quaker, like that sounds retarded. It's kind of like what is a religion. Right. What would you think, man? Like listen to my notes. That kind of sounds like like I'm high when I said that. No, but dude, the fundamentals right now where the gravy is, because we keep operating like everyone knows what these words mean. I have here, I said, and I'm religious, by the way, I said, religion is the belief in a thing that will make you happy. But I think it's true, though, man. I like, I've lived some shit where, and I'm a skeptic, I don't believe in pandas, you know? And I'm like, dude, this is like, there's shit in the Bible that is, it was just more accurate than I was getting in other places where I'm like, it just resonates with me. That's fair. Like, I can't like prove it, but I don't think, I think it's a category error where I don't think you're supposed to prove a religion. Like faith isn't a proof. Yes. That's I think that's the big thing. It's like, well, I'm like, you can't prove metaphysical truth. It's like proving the number five, like show me five, right? Right? Yeah, it's an interesting one. I think the entire religion, like, how do you view your own religion? I tell people spiritual Christian because it's like, I am Christian, but I know about all the stuff you're talking about. And I know that it's real. So it's like, do you say you're a Christian? Because that is really encapsulated if you have this other noses, perhaps. And I'm naturally so devil's advocate for archetype that I'm like, you don't want me around. Like, I always ask weird questions. You know, I'm like, but I do feel that though. Like I identify with I once joked, I was like, no, I think it's too real to be a Christian. Because so many of these guys, they, that's so true. They say they're Christian, but they every action they do is not like even the doom shit now. They're like, oh, they're going to enslave us on. Like, it's called the good news, right? The gospel is the good news. Like, so is it the bad news? Like, how do you look? Like, don't you win if you like accept the truth? Like, but they're they're acting like that. Don't get me wrong. I think horror abounds if you don't, but like, you just got to have actual faith and things just keep working out. I think the behaviors of a person often reflect what religion they actually are. Yes. That's why some Muslims are like my brother. You are Islamic. You know about debt. And because I like goat hurting. Yeah. And it's so funny how that is because there's a type of Christian that gets along with Muslim because you're like, because you're actually looking at the Bible. You're like, oh, yeah, you're supposed to not like expose your chick like in public with porn. I was it, you know, and they're like, they're like, oh, no, that's Islamic. I'm like, what if there's just truth? And then there's corruption. Like, if you look at early America, it looks like they're wearing hijabs. They're like, women are covered. Really? Oh, yeah, you look at like 1910 coming off Ellis Island, all the Catholics, the women wear like scarves, not like the Pac-Man goes crazy shit, but just, but just like, you know what I mean? But just basic, you know, if you taught in a school, you had to cover down to your ankles and you couldn't do this and blah, blah, blah. There was like modesty laws. Yeah. And it's because it's not because they like are like proofs or whatever. It's because they know the weakness of it. They know that that's a way to weaken people, you know, to like get them jacked up on too much stimulation. And then population goes down. Everyone's got a Subaru. Who do you think is the single most powerful wizard aloft today? I don't think you know his name. Did I want to write a movie about it's called Synop? Because sometimes I feel like I know almost too much about it where I'm like, am I kind of like, why do I know this? Like, that's kind of weird. And I because like the craft of comedy can be awesome at relieving stress, but it can also be super dark, right? And so I'm like, why is my craft so dark? Like, I know how to do these cynical things. And I want to write this movie where I get like kicked out of Hollywood all this stuff. And I'm in a farm and I'm death of it. I start getting these things in the mail that just says like Synop, I N E P and it just says keep pulling the thread and all the stuff like this benefactor. And it turns out it's basically the devil. And he was like, I don't know, you call it the devil, but he's like, he was from early 20th century, like centuries old. And he was trying to stand up and was taking his jokes. You know, it's like this whole story. And so cynically to show how everyone sucked, he started doing all these spells and Synop is the biggest corporation in the world and just penis backwards because everything's like a peanut like the rockets. Blue origins literally a dick. The CEO is Dave Limp, literally Dave Limp is the CEO fact. I will not apologize for making that connection. And so he's like, I'm like, how are you 180 years old? He's like, I don't eat the funny food. I'm like, what's the funny food? He's like, all the food I feed you. It's like poison, isn't that hilarious? And so my conflict, I'm like, it's so funny, but it's so even in my conflict is like to reject evil because the joke is on man versus the joke is on evil. I try to keep all my jokes like mocking weakness evil. That there's an evil comedy that mocks man. Well, like, look how stupid because the devil is always like, you think they're better than me. God, you I was your special boy, right? It's like because God gave us dominion. And he, you know, that envy, the envious one is what the Muslims call shaytan, right? And so he's always like mocking man. Like, look what I got him to believe. Like they were getting people to swab their asses for COVID in China. That's that dude, that's it's called humiliation kind of is punked. It's like, look at what we just did at Justin Bieber. Like I used to punk celebrities. Like, look, we made him cry, right? But see, I was doing it to break their ego. Like the celebrity look, we can break you, you know, but I think they're like, when the devil does it to like kids and shit. And that's when it's like real fucked up. And there's a comedy to it that's dark. And so I want to write this movie about my rejection of the father of lies, which is like this, the richest and because think about it, I'll offer you the world. You can be the greatest comedian ever. Fuck these people because right when I was getting cancelled, some people I could tell were like, you hate him, don't you? You want to like fuck it? You know, like, they want to stoke my revenge, Embers. And I was like, I spotted that. I'm like, that's when I'm like, oh, no hard feelings, man. Like it's all good because forgiveness is powerful. I used to for briefly, I was like, oh, that's weak. And it's not. It's like the most powerful thing you can do is having no hard feelings. Oh, it's so powerful because like forgiving is when they let you go. It's weird. The devil wants you to be like, look at what Joe Rogan said about you and his tiny little card. Don't you want to mock him and like make him sell you know. And it's like, no, you can have his little pants and his little car. It's all good. Like because I live in paradise. If you came to my place, it's like a painting. I've like four beautiful children running around like literally like, oh, pack his frallicking. Imagine if I was resentful. That's like such a, it's like such bullshit. It's like, it's like so bad to guys like, no, I need more. You know, I've like more than I ever could have imagined. It's like, but I need someone to apologize for me for being me and online. I need to be back on D live. I think it's not a business now, you know. Who do you think invented cancel culture? Well, you know, the shame tacked. I think there's a, every inversion has a good element. I like good cancel culture. Like I have my own app because I had to make one. But and I'm it's it's like super you know, tied on rules, but it's like good. It's always the good, the truth is beautiful. Like nothing a five year old can't see. Like I canceled it. Everybody, but it's it's like I explain it. Nothing sexual, no politics, no, no conspiracy debating. I'm like post beautiful things, help, try and find jobs, get wives, like start families. Because that's what I think social media should be. And so the inversion is canceled. Dude, a high level grab where once told me they go, our policy is no living heroes. Because living heroes used to almost cancel their wars. They're a Lindbergh was against World War II and he almost stopped World War II. That's why every hero now has to either be constantly shamed and humiliated or fake. That's a policy. And I get it. I understand it. Imagine if you have a living hero that isn't that's like like Charlie, Charlie Kirk was like starting to be a little more of a real hero and they're like, what can I don't know. I think it was so far in was the problem. It's like, you know, you shouldn't take their money on that scale, you know. Because then they feel they feel like they own you. It's like like a girl at a bar taking drinks from a creep. They're like over time. He's like, but I gave you the drinks. That's why I don't take shit from any of it. I'm like, it sounds like I'm paranoid, but I'm not. I'm like, I don't want anything. I have my own well. I grow food. I'm like, I don't want to owe the devil anything. But it's all good news. I'm not saying this like people should be bummed. It's actually like really cool to see that we have like so much agency and it's like, it's like fair kind of, you know. If we had a mutual goal, I guess. Because I want more people to think in a different way. Personally, like, what do you mean by different? I'll get it like in a way that they're more openness stuff. It's like, I can't even like get my parents to like get on board with one conspiracy or one things aren't the way you think they are because there's not like a good one to get your foot in the door. Well, I think this isn't about dialectic or truth or proofs. It's about rhetoric. So what I like to do is people tend to reject that because they're afraid of what's on the other side or they feel shame like that means I'm a duped. I've been tricked. I've lived a lie. All this stuff. Right. That's why I like to make it fun, funny and like not a bit. That's why a panda's are perfect. I agree. Yeah, because it's like fun, right? Because if you say the moonlight didn't happen. So my grandfather's a liar. So those memories I had. So all the books I read, like, and it's like, no, your grandfather's not a liar. And learning all that shit is really interesting. And maybe it happened. I just don't think so. Neither does Vivian Kubrick. I had Vivian Kubrick on. And I was like, you think your dad shot it and she goes, no, it would have looked real. Because production guys like me, like, I don't know shit about rockets. I know about production. And I'm like, you're not doing a live feed and negative 273 degrees in a vacuum 240,000 miles away with a tilt up rack focus with something going 3000 feet. I'm like, that logistically is impossible in production. So they said, yeah, all the footage is fake, but we were there. I literally probably would have been like, oh, cool. But they're like, oh, no, that's their plan. Three single part of it is real. Right. Like, dude, the production, I'm like, so if that production is real, like, I don't trust you now, because you don't, you know, when it's like, like, tilt up rack focus. So like, a rocket's going up. You're tilting up and focusing in. You're doing it from remote control 240,000 miles away. The first time you try it in a vacuum from Houston through radiation belt. No, like the amount of energy unit, like a battery gets shitty when it's 30 degrees, negative 273 degrees. No, like, so give me the battery. Like, can I buy the battery because my batteries get real shitty at zero degrees? Are there any other animals you think are fake? It's not that I necessarily think they're fake. Did you want to hear the newest one that's great? Like, all right. Well, there's a few one. I just want answers are about eels. No one knows how they reproduce. And you'll see videos where they act like they know they actually don't know. And when you understand how crazy that is, they don't know how eels reproduce. Can we not just capture one? They don't reproduce with them. They don't know where eels come from. So if you had eels on your farm, they wouldn't reproduce. Nope. Dude, that's weird. I have no claims. It's just they don't know where eels come from. Okay. Penguins, I think are very mysterious. And I'll tell you why fashion is so emblematic of power. So why is it tuxedo? A tuxedo. You know, you don't really think about it. You're like, oh, that's a sweet tuxedo. It's like by the fuck that everyone started dressing like a penguin, right? Like with a tail, because they didn't use to before they'd be like, colorful. You look at the Medici bankers and stuff. Why did the Rothschilds get an island in Antarctica in 1815? That's a news. Why is it called an emperor penguin? Why is the reason we can't go there to protect the penguins? Why did John Kerry go to Antarctica on Election Day in 2016 to check the penguins? What the fuck? Why did penguins hoard shiny little pebbles? And again, they fostered each other for the pebbles too. And they're all bisexual. That's true. And they all can't do physical labor. And they waddle around like literally the penguin and Batman. And it's like, listen, I don't know the answer to this one, but there's something very, I have some theories that are fucking out there. But I think, and I'm not saying penguins are midgets and suits or anything, but like, I think there's a relationship between animals and human cultures that I don't fully understand. Like, I think butterflies are like trans. So a cat, a pillar working hard gets in a cocoon, doesn't speakable acts, becomes goo, and becomes like a flippity butterfly that gets pinned to it. You know, I don't really think that, but like, why don't you see seem so nervous to say the penguin one? Because the implications are insane. I think that it's a, it's a tale of where like, where some, some shit is, you know, there's some history behind banking that's so wacky, dude, because the, all right, if you're like, this is the love of your enemy thing. It's like when you actually view it through other people's eyes, like, it would be hard being a central banker. Like, imagine you lend money to one of these kings for a war. They don't pay it back. So they just kill you. Like that actually did happen to them. So then you hide the gold, but eventually there could be a revolution. They just take back the gold. So you have to really think, like, where do you put the gold? Where do you put the gold? Like, where's the point? Nox and I think, okay, where is the one place that the entire world for the last 60 years has agreed that no one can go to for no fucking reason? But it's because aliens are there. It's because of secret military. Maybe they already took it out, but there was a revolution in France in like 1848 and somebody was like, okay, Rothschilds, we have to tabloid up. Where's the gold? And they, they, they did give coordinates that it was like Antarctica. Dude, it's called Rothschild Island next to Deception Island. And you can't see it on fucking Google map like it. It's pixelated on Google maps. And this is the one thing I like about Bitcoin. I don't like the culture on Bitcoin, but the one thing is the, the contract lineage, like the tracking of the contract is always very valuable of who owes what, right? And so they would always burn that shit. So imagine you want to like hide that. Like, you can't even hide in Switzerland. Switzerland can still be taken over. There's still political problems. You know, it's so hard to have a fiat currency back by gold because you're like, where do you put the gold? Like, like, if people get pissed off enough and they start guillotineing, they're going to get your gold again. And that's where I do have compassion for bankers because they did get kind of fuck with by some pretty unscrupulous kings. And so they're like, okay, the penguins, and I don't know why they started dressing and acting like them, but like, it's weird. Man, it's called the emperor penguin. And you're not allowed to go there. Like, and then they say, oh, you can go there. Yeah, it's a three square mile thing. Now you can't just go to Antarctica. There's literally an Antarctic treaty that during wars, everyone's like, yeah, but one of the biggest nasty battles in the whole thing was in fucking Antarctica. No one talks about it. And you want to the cover story? I never wanted whales for oil. So 5,000 miles away from Germany has whole battalions in Antarctica. There is a battle. 1939 to front war. What did they fight? I don't know. It's like, it definitely happened. They were there. There was not shit all over the place. They had a base. And the lie is preposterous. I feel like it's like Patrick Bateman lies like the lies are so stupid like the videotapes. It's like, it up here is a vegetarian and whales suck at giving you oil. Like, would they go 5,000 miles to get oil from fucking whales? No. All right. Last thing about Antarctica. So everybody in war wants to high ground, right? Everything's about the high ground. You ever look into the average elevation of each continent? No. Australia is the lowest average elevation like 700. You know, then you got like Europe, you know, maybe 1200. You got like 2,000 Asia, 2,300. Antarctica's 9,000 feet average. Look fact. This is a fact. It has an average elevation of 9,000 feet. And people go, what is that man? It's like, I don't know, like, all of battle is about getting the high ground. Like, why is the Antarctic treaty in place? Why were the night is there? Why do all the elites dress like fucking penguins? Like, once you see that, it's like, like, because we all just think it makes total sense. Oh, yeah, we have like white bellies and a little black tail. Oh, so in a little black tail. And we waddle around and we get little diamonds. And you know, we fight wars for the diamond. It's like, but why not wear like colorful shit? Like, why not wear a different suit? Like, why do you dress like penguins right around fucking 18 12? Is there weren't tuxedos before that man? I'm usually pretty good at these things. Like, but I don't know. I can't make the jump. I can't make the jump either. And people then get pissed at me. They're like, but then what is it? I'm like, it's just fun to ponder. What are the things that they're facing? Central bankers, like, they have to have the gold somewhere to print the dollars. And people can be dicks to bankers. They just take it back. They're like, oh, you have an army. You know, so if you hide it, like leprechauns, no offense. It's like, it has to be some place really far away. And it has to be a place where no one will ever go. Do you think space is fake? See, the face is fake is good rhetoric, but it gets people spiraling because it's like, is like space. Of course, like, yeah, outer space. Like outer space has described, I think of no. What is it? I don't know. And I know Eric, it's thinner up there. I just, I just the way it's described. Okay, for example, you just look at everything that's like forced down your throat and you're like, I know this isn't right, but I don't know what it is. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't accept that as to, especially with internal critique, internal contradiction. Right. And with like, I know you don't know. Like, for example, the internal structure of the earth, right? The deepest anyone's ever dug is seven miles, which is very deep. But this is where the joke comes in. Why I want to write that movie? Why don't they say the core of the earth is a spinning nickel? They say it's nickel and it's twisting. Dude, that's a joke. It's a spinning nickel. It's like, that's a, it's a banker joke. It's a nickel spinning. Because I'm like, how do you know that? They're like, oh, we did tests. I'm like, you never dug, you never, like I kind of, as much as that was ridiculous and that guy was saying that about Gaza, that you've never been as kind of valid sometimes. It's like, you've never been. Remember that British guy with Dave Smith? When Dave Smith was like, dude, Gaza is all fucked up. He's like, what have you been there? Was that Joe Rogan? And I know who's being manipulative, but I'm like, but still though, like, have you been in the cross to the earth? - Right. - There's just assuming. And the assumptions they made going down were all false. - What do you think is the biggest lie we're being told recently? - I actually am not as afraid of AI and she like that. I think, like, they would affect my friends and family or like the big lie to like everybody. It's like the people I care about, the biggest lie. - Or in respect would be that-- - I think I should ask you this. Have you heard of the phrase like hajillion dialectic before like what I see with AI is AI is gonna kill us all. AI is gonna take your jobs. No AI is gonna be great and amazing. So I'm just wondering like what the real truth is, you think? - I just know. - I can't imagine like it's gonna kill us all. - No, theologically it can't. It's like, theologically, how can that? And you look at the people doing it and you see the behavior. Don't get me wrong, AI is a powerful tool. It does exist. It's not like some of these other things that are complete scams. It's pretty impressive. It does replace a lot of high level corporate money velocity jobs, you know, like true. It's like easy for them to just do that. But it doesn't do, it's like a tool. Like a tool doesn't have agency. And so when people talk about it's an empty vessel for demons that is kind of true, but it's like, but for the sloth of man where it's like, I give up agency to AI and that would allow more weakness to man is what I see as the fear. But dude, there's so many things that can go wrong with this infrastructure. It's like they always forget they need people to build other shit and maintain it. You know what dude? I saw a sign that said, don't plant, are you gonna laugh? And this is why it's all so funny. It said, don't plant bamboo near the data centers because bamboo grows out of control. It's so hard to get rid of unless you have a fucking pair of bears. And so like a imaginative bamboo takes out data centers. And then the Chinese are like, dude, that's why we invented pandas. 'Cause that's why I think they're there. I think they're the clear fields of bamboo. Like goats do for us. - The pandas? - Yeah, 'cause all they do is eat bamboo and it's not even good for them. It's filled with arsenic, makes them sleepy and stupid. They roll down hills like morons. - Why do you think the data centers are there? - No, data centers, like we'll have a sign that says don't plant bamboo near data centers because it could like destroy the infrastructure. - Well, I guess I just, I see all this rhetoric about data centers constantly and like this fear won't allow it. - Dude, I know. 'Cause it sounds terrible and everything and I don't want one near me. But it almost, it's just like, I know the behavior. They're always doing a scam. And one thing I think that happened is existential threat rhetorically moves people to an oddly invest. It's like blood diamond made people want to buy diamonds. They're like, people die for this. Do you love your wife? - Yeah, that was a commercial for fucking diamonds. As soon as you can make diamonds in a lab, no one wants them. They want to know that someone died, that gives value in a really fucked up way. - You said fear leads to people wanting to invest. - Yeah, imagine if they go, this is the God that will change all of economy. They're like, well, then I need to be a part of it. Like that's now a thing I'm gonna think about all the time. I've never seen a robot do anything. Ever, dude, and I'm like 46. I've been here in the shit for fucking ever. I had the Jetsons as a kid. These grabbers always want to replace man with machine. It's always the thing. I saw that in the Bitcoin culture too, where it's like, oh, Bitcoin will cure all our problems. I'm like, no, it's a tool. It can't do any, it's like just a tool. Same with AI. - That's so interesting what you're saying. I'm thinking about like if I wanted to get you to invest in my ozemic company, I'm in Europe just a smart investor. I wouldn't tell you that like it actually works. Like the clinical trial, people are losing weight. I would tell you it is the most addictive substance. - Exactly, exactly. - Exactly, I'll get out to buy. - Dude, OPM is what fueled all of it. It's like, no, this shit don't make people kill their family for it. Dude, I think again, total speculation is doing Dory's guys that go, pierce back. You ever see that guy? - Yeah, he does. - He goes, pierce back. It's like, I cannot prove this at all. The news story is about people killing each other for Nike's. I think was a Nike commercial. And if people don't think they can do twins to shit like that, just do it was that came from a serial killer at his execution. You know that, right? A guy was about to be electrocuted. He goes, just do it. Nike's like, perfect. And all these slogans, you know, obey your thirst. Once you pop, you can't stop. The best a man can get. Maybe it's Maybelline. You know, all these things, it sounds like a demon saying it, obey your thirst. It's addictive. - You're someone who hangs around the scientist. - Haha. - Yeah, I love scientists too. It's the funniest thing. I love the scientific method. 'Cause a lot of them don't like what's happened too. So I don't want to be too hard on the scientist. - You know, you watched the whole talker episode, right? - I'm like 20 minutes from the end. - 20 minutes from the end. There's a part in it where he says, I talked to the sky with like, top level security clearance. And he told me that there was one truth that could in the entire world. And I was thinking about what that could be. - Me too. - As what do you think it is? - Do you think Nukes are real? - No. - I think nuclear power is, I think there's devastating weapons. 'Cause some people are like, oh, you're such an optimist, Bimbo. You don't think things are, I'm like, dude, mustard gas, directed energy. Like, there's huge bombs. But the evidence isn't there. It's like, my dad was given a speech in a roast moment. I was a kid and I was terrified. He was gonna die 'cause I was hiding under a cardboard fucking desk because nuclear bombs. And people just were like, oh no, it'll be fine. I'm like, no, but Hiroshima has been nuked. It's like, a billion years is poison. And they're like, no, your dad will be fine. I'm like, noted. And then I started seeing more and more and I know these guys. And one of my buddies just goes, it's best to act like they're real. Like he's so autistic that he's like, game theory lowers his war. 'Cause everyone thinks that there's mutual destruction. It's game theory. I'm like, Jesus, dude. Yeah, and if you say-- - So if everyone believed they were fake, it would have to be theory. - I would be a rant. I'd be invaded. You have to have existential, everyone dies from a button, which is classic narcissistic personality disorder. Like I will kill everyone if you don't do what I say. You know, I think some of these people would hit the button. They're not, they're like, blood thirsty. You don't make weapons you don't use. And people go, well, my uncle, for 30 years, I'm like, he guarded a button. Watch the show lost. You know, like when I was a kid, I was in those programs, you know, that now Candace Owens is revealing his CIA. And it's like, I used to be in, like, work with this DARPA scientist to see if I could like feel consciousness in a box 'cause of my IQ score and shit. And it's like, I know those DARPA guys. I know how this shit works. It's like, if you guard a button, it's a red button. And they're like, if you press it, everyone dies. Like, emotionally, you now are invested, but did you ever see a fucking nuke? No, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan surrendered because 1.5 million Russians invaded Manchuria, 48 hours later. Nagasaki and Hiroshima, a bunch of people died, but way more people died in eight other Japanese cities 'cause of fire bombing, 'cause everything's wooden. You know, people on the ground said it was fire bombing. There was only one journalist allowed to report on it. It was a Lithuanian Jew working for the State Department. That's where all of it came from. And it's like, why would they lie? Why wouldn't you lie? Like, I can't even understand why you're in a war. You wanna end the war. This big, like as a parent, you know, if you say there's a monster in the pond. Like, oh, it's better for my kids than won't drown. But then it has bullback. Every lie has bullback. Because that lie does work for a while. If everyone has a nuke, no one will fight 'cause we'd all die. It's, you know, it's like prisoner's dilemma type shit, but then it becomes like a protection racket. If you have a nuke, you're in a club. If you don't, we can invade. It's all financial system shit. And some people understand if this sounds like nonsense, but like, do you think Trump thinks we have nucks? - I do. That's what's interesting about a lie. - I think he found out they didn't after like a, I bet he was like, fuck and press it. And I don't even think the general, the general's might not even know. This is the craziest thing is some high level people don't get to know the truth because their motivations are all fucked up and they're empty vessels. - And if lies are so old, then people die. - Exactly. - And the lies just stick. - Yeah, yeah. And it's like, the carrots and sticks don't motivate them to figure out their basis. Like we just asked what is religion, right? So it's like, you can have full structures, like Fort Knox, no golden it, but everyone's just acting like there is. And there is magic in that. You act like things and then things start happening because of human behavior. It's very strange. Like what are you and Tucker were talking about? Like Fiat, like if you believe it has value, you treat it like it has value and then the economy grows, but it's a picture of a guy with one teeth. It's like, what is it, Dauer? Like if you act like it, you do see the economy grow, but then as soon as people start questioning it, and then people could say, so what you're doing is damaging and people questioning these things are fundamentally, I'm like, no, no, it's starting to outweigh like every one of these scams ends in catastrophe because the lies, you have to pay the debt back. You can't, it's like biological usery with like drugs. Like if you do a lot of blow, you're gonna have to sleep. Like you have to pay it back with interest. Lies eventually have to get paid back. You can't keep going with them, especially if you're pulling something from them. You know what I see the nuke right? And I'm like trying to say this to like chill people out. I'm not trying to be a dick 'cause people are so afraid. They're like, we're all gonna get nuked. I'm like, now what I think they would do is a mushroom cloud and then use 5G to mimic the root. You know what I'm like, but just don't be afraid. Like the key, you know, why would they kill you? You work exactly that, but it's about control 30 30 miles. Oh, no, there's a cloud of radiation and you could mimic the effects because radiation needs energy. You could mimic the effects. You could radiate a population using a lot of electricity and like microwaves and shit, but not that bad, but it can scare people to be like, oh, I can't go to that zone. From the recent files, it's clear, Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with theoretical physics and mathematics. Yeah, he was the ultimate wizard dude. That's a him and banner both total wizards. Why do you think Epstein was so obsessed mathematics? The wizard's it. It's just a good, well, one, they all want to live forever, which they can't. So they're always trying to do that. So that's their whole thing. They're like, because once you get out the hedonic tremolo, that's why I have a lot of respect for Bill Zarian because he's like, there's nothing there. And when your identity is the guy that like banged his way into like a half a billion dollars, like letting go of that is so cool that he did that. He's like, it's like heroin. Nothing happens. You just keep banging and then nothing. I think what happens to a lot of these guys is they're like, okay, I want to live forever. Like, I'm not satisfied by anything. My dick doesn't even work anymore. And he can't, but I don't even, because they don't even have faith. It's like, I think your temporal body dies. You know, it's like, I think that might be the most beautiful thing to live a good life and die well. And they're like resisting it, you know? And I think that's why Epstein was so obsessed with science. He thinks that they can crack the code, but it's like absurd. It's like saying I'm going to get rid of winter. It's like, you don't think he was just blackmailing all the scientists. I don't think blackmail coercion only works once. I think he was feeding, I think it's a far darker to admit that they, he was feeding them these horrible things and they wanted to be there. Because imagine if I'm like, Jack, put me on Thursday or else I'm going to reveal we're never buddies again. Like you have one time and that'll work for about a few months and then you're going to try and kill me. So to get a long-term coercion, you want to feed them shit. You want to give them stem cells and access to the horrors. You know, it's like feed them appetite shit that they can't get other places. This is actually one problem I had with one of Tucker's pieces of rhetoric was the whole idea around demons kind of influencing people's behaviors. Is it I would say the counter argument I'm not saying I think this is the case. What I thought about was maybe like we're just too afraid to look at that people can be pretty fucked up sometimes. Did I have a friend that I respect a lot that says that the key is to not say like a demon like it's it's influence. So it's like it's as long as you still take authority, I think you can have the conversation of of of influence of like an entity influencing you. The minute you say like oh, I was simply possessed. That's that's again victim consciousness. That's the behavior of the very people that people are calling the evil people. Oh, we had the bomb Lebanon. If not, we'd be turning to soap or whatever. You know, it's like everyone does that. People are doing that with Jews now. They're like we have to do this or else they're going to I'm like dude, it's all in here, man. It's in here like the demon can't make you do anything. It's like a suggestion. It's an offer because the minute you say it's demons doing it, you've now given up your free will and then everything flips. It doesn't work anymore. I'm with you with that. What do you think OCD is? Great question. I listen to this guy Lord Buckley. He's like an old school comedy writer. There was in that scene was like a junkie recovered and he does these long bios and comedians and I didn't know how like dark a lot of their lives were like the the classics, you know, like dark lives, man. And like Chris Farley at OCD and he once said it's me evening the score and I've been thinking about that a lot. You think it's a way to feel like you have control in a world where you don't feel like you have control where like if I tap this light switch nine times like I'm in control, that's all I got for that. What do you think it is? I think the idea of spirits with your best intentions and spirits with your worst intentions giving you thoughts makes sense a little bit. I really think it's some type of tapping into something spiritual. I can't tell what it is. Yeah. It feels like I think it's ritual. It's almost like a religious act. Because I look at Christian ritual versus nonsense like Christian rituals that have purpose. Like I used to think the the bread and wine was dark and I now think it's great. It's it's it's getting people off cannibalism. Like the bread is the but yeah, I now think it's awesome. And so when a ritual has purpose, it's great. And I know a lot of religious calls that they don't even know why they're doing it. Like do some of the J's are so funny. They're like spin a towel and jump backwards. And you're like, why did you do that? They're like, we don't know. And I think that's kind of OCD. It's ritual. It's a religious ritual without a purpose. And I don't know what that does. I think everyone has a look. Occasionally, I'll find myself being like, why did I do that? Like that didn't make any sense. I think it's taking a meaningless action on anxiety typically. But like I wouldn't consider anxiety to be like DS in five type anxiety. Like I I use it as a word to describe just like what is anxiety is probably like just uncertainty, really? Do the manual labor, bro. That's that's like OCD and the right side up because you get anxiety because you're not doing anything that you can look at and be like, sweet. So you're like, but if you're just doing that shit, you don't need to do that because you're do you're physically getting your anxiety out by positively affecting the world around you. Like being a parent, it's building self-esteem is all about little wins all the time. Exactly. Yeah. Like you want that shore like this thing, like just building it slowly. And it's like that with accomplishment. Like think about how many jobs you don't get to see the end results. Why I'm this stair free like I love the stairs. Like you can be a billionaire and you never see it end. You just are in this stream of bullshit. It's literally nothing. Nothing's there. Yeah. I didn't give him much thought to that, but like, it's like castles and airships, bro. Imagine a castle like you're like tada versus like, it's just a stream is, you know, when you look at a moving river. That's why I love doing the live stream by the live stream. It's never the same. It's never one thing. It's always something different all the time. And I think consciousness is kind of like that. Like it's the river as a thing is always something new. Like the water is never the same like a lake. You can't be like the water of the river. It just changed, changed, changed. There's no present to a river. This is a good one for you. What do you think IQ is? I do actually think it's culturally subjective a little bit. Do you really think it's a genetics thing or do you think it's possible that it's some behavior anxiety, some uncertainty? I don't know. Because I used to take identity pride in it. And now I don't. Because it's like, I see the weaknesses of it. And it's not even that great. It just means you can have processing speed to do nonsense. I think if you have good morality, it doesn't even matter. I agree. It might be like management, like ability where you can conceive of multiple things happening at the same time. Like I can play piano and do comedy and rip. But who cares? You know, it's like, if you have like a clean line of like fundamentals, you're so much more effective. Like some high IQ guys are just churning bullshit all the time. And I like feel for them. They're like in constant misery. Like imagine working at NASA and just never going to the moon. Like your whole life, you're like, dude, they said tomorrow forever. Dude, every present is like by 1988, a baby will be born. You look at even mosque. It's like, it's like by 2012. We'll be like, you know, having babies on the moon. And it's like imagine being the guy like as a skeptic. It doesn't affect me. Imagine being like, here we go, baby. And it just never comes. You could have just built some stairs. Right. And then they have investment bias where they're like, well, on this far end, I can't pull out now. That's a big spell. I tell that to people, even that have done horrible things in their life. One devil whisper is like, you're far to end. They will never love you. Like you can not be forgiven. And that's a lie. You just have to admit it, though. You can't pretend it's good. Yeah, you can't be like my identity. It's like, I'm a drunk, dude. You know, yeah. So what? I kill some dudes. You can't be like, it's good. I think you can like be forgiven internally and just in life. If you're just like, yeah, that was wrong. That's why I have respected Tucker, man. It's such a he genuinely does inspire me because they never admit they're wrong. And he was like, yeah, I was wrong about the wreck war. Like that's so fucking rare. Right. Because there have so much ego. And it's just like just admit it. We all know it's bullshit. Yeah. That's how you break your own spells that you put on your soul. None of us are always right. Like this idea of perfectionism is like insane. It's like we're all on a journey. If we always are right, then we're not exploring. We're not making mistakes. We're not trying new shit. And what does right even mean? You know? Right. Right. Did you say that Nick Fuentes is a woman? I'd give it 15%. He's got that voice. And he's like, dude, this is going to sound a little slant. I don't even want to get into it. But it's just like, 'cause I may be completely wrong, but he admitted he's IVF, may in the lab. And he just-- - He just acts like he doesn't have, this is gonna sound great. - He's a twin. - I know. - You could have, if you have twins. - They always do that and it's a girl twin. And he suspiciously is like very small and he has a voice that sounds hormonal and it just, he acts like he doesn't have a penis. I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick, but he just, he has that vibe of like, of like, oh, I don't like you. You know, 'cause I think he's funny in a way, but he's like mean, girly. But dudes can act like that too. You know, I don't, he's probably not a woman, but you know, like Milo implied that there was a surgery gone wrong, but he can really just say wild shit. Like I never start shit. When people talk shit about me, I'm like, you finally greenlit me. I have all these jokes. - Yeah. - And so, you know, and I don't even care, but he has like just said flat out absurdities. And I'm like, okay, I'll dance. I like improv. I'll make fun of you. A white nationalist named Flentays. This is my fucking birthday. Might as well be named Burrito. Like this is hilarious, you know? It is like little, he's like this little dude. He's like five, three. I know, the only thing I actually might have bigotry for, I might be a heizard promises. And I do work on that. It's just, they're all short. Like all the monsters, it's not even like a racer thing. They're all fucking short. - You think so? - Yeah, do you go through the whole list? Did even the serial killers, Ted Bundy was tall. So was that other guy, but the control, it's the control freak guys. - You think serial killers are real? - Good point, man. But if you're that amcade and you go along with it, it's still fucked up. Did you ever looked into Kelsey Grammer's family history? - Don't know. - Yeah. - The guy from cheers who had that, who had his own sitcom is the highest paid sitcom star. It was called out. You know what that show was? It was called, like, it was huge. It was like a bald guy who's a psychiatrist, all that shit. It's hilarious, you don't know that. I was like the biggest show ever. And dude, two of his family members are murdered. It's insanely suspicious. And I always wonder like, how do you, how do you become like that guy where you can get away with anything accused of rape? You're always flipping cars on track. Well, yeah, you're the highest paid guy and your dad and sister, your sister's killed by a serial killer. And it's like, the case is retarded too. And it's like, I think the Black Lives Matter shit's nuts, I also think that they sometimes do pin it. I'm like, just random black dude. I think this random black guy's like, just got pinned as a fucking serial killer and he's definitely not a serial killer. And the case is nuts. It was like, he was real like jumpy with the cops. And I think what they do is they have these brands like serial killers and they're like lumping kills with them as a branding thing, right? One I noticed that I thought you would think was interesting was like, it seems like anyone would be afraid of joining a community that has like its own like religion and rules where they like are self-sufficient because it just sounds like a cult. And like you just think that there's gonna be like some like weird sex shit. Yeah, 'cause people call me a cult leader all the time. And I'm like, like I'm like socially awkward. I like to be a loner ton and I don't tell people what religion to be. I don't even tell people to vote or I'm like so not the guy that's like you to be married. I like a monogamous. I'm like, oh, it's because I'm not in your cult, right? 'Cause I think culture for culture. Like I do build culture, you know, I do. But I think a cult implies truth comes from the leader which I actually is one of my fundamental things that I think is like one of the evils of the world. I'm like, I don't know the truth. Like I don't worship of a cult leader is like hell. I would never want that 'cause then they eventually hate you 'cause you're also responsible for all the bad shit. I don't worship is a fucked up relationship, man. So, but yeah, you're right. Like as soon as people are doing their own thing, oh, you drank the Kool-Aid. That guy was like, you ever look into that guy? Well, is this meant to come? I can't remember, but that was a total op. He was like this big liberal. He was like pushing every liberal talking point. How he would love them, right? He's like, has this church. He's like promoting like old black people. He's like the most liberal guy. And then they go to fucking Africa. I like apparently poisons them with Kool-Aid. It wasn't even Kool-Aid. If I was Kool-Aid, I might have been an ad for Kool-Aid. Although, I wouldn't, I don't know. I don't think that one works. No one's like, I want a drink Kool-Aid after that shit, you know? But it was like a different drink. I remember that. Yeah, it was something some way. It was something some way. I went in and I don't know. It just didn't make much sense to me. You wrote in your book in chapter seven, a man whose entire identity is his appearance is a man who is abandoned in his function. What do you think it looks, Maxing? I think it's, that's why I do toil, Maxing. I have like a tiny soft spot for Kool-Aid because it's just, Maxing is such a funny theme and I love themes. I don't know if he invented it or not, but I always give credit if someone starts a funny thing, like, dude, it's so vapid and retarded, but objectively hilarious. He's sitting with this chick and she's like, why aren't you drinking water, right? He goes, I'm penis, Maxing. He wanted to make his penis look a little longer and he didn't act like it was funny. And I was like, that's, if he is deeply doing a joke, that's like the funniest thing ever. But anyway, so as far as spells go, it actually cucks you to women, you know? Because you're saying like, I want to be adorned as beautiful, it actually lowers the man's value, you know? And I'm not saying not to look better and care about your appearance, but it's like, I'll spend money to look beautiful so a woman wants me. It's like, I don't know, to me, that's just so strange. - What's the, I'm not asking, like. - No, I wouldn't, like, look Maxing should be like, nutrition, exercise. I believe in physiognomy. I think your face starts matching your lifestyle. You know, like, I'm fine with all that, but if someone's, like, smashing their nose and taking hormones and, like, they're sterile and they're, like, spending all their money, you know, they're like, "Child is so jealous now." I'm like, you know, men should look healthy and be respectable looking, but like, it's typically about making them feel safe, having a purpose, working hard, that's, you know? - You don't think women don't like care about looks? - No, I think they don't like ugly, but they can even roll with ugly. - I don't know, man, it's like, they care about looks if they're just, like, banging a guy or something, but women aren't even designed to bang guys. That's, like, totally insane. Imagine if, every time you had sex, you could get pregnant, nine months, you're, like, super vulnerable, and then you have to raise a child from the man's, like, and I know we have, like, a system that changed all that, but their genetics are still that. - Right. - Like, women aren't designed to be, like, men are designed to be more promiscuous, even though I still believe in monogamy, but, like, the female lifestyle is nuts. That's why they're all in these fucking pills, 'cause they're, like, they're not supposed to be banging looks, max, or is even, they are attracted to these guys, but it's a, they end up going nuts from that. They're not supposed to do that. And I'm not, like, shaming them, like, some of these guys, I feel bad for them. I'm like, dude, you don't have to do that. Like, your value is way bigger than just, like, blowing a guy with good cloviculars. Like, it's just weird, right? And I always did, I always did well. And I'm like, no, I'm not a staggin' play, you know. - How tall are you? - Six, eight. But that's, it gets almost weird at that point, though. No, and I can play Bach by ear and shit, and I'm funny. - You can play Bach by ear? - Well, I'm like, I'm like really good at the piano. And that would, like, oddly, you know, and I can be dominant in room and all that, but I'm not, like, a stud at all. I would, I would always out kick. Like, my wife's better looking than me. It's like, but I feel like it should be like that. I'm like, I'm not supposed to be beautiful. I'm supposed to be awesome. (laughs) Right? - I like that a lot, actually. - Right? Dude, I know, like, I used to be buddies with, like, I'll tie you after, but like a major stud actor, like, stud. And he would always like, I would almost do, like, I was like a bus boy, and I'm like, bro, you were like, on one of the biggest shows in the world. You're like at 11. I'm like, and you're always like weird about, I'm like, and I'm like a fucking bus boy who smells like booze and fucking, like, what is this? And I think a lot of it's just your vibe. It's just like-- - You saying he wasn't good with girls? - He could be, like, he'd date, like, attractive women, but he'd be like, man, how do you do it, dude? I'm like, you're like retarded. Like, what do you do? - Looks help for about two and a half seconds. - Yeah, it's like vibe. It's like being famous on stage. You have five minutes with a laugh, and then you have to be funny. Like, if you're a famous comedian, they're like, oh, fuck, this is great. And then it's like, a crowd will turn on the most famous comic of their nap funny. - 100%. - Yeah. - I see this on YouTube a lot. It's like big YouTubers, if you make a bad video, like it's the fucking flops, you know? - Yeah, think about a woman, if it's like, I want my children to be legendary, right? Do they want to be like a ninth ab or like being in a community and structure that's safe and nurtures them, and they have like morality to become like kings and shit. - Right. - So they want you to be a trap, not like against working out and trying to improve, but like, how about get really good at a skill? Have guys treat you? You know, I was just talking to Jake Shields about that, where it's like being a world champion, it's how men treat you. They don't know what a fucking arm bar is, but when men are like, oh, it's the champion. Women are like, That's great and you can do that with like plumbing and shit if other guys are like do that guy build his whole house from like fucking wood pallets women are like that's super attractive You said physiogny. What can you tell about someone by looking at their face? I think that you're like by 40 you start getting a face of your lifestyle like I think I call it allegations face We're like creepy guys. They start look. They have a look where their face starts looking pervy and I also think like I didn't used to be able to grow up beard because I was like more LA like you know mouse utopia guy And then as soon as I started getting a little and I submit it. I got a fucking beard No, but seriously as soon as I started being like like I have children after protect I have like blah blah blah my voice went down a little and my fucking jaw got bigger That hilarious Do you think money boss happiness? No, it's energy So like I'm not against money, but it like helps you do the thing that you are So like you can accomplish more you have more freedom to do cool things like if you have a lot of money You can you know take your children to the coral reef and show them that you know like it's awesome But it doesn't make you anything. It doesn't change you fundamentally. It actually amplifies your traits It's like being drunk, right? It's like the fun guy gets super fun and the dark depressing guy gets like super dark Right, it like amplifies like an exclamation point. Maybe not being drunk some people switch, but do you think money's real? I think Such a good question. It's like is a soccer point real. It's like exactly. I told my kids once and it's so true and my body coach is a soccer team too You could be beaten 20 to zero if you score one goal and celebrate the other team gets to moralized It's so funny dude. Hmm. They're like like like my kids Be like yeah, and the other teams like I thought we won It's like no, but they're really pumped for what they did. I think that's like what money is Like I think my expectations were pretty low So when I would make big checks I'd be like whoa, but if I was from like a billionaire family I'd be like Papa only made 20 mil this year. I'm a said So it is relative but land isn't relative you want to talk wealth with the land You know 100 acres. You can raise this amount of cattle you can get this amount of stuff like that is real Silver is a valuable asset gold valuable asset. They can do this this this but dollars is a Is a point and a game that is rigged. I mean, they just do print it and give it to retards who prints it There's a variety of ways like the the skyrocketing housing prices is a form of printing money So like when you get a mortgage that money is created when you sign it So like let's say you put down a hundred grand 700,000-hour mortgage that's printed down. So that just came out of nothing And so that's one form of inflation They also can be like well, we're facing a war. That's why they love war past ruins all the four horses of the apocalypse because like People get so scared they're like Yeah, I mean, what are we gonna do? We have to print a trillion dollars or you know And then they and then it just makes all the other dollars worth less, you know We also have to build all this technology in the meantime as well. And what is it really doing? You know, I've a I bought a truck is 99 370,000 miles and it doesn't break ever You know, the new shit is super interesting like I love tech like we connect day like we can look at each other's videos and stuff But as far as engines and shit They're not improving engines. They're not improving some of this shit that I'm like Like I'm starting to come up with ways to generate energy with like waterwheels and shit I'm like why aren't more people doing this? It's like a control structure. This might be our last podcast then I'm like just under it where they're like he can't he's not really gonna do it But I I have met guys that have done some shit though. Have you heard about that? What's that one act cold? It's like the patent privacy act. Do you know what I'm talking about where if you Make something that challenges them. They can just like take it and hide it. Is that what it is? Yeah There's like 8,000 patents if it's a threat to national security and I do get it imagine if someone's like, okay Oils completely unnecessary like that would be horrifying right but that's why you gotta like slowly do it privately I'm all about the private the private's words at like I know a dude Who actually created something where like and I don't know how it worked, but And he's like super good at this shit where he made magnets like starting to make electricity and he was like bringing it to To like a show and it did like black fucking cars did take it like fact And they were just like you can't do that He's like all right. They don't like kill them or anything They're just like you can't bring that to market like you can have that But you can't sell that That's what I think a prohibition was I think people were making fuel not booze It's like I think about that all the time. I'm like dude. I have an orchard. I'm gonna make fucking ethanol You know and they're like oh The rot the Rockefellers don't want you to be drunk I got the fuck You mentioned Vivian Kubrick earlier. Yeah There's a theory about her father Stanley Kubrick That he was trying to expose the elite sex cults operating in Hollywood with that movie Eyes-wide shot And that he died six days after handing his final cut to the studio Mm-hmm Do you ask his daughter about kind of I don't think she knows about that stuff She's a very sweet person and I was just trying to have a good chat with her And I have my own theories. I think good art just exposes everything without even intention Like I don't even know if that was his goal but because I see shit in that movie where Where it's even more exposing about just the nature of reality and dreams and power like that the ritual Is real life. It's just there have the robes on you can't see it because the party is matching the ritual Right where they're like you Shed like the behavior of the alpha and the party and all the people around him is matching You know, they have the the horror Babylon and all the the figures and he's almost just like It's almost like like comedy in a way, but like horror. He's like he's like showing you reality in a way that's like It's like a metaphor, you know Because the thing that always blows my mind is show it in me and that's when I'm like holy fuck like show That I'm doing a ritual or like You know that And I think he did that well and I think the shining did that too and I think I don't I don't think that any I don't think he was killed. I don't know man. It was sketchy, but like They still released the movie. It's like they didn't hide the movie well they cut out 24 minutes or something I know they're also just like so retarded though. It's like could they know what to cut out? They're like empty vessels But heart attacks are real sketchy like that's Mm-hmm. I don't know man. I mean if you look in the Nicole Kippman's dad Do the biggest landowner in all of Australia and like facing tons of horrific allegations and the name is kid at man Mm-hmm, but again, I don't know died mysteriously all that shit. It's just a strange person a star in that movie right Yeah, I think he's like autistic genius type and just naturally through 2001 space as he's nuts the obelisk is right next to like The the world trade center. It's the exact dimensions of the obelisk They fall in 2001 and it's the same look as a fucking iPhone and it like has it. It's like there's so much shit in there and I don't He might have just been riffing and it's just like really good art can just show the future sometimes, you know Because it's so detailed. I'm like how logistically how do you do that like the matrix? You know, Nio's birthdays 9/11 2001 on his passport like Because I see synchronicities all the time happen. Do you know who made that movie the trans uh grabber guys? Yeah, I saw I looked up who made that movie and it was the wakowski brothers that cut the weenoff Yeah, and then yeah, I looked up who made it a year later. I was like, oh, it was two women women made it. I was like, what? Because that was pretty recent, right? Yeah, they're red pill was it was estrogen I think oh Well, my goat was always don't take any pill from a black guy in a leather trench coat I like breaking binaries because one big wizard spell is like which pill I'm like that assumes pill That's how that it's authoritative speech The real pill is there's no pill Yeah, dude, they've said the red pill is about transitioning And I'm like truth, but there's still a lot of truth in it too. It's like the truthers can see it as like getting out of the The system and they're like no, it's about cutting off the ween And you're like dude or that's humiliation. I don't know Why do you think millennials are obsessed with Harry Potter? Yeah, do you think that's demonic? In a way Yeah, because I think Dumbledore was like Epstein kind of Dude, it's a little island where they take kid runaways in a train It's just like they teach him magic and they're exposed to a guy that becomes a wolf every fucking full moon It's just like it just doesn't feel like a safe environment for kids You know what I mean? It's like troubled kids go go there to learn magic With a childless gay guy in a fucking castle in a magical land Right and in London you have to go through it like I was strange doorway It's just but I don't think it was intentional I think jay I think Rowling was like being passionate about it and like writing well But you know There's no rules in the sport like a lot of it frustrates me Do you think a lot of people just make art and some of it gets pushed more than others? That's how I think it completely works. I think it's editorial I think like even a lot of these siaps I think because I'll see a news story start going up The details aren't matching the agenda and it's gone I think they're looking at human behavior and they're and they're like oh promote this is what we want Because when I was selling scripts in Hollywood they never told us the agenda. They're like like this year we're looking for this theme. And so we're all writing the scripts and the money's so big that we're just thinking about selling the script, you know, getting it syndicated. It's like our carrot is that. And they get 15 scripts, get it down to five, they shoot three, they green light one, and it's just the thing they wanted. They don't tell us. They're like, of all the scripts, this one matches it. We have the, you know, there's a kid in a wheelchair, there's a tram, you know, whatever they want, they do. You know, like modern family, I sold a script that year about like a family that's strange and odd and different. And so I sold a script for 50 grand. But then the next layer, like the first layer of executives are like, oh, these are really good scripts. Then the next layer, like that's a hero. That makes too much sense. That gives you hope. Right. No, like because Hollywood's so many people are not in at. They're not all like the thing that they do though is they turn the other, they look away to keep their bullshit is what most of them do. Like most of them are not like eating kids. They're just like, they will ostracize someone who points out an obvious thing is what most of the evil of Hollywood is. And then there's some dudes that are real fucked up. This is an important one that I feel like you would have a compelling theory about. But do you think, I mean, it sounds super basic, but I just, I still don't know. And I think I know. But do you think algorithms show you what you want to watch? Or do you think it's more sophisticated than that? I think it's a combination. I think it wants to feed you. So you stay engaged and then steer you. Right. Isn't that the concept of carrot stick? Yeah, yeah, totally. And like control the opposition and all that. And people just do it naturally and they don't even realize they're doing it. They're like, I want you to look at me and then I'm gonna tell you the thing I want to tell you. Like that's what control the opposition is. But I see that a lot in history where it's like, you know, you said in Germany, where it's like based Germany. And then you've got a guy saying all the right shit. And then just starts bringing you into like a slaughter. Like I think all sides of war is fucked up. I think it's like, I always tell my kids no wars. Like don't ever fight a war. It's an agreement to die in a weird way, you know? It's an agreement to die in a weird way. That's strange rhetoric, but it's true. It's like, it's like you're giving up so much autonomy. Like that's what I mean. Like do they have awareness of what they're doing? They're like, you're the enemy. I have a body that's killed people in war. He's like, it didn't even feel real. He's like, there's the guy, you shoot him. I didn't know him. - I don't call him duty. - Right, exactly, exactly. And it's like, and that you're agreeing to also be that guy on the other side. Like that's not real war. It's not like, that's industrial slaughter. It's like high slaughter animals, you know? It's like, so that's why I think all war. I'm never on his side of anybody in a war. Unless it's a defensive existential war of like a homeland or something. But if you're funded big, it's eugenic, in my opinion. And I just don't trust. I'm just like, that's why I'm always like, I used to, I did a shirt years ago. I think it said, "Here should a homesteader or something." It's like, my, and I could be wrong, but my whole theory is like, get non-dependent. And that's the whole thing. Like you can't, you can't fight that. You know, because people would say, do not rely. I was like, do not, no, do not comply. I was like, do not rely. Because you have to comply if you rely. Like if you give me all my water, even if you tell me to hop on one foot, like unless I have water, I should hop on one foot. That's the biblical thing of like slaves be good to your master. If you want to be free, you have to fucking get your own water, right? And that's what people can see me as this like boogie man, because they just don't want to admit that. Like I, you know, I can have wacky theories. I can be whatever, but like obviously I'm not some boogie man. It's that concept. They're like, fuck going bench of it. Because it's like, no, no, they're poising me. I'm like, dude, you can grow a plant, man. They're like, why don't I have land like you? I'm like, dude, you can grow it in a window sill. Just one fucking tomato. I think some spiritual happens when you grow one thing. I'm always like, grow one thing, grow one sprout. I think you literally go to another side where you're like productive. It's like, because you're like, oh my God, one tomato is 100 seeds, 100 seeds is 100 tomatoes. That's exponentially unlimited. Well, what's the, it's like this thing that happens. And this thing makes me healthier as well, as all this genetic DNA. It's unlimited and it's free. It's like every tomato and such basic shit, every tomato is filled with seeds that make tomato plants that make unlimited tomatoes. And they just require water, dirt and care. Look, that's why I've tried to change the rhetoric. I can't afford a house too. I can't build a house. I'm like, imagine if you could build a house, it's like, I might be not, people used to buy houses off the Sears catalog and build them. And I don't have those skills, but like, what if we reach for those skills, then we're not in any debt. You buy, you build a house. I've buddies that do that all the time. They make 17 bucks an hour. They own their house because they slowly built them with random shit. They got a construction sites and they have like eight kids and they're crushing, you know? I don't know if this is the worst question to ask someone who's a former comedian and still as a comedian. Of course. But I still wrestle with that, too. What's the joke that would get this podcast deleted? At this point, none, because I think that everything's moved over. Like, I'm not the guy that ever wanted to like, be like, we got to kill these cash. I was always the guy being like, look at this inversion and they're all out now. You know, like, to the point where, I don't know, I mean, I also make fun of like vets and cripples. I'm not a hypocrite. Like a lot of my audience are vets and I'm like, okay, that's the sacred cow and they appreciate it, you know? What's your favorite joke to tell your kids? Oh, dude. They just like silly shit. Dude, kids are so it's such a good question because like, it really challenges me to be more actually funny than just to release stress. Like a lot of my, I get people to laugh because I release stress. Oh, my wife doesn't really hate me, huh? Right? But you need like the trauma and the stress for me to do that. So a kid is so pure, but they're so easy to make laugh if you're just like, like just having a blast. Like, they just like, they, I do videos at my campground, right? Just right around the four wheeler and I make funny faces and pretend I'm going super fast and they think it's like the funniest shit ever. And I, and it is, I mean, say what you will about Bill Cosby. I was like, and I, I always didn't like that guy, but his sound effects, kids always thought I was fine. He's like, the butted pops and then he did some things and stuff, but like, he did know that aspect, but he always told everybody, everyone knew he did a joke where he's like, Spanish fly, you put it in the drink. It's great. Like, he was never high to get. He tried to buy NBC and they're like, you're out of here. They hit competitions and with Harvey Weinstein, of course, he's a pervert psycho. They all are. My folder said he wants to eat a pot brownie. These guys all have all this shit where they're like, okay, unleash because they don't let you buy the means of production. Like Weinstein wanted, uh, Weinstein company to take more over of Warner Brothers and it's like mafia shit. They're like, Oh, no, no, no, no. Let's get all the horrors you've been fucking and now they're going to tell the tale and you're going to prison little boy. Same with Cosby. Cosby was like trying to own NBC, same with, uh, and again, I don't know. I know there's a Kobe Bryant was like in a lawsuit with this major pharmaceutical thing about a major brand. It's like, and dude, again, puff daddy, total scumbag wanted to own the brand. The thing is like, they don't want you to own it unless you build it and I understand that. It's like, like one thing that kept me through some hard times is I only control what I build. I'm like, I didn't build YouTube and that's what lowered my resentment. I'm like, it's your thing. I didn't build it. I don't have any right to that. And even like the twisted world, they can be like, you didn't build Syrac, do you know me, wars we had to do for this? Right. You didn't build Warner Brothers. We have fucking a desert filled with bodies, dude. You get out of here. You know, it gave me comfort. I guess is there any pattern you've noticed that you haven't heard other people talk about? I've actually been inspired lately, which feels great. Like I was just telling Jake about that. Like listen to you and Tucker, like all kinds of people, which I didn't have for a little while because I was so far ahead and people I thought were being such cowardly retards. People are saying shit that I haven't even thought of now. Like people say stuff and I'm like, whoa, that's great, man. Like I'm not, I'm not the tip of the spear like I once was except for personal accountability and I've done it. Makes me kind of interesting where I did buy my own piece of land to do my own comedy special with people throwing in 400 bucks. Like that's wild, that gets around the user system and freaks people out. I did build my own, you know, social media and cultivated an authentic audience where I have like real relationships with these people. Like I did start a farm, but like I didn't invent any of this shit. Right. Like I didn't invent farming or having a big family or that's why I liked some of the Tucker insights because he's got that old wasp New England knowledge shit that I'm like into too. Like men don't complain, I'm like, oh man, I complain a lot. Right. That was getting me pumped. Even though he was like, you don't have to take off your shoes, I'm like, you got a fuck and take off your shoes. But that was still a good point when he was like, no, you're welcome in my house. I'm like, dude, the jab. How far is this, the japs, they're not even called Japanese, they're called Nepal. These are the spells. They're like, oh, how dare you say jab. I'm like, it's an abbreviation of a word you invented that they don't call themselves. Like, how is that offensive? - It's like Indian. - All right. What do you like to call them? - Indian, people of the best American Indians? - Yeah, but you got a differentiate between the two. You got Dodd Indian and Basket Indian. And then there is no real, 'cause they're all super tribal. So like, and I was raised playing with Cross with all these guys, they're like, no, I'm Mohawk. Like, they're super tribal. - That makes sense. - Yeah, Germany used to be that way. It's like, no, we're Bavarian. We're Prussian. Like, what the fuck is Germany? They're always rebranding homogenizing zones. That's why you go all the way down to the individual, then the kin, that's where kind comes from. The word kind is how you are to your kin. Like, those that you know. And it's like, you really are, you feel better around your own culture and your own kind, because you know the signs that you've offended someone, you know the bonding mechanisms. It's just like easier. And that's where kindness comes from. And another culture that's just as valid. Like, you just don't know. You're like, dude, I didn't take off my shoes. Is this sushi guy gonna fuck me up now? Like, they, I used to work at a Japanese restaurant. They thought I was funny, but they thought I was just a total animal. Like, Godzilla or some shit. They'd be like, you are so tall. You're like, you're so big on your own. They tip a tower. I'm like, to us, that's super offensive. They're like, oh, I give you down to very good. I'm like, it was a $500 bill, bro. I'm like, dude, you're all about the bonds. I treat you in shit. Do I just tell you how fucked up that was? You know, but they're good people. When they get hammered, one of them wanted to climb on me. Like, no, they like the little guys. They think giants are like play things. But I respect Japanese culture a lot. It's very clean. - I have two for you that are interesting. One thing I noticed that it wasn't talked about a lot on your Tucker podcast was you kept saying the words neo-con over and over again? Was there something there? - Yeah, all of them. - Yeah, neo-conservate. It's just all nonsense. Like, what are you conserving? It's like, so Trotsky comes to America. They split off from the Bolsheviks. He starts that whole movement, which is pretty much just in his Rayleigh Bolshevik move, which is fine. But it's like, it's funny when liberals don't let you do shit and conservatives don't conserve shit. And then neo, anytime there's a modifier, you're just getting into more and more nonsense, you know? And so, neo-con is just like that group of people that at any cost just want wars and that's pretty much it. - What? - I mean, if I wanted to take accountability, I'd say a lot of our economy is based on Lockheed Martin and shit and to sell weapons, you need to have wars and they're terrified if people don't have retirement, that they're gonna rebel and I don't know, but or just their nuts. - Do you feel some type of guilt saying things that some people might take as external problems instead of being able to take accountability in their life? Like, you seem hesitant to want to say anything that would spark fear in someone or like make them feel like. - Like an actual fear? - Yeah, or make them feel like they don't have like control over something. - But I truly believe that. - Yeah. - I truly believe that. It's not, I'm not just trying to pump people up. It's crazy when you kind of see it where you're like, where you're like, oh, it's all a choice. And I'm not like narcissistic in the sense that I'm responsible for all the greatness in the world. It's just like you always have a choice. Like I know some people that have had some real like wild rise, the only way out is accountability. Like if you're like, you know, that PTSD addicted to opioid, you know, you have all this shit, you're beating as a, like all these things use all this. The one thing that gets you out is just to forgive and take accountability or else you don't get out. So like, I know it helps, but I know it hurts because it does, you have all these memories of people that did shit to you and like threats and all these, but we imagine so much, like we never see it. You know, so much shit is imagined in our heads. Like, 'cause I've had some horrific shit happen and it doesn't even scare you when it happens as much as you think. It's thinking about it. They weren't that in war social engineering. If you actually bomb a people, they almost lose the sense of fear with death 'cause they see it. They're like, oh, and they feel, it frees them in a way. They like rumors of war, it's in the Bible. They want it over the hill. They want you to imagine it in your head, right? That's why they never gave us a mask. They're like, you buy it, you make it yours. Like make it your mask. Like no one ever fucking sent us a mask, right? 'Cause it's like, you can act with it 'cause you're imagining it. When you actually fucking go at someone, the risk is you free them because they're like, oh, I see that you don't have any, you ever see that movie revolver? Oh, bro, you gotta see revolver. It'll blow your mind. And it's Jason Statham and shit. And it's like one of the most profound movies ever. There's this, I can't even do it justice, but there's scenes that are just about this when he realizes that the monster has no control and it's like mind blowing. They don't have, 'cause they, it's like, fear me. And it's really Yoda and by the end, and he's like supposedly this powerful guy, he's like fear, he's like fear me. And he starts like breaking down. He's like fear me, fear me. And like not fearing them and forgiving and not even being angry. Like they have to face themselves and then it all goes away. It's fucking nuts. It's very like electro-magnetic. It's like without the polarity, what does it do? Right. Fears the thing that gives the thing power. Yeah, I like doing. Fears the mind killer, it's so true. What do you think of David Ike? Weird jacket. I'm like, I honestly like to ask you about soccer at this point. Like, I don't even give a fuck about the, 'cause I just started liking soccer. 'Cause my kids play soccer. So I started watching the World Cup and now I respect it. And so I just want to ask him shit about soccer, 'cause he's like a professional soccer player. Like his reptilian, like he gets pissed at, you know, calling out the shills, I went through that and everything. But like, what does it really do? Where it's like. Seals books. Right. And it's like, so the reptiles, that mean like they need a heat lamp or like I was. And I'm not trying to knock the dude. I'm like, but what do I do with that? Like, what does that mean? Like nuclear bombs not being real. What do I do with that? I don't have to fear the future. I don't have to scare the fuck out of my kids. I can have children. I can plan long term. I don't have to like put all this focus and energy into this little group of people. I've never met with a button and it does it. Like, there's objectively good shit that happens. But like, they're actually lizards. Legitimately, maybe. But like, okay. So can you like do something to their tongue or something? Like, what does that. How does that do for me, you know? Like, I used to. Like, I briefly thought I was in Nephwam 'cause I had like nine wisdom teeth and I'm fucking huge. And I'm like, now there's no way. But imagine like realizing you're a lizard person, but you're like a pretty chill dude. Like, I had a ton of teeth. I'm fucking huge. And I do kind of like base six. What's the base six? You know, they say the six fingered, they all have six fingers. But to me, I think that's how they count. - Right. - Yeah, 'cause a base 12, it's just so much more elegant with the fractions and stuff. And I'm like, ah fuck, I don't think I'm enough of them now. That's my end word. I'm a fallen angel 'cause I'm tall. Like, people said it to me all the time. Dehumanizing. - After you were deplatformed briefly, someone followed anonymous reports in CPS, Child Protective Services showed up at your door. - Yeah. - You said you got underneath and prayed to God. - Yeah, yeah. I was like, you know occasionally in your wife, you have those like real praise, you have like the dinner prayers, and then you have those ones that are fucking like real. That was a real one. - I had that on the flight here. - You did? - What was it about the flight? - Yeah, I was like, I haven't prayed in a while, but like I'm praying right now. - Bro, and this is popping. - And don't get me wrong, I haven't like beat fear. I'm fucking super scared of flying. I hate flying. But I like now, but again, like I haven't beat, I don't want people to walk away thinking, I've like beaten fear. I always face it. - But you live your life in a way that you try to build frameworks around. - Yeah, and I just look at it and I go, oh, that's a fear. Like, is it statistically reasonable? Have more people died from fucking Toaster ovens? Why is it that I'm afraid of? Is it because I watch so many movies? It's good, you know, it's like. But I still feel like. - I was thinking about that recently. I was like, why am I afraid of sharks? I'm like, it's literally just because of Jaws, you know. - I was afraid in a YMCA swimming pool as a kid. - I was afraid of sharks. I was afraid of AIDS at nine. No, I like know this because I know fear. I like, it's like Bain. I'm like, I know the scam. - All right. It's the ultimate scam. It's the only scam. - It's the only scam. Dude, that's, I pay all my taxes. That's one thing I never want to fuck with. But like, isn't it funny to be able to keep saying death in taxes, death in taxes? It's like, those are the only two real things. I'm like, are they? (laughs) What was the prayer you've said? - I just was like genuinely telling God that I love my children and help me be strong. - What happened that night? - It was like nothing. It was like my biggest fear and that just went away 'cause my wife was such an angel, man. I was like, but they could see this and they could take our kids and they could do it because I had these like, thoughts and visions in my head. And she was like, but you're a good father. And I'm like, I know, nor me. But like, they could blow up and she goes, but you are a good father. And I'm like, I know, and then she was just reiterating, but like the truth is, you are a good father. I was like, you're right, I am a good father. And that's when I was, it actually freed me. That's the issue with these things that people do. I'm like, they're God's children. I'm the guardian of them. I will do my best. And I was like, oh my God. 'Cause I was like, if they could take it, it's on me and I'm like, No, my job is to be the best father I can. They're everything is gods. And I was like, oh, and I wasn't like, not stressed, but I started seeing the system for what it was. And the CPS guy was totally cool. I started being like, man, he seems stressed out. He was like a nice guy. And in my mind, they were gonna like pull my children out of my house, and then I'm like, if I ever known anyone that's had the CPS take their kids, and I'm like, I know what happens, but like, is it a bogeyman story, you know? - This is a weird one, have you ever thought that someone was monitoring your spiritual state? - Yes. - Yeah, I've had that feeling. I just don't have anything else for that, but I've had that feeling, yeah. Dude, I have a buddy though. I've never gotten into loose engines. I've done a few, I've like had small amounts of mushrooms. And I had a lot when I was in high school. It was pretty interesting. But I had a buddy that did the whole gaul in India. I lost all that. And he said, so I'm so interesting. I was like, do you still do that shit? He goes, oh no, no, I'm like, why? He goes, he's like, it's all CIA shit. I'm like, what? He goes, yeah, you do I at wask, and I start looking around. He's like, there's a construct, there's all CIA shit. And I'm like, how? He's like, I think they program frequencies. And I can't conceive of that, 'cause I don't have very many psychedelic experiences under my belt, but that kind of blew my mind where there could definitely be consciousness frequencies where someone can tweak it with frequencies, you know? - Right. - Like if you can build a simulation, what's the portal for getting into it, you know? - Right, and I think a lot of it's frequency. Like as a piano teacher, like right now, I'm getting really into like the connection between frequency and light and geometry. And I really do think Tesla, when he said everything's like frequency, it's like, I think there's so much truth to that. Like matters all empty space. Like what does that mean, you know? It's like a, it's like a, it's like a music. It's like a note. - That's what I've never been able to wrap my head around. I feel like a little toxic for the whole frequency thing, but could you try to explain it? - Yeah. - Okay, so when people say like the human resonance of the earth, like, 'cause everything has a natural resonant frequency, like I'll show you. So that doesn't sound like a note, but like that's a note. Anything with cavitation of any empty space has a resonant frequency, which means if there's any impact, it makes it a note with a frequency. Like how many hurts per second? And just like you tune a piano, like when you like, hit a certain note in like a glass vibrates, it's 'cause that resonant note is what you're doing, right? And so that's how things can happen at the same time in a strange way. Like you hit a tuning fork and other one starts vibrating, right? And so this is when things get nuts and I can't fully put this together, but this will help your concept. So, human resonance of the earth is like 7.3 hurts. So that means the earth itself, when lightning strikes it, makes a sound that's just below our hearing ability. Like the lowest nine in a piano is like 20 hurts. It's like seven, it's like close. And then there's harmonics. So the earth has a frequency and then you look at the harmonics to it, all right? Then you look at the frequency of light and this is why the photon fucks with me. Why I'm like, I get so pissed off about Einstein, but like, like red is 44 octaves above, right? So just think about that and just let your mind kind of hang with that and I can't, I can't like really hammer that down, but like the frequency of the color of red is just so high that you can't hear it, but you can conceive of it. Like every octave doubles the frequency. So let's say this C is 20, the next one's 40, 80, 163, 20, it's all like exponential, every octave. And so you can octave up higher and higher and higher until you get into a frequency of color spectrum. You know, you have radio waves, infrared waves, you know, then you have visible light spectrum, all that. And then you get into shape, where like a certain frequency with different overtones has that amount of sides of a shape and it like dances a bit and it looks like a star. And that's what I'm at right now. And I'm like, the Bible says that, you know, that Lucifer was like the conductor of the choir of the angel and you start looking at the stars and you're like, it looks like almost like a song and then people accuse me of autism, but I get it. It's like, 'cause they haven't explained matter to me properly. They also don't show what stars actually look like. Like they look like this, right? Like they're kind of in and out. Dude, they dance in their geometric, cathedrals all look kind of like star shapes, but like stars like move, they look like light and water. And they look like simatics when you put sound on like a plate with sand, it'll start making shapes. And those shapes are the exact shapes of these cathedrals that like are using sound, this one's chicken's nuts. Okay, so there didn't used to be clocks the way we think. Every single city or town had a direct noon. And like every foot has a different noon, like 30 miles away is a different noon. And so they would tune the bells to that exact noon and then all the bells of the day, you wake up, you gotta work this bell, it wasn't even about the hour, it was about the sound. And the cathedrals would try to match the geometry of the sound of the bell. And think about the harmonics of a civilization that's like the morality, the geometry, the sound and the culture is all in harmony, right? And that's like, and then we register that as beautiful because beautiful sound is harmonic, dissonant is ugly, right? Like Obama's library is, oh, you just are like, that's ugly, like modern architecture is ugly, why? 'Cause it's dissonant, like in music, a third, a fifth, and octave, it feels good. Canon and D, amazing grace. And then you have these like intense jazz sounds, 'cause the waves are hitting each other in a way where they're like fucked up. It's like a shape that doesn't work properly. It's not a honeycomb, you know? And so light, matter, and sound are all completely related. - When you think about frequencies and light and sound, like what do you make of dreams? Do blind people dream? - Great, oh my God, dude. I don't, that's the thing lately. I don't know what dreams are, man. 'Cause every morning I ask my kids what, like we always talk about our dreams. And some of my kids have these elaborate dreams. And sometimes I don't dream. Sometimes I dream and they're like fragmented. I'm like, where do we go, man? Now it's like I've some of those profound combos with my kids. Like they'll dream about stuff that they haven't seen. You know what I'm like, what is it? I don't have the answer, but it's super, we don't know why we sleep. - All right. - But we like definitely have to or we go totally nuts. Like where do we go, you know? - That dream thing is always interesting to me, 'cause it's like how are we producing, like as you see in your dreams, it's like how are we producing light? - Right, dude, the whole blind thing. 'Cause then how's the blind person communicate to us? - What are those frequencies come from? - Right, exactly. But like how could a blind person be like, they had a red dress? Like what if they see light in the dream, but don't know how to communicate it, 'cause they don't see in this. Like then the communication thing is like, how could you describe what you saw in your dream? But this is why I say there's no bad words. You see where I'm at with the bad, like you can't say jab. Like to me, that's like a B flat, you know, it's like an octagon. Like it's like how it, no, it's a song. You know, and then a lot of spells are about the nature of the flow of this. That's like like Limerix and Rhymes and Rap and Poetry and Trans Music and all this. Dude, it's like, it puts you in a harmonic state and one way that they do it is this beautiful song with real fucked up lyrics. 'Cause you emotionally are like, this is good, it feels like a cathedral symmetry and the words are like horrifying. But then that gets past a gate and then you start internalizing that and you think the world's nihilistic and hellish, you know? Like how they blew you by, like the music is unbelievable and the words have a lot of despair. And I always, 'cause I love that song, but like the lyrics are all about despair and hopelessness. Like the one written by the grab were there, the colon one, not like the other one. It's a, you know, it's like, it's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah. But you're like, this is beautiful, but the things he's saying is really strange. I feel like a lot of the best songs are like that, which is interesting. Yeah, 'cause the music is what makes them the best song and then the words and they're, but and he will say true things in them. So you resonate with it, but there's just this underlying sense of like in gratitude and hopelessness. Like they're not grateful. Right, and it's like the emotion being expressed too. Yeah, like they're, like God needs to be corrected. That's the nature of cultures that I think feel a lot of despair is like God is wrong. I must fix it versus like I'm just happy to be here. I'm warning as I go, you know? Do you think a lot about the subconscious? I know that's a word that really isn't even defined. Totally. I don't have a natural internal monologue. People are like, but I can do it. Like I can do it, but I don't naturally, some people have a constant thing going with their like said the guy with, you know, whatever. I'm usually not like I don't have anything going, but then I can picture things and hear whatever I want, but it's like not just going, you know? If I say red apple, what do you think of? Red apple. But what does that mean? I can, for me, it was a red delicious for some reason and I just saw like a flash of a red apple. Was it one that you've eaten or like iconography? I canography, yeah. And I have an orchard and it wasn't even that. That's the test I do want people to tell if they're all tested. - What is that? - Apparently if you picture one that you've seen before, it's larger sun that you're autistic. - Really? - Probably some bullshit, but. - No, it's cool. I don't even know if autism is like, it's almost like a pejorative for people that are just like into details. - Yeah. - Like sometimes people is, I like kind of jokingly you'll say we're autistic 'cause we're just like trying to figure out what words mean and we just like want the details. It's like a funny word, autistic. - Right. - Like what does that mean on the spectrum? Like is it everyone by definition on a spectrum? And then they're like, see that's autism. I'm like, how though, that's just a fact. - That's just a historical road. - Yeah, it's like everybody's on a spectrum. That's the definition of a spectrum. I think that's why they hate Down syndrome people 'cause I think they're angelic. - I thought about that. - Yeah, because it's like, why would you abort a Down syndrome? 'Cause they're like, oh yeah, we had to abort or, you know, we had to put them on the shore bus. I'm like, dude, listen to that guy. He's always fucking crushing Down syndrome people. It's like they can't really sell them on shit. They're like, but I gotta spoon. You know, they're like, they have that nature of a child in a way that I find very inspiring. - That is interesting. They seem to be the happiest people. - They crush it. They're like, I don't trust that guy. A bill. You know, I like vibe with that 'cause it's like, I used to do bits about that about how hard it is to get people happy. And then certain people that are mocked by society, why are they mocked by society? 'Cause they don't need anything from them. - That's an interesting one about what you said about the internal monologue. Something I've noticed myself doing recently is trying to like, not think. And maybe someone said this about retard maxing on the internet, but I just like, I think that if you don't think it's just a sign that you're not anxious about anything, there's like nothing to solve. You are just present. - Yes, yes. I tried to retard max a lot. I tried to stay present. 'Cause people will be like, oh, that means you're not analytical. I'm like, no, I can. I just try not to because that takes me out of the moment. - Right. It's like you're trying to disagree with something, you know, because that's-- - Yeah, yeah. And I'm thinking about something else that is definitely in a degraded form than whatever is definitely in front of me. Is that a very intellectual father? So I know what it's like to be around someone who's in the ivory tower in their mind all the time. And it's like, dude, you didn't fish with your kids, man. Like, that's like the best thing ever, you know? And so that's one thing that they try to watch out for is that the prison of the intellect, you know? - What's the one thing you want to teach your kids before they grow up? - Dude, that's such an intense question. But I want to teach the kids before they grow up. I mean, that there enough is always the go to, dude, I hate to say, I don't know. Which is kind of a weird thing to admit as a father because you always want to know, but like, I don't know right now. Like every day, there's something I want to teach them and guide them and all that stuff. But like the overall, I can't narrow it. - I guess if they were sitting here 20 years from now, I'm still doing this. - Yeah. - And I said, what's one thing I want to talk to you? What do you think that's it? - All right, dude, I want to talk about a dream. I once had a dream that I always remembered and it makes no sense, but I find it very deep and powerful and emotional. It was, and I don't know why, but it was a start of a book written by one of my sons in the future. And the only one I remember is my father was born a slave. And I was like, I just kept thinking about that. I'm like, what does that imply, right? Like that he was no longer a slave, right? And I just kept thinking about that. It's like maybe right now it would be that like, since they're kids, it would be in a nice way, but I've teached them about the field of dreams. Like you really can do what you are here, you know? Which is a way of taking full accountability. You know where it's like this place has so many potentialities and like who you can love and what you can see in the future. And like I want them to be okay with having things like unfolding in front of them, you know? And I think the field of dreams metaphor is cool versus like, it's all on you. I don't want to put that on them right now, you know? Where it's like, you know, 'cause they don't naturally externalize shit anyway. And like I don't tell them that there's a fake moon landing or any of that shit. I just say, what do you think it is? I don't want to indoctrinate them in the other direction 'cause I don't really know and I don't want them to be like paranoid that the world's lying to them. I just want them to look at a commercial like, what is it trying to sell me? Like, what do I think the moon is? What can I, what can I, what do I feel? What does it look like to me now? I just say I'm a two-hill or a third. I see two hills, right? It's like, right now, what do you see? It's like, there's two hills. And that seems to be my way of doing it with the kids because I definitely don't want to be like, yeah, and then they fucking shot Kennedy 'cause it's silver and I'm like, you know, 'cause that would just make it like, they're so pumped about life. Like they like cops and shit 'cause why wouldn't you? It's like, oh yeah, they try to keep order in society, you know? Because victim consciousness perpetuates. I don't like black friends in LA. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? They're like, when you grow up, if you get pulled over, they're gonna kill one of you. I'm like statistically no fucking chance. And now they're gonna act weird when they get pulled over. And then it's gonna start the whole cycle where it's like, and then the cops gonna be like, why are you acting fucking weird? You got something like, versus like, a lot of like quote-unquote whites are like, oh, hey, I was actually trying to find the exit and they're like, oh, no problem. 'Cause I'm not afraid of them. So when you instill fear, like, statistically the odds are zero that they will just be randomly killed by a cop, right? And so I try to do that for my kids too 'cause I could fucking lay all that shit on 'em and I'm just like, no, just, just crush, toil max. I would just be like, it doesn't matter what your nose looks like. You don't have to chop off your nose, just don't lie. Like, the fact that we got a nose job is wild to me. It's like, he's the only guy I know. It's like, only Jewish women get nose job. I've never known a guy that I ever get a nose job. Like, it's like, oh, I want a smart nose. It's like, who gives a fuck? You breathe more oxygen. You just don't want it looking like Pinocchio. Yeah, that's a weird one. I know Britain and-- Is he cool? Yeah, he's cool, God. See, on that level of just like-- He's a genius, yeah. Yeah, he's kind of a genius. Yeah, he's definitely a genius. He's the kind of guy that, if you ask his IQ, he won't tell you. You don't have been? Yeah. But that also, like, you can be a true seeker and tell it. 'Cause, like, hiding it strategically better. Like, I was telling that to someone. I'm like, if I was trying to fucking use it, I'd say it was like 90 and it's fun being in Arkansas, you know? 'Cause then you have an advantage. Of course, I know the unfrozen caveman lawyer. I'm just a caveman. He ever said in SNL, "I fell in ice. Your world scares me." But what I do know is my client deserves 4.7 trillion down, you know? Of course, but I don't care. You know, like, I'm not trying to accumulate resources. I want to fucking know what it is. So, but if you're trying to be strategic, of course. Like, yeah, dude, I don't resonate bad with that, dude. I'm like, that was funny. I'm like, is he fucking a psychopath? I don't know. Kind of genius. That's weird. That's funny. I don't have any negative feeling. So, I don't feel like he's a sadist. They're like a. He seems like just like super autistic. The product of the algorithm world and he's like winning at it. - Oh, and last question here. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received? - Vince Vaughn, make it count. 'Cause it's like our upbringing, right? Nihilism gets sex, like it money. No one ever told me to be a fucking dad. Even my own dad. And so I'm touring with Vaughn in Hollywood. He's the only guy that was like mocking me for not having kids. And it like every father's day, I thank him. He's like, baby, gotta start making it count. You can't, don't keep pulling out like a coward. You gotta fucking make it, you know? And I was dating Amy, my now wife. And I'm like, yeah, why don't I do it? Like, why am I constantly pulling out and, you know? And like, that was the best advice I've ever gotten. It was just like, be fertile. - Don't pull out. - Don't pull out metaphorically all over the world. It's like, don't pull out, right? They'll pull out. - Be fertile and multiply. - Yeah, I would say be fruitful and multiply. Don't be fruity and blow guy at the end of streams. 'Cause it's like, it's funny. But it's like, it was the best advice I ever got. And some people might not want kids and that's totally cool. I just like, I just want to pass it on. 'Cause I like, it's weird it never clicked. Where it's like, yeah, why? Like, I'm amassing some money and I like some status and all this stuff, like, why? Like, are I supposed to now start building like the family? And that was like, man, that's cool. And so that was great advice. Like, don't be like, haven't a family. And even though like, prices are insane and kids help, it's not like that. Like, haven kids broke, it like motivates you. Like, dude, 'cause I can't fail. Like, I easily could be like, totally a failure right now. Having kids, I'm like, oh no, the boats have been burned. I have to succeed and I'm way more successful from that. And I want to see the youth just have massive families. I want to see all that programming just fucking fail. You know, just have these like big successful fail. I see so much of that in the youth. A lot of good things about the young culture, a lot of people are choosing these things. Like like my grandparents live these based lives, but they're probably like dream and a hot thubs and shit. You know, like young people right now are like, it's good, like to grow this thing or to do this. Like they're choosing it. A lot of our based ancestors fucking had to because they were broke. So some of the youth I'm actually inspired by, I'm like, they're just doing it like because it's right. What's the worst piece of advice you've ever received? The worst piece of advice I've ever received. Because I'd have to believe it. Because I shrug off like endless bullshit, but like the work, something that I've internalized. Oh man, there's big concepts, but I don't remember a single like piece of advice. Like the, keep pulling out. I don't know. Like the idea, I got nothing, man. What's your, what's yours? What's the worst piece of advice you ever got? It's a cop how answer, but it's like most, most advice. Just most everything you hear. I don't think that people can actually receive advice. I think it has to, you have to part together yourself. Yeah. And a lot of people, even if they mean, well, they're just basically talking of an image of themselves. Or they're just like, you need to be blah, blah, blah, but like they're not trying to look through your eyes at all. You know, where you like, well, imagine me doing that. Like what would that be like for me? You know, because sometimes people are like, you can't be so abrasive with people. I'm like, well, you know, I am a comedian whose job is to make jokes about people. Like how do I do that functionally? Logistically, how do I not offend some people when the nature of my job is literally to do that? That's why a lot of times like this podcast people be like, man, you come across really cool. I'm like, this is me. When you do a joke, you're supposed to get the thing, you know, it's like telling a mechanic. It's like, just don't have like grease on your hands. It's like, how would I do that? I had to ask you about. Fuck your Wikipedia page. Have you read your Wikipedia page? Yeah, it changes constantly. I could read a book on just how it's changed, because they would post stuff that they thought was, because it's all about wandering slander, right? So it's like according to like nonsense, and then out of context, slander people, and they kept posting things that it would either come true or obviously be funny. So then they would have to post stuff that wasn't funny. And now they say, I'm like, part Jew because the whole world shifted. And now that's the thing to discredit me. Isn't that fascinating? My dad's mom's dad we think is a Jew. And they're like, well, he's admitted to check Heritage of Jew because now that because they're like robots or empty vessels, they're like, if you say is a Jew, people won't like him as much now because everything shifted. Has that affected your life? Like, how does it affect your life? Well, people read your Wikipedia. And it's like, Oh, and Benjamin is a conspiracy theorist and I sent my racist. It's said something along those lines, like every single label that you're going to elaborate this. The funniest thing is the only problem I've ever had is sometimes it draws the wrong people. We're have to explain like, no, no, I'm not your guy. Like, I'm not the white guy. Like, is it like finally, brother? I'm like, oh, because then they get mad at me. They're like, you just made fun of them. See, I'm like, I make fun of fucking everybody. I'm a comedian. They're framing me this way. You know, it's like, yeah, I admit that like, I don't consider a conspiracy theorist and insult or like anti-Semite I think is nonsense. You point out central banking you're full of it. Like, obviously, but I'm also not like the super-identitarian like we built a cathedral's guy. I'm like, no, you can help me build stairs. And so that's the only pushback I've had a lot of cancellations. They'd send that to any theater and they'd use that as a laundry like a way to laundry. But most people find it awesome. They're like, dude, based. That's hilarious. People used to be like, did you write that? And I'm like, no, I'm trying to get it fucking deleted. And they're like, it makes you sound awesome. Do you suspect anyone was a time traveler? I've been in the podcast here, but I think, okay, only in the spirit realm of like, like in that realm. I don't think people's bodies go into something and travel time, but I think that people may be able to like, like, be outside of linear time in a different realm. But I don't understand how it works, but I'm open to that. That can be what OCD is. You're talking to yourself in the future. I know. Who knows? But Owen, where can people find you and where can people buy your book? Well, the good news about being kicked off of anything, everything is that to build my own shit. So ladle.tv. It's $9.11 a month so you never forget. And it's everything I've ever made there, like everything on my own servers, audit shit, which is great because they backed me into a corner to be productive. And then how to say a wizard on Amazon. It's right now, number one in rhetoric, which is the wizard category. And then Owen Benjamin dot com for everything else. And yeah, just wherever. And just make sure you like and share this page because I love all your shit, man. It's really good. I appreciate that. You're like genuinely interested in people. And that's oddly rare in this line of work. And so keep crushing. I've heard that a little bit. No, you seem like in Tucker's like that, too. It's like you want to actually know shit. That's my favorite thing about him, like watching his interviews. I'm like, you're like, I want to know. And then it draws it out of the person versus some people are just always monologuing, you know, which is fine, but just do a monologue job. Right. Well, everyone, uh, this has been your guest, Owen Benjamin. This is the jackpot guest. Thanks for having me, Jack. I appreciate you coming on, brother. That was fine. That was a good one.