Overtime – Episode #746: Gov. Andy Beshear, Steve Hilton

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night series, Real Time with Bill Maher. All right, here's the Republican nominee for governor of California, Steve Hilton, and he is the Democratic governor of Kentucky and author of Go and Do Likewise, Governor Andy Beshear. All right. All right, here's the questions for the people, from the people. For you, Governor, a company is proposing to build up to six nuclear reactors in Kentucky. Oh. Potentially creating the largest nuclear. Nuclear power site in the country. What do you make of the plan? For or against? Oh, I think that nuclear power is an important part of our future. I agree. Excited that it would be in Kentucky. It's still very preliminary, but we want to be a part of that conversation. Okay, good. You agree with that? Nuclear power, we need it? Yeah, very much. It's got to be the future. It's carbon free and it's reliable. Here in California, there's a law preventing it. It's crazy. We've got to get rid of that and build nuclear. I mean, we know why. When it does go bad, it goes very bad. But, you know. Yeah, but the. History, in terms of accident and damage, is actually. And death is much less than other forms of energy. Well, we don't know. I mean, the Fukushima one in Japan, that went into the ocean. I mean, I've heard it's here. That nuclear waste is here, because the ocean is fungible. Okay. Steve, one of your campaign promises is to abolish the DMV. Well, how do we get a driver's license? Well, most states don't have a DMV. They don't? Most states, about 40. I think it's 40. Do you? In Kentucky? We have what are called regional driver's license offices. It is the DMV. Yeah. How else do you get a driver's license? Somebody's got to test you. Yeah, you've got county offices. You've got. I'm not saying you don't need a self-standing bureaucracy that costs billions of dollars a year. You can do it through other existing county offices. A lot of it can be done online. You don't need to pay for this self-standing thing. It's crazy. Sounds like you're just moving the deck chairs. Yeah, you're cutting the wasted bureaucracy out. And why? You know, we charge hundreds of dollars more to register your car or truck in California than other states. My plan is to cap it at the basic registration fee, $73 a year. Okay. Sure. I don't want to go. I mean, I've been to the DMV. We've all been at the DMV, right? Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's terrible. You know, it's not good. It's not a good. You feel like you're going to prison. Well, exactly. There's something creepy about you're in that, you know. Exactly. So I think let's try and do it a different way. Okay. Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25% off grocery store prices. Beef jerky, microwave meals, laundry pods, even they can't screw up. Have you met my kids? And with BJ's gas, she gets there for less. 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You look at massive job displacement. You look at that Terminator scenario. That people, I think, are rightfully worried about. So strong federal oversight. And we ought to start negotiating with China right now. Okay, that's what I was going to say. It's not other states that we're worried about so much. It's other countries. We were able to negotiate nonproliferation treaties on nuclear weapons with the USSR at the height of the Cold War. We can do this. We just can't send the president's developer buddy and his son-in-law who have conflicts of interest in the same region. And nobody trusts us anymore. Nobody trusts. Nobody wants to have to. And nobody wants to rely on the United States because they don't know who our allies are anymore. This president has moved us from leader of the free world to the bully on the playground. The idea that he walked into the U.N. and said to the winner goes to the spoils, that ain't who America is. No, that is not who America is. Right, Steve? Yeah, I agree with that. But on the A.I. thing, you know, we got -- one of the things that I thought was so hilarious, when you had that panic a few months ago, actually a few weeks ago, you had so many people, especially the politicians in Washington, like, spouting off about A.I. without the first idea what they're talking about. They've read something online. Five minutes later, they're saying that's their policy. I think we, you know, we lead on A.I. here in California. We should be leading on the regulation. We got people who actually understand it. And it's obvious that they should make their products safer. No one here is going to understand it ever. Anymore they're going to understand the theory of relativity. It's the kind of thing you just have to take on faith from certain people. You just do. You're never going to understand it. You're never going to know what goes on inside that computer or how A.I. works. But if the owners of these A.I. companies are begging for federal oversight, it means it's definitely needed. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Listen to the people. I mean, I don't know where Musk is today, because he changes a lot, but he was the first one. And he said, look, this is an extinction-level event, possibly. And this was like 10, 12 years ago. And then so did the godfather of A.I. So think about it. The guy who's turning off the satellites in Ukraine -- Yes. -- saying that this is a major problem and danger. And so many others have, too. I mean, they've all come around to it, like, yes, we could be the richest people ever, but what good does it do if we're dead? No, I agree with that, but they don't agree. And I think the point is there's a simple truth about it, which is they're creating products. In every other industry, we expect people to try and make products safely, and we have regulations to make sure that the products are produced safely. And I don't think it's that different. You know, they -- and if you look at -- Someone like Jensen Wang, for example, and others, they're saying that we need to do a better job of focusing on the safety of our products. And if we don't do that, we need regulation. No, he's not saying that. He's not saying that. No, he is just saying it's an engineering question, that we can make the product safely. No, he's the one who's, like, very -- But most products can't go off the rails, can't do the exact thing you design it not to do, and they've already gotten out of their sandbox. Yes, exactly. They have been smarter than the people that designed it, and you're not going to be able to -- You're not going to be able to close Pandora's box. No, exactly. What about data centers? I mean, they're very unpopular in this country. What's going on with that in Kentucky? They are unpopular. They ought to be a very local decision, but we've got to empower the localities to be able to actually negotiate or say no if they want to to these companies. It's got to be -- I signed an executive order that said, number one, you pay for all your own power. Number two, you fix your water and environmental issues. Number three, you pay your fair share of taxes and not try to get out of them. But number four -- And that locality has to want you. You cannot impose a data center on a community. And if a community says, okay, we need the help for our public school system or 200 jobs in this part of our state would be really helpful, then that local decision should be honored. But people shouldn't feel like they have to say yes to these companies. One other thing on AI. It's interesting. An interesting thing on AI here in L.A., the school district has done is ban AI. in the classroom. really big area we've got to look at. There's this whole concern about something that's known as cognitive stunting. If you're introducing AI too early into the classroom, it's literally stopping kids developing the skills to think and make arguments. I agree with that. I think we should ban it in all classrooms because you can't have, until we at least figure out the right role for AI in education, rather than just randomly introducing it. Well, one thing we've tried to do is ban AI in campaigns. That idea that you shouldn't be able to create that fake video. You shouldn't be able to put your opponent in a room that he or she was never in because you should at least be trying to tell the truth instead of to create something entirely untrue. I saw a poll today. I was actually surprised that the number one issue, corruption. More than even prices, gas prices. Usually it's the economy's stupid. Corruption. What does that say about the Republican Party right now? Well, I think that there's different sides of it. I mean, for me, the corruption is what you see in, the corruption that I see here is the fact that you've got, for 16 years now, you've got a system, a machine in Sacramento that is sustained by this alliance of the government unions and the special interests and teachers unions, and they control the politicians. One of the reasons we can't get housing built in California is corruption because they're using it. They're using it to control the politicians. The unions bribe the politicians to pass laws that make it practically impossible. And schools. Schools. Lawsuits. You run a business in California, you're going to be hit by a lawsuit. Why? One of the top donors to Democrat politicians are the trial attorneys that constantly get laws that enable them to endlessly file lawsuits against anything happening. But I think the corruption that the voters are talking about in that poll is more the Trump corruption, that there's always a side deal with everything he does, that kind of stuff. Voters can't afford their basic needs right now. They're paying $4,500 more for stuff this year than they bought last year. They're paying $800 more in gas this year for the same amount that they bought last year. They're falling further behind, and the Trump administration is making billions. I mean, the family is personally making billions. He'll make a stock trade and talk about the company the next day. We absolutely have to ban stock trading all across the federal government. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Good luck with the campaign. Good luck with your campaign. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher every Friday night at 10, or watch them anytime on HBO On Demand. For more information, log on to HBO.com. Even with BJ's gas, she gets there for less. Home of the save. Open soon. The real cost of a break-in isn't your valuables. It's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. 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