Overtime – Episode #725: Ezekiel Emanuel, Douglas Murray, Paul Rieckhoff

Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late night series real-time with Bill Maugh. All right, he is a bioethicist, oncologist, an author of each of ice cream, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel. Thank you. Thank you. He's a podcast host of National Security and Political Analyst Paul Reikov, and he is a New Year's postman for everyone. An author of on democracies and duck cubs, Douglas Murray, I will give him an applause, too. All right, here are the questions from the people. What do you make of anthropic saying that it's new -- oh, I'm doing this next week at the end of the show. This is blowing my -- anthropic saying that it's new A.A. model, it's too dangerous to be released for the public. You know, all these things we're talking about, the war and all these -- the terrible problems on Earth. I read the end of the book. It's AI. It's AI in the parlor with the candlestick. It is -- it is -- this shit is going -- and it's going to happen faster. I thought it would happen only in the lives of the children I never had. It's how it's going to happen in my life. Oh, yeah. Oh, great. So, we're all agreed. It's going to wipe us out. Bill, your doctor in 2032, when you get, you know, of that age, right, it will be AI and AI will be more knowledgeable. Oh, you're saying it's going to save us? Well, at least in medicine, it's going to do -- It's going to do great things in medicine. Great thing. Yes. Why hasn't it -- yet, why hasn't it figured out cancer? Because -- because we just -- look, we released the LLM in November 22. Yeah. We haven't had enough time. And it's getting better. The -- the AI you're using today, as my colleague at Penn says, is the worst AI you'll ever use. It's only getting better and a lot faster than human beings. Well, the worst AI at Anthropic is also interwoven into our national security. They're a defense contractor. And they had it out with Pete Exeth and he removed them. But the AI was supposed to be in the kill chain. Here we're going to leave the decision whether or not to kill targets -- to hit targets -- in the hands of an AI. And that's how we get to that. It's going to carry that out. So there was one that was going to kill the day you said that the AI model they were working with knows how to blackmail the person using it. It's, of course, true. I mean, it says -- if you don't do this, then I will tell your wife about the meeting you had last Monday. Yes, I know. And it's like, well, we might live longer, but we're going to be very unhappy. It's -- [ Laughter ] That's a sure thing. [ Applause ] That is a very bad combination. It's longer and miserable is not where you want to be. I'll say more about it next week, but it is -- it is going to kill us all. I mean, it's every fucking movie, please. The movies are never wrong. [ Laughter ] Only said from Hollywood. The fertility rate in the U.S. has been declining since 2007. What do you think is driving this downward trend? This is for you, doctor. Well, we know sex has been declining also. Well, I would guess there was a connection, sure. [ Laughter ] I'm not a formal doctor, but I -- [ Laughter ] But you pretend to be one. Now, look, we have multiple social factors. It's super expensive to have kids and to raise kids. Yes. Women have a lot more opportunities. Yes. And they're realizing those opportunities. And we've made it hard. Look, go to -- try to get a kid into daycare. And then try to pay the bill for daycare. And then imagine paying the bill for college. We made it very difficult. [ Laughter ] Unfortunately, I don't have to imagine any of that. I need an AI to help me. I blame JD Vance for all of it. [ Laughter ] I mean, he doesn't make anybody want to have sex or hang out with anyone else. [ Laughter ] Wait. He's got his -- He's going to be the limit to the sex, which you blame, JD. [ Cheers and applause ] I think there's sweet spot. There's no -- there's no limit. I think you hurt the cause when you look like you actually have Trump derangements over. I didn't mention Trump. [ Laughter ] Do you agree with the UK's decision to Douglas to bar Kanye West from entering the country over his history of anti-Semitism? No, I don't. It's so ridiculous. The politicians love this sort of thing because they get to talk about Kanye West instead of the fact they can't grow the economy. The educational standards are still terrible. Taxation keeps going up. So they're like, "Let's talk about Kanye West." [ Laughter ] It's so serious. I can't believe -- I can't believe the public fall for this. We fall for it again and again. And the politicians love it. They absolutely love it. But no, of course -- I mean, he -- Look, all this crazy stuff he's sung. I don't care to listen to his music, so I don't listen to it. I don't think he's, you know -- Surprising. [ Laughter ] [ Cheers and applause ] I didn't know that. That's a nice idea. [ Laughter ] I'm shocked. I'm shocked. So, look. Shut up. I thought you were always, "Yeah, big brothers. My big brother." Listen to that. I did not -- There is a freedom of speech argument here, too. Yeah. Oh, I'm -- You don't have to support a music. You don't have to agree with it. I think he's disgusting, but you can still -- But we have -- I agree. I'm a freedom speech person, but we have to all agree. I think that anti-semitism, and what you can say, has changed a lot in the last couple of years, and he has not been helpful with that. The things that people say now just outright. And, by the way, I watched that special documentary on the Manus fear. Yeah. You know what's really frightening? It's something the -- The meathead bros of the Manus fear, and the crazy fucking pink-haired weirdos, although far-left on campus agree on. They don't like the Jews, either one of them. Cool. They both think the Jews are the problem of everything in the world, just like people did a thousand years ago, and a hundred years ago. I'm throughout history. I don't know. Who put the kick me sign on their back? But it's pretty scary, when those two groups are somehow aligned on this issue and no other issue. Well, the Overton window has opened up, you know, about the issue today. I don't know what that is, and I don't want to know what that is. I don't -- don't tell me. The same thing is true about racism, right? Things you couldn't say, right? Are being said now about all sorts of groups and people. That's true, but you've got to -- I mean, it's gone so crazy on the Jews. I mean, the extent that some of Kanye West's fame can get away with doing Heila Hitler and all this stuff, and the people who support him and follow him are willing to make jokes about gasping the Jews and so on. If there was any other minority, we wouldn't even be having the conversation about whether or not that person should be allowed out into civilized society. They just wouldn't be out in civilized society. Well, there's been a normalization of it when it comes to Jews from the far right and the far left. I totally agree with that. But the other thing we have lost in our society is shame, right? Yes. No one is ashamed. And Trump has really done that, right? And we've lost honor. You certainly have. We lost respect. We lost integrity. All that is blown apart, but those two groups are actually united on one other issue. It wasn't like it was perfect, and then Trump came along. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. But you mentioned the manosphere and the left wing with the purple hair. There's one other issue they're united on. They're opposition to Iran. Because Trump has done something very, very unique. He has united the American public against Iran. So now you have Marjorie Taylor Greene, AOC agreeing on one thing, and it's their opposition to Iran and to accelerating Iran and putting boots on the ground. Why do you say unique moment? Melania Trump gave a speech on Thursday saying she was not a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, I only vaguely remember her being brought up in the Epstein files, as maybe there was a rumor that Epstein introduced her. It was a British ulcer. Is that what she was doing? A book in which she said that was unsourced, and then the publishers withdrew it, I think. Okay. So I think it was out there, but maybe she wanted to put it. I think she only drew more attention to her. I think maybe she knows something's coming, and she's trying to stay ahead of it. Watch this space, because. [ Cheers and applause ] Yeah, I'm putting that out here. Preemptive strike, as they would say, in the military. [ Cheers and applause ] I already hear first. Droking chin-a-mojo. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They're jumping shipmen. Well, what are your thoughts on news that eligible American men between ages 18 and 26 will now be automatically registered for a draft? Very, very important, and one of the most under-reported stories has started to circulate, and it's been accelerated by the fact that Trump says he won't take the draft off the table, but here's why it's important. It was passed by the GOP Congress and excludes women, right? It would actually mandatorily enroll every man who turns 18 starting in December, instead of going to the selective service and opting in, everybody will automatically enroll. I think it's very, very important to wake this country up to what the human cost of war looks like, and frankly, it's woken up the atmosphere. Now, all these podcasters think, "Oh, shit. Are you going to get drafted for the war in Iran?" And it's forcing a conversation on this country that might not happen any other way. But should we have a draft? No. No, no. We should have a draft. I mean, not for this. Well, not for this one. This is a national service, but not a draft. Okay, but why shouldn't the pain be spread around? I agree with that 100%. But also keep in mind, this legislation excludes women. It is very much a GOP culture war initiative that has excluded women from maybe the most basic area of equality. Women should have the right to fight and die and serve for their country as well. Okay. But they have removed that from this. But it's really important. There's always a lot of talk in this country when the sacrifice is the issue about it. Yes. You know, remember during COVID, we're all in it together. We were in orange together. Half of the people were in their pajamas, eating food that was being delivered by other people. Somehow that food got to your door. If it was really that big of an emergency, shouldn't we have all taken a turn at Grubhub? Agreed. It wouldn't have been the real way to do it. Yeah. You know, these are the same people who talk about, you know, the stolen land, like, you're going to give it back. Shut up. But there's a generation of chicken hawks that want to send other people's kids to die. And the president, most of all, Baron Trump is not signed up to go to Iran. OK. And that's important. [APPLAUSE] Final question for panel. What are the panel's thoughts on Kamala Harris saying she's considering a run in 2028 that might be against your brother who might be running, right? It's in Rama Manual. He's on the show next week, isn't he? You can ask him directly. I only know the rumors. But it's really, you don't talk to your own brother about it. I talk to my brother all the time. Talk about our children, our grandchildren. No. Kamala? I think Kamala had her shot at the loss of stage. Let others take their opportunities. She showed that she really didn't have a lot of programs or a good campaign. And we need to win 2028 because we can't have four more years. [APPLAUSE] So you can run, you can run. I think my brother, let me be as diplomatic as I can. He'd make a fantastic president. My brother's not running. [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] Catch all new episodes of real time with Bill Maher, Every Friday night at 10. Or watch him anytime on HBO On Demand. For more information, log on to HBO.com.