Ornstein transfer latest: Bruno, Vini Jr & Salah

The Athletic FC Hi there and welcome to the Athletic FC podcast with me, Adam Levantal, his Arsenal's transfer window finally coming alive Bruno Gimmarash is on his way. Vinnie Jr. could be next, so what does this mean for Arsenal's title defence? Alongside mate from the Athletic is our football correspondent David Ornstein, Jay Harris and Art de Roche, great to have you with me, Jens. Later on we're going to be talking about Spurs, Manchester United, Newcastle, Barcola, many more as well. But let's start with Arsenal and David, key development today on Bruno Gimmarash coming in from Newcastle. Tell us all about it. Yeah, Newcastle and Arsenal have now reached an agreement for Bruno Gimmarash. The price is £75m. That's a fixed guaranteed fee. There are no addons or bonuses as part of the package. Although 20% of the profit that Newcastle extracts from signing him by Leon a few years ago is owed back to the French club. So that reduces a little bit what they will take from it. Obviously Arsenal would have preferred to have paid a lower amount. Newcastle would have wanted more, but they finally reached a compromise and that will unlock Bruno Gimmarash to travel, undergo a medical and complete this move. Personal terms, no issue, of course, because it was a move that as we exclusively revealed weeks ago that he wanted and he had told Newcastle that he was keen to pursue as he tries to add trophies to his CV, Brazil International, 27, 28 years old, later this year. So it's a key moment for him. Michael Arthetta wanted him to reinforce Arsenal's midfield by the sporting director Andrea Bertha, the ownership, Cronkey family, putting their money where their mouth is to win now. So it's really significant. There was a lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of denials of what was going on in this initially handled by intermediaries and then it went club to club. But they've got there in the end and I think all parties were keen to draw a line under it as we revealed on Tuesday when an agreement was approaching. Now that's in place and it should all get wrapped up. So Newcastle can move on under their new head coach who's going to be announced soon. Mateus Yaislu and they'll want to obviously reinvest, reinforce. They'll have plenty of candidates. They're looking at, but I don't know firm names just yet. That process can get going and Arsenal can look forward to bolstering their ranks with the top player in Newcastle's captain and one of the leading midfielders in European world football. Where does he fit in? Are you excited by this one? I think the more I've kind of looked at him and watched him back so his clips and seeing the type of player he is, the more excited I've become because he's pleasantly surprised me, I'd say. When Arsenal have played Newcastle, I guess the archetype we've seen is the more aggressive midfielder who's trying to impose himself on a game and disrupt opponents. I mean, a memory a lot of Arsenal fans did have was his incident with Georgina a few years back, but upon watching him, I think he's someone who's a lot more accomplished on the board than I realised, watching in those games. I think what is really pleasing is that he should allow Arsenal to do a lot of different things in midfield, whether it's him playing alongside Declan Ryses or maybe setting up a little bit differently to that on his own in a deeper role. I think he's someone who adds quality and isn't just a body, which I think is the massive thing when Arsenal think about how they're going to try and retain a Premier League title which they've never done. Last time they retained a championship even was 90 years ago, so I think when you're looking at how you can get better and that's something they've spoken about publicly throughout the summer, I think that's the way you do it. When I was looking at teams who have retained the Premier League, Chelsea Manchester United and Manchester City, it felt like they were most comparable with Chelsea in 2005. Obviously 2005 was Chelsea's first Premier League title win and then the midfield they had that season was Lampard Maccalei and Tiago, none of them did anything wrong really, but they reacted that summer by signing Michael Essien. That took them three months to complete with Leon being quite tough negotiators, but they were able to get that done, get over the line and Essien gave them a different dimension that helped them retain the league for the first time. I think those are the things that I've seen that make me more excited about this happening. I get people who have concerns about his age, but those are massive concerns for me considering how he's been able to play throughout his years at Newcastle. Ability and leadership he brings, doesn't he? Definitely. First, he should point out that the spurs correspondent, this is not a good name. It's a good move, but when you look at Arsenal's central midfield options in previous years, when they had Georgineo as a back up or Mohamed El Neni and now you're looking at those midfield options of Rice, Supermende, Gimmarish as a Oda guard, Marzalouis Skelli, that's terrifying for other teams in the league. There's also that stack which I actually don't have off the top of my head, but Newcastle could basically never win a game if Gimmaris didn't start and that alone speaks to his leadership as you mentioned, but also where he was able to control games and he often popped up with quite crucial goals. For Arsenal, it's fantastic for the rest of the league. It's pretty depressing. I did see the stack, Chris Woth did something for the World Cup series where he mentioned I think Newcastle of only one twice when Bruno's not started for them. You can see there is a big emphasis on his leadership, not just in terms of what he's doing with the ball, but how he can actually drag a team for a game. And quickly before I forget, sorry, I'm pretty certain Gimmaris sets up Martinelli for Brazil's winner against Japan in the World Cup. It was round of 32. Yeah. So already, well, whether Martinelli stays in the match, is something we might touch on in a moment, but you've got an example there of someone who can contribute in key moments in a really creative manner. It was a fantastic pass to get his team over the line. It may well be that he's linking up with another Brazilian at Arsenal. David, let's bring you in on a Veniceus junior coming in potentially from Real Madrid. Obviously, this is a massive potential signing. What's the latest on that? Well, it's a live situation, Adam, because there are meetings going on in Madrid as we speak to determine what's going to happen with Veniceus junior. He's going to renew his contract at Real Madrid. They've been in talks for what, 18 months without any movement. I think it's quite well documented now that Real Madrid are at around 22 million euros in their offer, salary offer. He wants something more towards 30. I think it's 28 million euros. And they've not been able to bridge the gap. Is that now going to happen? Let's wait and see. If it's not going to happen, there are two very clear options that he's sold now. And Arsenal are the main suitor. They are trying to sign him with everything they have. They all in giving it their absolute best shot. And the alternative, of course, is that he stays and sees out his final year if an agreement can't be reached and a transfer isn't sanctioned. And he departs as a free agent in the summer of 2027. I think there's optimism around Arsenal based on all the conversations they've had in the work that they've undertaken. There's approval at all levels right from the very top. Michel Artheta really driving this and extremely keen backed by the cronkeys at ownership level. They've clearly calculated the finances and are ready to do something that would obviously be spectacular for the club, for the Premier League, for European and World Football. Really it rests now on the player. What does he want to do? And I think there's a feeling at Arsenal that he wants to come. But that's like if he doesn't stay at Roma Dread, if he doesn't stay at Roma Dread, he wants to come to Arsenal as the feeling in North London. But that's obviously a big if and a lot can happen in those conversations. And when we broke the news, there was a huge reaction. But I think Arsenal were quite comfortable with it because they've been working on this for longer than has been in the public domain. And even if it doesn't happen, which is of course possible, the fact that they are in the conversation for a player of this caliber and stature in terms of what he stands for on the pitch and offered as well. So football and commercial, it's indicative of how far they've come that they're at the top table and they're in with the shout. And that wasn't the case before. So there would be no sense of failure or disaster or shame if it didn't come to fruition. And no doubt they'll have other options too. But landing Gimmer Isher is a step in the right direction if they were. But a land of the Niscus junior would be unbelievable to many given their key aim for this window was to raise the level of that front line, their attacking quality, to try and get over the line in the Champions League. And I'm sure this will be at the heart of the pitch to the Niscus junior is that one trophy that's alluded them so far. But let's see how it unfolds because it's impossible at the time of recording this to say with certainty which direction it's going to go in. But it's an active situation and it's clearly a huge matter. Obviously this is something that the Arsenal's hierarchy will have to deal with if the transfer goes through. But on the sort of the footballing side and the dressing room side, you've mentioned massive wages for the Niscus junior. And this is a mega transfer coming into the Premier League but coming into Arsenal. And I have quite a strict sort of wage structure. Is this a potential disruption, a potential challenge for our tether to get this right as well? Depends what side of the equation you look at it from and sit on. So if you're another player in that squad or they're representatives, you might think hang on a second. If they're paying him that much, you know, I feel I'm underpaid or I may be made sacrifices to join Arsenal from a salary perspective and they made out to me that they've not got the money when I signed. Now they're, you know, going all out for somebody that's going to cost them exorbitant amounts of money. It's just a hypothetical scenario. I don't know that being the case right now. And then you've got the club perspective, which I'm sure would be that they're ready to make a financial exception for a player of such immense quality and experience at club and international level and what he could bring to Arsenal in all areas justifies that maybe one off, unique spend and expenditure. So if it happens, it's a major if then they'll have to deal with that. And I'm sure there will be many conversations. And there will be players and representatives, I'm sure, who would be in favour of the signing and understanding the outlay as well. So that's the nature of the beast when you go to such lengths to try and sign somebody of this standing. But I think we're not quite at that stage yet. Cross that bridge if it comes to it. And it's a very legitimate question, of course, but clearly Arsenal feel that it's a situation they'd be prepared to handle if they get the opportunity to do this. Listen, there's a world in which it can't happen now for whatever reason, availability, financials, and then Arsenal may look to do it and other clubs in the summer of 2027. If he doesn't sign new contracts, if he goes into his final year. And I think one of the factors in that, Adam, is that he's owed a loyalty bonus by Real Madrid. You know, 10 million euros people are saying, maybe more, I don't know exactly the figures. You know, if you're Real Madrid, you probably don't mind paying that if he's renewing, but if he's going to be leaving, it's a bit of a bitter pill to swallow. That's a factor in this as well, no doubt. But if it comes to the summer of 2027, maybe the signing on bonus is more for a club like Arsenal, whoever else is more palatable than right now, you know, the numbers are going to be eye-watering if it comes to fruition because you've got a transfer fee and we don't know about that yet. Of course, if Real Madrid aren't prepared to offer a vinesiaston you've contracted, the level he wants, that's kind of saying to the player that you're not prepared to keep him at the extent that he wants. So he would probably argue, then you should let me go for a realistic fee. And that's where Arsenal, the current tutor, may try and get a fee that is not outrageous. At the same time, that's Real Madrid's prerogative. They could ask for whatever they want. So if Arsenal are paying a transfer fee now and sign on bonus, you know, these are going to be tough numbers clearly as you point out. It's a different situation if it comes as free agency because then you don't have the transfer fee. So many elements here. But, you know, everybody you speak to around it sort of feels varying percentages of where it might happen. I'm a classic fancitor. So maybe a 50/50. And let's see how it develops. It's a great story to be across and to discuss. Are you allowing yourself art to get excited about this? Hmm. I think the excitement is there because to David's point on Arsenal being in the conversation, I think the start of the summer was maybe a bit slow by Arsenal standards, especially when you consider after the Champions League final in this press conference. Miquel Teto was talking about Arsenal's need to be ambitious to be fast. And he didn't feel like they were as fast as he was speaking about. But it felt also like Arsenal needed a moment in the summer to show like they were acting like champions. It felt like to make that next step because we all knew they wanted to upgrade. They needed to show, okay, we're going to strut our stuff basically. And it feels like even being in the conversation with Anisius Jr. is doing that. What I would say is in terms of football, pure football, what excites me about it is it allows Arsenal, if it does happen, to potentially make another evolutionary step with Miquel Teto because if Anisius Jr. does sign, I think it's very unlikely they play the exact same brand of football that they have played in the last couple of seasons because you'll have a player who just creates so many different problems for an opposition, even when he doesn't have the ball. And I think when you look at how our Teto's spoken outside of the comment I just mentioned, he's also put a big emphasis on individual quality and the need for that. And I feel like if you're looking for players in World Football, you're not going to get many better than Anisius Jr. when it comes to that. So yeah, definitely excited even being in the conversation. Could this be the biggest ever Premier League transfer coup? It definitely has to be up there. I know lots of people have made the comparison to when Paul Pogbud rejoined Manchester United from the eventous and I remember that being just a massive deal for a few different reasons. And one of them was the involvement of Adidas and another one was the involvement of Stormzi. So it was almost like more than just a football transfer, almost like a moment, a cultural moment. But for all the reasons Art and David had said the wages involved, it still be a significant transfer, even if it might not be what it was if he had more years left in his contract. The fact that Arsenal were in the conversation for a player who was caliber when a couple of years ago they were nowhere near it. It would be, man, especially when the Premier League's in a period of transition this summer with Liverpool Chelsea, Manchester City all have new head coaches. You know, Manchester United, they've got Michael Carrike and he's only been there six months. Like Art said, have Arsenal behaved like champions in this transfer window? Maybe not when you look back on what, especially Manchester United used to do under Sir Alex Ferguson. They pretty much always go and poach whoever the best player was in the league who wasn't at Arsenal or Chelsea. They'd go and sign that player. And with some of these moves with Gameris and Vinicius, it feels like Arsenal are finally doing that in this final month for the window. David, I wanted to bring you back in on potential transfers into Real Madrid. Obviously, we wait and see what happens with Vinicius Junior and whether he's going to be leaving. What's your intel on on Roderie from Manchester City, first of all? We reported recently that Real Madrid were operating on the basis that Roderie will be coming in. Maybe that's reality. Maybe that's getting ahead of themselves. So we don't know the fine detail of it. It seems that there's some interest from Barcelona too, which is an intriguing battle, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, that could be really exciting if it turned into a real battle. I think Manchester City want to keep Roderie. That's clear. They would love him to renew. There's no sign of renewal and there hasn't been for some time. So clearly it's the situation being worked on. I would say more by the representatives of Roderie than intensive club to club negotiations at this point. It seems there has been some dialogue between Real Madrid and City. I hear that Barcelona have been pushing to try and get involved in it, but where that's quite up to. I'm not sure. So again, another one of these situations that we don't know how it's going to pan out, but it's clearly a massive topic because Real Madrid, appeared to have identified him as the man they want to come into Central Midfield, the Spain captain, player of the World Cup and I think he's from Madrid, obviously athletic go background. So yeah, not aware of sort of major developments towards a conclusion on that one ongoing, but evidently, you know, it's a massive topic as this window sort of moves on and with the start of the season looming for all three of those clubs mentioned. And Yandhi Amandhi coming in from RB Leipzig. I mean, we've been banging on about this one for ages. It feels, is this reaching a positive outcome for Real Madrid? - Yeah, it seems to be. I think as we've been recording this, our colleagues, Mario Cortagana and Seb Stafford Blur have reported that the talk's ridden an advanced stage now between Real Madrid and RB Leipzig with a sort of agreement getting closer. I think Diemunday has been pictured at the RB Leipzig training camp in Austria. I don't know if he's actually training or just saying goodbyes, waiting, optics, that he's still on board and you can't go and strike. You need to be with your teammates and do these things the right way if you want your transfer. And clearly he wants Real Madrid and the direction of travel for some time now has been that it will get there. It needs to be ratified by the Red Ball Board and there's a feeling that that might happen very soon. So yeah, it appears that this one is a matter of time. It's clearly been a tricky, complicated situation. First, I think really there was Liverpool there. Then it was that he had decided he wants to join PSG, but PSG didn't come up to the financial level that was satisfactory to RB Leipzig. Real Madrid indicated they would. They Manchester City and others were flirting around it, but it was Real Madrid who really pressed on and judging by some of the numbers doing the rounds, this could be an astronomical deal, like 130, 140 million. All up, we reported just a few days ago that the second offer I think was around 100 million fixed and then add-ons that took it to around 120 hadn't been responded to Leipzig one and more, I think eventually they did respond. Real Madrid had to raise it and we talked so much earlier Adam about Venice's junior, but clearly if Real Madrid are going to be strengthening in the wide areas, whatever side you feel that the Amunday plays best on, then that raises question about existing players. People have mentioned the likes of Brahim Diaz and even into Central Midfield, Camarvingo and then of course, the conversation moves to Venice's junior and would the arrival of a wide player help facilitate his exit and they're both represented by the same agency and rock nation. So there's all sorts of moving parts to this, but yeah, it does seem that that one's going to get over the line and then I think all, or even more attention will turn to Venice's junior's future. And just one quick one from all of you, David you were talking about Yandia Mandi being seen at RB Leipzig's training ground and images going around the world and the impact of that. I just wanted to get your thoughts. All of you on seeing Mo Salah now wearing a Trabson sport shirt and no longer a Liverpool icon. Obviously he's going to be remembered fondly, but he's now starting his new life in Turkey. What do you make of that, Jay? - Yeah, surprise. I think I reread it a couple of times when I saw it was a Trabson sport. There's no disrespect to them, but my assumption was that he'd go to Saudi Arabia because they've been so many links to their over the years. And maybe MLS, we've seen lots of players do that and it really boost their profile, they're going to do a dosky bail, they bring him a bit to some of the examples. So yeah, very surprised. - David, what did you make of it? Because I remember being stood next to you here in the athletic studios when we were talking about potentially him going to Saudi Arabia a couple of years ago. - Yeah, that's when the money was really flowing from the Saudi pro league towards Europe and it doesn't seem to be quite the case now. And there was always some resistance, I think, on Mo Salah's part as well. And that hasn't appeared to be at the top of his agenda just now. It was that he wanted to keep playing in Europe and you know, Trabson sport like Jay, no disrespect and it'll provide European football and they're a big club within Turkey and the Turkish clubs are paying really well, which is an important factor for all players. - Yeah, MLS would have, and probably still is an option, depends how long Mo Salah has left in his legs. This isn't such a shame. I think it was a shame last season how it didn't quite work out from the highs of the previous campaign. And you know, it signed that new contract and to see that kind of mutually terminated a year in, amid a real downturn in performance for team and club was a pity for those involved. And I just hope that Mo Salah can sort of rediscover his form because there's nothing to say he can't light it up at Trabson sport and make his mark. But then I guess there's a part of you that will always wonder what might have been if he had given it a shot at one of the biggest clubs in the main sort of so-called leading European leagues. But it takes two to tango. It didn't seem that they were there for him or at least not on the conditions that he would have wanted. And so given his legendary status and epic career, you wish him well. And I'm sure there's a bit left in the tank here. Yeah, we saw with Leandro Trostard, for example, that the whole package, the financials as well, sometimes that just plays a part, especially when you're a little bit further on in your career. Yeah, 100%. Because I feel like with both of them, the quality is there definitely to play in higher quality leagues. But when, as David said, you need the interest as well from other big teams. So it's surprising both of those transfers are surprising to me. But I feel like at the end of the day, they're at an age where they just have to do what makes them happy. And if this is it, then the nasty move they have to make. Okay, let's widen our focus a bit to take in the summer window as a whole. Now the record for a British player has been broken twice. First for Elliott Anderson heading from Nottingham Forest to Manchester City for a hundred and 16 million. And then Chelsea signing Morgan Rogers from Villa for a hundred and 17 million in the most petty transfer fee of all time. It appears both invented the top 10 most expensive transfers of all time. Just a quick battle between you two, who's got the better value, J and arts, better value. Morgan Rogers or Elliott Anderson. I'm going to say Anderson addresses a more specific need in man just to City Squad, especially if Rodgeri leaves. And there's been some issues with some of the other sentient with fielders, Randas and Denzarles, maybe not being at the required level. Whereas Rodgers to Chelsea always just felt a little bit random. It's just so palmar and Rodgers could be could be reunited. So I'm going to say Anderson, maybe not in terms of value, but that deal makes more sense to me. Do you disagree with that? No, no, I agree. In my heart, it feels like Anderson is the more logical choice. The only thing that's making me debate it is when you look in history, the highest transfer fees are usually for attacking players because they're the ones that make the difference. And I think Morgan Rogers has proven at Asden Villa. He can make a difference. And I feel like he'll still be able to do that at Chelsea. So at the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if people would say, OK, I get it. He was worth that because he's delivered. But it does feel like Anderson was, yeah, a more specific signing for a more specific need. David, I wanted to rattle through a couple of other clubs, players that people have been asking for. Spurs, obviously really big transfers early on in the window, have gone quiet. Are they going to come up with something else big once again? Yeah, they're still active, of course. They're on tour. So that's probably affected a bit of their movement in the market. But it's not like their dormant. They are still trying to strengthen because this has been a remarkable summer. It's just that some of it is a few weeks ago now. And they want to bolster that attack even further. You've seen the links to Savino. I think Manchester City would need to find a replacement if they were going to sanction his exit. You've seen the links to Cody Gack-Pog, clearly some interest there, even though not aware of club to club at this point. So that gives you an indication of what they're looking to do. They've been linked to some strikers as well to reinforce alongside Dom Salanki. So, yeah, having done some really impressive work in defence midfield and the goalkeeping department, you would imagine that that front line is now going to be the focus of their attention heading towards the end of the market. Maybe some outgoing as well. We still need to see what happens with Lucas Bergval. But Tottenham have turned out to be one of the busiest and most spectacular teams in this transfer window. And I would imagine they're not done yet. David just mentioned it there in terms of outgoing. But I think we're at a point in the window where Spurs sort of need to shift their attention. To that, Bergval is the very obvious one because there's been offers from Nottingham Forest and Newcastle United at the club have rejected. There's also the small matter of the official club captain Christian Romero. And we've reported throughout the summer that we think that he's probably going to leave. He's got Gilealmo Vicario who for the last three years has been the first choice goalkeeper. You've got Papay Sarr. I think they've got eight central midfielders at the moment. So they're going to have to cut back on a few numbers. You know, Rochaleson scored. The stoppage time winner against Chelsea in their preseason tour. Then after the game, Deserbio revealed that sometimes Rochaleson wants to leave. Sometimes he wants to stay. I think there are a few moving parts. Spurs have sold some players well this summer. Vuskovich is an example lecture as well. I think now they need to try. and maybe sell players who are not generating the same interest as Bergwaviskivich for example, and then maybe off the back of that they can resume their focus on getting an attacking player because they're missing so many attacking players through injury, CMONs or Javi CMONs, Wilson Odebeer, Daniel Kudasewski, then they cannot ignore that part of the pitch. Speaking of attacking players, David, anything happening with Bradley Barclay that's moving close to a conclusion from PSG? It's clear that doors have been opened because Bradley Barclay inside the last two years of his contract doesn't intend to renew so PSG are open to the possibility of him leaving provided their valuation is met and that's a big if right now because it's extremely high by the sounds of it. Now that figure seems to have changed at various points in time but those clubs that have been looking at him like Liverpool and others would have been considering but Liverpool have been portrayed as the front runners. I think that's going to be really hard for them to reach if it proves the case that PSG stick to that. Let's see if they change at all. So it's a tricky one. The way that Elliot Anderson's transfer, Sandra Tannale, Morgan Rogers have kind of inflated somewhat the market and skewed valuations. It probably makes PSG in bolden to ask for more for Barclay when he's a decorated player in his own right having one Champions League's, domestic leagues, represented France, scored a World Cup. Even though he's been largely used from the bench, hasn't held down a permanent starting place and that's clearly the source of his frustrations. But PSG will want to be careful with this because there may be an injury or dip in form for another player away from needing Barclay in that line-up Lewis, Emory Kaye. Then there's also Ibrahim and Bay, talented teenage winger at PSG and an international who played at the World Cup in his own right. And he's among the options that Liverpool are looking at. They'll have multiple for these wide positions. That's been the focus of their attention in this market. Obviously they bought him Mignost, they've got Rio and Gamoa. But let's see which direction in which they look to go. Barclay is clearly one to pay attention to, but there's no clear picture on where he's going to go just yet. And you suspect that will take some time. It may even go down to the wire. And there's no guarantee he moves at all. And a quick one before we let you go, David. On Manchester United, Telemans and Santos both in, Ado Sidali has said on YouTube, thanks for the question. Are they going to get a third midfielder and a left back before the deadline? Well, I joked on one of our podcasts when I was put on the spot without it being scripted. Who's going to be the busiest team in this market, right at the beginning of the summer, or maybe even before? And I thought, Man United, just because there's so much work that needed to be done and still does need to be done, heading towards a season when you've got a new permanent head coach, you've got a Champions League campaign. So more depth is needed, trading is required, ines, especially in midfield, outs to. And they haven't done tons yet. That's not to say that that won't change as the market develops. And so, yeah, a third midfielder has clearly been on their agenda. It's been well documented. And they'll, you know, they'll be looking at their options. I think if there was one that they were really sold on, they probably would have moved on it now. And if it was the right value, et cetera. But in the absence of that, it seems there has been a bit of a shift towards the possibility of a left back. And I don't know if that's Michael Carrick driving a left back over a midfielder, or it's just a chronology thing that right now, they're maybe looking at a left back. And then do they come back to that third midfielder? Lewis Hall, I don't expect to be coming to Manchester United. There's clearly some interest there who doesn't like him. But Newcastle will be determined to keep hold of him probably even more so following the departure of Eddie Howe. And let's see that they would even like to time down to a new contract. But there'll be plenty of other options. If, indeed, a left back or left side player comes in, they need to decide, you know, where does Dorgu play? Is it left back? Is it more advanced? Is Rashford going to stay, which is clearly a topic we've covered in the past and will continue to? And then, yeah, you know, you saw all the. And we talked about it. Didn't we in New York around Manu Kona and they've been linked to multiple different players? But I don't know that Manu Nite's are on a clear direction of travel around the midfielder right now. But clearly midfielder and left back are two of the areas of importance in this summer for Manu Nite's. And it's probably best to judge clubs like that at the end of the window because there's clearly some frustration building in the fan base rather than while it's still ongoing. There's plenty of time left yet. David, thank you very much. We'll let you get back to your bombahunting. We do just have time to bring back an old favourite from our World Cup podcasts. Do you know the quiz? Are you up for it? Of course. Okay, so here we go. And it is transfer focused. Simply say your name and then you can answer. Okay, so your name is your buzzer effectively. Okay, here we go. After Paul Pogba's World Record, 89 million pound transfer to Manchester United in 2016, which was mentioned earlier on by UJ. Do you know who was the next player to break the transfer record? Nema. Very good. He's just too quick. He was on the B of the bank straight in. Very good. 200 million pound. It was such a jump from Pogba up to Nema and look at the display. As soon as he said 2016, my head, my brain was trying to work out what the question was going to be as well. And he just beat me to it. He did. So, well done. You continued your good run on from the World Cup, which according to unofficial figures, you did actually win the World Cup. Do you know quiz? So double checking that though. We are going to fully ratify it. And on next episode, we will bring you up today with all the important details on that. Thank you very much, Jay. What a sour note, tender. Well, I'm going to continue to see him outside. Thank you to you, winner. Thank you very much. Well done. Don't forget you can keep up to date with all of the latest transfer developments right now on the athletic because there are quite a few transfers that can change at any moment, including that Vinicius Jr. Also, what's going on with Jenny and Fantino as the FIFA president big meeting going on there. We analysed that on the last episode if you want to check that one out. Do so. Thanks very much for being part of it. Don't forget to subscribe. And you can listen to us wherever you get your podcast. We're back tomorrow. Take it easy.