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So if you haven't tried QB yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Love It or Leave It, live from Hollywood. If you are seeing this on MSNOW, I'm John Lovett. I was a speechwriter for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and this is America's number one late-night political gay live comedy podcast, and technically, television show. Just by the skin of our teeth. And we've got a great show for you tonight, but first, let's get into it. What a week. Republicans held their first-ever midterm convention in Dallas, which got off to a strong start when one of the L's, the L's, in the word Dallas, immediately fell off the podium. By morning, Google had changed the spelling of Dallas on all of their maps. But not to worry, as things soon took a turn for the normal. Here's South Carolina Senator Tim Scott's speech. But Texas, we know who God is. We're talking about Jesus. I said the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, the Alpha and the Omega, and the beginning and the end. That's our God. That's America. We love our God. Again, this is an event about the midterms. Now, people can mock him, but this is exactly what you sound like right after you've had sex for the first time. Scott continued. The Democrats, extreme candidates, won't rip that heart out of our chest. They hate our culture. They hate what it means to be American. Hear me, Dallas. Not on our watch. I think it will actually be hard to explain to future generations that the goal of this speech is to keep the top marginal tax rate below 40% and prevent lowering the age of eligibility on public health insurance. Also, if you're going to do a speech where you scream your head off about Democrats destroying the United States, you can't have a mild-mannered cowboy standing beside you. It just is a strange contradiction. Now, later, a hype video at the event featured a thirst-trap photo of Twitch streamer Hasan Piker for no apparent reason. Away from Democrats in its own party. I am not going to be in the same party with Hasan Piker. It's easy to see how this happened. They were trying to illustrate how scary the left is, but for Republicans, scared and horny are interchangeable feelings. The highlight of this speech was Trump's hour-and-44-minute speech where he issued this pledge. Only I can make this promise to you, and here is my promise. If the Republicans win the House of Representatives and the United States Senate, both of them, because of our economic, tremendous economic success, I will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the United States of America for five years. $5,000. Only adult citizens? What a snub to everyone he met on Epstein's Island. Now, you liberals mock our president, but when you add the $5,000 fake midterm dividend to the $5,000 fake Doge dividend and the $2,000 fake tariff dividend, that's $12,000 fake dollars he's pretending to put in the pockets of every single American. Maybe you coastal elites should stop and think about what pretending to do is. $12,000 could mean to the typical American family. You're pretending to help pay for gas and groceries. You're pretending to help parents afford braces for their kids or to finally pay for that travel soccer league. Maybe Democrats aren't willing to pretend to care about these issues, but Trump is. One caveat. Giving every American adult five grand would cost over $1.3 trillion and require, obviously, the approval of Congress. But it is beneath us to explain why this is logistically challenging. A dividend such as this would roil an already fragile bond market. Don't worry, he's lying. It's like trying to explain to a Nigerian prince why he should work with a bank that doesn't require an advance to access his funds and the funds in his account should be more than enough to cover a line of credit. Good point. None of this is real. President Trump also used his remarks to go after Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Tallarico. And after claiming that Tallarico hates Christianity and loves transgender children, Trump said, I made this odd claim as well. He was also somebody that hated eating meat. But he ran a campaign to beat meat. He called it beat meat. I don't know what the hell he meant by that. These people are going to tell me what the hell is he. wants to beat meat? But it was bad for his image, so he started eating meat. It's weird for Republicans to be against beating meat when this whole event is one big Trump circle, Dirk. Love it or leave it. On MSNOW! On Friday, Trump stepped off of Air Force One in New Jersey with noticeably darker hair, prompting speculation as to whether Trump was kicking off his brunette era, a sudden extreme hair change. Oh my God. Did he and Natalie break up? During a 9-11 tribute at the White House, President Trump claimed that firefighters had rescued him during the recovery effort after the attack. We thought it was coming down on top of us and two firemen, big strong guys, and I'm not the smallest guy in the world, they grabbed me under the arm and said, got to get out of here. And they literally lifted me up. This is not easy to do. I'm big. They lifted me up and they started running with me. I said, fellas, I can run myself. But they were amazing. More like Lion 11. And sir, please, you don't have to exaggerate your involvement in the events of September 11th. You don't have to exaggerate your involvement in the events of September 11th. It was enough that you fought back against those hijackers on the plane. At least one former official has disputed that Trump played an active role in the recovery effort in lower Manhattan, telling the New York Times, quote, I spent many months there myself and I never witnessed him. Though it's possible this official simply didn't recognize that it was Trump since in those days he was blonde. Meanwhile, former New York City mayor and melted Home Depot skeleton Rudy Giuliani went on Newsmax to offer his thoughts about the city's current mayor attending the 9-11 rally. 9-11 memorial service. Should Mamdani skip the ceremony? What do you think? Well, there's no question he should. Having lost friends there and being very close to many of the families, it offends me that he's coming. In fairness, I think it probably makes Rudy feel a little sad and jealous to hear about anybody coming. We're on the same channel as Rachel fucking Maddow. Just to be clear, Zohran Mamdani was nine years old on 9-11, which makes him the youngest hijacker. Mondani confirmed that he would attend the memorial service without responding directly to Giuliani. "I'm proud to be the mayor of this city. I love this city, I love this country, and what I want this week to be a focus on is on the families whose loved ones were stolen from them 25 years ago in the horrific act of terror of September 11th, and a focus also on the first responders who gave everything they could to this city and to the people who came together to try and help their fellow New Yorkers." Now that sounds like something a decent, empathetic, patriotic mayor would say, but could it contain a hidden message? "What I want is September 11th." "I love September 11th." Oh my God. According to the Washington Post, recent financial disclosures reveal Trump gave his devoted aide Natalie Harp and two other staffers $45,000 a piece in cash gifts for the holidays. That's how they get you. First, you pay for the human printer. Then you have to keep coming back to pay for more human printer cartridges. Experts say the gifts may violate a federal statute against supplementing federal salaries from outside sources. "But I needed the money," said Natalie Harp, gazing up at a $45,000 oil painting of Donald Trump. In apocalypse news, Jacob Coxon, an AI researcher, resigned from his job at Anthropic on Tuesday, writing on social media, "The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the day." "I don't have to wear a sunscreen no more," Jacob Coxon, an anthropic team lead still at the company, then wrote, "Jacob is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans. I personally think it is greater than 10% within the next decade. Look, this is the cost of progress. Sure, there's a 10% chance of destroying all life on Earth, but the new iPhone folds, so it's a trade-off." "I don't have to wear sunscreen no more." "I don't have to wear sunscreen no more." "I don't have to wear sunscreen no more." "Could this technology create a disease that wipes out every last person? Sure, but it could also cure that disease in the nick of time. And so, do you not want the cure? Think about it. And this is getting real. Anthropics said in a report published Thursday that the company shut down the work of several scientists who may have been using its AI models to build biological weapons. Boy, almost enough to make you miss the days when the biggest problem we created was eating disorders. Am I right, said Mark Zuckerberg? Looking for and then not receiving a high five? Now, you might be asking yourself, if they think the risk is so great, why don't they stop? What a stupid question. Kelsey, one minute on the clock. Anthropic can't stop because OpenAI won't stop. And OpenAI can't stop because Anthropic won't stop. And Anthropic and OpenAI can't stop because Google and Meta won't stop. And America can't stop because China won't stop. And so, what should happen is an international negotiation on AI guardrails combined with an enforcement regime that bounds signatories. During this apparently limited window in which the risk is shared and we still have control over the technology and the frontier models, the ones proving formulas and terrifying executives, are still run by a few big organizations, combined with federal oversight of AI companies to prevent catastrophic harm and before the very bad harms like scams and cybercrimes and swarms of AI getting loose and trying to solve for declining water levels in Lake Mead by turning off all the ventilators in the state of Colorado. And while that regulatory regime is being built, these companies would agree to interim control so that the excuse of competition no longer justifies racing toward oblivion. While putting out releases with self-satisfied transparency let us know that, sadly, a few rogue agents escaped and are now in all the pacemakers. But of course this demands aggressive focus, thoughtful leadership, and as with the pandemic, this hinge point for humanity happened to hit the timeline when Donald Trump is president and when we're not allowed to use the best word we have to describe what he's like. But look on the bright side, the new iPhone folds. In less apocalyptic news, Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh on Tuesday blocked Missouri election officials from using a new congressional map backed by Trump that was redrawn to eliminate a Democratic seat. Classic Brett, knew I liked that guy. Brett, Brett, Brett. Come on MS now, Brett, Brett, Brett. Stop it. And so Missouri would have to use the old maps as required by a state Supreme Court decision authored by Judge Ginger Gooch. That's right, Ginger Gooch. The Honorable Ginger Gooch. I'll show them. I'll go to law school and become a judge. And then no one can make fun of my name, said a young, wrong Ginger Gooch. But then moments after Kavanaugh's ruling imposed the old map, a Trump-appointed district court judge kicked Missouri right in the Gooch and imposed the new map. And not to dwell, but Ginger Gooch is married to a man named Chad Munsey, which means she chose to keep the name Gooch. But that's our Ginger Gooch. She Gooches to the beat of her own Gooch. The chaos is over. The chaos came to an end on Thursday when the Supreme Court once again stepped in to block the new map. The original map will remain in place through the November election. Sorry, Missouri Republicans. As they say in the show-me state, better Gooch next time. The campaign of Democratic Congresswoman Marie Glusenkamp-Perez is selling tin nicotine pouch holders that say Marie Glusenkamp-Perez. This gives me an idea, said Delaware Senator Lisa Blunt Rochester. At a launch event on Wednesday. Apple unveiled the iPhone Duo, yes, the first foldable smartphone from the company. Starting at $2,000, the phone comes with an AI system that Apple's new CEO, John Ternus, is calling, quote, your intelligent personal hub. In a nod to Steve Jobs, Ternus added, oh, and one more thing, this will kill all humans. And last but not least, MMA fighter Cole Johnson said he was offered $500,000 to fight an actual chimp in a pay-per-view bout on the internet. On 9-11. Half a million is a lot, but his opponent's offer was bananas. The fight was proposed by Johnson, who claimed he could beat a chimp in a fight, while experts warned that he would in fact face mortal danger as an aggressive chimp might rip his face and hands and gooch right off. Now that's how you honor 9-11, said an excited Rudy Giuliani. And we've got a great show for you tonight. We'll be right back with former Congresswoman Katie Porter. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. 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We are very excited to have Nate Silver, Claire Malone, and Galen Druke from FiveThirtyEight back together to host Still Counting, a podcast where they dig into the numbers and the data and the betting markets to help separate what matters, what doesn't, and what data you can trust and what data you should ignore. So please, please, please subscribe to Still Counting. It is an excellent show and a great thing to add as you're trying to figure out and sort through a lot of noise this election season. Go to at Still Counting podcast and you'll find it. Just search for Still Counting wherever you listen or watch or collect content or, you know, wherever you give your life over to a small device made by oligarchs to keep you distracted from the end of the world. All right. My first guest used to read them to filth in Congress. Now she's just turning the page on a new chapter here to suffer through all my book puns. It's Katie Porter. Hi. Good to see you. Good to see you. Hi. All right. Welcome to the show. So has it been nice getting to catch up on your reading rather than having to campaign for governor? Yes. Like every aspect of my life is actually better. And that makes me really sad that like public service is actually that hard and campaigning is that hard. So yeah, every aspect of my life is better. yeah but you still would have preferred to win because i'm competitive as fuck yeah um so yes but i mean look like i also i really believe and you you know this from when i first ran like i ran because i wanted to make some laws i didn't run because i wanted to be elected like i did not come out of the womb in a navy blue jacket with like a little sticker that says vote for me i didn't really want to be elected i wanted to fix stuff so now i just need to rethink about how i can fix stuff from my job as a law professor which is something i did when i was a law professor last time so the research i did when i was a law professor a decade plus ago exposed the big banks for cheating people during the foreclosure process and helped hold them accountable and passed things like the homeowner bill of rights in california and helped bring about the national attorney general settlement and kept people in their homes and so i will find there's no short of time to think about how i can fix stuff from my job as a law professor which is something of corporate wrongdoers like i will find some other cheater and expose them i remember when i interviewed twice at the beginning of the campaign and towards the end of the campaign and i remember feeling like that because you were constantly getting asked about these stories from how you had treated staff and you'd apologize many times and addressed it many times but you're constantly being asked about it but i remember feeling like something's happening with you and i'm like i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that there's a part of you that's a little bit missing in this campaign like there's a ferocity that was something that was special about how you were in congress that you were kind of holding back and i wonder if you felt that and have thought about that i definitely thought about it i don't know so much that it was an intentional holding back it just when we're searching for somebody who has nothing interesting we just want to like the the most stable thing then that doesn't necessarily it's not a good fit for me like i am not for everybody um i am for the people like i am for democracy reform i am for campaign finance i am for like fossil fuels you know stopping us all from melting down like and so i think it was hard to articulate some of that in that very cabined environment um but i also will say like tom steyer coming in with billions of dollars and being like i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that being as saying whatever he felt like with no possible consequence it also really affected the race and those two things were intended to be and were at the same time right so part of he silenced me by leaking that video and part of that was then there was a lot of space for him and he used the space to his credit um so i also think the last part about it is i thought the governor's campaign really should be about policy i was very frustrated in congress that most of what we talked about boiled down to we suck less than trump which has the great virtue of being true okay which is not something you can always say we suck more we suck less than donald trump and i got frustrated in congress that it wasn't often about policy and so for governor i really wanted it to be about policy and i don't think that's what the election ended up being about at all at all about policy because i think if you look at the array of us you know i don't agree with antonio villaguerra about a lot of stuff but antonio had real policy ideas he had policy things he had done as mayor of la that did not speak to people right um i think the candidates who kind of came in eric swalwell initially then becerra these were probably the candidates with the fewest policies um and so that's not to speak to like good or bad or how someone's going to lead or any of that it's just to say that i wanted it to be a policy contest and there wasn't any app there was no follow-up question john so like to be spicy you have to have a little bit of a back and forth and i would say like i want to make tuition free and people would say but you know you were not nice once so that's a really tough and you know that's a really tough dynamic it was totally appropriate i was asked about it it was totally appropriate that i acknowledged it and apologized and gave some context to it like wholly appropriate but six debates in it it started to feel like we don't really want to talk about california's policy problems and what democrats should do about it we just want to sort of have some kind of like sieve and everybody who is a real human with real flaws falls through the holes and i was one of those people because i've always been a real human with real flaws and so you're you're saying that you just don't believe there was no way for you to get past that story and that and do you think that is and you and how much of that do you think is because you're a woman running for governor all of it i mean in other words all of it um i do not this morning i got a little notification that was like you were mentioned on tv and i thought to myself leave me alone that was literally my first thought like leave me alone like i have exited what do you want from me right and i got on and it was some cnn host spouting off about um amy klobuchar and how she wasn't nice to his staff for once and to me so instead of like i'm like klobuchar now klobuchar's like me and i'll be honest like i think amy klobuchar's really smart and really talented leader and i think she's going to make an amazing governor and i was like you know all of it because i said to someone like this whole likability did you read yesteryear i know we're going to talk books later but did you guys read yesteryear the number of people who are like the woman wasn't very likable and i'm like who cares like that isn't the point the point isn't to be likable it's to be competent it's to be thoughtful it's to be efficient it's to be fierce it's to be righteous it's like it doesn't mean you should go around being a jerk you shouldn't and we all fall short there is nobody who has not been a jerk at some point in their professional or personal life nobody but it shouldn't define all of who you are and i felt like i was reduced to that one moment what do you think about steve hilton so i actually so i actually think steve is one of the better republicans we've seen in california now low bar low bar on the floor but look hilton is putting ideas out there do i think outsourcing driving tests to like 7-eleven or whatever he's going to outsource them to driver safety is a good idea no i've got two teenage drivers but i think hilton like here's my point is it a good idea to reduce registration rates and to reduce registration rates and to reduce registration rates and to reduce fees to 73 i don't know i don't know but is it an idea like people pay 200 300 400 500 600 a year in registration fees like that is 500 or 400 or 200 back in your pocket if we reduce registration fees like it's an idea should we have no taxes on californians earning less than a hundred thousand dollars it's really hard to make ends meet if you're earning less than one hundred thousand dollars i thought that was actually an ideal worth debating so and we debated you and i yeah so i don't know that we have to embrace hilton's ideas per se to acknowledge that his presence in this race putting forth ideas is a good thing and look donald trump's no tax on tips as a matter of tax policy i'm taking tax law this semester for fun um like i'm auditing it let me tell you those students are pretty smart it's pretty hard in there i'm in the back row and i'm definitely kind of a backbencher but like is it a good idea to not tax tips we can debate that as a matter of tax policy but give it to donald trump it was an idea right this idea of of treating of paying people who are stay-at-home caregivers is that a good idea a bad idea at least it's an idea so my challenge to democrats is what do you have for ideas oh yeah no it's a huge problem they don't have a lot of i mean they have we're gonna hold trump accountable okay which is a great but we did that we did that we did that we did that right and we've tried it some candidates have talked about medicare for all which i think is a great idea but it's not exactly new right so even candidates who've run on more of a crisp platform and i would put like el sayed in this category money in your pocket because the tooth fairy's gonna put it there how how is that money gonna get to your pocket so i think this is i think people are going to sail through the midterms running on trump sucks i know i ran an 18 on trump sucks that is a winning midterm message because he is the sitting president and he does in fact suck all right easy message but this presidential is really going to be interesting because democrats must find a vision of a better america for all of us where people are going to be at risk of drifting back to the next republican in line and so if i'm a presidential candidate i am hiring the smartest policy people i can find forget going and giving hugs in south carolina gavin hug is very nice if you haven't had one easy on the eye it's very nice if you're a straight lady to get hugged by gavin but like policy idea like a vision of a better america yeah and i think that is where i'm seeing every democrat struggle yeah it is i would say it is a sort of a natural consequence uh like i was part of the uh 2007 2008 democratic primary and that was a policy debate about health care and And yes, Obama and Clinton were very aligned on policy, was it clearly was a really kind of debate about the direction of like the center left like what what it would mean to be a kind of whatever a progressive liberal but it was a lot of policy like i i to this day like i i remember how much time in the senate office then on that campaign we were thinking about different aspects of health care policy climate policy energy all the rest uh the lack of that the 2020 was a referendum on trump as was 2016 2024 we didn't have that primary because joe biden stayed in we are just due long overdue for a big raucous policy debate it's money but it's also because in congress the answer was always like we can't do that because it would cost money or we can't do that because we don't have the money but it's also a failure of imagination and this is i think part of what was animating in the california governor race like people were just like let's hang on to what we've got like we're hanging on by our fingernails and so let's just hang on um let's not try anything let's not take any risks let's not be bold but i think we're in a place where we have to i mean even if you look at international affairs like the old war like remember we had the war on you know communism then we had the war on terror whatever that was right what are we even doing like who are we trying to be on the world stage and that is a really important question for democrats to answer and even the decision to elect joe biden who i thought was a terrific president okay i really his policies the things he put forth in congress terrific and i wish congress had given him more of what he wanted i think it's i think he's he was sort of like the no time i didn't say he was a terrific political leader well what i was going to say is only that perfect president he was a little bit like that last bond movie and that like the first half was so good and the second half was so bad well because the second half was about what comes next right it was there shouldn't have been a sequel right it should have it should have been a sequel right and that was where the problem went but i mean you know joe biden even the ideas he was trotting out things like infrastructure really important but not answering some of these big questions we have coming forward so i mean when i hear democratic candidates say when i get elected i will put back your aca subsidies i'm like oh my god like the aca did not make health care more affordable it did not make now it may help some people but it didn't drive down the up too much of america's yeah it made health care affordable for a lot of people it did not it did not do what we would jokingly refer to as bending the cost curve yes yeah which is so that is that's the next task right so it isn't to take away from the aca it's to be additive right and the same thing i would say about you know the work of holding trump accountable is lovely but the bigger project is what should a democracy look like like trump has exposed all these fault lines in our democracy fix them so that no other scum can can go through them right because there's plenty more where trump came from you're bursting at the seams you you're you're bored at home with your books maybe all right now in honor of your new chapter we've asked katie to make book recommendations for people who really need them in a segment we're calling throw the book at them complimentary i'm not throwing anything at anybody no we're not we're not i don't do that no ever ever and shame on you no uh now i will read you a name and you will recommend a book you think this person really needs to read uh yes we are making assumptions about people but um sometimes you can judge a book by its cover you know you don't see a dragon knight having sex with a fairy queen on the cover of war and peace you know what i'm saying all right first up uh the democratic candidate for governor javier becerra so i brought my book bag and i i went and got physical copies so let me see what i have for javier okay for javier i have very timely the heat will kill you first this is the man who said we need chevron he said i need chevron we need chevron i need chevron to stop making it hot so this is a fabulous book jeff goodall he wrote a second book about water so if we don't burn to a crisp we're all gonna die in a flood um it's not the most up book right but it's not likable we it's not likable but we have to confront the reality of the world and we have to confront the reality of the world and we have to confront the reality that our status quo the democratic status quo on climate again way better than the republican status you know quo but the democratic status quo if we keep going where we've been going the heat will kill us first next up we have donald trump oh oh i have a good one for donald no david so if i had a little whiteboard here you know i would cross it off all right i wanted to face the library book because again i behave um no no david is a book about somebody who just needs to listen when they're told no i like that and it's at his level uh next up let's do uh um uh gavin newsom so for the governor i brought this book which is called dodge county inc um this is gavin's strength is that he knows a lot about policy in the west and the west is big and we have a lot of interesting policy problems but he's going to be spending a lot of time in a lot of other states this is a book set in minnesota and it is about big agriculture and the destruction of family farms even though that is now sadly pretty much complete and in the past i think this book really shows the effect that it had on the state of minnesota and the state of minnesota and the state of minnesota and the state of psyche of people in the midwest whether they were farmers or not sort of the arrival of big ag into the midwest and so dodge county inc finally do you have any book recommendations for john lovett yes i do so politics is really unfun right now so i brought you this town and country it is about a gay man who runs against a republican in a swing congressional seat so you can tell it's imaginary because there are almost none of those left anymore and i believe triumphs i'm only halfway through it you actually i'm not even halfway 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goal in life is to be the white gay larry wilmore but we've got someone even better from the daily show the nightly show and also this show it's larry wilmore thank you very much thank you hi hey how's it going good to have you back i know nice to be here a nice new set and everything yeah look at this look at this backstage is amazing over here yeah it's really nice yeah there's a ladder there you can set your drink down on uh now trump is having a totally normal midterm gathering of the juggalos in texas yes uh what have you thought of the festivities i think it's it's amazing to me i feel like the republicans heard that somebody said god was non-binary so they had to get together it's like this big emergency thing just to prove god has been with us for a long time and i think it's amazing that god has a penis i don't understand what's going on did you see tips and god has a penis jesus has a wee wee everybody has a wee it's so crazy it's like so when god birthed the universe apparently it was a cesarean because the only way it could happen i suppose you know it's crazy yeah it's uh the it's funny because maybe this is an inappropriate reaction but when i saw the tim scott speech where he's like the alpha and the omega you know and he's sort of doing this sort of deeply kind of sort of christian nationalist speech about america a little part of me was like i want to show this to some of the uh jews in michigan who are a little concerned about abdul and just be like hey guys listen listen let's just keep in mind that on one side is elon musk who's like she's like kind of engaging with uh uh bigoted accounts on on twitter that are like actually jews are technically semi-white and it's like and then you have this sort of christian nationalism down there in dallas uh uh which side do we want to really be on you know just what's let's just what's good for the jews yeah well i think it's more mega nationalist than christian nationalist like even christians are like what are they even talking about you know but it's all the adoration of trump and trumpism and this is his last shot you know that's why you know they're ramping it up i think even a whole notch he gets to crown like his successor or whatever so this is all celebration all this stuff it's just show for trump it's it's emperor play it's really what it is to me like um and jews will not replace this by the way you know just so you know no and i've always said that so kimmel in his monologue revealed that he couldn't interview talrico uh on the show so it will only go out on youtube because of uh i guess a threat from the fcc right uh and so to the way jimmy said it was something along the lines of that in order to avoid putting the affiliates in a bad position they're just going to put it on what was your reaction to that you know we're just in a different world right now where i mean the fcc is is going after people just for having interviews you know when the smothers brothers they had problems with the um with cbs i think it was at the time i mean they were talking you know about the war and vietnam and that sort of thing and the president of the united states was having issues with them you know also was coming down but it seemed like the the the subject matter was more it had more substance to it right now we're talking about just straightforward interviews there's not even anything controversial about what kim is doing so it's very it's this absurdist universe of censorship that i've never seen before and once again i think it's just to service trump it's not at the service of something else of of like um like if talrico's there telling secrets about the military that might harm our you know the military you know our soldiers or something like that you know or or making you know doing that type of material it's it's absurdist theater that we're living in now yeah it also it's it is so clearly for trump or to prove something to trump or to kind of perform for the right because if an interview with james talarico goes out on jimmy kimmel to his audience i don't know how much influence that would have that one interview would have in a texas senate race but a big national news cycle about talarico not being on kimmel and then a youtube that gets even more views because of this controversy uh is certainly not unhelpful to the talarico campaign the alternative being i guess that jimmy kimmel would have to invite ken paxton on which he should not be forced to do in order to please the fcc but let's say he did have ken paxton on i don't think ken paxton is well served by interviews with ken paxton which is why he does so few of them and is doing so little campaigning even trump says on the on the stage he's like uh he's not a great speaker he doesn't dress well he's not particularly good right oh but he's pretty good on some other stuff you know and so uh it's obviously not serving uh the interest that it would be you know it's not it doesn't seem to serve their political purpose so now uh you're somebody that keeps it 100 as you say thank you very much uh are there democrats out there in politics who you think are doing a good job of of being real right now that is a very good question the democrats a very difficult time of keeping it 100 that is you know meaning what they say and saying what they mean right um having both of those happen at the same time those are usually called gaffes right yeah yeah it was a kinsey gap there used to be a term called a kinsey gaff which is a gaff is when you accidentally tell the truth when you accidentally tell the truth right you mean what you say and you use the words that convey that meaning both of those things are true um i would say the closest is mondani mondani how do you say his name mondani yeah i think he's the closest to me like he's pretty close to me i think he's consistent like i haven't seen him be tripped up about something or hedge in something even if you agree or disagree he seems the most in terms of authentically and this is tough because you know you can run one way and then govern another right you know and usually you see people change because they have to present themselves to the audience in order to get votes right he's been pretty consistent on both sides of of everyone i've seen out there democrats not that he would be in the president he seems the most consistent in terms of keeping it 100 yeah it's i do think it's it speaks to it speaks to the problem we were talking about with katie porter earlier which is if you are looking for politicians who are like that right now you are more likely to find them on the left right right bernie sanders i think is like that uh mondani i would agree and what's interesting mondani is he has obviously tacked especially on issues like policing but when he talks about it i think he is sincerely talking about the choice to support the police commissioner that was already there the reason you have to get behind the police while before talking about reform so it's not to say he isn't sort of moderating politically on certain issues to achieve his more left agenda uh but no i agree he's trying to be sincere and represent what he's talking about he could be a little bullshitty on that issue because it's it's new york you can't mess around with that issue you know and you know some of the things that the left side of the party has said that might alienate them with the police i don't know if he's aligned himself so much in those areas so he's he's been able to steer clear of some of those traps i guess you could say in that arena but one lesson i took away from the kamala campaign and this is i think partly because of her but mostly i would say just the conditions in which she had to run right the less clear your worldview the harder every question becomes yeah that's true right and so you know being unable to figure out where she should be critical of the biden administration not having enough time to really chart her own policy agenda and path it turned every every all of a sudden she's hemmed in on every side and she's not able to figure out where she should be critical of the right no matter the question no matter the topic and so there's no question on which you feel like you can really let loose and say what you really think yeah and it does speak to the problem democrats have more broadly because i know what drives the left but i'm curious what you see is like sort of are there democrats who you feel like are you know the closest honestly i would say like chris murphy is someone who i think has a clear kind of ideology but it's not from the left right i think pete budaj is very careful but i i think he is sincerely thinking about how to shape an what do you think well the democrats they're very disappointing because they can never take yes for an answer you know they clearly have the advantage right now and they say you know what let's fight with each other you know let's let's not take that easy win let's pull each other down you know it's really surprising to me and no one's coming out and really leading with policy i mean katie was talking about this too policy and ideas um being forward thinking in that sort of thing you know i don't know why that is i would love to see that um the the um anti-trump thing has we have to get past that now because he's going to be gone he's not going to be a factor so we need some people out there leading with vision you really need somebody with vision right now who's not afraid to stand on their two feet maybe not as be popular right away but get followers you got to get those followers i was disappointed with the kamala campaign because to me her strength was when she was on that senate committee and she was her prosecutor self you know yeah that's her net she was to me that's her superpower is that and she was like man man and i was like yeah this is i love this but it seemed like once you get handlers around you and you're running for president everybody has a say and they got to stress test everything you've been around that stuff you know how it's amazing by the way obama made it through all that and somehow came out okay but he was shaking up a lot in the beginning he took a lot of like like shells coming in you know i remember but um he was able to keep us sense of himself and the the most special part of himself that inspirational visionary was able to get through that you know i don't know if kamala had that but she certainly had more substance than we were let in on and the ability to be a badass which i wanted the badass kamala i didn't want her trying to make me like her be friends i don't need to be your friend be a badass we got some mfs you know that we got to deal with right now and i need you to be a badass now larry you had a segment i love on the nightly show keep it 100 where you would challenge your guests to answer questions that actually make them squirm personally i'm squirming all the time it's a medical term for how why i sit in this chair this way uh uh this time around however we're both going to be put to the test in a segment we're calling it keep it 100 or leave it oh wow uh so you'll ask me a challenging question then i'll ask you one and we'll go back and forth until uh we're sort of very tense okay you want me to go first sure okay you wrote for both president obama and hillary clinton who's the bigger asshole So this is gonna be, I'm gonna say it quick. i'm gonna do as quick as possible okay neither one was ever an asshole okay okay however barack obama is so even right there was and uh even in sort of stressful circumstances that idea of like kind of obama as this level-headed guy that was true behind the scenes right and in public with hillary clinton there was definitely hard very frustrated moments where that would come out and actually i remember the first time one of those was directed at me i remember someone pulled me aside and said you're you're good like she you know trust you as someone that she could be really direct with even in like a really hard and stressful moment and so uh they neither one was ever an asshole okay okay but on this but just sort of to answer your question who would have been who would who could have at some point been a little harsher to me it was sure for sure yeah so she was a bigger dick see i i would not you know you don't use my words i do i don't have to use your way no i'm just kidding this is my show you kept it 100 that yeah thank you um all right let's see are you ever afraid to reveal more conservative views publicly for fear of a backlash that's a good question sometimes sure you know i've i've always been what i call center left for a while i was more center right i think in the 90s um i realized i was more center left because the issues that i care about the most some of the social issues i thought the left had the moral high ground on that so i just kind of naturally fell on that and a lot of those came out i think during during the odds but i have a lot of respect for conservative thought philosophical thought especially as well as liberal thought you know i've i've gone down both of those rabbit holes equally but you're not wrong sometimes yeah i've been shy about uh sometimes being as forthright on some issues on the right um than i have been on the left for sure because you're afraid that it'll alienate the people that you're talking to people well like you it's like sometimes why dig a hole if you don't have to and i have to i have to be mindful of the delivery system sometimes not every delivery system is the best way to express something like twitter is one of the worst you know so if i'm gonna say something thoughtful i want to be in the right environment to say it i can't i don't want to say it in an environment where you know the conversation is a mess that type of thing but sometimes you know you just do what you can you know but that's a great question yeah um well i hundred there i think if you gave us one example i feel like that's a 90 or an 80 uh i don't know if there's an example i'd say so some of the gender issues i don't even want to weigh in on because it's too much of a hotbed like why weigh in on that and i think most people are nuanced on that issue but people want to pick fights um the one time i spoke up i spoke up a couple times in the trans issue i think the most famous one is against milo uh yiannopoulos the guy um boomar and i was just making i i didn't like the way he was attacking trans people by using small examples there's always bad actors in every group and anytime you use bad actors to blame the whole group i just think that's wrong and i think the whole trans uh arguments you know are just filled with too much emotions of people wanting to fight on it so i just don't weigh in a lot you know but i have a lot of people who are just like i think there's a lot of empathy and sympathy for that movement i think it's 100 uh and thank you and oh i also uh one last question so you're uh uh executive producer on a show called reasonable down uh just do you think that this is uh this lindsey cancel lindsey clancy trial drawing more attention wow to what no i just find that fascinating that trial yeah now there's an issue that divides people in an interesting way those are the things that interest to me too because it's not political it's divided it's a cultural divide a little bit of gender maybe but intra-gender women against women in some cases but i mean what an interesting case i feel like it's going to be one of these huge cases years from now we're going to look back and something's gonna the world's going to be a little different i think after this case than before um it feels like one of those types of i'm fascinated by that case um well reasonable doubt season four is on hulu in october and you go to at larry wilmore on instagram for your live dates because you're doing stand-up yes uh and magic too and magic stand-up and magic we'll be right back hey don't go anywhere there's more of love it or leave it coming up right now the midterms are the biggest story in american politics but however they go the democratic party is going to have to do some serious soul searching join us washington dc november 5th through 7th the second annual annual CrookedCon. It's going to be the Positive America hosts and some of the smartest people in politics. We're going to try to answer some big questions. Stuff like, if we won, how did we win? If we lost, how could we possibly have lost? And with 2028 around the corner, where do we go from here? If you believe in democracy, community, and fighting for the future, now's the time to grab your tickets to CrookedCon 2026. Head to crookedcon.com to get your tickets now. Okay, we've been talking about QP Mail for a minute now, Bow, and wow, the feedback we're getting. You're stopping us in the street going, I love QP. And if you're thinking, wait, what is QP? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise, the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. Once you know it, seeing it everywhere. QP is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Chefs use it. Restaurants use it. Whatever you're eating, QP it. So if you haven't tried QP yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand QP, the original Japanese mayonnaise. And we're back. First of all, let's welcome Katie back to the stage. They say there's a time for every season, a time to laugh and a time to cry. Tonight, it's time to rant because it's time for the rant wheel. Larry and Katie, the wheel will turn. The wheel will land on one of our faces. We will have 60 seconds on the clock to rant about the topic of your choosing. Are you ready? This format really suits me. Yes, I think it does too. All right, let's spin the wheel. Katie, what would you like to rant about? I would like to rant about the billionaire's tax in California. Billionaires get to be rich their whole lives, and yet all we can come up with is a one-time tax. And what are we going to do with the money? We're going to give it all to the same healthcare conglomerates that have been with us for a bunch of years. I believe in progressive taxation. I think the wealthy should pay more. I think wealth inequality and income inequality are serious, maybe the most serious problems holding back the American economy. And if I'm going to impose a billionaire's tax, then I want some real shit for it. I want free childcare. I want free college. I want to deal, I want a full electrification of our economy. I don't just want to take it and keep the current corrupt, broken, busted healthcare system afloat for a whopping another month or two. And meanwhile, all the billionaires flee to wherever they park their yachts offshore. So yes to taxing billionaires, but let's not do such a piss-poor job of it. I agree with that. I agree with that. So people in California, if you're in California or outside of California, there is a ballot measure that is going to impose a one-time billionaire's tax, and that would be used to deal with some of the shortfalls in our healthcare system. A very easy thing to demagogue, which has been happening on it, because if you oppose it, oh, you'd oppose taxing the billionaires, but it is an incredible, like, it is a stupid policy to do a one-time tax, as if we've, like, fixed all of California's problems. We just need a little bit to make up the difference. No, we have all the same problems yesterday as we're going to have tomorrow. We're just going to grab some cash one time. And it's like, oh, you oppose this? Why? Because you're a neolib shill? Well, maybe a little. No, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just bad. It's just bad policy and it does nothing to address the problem. So I'm glad you said that. Thank you for saying that. Let's spin it again. Larry, what do you got? Yeah, it's three of us. The wheel serves no purpose. We've never cracked the fucking wheel. Why is there a wheel? We just, there's three of us. We're going to go in order. It's the same order every time. Oh, I remember the old wheel with so many possibilities. Okay. I'm going to talk about Trump. Okay. Cause I think we have to speak about him more honestly. We have to stop calling him a fascist, racist, sexist, all these things. And by the way, this is a non-political statement. That's very nonpartisan. You know, I think we've been divided enough. So I want to just speak directly even to the people that support him. Trump is stupid. You guys, he's stupid. Let's just say that. That's what he is. He's just dumb. That's what we're in trouble about. There's nobody upstairs anymore. There's no one. If someone was there, there's just a crazy squatter. Living up there. We have to deal with this problem. He's not a fascist. He's not smart enough to be a fascist. He's not, he's not clever enough to be a racist, maybe a lazy racist. at the most. Which president wasn't a sexist? Please, tell me the one. So we have to use the right words with Trump. We have a stupid person in Lake America. No, take his crayons away. It's Lake Ontario. Stop doing that. You know, we're, this is like you know, with Biden, it was Weekend at Bernie's, you know, a little bit of that or whatever. But now we're dealing with a bigger problem. A dum-dum. Let's just be honest. Be honest. Dum-dum Donald. I just want us to be honest. Let's, I agree with that. What I was thinking is, okay, there's a squatter in his brain. What's in the squatter's brain? Let's spin it again. Here's what I would like to rant about. I was at the Minnesota State Fair this weekend and I had a lovely time, but there was something that I noticed there that I hadn't yet observed and I do think it's something we need to begin talking about, which is what I would call the SUV vacation of strollers. There was a time when you would see kids in strollers where there would be kind of a double stroller, kind of a you know, a double wide, and you'd have two kids side by side. Occasionally you'd have the kind of, I don't know, interesting arrangements. The kids would be face to face. These are kids being moved around in cargo shipping boxes. They're taking up half the causeway. It's a crowded state fair. I got a pronto pup in one hand. I'm trying to move navigate and you got like basically traffic like you're at the fucking port of Long Beach because you have these giant ships moving through the lanes. What has happened? And then by the way, like fine, you got four kids. You got four kids in this fucking thing. Sometimes there's just one kid in there and he's like he's flying JetBlue Mint. It's like, and also we're at the fair. Walk around. I don't know what's going on with these big giant things. Do people know about these big giant things? The kids are being moved around in and that's the rant wheel. Yeah. One more time for Katie Porter. And we'll be right back. And we're back. Now it's time for a segment we call Second Thoughts. This is where we run through the places where I've made mistakes throughout the episode and where the producers have given me questions or topics about which I might express some mistakes. First of all, I joked about Tim Scott having sex when the producers believe Tim Scott is perhaps still a virgin. I said circle jerk on MS Now. I did a 9-11 pun. Lion 11. I made us all think about Rudy Giuliani. And I have to wear sunscreen still. I know that. And I know that. And I especially, you know, I'm especially with a retinol, but even still have to do the sunscreen every day. And I let us in a chant for Brett Kavanaugh. Probably a mistake. Larry, thank you so much for being here. This was a blast. Thank you to Katie Porter. There are 53 days until the midterms and we will be back next week with Jaleel White and Miss Pat. Have a great weekend, everybody. Love It or Leave It is a Crooked Media production. Our show is produced by Kendra James, Bill McGrath, Kelsey Gante, and me, John Lovett. 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