One Deadly Twist - St. Albans, Vermont

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That's great pride when he does nail one, so that said, I think it's time everybody to sit back. What do you say here? Let's all clear the lungs. There we go. Arms to the sky and let's all shout shout up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip. Shall we? Yeah. Let's do it. We're going to Vermont this week. We're in New Hampshire for the express last week, so we're sticking up in the, the foresty region over here in the maple syrup region of America here. This is St. Albans Vermont, ALBA NS, which made it extremely confusing because there is a St. Albans, the town, and then there's St. Albans city, they call it, which is just picture if you had a dollar bill, that's St. Albans town, okay? Now, picture if you put a nickel in the middle of the dollar bill, that would be St. Albans city. It's very confusing and I had to find out the address of where this happened to find out which part of St. Albans it was in its mess, so it was a really hard thing to do here. This is in northwestern Vermont, it's all up by Canada, it's up there, about an hour and a half to Montreal, so pretty cool, right there. Right there, about a half hour to Burlington, Vermont, and about two and a half hours to our last Vermont episode, which was Graffton, Vermont, episode 642, exactly 50 episodes ago. That was called the Murder Blame game, that was when these guys killed someone and then showed back up at the scene of the crime to do something else with the body and there was already police there and already already a crime scene set up. Perfect. And then they had to blame each other because they didn't know what to do. That was a fun one. This is in Franklin County, area code 802, population here, 6,866, and I think that's in all of the St. Albans town and city, I think that's all together. Median household income here is low, normally rest of the country, it's about 69,000 here, 49,063 dollars, not great, that is, that's scraping, nothing cost shit up there though. Well, median home costs, 298,100 bucks. What? Yeah. That's a rough living. That's tough. That's a rough going there. Nickname of this town, the railroad city of Vermont. Make of that what it is. I don't talk about where that came from, a little bit of history. It was named after St. Albans, England, which is in Hurtfordshire, Hurtfordshire. It was first settled during the revolution by Jesse Weldon, the war delayed further settlement, but then after the Revolutionary War, people started showing up from around New England because they had rich soil, good for cultivation and cold, cold as fuck, also they raised cattle, horses and sheep, a lot of butter and cheese came out of this area, tons of butter and cheese. I know Vermont still does a lot of cheese. Yeah, they love cheese. Yeah. I love their cheese. Yeah. St. Albans also became known as the rail city because it was home to a major depot, Operation Center and a repair shop for Vermont and Canada railroads. This is kind of like a hub for them. And the repairs. That's yep. The northernmost battle of the Civil War was here. Well, engagement. There wasn't a full on battle, but it was known as the St. Albans raid and it was in 1864. In 1902, they finally incorporated the city of St. Albans, which is two square miles inside of the town of St. Albans. Today it's a big, people like to go there to see the old school houses. They have Victorian and craftsmen houses there and all that kind of thing. So, you know, it's a big deal and a lot of trains still pass through here. Also home was for a minute here, home to the Vermont voltage. What is that? What is that? What is that? It's a semi-professional men's soccer team. Oh, soccer team. All the way up there. They folded in 2014 unsurprisingly. So that said, reviews of this town, we've never been here. We know nothing about it. No. So let's check it out. It only has 3.2 stars on niche. That's not great. The whole place. The whole place. And there's zero five star reviews, which is really. Yeah. People like it, but not that much. They like it. Nobody loves it. They're just going to be friends though. Yeah. I like you, but not that way. Here's four stars. Overall, a very quiet town. I assume they mean quiet, quiet, quiet town, well known for maple syrup. No shit. Not a whole lot to do unless you're willing to drive to the bigger cities, you know, like Burlington, where all the action goes on. The trees and mountains are beautiful in the fall, great snowboarding and skiing locations. I believe that, as you would imagine, 3 stars, it needs a lot of work. They're judging it like it's like an 84 Toyota Celica. They're like, I mean, yeah, it's a good price, but it needs a lot of work. AC blows warm. Yeah. It blows warm. It's, yeah, it's got a, it's got a problem there in the wheel well. It needs a recharge, but the compressor doesn't take the new gas. It's not doing it. I believe the city and town need a bigger police force with a greater presence to help reduce the drug-related crime in the area. Yeah, they have a, it's maple syrup-flavored fentanyl is a big deal here. They really will fuck shit up. Due to a lack of police presence, drug deals take place out in the open with little discretion. Just wavin bags a powder around, and the people involved can be very threatening to those around. Yeah. Yeah. Drug dealer. Drug dealer. Drug users. Here's one star. St. Albans city school is the all caps worst school ever. That's right. Re-exclamation points. Now, you'd imagine this is probably from like an eighth grader. Yeah. Or something. No, this is an adult who wrote that. It's apparent. A parent. My children were bullied. My child with a learning disability was ignored. Parents illegally parked in the no parking zones and entered the building unsafely through the classroom emergency exit doors for years. Parents illegally parked in the front of the no parking zones, blocking the entire road causing illegal, wrong way driving, forcing homeowners off the road into other homeowners lawns. Okay. They're making it sound like it's like a police chase from a 70's, like the Blues Brothers police chase. This is ridiculous. Every day, 738 is bedlam, but just people on the lawns, people diving out of their own lawn chairs to get out of the way of cars that are barreling at them from the street. Wow. This is crazy. And so they're driving onto lawns so to avoid being struck by aggressive, wrong way drivers. They don't have a resource officer at the school, direct and traffic. I'm going to go just by the histrionics of the worst school ever. I think this person is just, I think they're a little much. They're the person yelling at people for where they park. And it's like, shut up. Just shut up and get your kid in the home. Yeah, worry about you and your kid. Yeah, worry about, worry about your kid being bullied and your kid with a learning disability ignored because you were done with that in the first two sentences and onto all the parking violations, the egregious parking that goes on here. Things to do, the Vermont Maple Festival takes place here. I wonder how many of those there are. A new event this year, the poetry contest. Oh, contest. If you write poetry about Maple Syrup, this is the, this is the festival. Fuck is judging that. Oh, no, there's a best maple menu contest. A creative chainsaw art exhibit. A pancake breakfast. That seems like it's all the same. A sappy art show. It's called, like, sappy maple scent. A kid's entertainment zone, which we'll talk about. Opening ceremonies, information booth. Main Street stage, which we'll get to. Maple beverage tasting. St. Albans Museum, the Fiddler's Variety show. A maple cooking contest. Oh. A maple syrup contest. But isn't it the cooking contest? Nope. This is, who makes the best maple syrup? This is other, it's making maple flavored things. It's got a picture of a cake up there. The maple ambassador contest. Wow. Contest. Contest and the youth talent show. For entertainment, this is the kids' entertainment here. We have Rock and Ron, the friendly pirate. Get away from my kids. Who looks like the wiggles when they do that shit. That's the back of the day. And then Pipsqueak, the clown in Taylor Park. This looks to be a middle-aged woman who's a clown. For whatever that's worth. And also Jason Tarty Productions. What is that? I don't know if he's a little late or a little slow, but he's something here. Oh, enough 10 minutes late. Says he's a multi-faceted performer who uses his strength. He juggles three 10-pound bowling balls. Intelligence skipped a year of high school and was valedictorian. And endurance. Two-time 100-mile ultramarathon finisher. And skill. He has no social life, so he practices a lot. To create a crazy high-energy comedy and juggling show like you've never seen before. Yeah. You know, annoying. Smarter than your average sophomore, though, James. Yeah. You know, he wears one of those headset Bobby Brown deals till he does it. Yeah, the asshole microphone. This hilarious show includes innovative choreographed juggling to upbeat music, fitting his body through a tennis racket, balancing a ladder on his face, standing on a yoga ball. And if you trust him enough, fire eating and fire breathing. Right. I would like to see him eat fire for real. I trust him to eat it. I'm not eating it. So what the hell do I got to trust him for? Stick it all the way down. I don't care. Go nuts for him. That's a lot of gas for us. Make sure you got to really coat the esophagus with gas before the store. That said, let's talk about some murder, shall we? All right. This is a crazy, crazy, crazy story that will end up. Not at all where you think it's going to end up. Uh-oh. It's one of those weird ones that's just only small tumour to express here. Okay, this, we have to start in 2013. So not very long ago. I mean, everything's basically the same, you have the same, same phone in your pocket, different operating system. You're on Instagram, you're on Facebook. It's just maybe TikTok doesn't exist. Other than that, same world. Matthew Webster, let's talk about. Goes by Matt. Old Matt Webster. Matti Web Web. He's born August 7, 1983. Now, yeah, pretty young at this point, it's 30 years old in 2013. Long history of mental health and drug problems, which is a bad combination. Yeah, you can't, no, you can't treat that with that. A lot of times people have mental health problems. They self-medicate and then that just makes it worse. You can't use the schizophrenia with cocaine. No, it doesn't work. It does make it worse for Christ's sake. I have a lot of things. Now, he's got a wife as of 2013 named Danielle. And she's a big part of this. We'll talk about it. And they live in Swanton, which is about 15 minutes outside of St. Albans. Okay. Now, he's got some issues. He's being treated for depression, Matt is, and chronic anxiety, among as his wife put it in a court filing, quote, so many other things, so many other, so many. Those are just tip of the iceberg. But he's got a lot below the surface of the water here. There's the two big ones that most people are treated for. He's got a lot more. He abused prescription medication, including oxycodone and methadone, also clonipin, which he also gets as well, which is anxiety medication. And the methadone's got to be for an opiate addiction there. And then oxycodone is for, you know, quote, continue the management. But it's just going to basically continue. Yeah, and that's the problem when I hear a lot always as methadone. Methadone's one of those things where it's like it's to manage for the most part. Like if someone's a junkie and they're about to die and they're in the streets and they're shooting up all the time, and the veins are fucking grotted out and all that, you put that person on methadone because they're never going to get off the methadone probably, but they're going to be better than sleeping in an alley. Standing up on the bus, yeah. But for most people, it just kind of keeps, it lets them like kind of stabilize so they can kind of get their shit together to make another, another run, another run of being a junkie is the problem. It's a tough thing. And a lot of, most people on methadone too tend to chip on the side. Yeah. They'll get their methadone, but then they get, they get pills, they get a heroin, they chip on the side. They do a little bit. That's how a lot of the things work. Another one that's like that, but it's just a dissolvable that goes under your tongue, and it kind of, it's, it's a similar thing. But yeah, that's, I mean, a lot of the guys that are on that shit are still, yeah, doing it. They're, they definitely chip. Now he snorts his pills also, which will make him, you know, shows you a little more into him. His wife Danielle also said that he deals with pancreatitis, chronic anxiety, high blood pressure as well, and said that her husband's family members, Matt's family members have a history of suicide attempts, and that Matt has talked about committing suicide and has, quote, gotten prepared for it, as he put it. So that's what's going on here. When he got prepared for it, did he financially get prepared for it or just, he's just ready for, yeah, mentally knowing that this is going to go down at some point. Oh boy. Now Matt's wife said he would leave his guns out and research ways to commit suicide online. I mean, he did that for years, but it's been a few years since that issue came up. So from, in terms of 2013, he hadn't really brought up suicide in a while. He hasn't really been that suicidal, but years, well, gun owner. Perfect. Guns, uh, and he'd lay him out, which is perfect here. Yeah. And also he's on a bunch of drugs, which is what I really want. People say, have as many guns as possible. Well, they're, well, they're fucked up in paranoid and I have anxiety. That's excellent depression. Yeah. That's rough. I'm going to hurt himself. Now, 2012, there was an incident. A Vermont state police person here accused Matt of negligent operation following a car wreck in Swanton. He tried to pass a line of three cars and overtook two of them, but then crashed into the third. Yeah. Not good. Um, no one was injured and he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor careless and negligent operation and was sentenced to serve. This is a, this is a deterrent, two to three days in jail with a recommendation for that he would be on a work crew for those two to three days. Anyway, so that I hate those roads where there's like several cars and you got to pass them and you got to pass all of them because they're not just, you can't just one at a time. You got to get them all. You got to have a long gap of nobody coming the other way. It's, that is horrifying. That's, yeah, that sucks. That's horrifying. Yeah. This guy, um, he clipped the third car he was trying to pass apparently. Was there a car coming that we don't know? We don't know that. Yeah. You just got in a little early. They didn't, they didn't drop a schematic for me. Unfortunately, I wish they did. Hey, everybody out there police forces people like that drop a schematic for me. It would help these cases a lot. You could really get. Let me know a lot of you. How much time he had before he got across that third one. If you could just start sending that shit directly to me also, that would be great. Just do research and shut up and get me back. And just send it to the research directly. And we'll be okay. So yeah, well, look, yeah, if you need it privately, no problem. Yeah. So September 25th, 2013, he just turned 30 and, um, things are coming to a head with Danielle. Matt and Danielle and it's not good at home. Well, it's not good at home. Yeah. Um, apparently the problem is he's been cheating for the last year with a woman. It's a man's world. And she's pissed off about it. Yeah. This guy is snorting pills. He's got every problem in the world. This pancreas is rotten out, and there's more than one chick will in the fucking. Isn't that amazing? He loses, he loses count of cars at three James We say it all the time and we need to reiterate it if you're a guy out there And you can't find a woman. Don't get mad at them. It's not their fault. This guy's getting late This guy's getting laid that means you have no game because this guy's getting laid You should be able to go too high. Yeah, something's not right. Just you got to recalibrate at some point You should be able to go hey, I don't snort pills and some check will be like all right Well, yeah, that's a that's a plus my last boyfriend started pills. Let's talk about So this I guess he's been having an affair for about a year and Danielle has been aware of the affair for about nine months Which seems very dangerous He had made assurances to Danielle that he would end his relationship with the other woman But guess what he didn't he said it's over. It's over But then she catch him and catch him again Now today on September 25th 2013 a fight begins with Danielle During a telephone call that Matt made to Danielle as he was driving to meet the other woman Now she knows where he's going. He's saying he's going to meet her to end it forever Okay, this is it. It's over right now. So this is where I'm going and it's gonna be over after this now They're fighting while he's doing this while he's driving there so he went to this woman's apartment and Matt picks her up and dry out drives her to a parking area nearby that they could talk Not in the apartment, but away from there a little Because he wanted to get out of sight because Danielle was threatening to come to this woman's apartment and talk to her herself Oh my god, so he said we need to drive away from the apartment To a spot of privacy over here. Did you say they have kids? I'm not I have can't find no kids that they have but that's possibly but let's hope not Yeah, let's hope there's no like kids waiting at home. All this is going on because this is ridiculous. Yeah, so Anyway, um While he's talking to his paramour here and ending it a stensibly ending it His wife is calling him several times. She just keeps calling on the cell phone. Yeah blown up the phone yelling at him and Threatening basically what's taking so long? You should have told her bitch. You're dumped and then dropped her ass back off and kicked her out of your truck cab She's even gotten in your truck. That's yeah, so she's yelling at him and she's threatening to quote kick the other woman's ass I'll kick her fuck I'll come over there and kick her goddamn ass and show her what's up Kick his ass That's the problem to get the wrong ass lady. Yeah, that's the fucking problem. Uh, you're you're mad at the wrong person. Yeah, so eventually After this goes on and he ends it with her and now he's ending it with her which this is he has made this bet Delayon oh boy. He's made the bet. I mean there's no one. It's his it's his he has caused all this but At this moment in time I don't I I feel for him that I feel for him, but I wouldn't want to be him put it that way There it is. I don't envy him. I don't envy him. That's what it is to be in trying to break up with one woman Well, another yells at you and calls you on the phone all the time would be a horrible vice grip to be put in But he's caught it's a hundred percent his vault. Yeah, and they're not wrong. He climbed in it with shoes full of gravel and took them off He caught yeah, he ate a whole sleeve of rits in here and now he's wondering why he's itchy and it's like listen cat, uh, you know Brother, you are gonna be itchy for a while. You let the cats piss in your bed, bud. Yeah, it's gonna be wet and stinky So he eventually drops the other woman off at her apartment. Yeah as he does this he noticed that Danielle is parked nearby She's here. She has come to the apartment and has parked nearby now I don't know if she was parking to see if they were gonna have a kiss goodbye or whatever the fuck, but She does it now and he noticed he sees her there. Oh, yeah. No, he sees her for sure and They leave the apartment now. He's in one car. She's in another Danielle's behind him and they pull into a gas station on Main Street in St. Albin's to to hash this out. Okay So they pull in They get out she says she's angry. She's pissed off at him. He's an asshole and she's sick of this whole situation Which she absolutely should she should have dumped him here. He's a A drug addict fucking You know, he's having problems and he's having affairs. It's like it's one thing stand by your partner They're having some problems, but then once they start fucking around you go see you later Don't have to deal anymore Have fun. She's cheating is one thing, but he's holding a whole last He's got a whole relationship call. Yeah, this is he's got a second thing happening This isn't just he went out to a bar one night when he was on the road during a sales conference and Banked some chick from Chattanooga. That's not what's going on here. This is a totally different story And she got out of the car to tell him that she's angry. He should have known that By the fact that she's fucking here that she's at the place. Yeah with both hands on the wheel that's elbas locked He that's This is the the stance of a pissed off woman right here And present she's here So I love how the court documents put it during this conversation Conversation is a very conversation. What's the difference? I really love sometimes how court documents put things they're so just like plain language and frank It's very funny during their conversation. She apparently took off her wedding rings As she does About once a month during our she takes off her rings. I'm done with this throws him at him. He picks him up. She puts him back on later Now they she wanted to continue this again from the court documents although his wife wanted to continue talking Matthew wanted to go to his father's house Let's read between the lines on that one She wanted to keep yelling at him and he said I don't want to hear it anymore She wanted to keep talking at an elevated volume without the gas station Outside right near pump four. This is a mess Without interruption Yep So he jumps in his car and says I'm not doing this anymore once again by the way He's earned all of this. This is unbelievable. He's earned every bit of iron acrimony here All of it you don't get to decide when this conversation's over. You know You are gonna. Yeah, she didn't get to decide when your affair was over So you don't get to decide when her being pissed off is over. Yeah So he jumps in his truck and takes off on on main street driving north at a high rate of speed just guns it out of main street And we know he likes to go around stuffy. He's not one to wait in traffic His wife run her rate. Yep, so then she goes gets in her car. Oh Follows him. Okay, car chase now. She's a little bit behind him because he jumped in and took off real fast So she had to wait for a couple cars to go. So she's back a little bit. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about a red light That's about to happen actually At the intersection of Main Street and Lower Newton Road in downtown St. Alban City in parentheses That's what that is he runs a red light. Okay. He's about to run a red light now at the same time a car Coming the other way is trying to turn left onto main street from Lower Newton So he's about to blow a red light into someone turning left. Yeah, which would be a just pound him in the driver's door And could kill people. I've been in a car. I don't like that. It's sucked. I think they're turning left and he's coming this way So I think it's one of those Oh, they're going around him left. No, yeah, they're coming from here and turning left. He's coming up. Oh Got it. Got it. Yeah, which is I got hit in a driver's side by a minivan when I was like 18 and I ended up My whole driver seat was on top of the passenger seat next to me. So that was is a tough one So the other car is being driven by Anna Alger and her fiance as well as in the car with her She and his driving her fiance is in the passenger seat Now Anna Alger's born November 13th, 1981 She's from St. Albans parents are Lloyd Thompson and Rebecca Alger and She graduated in 2000 From Mrs. Mrs. Quiete Valley Union High School, which is the same high school math math graduated from They went to the same high school and they're like a year and a half apart. Yeah, but they they were definitely there at the same time for a while But they don't know each other Okay, now she's a licensed nurses aid Anna is and worked for several years and various nursing homes including the holiday house the Haven healthcare and the Redstone Villa all in the area of St. Albans She also worked at the Birchwood Terrace Healthcare Center in Burlington and for the past three years She's been with peerless clothing and in earlier years was employed by price chopper So she does nurses aid stuff and then you know works whatever job she needs sure She has a daughter as well, but the daughter is not in the car But her fiance Patrick Daly is in the car in the passenger seat Now back to the intersection because we kind of paused as we kind of froze time there now She is able to avoid the collision good. She's able to slam on her brakes and he makes you know, he kind of goes around her And again from a court document. She made a gesture of Aaron to stain at him with her middle finger. Oh, yeah She gave the she gave Aaron It's a great way to put that, but okay. - I didn't know that was what we call it. - Me neither, but that's why I love a court document. - Yeah. - They could have just said she gave him the finger. We'd all know what that meant. - She gave him the universal go fuck yourself finger. - Yeah. - Now this is fucking amazing. Okay, this is, wow. This is again from the court document, okay. Matt's wife saw Matt run the red light and called him to tell him about it. Like he didn't call him to tell him about it. Like he didn't know. Like he had something hanging off the bumpers. I'm shit. - And off a big hurry to get away from me, aren't you? You just ran a red light. - Called him to yell at him and he didn't answer the phone. - Yeah. - Okay. Now shortly after passing through the intersection where he almost killed a woman and man and then they gave him the finger, he pulls his car to the side of the road and stops. This is around 248 North Main Street around the address. It's right in front of a Domino's pizza that's still there. - Really? - Yeah. Now Anna Alger, rather than turning left, changed her direction to follow this guy. - She made a you turn for a conversation too? - Well she just made her right 'cause she was coming to make a left. She would have just turned left. - Well she was going that left. - Was she going against him left? You know what I'm saying? - She's coming, I don't know how to explain this. He's going this way. - He's going east, she's going north. - She's going right, I get it. - He's going north, she's going, let's say west. She goes to turn where he was going to hit her this way. Now instead of turning left, she turns right where he went and followed him. - Okay, so he ran the shit out of that light. It was wet. - Oh, it was just a red light. It wasn't like turning right. It was a red light. He just wasn't paying attention to it at all. - Cross traffic. - Yeah, so she pulls in behind him and also stops, all right? Now he's in the car and what he's doing is sitting with a loaded nine millimeter on his lap about to blow his brains out. According to him. - Holy. - So she gets out of her car and walks toward him. Anna does. - Yeah. - The wife is still on her way. Still in route. - Still hasn't caught up. - She hasn't caught up yet. Danielle. Now Anna gets out of her car and walks toward him. He gets out of his car and walks toward her. As she's walking toward him, Anna waved her arms, pointed at him and yelled, I think I would have looked, I think I like Anna said, quote, "What kind of a piece of shit do you think you are?" Which is a, that's such a great question to ask in traffic. It just really is. What kind of a piece of shit do you think you are? Is a phenomenal. - She makes so many. - It's awesome. - She's so flustered. She almost got killed by this guy. - Yeah. - Fuck is your problem. You dick fart. Like she wouldn't even know what to call him. You know what I mean? Like that's how angry and flustered you are. - She was going to kind of piece a shit move with that. But then she's like, this guy's a piece of shit. Kind of piece of shit you think you are. - That's the, a person is just, they've had it with you when they say that. Now she gets in with about six feet of him. - No. - They're very close to each other. He just raises his pistol and fires 11 shots in her face. - 11. - 11, empties his gun. Just empties his clip into a knife in the mirror. - What the fuck? - Well, that's how many he had in there. Open fire, firing 11 shots completely emptying the clip. She's hit. We're not sure if it's seven or eight times. - Oh, I mean, he's a piece of shit shot. - Yeah. He then puts another clip into the pistol. - Oh my God. - Well, Anna's fiance is getting out of the car. - Oh my God. - He points the gun at Anna's fiance and the gun jams. He tries to shoot him, but it won't go. Won't fire. - Brand new mag and it won't fire. - Won't fire. - Yeah. So this guy's, this fiance was about to get killed. - Luckiest man on the planet. - Yeah. So he then, Matt turns and runs away. Starts running up the, just up the street, just taking off, right? He's running away. And as he runs away, the fiance, someone's helped from a passer by and they check on Anna. She's already dead. - If there's, you know, you're not making it. - She's been shot seven or eight times in the head and neck. - Oh my God. - From a distance of six feet and closer. This is. - That's unbelievable. - That's wild. Now the wounds are at least seven bullets, some striking her as she fell to the ground. They said any of the shots could have been fatal. Any of them. They were all in the head and chest and head chest neck. They were all fatal. Investigators will later find 11 empty nine millimeter shell casings on the roadway near where she was shot. That's how they know it's 11 times. So where's Matthew going? - On foot. - He takes off up the street. Now, Danielle, who was witnessing all this from a couple car lengths behind chases after him, basically. She chases after him and she sees him point the pistol to his head and try to pull the trigger, but it still won't work. This guy is a fucking loser. He's just a fucking loser. I'm sorry. He's just a loser. - What a beast. - He's a shit, an asshole and a loser. - It's exactly what he is in a beast of shit. He can't kill himself, but he can kill an innocent woman who he almost killed already. - You're right. - So it's like. - Almost a vehicular man slaughtered her instead, shot her in the face a million times. - Instead of straight murdered her. So at that point, Danielle takes the pistol from him as well as a second pistol he was carrying. - He had another? - He had another one. The St. Albans police arrive at the scene shortly after that. They arrest him. There's a video shot by a witness named Kyle Gagni who, or Ganya, either one, who videos the entire arrest. And basically the video shows police holding him down, taking him to a cruiser and you can hear a voice be heard and it's Matt's voice talking about slowing down and saying he was sorry. So that's what he's saying. Now he had two firearms, a Ruger 9mm semi-auto handgun and a KELTAQ 380 pistol along with three mags as well, three clips, including the empty one. And five loose bullets that were just loose. - Just hang in there. - Just loosies that he kept in there for. - They fall out of the, they fall out of the magazine. - Oh, you know, if you're not in. - Oh yeah, I thought you meant in the gun. I thought you were joking. I don't know if they're sitting out loose. Yeah, you know, it could fall out. - I fall out of the KELTAQ. That's not a good weapon. - It seems like a piece of shit. - Yeah, it's like a point. - There's a witness named Kylie Sharbano, who's working at Domino's across the street. She heard six or seven gunshots and ran outside to the front of the store, which seems ill advised. - Yeah. - There's six or seven gunshots outside. Let me go out there and see what's happening. - No. - Is it Domino's employee? - Nope. - Nope. - Does that have anything to do with pizza? Probably not. We don't use guns for our pizza, so. - You're inviting violence to a Domino. - Stop it. - No, thank you. She said, "I actually heard the squealing of the tires. I heard screaming and I heard multiple gunshots. When I actually walked to the door to see what was the noise was because it wasn't just firecrackers, I just knew it. I looked outside and I saw the guy walking from his black car. He saw the cops coming and he willingly emptied out his pockets and laid there on the ground and let them arrest him. He wasn't fighting or anything. It was really scary. He was screaming, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." He was saying how he was trying to kill himself and the trigger wouldn't go off and how that woman should have left him alone. - Hmm. - Okay. Another witness named Carolyn Manahan said, "I've never seen anything like that before." - Yeah. - I would fucking hope that. - I would hope. - Yeah, I never saw anybody just unload a clip into someone's face for no reason. After they almost killed the fucking person. - Every time it happens, I go, "Another one this week." - Jesus Christ. I guess there was an off-duty cop working out in the fitness zone that was right there. And they said that he looked out the window and told everybody to get away from the window. Then he locked the door and parked his cruiser in front of the victim. - So she yelled from people looking here. So that's what went on there. Now, the video of the arrest was on Facebook and that was a big deal. The Kyle Gagnia, who took the video, said, "I was sitting there the whole time and I never realized he had a gun on his lap till I saw him grab it and toss it onto the ground." - Wow. - And another comment under the video from a woman named Jill Marie Longley said, "I saw the man and the woman standing outside of their cars and they seemed to be arguing. He started toward her and she put her hands up and said something along the lines of, "No, don't." I had been driving by at this time and when I went past, I heard a shot. When I looked back, she was on the ground and he had taken off so extremely scary. Okay, now, now, not at all where you guys thought the story was going to go. - Correct. - Wow. - You thought the wife is going to get it or he's going to end up something, but not. - The girl's going to fight back. - Yeah, not some, her fiance would jump out and then kill Matt. Like before, he got a chance to kill her and that, but this is crazy. - It's higher peripheral character. - Totally peripheral character. This is what I mean. This is, you don't know what the hell's going on with people and they're crazy on the road. You have no idea what they're pissed off. off from. You have no idea if they're about to blow their brains out and you're getting in their way. You don't know. It's always best to just say, fuck it and drive away. It doesn't matter. What are you going to settle by? What are you going to punch better driving skills into somebody like it doesn't work like that really? It's stupid. You're going to get to tell them they're a piece of shit though. Yeah, but you can do that out the window. That should make you feel good enough. I was driving with when a couple months ago on my way somewhere. There was a man that like I noticed he was swerving in and out of track. He got off the freeway. Literally we were, I mean, he was swerving around traffic. I could see him in the rear view. Yeah. He got off maybe 20 miles down the road. He was on the same freeway with me. As he got off the road, I glanced over. I saw him getting off the freeway. Roll this window down and gave me the finger. I'm like, this man has had a whole thing happening in his truck for the last fucking, I don't know. That's what I mean. I had no idea. No, I even know what I did. That's what I'm saying. It's really pointless. Yeah. Absolutely. Just don't bother because you don't know the infraction. You don't know what they, what the retribution is for the refraction because you don't, for the problem. You don't know. It's no, you have no idea. One time it worked out where somebody like went around and almost hit me and I was like, you mother fucking asshole. He drove like 20 feet and then hit a cop car. I was like, yes, fuck you. Take that, dickhead. Yeah. I was like, you're going, now you're fuck good. So they get Matt to the station. Yeah. They arrest him. They take him down to the St. Albans Police Department and they sit him down and they bring him in the interview room and this takes place. Okay. Matt says, hello. The detective says, hi. Yeah. And Matt says, I'm Matt. Boy, boy. And the detective said, are you Matt? Are you Matt? I'm sure of that. Are you the guy? And Matt says, I was pulled over here to let, to let her go because I was going to kill myself. So you're saying I pulled over so she could go by and I was going to kill myself on the side of the road. Oh, that's what he said. So the detective says, okay, hang on, hang on. Yeah. He hasn't even read him his rights yet. I got to read just something real important. He's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then he's, okay, hang on, hang on. Matt says, then she got out. Shut up. Detective says, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Come. And then Matt says, are you a doctor? Yeah. Doctors usually carry guns. That's, that's who I am. I'm doctor detective Jones. Yeah. That's me. I'm on an arm doctor. And I'm here to talk to you. Um, let me do your blood pressure on fire. Anybody with a tie is a doctor in this guy's mind. So the detective sergeant says, no, I'm a detective. And Matt says, I didn't take any of my medication this morning. I'm sick. I don't feel well at all. And the detective says, okay. Cool. Yeah. Matt says, I didn't mean it. I didn't mean anything. And the detective says, can I talk? Can I talk to you? Yeah. And Matt says, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And the detective says, can I talk to you? Okay. He said, I was trying. I'll tell you everything. Yeah. And Matt says, I'll tell you everything. And he says, okay. Sure. Then Matt says, I swear to God, I won't give you any problem. I swear to God. Great. What do you think the detective says? Okay. Okay. It's exactly right. And then he goes on, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And the detective says, we just need to figure out what's going on. Okay. Okay. Okay. Is his comfort word. Then Matt says, I'm going to, it's been my counselor. Hang on. Yeah. Right there. Just hang on. Matt does not hang on. He says, my counselor, my counselor quit, my counselor quit. And then I, I'm so sorry. Detective says, hang on, hang on. Okay. In order for me to talk to you, okay. I got to read you what's called a Miranda warning. Okay. None of this matters at this point. So Matt says, okay. Yep. Yep. Read. Ready to do it. The detective said, I'm a detective with the police department here. And okay. And then Matt says, I'm so, I used to be such a good. I didn't never, I never done anything wrong. I mean, I got in a car accident and I got a careless a negligent out of it. This, I swear to God. Great. The detective asks, what's your name? Yeah. Because this is all the information. All that is irrelevant to me right now. I got this sheet. I need to fail out. Yeah. I got, I got specific questions. I got to ask you. Yeah. So Matt says, is she okay? Matt Webster. What? Well, first, is that your first name? I mean, yeah. So he says the detective says, okay, I got before I go any further, I have to read you these warnings. And Matt says, I've seen it on TV. Yeah. Okay. Like, I know how this goes. This is fine. So the detective said, in order for me to talk to you and find out exactly what happened today, I've got to read this to you. Okay. And he says, okay. And we go on data birth. Do you know what the day today's date is? And he says, yes. And you know, what time it is in all this type of shit? He says, anything you want to know, I'll tell you, I'll tell you everything. And the cop says, okay, are you going to be able to calm down for me where I feel comfortable enough where I can take these two off? Meaning I think his guns, I think his guns and his cuffs. Like, do I need these in here? You're going to be cool, right? And he says, yeah, definitely. And he says, okay. And then Matt says, definitely, I swear to God, I'm seriously, I will do whatever, man. He just said calm down. He said, I will do whatever. I mean, one of the reasons, obviously, I just, I just is my wife. Okay. Sorry. I don't, I don't. She was in the orange car. She was behind me or not behind me. He's all over the place. That's thanks. Fuck yeah. Yeah. He's in a complete manic meltdown at this moment in time. So the detective says, okay, okay, okay. Too many questions, too many statements, too many words. He said, before we go any further, I've got to explain the Miranda rights and your warnings. I got to do this. So then they go on right to remain silent. It's a bunch of guest serves and so we'll skip all that. Okay. So they said, do you want to be represented by a lawyer and have one present during questioning? That's a two-part question. So I wouldn't even talk to you, you know? So he's also telling Matt, if you do want a lawyer, I'm out of this room and you're not going to be able to get this all out like you want to. So Matt said, it's theirs. I guess, I got to know if she's okay. So the detective says, do you want to talk to me? And Matt said, I should, right? It's better. It's better that way, I think. I don't know. I don't know. I should. Yes, yes. He is all over the place. So the detective says, better that way. Ask any defense attorney. Yeah, better that way. It's better. It's better. It's better that way. I think I don't know. I don't know. I should. Yes. Yes. It's better for the tax payers. That's for sure. So what do you think the detective says? Okay. Okay. That's right. The answer is always okay. So he says, yes, sir, I wish to talk to you. All right. So the detective said, okay, you've been advised to your rights. I, you know, there's no threats or promises have been made against me knowing my rights. I agree to wave them. I wave my right. Yada, yada, yada, yada. And he says, can you sign it right here? Because that's the, I'm going to talk this thing. He says, yes. And we move on. Yeah. So he said, all it's saying is that you agree to speak to me. That's all it is. And Matt says, I guess I'm, I'm just, I'm afraid because, you know, I don't know the laws too well. No, you don't. Do you know that shooting a stranger in the face eight times against this stop? We'll start there. Well, let's say, let's go back to that. Let's go back to waiting in lines and not passing around people when you don't have room. Let's start there and then we'll go to red lights. Yeah. And we'll see if we can get all the way up to murder at some point. Get right up to road rage murder. Yeah. So he says, Matt says, I guess I want to be 100% honest with you and everything. I know. And the detective says, okay, well, in order for me to talk to you, Matt says, okay, he says, I mean, you have to wave your rights. It's up to you whether or not you want to wave your rights. There's two sides to every story. And I know that and you know that. Okay. And I don't know what really happened. Okay. And Matt says, I was, okay. I'll explain it. So anyway, they go back and forth. So he says, in order for me to get your side of the story, I need to talk to you. And he says, so I mean, it would be I mean, and Matt says, I want to do the right, I want to do the right thing. But I don't know if the right thing is to get a, would they be able to come right now so I could talk to you a lawyer? I don't know. So he's saying, should I get a lawyer and he can sit here and then we'll talk. Well, that's not how I want to take a while to get him down here. Well, it didn't convenient them. Yeah. Well, it'll take a while. Well, he's saying like, you know, I don't want to sit here and not talk to you for that long. But what he doesn't understand is if he asks for a lawyer, the interrogation is over. No lawyer would say, yeah, let's sit in an interrogation room. I'll sit next to you. Well, your answer questions. He'd say, shut the fuck up. Go to your jail. So these guys have been here. We're not, we'll sit here too. Yeah. So then the detective says, man, I can't give you that advice. I can't give you a legal advice. So Matt says right and the detective says you know and Matt says I just I just I don't as a man I don't want you to look less at me. You know if I choose to like if I should say I want to get the lawyer I do I want to help you I need to tell you what happened. Yeah. Okay, so if he went there I don't want you to think less of me you this is a stranger. I don't want you to hear a moron Look down on me. Yeah, a bitch of a man. I have a pussy man if you will So he said he wanted to talk with the sergeant more because it's the right thing to do and I just know someone is going to Holler at me later for it probably because I know it's the right thing to do but I know a lawyer's gonna be like how stupid Are you dumb fuck fuck are you doing so then he signs it and here we go So he said that day he was at home reading his email he received a message from his ex-girlfriend whom he'd been having an affair with starting in January 2013 and ending about two and a half months before today He then diverts into describing the car. He had finished preparing the week before He said we finally finished the car Friday. I was going to start work. Everything was going to go the right way He then describes an app on his phone which allowed him to communicate with his ex-girlfriend without his wife knowing, you know What's app or some shit like that? Yeah, snapchat snapchat. What's up? Whatever the fuck so he then asks where the phone is the cop And then Matt starts crying again. He said he lost track of the phone after the shooting and he said quote I was collapsing on the ground with my wife. I'm so friggin scared Then he says I was lazy What yeah, he said I was supposed to be clean in the house. I wish I was still cleaning the house Anything to be just scrubbing a toilet ball right now. So bad God smell of pine right now would take me away from this place He said He then he said his girlfriend called him in tears apparently upset that her children's father was going to leave her and take their children Not Matt her actual her other children her children's father is The woman he's having to fare with so she asked to see Matt He said he initially refused but then he agreed However, he called his wife at work to tell her he was going to see his ex-girlfriend You know because he's a moron for the 45th fucking time this episode Then the detective asked for details including the route he took to his ex-girlfriend's apartment and all that He said I Matt said I got a really bad memory. I'm trying to get this the best that I can for you He said because his wife was coming to his ex-girlfriends He said they left the apartment and parked behind the VFW hall on Lake Street Okay, while parked he was talking with his wife over the phone and he had his ex-girlfriend tell his wife the affair was over Said he passed a you tell her it's over Now describing his relationship. He says quote. I'm a pushover. I'm a nice guy. I never meant to hurt anybody in my life He said even though it's done. I wanted to protect my ex-girlfriend He said I didn't want her to lose her children. She still loves them. She's got one tattooed on each foot Well, and she must be a great mother. I want a mother. Yeah, that means she's a great mother Any tattoo you have on your body of your kid of your kids names or anything you can do anything You like and burn them with fucking cigarette butts. You can beat them with coat hangers You do whatever you want really because you're a great mom. You have a tattoo of them. So you must be a great mom Specifically feed though. You know, you pay the guy upwards of a hundred dollars for that. You must be a great mom It doesn't mean you're a great or a bad mom. Just means you got tattoos of your kids. That's all it's fine But when you can show it off with a strappy shoe. That's a mom. Oh, that's that's that's a damn nice mom. That's mothering right there So Matt then describes taking the ex-girlfriend back to her apartment and he said in the middle of this He said I haven't taken any of my medication. So I don't feel so hot right and The detective said maybe I can get you the medications from your car later and you know Are they there? Yeah, if you have them on and we can get them for you if they're prescribed by a doctor And he offers them some water He said his day at what you know Danielle comes in and she's parks by the apartment and Webster said here Matt said he told his wife to follow him like let's go over here They went to this the switch yard shopping plaza on Lake Street where he says he bought cigarettes in a spot in a soda They spoke he said quote she was angry. Well no shit. Yeah She had to leave work to go sit in an apartment complex because you're hanging out with your girlfriend Yeah, I would think that'll piss her off a little bit. She left work to monitor your breakup. Yeah, you're right sure She said that he drove away from the switch yard with Danielle following him He said I was on Main Street in front of that new restaurant twigs. I think it is I said he had the nine millimeter handgun in a holster. He said I've carried a gun since I was old enough to carry a gun So I just always have my gun He diverts from the gun to describe his medications and said he takes two pain medications for pancreatitis and he said that stuff's Rotten my brain even more Even more than it already was rotted there. You think Heroine's bad. Wait till I tell you about whatever the fuck this over the counter shit So returning to the what happened he said I took my my nine my nine millimeter off safety and chambered around He said he pressed the gun to his neck, which doesn't seem like the best way to do it No, that's messy. He said I was ready to die because this argument had been so ongoing for almost a year He said I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I had it squeezed. I could feel it coming back He said the hammer on the gun. He said I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to die He said while all this was occurring he ran a red light He said he pulled over and a couple of a couple pulled up behind him He said they pulled over. I didn't even want to talk about this part. I was so scared He said I wasn't safe to drive so I pulled over as soon as I could because I wasn't safe to drive He said I don't know why I got out. I got out and first the guy started to get out He was in the passenger seat then the driver side opens up. I had these two people coming at me He said he was still holding this gun. He said I tried to put it back in the holster and it wouldn't go I didn't think. I didn't think and then he starts crying and he says the gentleman that was in the passenger side got back in the car I think he saw the gun. I Said can you please get back in your car? He went back in the car and she charged further like a six-point buck come up over the hill. Oh, so they do that's a day Yeah, I have a yard full of deer those bucks if you get caught out there. They just charge a man They're like bulls boy. I'll tell you something She ran red. Oh, they come right at you. He said like a six-point buck come up over the hill. I pulled up and shot She kept coming. No, she fell to the ground. Yeah, I emptied the clip and I didn't even know it I saw her fall and at that point it was like my god. What did I do? He said a friend riding in the car with Anna her fiance Started to get out of the car. He said I pointed it at him He said he also put a fresh click for a fresh clip in the gun and put it to his temple and squeeze the trigger and it went click as What he says so Then it's kind of difficult to follow because it's jumbled around. He's a mess. He's crying And he said his wife appears and takes the gun at least that's what he thinks He said his memories know just so jumbled that there's no way to replay it now in my brain He said I'm a terrible fucking shot at one point. Do he said I remember seeing the blood on the pavement I knew I had done wrong. So I said somebody got to call the cops He describes cradling both guns because he didn't want anyone to use them He said my wife caught up to me. She said you just shot somebody I collapsed in her arms and I said somebody's got to call the cops So he said there was another man there. I think he was going for my gun my father's gun that was on the ground I was afraid the man would shoot my wife So I picked the gun up and told everyone to stay back Ben when uniformed officers arrived. He said he threw the gun out of reach and laid on the ground He said I wanted to be taken into custody Yeah, so Interesting. He said he always carries an extra clip with a nine millimeter because it only has ten rounds That's very little very I mean I there's so many times I leave the house from like I need at least 20 shots I have to have at least 20 shots or I'll say two mags and one in the chamber I won't go to the five guys without it. I mean, obviously. It's just dangerous over there He said because why chamber just for safety's sake. He said because I'm a terrible shot. I Know six feet away. You still missed three times. Yeah, I said I might need to unload the clip on somebody He said guns of kind of always been in my life. He said he used to work for a Georgia gunmaker century arms and Yeah, he said also they asked about his medications and he said I was a prescribed addict Think meaning he's addicted to the drugs. He was prescribed meaning oxycodone and methadone He said I was all out of my oxycodone because I had a bad month pain-wise So he then he began snorting oxycodone. He said it stopped my pain and it stopped my depression. Yeah, I bet Shit was amazing. He then said if I was still an oxycodone. I don't think my temper would have been Then he said today was I was at my lowest depression stage. So if you it just snorted his pills he would have been fine is what he said about this yeah then he asked about Anna's condition but the detective said he didn't know and then Matt said I want to know and I don't want to know you know you know she's pretty dead. So during the arrangement the state's attorney calls it an active extreme violence. This was a random act and he said the defendant and Anna had no relationship whatsoever which is true despite the fact they went to the same high school at the same time they didn't know each other. No relationship. Yeah it's brutal. So he's a rain we're going to have a trial for him in a minute here but it's going to take a while. The trial to build up is usually a year a year and a half you know of prep. So a year after the actual murder family members hold a vigil for Anna Alger here and they said they hope to recandolite vigil and sending lanterns and balloons into the sky that Anna somewhere can feel the love that they have for her. Her grandmother Gladys said that Anna was ready to give basically she said that okay the family said a memorial place to the scene of the shooting was moved to a friend's yard last week after St. Albans City officials received a complaint and Anna's grandmother said that she was ready to give the mayor an earful about that shit. It's a goddamn memorial for a dead woman. Alger's sister Ginny said that she feels like the community support has dwindled some since the shooting but the family is standing strong. They said our main concern is justice for Anna at this point. We're just asking the community to back her up. She was a hometown girl. Now he's going to go to trial. Is that right? This seems like the ultimate need to plea bargain case. There's a person. Yes, I've broad fucking daylight in the middle of main street literally with people watching out the Domino's pizza window and while they are on their treadmills like. Right. Well, you shot a woman to death on the street because she asked you what kind of a piece of shit you think you are that you think you are think you are. So one of the defense strategies here because you go, how do you defend this guy? I guess you just call him crazy, right? You can either call him crazy or they're going to say it's self-defense. Two people were coming at him. So he felt threatened. He's a big bald fat fuck to me. So I don't know how threatened. He felt by a woman coming at him, but whatever. Anyway, the Patrick Daly, Alger's fiance who was in the passenger seat here. He had a deposition here that it was read to the court and he spoke of how angry Anna was at the near collision. He said he urged her not to stop, but he said that's not the person she is. He said if someone ticks her off, she's going to tell you how she feels. He said he had also, he'd never previously seen her angry, but it heard from her family and best friend about her temper, but never put it on him, which is good. He's the state's attorney said the deposition of these family members and Anna's best friend would serve no purpose and would only serve to harass these people because they were trying to bring in depositions from other people and the state was like, we're not making these people public for no reason, basically. So they also talk about provocation and they say provocation has to be adequate. Mirror words are never enough to merit a physical response. She never made it past the fender of her car and her car was riddled with bullets. So not like she was in his face trying to scratch his eyes out or something. The defense said his mental state was so impaired that he was without the capacity to form intent. Oh, that's what they have. They have a clinical psychologist named John Holt who appears as an expert witness who says that the only person Matt wanted to kill on the day of his fatal encounter was himself. That's it. And this was just in the way. So yeah, there's two shrinks. There's the he was crazy shrink. That's John Holt saying that, you know, it's clear that he committed the act. He fired a weapon. And Mr. Webster's case, he was impaired by the immediacy of what happened. He'd gone for being suicidal, going through a red light and not even being aware of what was going on to all of the sudden when he opened his car door and comes out, bam, incoming right at him screaming. He did not have time to think rationally. And they said, well, he emptied empty emptied an entire magazine plus a bullet that was in the chamber. So that's 11 trigger pulls. That's 11 intentional acts, right? And the doctor said, I'm not sure that's 11 intentional acts. He added, if the trigger pulls occurred rapidly, he may not have had time to think about what he was doing between shots. I guess you call that one event, one event. Yeah. All overall. Okay. Now there's also the states he was fine shrink. That's Dr. Paul Cotton who says that, you know, he'd been making conscious decisions throughout the afternoon before the fatal act and those conscious decisions didn't end when he pulled the trigger. So there's that now closing arguments here. The prosecutor says, lastly, in discussing the absence of a need to prove motive, he said this, the only thing the law will require us to prove is for you to find that he intended to do her great bodily harm going back to that hammer and nail for a minute. This is a fellow who looked at the world like a hammer carrying these two guns around all the time. No, you mean you looked at the world like a nail and he's carrying a hammer, which would be these two guns. Yeah. If you look at the world like a hammer, what does the rest of the world look like? I guess if you're the hammer, it looks like a nail. You're going to find a reason and excuse to act out in that way. That's what they said. Now the defense said or the, I'm sorry, the prosecution went on. It's not like you pull the trigger once in the gun empties itself. You pull the trigger 11 separate times. It's not just wildly here and there and off in the distance at the target. So he's shooting right there. He said he, if he had actually pulled the trigger, he would have been successful in killing himself as successful as he was in killing Anna Halger. He didn't pull the trigger as they said he must not have pulled the trigger because he said he tried to in the car and it didn't work, but then he got out and shot her 11 times and then it wouldn't work again. Miraculous like. Yeah. So yeah, the defense said the shot happened, it just happened so fast. We can't wait people so quick. He said they happen so quickly that Matt did not have the chance to think about what he was doing until it was all over. They said he's not upset. He's not mad. He's not enraged. Then he tells the police about the event and says, I don't know what I did. You fire until there's nothing there because you're not thinking. Okay. Just keep pulling it. Yeah. Now the verdict here, the jury is five men and seven women. They began deliberating the case Tuesday night after five days of testimony. They stopped for the night, return Wednesday morning and had a verdict pretty quick. Okay. They find him guilty of second degree murder, which is, yeah, it's not first degree murder. She didn't even know this person 10 seconds before this happened. So you can't say it was premeditated. And reckless endangerment and negligent operation. Again, the traffic thing because he blew the red light, which is pretty funny. They even kept that charge in there. During sentencing, Anna's fiance Patrick said, we will never forgive you, Matthew, for what you put on us. We no longer have Anna. When Anna died, a piece of me did too. Anna's daughter writes a letter to the court. I won't give her a name. Says, now that you've shot my mom, because I don't know how old she is, I know that you've shot my mom. We can't do the things that we said we were going to do together. Jesus Christ, yeah. So in a more recent note, she also said, you've really changed my life. I don't feel the same. I don't feel safe. She was 11 at the time, right? By the way, it was poor kid, not a poor kid. That sucks, man. Lost her mom. That's shit. So the defense asked for a compassionate sentence. They said he's deeply remorseful. Look at him. He's so sad right now. So he was contemplating history. He's got a long history of our contemplating suicide, long history of mental health problems and drug abuse and, you know, come on. Yeah. Basically, come on. Let's do this. Now the prosecution. Prosecution's asking for life without parole. The defense said that would be completely disproportionate to the typical prison term for second degree murder. Matthew speaks. He said, I'm sorry for the tears and broken hearts for the family, friends and co-workers who will never get to hear her laugh again. I heard she had a contagious laugh and I'm sorry. No one will be able to hear it anymore. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And there's a letter, he wrote. And he said every single time that I dream about that day, I try to fix it, fix what went wrong. But even while I'm asleep, I cannot fix it. I wake up in a cold sweat, stare at the cement wall and begin to cry, not just for myself, but for everyone this tragedy has affected. The judge says Miss Alger did nothing to invite her death. Disagreements occur between people every day. Miss Alger's response to the fact that you ran the red light and nearly caused an accident was not unusual. It was not improper or illegal. She may have been upset, but the court cannot state clearly enough that she is not at fault. She approached you, but she didn't provoke you. She had no idea what she was walking into. Mr. Webster, you are entirely responsible for what occurred. You are the one who is armed. You are the one who chose to your response to her. You alone decided how this would end. You may fuck off 40 years to life. So pretty good sense. It's not bad. For second degree, that's that's that's banging on pretty good. It's usually 20 to life for second degree. So 40 to life is you're doing 40. Pretty steep. Yeah. Um, Anna's family said, uh, this is, um, her stepmother said we weren't sure what was going to happen. We were very satisfied. We can finally put Anna to rest. So that's nice. He appeals a couple of times 2015, uh, for retrial 2017 to the state Supreme Court, um, saying the lower court should have suppressed and criminating statements he gave following as arrest before detectives read him his Miranda rights, even though he said the same things after he was read his Miranda rights, but those were utterances that you couldn't control that detective was telling him to shut the fuck up and he wouldn't do it in the middle of the sentence. He would interrupt him and say more. So there's no way to stop a guy for doing that. They reject it. He's still in prison and is still dead. Her daughter still doesn't have a mother and, um, yeah, Danielle's like, wow, they didn't expect the data and like that. That's terrible. That is fucking crazy. So that everybody is St. Albans, uh, Vermont and, uh, wow, didn't, didn't expect that turn, right? At all unbelievable. Yeah. It's, that's a crazy story. It's just too crazy and it's very small town murder. 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