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Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. And he was really concerned going into this. He's like, "I don't want to get fucking disappeared or anything I don't want." And they were the nicest people we ever met. We did not pay for a single thing that whole trip besides our hotel. We'd get in someone's fucking cab and they'd be like, "Yeah, no, it's all good and we'd go and we'd have fucking shwarm." No, it's all good. Like, they. After all that, after all those years too. It's not an America thing. You're a guest thing. They look at it just like, "Wow, we're a country with such a bad reputation and no one wants to come here." You guys chose to come on your fucking holiday year where you could have went to fucking Taloon or Thailand or some shit. And here you are in fucking Iraq. Let's go, baby. I'm a tent. Yeah, exactly. Maybe they don't see it this way. This year 'cause of GaryVay. Yeah, exactly. Are you posting. You may be posting content. You want to go to Taloon? A rock. You're going to a rock. You got to put yourself in the deep end, man. You got to think outside of the box, man. Do something to someone else and do it. Oh, my God. He's right there. But you're. So you didn't pay for a damn thing. How long were you there? We were like seven days in Baghdad. And I would say that the same level of hospitality I received in Iraq. I can say the same thing about Pakistan as well. What's Baghdad? Like, 'cause that was a few years ago now. But what was it like at this point? Like, much more modern and progressive than I was led to believe. Like, it's not like crazy fucking Sharia law. Like all the guys saw women just dressed like without. Just out and about, you know, like everyone thinks it's just like, "Oh, you've got to be completely covered and whatnot." And then, dude, people were like, "We didn't actually go out." People were like, "Yeah, you can go out. You can party here. You can go to nightclubs here." Yeah, very cool. The infrastructure was nice. Like, I mean, there's still some remnants of war for sure. But for the most part, the buildings were nice. Like, dude, it was modern and progressive and nice. That's awesome to hear. I mean, holy shit being put through the ringer there for so long. And it's crazy because, dude, we were both so nervous. And then by the first day, we went out and we're like, "Holy shit, this place is chill." Like, this is everyone's such a chiller. Like, everyone want to stop and talk to us. Many people speak good English. And we're just like, "We're making friends every fucking five seconds. We got invited to so many people's houses for dinner and whatnot." It was awesome. It's like, dude, it's one of those countries. You think it's going to be a hard experience as a tourist. And then it just becomes so easy because everyone just reaches out to you. And just like, "Hey, yo, you should come to my house." We don't get tourists here too much. Yeah, you said something really in a few minutes ago that my friend Eric Zooliger said on the show a lot of times. And I quote it all the time where you're like, "People are not their governments." And you have just lived that in so many places. And it's so great to hear that you could have so many great back-and-force even in a place like that that's. I mean, shit, they're still fresh off ISIS and all that stuff, you know? That's wild to me. Yeah. I mean, that was the point of going to Southern Lebanon. It was just like, dude, I think these people have been demonized so much because of the local government there. But that's not them. They're so nice. And, dude, whenever I went there, since they don't have people going there and even covering what they're going through, it was the same thing. It was just like, no one wanted us to pay for anything. If you watch that whole video, we went and we got food a bunch there. No one wanted us to pay. They're just grateful, man. So, dude, it's crazy that the places that have been so demonized is where you find the most humanity of families. In, like, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon. One of, if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day, because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. Also, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show, you can do so via the Discord link in my description below. And finally, you can join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the Patreon link about a description below. As always, please take one second to hit that subscribe button. If you haven't already, I really appreciate that. Also, the like button's a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description below. I want to come to Afghanistan in a second, but in Iraq, when you would have discussions with these people over dinner and stuff like that about what they experienced over say the last couple decades when it was war torn. But, you know, I'm sure there's not unanimous thoughts on every single thing or anything like that. But what were some of the main takeaways that were pretty common across people describing that. We had a couple conversations and they were off camera. I just think everyone there is resilient and with Syria, everyone has been affected by war. But like I was saying with like a lot of these people from these places, it just like when there's war, they don't shy away. I think one of the most impactful stories, my friend Ali said he appeared in I think a couple of Connor's videos, maybe one of mine is that a common thing to see there is like say if like I think he remembers experiencing only a block away from him. It was like a shopping mall getting like suicide bombers, some shit like that. I don't know exactly the extent of it. And after all the dust settled, it wasn't people running away. It was people running towards it to like to get people out of the rubble. Yeah, so I think you know, people would rather stay and fight and save their own people and rather than shy away and leave their home ran. That's amazing. So fucking cool. I think it's quite a different perspective than than us. I mean, it's a big theme. Our privileged asses on a fucking podcast and people living through their war. Have you felt yourself really change as a person over the years doing this and experiencing all these places? Yes and no. I mean, it's hard to say. I think I'm, I don't want to like, I don't think I'm changed in this like bullshit like eat prey love type way. I can't stand that shit. Like I'm not like a much of a crazy spiritual person. And before this, I was, I didn't, I wasn't bigoted or anything, but I do do think it just confirm just like, you know, people are people. I think everyone's a product of their own environment. And I think people, you just need to give people a chance, you know, to get to know people rather just like forming your internet from a fucking pixels on or forming your opinion from a pixels on a screen. It's absolutely crazy with the amount of misinformation and propaganda in the world. Like fucking, have some balls and go out and experience a place. Fuck you. I love that. Thank you. I got a piss again. Go piss. But we'll be right back. All right. We're back. How long after the pull out from Afghanistan was it until you went there? Polo was 2021 and I went there kind of summertime of 2024. Okay, so a few years. And I do think there was like, I think it's got actually quite popular amongst travel thrill seekers for content creators for sure. And I'm not saying I was like, I got in there. I was like the first one, but I do think I was early to go and just check it out. Who did you obviously got someone on the ground? So how'd you find someone and know they were reliable and you were going to be all right. I had a fixer in Peshawar. I don't even know how I got this guy's Instagram, but he was like a journalist, like a war journalist in Afghanistan. Like he was from Pakistan, but did war journalism in Afghanistan during the war. And then he was connected to a tour company and they got me a fixer. To be fair, it was a couple YouTubers went before me. It was like, my homie Harry Kirin, Eli, if I forget the last one, I'm sorry. And I got, I asked, they said they had a good guy. I don't even want to talk. Yeah, I don't want to talk shit about my guy. He was like, he was a good guy in the sense that he let me do my own thing. Was he the most educated and like, like upbeat? No, he's very, very shy, but I think I use that to my advantage. Or I'm just like, all right, you're here. If I'm overstepping, please tell me I'm going to do my own thing. And I would appreciate if you could translate when I need you to. And yeah, do you have a good word someone's translating wrong? Now, I mean, now that you say it, like, yeah, it's funny. I think we'll chop your head off. He says he loves you. Yeah, you know, it's funny is now that you bring it up, not always keep bringing it back to Israel as someone like commented. You know, like, if anything, I don't think it was a propaganda tour, but there was like a point where we were bartering over like something I was buying. And someone was like, they caught in the video. My homie speaking Hebrew. He's like, yo, like do a little barter with me like, like, like basically trying to like be performative, like telling him to be performative. Besides that, I don't think it was like a set up propaganda tour, but I think there was a little cohesion where like, oh, we're doing a little. like, yeah, yeah, let's, let's be performative for, for the camera. So it's like, now that I think back to it, I'm like, holy fuck, they could have been saying anything and Hebrew that whole time. It's just like, imagine he wasn't, I would have ended up paying for all that shit. Right. I'm not going, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get into, but who, who knows what, it's going to be a concern everywhere. Yeah, bro, now that you're fucking saying that, I'm kind of tuning in. Like, and I've, I've had moments where people have been like, uh, you didn't translate that properly. But I'm just like, well, what they said was good. Yeah. That's the one thing you do have it on videos. Yeah. Later, like, when you put it out to the inner webs, people can be like, wait a minute. That's not what was said there. That helps. Yeah. But I try not to like, dude, if someone's like, just yapping in a local language, I probably cut that part out. Like, I put a couple of words and I go to the translator, you know, all these raw footage exists. But it's just like, that's a lot to try to make sure everything was accurate. For sure. Definitely, some things could get lost in translation. You're right. But in Afghanistan, obviously like enormous fuck ups on the United States end and us for years, like clearly not having, at some point, not having a plan as to how that was going to go. So it ends up in a full circle moment in all the wrong ways. We leave. Now people are living under Taliban rule there. There's obviously a subset of population that fully supports that. And that subset that doesn't, I would imagine at some point, you talk to both or I talked to a wide variety of people. You know what? I wish, I wish I did in Afghanistan, that what I did in my trip to Palestine, whereas like more of like a one and done. But at the same time, like I said, I was with this guy that he was kind of cheapish. Like, I wanted to go up and meet Taliban, dude, and they're like, yeah, we probably shouldn't. Like, like, there was this one time, like, they were on a swamp. You know, I don't know if you've seen that place in Afghanistan. It's this beautiful blue lake. It looks like it's somewhere in Greece, and these people, they ride the swans around in them. And dude, it was, it was, they're riding swans in the lake. Yeah, yeah. It's a big ass swans. Yeah. No, no, no, like, like, like, like, like, paddle boats, but they're like, like, like, like, like, like, like, duckie boats. It's so funny. Yeah. So this play, what's like a band of me. So dude, this is like the funniest should ever. So you have these totally gone with that. You should have let me. Yeah. Yeah. Look at it. Dude, I told you I'm a little slow because of the hours you shot. So I'm, I imagine this is like, a bunch of like, duckie boats in that, in that lake. And the people on it are fucking Taliban members with eight, four, seven. Bro, like, I started filming this video, like, dude, look at the Taliban, like, on their swans with the AK-47s. And someone like commented, like, I had a couple comments, just like, brother, I literally thought this was AI. Like, like, I can't believe this is a real setting. Yeah, just go time and seal on to Afghanistan. And I think I literally titled it, like, the Taliban love duckie boats or something. Oh, I do that first one. Do that first show. Do that for a short show. Oh my God. Put the valley one. And this is what I mean. My God with sheepish. I asked, can I go with them? And he's just like, I kind of want a picture with the Taliban. This is what I'm just trolling them. I'm like, oh, we don't put our arms around. They don't know what I'm saying. And he's riding the fucking thing. All right, can we go back to the gameplay to that first shot? There goes the Taliban. There's one. Oh, my God. I want to join. You get to see how this doesn't look real. She's hard. I still got to work on their optics. Yeah, I want to go wild. Yeah, dude, it doesn't feel real. It's like literally their vacation spot when they get a couple days off. They go in a little swan boat while they're like in AK 47. It was, and dude, I mean, Afghanistan is one of the most beautiful countries in the world. I've heard that. Yeah, but that place would have been a world wonder somewhere else in the world. This is beautiful, like, crystal clear, natural blue lake that looks like fucking Kool-Aid man. And you're in a canyon. That's like, like almost like the Grand Canyon. It's crazy, but obviously what people know from there is just war. Well, it's also crazy that there's so many places in the world that are aesthetically beautiful, but it's just the inhabitants of the governments that run them or some of the people that have taken charge that ruin it for everyone. Right, you know what's crazy is if you ask me where would you feel more safe on a trip in Afghanistan, or Rio de Janeiro, I'd probably say Afghanistan. I could see that. I've heard bad things about some of those neighborhoods. Obviously the risk of going to Afghanistan is things like, quote unquote, terrorism and war and shit, which sounds like a lot more worse than petty crime that you find in Rio, but that's on full display. I was there in Rio during Carnival and I got fucking robbed. And that was my job. I got robbed within my third day. What happened? Like, pickpocketed or stood up? Kind of both. It was after a Carnival celebration. I was kind of fucked up and then I ordered an Uber and it was just down the street. And I was fully aware. I'm like, okay, like I have to have my guard up and whatever. So I'm walking through this like plaza thing. I'm like, okay, my Uber is just going to be just down there. Like this is chill. And I start to notice around me. I'm just like, damn, all these people are fucking riff raff. And I notice a gang of them kind of set their eyes on me. So I started veer off, veer off. And before I know it, they ran up behind me and I have a satchel on and they grabbed it from the back. They didn't even on clip it. They tore that shit right off me. And I just, it just fucking tore off my back like I was a tree and they're just ripping a rope off it. And then like I turn around, they had my satchel. And like it was like, there was like a bunch of them. And I was just like, I kind of got the, it's just like, all right, you guys got what you wanted. I'm just going to fuck off. And they left you alone. They just left me alone after that. And then I, I had to go be a snitch. I talked to the police. The police actually thought it was funny. Like, like, I, I was like, talking to them. It was like, I, it was more like, I can't really speak that well, Portuguese, but I speak some Spanish. So it was like, Portuguese, Spanish kind of both. But they understood what I was saying. And it got to the point where it's just like, they're, they're translating some shit. Just just like, okay, well, maybe you can go into the police station the next morning. And like, maybe they'll have your shit. And I just said something just like, what do you mean? Like, you're the fucking cops. Like go fucking get them. Or it's some shit. It was like, I forget exactly the conversation went, but they thought it was pretty funny that I eventually showed them on Translate. I'm like, you're the police. Do your fucking job. And then there's like, you know, that fuck it. Like, let's go. Oh, they went in. No, no, they didn't. They didn't. I, they, they shook down some other fucking riff rap kid. Those kids were long gone by then. And now, yeah, I didn't get my shit back, which it was unfortunate because they shook down. No, unfortunately not. And they do. They wouldn't have been worth anything because like, I lost my camera, which had a full two days of footage from the favelas, you know, that's also a crazy thing. I know we're on a tangent here, but it's just like, take this. Keep going. Brother, like, dude, being in the favelas felt more safe for tourists than being like in the streets during carnival like on Copacabano or or like, let me, let me, let me specify being in certain favelas because there's two that are like, kind of like gringo pill. There's like, can you tell people out there who don't know what a favela is? What you're referring to? It's essentially an informal settlement that the police don't go to, too, because it's basically ran by fucking drug lords and anything goes in them. But that's the thing is since they're not ran by the police, like these drug lords run them. It's just like, okay, you do petty crime in the street. The cops will be like, ah, whatever, it's petty crime. You do petty crime in the favela. Like, that's a good way to fucking get killed, you know? So in a sense, there is, it's a very dangerous place to be because, you know, there's always going to be, there could be shootouts, it could be like hardcore, violent shootings. People get caught up in like some raiders, some shit. But at the same time, a lot of the time, like whenever it's like these drug lords who control the place, it's just like people kind of like act civil. There's not much petty crime in general. A lot of these places, funny enough, are being stimulated by tourism. Like in Vigigal is considered almost like this luxury favela because it has this amazing view of the beach and all of Rio. So people have started to set up hostels and shit there. I remember like seeing Instagram or some TikTok of some girl being like, I reserved this hostel. I didn't realize it was in a fucking favela and I feel very unsafe. But from what I gathered about the favela is especially too. Vigigal and Rasina is since they do have tourism infrastructure. People go there, they might stay there in a hostel or they might take a tour. Essentially as a gringo, you're off-limit. It's like no one's gonna fuck with you. 'Cause if you fuck with the Gringo population who's bringing economy into your favela, like that's a good way to get like fucking disappeared by someone. So like there's actually a fair economy right now between those two favelas with tourism. And that's why I say you're probably more safe in one of these favelas than being on the street certain times, certain places. 'Cause I got robbed in a tourist area. Granted it was like maybe like 2am or some shit. And I was just like down like a riff rap street, but still it was like a tourist area in like downtown Rio de Janeiro. Versus I spent two days in the favelas with, I don't know, a guy who like he, he didn't seem like the, he was a pretty sketchy kid to be honest. And he was, he knew all these guys who went around and oh dude, people open carry there. Like the people who run the shit, they open fucking carry there. So imagine that, this is like the type of, type of shit like no mother wants to hear about their child going on a fucking, - Yeah, what do your parents think all this shit either? - No, they've been so supportive, they're dope. And they know I'm not a fucking idiot. That's a thing, bro. It's like I, I'd say now after living and I'm pretty good at risk assessment. I always give like the analogy. It's just like I have a lot of people from my hometown being like do what you do is crazy and like you definitely could, you're risking your life. It's just like I don't even see it that way. Sometimes the behavior people get up to in my small town. I consider risking your life when you know, you take drugs that haven't been tested, you drink and drive, you do all that shit. That sounds a lot more risky to me than going on like a guided tour of fucking Afghanistan or some shit like that. So it's different perceptions of risk, I'd say. And so, but this is the one of those moments just like dude, no parents want to hear about like their kid who like went to fucking Rio and now they're like with some guy who like probably does bad illicit activities in the slums and like he was bringing me around and like dude, I was shaking hands with the dudes with the AR-15s and they're there in like a populated street like where people are partying in the street. Just chilling there, open carrying, massive fucking guns, just probably smoking a joint or drinking. And then dude, also in these favelas, there's these tables where you can like get any drug under the sun and like there might be like a 15 year old work in them. Anything fucking goes there. They don't have to hide any of that activity. So it's the absolute wild wild west, but at the same time like if you go there as a tourist, you're kind of protected which is it's weird to be like dude, these are these fucking drug lords with AR-15s and I'm-- - They're businessmen. - And I'm safer here than a place where the police actually fucking frequent who don't usually don't do shit. I was lucky enough that they actually did shit but do 95% of the time, like you get robbed and something like that. - Tough shit, it's fucking real. - They're like that, he's like sometimes. - Oh yeah, yeah, exactly, well, welcome to Hoboken. - Yeah, we got robbed in Jersey City one time and went to the cop station, it was a lot of fucking, it was like 12, 15,000 dollars worth of stuff, a bunch of hard drives, like cameras, all that and they're like, yeah, best of luck to you. - Yeah man, like fuck, perception of risk is weird. It's not always what you would think, you know? And that's why I always use the analogy of like, okay, I might be doing crazy shit in the world but it's just like dude, you can live a pretty fucking rich life in a safe country like Canada or the US if you have really bad habits, you know? - Outside of that moment though, where you're getting robbed and then you're able to get away from it, did you have any specific moments where the hair's on the back of your neck, we're standing up and you're like, oh my god, I'm in danger. And what were those moments? - I think the scariest moment of my travels and I'm really glad it happened to me was in Colombia where I had a gun pulled on me for being in the wrong place in the wrong time. And dude, the reason I say I'm really glad it happened to me 'cause I think I got it, I was under the impression from traveling around enough and nothing happened to me to be like, oh, the world's not as sinister as I believe. I know I'm praising, like oh, dude, I've traveled to Afghanistan, it was safe. But at the same time, you still need to take some fucking precautions. - That's right. - Especially in South America and shit. So it's just like, I was in Medellin and I just kept going to like different barrios, taking the gondola up and just like exploring these barrios. I think I did like a couple of days where I just went fine and then I just went to the wrong place where essentially like, similar to the favelas in Brazil that they're run by essentially the mob. And it wasn't necessarily me, the problem was the filming. Is that I was there filming and I got surrounded by a bunch of dudes like, and then grabbed me by the shirt and made me delete all my shit. And I thought I was good. I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna get the fuck out of here. And then I was on my way out in some kid. He was probably like 18 years old. He like, he starts walking with me. He shows me he has a badge of some short and then shows me his gun and he's just like, let's go this way. And I'm like, okay, I guess we're going this way. And we're in like a favela, like a slummy looking area. He brings me down this path where it's like a bunch of shacks on one side and a ravine on the other side. It's me him and his two like young friends. I assume they're all like 18 and he's asking me for ID and shit and dude, I didn't bring anything with me. I'm just like, uh, just in case something goes south. Like, you know, I'll just bring my camera. I won't bring like my wallet or my deal. Bring just a little bit of cash in my sashel and sit. And the reason he's asking is he's just like, I wanted to know who I am just like, so I'm not a fucking off. People told me from this experience, if I was Columbia and they could have capped me, this is like, it's better that I was Canadian. And just like, I was just basically saying like, dude, I'm just a stupid fucking tourist at this point. - Right. - It seems like that's been to your advantage in a lot of different places. - Of course, dude, my white privilege, like. - No, no, I didn't even mean it that way, but sure. Yeah, but like the fact that like you're pointing out in Brazil, they don't give a fuck about the people that live in their neighborhood. They'll police them however they need to and if that's by the gun, it's by the gun, but you're bad press if they police you. - Yeah, same thing in Palestine, bro. I had more fucking rights than a Palestinian in Palestine being Canadian. But anyways, yeah, so they were just were kind of like asking who I am and like he was getting frustrated because like I had no idea. I was just, I can't remember saying, my Spanish isn't great, so I was like, solo quiero salir, like I just want to leave, you know? And then I think he just got to the point where he was frustrated. He didn't take out the gun and like put it to my head. He was just like, he just got out of the gun and he was just whipping it around all frustrating shit. He took my satchel off me and went through it and shit and eventually he just let me go. And dude, I honestly left that place like a bitch. Like I just fucking dipped, like scared shitless. I thought he took my camera actually. So like I went, I walked an hour to the train station and walked an hour. - Yeah, like down the slum down the favela 'cause they're all built into hills basically. And then I look at my bag and I'm like, holy shit, my camera's still in there, I thought they took it. So it was clear dude, these dudes weren't trying to rob me. Like they were just trying to look out for the sanctity of their operation. And that's why this young kid was given a position of power and a badge that says he's some kind of security that he looks out for this neighborhood and he just watches over it. And if there is anyone who just seems like a threat, especially a gringo with a fucking camera, filming what could be these houses where operations going on, filming people who are doing illicit activities and whatnot. Obviously he has to, you know, go address it. And he's a young kid and a position of power he gets a fucking gun. I get a point this gun at a gringo is the best day of my life. And like I said, I'm really glad that happened to me 'cause like I realize I'm like, you can't just go around the world and just like not take precautions. Like I want to do shit, like I want to go places like war zones, like how do you take precautions when you're going over? It's always the connection, it's always the connections. You need a good connect. So for me, it's just like just don't go alone somewhere. Go with someone you can trust and you can know. How do you know you can, especially when you're just meeting someone on the internet? Like how do you know? I mean, when I went to the South of Lebanon, that connect was through Arab, Arabs, the homie. I trust Arabs so much. Anyone Arab hooks me up with all trust. And sometimes, you know, like I didn't, I haven't trust people. Sometimes it's like, you know, maybe you make a connection and then you just abandon it. You know, I don't actually know if that's happened. Maybe it's just like, oh, we had plans for a couple days and I kind of like was after you just not feeling it or something. But yeah, like sometimes, or sometimes you go and you meet for coffee the day before or something like that. It's always facilitated through Instagram or something like that. But I think that Columbia experience is just like, do you can go do crazy shit in the world but under the right circumstances? You can't go into shit blind. 'Cause yeah, so glad to have to meet but definitely the most scary experience of my life. - It wasn't scarier than the cannibals. - Oh, the cannibals in a-- - That island in West Pupwa. - Yeah. - No, because I knew they wouldn't eat me. - How did you know the cannibals weren't gonna eat you? - Because the cannibals eat people that go to tribal warfare with and it's not out of sustenance. It's out of almost like a ritualistic, we defeated you purpose like they eat their heart and some shit like that. I look, I don't know the intricacies of it, but that's just the way we were talking to them. It sounds like this. They have enough food that they're good and also cannibalism had been outlawed there for 60 years, but we found someone old enough who had experienced cannibalism before the missionaries showed up and outlawed it. How did you hear about these people? - My friend Dakota had spent a lot of time in West Papua. That's a crazy thing about Indonesia. Like, people don't even realize like this is part of Indonesia. Indonesia is such a diverse country. This little analogy I will say is that like, okay, Indonesia is very wide and vast and we have all these islands in the very north, west of Indonesia is a place called Ache and they are under Sharia law. And then to the very east of Indonesia, is West Papua where they literally are tribal people who will walk through the town bare naked. - So what a dichotomy. - Yeah, what a dichotomy man. Talk about diversity. Yeah, so my friend Dakota has spent some time there and amongst the tribal people and I guess convinced me and my homie Jacob to come and I guess our goal there was to find a cannibal. Someone who ate a human. The first day we spent in our guide's village was to be fair is kind of more of a tourist experience where like, you know, they do put on the stuff and they do the song and dance. But that was awesome, you know. Like, they're not always wearing the traditional stuff every day of their life. But when you get deep into the communities, that's when they're not doing like the song and dance for the communities. Like, they're not doing the song and dance for the tourist. They legitimate where the traditional Kotika, which is this thing that goes over your penis that it's like a big rod and that's all they wear. And like I was saying, you'll see people walk through the town completely naked besides a Kotika like this. So I mean, I keep that fucking thing up. Yeah, exactly. They stay at the hardwood the whole time. Yeah, you can see, yeah, you can see them. Yeah, this is what a Kotika is on screen. Oh, can you not? Okay, that's okay. Maybe you can just show a Kotika on its own. I think, damn, it sucks you can't show it. Maybe with some censoring or something. God, that takes serious discipline. There's fucking rolling around. Bro, so when we were with the first village, right? One with the eye right there. You know, that's going to, that's down with the, yeah. What are we? That's going to show you what you need. No, they're completely naked. They don't have Kotika's on. My mind. What about, did you, do you want me to point out where they're actually wearing the Kotika's? Yeah. See those people there in that one? Yeah, click on that. If you zoom in, you can see they all have Kotika's on. See, see over the cocks how it's like a piece of wood coming up from the cocks? Are they, oh yes, it's tied up, as well. It's tied up, yeah. All right, so they could be soft. Yeah, yeah, no, you don't need to be chubbed up. It just keeps it in a chubbed up position. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. God, you make one wrong cut though, it could like. And that's all they wear. And in the more tourist villages, or like in the more tourist place that we went, they actually, like we purchased some of them and we put them on, and it was cheap. Like you was straight up helping us put it on. It's not like taboo there. It's just like, yeah, we're just gonna assist you putting it on and then take a little cup of the balls on the wall. Oh, more than just the balls. Like he was stuck. Oh, I put a finger up in too. You were stuck in the whole thing in there, man. There you go. And yeah, and then I went out and all the women approved. And yeah, we just danced around. What do you mean, all the women approved? I just went out and all the women were like, oh wait, go back, go back. Go back one picture. This is a mummy. So that's a mummy. So they'll mummify their ancestors. I think I saw this exact mummy. So if you had like a legendary chief or something, they will, when he dies, they'll bring him in a cave and they'll cover him in pig's fat and put him over a fire to essentially for five months, I think it is five months or something until he's completely mummified like that. And you know what dude? Like I was saying, the Kotika is sacred. So some of them have Kotika's that are in different shapes and whatnot. I think for just a general person, it's just a straight one. But some of them are different like bends and whatnot. So a lot of these chiefs, they're very proud of their stance and the village, their position. They have these interesting Kotika's. They got mummified with their Kotika's on. So like you'll find a mummy like this and you'll still see he's got the dong holder on. You just, yeah, he looks like a fucking saggy skeleton outside of Halloween. Yeah, exactly. It's fucking surreal. And you, in these villages, you'll find these all the time and they preserve them very well. Like in these huts, like they don't even, some of them don't even let them get into light. There's this one crazy one. I don't know how we made this connect but this felt like the most like raw travel shit. And it was just like, we just, we heard from our guide if you go to this house, this one guy will bring you through the jungle, then he'll call out to the village across the river to come pick you up in a canoe. He picked up us in a canoe, bear naked, brought us into our village, bought us into a fucking hut to see his mummified, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather. It felt surreal, that - We were just chilling in the hut. - Yeah, yeah, just chilling in the hut. So and you just get in there and you just sit down and you just chill with the crispy grandpa. And you just kind of chill, dude. And that's life there. - What am I looking at here? - In just some men. - So essentially in - Wait, what was she holding up there? - Okay, yeah, I saw that a little too fast. - There was, just say, about 60 years ago missionaries came to this land before that there was a lot of naughty behavior. - Right, maybe you wouldn't call it naughty 'cause it was normal for them. - You said that though, you were starting to explain that. So prior to that, they used to have tribal warfare and when they would win, they would do, didn't like the Aztecs do that too, where they'd like eat the heart, or I might have just sorry, Aztecs, I might have made that up. - It wasn't even their enemy. I think they would have a sacrifice, you know? We'll gotten a bunch of shit for this on the internet. - I don't think we're gonna be upset about that one. - Yeah, but no, I think you do have a fair point. I think it's pretty documented that they would sacrifice not even their enemy, just like young children and eat their heart in some shit. - So you met a guy though that has lived through that and had eaten another human heart? - Yeah, and he said his ghost was like haunting him, basically. - Oh. - And we asked him about everything about how they prepared it, how it was eaten, he said it tasted good. - He said the human heart tasted good. - Yeah, just the flesh in general. He didn't have the language. Yeah, the language skills didn't go into it. It was a game, he was it like this. That was it, was it similar to anything, but yeah, he said he tasted it. - How close were you sitting there this guy? - Well, he was very old. So if you try to make a fucking move on me, I'd slug that month. - All right, that's good. - Yeah. - No, no, no. He was like, dude, he was like fucking in his 80s. Like, he was old and he was like-- - But you weren't lying. - He was about, he was a man of high power. He might become one of those crispy, crispy, yeah. - Sounds like a little bit like Hunter Biden talking about crack, though. - Yeah. - He's getting a little excited. - Oh, he was getting worried about that. - He's so excited, bro. It was funny because like, okay, so what happened is, we got done the touristy village, and we made our way deeper into West Papua, and dude, none of you, the roads even fucking work, 'cause they don't even get fucking funding from the Indonesian government, 'cause they want independence and shit. We're basically like walking along roads until we get this tiny little village, and one of the guys hosting us, I think he was the school teacher, and he was very excited that foreigners were there. His name was Lawrence. Bless this always such a nice guy. And he's just like, "80, you want me to show you around?" I'm like, "Sure, why not?" And he brings us to his grandpa's house, and his grandpa comes out of the hut, and this isn't performative or anything. This just naturally comes out of bed, butt-ass naked besides the cotika. And so we go, and he was excited that like, "Oh, foreigners here, we can talk to them." He was excited to sit down and talk with us, and we thought we had a tread lightly. So what Dakota said was like, "Is it true the Yali tribe eat people?" And the Yali tribe is like their ops, basically. So it wasn't like, he didn't want to be like, "Is it true you eat people?" If he wanted a tread lightly, and he'd be like, "Oh, is it true?" Those savage motherfuckers out there eat people, you know? And then we kind of get into, we don't have what about here, like, and he's like, "Yeah, we do that, what we did do that too." And so it's like, have you ate a person like, "Yeah," and he was getting like, after, once we started getting it, he was getting real into it. Like, he was stoked. Like, we thought we were like, "Oh, maybe he's gonna be offended if we ask him this." Bro, he doesn't even know what America is. This dude does not have a phone. This is the one life he lived. Like, he was so stoked to talk about the good old days with my son, he was getting fired up. The person out the missionaries? (laughing) I don't know if people are in that way. What was it? Dave goes, "Is Cotica's raising up?" (laughing) Nature's by Agra. I'm enlisted on Cannibalism. No, but it's true. He's like, he gets like, probably not much exciting stuff happens in these village on a day to day basis. So when you get to talk about like, the most fucking intense time in your life when you're like a young- 20 year old going to battle and killing someone and then eating their fucking face. - So yeah, how did that work? Did he like drag the body off the battlefield and like roast it or you just fucking go ham right there? - Apparently, apparently yeah, they bring it back and they pig roast it like a (laughs) and then like the villagers, like whatever, like a piece gets kind of ready, they'll just go up and like pick off the red piece and like it's like a swarm, you know those swarm rescuers? It's just like when you take the layers they'll have like some get more cooked so like as like the outer layer is getting cooked, like okay, this piece is ready, take it off and then again, this is what I gather from our conversation with them. And dude, the crazy thing is, as much as this shit has been outlawed. - Oh, it's outlawed there? - Outlawed West Papua and Papua New Guinea. I mean, to specify on the geography, West Papua is a state of Indonesia. The island of Papua is divided into two. West Papua, state of Indonesia. And to the east of that is Papua New Guinea, it's its own country. But they share a lot of similarities as far as like tribal culture. From what I heard, like, I mean, we had to fly into this village that you could only access by playing called Wamanas. So it was very remote, but then people are way out there in like the highlands of West Papua. They could be living doing whatever they want. They say the tribal warfare is outlawed and we met people who said only two years ago they went to war with another tribe. And they'll go to war with another tribe, literally just on the block of the town. You can find this on the internet from Papua New Guinea, people going to trouble her of spears and bow and arrows and shit, and it's literally just on the street. - And there's two, she's taking pictures of that. - Yeah, I remember, like. - Imagine that. - I think it was like an Australian, I think I heard, I don't know how I heard this story. It was like something about an Australian ex-pat who lived in Papua New Guinea and he drove by these dudes and they're clearly like going to war. And he's like, what's going on? And he's just like, we're just fighting these guys over here. And obviously like since they're fighting the other tribe, they have nothing against this Australia. And they actually really love foreigners there. They're just like, yeah, we're just fighting these guys over there. - It's like watching a moose fight, but it's humans. - Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it did. It's crazy because you can still find tribal warfare. It's footage of it, Steve. - I don't know if it's footage, but three years ago. - Okay, don't put it on the screen, but let's see if we can see it on our end. Over here. - Well, just take the volume off. Let's see if we can find that the footage. - Duh. - Is there a. - Yeah, just footage. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Holy shit. - Look how big that is. - We definitely can't show this on screen. - All right, go back to that. Now just play it without the volume. - No fucking way. - No, they got like fans like watching up there. - Dude, and that's like. - Yeah, dude, you can just go and spectate. And they're literally like. - This is like. - There's new hundreds of them going to war. And they're about to fight on the street, bro. (laughing) Their battleground is literally like the paved street. So I guess they're trying to outlaw it, but like, bro, they're so down with the shits. So yeah, I wanna. Do you think I'd get canceled if I went there and just watched some of them? - No. No, it's like watching history. - What if I. - What if I participated in cannibalism? - Well, you'd get canceled for that. Yeah. - Wait, but that's a following reason. I will own that if people wanna. - There's a. - Yeah. - Yeah. - No, not the Army Hammer thing that was weird, but there's another dude. God, why am I forgetting who this was? Some guy went and visited like an active cannibal tribe and they made him eat something. Who the fuck was it? - Yeah, that's what he fucking says. - No, no, it's on video. - Yeah, but maybe he had like, yeah, maybe he had like. - He really wanted to do it and he's like, they're forcing me to, they're gonna kill me if they don't. That's what I'm just gonna say. If I had, that's what I would say. If I wanted to do it, be like, "Oh, I'm gonna be dinner tonight." Okay, okay, okay. - That's not it, there's, how was it? Was it the other guy? - Oh, I think it's Pierce Gibbon. I wanna say it's him. We definitely can't play the footage. He is shook, dude. Like having a catatonic fucking like. - Is he a journalist? - Yes. I'm remembering this from somewhere in the anals in my mind where I've seen this footage, but he's sitting around a campfire outside. It's daylight and the dude is like handing it to him hard and he has, I feel like I'm remembering that right. And he is fucking shook. - That's some of the craziest footage we've ever. - No, it's not it, that's not the guy. - Am I fucked up? - That's not the guy. - I'm kind of like upset. The new footage, it's H fucking D. - Am I fucked up to be like, I'm kind of interested in cannibalism. - Like interested in watching them do it? - Just in everything, every aspect of it, it's just. - It's extremely fascinating that a human being would eat another human being. - Right, you wanna eat the other human being? - Dude, I'm so dyslexic, right? I saw a post on Facebook the other day and it was something like. - Top one, the CNN one right there. That's the one we definitely can't play. - No, no, no, no, go back, that was the wrong one. The CNN one, we definitely can't play it. - No, those are goris, bro. I was gonna get into the agoris stuff 'cause I've met these motherfuckers too. - This dude was shook. It's Razer Aslan. - Dude, yeah, he. - But that's the thing, these guys are hostile. They're not gonna force you to eat or else they'll kill you, you know? - Yeah, I don't think, no disrespect to Razer. I don't think he's like that, you know what I mean? And I think he was just. - I wanna meet real agoris who actually participate in cannibalism because I have metagories but they're posters. Like I have a clip that goes insanely viral every time I post it and it's like one of these guys and he's saying like, oh, we eat humans like in all this crazy shit. But like I think they were more so posters like they've never actually done it. They were just kinda like the camera was rolling and they were kinda just saying their piece and being like, hopefully this tourists gives us money. But real agoris don't give a fuck about money. They're just in it for the love of the game, you know? So I would love to meet some real agoris who actually fuck with cannibalism. - This guy was saying to him, he's like, I'll cut your head off and fucking feed it to you though. - All right, I'd be like, let's fucking box, bro. Let's throw down right now and then together. - I'm trying, I haven't seen this video in a long time. - They're very. - I don't know if I can remember where it went and if they made him eat it, but he was shook. - There's fucking jerk, I mean, I'm for sure. - And people obviously, we couldn't show that on screen. It's probably his reasons. - But yeah, I agree, it is extremely fascinating. It's just like the, it might be like the darkest possible thing. Like. - Yeah, definitely. - Killing and eating your own kind. - The thing about the agoris is they don't kill them. Is they, they, the people get cremated on the gods of the, the Ganges. People go to the city of Veranasi and they believe if they're cremated or if they die in the city of Veranasi and they get cremated on the gods. That is like the final, not resurrection to heaven. I don't know if I'm quoting this Hindu belief accurately, but it's like that stops the cycle of reincarnation. Then they reach Nirvana, right? If you don't die in Veranasi and you don't get cremated, then you get reincarnated into who knows what, right? But if you go to Veranasi and you die, you get this stops that cycle. But if there's a lot of different types of people, if they die, they're not allowed to be cremated. That's things like children, someone who has leprosy or some other sickness, really specific ones, like if you got bitten by a snake. - They don't let you. - A cremate leprosy? - Yeah, if you die with leprosy, you can't cremate. If you got bitten by a snake, you can't cremate. If you're pregnant, you can't cremate. So a lot of these bodies that just get put into the Ganges and that's when these agoris take the bodies out of the Ganges and they eat them, essentially. This is just what I heard. But it's pretty proven, but like those agoris would tell you the same shit. They're very tense, they're very. They dedicate their lives to, I guess, religion, Buddhism, but just a very extreme form of it, where they cover themselves in human ashes, they eat human bodies, and yeah. - Well, again, you talk about environment. That's what they know. That's the dark part of it. I don't wanna make the wrong kind of comparison here, but there's something even way darker to me about say a serial killer who grew up in America, becoming a cannibal or something like that, 'cause it's like when you know it's better. When you see a remote tribe doing it, it's obviously fucked up, but you're like, damn, this is like a part of their ancient tradition that's beat into them from the time they're born. That's strange. - I would be very interested to do what that journalistic was actually like hang around the cannibals and see their traditions and just documented versus it's problematic when you're around people who go to tribal warfare and bad involves killing and whatnot, which, that's bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. But if you just have crazy people who are fishing dead bodies out of the river and they're gonna do it anyways, and it's like, okay, it might be interested in filming this. Hopefully it gets me canceled, that'd be funny. Yeah, hopefully it can go up there. - That's your line. Hopefully it can go up here as Morgan again. - Yeah. - What were you on for last time? - 'Cause I'm a tally bro. Like, 'cause he brought you on for that. - And shit, dude, it was so fucked up. - Do you condemn the Taliban? - Yeah, it's just like, he was giving me shit essentially just going to Afghanistan as a tourist. And I don't think you like that. - Dude, I was one of the only tourists who went there and actually talked about the gender apartheid. There's so many creators who went there, "Oh, it's not that bad, we're gonna have rights." You know, it's just like, I went there and it's like, "Hey, maybe it's not as bad as the Western media portrays it as like they're locked up in fucking cages." But still, I still think it is very bad. And I would like to commentate on it. Like, I don't like what's going on here, you know what I mean? I talked about it and dude, that's one of the things I wish I did more of like when you're talking about one and done. I just kind of wish I went there, talked about more 'cause I firmly believe in like that, like it's wrong. And I didn't like what I saw there, man. Like it was a beautiful country, but people, I've heard people went there, like it's the best place ever. Like people are so nice and shit. And like I went there and like, yeah, the people were nice, but I'm just like, dude, I did not like what I saw there. It was fucking sad to me, man. - Afghanistan. - Yeah, especially when it comes to like women's rights and the gender apartheid there, dude. It was just really sad to see. - Did you tell Pierce that when you were on? - Uh, not really. It was like, it was more me like kind of come to the defense of, I guess, Harry and Arrow. - Right. - 'Cause I mean, in an era but went in there and had conversations that no journalist has ever really had. And they're, they're giving them shit. The other girl on there, her name was Yalda. She was a journalist, I believe, for the BBC. And she was talking about, she went in there and she has questions and she got chased out by rocks. And she was like, well, what's the difference? It's like you were literally, the only difference between you and him is you have this multi-million dollar media conglomerate on your back. Well, Arab just an individual who went in there and you know, asked questions and sat and ate food with them. - Right. - What's the fucking difference, you know? - Yeah, let people see it. - And he came out with footage that no one has ever gotten. Me and him had very different nuance takes on the whole thing, but, you know, he should be able to go in and cover and bring it out and let the people see it. - Yeah, exactly. - No, I kind of wish like looking back at him. I think I was proud of like some of the stuff I did there. Like the small blurbs of conversations or like just things in the moment where I said, like talked about women's rights. But I kind of wish I did it a little bit more. But I was also scared as well. Like, dude, I was hiding my footage when I was leaving the country just in case, you know, like, oh, you came here to make YouTube videos, can we see what you saw? I would just make sure it's good and nice. And then imagine, did you, like, they saw you like talking shit? - You never know with the fucking Taliban government. - Yeah. - What could happen? So I was a little scared, but I kind of wish. I even said more, but I'm glad, I am proud of the stuff I said on that matter. Have you spent some time with like some of the remote tribes in the Amazon? - Yeah, I have. - What's that like? - So I spent time with the Warrani tribe. - Warrani. - I'll be honest, they do get a little bit of tourists. I mean, wouldn't say it's performative, but on a daily basis, would they go out and hunt monkeys? No, but they still want to do that to preserve their culture and their tradition. So, you know, we wanted to go and meet up with them, and essentially you see the practice of monkey hunting with blow guns. They make, they find a vine deep in the Amazon that has a poison, a tranquilizing poison, and they extract the, I guess, juices from this vine, and they put it on the tip of these blow darts, and then they take cotton to stuff it in there, and then they, and we use them, and we were fucking with them, and they got some fucking umph to them. Even like me, I don't got pipes like these big Warrani dudes. Like, you know, they got that, they can really blow on that shit, bro. So, but I was thoroughly surprised how accurate those blow guns were, like. - No, I don't know that one. We just put an apple up, and we were good, like maybe what, like 40 meters away from it, and it took me a while to hit it, but I eventually hit it. So, they have accuracy. So, they can really, like, get these monkeys in the trees, and when they get them, the monkeys are like in Mars, man, they're tranquilized, so it's, it's not like that kills them. It's just like, they get tranquilized, and they, they're just loosened their grip, and they just fall out of the trees, and then they kill 'em. - Yeah, then, then they kill 'em, yeah, basically. So, we spent three days hunting with the Warrani, and it took us to the third day to actually get monkeys, but we got three of them, 'cause we found a big-- - Like spider monkeys, or you know, ahhh, I don't know, the stereotypical monkey. To them, it's just food, you know? - That's so close to us in the evolutionary tree, man. - Yeah, oh, I've seen some of those videos, and I'm eating monkey, it's like, look. - At the same time, you know, unless you're a vegan, like your meat option is something that's went through factory farming, where this is the most ethical and sustainable consumption of meat. Just hunting. - Sure, but like, you know, maybe hunt something else, you know what I mean? - I mean, but they don't see it that way. They don't see as like, they see themselves as like a fucking, an animal in the jungle. Like, do you think, like when we see a lion grazing on a fucking gazelle, we don't, we like, that lion should have some remorse. Like, why, the gazelle is beautiful. Why don't you go kill something that isn't so beautiful? - Right. - Right, some shit like that, like, um. - No, I'm all, I'm obviously like, the people that sit at home and be like, we should all just go vegan, and this doesn't make any sense or absolutely out of their fucking mind. That's, I'm not against that at all. It's just like, a monkey is just a little bit dangerously close to a human for me. - That's just my thought. - I get it. And I guess, I never really made that connection. I mean, here, I'm the guy who's saying, I'm into fucking cannibalism. (all laughing) - What's that? - The skin was very rubbery, but when you got down to the meat, it was like kind of like smoky, it was like kind of like smoky and porky. And yeah, it's something like that, but the skin was just so rubbery and gelatine, as I couldn't get over that. So I only nibbled on it a little bit, but it was interesting, you know, to say that. - Yeah, that's more narrowed. - I monkey, in this, another interesting thing they eat in this village is, it's more of a beverage, it's called Chicha. - Chicha. - They take Yuka, Kasava, and they first they boil it, and then the women take it, and they chew it up, and they spit it out in this big, like, almost like a hollow canoe, that's like, 'cause they make it a massive batches. This is a job only for the women, it's sacred. Not the men go and kill their monkeys, the women, they chew the Yuka, and they make Chicha. The most, in the Amazon, Chicha's a very popular drink in the Amazon, you don't have to make it the traditional way, the spit way, but the spit way is the most traditional way of making Chicha, so they chew it up, mix it with saliva, they spit it out in the bucket, and they start mashing it up, and then I think they mix it with water. Chicha on, or sorry, Yuka, on its own, it's actually very dangerous to eat if it's not cooked. So they let it ferment for about a week, and so we did that at the start of the week there, and then by the time, by the end of our week there, we actually got to try the Chicha, and since it's been a week fermenting, it's a little boozy, so it's spiritual. They do a little Chicha dance, they present you your Chicha, and so you're essentially like drinking like, that it has saliva particles of the ladies. I mean, it's been seven days, so all the bacteria is probably filled off by now, but it's just kind of crazy, you know, like, you know, I mean, I posted all these clips, and people think it's so disgusting, and like, these ladies, like, just chewing it up, spitting it out, and then me, I mean, it just cuts to me drinking, and obviously there's a whole process in between that, the fermentation process. And this isn't just like, you know, people, I remember people would come, and be like, this is just like the drink they give to the tourists. I'm like, this is a beverage that is, and this is something, this is a practice that is thousands and thousands of years old. Like, do you realize how much experimentation with the jungle you need to go through to actually realize how we take this route, we chew it up, we make this beverage, how much experimentation of, like, oh, if we take this vine, it becomes like, tranquilizing, you can tranquilize these monkeys. Like, these people have clearly lived there in this jungle for thousands and thousands of years, and they're part of the jungle. - It's so cool that you get to go to all these places and experiences. Some stuff would not be for me. I'd be like, I'd be there with you. That'd be great. - I'd love to bring you somewhere, sometime. - Let's do it. - Let's do it. - I've talked with some of the other guys about this too. - What peaks are interesting? - Fucking everything, bro. - I mean, like, you saw, we went all over the map today. A lot of it does. - Would you be more into something that's natural? Like, the Amazon or-- - I've been to the Amazon for a couple weeks. - Would you be more something that's like, a little bit more politically, not politically charged, but more like maybe like a sensitive area. Like, who knows, like Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq? - I probably couldn't go to some of those places. - 'Cause of what you said on this, yeah. That makes a lot of sense. - There's about five, six countries in my mind that I will never set foot in. - Okay, for sure. - Brother, if you ever have any idea of a place you wanna go to, just hit me up. - Fuck you. - You can do something fun. - All right, everyone go subscribe to this dude. Seal on tour. Go find one on Instagram. We'll have the link down below. You can click if we collab this video. People can literally click on the top. title and subscribe. Fucking amazing videos man. I appreciate it. And I love I love your attitude going about it. You do a lot of different topics too, which is really fucking cool. So keep it rolling. I appreciate it. I appreciate what you do here. Thank you. I've been a fan for a minute. I appreciate that a lot brother. It's always cool to say. Awesome dude. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. 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