OMP #1 – Diego Borgo

Long story short, in three days, I made three grand, so that money got back to me that way. You know, and then I was like, yes, yes. Yeah, I figured out something that, you know, I think a lot of people take so long to learn a lesson, or sometimes they go through so much pain. And for me, it just cost me three grand, which is if you cannot fix a problem, you'll let it go. Or you try to fix it. You have two options. There is no like regrets or thinking about it, or going over it, or having heart feelings, you know, just fucking let it go. Welcome. This is our first interview then. We lied. We lied. A big moment. It is, man. After two hours of setup. But yeah, I mean, totally excited to be doing this, would you? So let's get stuck in. I've got some questions I'd like to ask. And I think it's cool if you just start with, yeah, tell me a bit about where you grew up. Yeah, a big one. I was born in Brazil, South of Brazil, a place of town called Kudichiba. For Brazilians, it's like a median size, like three and a half million people. So, you know, bigger than much countries, but Brazil is a large country. So yeah, cold town, South of Brazil, moved a lot from there, grew up in Sao Paulo, basically, you know, like my dad used to work for like super market chains in Brazil. So we moved a lot. Like he would be basically business development, or like, sort of like setting up supermarkets in locations. So we always would move a lot. So since I was like seven or eight would be moving. Like I moved houses to 25 times in 32 years. Okay. Wow. And then I guess that was also was a strain on like friendship that age as well and keeping in touch. Oh, it's tough. It's really tough, right? Like because two, like when you're six, seven, eight, you sort of, like kind of like figuring out and things you like, things you don't, and you have your friends, and you think like that your life is that, right? You don't, you don't think like, oh yeah, I'm going somewhere else and meeting new people. No, like this is my life. So the very first time one of my dads and like we're moving the first time. I was like, I was bad. You know, like my life is over. Like there is no life from here onwards, because I wouldn't, I wouldn't have my friends around, I don't have my family around. I wouldn't have my surroundings around anymore. So it was really tough. The first time I moved was really tough. But it was crazy. Like every time I would arrive in a new town or even a new place will be new school, new apartment, new friends, new, sometimes new culture, you know, new dialects because Brazil has loads of different dialects as well. Not that different, but still like people know you are foreign, people not a foreign, but you are aren't from there. So yeah, like that moving obviously was quite, quite intense in that sense, and you know, just like going around and being the new kid at school is always hard as well, you know, like when you're 8, 9, 10, 11, kids are very, very in, you know, so you're arriving to a new school. Everybody's just looking at it. There's this new guy in town. So like the tough guys in town that probably have picked on everyone, now have someone new to pick on, right? And you're just trying to fit in, you're just trying to blend, you're just trying to become part of that new community. So that was, that was very difficult in that sense, you know, and I just feel that in a way like that being difficult is what has shaped my personality today to be able to just blend in and fit anywhere I go. So I'm thankful for those experiences, but back then was tough. Sounds tough. I mean, I guess it makes you more resilient, but in a way, it probably also makes you have this like, like defense around you. If you keep moving from school to school, you're probably already thinking like, I know what's going to happen again. I know what shit's going down. So then do you find yourself like even just being able to be happy on your own a bit more? Yeah, like it's a good point, like there are different ways of approaching that type of thing, right? Like you could definitely become defensive and excluded and like be a lonely wolf, but that stuff as well, because then you don't make a new friends. So the approach I took was like, I just went there and like tried to blend, tried to fit, you know, tried to be myself as much as possible. And sometimes you get pushed back, sometimes you get bullied, sometimes you get accepted, and you just figured it out, you know, like sometimes you do stuff that, you know, people don't like that. So okay, better, you know, treating different. But I don't feel like I am a lonely wolf in a way, but I just like from early on, I was really able to understand who I am, what I like, how I want to be, how, you know, I want my life to be. A lot of self awareness played a big role in that sense. So whenever you go, like, no matter what happened, you're going to be all right. You know, you're going to figure it out. And sometimes it lasts for three months, you know, I literally moved to a new house in a new state in the country, in a new school, and I stayed three months. And I had to have like this after another place. I mean, I think it's quite brave and shows a lot of character at that early age, you know, to be able to not become introverted or think like fuck it, like, and just, you know, not even bother trying to make new friends or just, you know, you go for the new place, new place, and you just keep yourself to yourself. But it seems like you had the opposite where you would like, okay, cool. I am who I am, like, I still want to enjoy life enough, some friends, even if it's for three months. So I'm just going to go live and be myself, because then at least if people don't like me, I'm still being myself. If they do like me, it's like, you're just being true to yourself. Yeah, that was very important. That was something I figured out really early, because you know, there's just a certain amount that you can fake, right? Like, are you can pretend or you can sort of like try to adapt to whoever is in the other side of the table? And if you have to do that like 25 times, there's a point that just like, fuck it, you know, like, it's not worth it. So I figured out really early that like, I'm going to be who I am, and, you know, like, people going to accept it or not, and it's going to be tough, it's going to be hard, but it's going to be real. So that, that sort of like, touch me a lot of things. But it was really cool, you know, like just moving to different places in Brazil, like you move to a very soft Brazil, which is in the border of Argentina, Uruguay, and other areas, which the language is different. The culture is different. So, you know, we would go on weekends and like learn about the culture or, you know, just be to different type of cuisine or learn new expressions and stuff. So that was, that was kind of like where all this traveling, you know, passion and traveling and need, I have like need to move, need to be on the go, need to, you know, have this sort of like dynamics in my life. I think that's where a lot of it's coming from as well, which is, which I'm really grateful that I have, you know, and also like exploring, learning, getting better, becoming better. Because, you know, once you start meeting new people, people are interested or excited about people that are interested, you know, that have started to tell, that have something to say, or, you know, and as soon as you start moving so much and start learning those things, you start like picking up little bits from everywhere, and that builds your character. I mean, 25 times moving around. So you must have become like a whiz pack in your bag. I mean, I've been on some trips with you. I don't know that you travel light. Is this been something that you've always been good at? Well, like, the funny thing is that, like, this type of like, I love minimalism, right? Like, I try to, I try to apply as much as I can. Not, not for the sake of like, just being minimalist, but for me, time is the most important thing that we have, right? It's the only thing you cannot buy, you know, you can sell, we do that with work, but you cannot buy more time and it's limited. And it is the same for everyone. There is a point that it's gonna, like, it's gonna cut off. Time is over. Life's over, done. So for me, as soon as you start like owning a lot of stuff, you investing your time to buy that stuff, right? And you're investing your time to like, take care of that stuff and to manage that stuff. So from early on, like, because you had to move, I had to move so much, I was always like kind of like, oh, I don't need so much, because you know, like, I'm gonna be moving anyway. Is it gonna be going somewhere anyways? So like, we usually had like those companies coming and picking and packing stuff for us, which was handy because it was all paid by the company. But I never was attached to things or to places or to locations or to people, even, which is really crazy, just because I was always in the go. So for me, it was like natural afterwards. Like, when I travel now for six months, that I have like seven kilos or eight kilos, like, that's it. You know, like, I don't need more. And it's not like because I want to. It's just because it's really connected to me with like time and mobility and freedom. So like, if I have a bag that's worth nothing, like, I'm not worried about it, you know, like, if I'm going to like a country, like, we travel, for example, through Central America, ride like Nicaragua, Costa Rica, like, we did the whole Central America a bit. Some places are more dangerous than others. And if you want things that are expensive, you always concern. If you don't know anything that's worth it, just like, fuck your bag anywhere and just go and like, you're going to be fine. Or you're getting buzzes or trains and all like so. So yeah, for me, like, that came naturally and I still applying that to today as much as I can. So, you know, I have last things to have more time. And like, do you have any highs of this youth of traveling around and like, do you have any like, what's your like most memorable, I don't know, moment at school or meeting new friends and favorite place to live? I'd also like to hear like, like, you know, a shitty time as well. Like, do you remember like something that happened in the playground when you were young or or moving to a really shitty area and can't wait to move to the next place? Yeah. Well, like the, the ups, I think what was really cool from the all of that is just the exposure to the new, you know, like, I think that we as humans are, you know, we just, we just like get so attached to places and things and locations. Because it's comfortable, you know, you don't need to learn new things, you don't need to learn any way to work, you don't need to learn a new language, you don't need to learn a new cuisine, you don't need to learn how a new place works. So it's convenient. It's less, it's less stuff in your mind. Your mind's less busy because you are on autopilot. You know, the way to work. So you've basically drive there on autopilot, you know, the language, autopilot. So for me, like, there is not one moment, but I think the overall aspect of being able to learn new things and be exposure to new things all the time, it's what made me really excited, you know, like, you just get to a new place and I go like, like, there's nothing here that I know. So I need to figure it out. You need to start exploring several different buckets. And that I always find very, very exciting. Like what I mentioned before, living the very south of Brazil, like we would go to traditional centers that they wouldn't, you know, display the way they do barbecue. It's very, very heavy in the fair south of Brazil. They do barbecue on the floor, for example, you know, the red horses. You have the go-show culture. So that was so dope because, you know, like, I never seen anything like that before. So like that part of the country, I really enjoyed could be a highlight. And it was spent a lot of time with my dad as well, which is really cool because my dad was hustling like 16 hours, you know, to put food on the table. You know, our family comes like from a humble background. My mom was pregnant when she was 17. So, you know, he was hustling and working hard to make sure that they would have a better education. So there, I happened to spend a lot of time with him, which was really cool too. So that, like, that stops the down, and the downy stuff because, I mean, again, like being the new kid, you get bored a lot of times, because you're different, you know, like people like would just speak on me because they were speak, because they were a drags, because the way I am. And like, you arrive in a new place to try to make new friends. And like, everyone is just like fucking busting you, you know, just because you're different, that stuff. So that was really tough. But again, that builds a lot of resilience, as you said, you know, also because of my background, you know, I, and my dad like working so much, and I'm being able to give us a better life. I happened to go to schools, private schools, that people that were there just had much more money. So like, they sense from day one that, you know, you're coming from a different background. So they treat you different as well. You know, I'm not like saying that I was poor or anything like that. It was just like, just didn't have much, because my parents were very young. But people sense check that difference. And then a lot of times, in different schools, I went to really good schools. And then people just did pretty different, you know, oh, you don't have a game, boy, like, what the fuck? You know, you don't have the latest new characters or stuff. Like, we just couldn't afford it. But, you know, I was going into great schools, so I could have a better life. So there was stuff like the whole bullying or the whole sort of, like, yeah, just being different, man, is hard, you know, he's hard when you don't get in. And you think it's about you, you think, oh, yeah, it's because of me, because, you know, the way I am, so you tried to fit in and you tried to shape yourself. So imagine like, you have a bunch of squares, you know, and then you were a circle, and then you tried to put your circle inside of those squares, and it doesn't fit. So what you're going to do is try to become the square, rather than, you know, just stand out as a circle. So that's kind of like what was difficult back on time. But, you know, as I said before, that gave me the strength to figure it out who I am or you don't give me enough stuff for, and it's just like, yeah, fuck it. If you don't accept me, I'm cool. Like, I'll do my thing. I mean, again, that's like inspirational to hear, because like, a young age, you can go many ways with that kind of, you know, bullying. I mean, kids are horrible, aren't they? Kids are nasty. I mean, they don't even realize what they're doing because it, but it's just, you're right. You said it so well. It's like, man, I'm just turned up to a new place. I'm just trying to be me. I'm excited. And you just busting my balls for the reason that it's just tough. I mean, okay, so I mean, you had this interesting experience growing up back home, and fast forwards from years, and now you're in Germany. How did that happen? That's a long one. It's a good story, though. It's a, it's a journey. So fast forward from childhood to being like, I don't know, like me 20s. Nah, not me 20s, early 20s. So move the, move the lot. And then I end up in São Paulo, which is the biggest, like, largest in number of inhabitants, city in Brazil, massive city, crazy, crazy jungle. I mean, you grew up in London, so probably we sort of like talk the same language in that sense, but like, really, really busy. And I was living there from, since I was 14, I read there on one of 14. And that was again, right? Like countryside kid coming to the big city. Like three and a half million people, it's countryside, right? In the city that had like 40 million inhabitants in the state. So people are like, become my accent, you know, the way I say certain words and stuff. So being there since I was 14, and then two, two was 24, 24. So I lived there for 10 years, basically, in São Paulo. And there, you know, I had jobs and different things started. I started working really early, so I started working when I was 14, not because I had two, but because I wanted to. You know, I was, I was studying like computers, having computer class. And then the guys came to me and said, Hey, listen, like we sort of like like the way you're doing the course, do you want to maybe become like a trainee or that? Why not? You become a trainee. And then I was assisting teachers in basically hosting classes. And then they liked the way I was assisting the teachers, like, oh, you want to become a teacher. So I basically became a teacher when I was 14, which was I'm still a little insane. 14 to 15, let's say 15, and the 14, which was absolutely insane. And obviously, because those students were paying money, they wouldn't like be happy to hear that someone that's 15 is holding classes to someone that's like 40 or 35, you know, all in experience, stuff, and prejudgments and stuff. So I had to like, like, nice clothing and pretend that I would be older. And if like, you know, sometimes people would ask my ages, like, yeah, I'm just 13 and stuff. But I'm like 15, you know, like, don't have like anything, like license or anything. So that was fun. So I started working there. And then, you know, had different jobs working in the agency, advertisement agency as well for for quite a while, which was really cool. And then that's where a lot of creativity, it could put a lot of creativity in place where I worked with like big clients, like Red Bull Senseung and other clients like that, which was really exciting and really like lifestyle type of thing from there went to another company and there is where things start shifting a little bit. So I was like, was in a relationship for like two and a half years, I had my car, I had a really cool job, like a really, really enjoyed this job, you know, we were basically, it's really crazy as a side story, but it's a really crazy company in Brazil that basically they get different products from China. And my job was they would get like a new invasion from China, any type of like either tech or sometimes things to help household and stuff like that. They would put on my table and say like, okay, we need to sell this product, that's the price, which was always like 10 times whatever they were paying. So very, very high margin, very high value, you know, value to the product. And then I would say come up with a concept, you need to do a movie, you need to do packaging, you need to do the communication, you need to do like everything, this is the product, they're just features, that's a feature list. And then we would develop the whole thing, you know, the communication, go to studio, record, brief, get actors in, make them act and write scripts and stuff, like that. So it was really, really cool, like it was a 360 experience where you could explore a lot of creativity. So I love the job. That's what I'm trying to say. I had a girl for two and a half years, I didn't need to talk much about it. Had my car as I said before, I was living like really comfortably, had money, it was like party, having fun, perfect, early 20s. So just like everything was like, yeah, almost just like easy. Life is great, right? Life is great, you're sad. If you keep on this path, you know, you're going to build a career, which is going to be great, you know, if the relationship goes well, you might get married, have kids, you know, get better cars, buy bigger apartment, like I was sad. I was like 20, probably 22. I finished university, I finished a mastery marketing, one of us 20, 23 to 24. So like life is perfect. There's nothing else, you know, make good money, everything, everything's there. And then, and then I was just watching, you know, a movie calling to the wild, a lot of people might know it. And I remember that as it was a bit today, you know, I just watched in the movie, in short, like the movie's about like a guy that wants to go in and venture to Alaska. And he's just like, you know, just hitchhike and going around and a lot of philosophy about life and the end of life and finding, you know, different ways of living life and the ways that sometimes the society puts in front of us is not necessarily the best way. So he's just questioning a lot of things. That's the movie. It's a great movie, by the way. I recommend to watch that. So watching it, and I'm just like, whoa, like that blew my mind, right? I was like, fuck, man, like there's so much how they're explore. There's so much things to see. I'm happy. I have everything to have. I know how my peps going to be if I carry on because I know people, you know, like what I do a lot is like, look to someone that's doing what you're doing right now. Someone that's five or 10 years ahead of you, look how their life is, you know, what they have done. And that's kind of like a trick to see how your future is going to be. A benchmark. Right. So I looked a lot of people that were doing what I am doing five, 10 years before. And I saw where they are. And I was like, that really where I want to be almost like scared in a way. I'm not ready to see. It's like a crystal boy. You're so into the future. I was like, I'm not ready to get a house or, you know, like, I still not ready to buy a house. And just building this whole career thing. I mean, that's a lot of energy. You know, like I know, I know I'm capable of. I know I can do it. I just don't know if it's for me. Anyways, watch the movie. Finish the movie. I was like, this blew my mind. Like, I want to do that shit. You know, and from I want to do that shit to buying a ticket and moving to Canada was about like one and a half month. Wow. You move fast. See what you just like, what did you do? Sell the car. Break up. Break up my relationship. Well, we were like, we planned to have like a trip, like proper trip in Latin American, South America, basically. I even pulled the card on that. I was like one of the hardest decisions I ever had to take. But I knew that I was facing a moment in my life. Those are like, you know, those type of moments that if you go left, your life's going to be like that. And if you go right, your life's going to be like that. The blue pill or the red pill, isn't it? Exactly. It's exactly that moment, like, which one you get to take, you know? And I just knew that, you know, it was really, really, really, really hard. But I know that if I wouldn't have taken that decision at that point, I would have to take that decision in the future, which sometimes is much harder because you have more commitments. So I had to take it. Like, how old were you still at this point? I was 23 to 24. Yeah. So it's, I mean, everything's difficult, but it's still an age where you can make these decisions. But again, I mean, it's, I'm not sure a lot of people would be thinking that way at that age, you know, they would just be, I don't know, getting on with life. Maybe life is like just going past them. Maybe they're just partying and, and, you know, all of a sudden you get to a certain age and look back and think, what happened? Whereas you were lucky enough to watch this movie. And then one and a half months later, you ended up in Canada. Exactly. So yeah, so what I was saying is basically that right had to take the decision, took the decision. And then I was like, you know, one after another, like, get rid of the car, quit the job. And the crazy things, like, I love the job was incredible. I'm not, not bullshit. You don't have to say it. I did love it. I went to quit. And then my, my, my, my boss at that time came to me and said, like, oh, you know, like, we really enjoy working with you. Like, and we were planning to give you a promotion. So I was to become like a manager in a company I really like. And working with people I really like. So like all those things that were tasked, you know, like, like, I had my car, which means free done. And I had to give it away. I was in a relationship, which I was really enjoying. And there was feature in it. But I had to give it away. I wasn't a job that I was really enjoying. And I mean, again, I was just about to be promoted. And, you know, like, I was 23, you know, start managing people, which, you know, is calling a big company. I had to give it away. You know, like, friends, family, you give it away. So like, that's the point. Like, that car was so strong that I just went like, boom, that's it, you know. And then why Canada? The movie is a lot about nature. It's a lot about like, you know, cold and like, oh, this kind of like exploring new places, which I wasn't sure about because I wanted to surf. But either go to Gold Coast to California, but those places where Gold Coast is really expensive. California is really tough to get the visa. And then Canada showed up. And I was like, I'm not going to Canada. There's just fucking bears in Canada. I'm not going to Canada. You didn't know anything about Canada. And then I just like Google like Canada. And then I saw this amazing picture of a national park. It's called Banff National Park as in Rocky Mountains in Canada in, in British Columbia. And that lake and that scenery is like, man, like, I didn't even knew this place exists. But now I cannot live without going there. So like, I'm going to Canada because I saw that picture, which is really crazy. And then yeah, fast forward, quite everything left everything behind. Troll some crazy kick ass party before I left. So crazy stuff. Jumping and playing and went to Canada. I didn't know anyone. And that was exactly my goal. I want to go to play the no one knows me so I can be exactly how I am and who I am. Okay. So what you ended up in Canada speaking Portuguese and English. I mean, I mean, that's Brazilian Portuguese. Yeah, that's right. Almost none. Right. So basically I did some some English courses in Brazil back up time. We had classes at school. But I always like hate at school. Right. Like the system itself still do I think that is a very old fashioned way of looking. I think we still like in the 18th century when he comes to education. It's a conversation for another day. But um, bottom line is like I did English classes and stuff, but it wasn't definitely good enough. Like not at all. So I got to the country and, right, one part I'm saying is that I went there to do an exchange. So you know, in conversations with my mom, I was like, how long did thing you should go? And then she was like, oh, yeah, I think you should go for like three months. And then you sense check and see how it is. Maybe maybe you want to come back. I was like, okay, if my mom is telling me to go three months, I have to go at least for a year because she's coming from a protective motherhood type of feeling that she wants me to be safe and protected. So I have to do the opposite if I want to grow. Right. So I went for a year like straight. I had money to stay like three months. Went for a year didn't spoke English. I could get a visa that was a work, a work in travel. So basically you can work six months, travel six months or vice versa, work in travel and work to study it actually. So you can like study and travel and work. Anyways, got there, had money to stay three months, didn't spoke English and then went straight to school and then you know, like English coast or learning some English there. But then the real thing for me is like my time is sticking, right? Like if the money is over, I left my house, right? And for me, leaving my house means you buy your own right now. I wouldn't feel comfortable going back. I wouldn't feel comfortable asking for any favor. So the day I walked out of the door from you, it was like you were by your own now, right? You're going to do your own thing. So three months worth of cash. And then I basically just start doing things, you know, start figuring out different jobs, start trying with my great English to convince people to give me some jobs. Obviously like office jobs and all of it was out of scope just because one, the language and two, you need a whole process to be hired by a company. So the first thing I did was just walking through one of the main streets of Vancouver, what I was living at, and there was like a massive van shop opening up. I was like, dude, that's so cool because I love surf and love skateboarding, I love vans with great brand, great products. It's like, I want to work here, you know, like whatever, because for me working as a seller would give me the opportunity to train better even my English, you know, and make someone inside obviously. So I apply for it. And then I was basically there and like trying to communicate and stuff. And it's like, yeah, my English isn't that good and stuff. They're like, oh, do you speak Portuguese? Like, yeah, it's my mother language. Oh, yo, cool. We have a lot of Brazilians here that speaks and they speak no English. They buy a lot, but they cannot communicate. So we need someone that speaks Portuguese. And it's like great. And then like to speak Spanish, it's like, mm-hmm, like, you know, Portuguese and Spanish is very similar. Every Brazilians say they speak Portuguese because it's big, it's big Spanish because similar, but I didn't, you know, like, it's just like, yeah, I figured out. So I got the job and you know, I was studying and then working in this job, but it was really bad paid. I think it was like 10 bucks an hour or something like that, kind of $1,000, like, and the rent it's like 600 bucks in downtown, right? So it's like, okay, this is for fun. This is for lifestyle. This is where I'm going to improve my English a little bit better. It's cool as well, and I start getting some other jobs that I would be able to actually make money with, right? So again, like, different areas of your life, how you can improve, right? You choose that and then you go there and play the role and go here and play the role. So learning English is cool and vans and liking it. And then I start working like, it's no removal overnight. So they will be really well. So I will be praying for his know and then it's no will come. They will ring me like 10, 10 p.m. and say, hey, dude, it's going to, it's going to snow. Like, we need you. And then I will run and get a shovel and take snow out of the streets. Construction site, working in construction a lot, like building house. There is a lot of Chinese in Vancouver and have loads of money in this area. And then it would have building expansions and companies would just pay us to go there and help. There's where I learn a lot of Spanish too because, you know, Mexicans, there's a lot of Mexicans working on construction, paying, cleaning, you know, doing small jobs. And they're like great people, a lot of Mexican culture. So I end up learning Spanish, which helped me obviously to get better at selling shoes and stuff. So it's like, he's a whole he's a whole process. But yeah, as long started short, I didn't, I didn't spoke Spanish, neither English one. I want to go to Canada. And now you speak like multiple languages. I say to everyone like, I learned Spanish in Canada. And everybody's like, whoa, yeah, I learned, I learned Mexican in Canada, which is, which is different than Spanish because I just love the Mexican culture from his most interesting culture ever. Got exposures to and the people, the language, the food, like I fucking love Mexican. It probably was Mexican in under life. And you know, I'm just like, I love it. So I learned Spanish there. English obviously in Canada. And yeah, I speak German too. So that's kind of like, that's where I am at. And so you had this, you had this adventure in Canada. So how long did you stay there the full year? Like, how did you then? 12 months, yeah. 12 months. And then like, how did you make that move into Germany? I mean, that's still another leap into Europe. Yeah. I mean, that's love. That's that's easier. That was the easiest of all of that. You know, like, time I was at school and, you know, just like, living the life. And I think, man, it's so crazy that, you know, what I was saying before is that basically I moved to Canada so I can't, I moved to Canada and I haven't got to know anyone there. So, you know, it was the first opportunity in my entire life that I could be 100% myself because nobody knows you, you know, so you don't need to pretend or you need to do that social thing. Nobody knows you. It can be anyone. You can fake it or it can be 100% real. So by being in real and being myself, I started attracting like all types of people, you know, and people, I think people have like a very great rudder for people that are real and they get attracted by it. So, you know, it was really cool because it meant so many people. We did so much stuff. We travel like I did like five or four or five road trips in Canada, like all rocket contents, I think like 4,000 kilometers back and four road trips and stuff like that. A lot of different people. And I feel like I wasn't a state that I was so happy and so real and so raw and so myself that was just a magnet, you know, and I ended up finding like a little bit of my life on the way with that way, you know, like we saw each other. We had a thousand percent different, but the very second we look at each other, we both know and remember as it would be right now, the very second we felt in love, which is crazy. And I feel that all of that is just connected to pure happiness and pure, you know, just being yourself. Like I think that's the main thing, you know, there is if I would have been lean Brazil and should have visited Brazil and should have like met me on the way, I'm 100% that that would have been different, you know, because she met me the way I am and she loved me the way I am and vice versa. And that was just like, you know, so yeah, that's how I end up in Germany. She's German. Okay. So what was that? A quick process though. I mean, by the way, it sounds amazing. Love it first sight. It doesn't happen for everybody. So that's super cool. And I think, yeah, the fact that you were yourself and you had that human element, you were just like, like you said, raw and natural. And I mean, yeah, you're right, that comes across so much stronger, instead of if there's ever any fake nursing people. But yeah, so you did you just what, take a flight back to Germany? What was she doing in Germany? Canada. Yeah, she went there to learn English to a lot of brush up her English in Europe. Obviously, people speak much better English, because you need that much more than in Brazil, because it's such a massive country. And there's no one that we want to speak English to because the next country is like 10 hours away. Anyways, so she was there for for brushing up English. We met. It was a crazy process in a way, because again, right? How do you how do you go from being broke, not wanting to ask for money for anyone doing like baseline jobs, like construction, selling shoes, there's no removal to be able to move to an expensive country where you don't know anyone. You don't have any networking. You start to get better at a language that will be needed in this country, but like people in big German are not English here, right? So that was like a lot of like barriers on the way. You know, so what I've done is very easy like first or second week, it took the cause like, I don't know where you're from. I don't know where you live. I don't know how your house is. I don't know how your life is, but I'm fucking going whatever you are. You're like, that's it. I go. I follow doesn't matter. I'll figure it out. So that call was taken. And then I just started like trying to figure out the financial side. So I found like some, man, I got crazy lucky on some aspects. I know by being unlucky, I got lucky here. I think that was happened. So, you know, I got a box show box made a hole in it and it rolled like ticket to Germany. And like, I would hustle every day for every single penny I could get my hands on and put in that box as they like one this box full. I'm going to Germany, right? And on the way of it, I started like really, really, really trying to find jobs. I had like three or four jobs at the same time. I was living like four hours, three hours and times. I had a fun. I asked a friend of mine. He lived alone in the bigger flat. And I asked him if he wouldn't mind me camping for two months on his living room with a proper tent. Because I didn't want to spend money on rent. So I could save money quicker. And I literally camped on his living room for two months. Like I built a tent on his living room, shout out to him Pablo for, for letting me do that. And like, I lived there for two months in a tent, you know, because I was working all the time. It wasn't worth paying rent, because man, I was just like on the streets making money, right? And then, yeah, that's a funny side topic. He would throw bodies, and I would just like, unzip my tent and look out. Hey, what's up guys? Zip it back. Go back to his living room. I'm like, oh yeah, I can't live in my couch. No, I put a fucking tent. At least he had your private space. That was the whole point. So yeah, I was working in construction for like, I don't know, six in the morning to like three, four o'clock and then going to Vance. And then after Vance started finding some side hustles, which was basically one Russian guy. I remember that. He was, he hit me up. I was like, hey man, yeah, you're looking for a job. Maybe there's some construction job here. You can come over and do it. I was like, yeah, cool. Let's do it. I came to him. He offered me like 40 bucks an hour. There was four times more than it was getting at Vance. I was like, okay, great. That's gonna accelerate the whole process. He wanted me to do like some laying in wall and help help on construction in that sense. And then basically what happened is a work for this guy for two weeks. So do the math, right? You're working like six, five, six hours a day, times 40, times two weeks. I think it was about like two and a half or almost three grand. I was like, that's my ticket and that's money that I can have to stay in Germany. At least for a period, right? One month or two months or anything. That's perfect. Finish the job. The guy vanished. He vanished. Was the toughest job I ever had. By the way, I had to work outside, was winter. I was basically cutting very, very big stones with like water cutting salt. You know, so the water comes in to make cutting easier. My hands were frozen. The water was frozen. It was snowy outside. Each piece of those stones would wait like 25 kilos was stuffed, but I went through a two-week straight and the guy vanished. He vanished. And like, I'll call him. Hey man, what's up? He was like never picking up, never picking up. I went back to the construction site. I was never there. I was like, yeah, what happens now, man? You know, like three grand. It's gone. The first feelings that come to you, just like you're gonna go there, you're gonna get a hammer, you're gonna put everything down, I'm gonna burn it. How is he gonna flip this guy up? This is the first feeling yet on your guts, right? And then you start thinking through, you know, like, what does that add value to you? How, how you think? You know, things gonna go if you go that way. He's gonna make things more complicated. He's in the right approach. You know, it's something that he's gonna need to do in life. You know, you're good. Like, he's gonna do it that anyhow. I don't mind. So that was crazy. So that basically my, that was the first time in my life that I learned one of the most important lessons I ever had, which is there's two ways of approaching problems. One is you do something to change it and you make it somehow better or you fix it or you try to deal with it or you let it go and forget about it. Because if I couldn't fix it, I couldn't find a guy. I couldn't get a cops there. I didn't have like a contract with him, you know? So if that will be my mind, I lost three grand, I lost three grand, I lost your grand, I lost your grand, I'm not like getting the trick grand back, right? So I just let you go. It's like cool. Let it go, man. Yeah. You gotta deal with it. No problem. No heart failings. Maybe he needed it. I don't know. I don't care. After I had that conversation with myself, which obviously it was a hard process and took me couple couple days to go through my phone rings. And then this guy rings me. Like, oh, man, I've seen you on this Facebook community latinos because I was posting about parties and trying to figure out where to go and trips. And I'm like a party organizer and stuff. And I have a deal with you. It was almost new year. I have a deal with you. I have some tickets here for a party that I'm trying and you can sell them and give you a bunch of tickets. And basically each ticket costs five bucks. You put the price you want on top of it. You give me five bucks back and you keep the rest. Keep the difference. I was like, whoa, that sounds like a great deal because, you know, like, new year's scarcity. I knew like every one in town because of this cool and, you know, like, just meeting different people. I was like, perfect. So then I do the setup, start like calling my friends, hey, man, I'm going to this party. You guys want to go call your friends. Like in three days from like, I didn't sleep for three days. I was basically people like, ring the amen. I heard about this party. Like, but I'm leaving like, I don't know, like 20 kilometers away. I'll get my skateboard and like, fucking go to any kilometer of the skateboard. You know, like Vancouver has a lot of downhill. So that's easy. And then we'll bus to go back. Man, long story short, in three days, I mean, three grand. So that money got back to me that way. Yeah, I think I figured out something that, you know, I think a lot of people take so long to learn a lesson or sometimes they go through so much pain. And for me, it just caused me three grand, which is if you cannot fix a problem, you'll let it go. There is no like regrets or thinking about it or going over it or having hard feelings, you know, just fucking let it go. I mean, regret is one of the, I never tried to regret anything. I mean, or I regret what I do, not what I don't do. You know, that kind of philosophy, but regret doesn't get you anywhere. Regret doesn't give you three grand back and you talk it. And then with that tree grand, I got the Germany. So I bought the ticket. And how long after were you literally like, it's just dying to get to time, I know, short on time because my visa was almost expired in Canada. I went to come to Germany. So I think it was a month before, a month before. So I got the money, filled the box, the box was full. And I was like, oh, I can buy the ticket. Now I have money to stay three months. Maybe that allows me to stay three months in Europe. I'll figure out, let's see if this thing works. Let's see if we even are able to, you know, go along. We didn't know each other. Like, I'm coming to move to a different country. To move in with a person, I haven't spent much time with. I'm just like, you know, we had some obviously interactions and stuff, but we didn't know each other. I'm like, I'm going fucking another one went arrived to Germany. And then, yeah, they stay here for three months. I was very lucky to get to know a gentleman that he used to work for, he used to be a motorcycle rider. And he used to work for a company, an Austrian company. And then when I arrived, I was talking to him, a friend of her dad. And I was like, and I'm looking for a job like, I'm keen to do anything. You know, I came here for her. I came here to stay. Whatever you know, I'll do it. I was like, I was literally two months ago. I was like, painting or removing snow from the streets. Like, you know, like, probably whatever show up is going to be a bit better than that. Like, it's not a problem. So give me. And then he goes, yeah, there's this company and, you know, they want to hire someone and they need this and this and this and this and this and this background. I ticked all the boxes with like marketing, digital marketing, language. They wanted to expand to Brazil. They need someone to manage the Latin American market, which you know, he's picking Spanish, you know, mastery market. I take all the boxes and I was like, dad's insane. And that was like my first month here. And then, yeah, a lot of process, a lot of process back and forth, back and forth, end up getting the job, which was an Austrian, which was really crazy. So at the same year that I was like struggling with the construction side, struggling with that Russian guy, losing that money, hustling to be here, working hard, trying to find, trying to follow my heart as much as I could. At the same time that that all was happening, I landed like a very great job being like working on headquarters and being the manager of 18 countries in Latin America at the same year. That's my blowing, right? Because that's what like, that's what drive and just believing in the process and you know, like just going through things and hard working, touching me, you know, like you can, you can shift your life that quick if you put enough effort into it, you know, and that happened. Sounds like you know, you've got a bit in it to win it. That's what we would say in the back home. And it's, it's like, I mean, not giving up, just keep going. Like you said, having that belief just to keep, keep driving. And you know, there's sometimes some luck involved, but I think it's also the fact that you're always putting yourself in a position for something fortunate to happen to you. So it's like, I don't like to use the word luck because sometimes that makes it sound like you did fuck all and someone just like handed you a gold and ticket, you know what I mean. But um, okay, so then you're in Austria now, but you'll go for a sit in Germany or what? How's that? Yeah, she's living in Munich. I was living in Austria. I was driving 800 kilometers a week to see her. I came to to Europe because of her. I would have come to Germany probably not nothing against Germany, but like, there's a lot of countries that I could have gone first if I would like to, but I didn't. So I wanted to stay with her. And at the same time, I'm living like 200 kilometers away, you drive 800 kilometers back and forth a week to see her and be with her. I've done that for one and a half year. Yeah, you know, just you got to stick to the choice you make, you know, if that's what makes you happy, man, everything else, you figure out, right? So I've been doing that for one and a half year, was the toughest time in my life by far the toughest time in my life. You know, I moved to a to a town that's like, I think there was 2000 people living in the town. The company is called KTM. It's basically a motorcycle producer in Europe, competitor of BMW and so on. A really great company, really great product, really fun product, really great people working there, but it's in the countryside, you know, it's isolated. I grew up in São Paulo. I was living in Vancouver and then like having the lifestyle I said before and then I moved into a country countryside, you know, which is nothing bad about it. It's just very different than what I was used to. Then it spoke a word of German, you know, started in this company trying to figure out. And then from there, like from from there was another big learning my life, which was like, I want to be free and I value freedom over everything else and freedom for me meant I need to do my thing, right? So I was working as an employee and there was saving like about 60 or 70% of my salary because I wanted to get out as soon as possible. It took me one and a half year, but it happened, you know, so I like, I was saving money at the same time trying to build my own business at the same time and, you know, just living really, really on budget, so I could save money enough. So if I pulled the cord, I'll have like a buffer to allow me to do my next thing, right? So yeah, like, what stuff man? What stuff? Move to a different country, different culture, different language. The weather was crazy because the winter is really tough for me. I'm a some person, don't like the winter, never will. Nobody can change that. And I need the ocean, man, you know, like I love the ocean, I love sports, I love surfing, but I was just there again, heads down, focus on the goal, one and a half year. And yeah, man, just just one trip. And after this one and a half year, basically a quid and, you know, start my own business, you got the money, you have set a part of it. And then we just went to like a backpack trip in Asia for six months, which was really, really cool after all of it. After all of that, that was like your reward. I had pictures of the wall, you know, like, that's where you're going, that's what you're gonna see, that's what you're gonna do. And every single day is stood up, I look at that, I said, like, I'm doing this because of that. You know, so it's really hard. Sometimes you, you're dwelling about being the present and not in the future and enjoying where you are, not where you're gonna be, but sometimes where you're gonna be is what makes you want to do and to put up with where you are or what you're doing at the point at this time, you know. You need the roadmap, but you need the inspiration. It's like, you can do that with anything really, like if you want to get in shape, you can put that picture of Brad Pitt from Fight Club on the war. Look at that every day. So yeah, so you had you sick, I mean, and I guess that was a great, that's when you finally got to spend time together without all this traveling back and forth. And you know, you were together in a different part of the world, enjoying time together. And I mean, how was that a bit that, I mean, it sounds amazing where you were. Oh, sick man, sick. Yeah, six moms in Asia, we travel through a bunch of countries, we live in body for three moms as well, which was great. So yeah, like we, as I said, you had to spend time together. The crazy thing is we, I did all this commitment, but you know, we didn't still not knew each other because I was just traveling, you know, back and forth. Then we had six moms straight every single day, 24 hours. And then I was like, if this doesn't break it, it's gonna make it because you know, like 24 hours with the same person for six moms, this plays a lot. You learn a lot. You learn about yourself, you learn about the other person. So I did, yeah, I'm married, we happy. That's amazing. And so you know, you're living in Germany now, back from all you traveling, and you're working, what are you working? Yeah, that's a very question. Yeah, I've been, I've been living in Germany, I mean, in and out, we always trying to escape just because I need to travel. And that's the same thing, you know, why I left Brazil is never because I didn't like Brazil, or because Brazil has problems, and blah, blah, blah, and people complain a lot, and there are problems, you know, but so what everywhere place has it? I love traveling. I escape from Germany, not because I don't like Germany in the vlog. I love traveling. I have to go. I can't stand still. So in and out, I've been here for, for I think like five years, or something like that, had been very lucky to work with great clients, now working with Adidas, Adidas had quarter for about almost three years now, which also was, was an exchange for me, you know, I need to decide whether I want to travel, hit the road back, or keep working with a company that I'm really happy with and made incredible people. So I start experiencing traveling and exploration and learning through a different way since I started with Adidas, because there's so many different cultures. I think there's like 82 different nationalities in the middle of absolutely noteware in Germany. 6,000 people sitting there, right? And you just start exploring the world through those people's eyes. So that helped me back a little bit from traveling, doesn't mean that I didn't, but I didn't went for so long. Yeah, so I've been, I've been here for, for a while now. Okay, and so where would you normally escape to? Man, like, yeah, so I did, I did last America, which was crazy. I had to move to Europe to then to travel to America when I was since I grew up in Latin America, in no sense. But yeah, we did last America, we were going to five months in Latin America and Icaragua, all the way from Icaragua to Patagonia. And for me was a really cool thing because I always like enjoyed watching surf movies or always, you know, like I had a couple friends that served, but from my 15s to my 24s, I just wanted to party, right? Like go out, party, meet people, do, you know, do this type of like city things, right? So I never went surfing as much, or very, very, very little. And then once I did this trip in Latin America, I was like, man, I'm going to find some place that I can like, get to surfing because I think it's going to be a cool thing. So I did, like, Nicaragua is great, Costa Rica is great, did some some really cool surfing trips there. And that sort of like switched another, another key, you know, switch another switcher in my mind, it was just like, whoa, like surfing is an incredible thing. So my usual escape nowadays, basically going somewhere, where I can surf. Portugal is being lately a place, it's been a lot of times, Gran Canaria and, yeah, I mean, I'm just like trying to figure out, you know, it's just those funny things, the live trolls that you move to, one of the most isolated places in Europe, when it comes to ocean and coast, and the thing you want to do the most is surfing. Yeah, I mean, no big is landlord. We know that there's no ocean here. Yeah. And again, you know, the same time for me that when I found what I felt in love and I had all those barriers on the way on why my brain and everyone around were telling me he won't work, he just won't work. There is no way it's going to work. And you prove yourself that you can make it work if you want to. I think that's another challenge, you know, I'm just like, I've been here for a while with my mind and like painting those pictures of, you know, living by the coast and surfing and enjoying their lifestyle and, you know, I'm working towards that and I know it's going to happen. That's cool. And then so in between being able to travel to like Portugal or wherever to do your surfing, how do you relax? How do you do your type of meditation? I love sports, man. I love sports mostly like old and cold action sports. I don't know the crazy stuff yet. You know, I need to find the hookups for the crazy stuff like bungee jumping or, you know, like skydiving, you know, skiing, skiing school, snowboarding school, skateboarding, love skateboarding, downhill skateboarding, wakeboarding, you know, Germany has a really great wake parks. So you don't need a boat, which is cool. You can just go around. Those are my things, man. I like things that go fast that I don't have so much control over and that in the end, I'm stoked. So, you know, like just that's my outlet. That's cool. And how do you think you're able to cope during at the Covid times, especially like, you know, you're a, you're a traveler, you live escaping and I mean, we've all been like lockdown, right? And like you said earlier, we're locked down in the middle of Germany. So you can't even get to the ocean. Lockdown in the lockdown. So yeah, how did you manage through? Did you have some tricks, techniques or anything? Or you can be honest as well, did you have some just times when you were just like, you know, wanting to escape? Yeah. Man, like, you know, like, I'm a positive motherfucker, you know, like absolutely. Like there is, there is, it's impossible for someone to show me that there is nothing positive about something that's happening. I always will find it, you know? So when all of that started, my positivity brain just switched on. And I obviously didn't know for how long it would last. And what would happen? But for me, it's been great time. You know, I know it's really hard to say that because a lot of people are suffering and a lot of hard things are happening around the world. But I'm grateful and lucky enough to see the positives and, you know, just to double down that and just keep myself, my head out of the water, you know, find ways which I can, you know, just navigate through it and just move forward, you know, like, I'm stoked. I've been doing things I love. I started projects I love, you know, invests in my time way better than I was investing before. You know, one of my dreams in life was to be able to work remote and to be location independent. I'm not location independent because right now it's just not possible, but I've been working remote for about a year now. Prove to I prove, but I feel that the world proved to the world right now that it's possible that you can trust people that they're going to get shit done even though they're not sitting in the cubico 10 meters away that you can shout at them or check what they're doing. So this is great, you know, one of my main dreams professionally has happened because of the situation. You know, I had much more time to spend with my wife, she's pregnant, we just had a kid, you know, I was around, man, how, what is the price of being able to be around your child as soon as the child's born? It's priceless. And before I wouldn't be able to do it, you know, and I was like, obviously, say more money, spend less, was able to dive deeper inside myself, learn more about myself. I have more time. So yeah, like, for me, like, I wouldn't say, it's hard to say that for me, it's easy because I build that muscle throughout my entire life of positivity, you know, since I was like 13, 14, I already had like mood boards and, you know, wish boards and vision boards, whatever you want to call. I had my my goals already written on the wall, you know, like it would wake up every day, look at it. And just like put myself in that energy and say, it's going to be a dope day. It's going to be a day, you're going to get better than the day yesterday, you know, and you're going to go towards this, you're going to achieve this, you're going to look for this, you're going to make this happen. I still do that, you know, so for me, it's like in the gym, you go to the gym and you lift, you know, wait for a long time, you're going to be bogged at a certain point, I've been lifting weights since I was 14, you know, in my brain. So for me, one of those, those things happen and the negativity starts popping up, I'm able to switch that off and just move forward, you know, just being positive. It's completely right with the mind being a muscle and I wanted to go back. I think, yeah, the COVID situation is a bit like how you dealt with this initial part of your story about taking the path, the red or the blue pill. I mean, it's so easy during this pandemic to just think, fuck it, go off the wagon off the rails, drink every day, you know, not do any exercise and, I mean, you can come out, you can really regress during this and I think you took the right approach, but it's difficult to do that, right? You got to have a strong mindset and again, see some of your targets, but I mean, that's cool that you managed to channel your energy into the right way and you also mentioned that you and our father, I mean, and this pretty fresh, isn't it? So congratulations again, and how's that? That's like, obviously, you've probably switched up your life again. Or like, you know, it's, it's like his five, five months about turn six, five weeks, about to turn six weeks. It's crazy. It's just like, you know, for me, there is before and after type of thing, you know, I think you have different chapters in life, but this chapter is like, it's kind of like, it's a new book, it's not even a chapter, you know, like the other book's gone, like, you know, there's 10 chapters in that book, close that book, the book's gone. Now there's a whole new book to be written and the story has started right now. You know, like the very first icon where I got him on my arm is like, yeah, that's, that's only life. I'm a new man, you know, a new man was born that day, which is insane. And I'm enjoying, man, I'm happy and it's crazy, right? Like again, just talking about positivity again, you know, positivity for me has got, as I said, I was being positive, since I was, I think it was born with it, you know, like it was just, you know, it was just in my jeans, you know, I think that going back to the very beginning of the conversation when all those bullying and all those crazy stuff is happening to me, I was always trying to find that, you know, it's not you, you know, like maybe these people think different, oh, maybe there's someone that's cool, you know, just believe that things going to change and going to be better, things going to be, going to be fine. So that for me, you know, in the beginning, a couple of years ago, positivity was on high. So, you know, people were like, oh, yeah, positivity is this new thing and everybody wants to be positive and good vibes and happy. I think was a lot connected to that and a lot of people were like misunderstanding those aspects. And nowadays, I think we are switching backwards to the aspect of positivity, which is positivity now has a bit of cliché type of conversation, you know, when you say, I'm positive, oh, yeah, cliché, or people want to be negative, right? I think negative school right now, we know internet has shown a lot to us with like comments that are most uploaded on anywhere, it's something that's like, oh, yeah, commenting bad or bad mouthing or saying something bad. So for me, what I'm saying, all of that, for me right now, as soon as my son was born, for me was just like a massive reminder of how crazy life is and how, you know, like grateful and, you know, thankful you should be about everything you have, because everything starts with that, right, starts with being grateful, it starts with thankful. So if you have nothing, you must have at least one little thing that you can be grateful for, that's going to switch the whole thing, you know, because if you look at all the negative and all the bullshit and all the things that you were happy that you don't have, then your brain starts going to negative mode and there's nothing beautiful around you anymore. But as soon as you see one little thing that's positive, then that starts like spreading around, right? And for me, the moment again, you know, like, even again, in between all this corona stuff, that was the moment for me that I was like, this is insane, you know, like for me, the motive why I decided having a child is a very selfish motive, because I want to become a better person every day, stand up. And I wanted to accelerate this process because I haven't got much time left, you know, like life is about what 80, 90, maximum 100 years, I'm 32, so I need to make it quicker. So like having a child for me was basically a way that I can accelerate the process of getting better, because I have to be better. So that person is coming after me and looking at the legacy, I'm leaving behind is basically looking at it and saying, okay, like my dad taught me this, my dad was cool with that thing, my dad. So I'm stoked, man, I'm stoked that I, you know, I'm trying to get better, faster than ever before. So, you know, like, I can teach and show and just show opportunities, show, you know, experience those things, you've got to experience everything in life and things you like. You know, I haven't had those opportunities before, you know, I probably could have figured out much things, things much faster, but it didn't, which is fine. So just show everything. This is life, what do you want to do? What do you want to choose from? It's a whole menu, man, it's a crazy menu, you can do everything you're wanting life, those are all the experiences here, yeah, go serve, what do they do? Go study, go work, go do whatever you want. On the way, you're going to find something you love. So like being able to provide that opportunity to another human, I think is one of the greatest things you could do ever in your life. So I'm stoked. That's super cool. I'm super happy for you, you know what I'm saying? And I mean, that kind of leads me into my next question, which is probably a little bit linked. You may be even covered some of it, but it's like, so what are your dreams now? What are your next steps? What are you looking forward to? Yeah, it's a lot about it, you know, then if you would have asked me that question, a month ago, you would all be about me, right? Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, right? Like, I wanted to do this. I wanted to go to that place. I wanted to do this thing. Now it's not as all about us, you know, it's all about him. Like, I want to just be able to to provide with opportunities. I want to like show the word and show how things are, you know, just put him out there, you know, check, check things. So now for me, just like I'm just trying to figure out, which is great, again, going back to developing yourself. I'm looking at what can you do that whenever he's older, he's going to look back and say, like, we had a dope time. You know, so I'm looking like a lot into like work away or how's sitting, you know, like, imagine you're going to a work away in Australia, which you can take care of, you know, kangaroo farm. Like, I don't know, you know, like some crazy stuff like that, or you want to live in Hawaii and take care of like a coco farm or whatever, you know, like that type of stuff that like, you're going to look back and say, like, man, yeah, well, I was like three years old. I've done this. I just have all those responsibilities that go way beyond location and go way beyond, you know, just like job or education or, you know, how you get to go to school. So you have to do this because then it can get a career because then that's one way. It's not the wrong way. It's not the only way. It's not the right way. It's one way, but there's like an entire highway. I just want to show it highway. So he can do this. It sounds amazing. And dude, I think I've loved chatting to you. I would encourage you to just keep up that positivity, keep inspiring your friends, me, your family, hopefully people that listen to this as well. And it's been a pleasure. Oh man. Cheers. And looking forward to speaking to you again. Yes, I'm here.