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Olivia Munn

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Olivia Munn

The episode features a heartfelt reunion between Conan O'Brien’s friend Matt Gourley and Olivia Munn, celebrating his return after an extended paternity leave. Gourley shares insights into his journey as a father, highlighting the contrast between his two daughters—his energetic first daughter and the calm, smiling youngest, Nell. He reflects on physical changes post-parenthood, including weight gain and a temporary drop in testosterone, which he ties to evolutionary instincts of parental bonding. A key emotional thread is his experience with postpartum anxiety and depression, which he overcame with support and early medical intervention. He credits a lifetime risk assessment test with detecting his breast cancer at a manageable stage, emphasizing how such screening could save lives. Gourley advocates for routine risk assessments in healthcare, calling for policy changes to make them standard. The conversation also explores parenting challenges, including the emotional toll of early parenthood and the importance of self-care. Olivia Munn shares her own parenting struggles and emotional fatigue, drawing a powerful connection to Gourley’s journey. The episode blends humor, vulnerability, and advocacy, underscoring the shared realities of fatherhood, mental health, and the importance of proactive healthcare. It concludes with a warm, reflective tone, celebrating personal growth and the resilience of parents navigating life’s unexpected turns.

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Hi, my name is Olivia Munn. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, never mind. And I feel so excited and amazed about being Conan O'Brien's friend. That's so sweet. Yeah. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. This is a very good day because I'm joined, of course, by Sonam of Session. Yes. But today marks the return, the heroic return of our good friend and associate, Matt Gourley. Come on, guys. I like the heroic part just fine. We've missed you, seriously. I've missed you guys. We've missed you. And just to update everybody, you've been on a paternity leave for, I don't know, I only bring it up because I think it's a world record. It says, you know, no, your daughter was born, I believe, eight years ago. She's a freshman in college. Oh, how's she doing? Oh, she's great. She's great. No, you've been out for a little while. You've been out for a couple of months. I did. I took a little extended one and it was the greatest thing. It was fantastic. I mean, I missed you guys. I did. But, man. Well, how's it going? Bring us up to date. It's going really well. I was able to spend a lot of time with my older daughter, which, you know, was kind of magical. And then my youngest daughter has just fit right in. And, you know, not to get too sentimental, but sometimes when you have those moments in your life that you know to be the best moments, but you only know it after they're done. This was one I could tell when I was in that it was just amazing. That's really nice. Yeah, it was great. I'm happy that you had that. And also resentful. Yeah. That you took so much time. Let me tell you something. Well, part of the happiness was I wasn't here. Yeah, exactly. When my daughter was born, I took 20 minutes. And when my son was born, I took four. Now, let me also just add to that. I'm a terrible father and an awful human being. So, yes. Am I saying this is the way to go? You could have asked for some time. I could have asked for some time. Yeah. That was on me. I think I took, it was a commercial break. We were doing the late night show. The best part is he didn't even have to ask for time. He could have just told people he's taking time. Yeah, exactly. I know. I want to say something, though, about your paternity leave real quick. It feels like you kept releasing other podcast episodes. Yes, thank you. It feels like you took a break only from us. Yes, I didn't. And you were still doing all your other podcasts. I recorded those all before the baby was born. Not true. True story. You can hear two kids crying in the background. Unless. Unless one of them is your wife having a nervous breakdown. And you often referred to the day's news as you were. I held up a newspaper during each recording. Yeah, as you were hosting Wall Walkin'. You were, you know, I mean, first of all. Wall Walkin'. You. We might do Baby Walkin'. Oh. No, listen, I understand those are more, those are priority shows. I didn't record them. All I did was watch World War II movies and Dirty Harry movies with my baby while I held her. I think that's the best thing for a little baby girl. To be hearing. She was into it. Make my day, punk. And lots of people getting blowed up. It was a great thing for a little forming brain. It was heaven for me. As that font nail is starting to seal. It was pulsing. It's pulsing. While we were watching. Yeah. It was crazy. All right, I have some questions. Yeah. How is, your youngest daughter's name is? You talking about Nell the Smell? Oh. Oh, I thought it was, I thought you were going to go. So Nell. Nell, yeah. How is Nell different? She is night and day different than my. First daughter. My first daughter is this wonderful tempest, like just so funny, so crazy. Nell just came out, smile. Every time you see her, just a big smile. She just sits there. She's a wonderful little lump on the log. So we got one of each, which kind of magnifies their differences in such a wonderful way. I don't know. It's, I just feel great. I feel lucky. Yeah. Yeah. And first of all, you have, you came in, you seem, seem very happy. You've got that kind of, doesn't he not have a glow? You do have a glow. I birthed the children. Oh, did you now? So it's the postpartum glow. Yeah. Okay. Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah. That's why he had such a long paternity leave. Yes. Sorry, Matt. You can edit this out if you want to. He did say when we were sitting around earlier, he did say that, I forget how to rephrase it. This time around, he gained a little more weight than the first time. And we were like, for your pregnancies or. I was trying to explain and now you're going to make me. No, I'm not going to make fun of you. Because I want to hear about how your body changed. I want to hear about this. No, I'm glad Adam brought this in. And you're a big fat fuck now. He, I mean, you're listening, you're all listening. But when you waddled in today. I didn't put on 10 pounds. Isn't that crazy? Waddled in. 10? Hello. Oh, no. I think. I don't know. I think. I read somewhere that. Oh, you're still going down this road. Oh, no. Go ahead. I want to hear it. I hate to do this kind of, because what if this is just bullshit? All right. But that there is this evolutionary sort of process to it. So men in postpartum, that they lose testosterone temporarily. And it's a kind of thing to keep them historically tied to the mother and child. From straying. Yeah. From straying. And it's a kind of thing that that has evolved over time. And the survival of those fittest people, because the father was there with the child and the mother. So I'm curious. How does this relate to you gaining weight? Well, there can be some sympathy weight gained because of the loss of testosterone, apparently. You also. You also walked in. He's got huge breasts now. I do. You have huge lactating breasts and you're a big fat fuck. And I don't mean either of those in a derogatory way. No, no. No, no. Big fat fuck with titties. But when you waddled. When you waddled in. Big fat fuck. Waddled in here wearing his D cup. I was. I did come in. I'm really the butt girl. Yeah, yeah. Welcome back. So you gained some weight, but you still look good. Thanks. I don't feel good. Do you think, do you feel like your testosterone levels had dropped? You mean, am I out there just hounding it? Hounding it? Let me see. Is it pounding it, though? No, I tend to hound. Okay. All right. Pounding it. Pounding his creditors for more time. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Oh, I'm hounding it, all right. You're doing what? I don't, I think so. I mean, I've been, certainly been like a sentimental mess in a sort of like good way. That's sweet. Just every single thing knocks me down in a like kind of sweet way. Well, that's nice. Well, I don't think I've ever had that. I was going to say, did you, do you feel like your testosterone dipped? No? Well, first of all. No, after your kids were born. I'm not asking her. No, but you know, my, my, my mother-in-law, Pam, God rest her soul. She. She did say, I remember once sort of talking about how I think I've grown wiser over the years. I'm not as intense as I used to be. I was very focused and very driven in my twenties and thirties and forties. And I said, I think I'm maturing. And she just, you know, she was an expert in these matters. And she just said, no, no, no. Your testosterone level has dropped. Like I was trying to credit it all to wisdom. And she was like, no, no, no. You just have less of that, you know, asshole juice running through your body. See, I went through a male pregnancy. He went through. He went through menopause. Yeah. Oh, I did. I did. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. I don't think that I got the sentimentality. I'm waiting for that part. You know, I don't get all mushy. You don't really ever. I do. When it comes to your kids, especially. No, just when I see old clips of late night. Oh, look at him with Al Roker. 1994. No, no, I do. I do. I don't know. Well, I'm just saying stuff. Yeah. I think. But yeah, I am very, first of all, very glad you're back because you are a very important voice here on this show, as you know, and I say that with with no ridicule or jokes attached to it or seriousness or seriousness or real honesty. Yeah. No, but we're really happy. I'm so glad to be back. I did miss you guys. I edited the show while I was gone. So it was really interesting to hear you guys kind of feel like I was there in a one way sort of way. Were you ever coming in with your panted crits but then realizing that you were just listening to us and you couldn't participate? Of course. And I don't have any actual cash with me, but I'm making a hundred dollar bill that I would like to send to Eduardo for his little bitch put you in your place. That's right. Well, that was an iconic moment in the podcast. It was. When Eduardo called me a little bitch. And you know what? Some people say our country is terribly divided. Unified the country. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone. I don't care if you're a red state, blue state, you know, Trumper, never Trumper. Everyone said, yes, that guy's a little bitch. Yeah. Everybody. It was a beautiful moment. It was a really sweet, definitely sweet moment. Everybody in the country listening to little bitch and big fat fuck with them titties. Yeah. Big fat fuck with them titties. Drive time radio. Yeah. We bring people together. Yeah. With our special brand of the truth. Can we give a very special thank you to David Hopping for having covered for Borals? Yes. David was fantastic. Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause I edited and I, at a time was just like, Like, they don't need me. He's great. You know what I mean? No, we need you. No, he was great. Because I won't have, I mean, David, I can take in small doses. And, you know, I love David. Yeah. But he works Hilary Duff into every conversation. And I, listen, I like Hilary Duff. I'd gladly have her here on the pod. Yes. Yeah, whenever we clear up whatever legal thing we have between us. But yeah, he is so obsessed with Hilary Duff. Can I just shout out, in all honesty, my wife, who did all the work, obviously, for all of this. She's been amazing. And so, the two girls, yeah. Amanda, your wife, very beautiful, very talented. You're a lucky man. I am. Man, you're lucky. Yeah. Okay, well, hold on. Jesus Christ, you got lucked out. Well, I'm just saying. It's kind of creepy the way you're saying it. I'm just saying, when he said, oh, you got to meet my wife, I thought it was going to be like a broom with a face painted on it. Her name's Amanda. Say hi, Amanda. Hello. I mean, come on. Gourley's wife. That's fair. And this total smoke show comes walking in. She's gorgeous. The same could be said for you, too. Oh, please. I mean, both of you are really punching up. Yes. Yeah. I mean, no offense, but oh, my God, are you punching up. It's true. No, people think that Liza, you know, that Liza visited me in the hospital. What do you mean? They just think some total accident happened. Yeah. That's how I got this woman. You know, like she was there and then accidentally got married. She had amnesia and you came in and went, I'm your husband. Yeah, exactly. Thank God I found you. Yeah. And you think I'm handsome. No. While you were sleeping. We're both very lucky men. Yes, you are. And you know, so as a lucky fella, you're a husband. Tactic-ez-ian. Yeah. I can't believe I'm saying tactic-ez-ian now. Tac, tac, tac. You don't even know his last name, do you? No, it's Beroian. It isn't. It's tactic-ez-ian. It's not tactic-ez-ian, but yeah. Oh, yeah. Anyway, this is getting really nice and everything, so I just want to get us back to ground zero. Yeah. Okay? Please do. You suck. You were way too long. I'm fat. Yeah, and you're a fat fuck. You're a fat guy. Yeah. Fat guy, you got to lose the weight. Yeah, with your titties. Your husband's name's tactic-ez-ian. You're way too loud, and you don't help me as much as you should. Where did that come from? Why? Come on. And I think we're all- And you're still a little bitch. What about you? You're still a little bitch. No. One, two, three. Little bitch. Little bitch. Little bitch. Little bitch. No, I can't. No, I honestly- Why does it feel so right? I can't do it. You can't do it? I honestly could not do it. Why not? I don't know. You've called me everything. You actually called me a little bitch before. I'm sure I have. I've called you a dick, an asshole, but I don't know why a little bitch hurts. Is it because you're afraid you're like job security? No. Oh. I think I just feel like it's too far. You think Eduardo went too far? No, I don't think he went too far. I think I would go too far, and I think it's because I was your assistant for so long. Really? This is- I've never seen this. Isn't that weird? I know. I don't know. Wait a minute. You have some tiny bit of professional fear of me. I kind of do. Yes. That's incredible. I do. I mean, when he said it, everybody else was laughing, and I was like, oh my God, Eduardo. Eduardo was scared. He went home. I was. I was, yeah. He was really terrified that it was over. Yeah. I feel good about it now. And then you remembered- And then you remembered who I am. I got over it, yeah. Also, you probably went home thinking, it could be over for me, but if it is, totally worth it. What a way to go. Anyone in the country would have hired you. Well, super happy to have you back. Yep. And we've reunited. As you know, probably there's, isn't there a movie where there's different stones and they got to put them in the glove and then they- Yeah, the Shankar stones of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? Sure. Are you talking about Thanos and the Avengers? I just knew that- No, we're talking about Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I don't know. There's a lot of stones that need to- There's a lot of stones that need to come together. Also, next week I'm back on paternity leave. All right. You know my guest today from the TV show, The Newsroom and the film, X-Men Apocalypse. Now you can see her in the Apple TV Plus series, Your Friends and Neighbors. Very delighted to have her here today. Olivia Munn, welcome. John and I have talked about this before. Like growing up, it's like to even think that you'd become Conan O'Brien's friend, let alone like sitting here talking with you is like such a, it's a really hard thing to go back and be like, hey, like one day you're going to be friends with Conan O'Brien. It's kind of, it's very surreal. Well, that's a very nice thing to say. Spend a little time with him. Yeah, you'll see very quickly. I think in 10 minutes you'll want out. You'll want out very badly. But you know, I'm, I'm so happy you're here and we were chatting just before we came in here. I'm so happy to do the pod. I call it pod because there's not time to say podcast. Okay. You saved a lot of time. Yeah. With doing that. I did. And we should stop now. But we were chatting and you were just talking about how, which I can relate to. And I think you can relate to Matt, but you're tired. You're tired because you're, you've been taking care of your kids and you just said, I am so tired. And I said, trust me, this podcast today is going to be your time out. But you're going through the same thing. Yeah. Newborn. I got it. What? Yeah. I'm, I mean, she's great. She's one. What do I do? Do I talk to her? This is your first, this is his first day back since a maternity leave. The children are now in their thirties. He's been gone for a really long time. Yeah. But, um, and I think too long, but, um, we'll, we'll figure that out later. Uh, HR tells me I'm not allowed to bring it up, but, but, but you, you're tired. You're, you are exhausted. I am pretty, I'm really tired. I was like, that's, I was, as I was coming in. John was like, have fun on Conan. I was like, I'm so tired. Um, but I'm so excited to be here. Cause I was saying like, like our, they're four and 19 months. And this crazy thing is that like when everyone's there and like, we're happy to help and be there to help. My mom is there to help too. And my stepdad, like we want to be in the mess, you know, just be in it with them. And the, the problem is, is that just leaves us with nothing on the other side. So like we're giving to our work and then we come home and it's like, we can do it all ourselves. And it's just, um, and I just, I don't have that instinct. Oh, when I come home, um, I'm very happy to say, cause I have, we have a lot of help. I have, I have eight butlers. That's just me. I have, and I have people that carry me from the toilet to my other toilet. And I go to the bathroom a lot. Yeah. Oh, I'm constantly one to the other. Yeah. There's no stopping. They don't stop anywhere else. And there's a toilet on the little chariot. They carry you. Yeah. I'm constantly, but by the way, if that's what's happening, I think you need it. Yeah. No, no. Trust me. I don't think this is like vanity at all. I think there's something going on. That's a really good point. And thank you for taking my side on this. Cause you know, my wife is always like, does this really necessary? I'm like, you have no idea how necessary this is. But I think that's your problem is saying we want to be part of the, you know, you can meet the children later in life. You can meet them later. You're saying her problem is that she wants to be involved with her kids. Yeah. What's that all about? I don't get it. Oh, okay. Okay. People like Winston Churchill, he was raised by, uh, people on the estate. And then he was like brought to meet his parents at a certain age. I'm serious. They're like, come, it's time to go meet your father. Hello, Potter. You know, it was a weird thing. Your children call you by your first name. Hello, Conan. Yeah. It's creepy. Mr. Conan. Mr. Conan. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But it's casual, but still like formal. Super casual. Yeah. I just think, um, like every little moment, just like, I think that John and I connect so much to our own childhoods. Like we have such distinct memories of what our childhoods were like. And, and we see our children, um, in ourselves so much. So I think it's like every time we are like, the funny thing is like Malcolm will do something and then he and I will both have, John and I will both have a different reaction based on like what our childhood is and that sometimes they're very, we're very different. He's Irish Catholic, you know, white collar family. And then I grew up in a military family with like my, my mom, a Viet, Vietnamese refugee. Yes. Right. Yeah. Who came here in 1975. The day the war ended. Yeah, it was out on the, the last, the last, um, the last boats out and, um, and so you have a completely different frame of reference than, than John Mulaney, Irish Catholic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like we, like the other day, like, like Malcolm was like, why can't we do this thing? And, and, um, and John was like, oh, well, because it's closed now, everything's closed. And then I was like, at the same time I was going, well, because we've decided that we're not going to do that because, and then, and we both looked at each other going like, which way do we go? Like, which, what are we doing? You didn't have your story straight. We did not. And we do that a lot. And then, then one of us will kind of start to start to talk slower. And that's the one, that's the cue to be like, we followed that person, whoever. So I'd be like, no, it was, you know, we, it's closed. So we're not going to go today, but we're going to go tomorrow. And then we're like, oh, okay. I don't. So your kids now think you're just liars. That's all parenting is. We're trying to get them. She says twins as well. Young twins. Yeah. I think, I think the three of us have kids that are around. Around the same age. My boys, my boys turned five in July years in October. Yeah. And I think he's four. Yeah. Yeah. Just turned four at the end of November. Okay. I used to tell our kids that Obama canceled it. I'm serious. I used to do that. I used to tell them, you know, Obama canceled it. That's why we can't do it. And they, they said, what? And I said, yeah, it was on CNN. And my, I think it was my daughter said, what is that? The Conan nonsense network. Oh my God. And I was like, okay, well this doesn't work. They're Republicans now. It was a Biden term. She was two when she said that. Yeah. said that to john just yesterday i was talking about something that my mom had said to me that was so like flippant and innocuous she wasn't even thinking i know at that time she didn't think it was anything but what she said i knew was a lie because it was just like when i was a five-year-old you know she was like oh whatever it was was just like a little lie and i and it i know in that moment of course the course changed from being like i believe everything my mother says to being like oh you're just you're not going to be telling the truth about things right right and then i look at myself as an adult i'll be like mom my mom knows everything she's so annoying she knows everything she's always right and yet i'll still be like no because that's my my default is to be like no because i remember when it all changed for me lied one time and i can never trust you well when i think as a kid like it you know i said to john we never know when we're creating a core memory so like there's things that my mom said and did that she will never ever be like i remember that because there was one time when it's like in the 80s right so my mom would uh had us my sister and i um my stepsister same age as me came home from school puts us to nap and then i hear the door close and i look outside i go into the living room and she's in the van pulling out of the driveway we're nobody else is going to be home we're like you're alone at four years old but this is the 80s when you could like you know leave your kid at home you go run and come back and i ran out crying and screaming well i thought she was leaving us and she's annoyed now she's got to go back like okay get back in the house and i'm just being like and then i was so confused like now she's annoyed with me did i do something wrong but she was leaving me and it was just and that became such a core memory that's bold even for the 80s yeah that's pretty good not for the 70s but for the 80s yeah yeah well we used to also in the um pickup trucks like you know sit in the back of the flatbed but on the hump where the wheel is we can sit in there like just you know a free ride through the highways like no one no one got in trouble then it was a different time yeah i'm amazed at the things that we did in the when i was growing up in the 70s i just you know sometimes i wouldn't see my parents for months at a time yeah i was left with just a map and a gold coin i know i just you go on a full walkabout for three days in your hometown and just come back tan and dirty in the outback yeah yeah i can relate obviously to john and i have similar you know kind of lineage and we're both comedy obsessives is he always trying to turn something into a comedic riff is that is that something he does it at home or not so much no i can't see him doing it but it must be happening because i'll be watching it like i'll i haven't seen his stand-up until recently we were in london i watched and i was like you've been like clocking all of this core memories you're making core memories everything is a core memory everything his latest special is called core memories yeah yeah no it's yeah because uh but i have noticed something with him that you might relate to as like a comedian because i've now i see it now with him is that like malcolm said something the other day too i think and and when something's really funny he there's not a big reaction it's just like oh yeah uh-huh and like his brain is already it's almost like he's like writing it down a notebook in his head yes you know you don't immediately laugh exactly you just go oh that's very funny yeah yeah yeah i see yes that can be used later uh-huh sometimes there's not sometimes there's really not just like ah yes that's very good that's very good i think it clicks it just literally it flips a switch instead of like where the rest of us are just like that's funny i think it immediately flips this other switch that's like that is very funny let me log this down let me not forget the nuances of whatever this whole little moment was so that happens a lot more than than i recognized like you know the first year we're together yeah it's not as obvious as john saying you know you're you know you're malcolm falls down and he's like wait a minute i don't know what's going on i don't know what's going on i don't know what's going on i can use this keep crying so i get down what it's like um we were talking just before we got started and i thought i want to ask you about this because your early life there is you know there's a lot happening your mom comes here when she has you where are you living is it oklahoma oklahoma i was born in oklahoma city oklahoma but then um it doesn't work out her marriage doesn't work out my father um cheats on my mother when i was six months old oh boy and then she yeah my sister was two and a half i was um six months and my mom was uh had his dry cleaning and was going through a suit jacket and found two movie ticket stubs and went up and asked him like did you go to the movies with somebody and he said yes and she goes was it a girl or a guy because it's a girl he goes is it a date and he's like yes and then so she leaves and then um and she goes to japan no so she leaves so my okay my mom and my mom my grandmother and her nine children escaped vietnam um in the fall of saigon and in 75 and they came out to oklahoma because they um there was a um a christian university president that was like i'll sponsor all 10 of you to come to oklahoma and they went there and then um my mom went to university and everybody still lived there in oklahoma and then when my when she left my father she went back home to my grandmother's with you know my uncles and everybody there to take you know take care of her and us and um my uncles would get us to for visitation and my uncles would be so mad and they'd pick up huge rocks and just throw them at him and like throw them at his car and like it was just they were just the saigon came out in them yeah what a ancient way of showing displeasure do you know what i mean i'm gonna take a note for this podcast yeah i'm passive-aggressive with you matt but i don't pick up large boulders and throw them at you but now that we know that's an option it is an option but she so then she goes so then and then eventually she she remarries um my first son and stepfather my mom's been married three times my second stepfather it's important to note that he is amazing his name is sam but my first stepfather was not a good guy at all it's really for 14 years of my life from like 2 to 16 and so she married him and he's in military and then that uh brought us to he was a bit of a like a rageaholic yelling person would you call him that he was very abusive abusive in many ways um and it's interesting like with abuse right like like there was definitely screaming and yelling but he was very abusive and he was very abusive and he was very abusive but there wasn't like a rage like when you see in movies just somebody comes again wow what's going on in here it was just like that you know your the your blood runs cold you just feel you know you could just feel it it's like when your kids are like dogs right where you can feel things before anything is said you could like it's raining outside and i would learn like later in life like okay rain that's actually bad because he might be late for work or somebody might did that and then he's going to come home and be really in a bad mood so you just kind of like yeah clocking all these things he wore um always at home he would wear like flip-flops and so like flip-flops on linoleum because you know in a military housing you have like the same kind of concrete floors that linoleum on on top of it and just like those kind of things that you just kind of perk up and go like okay someone's coming or danger is coming in just before we came in here you were talking about how you you seem like someone who obviously went through a great deal and then at some point had the strength and tenacity to say i'm getting out of here because you talked about getting in your car and driving this is you know when you're much older but you decided i'm gonna go to los angeles you got in a car and you just started driving and you said you know your your car broke down at one point and you were looking for a replacement part on the side of the road yeah so there's this real fire in you like i'm going to get out i always wanted to be an actor when i was like uh maybe 17 or so my best friend gave me this book called an actor's guide your first year in hollywood i was like page one let's go and we're gonna make it and um and so i And, you know, my mom being an immigrant was like, oh, that's not, you know, my my mom and her siblings all came to America with nothing. And they all have like, you know, master's degrees and PhDs and become like top engineers. And one has worked for NASA and they're doctors. And so my mom is like, you know, we don't have a dentist or a lawyer in the family yet. And I was like, yeah, I was like, OK, yeah. And also you can understand where they're coming from, that if you if they're coming from that reality and then you just one generation removed is saying, I'm going to try improv and I'm going to throw and I'm going to play, you know, some some theater games. I can understand why they'd be freaked out. Yeah, especially because she's like, wait, you want to do what? Like she did tell me a long time ago, she goes, you want to be after only one man can do it. Tom Cruise. You know. You're not Tom Cruise. I was like, what? I go, mom, there's a lot. She is true. There is only one man that can do it. I was like, I'm not. However, he and I do have the same birthday. So but and so it was I would ask her a lot. And she was like, if you go to college and use your degree for one year, like then I'll I'll say, OK, you can go. And now I know at this point I'm an adult, but it's an Asian family. So it really mattered that my mom was, you know, there to support me. And also, I didn't have. I didn't have the money to go do that. And and I needed a lot of support and permission from my mom. And so I graduated from University of Oklahoma with a journalism degree. And then I worked at the NBC affiliate for one year in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And you were sidelined. No, I was doing the assignment desk. You've been to a newsroom before. So there's the we go into a newsroom. There's this assignment desk and it's where you answer the calls from people going like, I love what, you know, Jane was wearing today on the what color was that suit? And it's also. People going like there was a, you know, I've got a complaint about, you know, X, Y, Z and what's happening over here on this street. There's also all of these police scanners, paramedic scanners, fire department scanners, and it's constantly all the time. And your job is to hear it all. and then to tell people and to be like, Conan, go to 89th Street. There's a fire at MacReady's Bond. Get over there. Exactly. And they're right there in front of me and I hear nothing. And I could hear producers screaming out, they're like, a school bus turned over on 29th. And you're like, I'm like, really? And they're like, oh my gosh, there's a house fire on Robertson. I'm like, there is? And I'm like, I'm the worst person at this job ever. Your job is not to go, you don't say. Wow, that must be some fire. I'd be literally- We should put it on the news. I'd be watching people get up and run and I'm like, what? They're like, and they'd be like, they'd be into the parking lot screaming what's happening and I just couldn't hear it. And so I took that job for a year and then they asked me, don't ask me why. They're like, do you want to stay on longer? And I was like, well, I told my mom I would only do this for a year before I would go. And I was just determined to just do a year. And then I started thinking like, oh man, maybe I will. I don't know, I talked to my mom about it. She goes, you know what? Why don't you just wait another year? Just like one more year and then you should go out to California and give it a try, but just one more year. So I was like, okay. And then one day, speaking of core memories, like not knowing when you're creating them, my sister was getting dressed and she was in the bathroom putting on her makeup and she said, oh, you know, mom said the funniest thing to me the other day. She said, you know, Olivia keeps wanting to go to California to be an actor and I just told her like next year. And if she says anything to you about it, just tell her next year and we'll just keep saying next year, next year until one day she'll forget about it. Mom! And my sister said it of just like, mom is so silly. Isn't that so silly? And I'm pretty sure my sister doesn't even know this story because it probably didn't even clock to her. But in that moment, I was like, oh my God, like, well, why is this working? Like, why, why, why? Because it clearly worked on me. I thought, well, I'm letting it work. Why am I letting it work on me? Well, because what if I don't make it? And if I don't make it, then for the rest of my life, I could always say, well, I was going to be an actor, but my mom wouldn't let me. I was going to. Yeah. In a way, you have an out. I have an out. Forever. So I had this old, like, beat up Land Rover Discovery that like broke down like every 20 miles or so. And it was not a good thing for the environment to do. But we took out the catalytic converter because in Oklahoma, you could. And the catalytic converter allows more to have just more like horsepower. And it's really bad for the environment because it doesn't, it lets all the exhaust kind of out. But in Oklahoma, you could do it. So thanks, Oklahoma. So the mechanic was like, you know, you take this, you're going to get like, you're going to be able to go a lot faster. And you're going to get more. It just shoots gasoline out the back, propelling you forward. And and so and then I also had a really bad a crack in my radiator. And I knew about that, but I couldn't afford to. You're driving Chernobyl. Yeah. I mean, you're low on you. You're kind of low on uranium. So then I had to drive like gotten my in the car. I was go from Oklahoma to Texas and then all the way through, you know, New Mexico, Arizona and then to California. But like it stopped like every 200 miles. And because you have to stop open the gaskets, put in the the radiator fluid, you know, to the Freon to keep it going. And then then at one point it just was like steam was coming out. I was in the middle of New Mexico and the steam was just like spewing out. And it's like the check engine lights coming on. So I pull over and I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. And like the the hose for the radiator, like I'd blown. It was like a like a crack in it. I'm like, I just I'm on the side of the road on the highway. Like, look, you know, like walking for a while, going through the brush. And then I find a hose. I'm looking for something that I could use. And I find a hose. And as I've already had to do these things, you know, a radiator. No, no, no, not a radiator hose. Okay. No, it was still a hose. A hose from what you're looking for. That's amazing. It was it was I don't know what kind of hose. It wasn't a water hose or something, but I did it because. In college, my best friend, Kara, she's very she taught me a lot of this stuff. And and so this had happened once before when we were in Oklahoma during college. And I was like, what are we doing? She's like, we're going to go find a hose. It's like, what do you mean? She's like, we're going to find something. And like, so we like on the side of the road, you just keep like looking and looking and you'll find something. And so, you know, I look it wasn't easy. It wasn't like I was like an hour or so just like treasure hunting. I'm just saying you may have a real talent here. Well, you just search and search. You search and you find something. And I carried the screwdriver and I carried like the heat resistant duct tape. I mean, I had the whole thing because this was a situation that I had experienced for like over a year. I've been going through this. So you'd think actually that I would have kept like extra hoses. That's the key. No, not if you're not if your experience is just go outside and look around. It's like shopping at Meineke. But we found it and it got me through it. It got me to the very like all the way to Altadena where I was meeting cousins. And so how long before you got work? Well, it depends on what you how you describe work. So in an actor's guide, your first year in Hollywood, they tell you after the chapter on finding a hose. This book is really good. You know, like they they up, they do like a new a new. Yes, they should do a new. They should be interviewing me for the new edition. Yeah. So I it says like to become an actor, you need to join the union. And how do you join the union? You get your SAG card. How do you get your SAG card? Well, you book something that gives you a SAG card or you go and be an extra and you can be an extra and you get like pink slips. I think it was like three pink slips equals like one SAG card. That's what I got. You did. Did you get it? Yeah. For being an extra. Yeah. Wait, how many how many pink slips did you get? Three. And did you get did you get speaking parts? No, I was just. Featured? No, I was a high school student, even though I looked 38. And I saw what's the credits. It said creepy high school. Yeah. Prematurely aged. Did everyone get one or did they just give it to you? There was it was called a show called The Smart Guy on like, was it Nickelodeon or something? And one of the actors was someone we knew from an improv group. And so he got three of us as featured extras to get our SAG cards. What was the what was the featured part? Creepy guy in a high school. Like we weren't we weren't like speaking. It was some kind of it seemed like a game. That's the background work. It totally. Yeah. Yeah. And but I thought you just go. And then you're like every background person gets like I didn't know there was like a special thing. You have to be like you have to have a featured whatever that means. But so in the book, it says, like, go to central casting and you bring your passport and another identification and you go there. So I go to central casting out in Burbank and like there is a line that goes, you know, down the block, down the block, around the block. And I'm there. Like passport in hand. The biggest smile on my face. I'm like, we're doing it. Yeah. We're going to do it. We're here. Look at us. I'm the new Tom Cruise. Just like the book says. Yeah. You guys have the book too? Yeah. And and I was like the only person smiling the entire time. I was like, this is it. And I get to the front. And the first one I did was Gilmore Girls. And I couldn't believe it. I got cast on Gilmore Girls. And I get to Warner Brothers. I see all these people there and no one else is smiling. It's 4 a.m. And I'm just like, guys, we're doing it. Here we are. We made it. And then this one guy brought me over and he's like, come here. He's like, is this your first time doing this? I'm like, yes, it is. He's like, OK. He's like, what what color did you bring? I was like, what do you mean? What color? And he was like, what color did you bring? I said, I don't I just have like winter coats and stuff. He goes, hold on. He hands me his red his red scarf. And he's like, you need this so that they can see you in the background. He's like he and he puts on a red hat. And he goes, you want to make like big gestures. He's like, you know, like you can say hi to a friend that's way over there. And like, so we had all these like tips and tricks and taught me about like bringing Tupperware so that I can like take food home and like how we want to get into meal penalties. And it was like this whole thing. I learned Yoda background on your first day. Some of the advice. I'm not sure. I have a hard time watching Gilmore Girls because there's a guy in the background who's always flailing like he's on fire. He's dressed like where's Waldo? I can't understand Rory. But I only did it. I only did one other background job. The very first thing I booked was this was it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Oh, there you go. So my jam. Yeah. But wait a second. So I couldn't believe it. I was this is so exciting. Then Monday morning rolls around and I'm waiting. And it's supposed to film on Monday. And I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. And then I try to get a hold of somebody at the agency. No one's answering. Try to get somebody at the management company. No one's answering because it's super early in the morning. I'm like, I feel like I'm supposed to be there already. And then. And finally, I get a call from production and the woman's like, oh, my God, we transposed the last two numbers of your cell phone. My number at the time was 0608. So they were calling 0806. And they're like, I'm so sorry. We had to go audition all of the extras for this role. And I was like, what do you mean? They're like, we told your managers. But my manager at the time was too busy starring and filming his own movie. Oh, God. That weekend. Oh, come on. He didn't give me any of the. Oh, come on, bro. Oh, my God. I would give him just a number more chances if I could. That's not too late. I'll give him 15 more chances. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I, you guys, I was like, I'll be right there. I'll be right there. Like, I'm sorry we've had to move. Like, but don't worry, we'll remember you for the next time. I thought, of course, you're not going to. I look back at my start and there were things I desperately wanted to happen that didn't happen. And then later on, I realized that if those things had happened, the real great shots, wouldn't have come along for me. It would have set me off on a different road. So because you go on this streak of attack of the show, you get. The. Yeah, Daily Show. You got offered a part on 30 Rock, which you couldn't end up doing. And then you do The Newsroom. Yeah, that was my first big behemoth to take on. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, those both are kind of simultaneous. They're very different in their own ways. I knew that I was just the outlier in that whole cast for The Newsroom. And actually, after my first day of filming, the very first scene that you see me in, in episode two, season one, he came to me afterwards. He's like, just so you know, we were all watching, being like, what's this girl from The Daily Show going to do? And I was like, and I kind of felt that pressure a little bit, but also at the same time felt like, I didn't know a lot about the etiquette of filming on sets and how, I would ask a lot of questions. I would go to Sorkin and be like, can you explain all these little things to me? Because I was like, I mean, I didn't write the character you did. And I would ask other actors to be like, how would you say this line? And they'd be like, what? And I was like, why would I just want to use my brain if I can have everyone's help and involved in this? And I was looking at, I knew I was going, I had like. I had like such an amazing high caliber group of actors around me. And I was like, oh man, I don't, I just have to like kind of narrow in and think about what I'm doing. And I, at that time in entertainment, I feel like a lot of times I'd seen characters like that play really just overly demanding or apologetic. And I just wanted to play it straight. I just was like, there's like just any, nothing has come close. I stopped filming that show in 2014, 14, 17. 14? Something like that. A long time ago. And I, nothing has come close to that because of the challenges that Sorkin put for me in there to like really make things really small, but still give it as much impact. It'd be very hard to act in his stuff because he puts so much dialogue in there. It's so dense. It's so dense. And I'm, when I watch his stuff, I'm always very, he's obviously a great writer and he's really a savant at this. He does great work, but I'm always thinking, yeah, I couldn't work for that guy. Memorize all that stuff? Yeah. Well, you know me, I'd just be making up gibberish. And he also loves walking and talking. So that business where, you know, every- And you literally can't walk and talk. I can't walk. I cannot walk. And I cannot, I cannot do both. Unless you're being carried on a toilet. If I'm carried on a toilet. That's why. All my scenes. But you've, I mean, it's interesting because you, you've had kids. I know that you then battled breast cancer and you made this decision to just take time off. But I heard you say somewhere, I'm not going to do some announcement that you won't be seeing me for a while. Yeah. Which I thought was cool because when people announce, I'll be stepping down from my career momentarily, I always think no one asked. Yeah. You know? I'm like, I always think it's so funny when people do that. I'm like, you don't play for the Lakers. Like, no one's being like, where are they? Tuesday night, where are they? Yeah. I'm like, you're an actor. Like, everyone wants to make this big announcement. And it's like, I think if there's somewhere where people are expecting you to be. Yeah. You know, then, okay, you should let us know. You're not going to be there. Right. But it was like, it was a, it was a personal decision. And yeah, I just felt like I just had gone through, I don't know if your wife dealt with postpartum, but I had the worst postpartum anxiety. Did you have that at all? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I was ready for postpartum depression. If they heard about it, I'd never heard of postpartum anxiety. And so it was like about a month after Malcolm was born. And all of a sudden, I just like, I wake up at 4 a.m. My eyes just pop open. I just go. And I just feel it in my chest every day. It's like that every day for almost a year. And I, I just, I, I would just have to hold his arm going from room to room sometimes. And that would just be like, cool. The rest, like, sometimes it'd be cool, but it would always be there. And I didn't understand what it was. I didn't really say anything to anybody. I just told him, like, I don't really feel good. I'm just kind of feeling anxious. And it wasn't until, it wasn't for like nine months or something until finally I like opened up to, I think my therapist about it. And I, I wasn't able to make a lot of breast milk. I really tried. And my son was struggling because I was not giving him any, any, any nourishment. And it was so frustrating. And so I was like, I'm just stopping. I'm going to put him on formula. He's going to be okay. But by stopping cold turkey like that, I didn't know. Even if I made a little bit, what happens is your hormones drop and everything. Like I had, I was not prepared for this. So then it just, it just dropped me into like the depths of postpartum hell and I was spiraling. And then I ended up getting, um, people would ask me like, what, what were your thoughts? Well, the thing is I didn't have thoughts. Thank God. I didn't have any thoughts of self-harm or hurting anyone else. Um, and I have, my heart goes out to every woman who's experiencing that. And there was not enough sympathy and empathy and understanding for that. It's absolutely. Um, horrifying to, to feel those things I can imagine. Yeah. So that was a big part of the reason why I was like, okay, I need to take some time away. But I wasn't thinking about that yet. Right. When I was getting out of that postpartum haze, I was like, I'm feeling good. Then I get diagnosed with breast cancer. And then it was like, it was a very aggressive, fast moving cancer that was like all over both breasts. So I went through many surgeries, five surgeries. And then in that process, I was like, I think I need to step away from being in the public eye. Wow. And it's also just important to point out, you had no symptoms. And so you took this lifetime risk assessment test. Right. Which told you you had a very high number and that saved your life. I mean, that's huge. Yeah. I had a clear mammogram and a clear ultrasound and I did clear genetic testing as well. Or genetic testing, it came back clear. A lot of people ask about BRCA. And BRCA is a very well-known breast cancer gene, but there are many breast cancer genes. And I tested negative for all cancer genes. That's bad. Yeah. So there's a thing. I know. The lifetime risk assessment test. And it's a free online test. It takes minutes to take. It's been around for a very long time, but a lot of people don't know about it. But anything above 20% is considered high risk. And it's a score that will tell you how likely you are to get breast cancer in your lifetime. And mine was 37.3%. Oh, man. Okay. So I went to go get the MRI. And the doctor called me that day. And he's like, I think I see something on your right breast. You should go get an ultrasound. I said, okay, go get the ultrasound. And then the doctor's taking some time. And it's never really good when they're quiet, right? So I'm like, is everything okay? And she's like, well, I see the one from the MRI, but now I'm finding two more. Oh, fuck. I'm like, okay. And then she explains it to me. So with women, our breasts are like circles. And then they put a cross through it. And then there's quadrants. And so multifocal means there's more than one in one quadrant. Multiquadrant is that there's two different quadrants. It's not that abnormal to have multifocal in one quadrant. But it's abnormal to have it in two quadrants. Multiple quadrants. So they're like, okay, you should go get a biopsy. So I go get a biopsy. And they're like, yeah, it's a very aggressive, fast-moving cancer. And it's not normal to have multifocal, multi-quadrant at your age. And then they're like, well, let's go back to your original MRI and look at the other side. And they looked at the left breast. They go, okay, yes. We got to go an MRI biopsy on this. And they did that one as well. And so they're like, so then I was diagnosed with multifocal, multi-quadrant bilateral breast cancer. And then after my double mastectomy, they sent it off for pathology. I find a tangerine-sized section of more breast cancer in my right breast. Because, you know, they look for, it's called clearing the margins. So when they get your tumors, they take the tissue out. And you want to make, they want to come back and be like, okay, we were able to clear margins. So whatever tissue sample we got, we were able to say we got the tumor because there's clear tissue all around it. And because they did my whole double mastectomy, they were able to take all the tissue out. But they were like, okay, we weren't able to get clear margins until past like a tangerine-sized section of more. So, and that was, and I would never have, I would not have found it until it was a much later stage if I didn't take the lifetime risk assessment test. Jesus Christ. And then a year after that, a little less than a year after that, I would have my mom do a mammogram. My mom just turned 70. I had her, this was last year. Yeah. I had her do a mammogram and ultrasounds, clear, clear. And I did her lifetime risk assessment score. And she scored in a high risk. So then we had her do an MRI and she has, she was diagnosed with HER2 breast cancer. It's a type of breast cancer that can double in size every six weeks. What? So when she, when she got, when we found it, a few weeks later, she has her double mastectomy and it already become multifocal. Ah. Because it was. I've got to do this too. Yeah, you do. No, you do. It's a really, I'm actually working with Senator Mark Kelly on legislation that will help make it a lot easier for women to have this done just because the onus shouldn't be on us. To always know about these things. And I can, I'll, I will, you know, this is a, one of the biggest missions in my life, besides being, you know, a mother and, and a wife and a daughter, I want to, um, help as many women as I can with this. It's so simple, but it shouldn't be, um, on us to know about it. You know, when we go into our doctors, they take our, um, blood pressure, they ask about like our cholesterol and they should also say, what's your lifetime risk assessment score. And so we're working with, uh, I'm working with, um, Senator Kelly on figuring out. A way to, um, get every doctor in our country to make that part of their standard of care. Yeah. All right. Lifetime risk assessment test. That is huge. Um, yeah, I better write it down for you. There's a specific one, the Tyra Cusick one. I have it in my Lincoln bio and my Instagram. Okay. Cause there's, there's one called the Gale something other. That is the Tyra Cusick one. They're all a little bit different for some reason, but. We can put it in the show notes. Yeah, put it in the show notes. Well, now you're working on your friends and neighbors with Mr. John Hamm and I bet it's nice to be, you know, and my night must be nice to be back. in it, I would think, kind of therapeutic to be working and making that great show. I really do love that show. Thanks. I'm so happy you like it. It's terrific. And we got to do this again sometime. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It just settled in. What else are we going to talk about? Finding hoses? I hope my friend, my friend Kara, I'm going to make her listen to this. She was the one who taught me that. She's, she's actually, she's an architect. Do you know California Chicken Cafe out here? Of course. She's like the, the VP of branding there. And she's the one who redesigned all of the California Chicken Cafes out here. They're like, I've noticed they've got a new look. Yeah, they do. They have new font and everything. That makes me like the chicken more. It's all about presentation. If a chicken, sometimes there's a really good chicken with bad font. And I'm like, I'm not into shit. You're a big font guy. I'm very big on a font. What I learned is they did better during COVID than a lot of places because everybody's looking for like just a healthy, easy. Alternative. So much so that they don't do eat in anymore. Yeah. You know a lot about this. I sure do. She knows her fast foods and your food outlets, right? Isn't that fair to say? It's not really fat. It's not like Carl's Jr. No, no. You're just lifting off a whole other place. It's, it's, it is. It's like that. It's good. And I like, you don't have to walk in. They have like a window now and you just go order. Is there one out by us? There's, I don't think so. If I, if I go to one, it's the one on Melrose. What are we doing? Let us talk. Can I just say the best one of all is Pollo Loco because for a while. It's El Pollo Loco. Please. Okay. I like La Polla Loco myself. I like to feminize things because women need to be heard and seen. But also I like a chicken that's gone insane. I like a chicken that's eyes are crossed and it's gone insane. And, and then the chicken is telling you eat chicken, but the chicken's gone insane. And it's this crazy. This crazy thing where you're like a chicken's gone so insane. He's telling people to eat more of my kind. Yeah. Game recognizes game. Exactly. Game recognizes foul. All right. Well, my best to, to Kooky John, you know, I mean, he loves you. Well, I love him. Listen, be well. I'm so glad that you're healthy. I'm glad that you have these two beautiful children and that you have this great family. I'm just pretty happy for you. Oh, thank you so much. I mean, it really means a lot. I mean, um, just so happy to be here with you guys. I mean, we love your show. Everybody loves your show and, um, but it's been so nice. I don't want to leave now. Well, you can stay. This is a nice place to hang. What do you guys do next? Just go out for a tasty freeze. Yeah. A little California chicken. Yeah, that's what I call it. Do you guys interview somebody else after this? Or do you have one a day? No, we tend to record more stuff, but. Yeah. I don't know if we're doing more. Yeah. We're next week. We're doing, we do segments separately and all that. I think that's it for today. You know, sometimes we just do local news and weather. How many episodes do we do a year? Well, this is interesting. You're going to be the 400th episode. Me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which means you get a pair. Someone did not plan that right. I feel like it should have been. No, it doesn't. No, please. It's like, but you get a pair of socks. That's exciting. Okay. Olivia, I want to thank you. Sorry, hold on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Adjust your clothing and here we go. Olivia, thank you very much for being. Oh, hi. Start again. Olivia. Yes. I just want to tell you that it was lovely having you here on Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. I do consider you a friend and I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. And now I say both to you and to people all around America and in the heartland listening, thank you and good night. All right. Now it is time for a segment we call Review the Reviewers, where we read and respond to real five-star reviews. Are you reading a bedtime story to a child? I'm trying to be professional. Okay. All right. I'm getting sleepy. Can I have cocoa? What do you want me to do? Go to Apple Podcasts and rate us five stars and you might be featured on a future episode. Today's review comes from, Kira8Kira, who says, segment idea. We're doing a segment. Conan and team, I'm a huge fan. Love listening to your podcast and it is one of the things that got me through chemo. So thank you for that. Wow. That's good for her. You guys should do a segment where you guys discuss new words that kids use these days. Oh, wow. That's a good one. Hey, Kira8Kira, I'm so glad that you got through chemo and love the suggestion. It's the new, what the words that kids are using these days. Do you know? Sure. There's, Riz. I've been told I've got Riz by no one. I was going to say, I'd name one person. No one. I apparently I am Riz free, but it's a good word. Yeah. It's good slang. Do you know what the slang is these days? I know cap, no cap. And I know. What's cap, no cap? Cap is you're telling the truth. No cap is you're telling the truth. Cap is when you are not telling the truth. Okay. That's right. Yeah. Because it's all about hiding behind a cap. Someone explained it to me. Oh, so, so, so use it in a sentence. Hey, dude, you're, you got, you got a cap on right now. Oh, what? Well, no, I'm trying to use it in a sentence. I know, but I just told you, no cap. Hey, Cohen, no cap. You did great at the Oscars. Oh, thanks a lot. Okay. Okay. I don't like that. I just think it's these new phrases should be easier to say. Yeah. That's why like the guy's got Riz makes sense to me because you're saying a lot in a very short little word. Yeah. Um, that's why, uh, I think it's useful. No cap cap just feels like it's, you're complicating something that's, you know, it's not meant for you. Um, and then I think there's the one about any, I don't, don't they add maxing now to everything? There's all like frame, frame, mogging, gesture, maxing. Oh, well that's because of, um, the social media. Uh, star, um, who, who's, who looks maxing, who, which he, uh, helped invest. And I thought of a joke the other day. I ran over a controversial, um, social media, uh, person with my truck. Yeah. I was charged with clavicular homicide. Now, okay. Look, I'm getting mad respect. I wrote that joke the other day because, um, I saw him being a douche somewhere and I just was like, okay, that's funny. I don't know what to can. No, I did a bit on the Oscars. That was all about me trying to appeal to young people. But the whole joke was that's impossible if you're doing it on, you're doing it on broadcast television. And that was the joke. But I, it, someone sent me a clip of clavicular watching it and saying, dude, that's wasting his time trying to be cool on network TV. And I thought, no, that's the joke clavicular. But then I realized I'm engaging in an argument with clavicular. Um, and that's when I thought I should use this time for good and write a joke about clavicular where he gets hit by a truck. And then I came up with it. We, sorry, you're charged with clavicular homicide. Come on. High fives all around. No high fives. You say so much nonsensical words. I feel like you could come up with a slang term. I come up with something a lot no cap. Okay. Okay. Let's say, Hey, are you serious? Say something that's like, Hey, this is serious. I'm Sears SRZ. No, that's a department store. It was a department store. No, it's a long gone. Sears is so long gone. We can change it. And it's just SRZ. Okay. Sears, what are you going to do? Can you say I'm Sears? Like it's 1998. What's that? I don't know. Okay. You're, I think I'm better at this than you are. And I think you're drifting away. What do you think? You must, you're the closest to this age. I was going to say, Adam's probably the expert because his kids are like the perfect age yeah I do hear cap no cap tell them it's not good and to switch to Sears SRZ low key people say all the time and you actually in your Oscars thing said which is really funny and we say it at home now low genuinely or something like that yeah which I think you made up but it's like a play on low key they say low key a lot I just said what Skylar Higley told me to say that was one where it was like teaching a dog how to speak by putting peanut butter on its lips Skylar said say these words and it will be funny and I went okay Skylar so Sears so Sears hey Sears I thought that was a good bit give us another one yeah no no but what's the you don't know I feel like I don't know no no Blake has one yeah a lot of times people will talk to chat like yeah chat that's you know because when you're live streaming you're looking at a chat that people are talking about but people are bringing it IRL into real life and saying oh yeah yeah chat let's go out to dinner at you know Chipotle or whatever I don't but okay they're referencing that yes a chat can be happening while you're having a conversation online they'll say chat instead of guys like hey guys let's go do this hey chat okay that's bad or there's like the silent scream I feel like Gen Z does have you seen that where they'll go like oh I've never seen that before they'll also say bet yeah bet bet I've heard a lot bet is really big you know what I want to do I want to grow even older in ignorance okay that's my dream is just to drift away on the ice okay and just not know about no cap chip chop flip flop squabbly do I love it you do do you did you not use slang terms when you were younger I think I use slang terms from the 40s when I was growing up in the 70s so you must have been so cool I was always trapped in the 1930s and 40s in the late 1970s sure you know so um yeah I was a weird weird kid and no one should do as I did all right I think we learned a lot and also in a way we learned nothing yeah and maybe we now know less than we did before and we've accomplished our mission sears sears sears conan o'brien needs a friend with conan o'brien sonam of sessian and matt gorley produced by me matt gorley executive produced by adam sacks jeff ross and nick leo theme song by the white stripes incidental music by jimmy vivino take it away jimmy our supervising producer is aaron blair and our associate talent producer is jennifer samples engineering and mixing by eduardo perez and brendan burns additional production support by mars melnick talent booking by paula davis gina batista and brick con you can rate and review this show on apple podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode got a question for conan call the team coco hotline at 669-587-2847 and leave a message it too could be featured on a future episode you can also get three free months of sirius xm when you sign up at siriusxm.com slash conan and if you haven't already please subscribe to conan o'brien needs a friend wherever fine podcasts are downloaded

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Matt Gourley returned from a paternity leave, sharing that he spent quality time with both daughters, with his youngest, Nell, being notably different from his first daughter.
  2. Gourley humorously reflects on postpartum physical and emotional changes, including weight gain and a temporary drop in testosterone, which he attributes to evolutionary biology and parental bonding.
  3. He shares a heartfelt moment about the impact of his absence during his children’s early years, emphasizing how parenting has reshaped his perspective and emotional state.
  4. The conversation touches on the importance of postpartum mental health, with Gourley revealing he suffered from postpartum anxiety and depression, which ultimately led to his decision to step back from public life.
  5. Gourley’s breast cancer diagnosis was caught early due to a lifetime risk assessment test, which identified a high risk (37.3%) and led to timely detection and treatment.
  6. He highlights the need for routine lifetime risk assessment screenings in medical care, advocating for policy changes to make such screenings standard practice.
  7. The episode includes personal anecdotes about fatherhood, humor, and bonding, such as watching action movies with his baby and joking about his "postpartum glow" and parenting quirks.
  8. Olivia Munn shares her own experience with parenting and emotional fatigue, connecting with Gourley’s journey and underscoring the shared challenges of balancing motherhood, career, and self-care.

Summary:

The episode features a heartfelt reunion between Conan O'Brien’s friend Matt Gourley and Olivia Munn, celebrating his return after an extended paternity leave. Gourley shares insights into his journey as a father, highlighting the contrast between his two daughters—his energetic first daughter and the calm, smiling youngest, Nell. He reflects on physical changes post-parenthood, including weight gain and a temporary drop in testosterone, which he ties to evolutionary instincts of parental bonding.

A key emotional thread is his experience with postpartum anxiety and depression, which he overcame with support and early medical intervention. He credits a lifetime risk assessment test with detecting his breast cancer at a manageable stage, emphasizing how such screening could save lives. Gourley advocates for routine risk assessments in healthcare, calling for policy changes to make them standard.

The conversation also explores parenting challenges, including the emotional toll of early parenthood and the importance of self-care. Olivia Munn shares her own parenting struggles and emotional fatigue, drawing a powerful connection to Gourley’s journey. The episode blends humor, vulnerability, and advocacy, underscoring the shared realities of fatherhood, mental health, and the importance of proactive healthcare.

It concludes with a warm, reflective tone, celebrating personal growth and the resilience of parents navigating life’s unexpected turns.

FAQs

Matt Gourley took an extended paternity leave of a few months, which he described as a world record for a father.

While on leave, he watched World War II and Dirty Harry movies with his baby, which he said was a great way to engage his daughter and help her brain develop.

Yes, Matt mentioned he gained weight during his postpartum period, including gaining 10 pounds, and noted he had a noticeable increase in body size and breast development.

Matt discussed a drop in testosterone levels postpartum, which he described as a natural, evolutionary process to strengthen the bond between fathers and children.

Matt described his parenting experience as deeply emotional and meaningful, saying it was one of the most magical and fulfilling times of his life.

Matt shared he experienced postpartum anxiety and struggled with low milk production, which led to emotional distress and a spiral into postpartum depression.

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