Octavia Spencer Teases MA 2, Winning an Oscar, Will Smith Changing Her Life EP 89 | The Crew Has It

And thank you so much for telling me that I'm going to be in Ma too, which is what you just said during the holiday. Okay, I hate. You will, but I don't know for how long. I got it. I got it. I got it. That's all I need to hear. Oh, you. You. You. You. You. Last one to the airport by breakfast. By breakfast. Day one, day one. Day one. What do we have here today? This is, this is crazy. This is a legendary episode. This is like, this is top one. This is my top one. I mean, like, before this, I have to be top one of icons. We have Mary J. Blige, you know, like, but this is just, this is unbelievable. So we have in the building today one of my favorite people on planet Earth. Okay. She is exactly who you think she is, who you've heard she is. Everything you've heard about this woman being the best, just the best person on planet Earth is true. We have Octavia Spencer in the building. Okay. And we don't have to talk about it much because everyone knows the story, but this is true. Okay. And then we'll go into the episode. So when I was a poor little actor and I had not done power yet. I think I'd maybe done one episode. We shot this movie, Ma, which I hold this movie so close to my heart. It was the first, like, big film I was ever cast in everything. Do you remember what the first thing you said to me was when I walked into our chemistry read? Tom Cruise or something? Yes. It was like, Brando or Cruise. I can't, I'm like, you look like Tom Cruise. I was so scared. It was a chemistry read with Octavia Spencer. I was so scared. I was so scared. Michael, you have no idea how scared I was. That's why I walk in. And immediately, this is just shows the type of person she is. Immediately she goes, we got a young Tom Cruise in here. All my, I was not scared. I was like, she just made me feel comfortable. Cut to eight months later. We shoot the movie. And she gets the whole cast to her house. She's like, okay, we're going to get publicist. We're going to start promoting the movie, all this stuff. And then I was like, yeah, yeah, I text her the next day. I'm like, I'm in 18,000 dollars with a credit card debt Octavia. Like, I, I can't afford a publicist. She said, okay, no worries. Like, legitimately 12 hours later, I had her whole PR team on my team and she paid for it. Is that not the craziest thing of all? Never, didn't say it. Whatever. They just call me. They said, okay, you're starting. You're on fee. So then when I booked power, you know, six months later, I gave her the check and full. But, but that just shows the type of person she is. So now I just want to hear Octavia speak for the next hour because she's going to be dropping Jim's all the time. Well, so here's, here's the thing. I, I do that a lot because I know what it was like to be a broke actor and to not have any. Well, I, we started building community, but the people that I built community with were also very broke. Yeah. And then we had one very rich friend, Stephen Rogers, who wrote Itanya so many movies. Yeah. But I only wanted to go to Stephen when it was like rent and like quite a few bills. So I just wanted to quietly do that for people who are on their rise up. You can't do it for people who are just fresh out the gate and don't have anything because it's going to be a long investment. But for people who have the promise of because they have booked that job and we don't know if that job is going to turn into the thing which for you it obviously did, you just want to be a person who says, okay, I'm going to quietly do this for you and you just have to pay it for it. So you weren't meant to pay it back. You were meant to pay it for it. But I'm glad you paid it back. Yeah. If I could just say some of that. Yeah, no, you have no idea how much it actually literally helped me. Like, I got a lot of great opportunities from that. I did super because I did men's health like train with this. I did the coolest stuff ever. So I can't thank you enough. And I remember you were like, don't tell anyone. And I was like, I have to tell everyone. Don't hold up the thing is, I felt like all those kids had, you know, Diana was a model. So I thought that everybody had teams already. And I know Dante was on a show. So I thought that everyone had teams. And if any one of the kids, you know, outside of you had said, I want to, I need help. I would have said, okay, this is how we're going to do it the same way. But you were the only one brave enough to say, I don't have this kind of money. And I love what you're saying, but I don't have the money. I'm not morbid. I just don't have the money. So I would have done that. Right. We got to keep it 100. Yeah. It just means, you know, tell the immediate person. You don't have to tell the whole world. Right. And if the immediate person is a person of substance and character, they should help you out. Yeah. You know? Yeah, the only reason you said that was, you didn't do it for people to know. You did it just to help me. Yeah. But then I was like, you know what? People should know how great of a person actually is. So that's all that is. But, um, so actually, yeah, now that we're in a little bit of ma talk. When, when that, uh, movie happened and after we shot it, what, like, what did you think of it? Did you think it was going to be this giant cult movie? Did you think it was going to be a blockbuster? Like, what was kind of going through your head? You only, let me tell you something. Jason Blom. Yeah. Re-invigorated that genre. It was one of my, it is my favorite genre because within the horror genre, you have comedy and thriller and the gore, you know, you get a drama. If it's done right, remember Perry? Yeah. It has all of the supernatural. It has all of the other genres within it. So it's my favorite. Um, I was hoping, you know, that it would be, uh, like all of the other movies that are a part of his, um, company. What I didn't expect and thank God, well, not thank God for the pandemic because I'm still. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see you for three years. You duck off. No one saw you. So you need, this is why we live beneath our means because we don't know. Yeah. We don't know because I literally kept looking out, you know, for my mail, for any, I'm still, I look out the window. Put it right there. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. I'm still that person now, but, um, I, I didn't, I was not outside. Yeah. I did not, I didn't, if I didn't have to work, I didn't work. And if, if I, if I, if I weren't working on something that had strict protocols, I wasn't working. Yeah. But the pandemic is what made Ma what it is because people were in their homes because they did well in the theaters. Yeah. We made it for five million dollars and it made like 68, 70 through. I don't know how many millions, um, worldwide, which is a great success. But what made it this phenomenon is when it started to go to all these different streaming platforms. Last year, now that was, we did mine in 2018, 29, it came out in 2019. Yeah. So we, it came out in 2019. We did it, did it in the end of 2018 top, but we had reshoots at the top of 2019. Last year was 2025. I was filming and Prague. It was the number six movie in the world. My gosh. The number six movie in the world on Netflix. But prior to that, it went to number one on HBO Max. It went to number one on every peak up every streaming platform. So it was going crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and if you get me at the wrong time of the day, you know, having not having not had any coffee and I'm having a little, you know, expression, you know, looking a little bewildered, um, people think I'm on. So the iconic mod laugh. It's every, it's like, I actually, I thought we were making like this giant. So we were making like, get out like this was like my first thing. I'm like, and then you see it's like, can't be in fun. I'm like, oh, this isn't what I expected it. Yeah. But I'm so glad that that's what it turned into. I'm glad it's what it turned into too. Um, but now I do want it to be. Yes. And tense. And so that's why it's taking a bit to, um, and that's all I'm going to say. I knew more little Easter eggs and all the none of that. Me and Octavia walk a little bit. We go for walks together. And she's like, I don't know. We'll see if you're in two. I'm like, oh, what the? I don't know. Oh, you know, I want to ask you, how is G on set? Because I have a lot of experience with him on set. But I've never spoken to anybody else that worked with him on set. I was, you know, because me and him on set together, like, it's kind of, I mean, it's great. Actually, we're kind of cooked on set. He was great on set. He was really great on set. The other thing is it was, it was an interesting, uh, I mean, everybody was, I felt like, uh, the old lady because everybody was 21 and younger on the set. And we all, uh, like lived within spaces. So we would, it was a wonderful working environment that you would work. You get off work, go eat dinner at the same place, like at this house that we all were living on the property. And then, um, everybody would just have parties. And I'm like, you know what? I can't be doing this. I got to go to bed. So I will. - I went to bed every night. - I kind of followed. - Yeah, you did, you did. - Because I was like, I wanted to be. - Because the work, if you are up all night, like what you see right now, America, I just got back from essence fest and I was at the Blackjack tables till 230. - People don't know that about activity. - We love our penny slots, but then when my friends are around, I will hit a Blackjack table for a couple of hours because it's just so much fun. - How did the Blackjack cheat you? - I got spanked. - I got spanked. - That's why I don't like playing Blackjack all the time. You can't play cards, you can play penny slots 'cause it's like, you know, all the sound effects, but you are, let me tell you something, Gianni, and I'm gonna say this to your face and to your audience, you are a consummate professional. Both of you, I have not worked with you, but I know that I've worked with you. And I said to you, if they ever do a Brando movie, you need to work hard and go after it. And I hold by that because I know that you have the acting chops. I've worked with you and I know how seriously you take the craft. So all joking aside, I think you're the real deal and you have what it takes and keep your head on straight because they're gonna be a lot of temptation. (laughs) - Oh, we got them. - I know. - We got them. - All right, can we go right in there? Like, can we clip what I gave you and just say, can we get that everywhere please? That's going on my grave started. - Listen, I have seen some greatness in my time, you know? And I, I mean, look at Michael B. Jordan. - I know. - Look at him. Look at our Diana. - Mm-hmm. - Diana. - It's just, so it's, I feel, little McKin, I've been very blessed to work with people who were either extremely established or on their way and I mean, you're making your own way. And I love that you're also doing this also. 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So obviously you started in Alabama, you were doing extras casting, right? So did Hollywood seem so far away when that happened? Or was it just because it was in front of you that it kind of felt accessible? - Okay, I have to tell you just how green I was. So my dad died when I was 13. Excuse me, my mom died when I was 17. But my mom was, my mom and dad, she raised us. And because she was widowed. The interesting thing is I, we were very poor and my experience, I experienced the world through books, traveled the world through books. And I didn't understand how Hollywood worked. I didn't know that they didn't just film movies and Hollywood. And I thought maybe Hollywood, maybe California, had no idea that they filmed all across the world and all across the nation. So when a movie came to my hometown, you know that I was going to, whatever it took, I was gonna be in that movie. Well, I wasn't in the movie. (laughing) - Did you get your audition or anything? - I, they did a cattle call. And of course, thousands of people showed up and I was one of the thousands. And then I was like, well, if I can't beat 'em, I'm gonna have to join 'em. And I wore those people down there. I knew where they were filming. I knew where their offices were. And they set up office a good four months prior. - Yep. - I called every day and they knew my voice. No, we're not hiring, no, we're not hiring. Then I found out where they were located. I went by every day after school. Are you hiring or are you hiring? And they were like, finally, ah! Well, take you as an intern. - How long did it take for them to take you as an intern? - Oh, so I called about two months straight. Every day, which is what you have to do. I called about two months straight every day. And I went over there every day after school for about a month. And then the producer, Dave Bell. I still love him to this day. It was like, you're not gonna stop coming by on you. (laughing) - That is hilarious. - That's why you are where you are. - Exactly, and that exact story. And that's how you like, you just do that across a, like, it's so amazing to see. - Yeah. - I love it. So you work on this film and then it's over. When do you make the jump to move the LA? 'Cause that's a crazy thing. Like, I'm a kid from Rhode Island. But you're like a young black woman from Alabama. Like, it. So, here's the other thing that I learned from working on that one film. And this was true. I worked with the location casting director, rest her soul, a woman by the name of Shirley Crumbly, who really starred in my career behind the scenes. And she worked all over the southeast. And, but when you work on one film, if you stay and do the honors of watching the credits is to honor the people that you work with. And what you find after working on one film or one television show, you will know someone on every single project. Every single film or television show from that point on. And I thought, "Well, I can move to Los Angeles. I know, you know, I've worked on six films. I probably know six people." But I did. Oh God, man, now that I think about how committed you have to be. Because if I think about it now, I don't know. With age, that's when fear sets in. With youth, that's when you are bold, that's when you are emboldened, that's when you chase your dreams. With age and you start making a little money and at some point in your career, what I call you get into the golden handcuffs, you're less likely to move. I think about it now. I drove cross country with $3,000. The most important thing I had was my television set. I could not move to Los Angeles without a TV. And it was the big, the, before, the big bag. The big bag TV. $3,000, a laundry basket with a laundry basket suitcases and a television set. I don't know that I would, I honestly given the way the industry is now. My heart goes out to all the people who are trying to break in now. I tell people, I'm like, make a TikTok. Start getting, you know, established somewhere. So he, because now there's people who, I mean, look at Noah Beck. Like, I don't know who that is. But like, he's a TikToker. And now he's the lead of Baywatch because he had 20 million TikTok followers. And he got him a full probably six person team at CAA. But, but I know it's the same face that I make, too, for, for not saying that about you know, I'm saying about, I have this problem with people who aren't trained actors. If you're a trained actor, you do that great. It's just personality should not be feeling this space. Like, like, if I wanted to go out there and model, you're, you're a model, Octavia. I mean, I think I am. But you get what I'm saying. I get you mean, I just think like it's, you should, if you love acting, you should be an actor and train and do that. But it's such an easier way to get your foot in the door. If you create, if you make your own audience or, or some type of thing, I think you should, I agree with that. What do you think? I agree. I agree. Because also like, when you say you're in negotiations or, or not even in negotiations or if you're up for a part, like the, you have in your own audience and you bring in, you know, you're whatever following that you have towards a project. It, you know, it kind of entices people to, you know, make that decision on picking you because they, or they have their, they already solidify fan base and they'll bring their fan base and kind of mesh it with the fan base that is going to end up watching the movies. I get that. I get that if it were an unscripted show. Yeah. Because let me tell you something, honey, when you're an actor, you know how it is when you have 10 pages of dialogue that you have to get through, well, you know, in movies, it's 10 pages and television is about 15 as leads. And you have a person who isn't studied and they come to work and they don't know those lines. Uh-huh. And they drag the day out, you know, I mean, four hour day turns into what's supposed to be a four hour day turns to eight out. Not on my set. Yeah. If you get the job and you aren't ready, you will learn to be ready on my set. Um, it's just is people have lives and crews, the crews have lives, you know, this is the job. And so you need to understand the arena that you're stepping is stepping into. You have to respect it. You have to respect the craft. I don't mind you getting it because you have followers, but you need to learn the craft and you need to respect it and respect the people who work in front of and behind the scenes. And when you show up late and when you show up ill-prepared, it's going to affect everybody's lives outside of that. Now, you may not have kids and you may not want to get home to see in time enough to go to your kids recital or basketball game. But, you know, that key grip might. Yeah. So that's the other thing that comes in hand with the artwork in front of the camera. But there's a respect that's due to the people that you work with behind the cameras. And as an actor and produce the mama does not play that. Yeah. I was prepared. Yeah. I just think, as a way, like if you haven't, and you're trying to break in, obviously like absolutely the craft is number one. Yes. But also like you could give yourself an advantage if you do stuff right in a certain way. But you like, we tell people all the time, if you, if you want to be famous, go be on Love Island. Yes. If you want to be famous, go do something whatever. If you want to be an actor, you have to love this shit. Because if, when it comes down to, I mean, dude, the last eight months of my life has been opera project, opera project, opera project. And I'm just like, you're just so like, but I love it. So, but the people who just want to be famous are like, well, I'm not booking it. And then all of a sudden, like the castings lady from Love Island, DMZ, and you're like, oh, I'll just go do this. It's like, you're going to go the easy way out. Right. You have to get the love. And, and the other thing is you, you are an actor. You know, you, you, and the, here's, and I don't want to, to discourage people who are doing what they need to do to break into film by doing short films, do that by doing, but I do want to say something to the people who like to pull pranks and put cameras in front of people and build followers that way. It's a little dangerous these days to do that. I say, yeah, just be careful with that. But I listen, make do short films, do things that are meaningful, meaningful to you and, and stand out because it's, it's, it's hard, it's a harder business to break into now, even though there are so many more platforms. Yeah. There's so much to watch and so much to consume, you know, that you do want to, you want to put your own personal stamp on it. But if you're, if you're in result is to be famous, just be famous on TikTok. Yeah. If you're in result is to be an artist, your time will come. Yeah. So, so you moved here and then you started, did you do groundlings with Melissa and I did not do it with Melissa and Ben and Tate and the gang, I would go watch them. I, I was, I was there. And before they even got to Sunday, I was watching their, let me tell you something, that was the best $15. You could spend watching them do the groundlings, workshops and classes. It is still one of my favorite memories and fondest memories and look at all of them now. No, it's crazy. It's beautiful. I still go now and I'm like, this is only $25 and you still, I couldn't imagine seeing like around that time was Will Ferrell in Sunday company or no, Will Ferrell was already on, but this was the Kristen wig. Yeah. You saw some probably. Sweetie. Sweetie. Sweetie. Sweetie. It was the best time. I mean, it really was, really, but, but, so why did you never, I took class. Yeah. I took class. I took their, oh, God, I can't remember with, with Tony Suppol, but I love Tony. Yeah. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. We, at the end of every class, if you're in Los Angeles and are thinking about doing anything, you definitely want to start with the groundlings. I always help you. For comedy. Yeah. It was, I still remember the basic rules. Now, am I good at it? Probably not. Yeah. You know, I definitely won't be as good as the people who went through the program, but I did do it. And it was after every class, I think we all, it was as if I'd done ab workouts and we would laugh so hard. It's so easy. Don't you remember it being that, that amazing? I went through, yeah, I went through everything. I went through all the way up to writing track, I think. I'm just not that kind of like, I'm more of a UCB improv improviser. We're like, I like the funny idea and I like throwing the funny ideas in as opposed to groundlings is like, you better come out with a character. Like, that's not my type of comedy, but I love watching it and I respect it. And I almost like watching it more than the UCB comedy. I'm just more of a UCB improviser. I understand that. And you know, the other thing about the groundlings that is very insightful is that a lot of, because they go through the writing program, they come out of it as people who create people who write. And it's that you want to be the person generating the work, not waiting for it. So that's the other thing I would say, get into those types of programs if you can. Did you, and you met Melissa McCarthy there? I met Melissa McCarthy there. I, no, not there. I met Tate Taylor, who directed Ma was in the groundlings with Ben and Melissa and Jim Rash and Nat facts. Oh, I love Nat. I play hockey with Nat. Okay. Oh my god. And then Dax Shepard. I mean, I met through all I met that crowd through Tate, and fell in love with Ben and Melissa, just and Jim. I mean, I just would go and watch them, and you know I have a horrible, loud screech. - But it's the best. Like, I have this, I am the same type of loud. - So like, my laugh is loud. But they probably loved that you were there, 'cause you, they would always know, they would always know when I was in theater. It was so much fun, it was so much fun. - So, so, groundlings, you're kind of doing short films. You've done a couple of shorts with Tate and Melissa, and everyone, you kind of got your little troop together. When was like the first thing? 'Cause I know, I remember you did stuff on Blue Street. You do small stuff here and there. - I actually started working the minute I got to town, because I had worked on a short film that Sandra Bullock directed with Matthew McConaughey. And I had worked, before I moved to town, I did a time to kill with Matthew McConaughey and Sandy and Sam. And so, when I moved to town, it was to house it, but I already had a credit, and then Sandy directed a short film, and I worked behind the scenes on it, and she gave me a part in it, and Tate. So, I had Tate, and I got an agent with Sandy and Matthew, and it was insane. So, I had Tate, and then I went on to do, from that, the DP on that short film, was doing a Disney movie, and got me in with Marlon Way, and so, Marlon and I go way, way back, and Kadim Hardison, and I did that. So, I was getting little jobs, to keep things going the entire time I was out here. So, there's like, she touched down, she had motion. She had motion immediately. But, that's the way I think the issue's a horse. Like, that's why, that's fine. Yeah, it's nuts. We're gonna take a break from the episode, and talk to you guys about our friends at Rocket Money. 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But from that moment, I thought I was successful. So every job after that, my agent at the time, Michael Green, he's the one who got me-- you have to graduate, right? If you do one line, then you can no longer take one line parts. If you do characters that don't have names, but they're going to give you your day rate, then Michael would say, her character has to have a name. Yeah. It's Gary Babynars. And so then he would say, no, you can no longer do a co-star. If you're offered a role, even if it is as small as a co-star, you have to be build guest star. So that's-- it was always a gradual graduation to the next in transition to the next echelon. But I felt like I was successful the very first moment somebody paid me. And if you keep that mentality throughout, people will continue to pay you. Especially if you're doing what you need to do to grow as an actor. But here's when my whole world changed. I was doing a movie with Razaria Dawson and Will Smith. And I can't think of the name of it. Because when you've been up all night, and then coming out of London-- When you've been doing a lot of movies and movies-- Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's usually top of mind. What is it? Seven pounds, that's right. You forgot seven pounds? That's what I call it. That's what I didn't forget it. But it's right here, it's right here. And because I'm a rule follower most of the time. And when you come to set, they're like, they get you through here and make up. And then they want you to sit in a trailer. And I was so sick of sitting in the trailer. And I'll never forget this. I came out of my-- they put me in a honeywag. And I've been working for years. And I saw Will as I was going to make up-- And I come out of the trailer as I'm on my way to make up. And I was, I will. And he's like, hi. And I worked on that for three days. And this was the first day. And he stopped. And he looked. And I was like, Will is looking at me. What's going on? I go up to hair make up the next day I come back. And they put me in a triple banger. And I was like, well, I wonder what happened here. And then Will drove up. And he said, you like what they gave you? And I was like, Will, change my-- this-- without-- you know what I'm saying? I know exactly where you're saying it. The respect, the choir respect, loved Will. And then I said, well, how often am I going to be on a set with Will Smith? I'm going to go there. I'm going to watch. So I told the base camp PA, I'm going up to set. That's where I'll be. I'll make sure I tell the '80s where I am. Because I know y'all start freaking out. And I watched how he interacted with the cast. I watched the subtle changes that he made. And then from that point forward, I never stay to my-- because you know, I don't stay in my trailer ever. Even when-- I hate it, Taylor. I sit on sets. I only go to my trailer if I have to use a bathroom. Or if lunch, we have to take a break. But I don't like being in my trailer. A, as a producer, it keeps the set moving. But B, it's like watching theater, watching actors in the moment make those beautiful-- select. I mean, I always tried to be on set just to take it all in. But that's when I knew that my life as an actor had changed. Because I realized I had access to watch some of the greatest actors of our time work. And so yes, I go to set. And I still watch when I can get a chance to do that. That's so awesome. Yeah, I agree. It's like you're just-- it's a masterclass in front of you. Yeah. This is what people pay how much money to go watch a movie. You just get to see it being made. Yeah. It's unbelievable. So OK, then when does the help right after that? No, the help. OK, so I have now been acting for 30 years. The help, basically, I became an overnight success in 15 years. So the help came at just-- I moved out here when I was 26. I got the help when I was 42. So it came at the right time at the moment where preparation met gratitude and all of the-- I was ready. Had I gotten it sooner than that? I don't know that I would have been. So that's why I say to everybody, don't run the race of all of your friends thinking that you are supposed to be with them. Your time is your time when you are ready. And when you are ready, the right circumstances will present themselves. And you will be prepared. You will know that the days of worrying about things will be behind you. And so the help-- came when I was well into my moving up the ladder, guest star testing for shows, not getting them. And then, here's the other thing that was very interesting that people didn't know about. I helped. Katherine Stockett asked me to-- it was during pilot season-- and her book had come out. And she had asked me to go on book tour with her. I went all across the south. We were Thailman Louise driving from place to place, doing excerpts, reading excerpts from her book. Because I said, yes. And having done that, then they asked me to do book on tape. And I said, yes. And then from that point, they wanted to do a radio play of the help in London. And I said, well, I don't want anybody else putting their name on many. So I would not allow anybody else to do anything associated with that character. And because I had made this commitment before the book had come out, she didn't have a dime, except to pay for our hotel room. We shared hotel rooms and I snored, poor thing. She didn't get any sleep. I slept like a baby. But I poured into her. And then as the book grew and became bigger and bigger, she poured into me by silently insisting. See, I thought they were allowing me to do the radio, Catherine Stockett insisted. So it does pay to invest in your friends. And if they're good people, they will return the favor. So that changed. But it also, it's about the relationships that you foster and nurture. And you can't just be nurture and relationship with everybody because not everybody has the same mentality and work ethic as you. So do you win an Oscar? Are you on set of the help going, this is going to change my life for you just another project? You can't ever, ever, ever think about that. It is always about the work. It is always-- because then you think, I'm doing the most amazing work because it's going to win me an Oscar. And then you look at it and you're like, no, you were doing very surface work because you would think it about awards instead of the person in front of you doing the same work. The first thing is to get the work in the can. It is hard, as you know, to get any project made. So you pray that you get the project made. Everything after that, honey, is gravy. You want people to see it, but if they never see it, the fact that you made the project is the gift. Anything beyond that is frosting. And some of us need frosting. Well, some of us don't need frosting, but we all like frosting. The frosting turned into an Oscar. So when that happened, were you like, oh my God? Little Octavia Spencer from Alabama has an Oscar. Like, what was going through your mind that night? Before hand, afterwards, would you go out-- God, I want to know-- I never asked you this question. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to wait for the podcast, because I want to know. OK, so here's a learning a lot from Viola. She's from Rhode Island as well, Rhode Island. I represent-- Viola was the voice of reason after we were basically nearing the end of filming. She said, do you have your next job lined up? And I'm thinking, no, no. She said, well, they're going to give this movie a big campaign. You're going to open the movie, and then that rolls into an awards campaign. And it's going to take eight months. So before we even get there, while they're cutting the film, you need to find your next job, unless you're independently wealthy. And I'm like, what do you mean thinking of-- And then I understood what she said, because it was an eight-month commitment. And what I realized is everybody was putting the cart before the horse, everybody. Oh, you guys are going to get nominated. Oh, you're going to win this, that, and the other. And we opened, and the first week, it was, I think, a planet of the apes that we opened at number two. The second week, we became number one. And then we-- so the Odyssey began. But what I realized is we did all of us, Jessica Chastain, everybody was starting to get notices. That's when I realized, I don't want to read any of this stuff. I don't want to buy into any of this stuff, because if it doesn't happen, because other people said that it would happen, I would not have appreciated this journey. I would not have appreciated that I got this transformative role, transformative in my career when I was 42 years old. And I would not have appreciated. I would not have lived in the moment. And so we had gotten all of these nominations. And the night before the Oscar nominations came in, they put me and Viola and Emma at a hotel, just in case, and they do this for everybody, who they think might get nominated. All of the movies, too. And I'm thinking, well, what if we don't get nominated? Everybody's going to know where this hotel. And what we all decided to do is, guys, we have not recognized what we have been able to achieve up into this point. If the Oscar nominations come tomorrow, and we don't get Oscar nominations, we're going to be disappointed. So why don't we just go ahead right now and just celebrate what we've been able to accomplish with this movie, and Oscars be damned? Let's just do that right now. And we did. And we had the best dinner. We had the best time at Tate Brunson, me, Emma, Viola, Viola, husband, all of us. And so the next morning, when we were watching Anna O'Reilly, all of us were just there. And the nominations are coming. And my category, they did it alphabetically. And it was down to the last square. And it could have been me or Shaline Woodley. And I said to myself, thank God I had the presence of mind to celebrate last night, because this is not happening. And I'm already-- I've already won. And then they said, Octavius Spencer. And I'm like, thank you, Jesus. I wasn't on. [LAUGHTER] And that was just the nomination. That was just the nomination. You see how quickly things could have changed on a dime? The last block, my name was the last block. And Shaline was brilliant. Yes. So descendants. Descendants. And it was like, OK, if I hadn't checked myself and said, you need to be thankful for where-- because that Oscar stuff may not happen. And there was a second, one second that I thought it hadn't. OK. And then it goes to Oscar night. Same thing. You're grateful that you're like, I want to win now. You know what? There was this moment that I used to just roam my eyes when people would say, the win is the nomination. OK. I want to thank the Academy because the nomination itself. And I need you guys to understand. The Oscars has never expanded how many people can be nominated per category. It is still only five. So your top five performances of your peers, you are chosen as one of the five best performances of the year, one of the five best directors. If you are not grateful-- yeah, you want to win. Everybody wants to win. But if you don't realize that, first of all, your movie got made. Second of all, your movie got awards recognition. And you personally were recognized. It is a win. Take the win. And if you don't go home with the trophy, you've already won. But I used to just go, the nomination itself. And then I had two subsequent nominations. So trust me when I say, I am grateful every time anything I've ever done is recognized. And I want anybody who's always on the cusp of booking the job. Your time will come. You got to release that, release needing it. Just do the work and enjoy the process. And I promise you, you will get-- it will come. It will come. I remember when Taraji got nominated. I was so thrilled. I did you get nominated for it? Benjamin Button. Oh, yes. Oh, she was so good in that movie. I was like, oh my god, because it just-- it made me so happy when Viola got her first nomination. It made me realize there is enough pie for all of us to be nominated. And all of us to get a piece of the pie, to get those roles. And when you start thinking of the pie as infinite, then there's enough for it. If you think there's not enough pie, then there won't be it's all the mind. It's the mindset on it's the mindset is so where did you go after you one? I went to We went to what's the big party body shop the strip club. Oh, no, oh, sorry On the bar I was thinking about where me and Michael were going. I take it got bottle service Me and Oscar. Oh, it oh, no. No, we we oh God. What is the big part? You see what's happening to my brain the big you have an incredible memory though You remember everyone's name like you really well. I used to but these days, you know sleep deprivation It's a thing boys. It's a thing you guys don't understand I mean my sleep and you're you've been working look. I want to get into that in a second, but yeah, yeah It was it was it was a lot that the big fashion party after the Oscars Is it gq? No vanity. Thank you, baby. You see what's happening. Yeah, memory We went to vanity fair and there they had The burgers that we love In and out. Yes, Michael B did is in and out and we all let me tell you something because you're starving all day Yeah, yeah, yeah, and when you and let me just go ahead and tell you When you and the this is the other reason why I no longer wear gowns Where pants when I wore my first tuxedo. It was like thank you. Jesus. I think I'm done with dresses There's so much underwear and all this stuff that you have to wear and so you can't drink or eat all day for some women and And I'm that some women so by the end of the night you are thankful that somebody thought of in an outburst Yeah, so yeah, where you just wrapped up in that dress all night like the not done I was like a tube of a bisque the biscuits Once you pop them. Yeah, you cannot eat nothing goes Once you pop the business So good did you sleep at all that night or you just like wow no because the next morning I had they did the winners with Kelly Rippa and it was three o'clock in the morning and We so I knew that they were doing it live for the East Coast. Yeah, so there was no sleep What a night. It was a it was a wonderful night. It was a combination There's no point. Yeah, they're listening there. There is no sleep there is a lot of adrenaline and you've been Promoting your film promoting the filmmakers promoting your casting crew for months and That night, you know, it just you know for for people who win or for people who don't I hope it's the same for people who don't Well, you know what? I've not won twice and After the help you after the help I saw Viola win. I was there for her win And after the help I saw my dear friend Alice and Jenny win. Yeah, so cool that both your friends were nominated Yeah, well the help We now Bryce Dallas Howard will get to win an Oscar as a director and an actress and and I was there when Emma won her Second, we're shooting Ma at the time and you flew back to go to the Oscars that that was the year that Viola won. Yes and I was and then she flew back and was on set by 6 a.m Yes, you're in cereal. Same person. Well, we And and the jet that the studio sent Had a flat tire in Christy and David nut sent us on their jet. Oh, yeah I was like we got to go on it. I can't miss that's hilarious. I miss okay, so You were just in Prague for eight months and you shot right or die. Yeah with Hannah Wattingham Okay, and she's from Ted Lasso. Yes, and I'm so excited to see it because you've been telling me about it for like a year at this point It's so you're both your friends and your assassins. Well, no, I am a lawyer. Uh-huh Basically is an expat. I live in London. Okay, and gave up my career in America To because I fell in love and I run my family's life and my husband has aspirations to be the prime minister. He is A you Oh God not see my brain now now. He's basically a congressman. Yeah, you know the equivalent to a congressman But we're both lawyers and he's a barista in in England, but we're both lawyers and Hannah's character is my best friend see I thought my character was living the exciting life. Yeah, she was just a forensic accountant and she we've been friends for 20 25 years and Comes to find out she is not leading a boring life. She is an assassin. That sounds amazing, and you produce sounds like I produce this with Andy Muscetti and Barbara Muscetti cool, and Skydance. Nice. They they I have a deal with Skydance television will now pair them out and They brought me the project and when I tell you test the coats the writer young British writer It was the absolute best pitch I had ever heard Now you know our agents tell us when you go in and they and somebody is pitching you Don't commit you know Because there's a game that you play, you know, it's like oh you have to yeah, I'm not on I don't know and then and then that's your bargaining chip of well if you want or you're gonna have to pay $567,337 and 30 32 cents a minute, you know that kind of stuff. So you never ever it's like getting engaged on the first date Which is what I did we've all been there right Michael. I got engaged. I'm very first day. I literally Okay, when I heard that pitch I After hearing it, I said well, I know my team is going to be very upset, but I'm in The comedic time perfect. I love it. Oh, yeah I'm so the trailer looks so good. I'm so excited to see it at did you so you shot in Prague and obviously there's different like rules there So did you shoot like a bunch of episodes at a time you shoot out of order like we shot We had eight episodes and this is my favorite thing is that we did so that we wouldn't have Eight different directors. I I I love directors, but I hate adjusting to eight different ones when you're in the middle It's just like no give them two at a time. So we had We had our directors. We put everything in a block. So We had the great Peyton Reed do our first block and then Domain Davis our second block. I mean we had amazing director. So we shot we shot the first two We shot him in order not in order, but The first two the second to the third fourth and we would just mix up the The the shooting schedule within those episodes. I feel like you do more films and I feel like film goes a little more Chronological in order as TV not really do you feel some type of way because like I mean you're probably the best actor. I know But do you feel some type of way about because personally? I never liked on power that we shot out of order because I could have a scene with my father and then it goes one way and then I'm talking about it 30 minutes later in the episode and it's not how the scene went in the moment. So do you feel like I'm oh I've always wanted to ask you that. Well, that is part of the homework, which is you know I I this so I have a crazy Routine that I do I learn all of my dialogue for the next week. I like to be seven days ahead On dialogue, so I learn all of my dialogue on which is why I don't do dialogue changes If you have seen changes they need to happen The the week before like I the dialogue changes the day of it's like well I'm gonna be thinking about words and I'm just gonna be uttering words, which I don't like yeah So with television as you guys know, it's so quick And we have so much work to cover so I do all of the My memorization a week before so that it can just kind of get into my body And then I just in my notebook. I keep track of Where the scenes like what happened before what I'm not supposed to know what I never do though is I I don't want to know stuff in the future. So If my character is not aware of it, and it's going to affect seem work. I really hate that You know what I mean 100% Because in life, we don't know what's gonna happen for a moment to moment So I don't want the character to be informed that way. I love that. Yeah, it is kind of tough like in in power The table read you have all this stuff like you're just gonna know stuff. It's kind of hard But I'm so excited. I'm asking everything a week. It's not you know, I'll forget it the next day Like I'll memorize everything and forget it the next day. Oh my God. Well the way not to do it, you memorize it over the weekend and then I run everything, I start Monday and Tuesday's work on Friday night. And then Saturday I run Monday, Tuesday and I pick up Wednesday's work. And Sunday I run the rest of the week and then each night before I work, I run that day's work. So that is fresh. So that's why I don't do dinners and I don't do all of that stuff because my job is to be ready for the work day. But you don't have a specific process of how you, if you don't have an acting process, you're just like memorize the lines and you get there in the moment or do you, is there something that you do specific, because I remember on my, I would see, I remember specifically when I was, I was laying on the ground for like four days after the iron burn and you would like, you did a lot of spate, like your hand space work like improv, you would like get the lines as you would do and kind of get it in your body. But that's all I really saw about your process, do you have a specific process and you don't have to answer it. Oh, I do. I, there is a, so there's all of the acting, 90% of my homework, of my process happens at home. And then you, when you, when you, when you are your character, when you, when you do all that homework and you go on to the, the set, everything else that happens in spunt, is spontaneous and it happens in discovery. So then you, you change to that. But you know, if I, if I try to memorize how I'm going to do a line and the director doesn't like how my delivery is, then I'm screwed. So I learn the lines, just learning the lines and I make, I make a choice about what the character thinks and it's going to do in that moment. But the choice never is about how a line is going to be delivered because I don't know. If I'm supposed to be in love in the moment and you piss me off in the moment, there will be love through anger, you know? If I am sad in the moment, but the line requires, you know, and something funny happens, it, it'll go through this emotional loop and to me, that's what's fun about what we do is that discovery process, you know? Yeah, a hundred percent. I think that's the best part. Yeah. Like being on set. So all right, make sure you go see it. It's July 15th. It'll be July 15th on Prime Video. On Prime Video, July 15th, we're going to do a rapid fire question then we'll get you out of here. Oh geez. I'm so excited to see it. I can't wait. Ride or die, July 15th. Okay. Actor who makes you laugh the hardest. Melissa McCarthy. Yeah. Yes. Um, director, you would work with tomorrow. You could have worked with them before, or never worked with them. I have so many Ryan Kugler. I would love to do something with again. Sean Anderson. You produced Fruitville? I was an executive producer of FruitVale. I've got to do this. He's like, the high executive. No, no, no. There's a difference. Yeah. The producer is there from day one. Yeah. Okay. An executive producer is a person who can either put money in. So, you know, I, the producer is the person who puts the project together and I will not take any of that credit from Nina Yang, Bon Jovi, and Forrest Whitaker. They deserve the praise for that movie. But I would work. Can I just give you a list? Please. I want to work with Reginald Huddlin. Um, I, because I love, um, I love him, but I, I would love to do Guillermo again. I mean, shape, you did shape a water. You did shape a water with him. I've always loved Guillermo, Ryan, Sean Anders, uh, Reginald Huddlin. I mean, there's so many. I'm, uh, listen, so many, I, I'm so many, I, I can't even, I can't even, you, I mean, you've worked, did you, you work with Spielberg? I have not worked with Spielberg yet. Okay. All right, Steven. What's wrong with you, Steven? That's hilarious. Uncle Steven. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah. Um, one role that you wish you could have gotten or could do. The role that I was dying to play my entire life is that of a producer, because then I'm not limited to, limited to just the one role I want to play. Yeah. I get to determine how many, uh, different roles I can play and bring all my friends along. Yeah. Was there anything that you were up for that, um, that you didn't get me like, but I was heartbroken for that. There was a movie, um, called, uh, Dragonfly, um, where, uh, Kevin Costner plays his doctor, whose wife was, she was in doctors without border or doctors with border, I can't think of it. Yeah, yeah. Um, and she died in a foreign country and he didn't know that he had a baby. And the, uh, and, and that's what it was all about. Well, I'd just gave it away, but he hadn't seen it, but, um, it was, but there was a nurse that worked with him. He was also a doctor and it was one of the best, cause I played a billion nurses, but this particular nurse had a lot to do. And I did that thing where I slid down the wall. I was in the shower when I, I had gone back and back and back and back too many damn call back through this role and, uh, I was in the show, I got the call from the agent. It's not going any further. And I said, okay, great. I went back, I went, I made an impression. I think I went back like six times for that. I got in the shower and I always said, this is so stupid, the way they have these women sliding down the back of the, the, the, the, the shower, nobody cries like that. And I just slid down the shower, I just slid down the shower and my towel went down the drain and I was just sitting there. And the only reason I stopped is because the bathtub started to flood. It was so stupid. That's actually hilarious. Stupid. Um, this was supposed to be rabifying. You see why you can't tell. I'm going to talk. I love it. I like trust me. I love it. One celebrity that people would be shocked that you've texted. I don't think anybody would be shocked that I have texted any celebrities. I don't know who, I hold up, I, I text everybody. No, that's how I was like, who, who, um, I'm, I'm trying to think of athletes. I'm kidding. Oh, no. No. The table is dating. NBA play. She's court side. She's like, she's like, it wasn't me, no, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I mean, shoot, you know, I'm, I'm texting a lot of you. You are friends with every, I mean, I text a lot of people. Yeah. I, I, and then if I say somebody's name, it's going to make it feel like it's like controversial. So I refrain from that. Okay. You know, my phone book everybody has weird names, just in case I lose it. Have you ever, have you ever lost your phone or anything like that? No, because I hold it like, like, like grandma. Yeah. That's hilarious. Best TV show of all time. See, I can't give you just a one. I would say the wire. i would say game of thrones i would say uh. uh. uh. what's his name uh. water white oh yeah breaking bad breaking rica's my number one uh. and uh. uh. um. um. um. um. shonda rimes that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um as well written. See the reason why I think our show is good and the reason why I think those shows were good is because they had the scripts, they had the time to spend on the scripts. Yeah, you know. See I did a movie with Sylvie Turner last year and she plays a movie start in the movie so the director was like giving me homework, she's like watch Game of Thrones, like that was my homework to make it seem like she's and I was like I don't know I don't really get to do dragons. Yeah, but I was like I don't really I didn't really understand Game of Thrones, I was like I okay, but I just watched in the past couple weeks Night of Sembing Kingdoms, I finished the whole thing in two days unbelievable. I liked it. I really like it because it wasn't as expansive. I see I like the expand I love it being expansive. I mean you want the grime and I love that it was about those those characters. Yeah, but I also loved how much money they spend. Yeah, I know on you know the everything. The decor it was so good. The ornamental it was so beautiful. But I'm deep in House of Dragon now. I'm like five episodes in a House of Dragon. I watched the last side until 1 a.m. like I love it so good. Exactly, but those are all my dramas. I mean then if we got into the comedy size you see what I mean so yeah for dramas. Yeah, so those are my. What's your type of comedy for TV like I'm like a Danny McBride comedy. I love Danny McBride, but I grew up watching like the Jefferson's. I grew up watching all in the family. Good times. I love the show insecure living single of friends. I mean you know what I mean that. Yeah, yeah. And then but I think the greatest the two greatest comedy writers for me. Oh my god, Sheldon. God my brain Only because I haven't slept Chuck look thank you maybe Chuck Laurie and Evet Lee Bowser, they're my two. - Did you work with him, my mom, were they? - I worked with him, my mom, but here's the thing about Chuck, he's done a gazillion shows and I've done about 10 of them over my 20 year, 30, 30. But I'm gonna say 20 to make myself a little younger. (laughing) But yeah, Evet Lee Bowser, like, you know, and then Norman Lear. I mean, it's just hard to say just one for me. - I know, I try and keep, but I'm like, we talk about the solitude, we love everything. - But you know, there are people who are a cut above and I, just limiting it to one would, for saking all others, I could never, which is why I'm a Jimmy and I, which is why I. - Jimmy and I, Jimmy and I know. - I know, yeah. - I think Breaking Bad's number one for me. Have you seen Night of on HBO? - Oh, the, the first one? - The Night of that one season with Resonbed. - The one season with Resonbed. - That's my favorite travel. - Sweetie, that takes your breath. - Yeah. - That made me fall in love with Resonbed. - That's my, I watched it at like 8 p.m. or 9 p.m. on like a Tuesday night. It's when I was working at a restaurant and I had work in the morning. I watched it until 11 a.m. I was like, I can't go to see back in time. - John DeToros and that too. - Yeah, John DeToros. - Really? - What kind of shows it? - Michael, it's unbelievable. - We're not gonna tell you anything, Michael. - You gotta watch it. I'm gonna come back and that's all we're gonna talk about. - Seriously. - So good. - And it's my season, right? - It's not much. - It's like 8 episodes, Michael. It's unbelievable. - Brilliant work. - I like that. - I like that. - Jail, it's everything you would love. - Brilliant. - Okay, I like that. - Last question. Best meal you've ever had on a set. - Ooh, that's a good one. - Well, let me just tell you what I do on my sets. When I'm the number one character because it's a long, long, long, long shoot, what I always do is I pass the hat around to producers for them to put money in. And then I put money in and we have what we call the big, you know how they do the raffle? We do that and then we talk to production, the chef and we do like steak, lobster, crab legs. - Oh. - We give it to you. We give it to you. - You put me on my TV to set now. - Sweet, sweet, sweet. The thing is, I didn't really get to do that in the Czech Republic, but I got to do it in Canada and I got to do it here on certain things. But I like, so it's our last day of shooting and we give, you know, try to give away 50,000 bucks and prizes and make it the best meal because you know, by then you've done the night shoots and you're exhausted. So it's not one meal. I'll say the best is our last, our last meal. Yeah. - I love that last one. - How was it? - I was a food and prod when you guys, like the-- - It's heavy and the thing is-- - Meat and potatoes. - They are meat and potatoes people and they are all so healthy. You know how we have, you know, the snack table and it's chips and all the good stuff. They have fruit and they love ham and they love smoked meats. Thank God they love the smoked meats. - They're cheese and all that. - Well, no, not a lot of cheese. - Really? - Not a lot of cheese. I mean, you go up to the craft table and there's everybody takes their fruit moment and it's like, yeah, you have to appreciate. I, and then let me tell you something. When I work there, I lost like 15 pounds. - Wow. - That's why I want to go back to your own. - Yeah, it's a girl needs to work in your own. - But the stuff is, the ingredients are different. - That's why. - And then when you eat a dessert there, it doesn't taste like crazy sweet. - And you don't feel super guilty, buddy. - No, and I ate everything. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm best. I've ever looked at my name. So hot. - Octavia, you have no idea. You're like one of my favorite people on Planet Earth. I love you. You did so much for my career when I was coming up and just like, I appreciate you. Not only is that just as a human being and as who you are, as an artist, everything, you're one of my favorite people ever. I appreciate you coming on. I'm so excited to see Ryder die on Amazon Prime July 15th. But like, you're just one of my favorite people ever and I love you. - I love you. And come help me get my walks in. - Of course, of course. And come help me. - And thank you so much for telling me that I'm gonna be in my too, which is what you just said to my clients. - Okay, I hate you. - You will, but I don't know for how long. (laughing) - That's all I need to hear. I love it, I love it. Thank you, Octavia. - Thank you, baby. - Thank you for coming on. Follow MyGaranaJunior, Gianni VPolo. Octavia Spencer is out here in STEM. We have merch. Merch is coming. This week, the merch is back. We're sending Octavia a big care package of merch. - You got to send her a hefty one. - Yeah, we got to send her a hefty one. - We're back, boys. So, we love you guys. Michael, give us one quick. - Listen, man, the coup has it. And you have it. The icon Octavia Spencer is pulled up on the boys. - Woo! - Thank you, Octavia. - Thank you, baby. - Oh, my God, that was good. - That was so good. - Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. - Last one's at the airport by breakfast. (upbeat music)