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The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is under intense scrutiny for allegedly orchestrating a long-term campaign of deception and incitement. Prosecutors allege that the SPLC operated a covert network of informants—paid by the organization to infiltrate and report on extremist groups like the KKK and neo-Nazis—while simultaneously using this data to fabricate narratives of widespread racism. These fabricated threats, including coordination of events like the 2017 Charlottesville rally, were designed to generate public fear and justify massive funding from donors. Internal documents reveal that SPLC leaders personally tracked demographic declines in white populations, suggesting a deliberate, anti-white agenda. The organization has also been accused of manipulating public policy and private platforms by pushing for the de-platforming of conservative voices under the banner of combating hate. Critics argue that the SPLC’s entire operation is built on a "problem–reaction–solution" model: creating false crises to drive donations and political influence. Despite its claims of defending civil rights, the SPLC is seen as financially and ideologically parasitic, using fear-based narratives to generate revenue. The recent indictment, reopened under the Trump administration, highlights deeper systemic issues in NGO accountability and suggests that such organizations may be exploiting public anxiety for profit. While the SPLC is one example of this pattern, critics believe it reflects a broader trend in which NGOs manipulate public perception to justify funding. The case underscores a larger critique: that many social movements, especially those claiming to fight extremism, may actually be fueling division through manufactured crises. Ultimately, the revelations point to a nation where fear, not facts, drives political action—and where accountability remains lacking.
Today, we're going to be talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center.
We're going to be focusing our attention on how insidious and wicked they really were,
working in the shadows as an NGO that's a non-government organization that doesn't have all the stipulations,
the accountability that branches of the government are supposed to have, but they don't really
have it either.
They're basically able to do whatever they want.
They receive mass amount of funds from their donors, it's tax-free, it's non-profit,
and then they can push that not just to get intel from groups that they deem to be harmful,
but to insight, to actually stir up division in the country, and they have been doing this
for a very long time.
Think of, basically, think of them as you would think of the ADL, right, that they're going
to say, "This is really racist, and this is anti-Semitic, and this is bad, and that
is bad."
Meanwhile, they're the ones who are sowing the seeds of discord.
One of the higher up, as a senior fellow who actually worked for Southern Poverty Law Center
had, and we're going to show a screenshot of this in our episode, but it's found to have
in his office a sticky note right there by his desk that was counting by the year the
shrinking population of white people in the United States.
He's like, "This is great, we're celebrating, this is our, it's like he had set before him
the end goal.
What is all this for?
It's to kill whitey.
That's what it's for, and that's pretty much their mission statement, so we're going
to be breaking into this massive scandal of the Southern Poverty Law Center, all the
division that they sowed, and showing you the receipts and the facts.
For this episode, we also have, we're privileged to have, as a special guest, Alex Stein joining
us for this live stream, so buckle up, we've got a lot of information, and it's going to
be a fun show.
Here we go.
Radical Christian Nationalist pastor, Joe Levin.
Joe Levin?
I'm going to talk about Joe Levin.
Joe Levin is an accident.
All right, so Edith's Friday, we're doing the live stream, and Alex, we've got you
in the flesh.
Well, I'm excited to talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center, because it just proves
that everything is fake and gay, and I'm just the perfect example of that.
It's a concrete example, finding out that they funded the Charlottesville riots or whatever
we want to call them.
So, this is actually a very interesting topic, and I just want to start off by saying, you
know, I'm very good friends with Gavin McKinnis, I don't know if you know Gavin, but he's
a great guy.
He's actually pretty pro-Israel, and he was targeted by the SPLC the most, so it's just
funny how everything is literally some sort of government sion, because racism is not
as bad as they say it is.
It's literally made in a Hollywood basement.
Yeah, that's what it seems like.
You know what?
I got to just say real quick, I appreciate that you use the phrase regularly, "fake and
gay."
I don't know if you saw it, but I got in big trouble for Saint, there was like a collaborative.
Yeah, I said, I was talking about evangelical Christianity, which I am an evangelical, but
I was just, you know, critiquing my own side and saying, and the modern day, it's become
pretty fake and gay, and everybody lost them.
Well, you know, I'm surprised because you see a lot of, even like when the left attacks
conservatives, they use gay as a pejorative, they use gay negatively, so like everybody
uses gay as a pejorative, so I don't know why they would attack you for that, and gay
use it.
Yeah, gay use it.
I'll have something that will like, you know, where I'm saying, "sought of me is really
bad," or homosexuality, or gay marriage, or whatever, and I'm speaking out against it,
and like clockwork, there'll be a bunch of homos in my comments saying, "I bet you're the
biggest gay of all the gay exactly."
Right, so you're a gay man, like criticizing me and your go-to insult is, "Oh yeah, well,
you're gay."
Just like me.
Yeah, just like, you're just as nasty as I am, and say, "Hmm, well, I'm actually not,
but I'm glad we agree that this is gross."
Anyway, that's not really the topic for today, but I'm glad you're on the show.
Antonio and West, they've kind of plotted out this series, so we're going to go back
and forth, and then Alex and I will make comments along the way.
So let's start with you, Antonio, start breaking down the story.
Yeah, so I like what you said, actually, you actually alluded to it being a racism that
is being made in a Hollywood basement.
That's basically the heart of the charges here.
Yesterday, Tuesday, or so it would have been Tuesday of this week, the DOJ filed an indictment,
I think actually a grand jury in Alabama filed an indictment against the Southern Poverty
Law Center, basically alleging 11 counts of wire fraud.
The irony of it being Alabama.
Yeah, well, they're actually headquartered in Montgomery out of Alabama.
They have a massive headquarters, they're multi-multi-million dollars, but when you look
at their financials, they're 990 publishing, you're not really surprised, I have it here.
They actually did, this is $2,429 million in revenue, $800 million in assets.
So they're one of the largest NGOs, ADL is about 162 million in their most recent filing,
and so very large organization, a lot of wealth, a lot of influence to go around whether
it be in the private sector or the public sector, but basically the crux of the indictment
was that the SPLC was leveraging an informant program that was inside of these different
what they call neo-Nazi or radical right wing extremist groups, whether it's the National
Lions or the KKK, and they had these informants, and they're basically paying them to, and
in some cases just steal, they were committing minor acts of theft, they were stealing documents,
and in one situation they broke into, I think it was the National Alliance, headquarters
and one of the buildings installed 25 boxes of documents, gave it to the SPLC, and presumably
they scanned it, and then that person broke back in to return the boxes, so anything
ranging from theft in those cases, but in some of the other cases, potentially inciting
racial hatred, what they call racial hatred or racial violence, and basically the crux,
and this is the interim attorney general, I think Todd Blanche, he's basically eluding
to the idea that the SPLC, they raise money from these coastal elites, basically on the
back of this claim that racism is as prevalent as ever, just like it was in the '90s, we're
actually in a more dangerous time because it's hidden, and it's these dark networks, and
they have their own platforms and unique ways to exchange money with each other, whether
it be through PayPal or whatever, and basically they're raising millions and millions of dollars
in 20, $20, $406 million in contributions and grants, and so how do they do that?
They have to, to some extent, create a story or create stories, whether it be Charlottesville
or whatever, to be able to go to their donors and say we need to go and fight this extremism,
this is on the ground, and if we don't stop it now, people are going to be hurt, and there's
going to be mass violence, and so our cause is just as warrantous as it's ever been, and
lo and behold, the indictment is alleging that, actually, they have been creating it the
entire time, all the way back, even to the early 2000s, actually a leftist journalist,
the thing is his name is Andrew Clayburn, so he's a leftist, and he's attacking the
SPLC, is Stokey Raven?
Andrew Clayburn?
Clayburn?
Well, yeah, that's also a leftist, but no, so even leftists have attacked the SPLC
for stoking racial hatred, and so that's really the crux of it, I'll pause there before
we get any more details.
Well, they run this sia where they use the names, they're founded in the early 70s to investigate,
help investigate with the Klux Klan, so they take this name, the Southern Poverty Law Center,
we help those that are poor, we help those that are destitute, we file civil rights cases,
it's kind of like the ADL, the anti-defamation league, or even right wing watch is a subsidiary
of people for the American way.
Now all of those groups sound great, defamation, that's a crime, that's not a good thing,
poverty, law center, hey, these people are down to luck, we'd love to support them, we
want to file civil rights cases, I mean, people for the American way, come on, like how
American does it get apple pie, people for the American way, so they use these names
and they hide into this non-profit status to look really altruistic, to act like they're
the good guys, we're going out, we're policing hate, we're keeping an eye on it, we're the
right wing watch, we'll look out for the bad guys, we'll show you what they're doing,
we really get down to it, it's money laundering, like that's the big thing, that's legally
is the problem, they took this money under one claim, hey, we're going to use this for
civil rights cases, we're going to help out these individuals, and really what they did
is shuttle millions of dollars underneath the table to people that were posting racist
things online.
Well, I'm not surprised, because if you guys ever see a video of somebody, you know, spray
painting a swastika, they usually have a Yamakon, and if you ever see, if you ever see somebody
fall down, wait a minute, if they're ever spraying the inward, it's usually a black person,
and it's like, the Harlem Globetrotters have to have somebody to play, they have to have
the Washington General, so that's really what the SPLC is doing, they have to create the
problem, it's problem reaction solution, right?
So the solution is being able to create an organization that gets hundreds of millions
of dollars to fund whatever, you know, whatever political thing that they want, but my point
is they know that in order to get the reaction, they have to create the problem themselves,
these are problems that are happening on its own, right?
And it goes much broader, I would say, than the racist narrative.
So I pulled the most recent four articles from the SPLC, hard right exploitation of detransition
narrative, flourishes at events in our minds, that's taking aim at those that have told
the stories of people that transitioned medically, then came back and said, eh, I actually really
regret this.
Another story, unwanted, a lawsuit in the resurgent hateful language of conversion therapy.
So now this is therapy for individuals to say, I have this attraction.
I don't want it.
Is there some type of therapy I could go to?
Is there someone I could talk to?
So pro trends, pro gay, anti-Muslim bigotry surges.
ahead of the international day to combat Islamophobia, pro-Muslim. And then we
alluded to it in the cold open, but you need to see it on your screen. This is a
note again from Mark Potuk tracking the decline of the U.S. White population, the
increase of foreign-born in Europe the same way as CEO tracks profits. He had
this note up in his office. He had no. Why would I hide it? Why would I be ashamed?
But cameras are coming in by all means take a picture of that. So it's antichristian,
anti-white, anti-America, anti-straight marriage. That's really what's being
trafficked. So the racism piece, the hate watch, the hate report, the hate map,
that's what's put front and center. But you get down to it. Oh, this is anti-Christian,
anti-America, anti-white, all the way down, all the way across. And it's really
parasitic and the way a lot of NGOs work is. I alluded to the idea that they
have their hand in the private and public sector. So in the public sector with
respect to Congress and you think about all of the laws and lawsuits that are
challenging discrimination, LGBTQ rights, whatever it is, the SPLC has been
historically since the 80s, a consultant for the DOJ, a consultant for the FBI,
whether it be subcommittees in Congress. They're going to them and saying, "Hey, we
have these stats. We used our millions and millions of dollars to compile these
surveys and look what they show. They show racism. They show that black still
can't vote and we need less restrictive voter ID laws. All of these sayings in
the public sector in terms of public policy, they're being influenced by a
massive organization. But then they turn to the private sector and they say they
go to PayPal. You remember the Hyde cancel culture? Everyone's getting pulled
down from Stripe. All of these quote-unquote "neon" it's funny like anti-defamation.
They're never one enemy should be the SPLC because there's no more things more
than the SPLC. They slap neo-nazi on right wing commentators and then they go
to PayPal and they go to Facebook. Again, consulting Facebook and saying, "Here's
our list of people who just absolutely should not have any words on your
platform." People are getting pulled down and debanked and de-platformed and
the list goes on and on and on in terms of what they're doing. But it's actually
really heinous. Again, it's all under these auspices of racism is a big problem
and we're the number one defender for blacks and for minority or minority
groups or immigrants or whatever the case is. The whole time obviously they're
enriching themselves. You know that they're CEO and all of their leadership team.
They have massive salaries without a doubt. But then again, going back to the
crux of this indictment here is they're also just paying people money, paying
informants tons of money. I want to turn here to the indictment. I have just a
little bit here that I'll read. This is under the subheader of the indictment.
The SPLCs paid informants network. The F's is what they called them. Starting
in the 1980s, the SPLC began operating a covert network of informants who were
either associated with violent extremist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan who
had infiltrated violence extremist groups at the SPLC's direction. These
informants were referred to by some individuals within the SPLC as "field
sources" or the F's. Between at least 2014 and 2023, the SPLC paid their F's in
the Klan Deathstein manner. Doing so hid the fact that while the SPLC received
donation money under the offices that the funds would be used to "dismantle
violent extremist groups, this donation money was used instead in part by the
SPLC to pay leaders and others within the same violent extremist groups that
money was then used for the benefit of the individuals as well as the violent
extremist groups. Going on, point 11 here, examples of the apps who were secretly
paid by the SPLC include but are not limited to the following. This one's
really interesting and it's getting a lot of buzz online I hear. F-37 was a
member of an online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 Unite the
Right Vent event in Charlottesville, Virginia and attended the event at the
discretion of the SPLC. F-37 made racist postings under the supervision of the
SPLC and helped coordinate transportation to the event for several attendees.
So again, this is really important. It's not just that they're paying the
informants. This is actually suggesting that they're engaging because I mean
the SPLC is going to say in court "well we were paying them but they were actually
helping us. We've been doing what we're doing for the last 30 years to give me
the information for me to join Antifa and report on things because I signed a
contract that was legally bound." So informants are one thing stealing and
incitement that's another. Yeah helping them coordinate transportation to the
event so literally trying to bring people there to make it big to make it look
like it has numbers to make it look really really intimidating. For several
attendees is what it says between 2015 and 2023, the SPLC
secretly paid F-37 more than 270,000 orders of a million dollars. Alex Jones
last year he was revealed he had Nick Fuentes on his show. He said that the
SPLC actually paid one of his employees to hack into his computers and his
cameras for surveillance. So again a non-profit paying an employee of Alex
Jones. Hey you go in there you get to the security cameras see if you can find
me some dirt. See if you can find something in there. That's how far that
definition of being an informant goes. Yeah I mean I'm not surprised once again
you know I said this at the beginning but it seems like they have to create
racism because you know everybody maybe believes in stereotypes maybe like we
have a guard up we lock our doors we see some black people outside of our car
or whatever you know I think that people maybe have some normal preconceived
notions but the idea that racism is this horrible problem that we all hate each
other it's just laughable like nobody goes through grocery store and I won't
check out your groceries because you're white or black so this is why they have
to create this problem and and you know you talk about Alex Jones he
exposed this even before this when Nick Fuentes on about Charlottesville he
said that there is paid people there to basically do this whole riot and I
would argue that now you know I wanted this no Kings protest it's the same
thing happening on the left though where they they're paying these protesters
ago do these no Kings protests so anything you see there's it's it's not
organic everything is basically inorganic whether it's a left-wing protest or
even a right-wing protest it's a set at the beginning it's all fake it's all
tell us more about those protests because from the videos I've seen on the
left they look very low energy so it's not the youth entirely a lot of older
folks west you know that I was actually surprised that no Kings protest the
majority of them more in like their 60s and 70s that was very weird what are
they doing there but it's not that everybody's getting paid to go there
most of the majority of people are not getting paid but it's the people that
organize these things like that guy F-37 that's in the Facebook group
right it's in the telegram group that person is getting paid and that person
is facilitating ways where people can get you know go to these events so it's
like it's just so obviously inorganic and not natural and that's what the
SPLC did I mean they have to create some sort of a boogie man in order to
have you know a target or an enemy and like I said it's really it's all fake
because yeah there are some people that maybe a little xenophobic but most
people aren't most people don't even really hate people like that at least not
openly enough to go put out teaky torches and do that you have to be really
be a kind of brainwashing it reminds you like Governor Whitmer's kidnapping
right you know how they did that and they found out that it was just like seven
FBI agents and two autistic guys and that's kind of what happens is they pray on
people that are oftentimes mentally ill that are going through tough times that
are vulnerable and those who they're able to convince somebody to go light a
church on fire or light something on fire so they really take advantage of
people that are vulnerable and it's it's not an organic movement yeah it's
interesting it adds another layer of complexity and until like for example the
January 6th rights the January 6th protest you know there's obviously been the
accusations that it's like well there's FBI informants but like no one's ever
thinking like is it the ADL is the SPLC who knows but I mean this is just
case in point evidence that also NGOs are on the on the table in terms of
coordinating and infiltrating group chats and trying to fed post and all of
these things whether it being bots and you know we did an episode not too long
ago with Harrison Smith with with respect to I think it's the eighth front
wars is that what yeah yeah and so you're you're looking at the ADL and you're
looking at Israel and its influence and we're saying and they're basically making
the point yeah we are trying to win in the internet we're trying to win in this
digital age and what does that look like it looks like bots making you know
saying and saying things on like talking points disseminated in a group chat
exactly I I viewed as really encouraging to see this as one of the dominoes
that's kind of falling I mean racism had its height 2021 after George Floyd I
mean Uber was painting murals in San Francisco that said like racism has no
place here they controlled everything it was the merch at Target it was
San Francisco it was having a job you say racism it's high watermark you're
talking about the faith the racism so it had its high watermark but what we see
in systematically and this is across the board so this isn't just racism this is
LGBTQ I mean aside from Israel holding one of the largest pride parades that's
going to be held in the Middle East ever here in the United States I mean there's
pride organizations that have been around for 30 years they're closing their
doors there's not enough donations they're not enough funding so on every single
aspect all of that high watermark it's kind of falling by the wayside people don't
have money anymore to spend on superfluous things like pride month that you're
big fortune 500 company so whether it's pride whether it's racism whether it's
affinity groups whether it's DEI the whole world's getting back to we've got to
make money in a world that's full of AI we have to compete we have to do all
these things this isn't really worth the investment anymore so I view it as
super encouraging and this is a W for the Trump administration I mean there's
been a lot of else lately this is a W to go after a group like this and say
you guys are you're taking money you're not using it well you're using
informants to incite extremism we're coming after you with the law I view it
as the Sharpa precipice that continued to climb all these organizations are
gonna say oh Wes I do want to give a little pushback you're right this is a
Trump W but they knew that the SPLC was funding this stuff you know what I
mean like this is it you know I'm just saying a little bit of better late than
them yeah it's a better late than ever they had it no point of fact this
This investigation, this is an article from the Wall Street Journal.
journal, but it says that this investigation started during the Biden administration, actually,
but the Biden administration officials opted not to bring criminal charges, and so Trump
just basically revisited the allegations over the past year, and then they reopened the
case, essentially.
And they didn't even state that they found new evidence, so it's not like they came across
more things.
So, presumably, the Biden administration knows this.
They're literally sitting on the evidence that was just released with his indictment.
>> Well, what's crazy is the fact that they're protecting these NGOs.
You saw in California, they created the Nick Shirley Act, where you can't phone an
NGO that is based in immigration, NGOs, like what is going on, I mean, and that's really
what we have.
We have legal money laundering that's going on, and I think that wherever there's money,
there's going to be corruption, and if this is obviously hundreds of millions of dollars
as a huge organization, so maybe there's probably people within the Biden administration
or Department of Justice that were on the, I don't know, payroll, I don't know.
But it just seems like a lot of people were on the payroll, and a lot of what you read
on the internet, you were talking earlier about bots.
I think they said a dead internet theory is real, it's like 52% of the internet is bots,
and that's what they use.
They use these bots to say anti-Semitic things or to call for some of the most disgusting
tweets possible, and it's all fake.
It's all just some guy in an office in Alabama that's just trying to rob people up.
>> Yeah, to me, you can tell that something's fake whenever it's become lucrative, the
idea that, to me, it's so ironic.
It's so clear that America does not have a racist problem, at least in terms of pure,
baseless, mindless, hatred towards minority people.
>> It's more toxic empathy.
I think we have a toxic empathy problem.
>> That's my point.
That's why it's lucrative.
If America really was racist against brown people, black people, whatever, there wouldn't
be much money to be made, it wouldn't be lucrative.
They wouldn't be doing it.
They're only doing it because it's not real.
They're doing it because it's not real.
There's a lot of money to be made in slain dragons or pretending to slay dragons that have
already been slain.
I don't know if you ever watched the movie.
I watched it with my kids recently because it's an older movie, so it's more wholesome
and appropriate, but still has dragons and magic and knights and adventure.
But Sean Connery, he was the voice of the dragon, it's Dragon Heart.
It's the movie where the boy, he's the prince, his dad dies and he gets mortally wounded.
>> Every kid's dragon takes out the part of his heart.
>> The parent dies.
>> Yeah, and gives it to the kid, but now the kid is bound up with the dragon, so if the
dragon dies, the kid dies, and the kid grows up, he becomes a king and turns out that
he's just like his father, he's wicked and prideful in all those things.
Anyways, that's the basic point of the movie.
But there's a certain segment of the movie where the knight who's been commissioned to go
and kill the dragon ends up finding out that the king is the bad guy and the dragon's
actually good and becomes friends with the dragon and ends up making a living by going
around village to village.
The dragon will fly over, he'll light a couple of huts on fire, and then the knight will
come and the people will say, "We'll pay you to kill the dragon," and then he pretends
to kill the dragon by launching an arrow or a catapult or something in the dragon, catches
it in mid-air, but makes it look like he's been penetrated and falls into a lake and then
swims into the water away, and everybody pays the knight and then he goes and splits the
loot with the dragon.
That's the Southern Poverty Law Center.
That's amazing.
So my point is, either the dragon doesn't exist at all, and that's why it's lucrative,
or, I'm just going to throw this out there, or the dragon's actually good.
And it's actually everybody, it's the king who's commissioned the knight, they're actually
the bad guys, and my point is that this whole witch hunt for white supremacists who hate
brown people, simply because they're brown.
The reason why that's so lucrative, and there are NGOs with millions and millions of dollars
for that, is because the white people in America are predominantly on the whole, not racist.
White people in America are, if anything, I think, too trusting, too gullible, toxic empathy.
White people in America are like, you know what, I know that this will kill my grandchildren.
But can we just, you know, can we just import half of the country of Haiti, you know, just
to be nice.
Like so, not only is racism not non-existent, if anything, we could probably use a little
bit more racism in America, now that said, alleged racism, I don't think it actually is racism,
but like the order of Morris, natural affections, a love for our own.
Nobody knows, I have a people, and I love my people, Japan thinks like that, right?
You gone to things like that, everyone in the world thinks like that, except for Europeans.
And because Europeans, not that they are racist, but because they are so anti-racist, even
at, it's like your own posterity are going to suffer and die, the country will implode,
but you'll be a white boomer who gets to take a cruise and lay your head on your pillow
at night, going to sleep with the fanciful thoughts of not being a racist.
And they're like, "Deal, take my money."
And that's the only reason why something like the Southern Poverty Law Center, or the
ADL, have been as lucrative and as rich as they are.
So to me, like, the whole idea that, like, think about this for a second, you think Amazon
is a moral virtuous company, you think Netflix is a moral virtuous company, if, think back,
I know it feels like a lifetime ago, it was not that long ago, and it was very dark times
in our country, the high water mark of the left and the anti-racist movement, all this
kind of stuff.
2021, 2022, summer of love, George Floyd, Amazon, FedEx, I mean, like, Fortune 500 companies
are putting black squares to replace their logo.
Like, if you need to know, think about this.
If you need to know if a dragon is not real, or if a dragon is actually the good guy in
the king in the night, so if the bag gets, if you're trying to figure that out, look to
Fortune 500 companies and see, are they behind it?
If they're behind it, then you know it's faking gay.
You know it's faking gay.
So, I mean, I'm glad that the receipts came out, you know, because a lot of people are
retarded, and they need the receipts, and here's the deal.
The people who are retarded, the receipts still won't prove it to them.
No.
But the reality is, like, we already knew this.
This is like a giant no-da, like, you know, this is like, "Hey, breaking news, the sun
is hot."
You know, or like, breaking news, water is wet, you know, like, of course, white people
in Alabama, I'm sure you can find one racist guy, you know, but in general, on the whole,
white people in the south are not with a baseless, you know, no reason, no rhyme or reason whatsoever,
hating black people simply because of the color of their skin and treating them as a second
class.
We know that's not true.
Now, here's the reality, though, because I think what I'd like to see is we actually
go a step further.
It's so not true.
It begs the question, "Is the opposite, perhaps, true?"
White people are being the one that are systematically having the brunt of racism, I feel, because
that's the only thing, and here's the deal.
The civil magistrate, I mean, God's word is clear about this.
The civil magistrate doesn't, he's not the thought police, right?
Minority report, Tom Cruise, you know, that's, that, we know the way that sci-fi movies,
the way they always go, is the government gets too much power and it starts to, you know,
we're going to do preventative crime measures, right?
We're going to stop you, even though you're not guilty, you've actually not done in terms
of deed, anything wrong, but you have wrong think, right?
This is George Orwell.
This is 1984, Brave New World, every discipline.
You can use the Iran war because we had to preemptively strike them because they were going
to strike them.
Yes, so we're going to attack you because you did something wrong, those because we think
you might do something wrong, and we thought that for 30 years, and the future being
two weeks away.
And so, like, we know that whenever, whenever somebody takes that kind of action, it's an
overstep of jurisdiction, it's, it's morally wrong.
It's morally wrong.
Here's a deal, even if white people did have a hatred towards other people, people of color,
but they weren't doing anything, it was just at the level of the heart, the Bible is clear,
the civil magistrate, coveting is a sin, okay?
But you don't have the coveting police.
There are certain things that are sins morally, but they're not crimes and for good reason.
It may be a sin, but it's not a crime, getting drunk in your home.
I think it's a sin, but it's not a crime.
I don't want police knocking on random people's doors and coming in and arresting them for
being drunk, right?
We don't want, it's a sin, but it's not a crime.
So here's the deal.
I think in general, white people, even white people in Alabama are not in their hearts hating
people of color, but going even further than that.
If they were, but they're not acting on it, it's not actually dictating decisions that
are being made, actions like, let's say, just hypothetically, we're banning people of color
from going to Ivy League schools, or we're looking over people of color when it comes
to job hiring practices, or we're like, oh, wait, there actually is racism on the books
in this country, but only in one direction towards white people, towards white people.
And we know this, and we have the receipts for this.
So the moment that you see something like this, ADO, Southern Poverty Law Center, millions
and millions and millions and millions of dollars to stop the dragon, you can, you can
at that moment safely assume not only does the dragon not exist, but the dragon actually
does exist in the opposite direction.
The opposite is true.
So I would say that there actually is forms of racism, real racism, sinful racism, not just
in thought, not just in heart, but indeed, and in action, but it's all on the other side
of the table.
I'm glad that they publicists, but until we see BLM members in jail, until we see people
from the Biden administration in jail, and until we see names from the Epstein files and
they're in jail, then I don't really care.
I like, honestly, like, I mean, yeah, it's a little bit of a W, but it's a W that we've
already known was true.
We're not a serious country.
We're not, we don't really care about virtue.
We don't really care about justice until we actually enact righteousness against actions,
not just thoughts, but actions of wickedness.
We're not serious.
Right now, we're still operating under this blank slatism, this, you know, raw equality,
come one, come all.
We don't want to do this in any direction, like, but it is happening, and until we start
seeing people say, you know what, there are literally tens of thousands, and this is
proofable, tens of thousands of young white men who are more qualified, but were passed
over for jobs because of these DI wicked policies.
It was actually on the books.
That's wrong.
Everyone who signed off on that, I'm talking about heads of schools, administrative staff,
heads of companies, and CEOs, they all need to be in jail.
Until that happens, I'm not impressed, like until that happens, we have not done righteousness.
We're just winking and nodding and pretending.
It's actually the irony, it's actually just another form of virtue signalling.
It's just conservative virtue signalling.
No, I think you're right.
I mean, if you look at DI basically, if you're black or you're trying, well, I guess Chinese
actually are held at a higher standard, but if you're Hispanic, you get to get into medical
school with a lower test score, so that is a direct assault on white people.
And so, I mean, you are kind of right.
It's like, this feels like an obvious thing that we've known about, so it's not a huge
w, but at the same exact time, the fact that it has come out like this, I mean, now we
can, in future debates, we can always go back to this and use it.
So I think this is a, it is a monumental moment, but at the same time, you're right, we're
not really a serious country because nobody's going to get held accountable for this.
And maybe one person, the SPLC, goes and gets in trouble, but it's just, it's going to
be another day.
Thirty days in jail.
We'll really throw the book out.
It's like the Congress, I think the, the penalty for, you know, insider trading in Congress
is like a $200 fine, literally something that's all, yo, I'm dead serious.
It's like that.
So it's kind of like, you know, if it's only a $200 fine, you might as well be doing insider
trading.
So I'm happy about this, but the CEO of the SPLC is going to be able to sit in that same
little jail sale that Martin Luther King got to sit in in Birmingham and write that glorious
letter about discrimination against, yeah, you're right.
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Well, welcome back.
I think, Joel, you'd mentioned in terms of justice and the desire to see justice done,
this story doesn't really do much in the way of that, but what's always great is when
a conspiracy theory gets a win, gets a little W check mark, is that it actually--
Which is like every day.
Yeah.
Right.
It actually opens up an array of other sort of theories or suspicions that people might
have about other things that are happening in the same vein, right?
And so we look at this story--
On picking up what you're laying down, I know exactly where you're going, because of this,
the moon's not real.
No.
Real, the moon's real, I don't think the moon landing was, but actually speaking of the
Artemis mission, that was a money laundering scheme too, you know, NASA gets millions of
dollars a day.
What have I done?
What have I done?
So I don't even want to get on that.
Why did I bring it up?
This is only an hour long show.
But yeah, anytime you fund, like you know these companies, every time you go to check
out, they're like donate a dollar to whatever, 'cause I hate you.
Round up.
And you know, it's just for them to be able to get some sort of tax break.
So I would argue that the best share that you can do is actually go and personally help
somebody instead of just giving blindly to these companies, because they're always going
to misuse the funds.
And I think this is a perfect example.
And if this actually ends the SPLC, then God bless America, that's an actual good thing
for a country overall.
Right.
Right.
But the point stands in the sense of like the incentive mechanism that the SPLC has in
terms of creating a problem so that they can offer the solution to the problem and raise
the ton of money and make a lot of money themselves, personally enrich themselves as a consequence.
That incentive mechanism, it exists predominantly with every NGO like this, right?
And so we're talking about the various ways in which white people in America today, their
toxic empathy, if you want to call it that, is being capitalized on by NGOs.
And so you think about all the money that's sent exported from the United States overseas
because of X-NGO or X-NGO says that there's-
Well, we saw the start of those.
It was gender studies program and transgender education.
It was in Australia.
In Australia.
In Afghanistan.
It was insane.
Our tax dollars, your money, last week on the 15th that you gave, you gave them their
money and they took that and said, we will use this to go make more transgender youth
business.
Because there's 150 million starving children in Africa and it's like, well, how do you
know that?
Oh, because we commissioned a report that says that that's true.
And so as a consequence, you have to give us a billion dollars so we can go and solve
the problem.
And so you have this like incentive mechanism that's just fundamentally flawed.
And so it does raise the question, it's like, OK, this is a minor circumstance, I suppose
if you want to call three million dollars minor.
But how many other NGOs are there that are getting millions and millions of dollars,
hundreds of million dollars in contributions and grants?
But they're on the bright side, right?
Silver lining.
There are a lot of good organizations who are doing good work exposing all the corruption
and the theft.
Well, like Warner Brothers, years ago they made a documentary about the SPLC.
It was called Brother's Grim and it's where they went and they created like fake ghost
and witches.
And then they also went into the town to expel them and got paid by all the townspeople.
That was a documentary of the SPLC and it was really well done.
And I really appreciate that.
And you know, you know, this kind of reminds you, too, I go to a lot of these protests and
you go to these transgender ones and they'll say, trans, trans rights are human rights.
And then you ask them, like, what right does a trans person have?
Right.
And they'd let it like, uh, I'm sure they cite John Ball.
They actually get free social services when it comes to transgender surgery.
They get free healthcare in California.
So it's just, you know, it's nonsense.
They have to, you know, you said it is a problem reaction solution.
They have to create the problem in order to get the reaction and they know what the solution
is.
Donate more money to a problem that they'll never solve.
Yeah.
It's like banging the drum is like there's white people committing indiscriminate violence.
I mean, this is what the SPLC says all the time.
It's like, if we don't do this, there's going to be violence.
There's going to be a shooting.
There's going to be attacks.
There's going to be riots that kill tons of people, innocent people.
And it's like when those things don't happen, because by the way, we actually, your stats
have to be reflected in reality.
And so people are like, okay, one of those things going to happen.
And they don't happen.
It's like at some point you're going to have to turn either you're going to say, one, we're
preventing it.
That's why it's not happening because we're here.
And if we you take us away, the floodgates are open.
But the second thing and the thing that I think this points to them doing, and I'm sure
many other NGOs are doing this, is they literally manufacture it.
Yeah.
So, and this isn't to say that violence, you know, there isn't violence committed.
I mean, there's crazy people, that's for sure.
But if you look at the stats, I mean, who's committing violence?
- Who's committing violence in America?
- Black people.
- Transgenders, transgenders, yeah.
- I was gonna say, is it white people?
I mean, at some point you would expect the facts
to bear it out and it doesn't.
And so, yeah, and so they just have to be so fake and gay.
I mean, it's funny, like I was just reading in the indictment.
It's like they created what is this?
Five fake entities, right?
And this is so they can money,
they created the center investigative agency.
They created Fox Photography, Northwest Technology.
And this is also, by the way,
in their financial statements,
they can show money going to,
oh, we paid a photographer.
$300,000 to take picture, headshots of all our employees.
But really, it's just a fake entity with no employees,
no registration.
And then they just simply pay people, whoever they want.
And so, they did it, five entities,
they made up, made up, fake and gay.
So they could send money to whoever they wanted,
all their friends, make things happen,
that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
And it's like, how many other people are doing this?
- And I just wanna make this point though,
we should not be surprised
that everybody does false flags.
I mean, the Gulf of Tonkin, we had to lie our way
into the Vietnam War.
So false flags is probably the most effective way
to get universal support for whatever it is.
And so, we shouldn't be surprised at all
that SBLC has one of the most sophisticated false flag groups
in the world.
- It's possible that even with Weimar, Germany,
and the Rorschach fire, or how do you say it?
- The Reichstag.
- Reichstag fire.
That, you know, like there's a theory
that that was actually, you know,
- The end of the year.
- Yeah, and it was after that, you know,
there's like, okay, like, we'll take a powerful guy,
if you'll save us from, you know, from the threat or whatever.
So, people on the right do it, people on the left do it.
Tale is oldest time.
I feel like we just did it as a country in Iran, you know?
So, this is something that is happening, well,
I say we, but maybe more so Israel, we bought it, you know?
And we're like, yes, absolutely.
But you're right, it's an effective way to will to power.
It's like, I want to do this thing.
I have to convince the people that this thing needs
to be done, right?
So, and fear is a powerful motivator, right?
Fear is, you know, like, people are motivated
by comfort and those, but fear sells.
It always has.
It always will.
- I call it trauma-based mind control.
It's like, and that is what they do.
I mean, they use repetition.
It's like, you know, vaccine-safe and effective.
We found out that that wasn't necessarily true.
And that's really what they do, is they just use repetition
like this, like constantly saying it's a bad problem.
And if they can make a straighter safety for free,
and make a straighter freedom for safety,
then we end up in either at the end.
And that's a perfect example of giving some of your money,
we're gonna fix this problem, but they never fix it.
As a matter of fact, they fund the problem to become bigger.
- Right, right.
No, you're right.
That's Taylor's oldest time.
The trade has always been personal liberty
for public safety.
And the reality is, when push comes to shove,
most people are willing to make that trade,
and they wind up with neither.
So, Alex, thanks for coming on the show.
Really appreciate it.
It was great to have you guys, Wes and Tonyo.
Thank you guys for outlining the episode.
And for all these NGOs out there, you know,
a final word would just be, you know,
we talked about it offline a little bit,
but this is not the whole story.
Like, it's good that this came out,
and it gives evidence, you know,
so you can point towards proof to make the arguments
that we already knew were true.
But really, really, if we had to guess,
this is the tip of the iceberg, right?
I mean, how many NGOs actually exist?
And the reality is that the vast majority
of them are probably fraudulent.
If we think, oh, you know, so it's that, you know,
there's Southern Poverty Law Center, you know,
it's just them, you know, but we got them, you know,
but the ADL, those guys, they're real.
They're, you know, like, you're, I mean,
you must have been born yesterday.
So, final takeaway, I guess it's just, like,
we're not just trying to be edgy or be silly or, you know,
or cringe, it really is just two great words
that accurately describe the world in which we live today.
Everything is faking gay, like it really is.
So, thanks for tuning in.
Don't be faking gay, be real and authentic and straight.
And yeah, and let's do our best to make a difference
by exposing lies.
Ephesians says it's not just avoiding sin, right?
Maintaining a state of innocence, but it says do not take part
in the wicked deeds done in darkness, but rather expose them.
So, righteousness is not passive.
Righteousness is not just maintaining, protecting,
avoiding sin to protect your purity.
Righteousness is willing to go into the belly of darkness
and with the light, the light of Christ
and expose it for what it is.
It's actually, it actually takes the offense, right?
We need to be offensive as ambassadors of Christ
and actually battle back the darkness
and expose it for what it is.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is accused of operating a covert informant network, secretly paying members of extremist groups like the KKK and neo-Nazis to gather intelligence and incite racial violence.
The SPLC allegedly used these informants not just to collect data, but to actively coordinate events such as the 2017 Charlottesville rally, including helping with transportation and spreading racist content.
Financial records show the SPLC received over $242 million in donations, using the narrative of widespread racism to justify its operations and generate massive funding for political and digital campaigns.
The organization is accused of creating false or exaggerated threats—such as fake extremist groups and fabricated incidents—to manufacture fear and justify its activism, a pattern described as "problem–reaction–solution" manipulation.
Internal documents reveal that SPLC leaders, like Mark Potuk, personally tracked the decline of the U.S. white population, indicating a deliberate mission to promote anti-white, anti-American ideologies.
The SPLC has long influenced public policy and private platforms, such as PayPal and Facebook, by advising on content moderation and de-platforming, often targeting conservative voices under the guise of combating hate.
Critics argue the SPLC’s actions are part of a broader pattern of NGOs manipulating public perception and funding through fear-based narratives, with the belief that racism is rampant being a financial incentive rather than a factual reality.
The investigation, reopened under the Trump administration, suggests systemic accountability gaps in U.S. oversight of NGOs, with critics claiming that the SPLC represents a larger network of fraudulent, ideologically driven organizations.
Summary:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is under intense scrutiny for allegedly orchestrating a long-term campaign of deception and incitement. Prosecutors allege that the SPLC operated a covert network of informants—paid by the organization to infiltrate and report on extremist groups like the KKK and neo-Nazis—while simultaneously using this data to fabricate narratives of widespread racism. These fabricated threats, including coordination of events like the 2017 Charlottesville rally, were designed to generate public fear and justify massive funding from donors.
Internal documents reveal that SPLC leaders personally tracked demographic declines in white populations, suggesting a deliberate, anti-white agenda. The organization has also been accused of manipulating public policy and private platforms by pushing for the de-platforming of conservative voices under the banner of combating hate. Critics argue that the SPLC’s entire operation is built on a "problem–reaction–solution" model: creating false crises to drive donations and political influence.
Despite its claims of defending civil rights, the SPLC is seen as financially and ideologically parasitic, using fear-based narratives to generate revenue. The recent indictment, reopened under the Trump administration, highlights deeper systemic issues in NGO accountability and suggests that such organizations may be exploiting public anxiety for profit. While the SPLC is one example of this pattern, critics believe it reflects a broader trend in which NGOs manipulate public perception to justify funding.
The case underscores a larger critique: that many social movements, especially those claiming to fight extremism, may actually be fueling division through manufactured crises. Ultimately, the revelations point to a nation where fear, not facts, drives political action—and where accountability remains lacking.
FAQs
The SPLC is accused of running a covert informant network, paying members of extremist groups to steal documents or incite racial hatred, and using these activities to generate fear and justify fundraising for anti-extremism campaigns.
Yes, according to the indictment, the SPLC secretly paid an informant (F-37) who helped coordinate transportation and made racist posts for attendees of the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.
The SPLC creates a narrative that racism is rampant, using fabricated or exaggerated claims to generate public fear and justify donations, even though such incidents are not widespread in reality.
The SPLC's financial statements include payments to fake entities like 'Fox Photography' and 'Northwest Technology' with no real employees, suggesting money laundering and manipulation of financial records to justify expenditures.
Critics argue the SPLC manufactures problems—such as widespread racism or hate—so they can present a 'solution' to donors, creating a self-sustaining funding cycle that enriches the organization rather than addressing real harm.
The indictment states that between 2014 and 2023, the SPLC paid informants—referred to as 'F's'—more than $270,000 in some cases, including those involved in extremist online groups and events like Charlottesville.
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