NVIDIA’s CEO China Spy Scandal & Liberal Hosts Mock Charlie Kirk’s Death | PBD Podcast #887

did you ever think you would make it i said i'm so excited to taste sweet victory i know this life meant for me adam what's your point the future looks bright the handshake is better than anything i ever signed right here you are a one-on-one i send you right there i don't think i've ever said this before all right look just some words of wisdom whatever you're doing this week you know do your best whatever you're doing this week on words of wisdom for you guys as you're going through a life try to avoid chinese spies getting a hold of you like i'm just telling you you know maybe maybe if you're like the top 10 most important person in america that does business with china maybe we should provide a little bit more protection than the 10.7 million dollars that nvidia spends on security on jensen huang to say why do you keep having dinner with this girl named alice wong similar last name no big deal but why are you guys always together aren't you married 40 years why are you doing this and by the way you know tiger woods if you ever watch a documentary there's a story about this one girl who was a bartender she says i don't know why tiger liked me he used to always come to me and he would say after i have dinner we'd go in his car do you know this story no tiger he talks about in the documentary all right jensen maybe a bartender maybe a waitress a chinese spy buddy so when it's a chinese spy guess what investors say you know what's the big question here's the big question is one man has a tendency of falling two the enemy has a way of doing the same exact way of getting you to fall which is get a spy to get in there get information get that information and flatter you and tell you how amazing you are and oh my god you're so smart you're so beautiful tom you're so sexy you know this is such a you're such a so if only i was with you they say i'm smart they never say i would do anything for you in the morning and i don't know man i just i have no idea what happened there you know what happens if they get a divorce it's a 200 billion dollar divorce the biggest divorce in the history of mankind she won no hurry up she gets 100 billion dollars and you may want to slide in their dm i'm trying to tell you like that may be something for you and vinnie overnight is worth 50 billion dollars walks around like one of the greatest business minds in the world that's going to be one of the stories we're going to talk about today i think it's fair to say we have to do that okay number two the other story we have to talk about is trump's 60 minutes i didn't just watch the 25 minute interview actually watch the entire 57 minutes or whatever it is to have it on cbs because you know after the lawsuit he's like hey don't cut it put the whole thing let people see it i really like the guy that did the interview ross is it do tot or do that whatever the guy's name is he did a phenomenal job i thought it was a fair interview he pushed back and trump was a different trump and there's five things we got to cover from the interview on 60 minutes jennifer welch from the podcast called i've had it and after her podcast of laughing at charlie you know who's had it the sponsors have had it okay and they said we're done do you know out of 22 sponsors that they had generating two and a half million dollars a year that's real money for some people two and a half million dollar your income that they're making guess what 19 out of 25 canceled and you know what vinnie did vinnie emailed everybody and vinnie got an email back i'll let him show you what the email was and he said say why are you taking a sponsor like this at the same time jason uh uh is is it calican i want i have a hard time with his last name time from all in podcast calcanis calcanis he got upset of what scott galloway said and he says what the hell are you doing right he told the story that before he sold his tesla i'm even uncomfortable telling you what he said okay he said i went and took a poop in the tesla cleaned it then sold it just to show my distaste for elon i don't know who thinks like that you're a reasonable guy why would you say something like that you have a shot at being one of those unifiers to bring common sense and i've had him on the podcast disappointing comment to make dave chappelle video goes viral showing a clip of him talking about charlie kirk getting killed and then he says i don't know why but i feel good about it and then it was like well what's wrong with that charlie said this that person said this that's not even a joke i don't like it screw him he lost a permanent fan i'm out of here he hasn't written a good joke for 10 years we have to talk about it dave chappelle because there's some real important things there to discuss next one is suzy wiles uh replaced by stephen miller while this happens okay stephen miller gives a speech vinny's got the clip to show us while she gets replaced by stephen miller a guy named kaylee callie means goes on joe rogan does a podcast this is a senior advisor to rfk this is not a lightweight guy he goes on rogan and he's a senior advisor to rfk this is not a lightweight guy he goes on rogan and he's a senior advisor to rfk this is not a lightweight guy he goes on rogan and he's a senior and you know what he says he says the amount of power suzy wiles had and what she did and her six generals that worked with her and how when they her daughter got a job at this one place revenue went up to 30 million and it was a money deal and it was swamp and out of everybody he said that you know he kind of exposed what was going on there now again this is a podcast we don't know 100 facts he's telling his version of the story there's a couple things that happened in the podcast how he mentioned trump and number two when todd blanchett was asked about this i'm gonna let tom tell you how todd blanch handle that situation we'll get into that i'm gonna talk i'm gonna tell you about one person that quietly has seen the light the opening and he's capitalizing like there's no tomorrow he officially sees the future looks bright for him you know who that is ron desantis and he keeps hitting everybody boom first see it's ted cruz boom he just said ron desantis boom you know who he just said recently he just hit uh uh what do you call he hit trump and he hit everybody in the republican party with crony capitalism he says listen to all the crony capitalists on the republican side boom he hit them all of those messages ron hasn't made a lot of friends the last week but you know what he has made a lot of sense yeah in the last week and so a lot of people are saying is this the guy that's going to go in on the 60 minutes the guy asked a very good question of trump and he said hey who do you think uh being president you know all this other stuff is it going to be jd rubio all these things would you say i may not even endorse somebody and a lot of people are talking about a rubio desantis ticket i don't even think that's possible because they're both from florida so as much as it sounds good i'm not even sure that's possible there's some things to get into get in there and then press secretary dana white trump says hey i'm thinking about making him the press secretary and i swear to god you say something khabib's going to come and destroy you and i'm going to have this other guy on you and a market loses their shit that if this guy could pull this off or not and then the infighting on the democratic party there's a ton of infighting on the republican party that's an understatement of the infighting going on right now in the republican party i got to make sure to give that gen z story of what happened to gen z the numbers how they lost it to everybody the axio story can you text me the page on that i marked it up but just send it to me i have it here and so we have to talk about that and then poland shooter that they're saying a far-right guy in poland went out and you know killed people innocent people and then they're saying a far-right guy in poland went out and you know killed people innocent people and this this poland shooter apparently has a pride flag over him what a far-right guy this guy right he's got he's got a lgbtq flag all over him protecting himself while he's going out there doing this stuff we have to talk about that and last but not least if you're in hr if you're a ceo coo a cxo whatever c you are if you all of a sudden notice a pattern of people asking on pto for november 19th and you're wondering what the hell is going on with november 19th yo yo yo is it june isn't that juneteenth why are people taking november 19th off well november 19th is a massive epidemic going on that a lot of people don't want you to know about but i'm helping you out right now so maybe send an email to your staff today that if you say if you take your november 19th off i know why you're doing it but if you want to be cool let them take it off and tell them in advance if you're doing it hey just tell me be honest with me because on november 19 you know what game is coming out on november 19 what what game is coming out on november 19th not tetris not street fighter not zelda not final fantasy not fester's quest mario's what game do you think is coming out on november 19 tell us what's coming out grand theft auto on november 19 and you're gonna have millions of people taking pto that day you just ruined i don't know i may just sit in my office and play grand theft auto all day and just bring all my employees a guy let's compete against each other we're gonna get and not have to get the pto and all that stuff taking place anyways with that being said this is a heavy duty monday with stories that we got to get into which we will but before we get into that you know how we feel about it uh you know it's funny yesterday i'm at a soccer tournament in tampa friday saturday we had an event we host called cxo which we bring a ceo with his executive team it was the greatest cxo meeting we ever had and all we talk about it how to increase valuation of your company how to develop a mode how to you know create a compensation plan that gets people to retention to be higher calibration anyways the event ends last week was a busy event sunday morning i get up and i drive to tampa it's a four-hour drive there then i drove back yesterday to watch a 60 minute game can you imagine what things parents do i drove eight and a half hours yesterday just to go up to watch a 60 minute game on a tournament that we had and then on the drive back when we're coming back this lady sees me she says you know what i agree with the hat you have on she's not a fan she said i also believe the future looks bright i said i do as well i want to make sure everybody out there sees the message of future looks bright you know what look i I love when people are confused and they say, "You really believe That's my favorite people when they say that. 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And apparently that black leather jacket worked, not just with his wife, but with a Chinese spy that came in named Alice Wong, who was working with another company, going out there doing business deals, and all of a sudden you see pictures of them having glasses of wine together, all this stuff. And then the affair becomes public, and then he admits to it. And once he admits to it, he apologizes for being unfaithful to his wife, his family, his kids, his employees, everybody that he's working with. And so now everybody starts talking about, wait a minute, how long has this been known? Have they known this for a while? Allegedly, the DOJ knew about this a year ago. Allegedly, this was reported to them that this relationship, this affair is taking place. Now, keep this in mind. This is one of the hottest stocks that people have been putting money into, that they've made a lot of money on. A lot of money. I think we said five years ago, if you would have put a million dollars into NVIDIA, it would have been a one and a half billion dollar rate of return for you. One and a half billion dollars from a million dollars. I believe that was the number that we talked about. Yep. Okay? So you're not just talking about how many people's lives changed. So now you're conflicted as an investor. Do you want him to step down as the CEO? Do you want to bring somebody else in? They're saying maybe Ives is going to take place. Yep. Then they want to know this relationship, this girl Alice. Was she married? Was she in a relationship? His wife, whom they've been together for, 40 years. I think they've got two kids. They're both working at NVIDIA. And they met at, I think, Oregon State. They've given a lot of money to Oregon State. She runs the charity. There is no prenup. This will be the biggest divorce in the history of America if it ends up taking place. $200 billion. Overnight, she becomes a top 20, top 15 richest woman in the world with a lot of power. And so it was all over the news. Everybody is saying, what happened? And if China can target a CEO and a founder like him, what other places are they getting targeting for? So, Tom, when you saw this story, one, were you surprised? Two, what was your reaction when he said, you know, when he came out and he admitted that this took place? So, first of all, you know, all of a sudden, Jensen Wang is playing Grand Theft Country. And with it being the unwitting, he's being the unwitting player, right, in the game. So the first thing I thought about it was, wait a minute. I didn't go to another guy slipped and fell or anything like that. I didn't because China's had spies out there. They still have spies out there. They, you know, the honeypot is an easy trap. And that happens so much, number one. Number two, there's so much, you know, dalliance that goes on with executives, with girlfriends and mistresses. That doesn't surprise me. What I looked into deeper, and I'm like, wait a minute. I went down to the last minute approvals for certain chips that shipped. I went to an investigative reporter that said there were some 200 series chips, and I'm going to mess up the, help me with the model number of that, there is a 200 series chip that supposedly went to a company that had no address. So it's like, where did those go? And you suddenly had H200s, a data center CPU. And then you had, you remember that, like, we're not selling any chips. We're not selling any chips. And then Jensen met with the president, and some other people, and then we decided we would send them lower power chips, but we wouldn't give them the super-duper chips. Do you remember that, Pat? And I'm sitting there going, wait a minute. Did he get, was he compromised, and he had to do that? Because remember, he personally went to White House, he was trying to do it. So not surprised at the affair. That happens with executives. Not surprised that China is using a spy. But when I looked at all the things that have been happening while this affair was going on, it suddenly made me nervous. Oh my gosh, is there going to be an investigation of this guy? And do we have some deeper problems? That's what I was thinking. And then, why can't Sweden be the most powerful country in the world? Because, and then send the Swedish swimsuit models over. You're disappointed because of the quality of the spy, Tom? That's what upsets you this morning out of all the stories that we have? My point is, can you imagine the problems there would be? Respectfully, respectfully, respectfully, Tom. Can you go to her picture real quick? Can you go to Alice Wong's picture? How would you do that? He pulled up Jensen Wong's wife's picture. Go to Alice Wong's. Okay. What do you give her? Zero to ten. She's an attractive woman. How old is he? I don't know how old she is, but what do you give her? What's the score? She's okay. If she's 40s in her 50s, whatever. Eight, seven, seven and a half, Tom? I want to know what Tom thinks. I give her a rate and a raft. Eight and a half. Okay. I don't know what Tom thinks. Rate and a raft. We're going rate and a raft today. Tom, so that was a better joke. But I guess the question is the following. Do you think the press, president, they're saying the DOJ knew a year ago. Do you think Trump brought it up to him one-on-one when they talked to each other? What do you think? I'll come to you, Lon. Do you think he brought it up to him? I think it's unlikely that he brought it up to him. Unlikely that he brought it up. I don't think he brought it up to him. I think, look, if they were monitoring the situation, this whole concept poses an interesting question, which is like the new Cold War is being fought, not militarily, but with targeting the heads of these massive companies, that are the future of innovation. So there's this weird national security risk that didn't exist before because honeypotting has been around forever. But, yeah, it's hard for me to believe that Trump would go tell him, "Look, you got to cut it out." So here's what some people are saying. And I have to read this because it's important for us to follow this. So a lot of people are saying, "Who won more from this relationship? Did Jensen win more or did Trump win more?" Now, Jensen Huang put $25 million into the ballroom. Number two, the sales, the chip sales that they made to China, do you know what percentage? What percentage went to the taxpayers, to the U.S. government? 15% cut of NVIDIA's China sales went there. So Trump originally demanded 20%. Jensen Huang negotiated down to 15%. Trump also negotiated 25% deal of NVIDIA that they could sell the H200 chips that they were talking about. And then obviously, he is, I don't know if you saw what Trump said about Jensen when they asked him about it. Did you have that clip to play? There was a question about, What do you think about what's going on here? Here's what the president had to say about it. Go for it. NVIDIA is investigating Jensen Huang's relationship with a Chinese spy. Have you spoken to Jensen Huang today? I have not spoken to him about it. I just know he's a fine person, but you never know what is going on. I'm sure, I hope everything's fine. He's done such an incredible job. And so I would certainly hope that he's a fine person, in my opinion. In hindsight, do you wish that you had acted on the intelligence when you were briefed about the spy? No, I don't think so. I think, you know, I think he's an honorable guy. I think he probably has an excuse for it. You have to hear it. No, you can't do that with people. He was, he's done an amazing job for our country. You know how you solve this whole thing? Don't commit adultery. Can somebody put out an email or something? If you're a rich billionaire or a politician and some Chinese girl is all up on you, that should be a huge flag. And actually, a huge red flag. A huge Chinese communist red flag. And your horny faces. First with Eric Swalwell. No, seriously, Tom. Fang, fang. Now it's wang, wang. It's like, how many times? And by the way, this is, again, on the bigger China issue. Like, we kind of joke around about it. Wang, bang, wang. Yeah, exactly. How many guys, from them spying and doing this, to the balloons that were flying over the country that Biden let happen, to buying farmland next to our military bases, COVID. How many times, Pat? And then these people come to our country. And when they went to San Francisco, Newsom took all of American flags out, put all Chinese communist flags. Worship freaking Xi Jinping. He still comes to the White House. And I get it, Pat. I get it. But you know what? We're supposed to pretend that they're not our enemy. And you know what I'm pissed off about? When are we going to start sending our, are we sending our, like, get some Karen Karens or some Susan Susans, send their asses over there. Are we spying on them? It's always them doing it here. Are we doing it to them? I'm tired of that. I brought this up a couple weeks ago, and I wonder if we're doing that or not. I hope so. But here's the thing. Let's stay on that topic. So Anthony asked me a question this morning. You never know what Anthony's going to ask me. That guy asked me. The weirdest question is I'm never ready for it. So he asked me, so, you know, how do you handle this as somebody that, you know, you go and you see a high-profile person like this getting caught by a Chinese spy? What do you do? I said, many years ago, I read a book by Billy Graham. And Billy Graham said when, in the 70s and 80s, pastors were getting caught with members of the church, girls. What was that one pastor, Jimmy? Jimmy Swagger, but he turned out to not be a real pastor. But it was a poster child for just getting caught up in. This. Pastors were getting caught with girls and wives of members of the church. This still happens. For sure it does. But let me tell you, so Billy sat there and he was married to his wife, Ruth. And he says, we got to come up with a strategy because one time he tells the story about being in the hotel and a girl runs in. It's just him and her. It's like, whoa, I don't know where I read this. But anyway, somebody can fact check it. And then they made a decision to no longer travel in twos. They traveled in threes. Smart. And because if you travel in two. So me and Elon can go somewhere. I say, Elon, no one's going to know. Let's just go have a good time tonight with these three girls. Okay. And but if we have Tom with us, Tom will say, no, let's go with four girls. If Tom's with us. Because that's how you roll. One of us. One of us is going to be like, guys, this is a bad idea. We're all married. Someone's going to make that comment. You know? Yeah. It increases. It increases the chances of not doing something dumb. That's the part. It increases the chance of not doing something dumb. So by Tom and I have shared rooms together. So many times. I don't know how many nights it is at this point. 50, 75 nights. Mario and I have shared rooms so many times. And unfortunately, we've also shared rooms with another guy named Amor. But we we've shared rooms with a lot of friends of ours over the years. And you see, that's the protection. But this is the question here, Vinny. Tom, here's a question for you. An incident happened with UFC and Dana White a couple of years ago on New Year's Eve. The fight between him and his wife. Everybody came out saying. Fire Dana. Fire Dana. Fire Dana. I don't know if you have that clip. Are you talking about the smack? Oh, yeah, yeah. The smack. I remember that. Well, he hit her first. She hit him first. Yeah. And then he reacted, right? And he came up and he says, you know, what do you want me to do? You want me to. I'm not talking about this clip. The interview. I want to see what he says is what I want to. Specifically, the interview. So he comes out and says, what do you want to do? You want to replace me with who? Who are you going to replace me with? Go ahead. Find a person to replace me with. Who is it going to be? But now that's an argument between a husband and wife. And he said something. He says, look, if you know me, if you know my wife, you know how we are. We've been together for 30 something years. High school sweethearts. He's kind of explaining the story. But in this case, this scandal is with a Chinese spy. Do you? I want you to think if you had $50 million of stock in NVIDIA, real money, and this thing went from $3.8 million to $50 million, and your net worth is $60 million, which means what? $50 million of it you made because of Jensen Huang driving in NVIDIA. Do you as a shareholder? Do you as a shareholder want Jensen Huang to step down? Do you as a shareholder think selfishly? Me, yes. Do you? You do. As a business, look, there's the moral implications, and there's the business implications. Ethically, 100%. I want him to step down. Who are they going to replace him with? What is the impact going to be on the stock price? They're saying Ives. Ives is the name that's coming up. Pre-market is saying minus 7.26%. Pre-market that it's, by the way, it's minus 12 right now. Minus 12%. Minus 6.53%. It dropped. It dropped right now. Okay, so how much is that? 6.53%? $12 a share. $12, yeah. It's like, what are we talking about? I would say step down, Pat. And I mean, the sooner, the better. The longer it stays, the longer people are like, bro, what are you doing? Well, not just an affair. A spy. That's the problem. There's a national security. That's what I'm asking, Tom. Should he step down, you own $50 million in NVIDIA shares. 80% of your net worth is tied to NVIDIA shares. You know this is the guy that took the company from zero to a couple trillion dollars. Do you encourage him stepping down? If he helped any of those illicit chips get into China, unwittingly or wittingly, if those chips got into China with some of those deals, and the one I'm seeing about is H200 chips were sold to a company that had an empty office at this address because there was an auditor that went there. If that turns out that those went into the wrong side of China, you're done. If it was just. She was trying to get chip information and doing things like this, then maybe you stay. The only way he stays is if he comes out and it's proven that she wanted to get all this information and he didn't give it to her and they had an affair. But I think the odds of that are low. But don't you question his judgment, his character as a person to let something like that happen? There's two different aspects there. You can question Dana White's character as a person when you see that video, but it's really. Yeah. But the question is, again, it's what Tom touched on, is how much damage was actually done. And until you have an actual measurement of that damage, like are his fingerprints on that deal that ended up getting. He may have no choice. What if the DOJ opens a series and says, bad chips got into the central China? Then it's not whether he stays with the company, it's whether he's indicted or not. I think, guys, he's out. I think so. He's out. And to me, it's got less to do with the affair. It's got more to do with who it is. Yep. And don't get me wrong, we're not sitting here endorsing, promoting, defending any of that stuff. The company, they have to make the decision for themselves on what happens there. You know, what do you want to call impeachment over Monica Lewinsky type of thing? But now imagine if Monica Lewinsky was a spy taking information and selling it to China. That's a different kind of impeachment. You want that person to be gone versus, yeah, it's Monica Lewinsky, but look who, you know, Bill was married to. Bill was married to, you know, Hillary Clinton. A lot of people said that, right? And that's why I'm Hillary Clinton. And that's why they call Bill Clinton the first black president. You ever heard, like, when people make that claim? Yeah, it's like Willie. But so to me, I think the idea of being a Chinese, by the way, you know how much money they lost in valuation, roughly? Right now. Market cap, $300 billion, give or take. $300 billion of wealth was lost because of what happened. Let me tell you what I would do a little bit deeper. You know what audit I would do, Vinny? If we're in the U.S. government, I would be telling my guys, and I'm sure they're already doing this anyways, make a list of all major companies. All major companies that China is doing business with or they want to do business with and audit to see what spies we have there. Whether it's AI companies, semiconductors, defense contractors, White House officials, universities, Congress, SpaceX, big tech, everybody. You know how the same way there's a massive paranoia with Israel and AIPAC? Massive paranoia with Israel and AIPAC. The reality of it is they want the information for what? What do they want the information for? It's not like they want the information for, you know, they want the information for control. So Israel. Israel stays as a country. They have the right. You know what China wants the information for? China wants U.S. to fall. And China wants to be the most dominant country in the world with their ideology imposed to the world. China is not waking up in the morning saying, well, I'll let you work with your phenomenal allies. Let's make it bigger. So you have to be very, very careful. I'm willing to bet the amount of Chinese spies they have in university presidents. Think about the influence they have in content that's being taught to kids. 100%. Think about. You know how they're brainwashing kids, the influence they have over there. So this isn't just a beginning. I want to know more how wide this is. I'll give you the final thoughts on this and we'll go to. Yeah, it even goes into Hollywood. Like just speaking from experience, I started noticing that a lot of heavy investors into films like when I was in that space started coming out of China. There was that whole program of getting students over here who are Chinese so that you could get them eventually to have citizenship and vote and all this stuff there. It's a very smart, strategic move on their end. The game they're playing. They're playing. a long game and it's it's slow enough and it's low key enough that you don't notice until these stories come out, and then you kind of forget about this story and move on to the next. So it's an effective strategy that they're using. I think they're going to find a way to protect him, but I think he's going to be stepping away. I think he'll be hired as a consultant or somebody on the board to be able to give feedback, but they need to go find a new CEO, and I don't think they can get rid of him that easily. To replace a guy like that is not going to be that easy because of all the relations, because he's a very good biz dev guy. Absolutely. You have to realize, you don't get to where you're at. A lot of these techies are not biz dev guys. He's not quirky. If you watch the way he speaks, it's very, very rare to get a brilliant guy like that that's also good with people. Typically, the guys that are very brilliant are a little bit awkward. Like Mark Zuckerberg. With that technology, it's a leather game. They're not the most likeable. Doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu would be more likable. So let's go to the next one. The president does a 60-minute interview with CBS. When he sits down with them, there was a lot covered. I watched the whole thing. Tom and I watched it. I don't know if you guys have gone through it yet or not, but it was phenomenal. But the interview was done by Ross Dutat. And there was a few things covered. Here's five things that were the main things from the 60-minute interview. This is a WSJ story. His immigration policies. He said, maybe I may have gone too far. He said, I let in 25. You know, Biden let in 25 million overnight. Clean, pa-pa-pa. But maybe some of these people that we send that could have jobs, that we could do something with them, and we could have certain things that we can do. Maybe we could do something there. And he said that. And he said, I think I can work with the Democrats on this. Number two. He might not endorse a successor. When I asked, hey, would you? He says, maybe I don't endorse anybody. Who knows? Maybe I do. Maybe I don't. Then the other one was ruling out ever forgiving his political enemies. It was a very interesting clip about, hey, you know, would you ever forgive Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, James Comey? And the answer he gave was like, you know, you're at a certain age. He says, I've never met anybody that's lived this glorified of a life like you have. You've lived an amazing life. Don't you think it's something where you ought to forgive them? Especially since you're getting closer. And he says, you know what? It's very easy for me to give an answer and just say yes. I love that. But I can't. I can't. No, I hate these guys. These are my enemies. They made my life a living hell. No, I can't do that. You want me to lie to you? I'm telling you the truth. And then four, reject allegations of self-dealing on a past on the rising, his network and his family's co-ownership of crypto company, World Liberty Financial. Trump said, I devote almost no time to my network. I don't care. My sons run the company. And last but not least, plays. Downed concerns about AI. I don't mind guardrails, but I don't want to put it in deep second position. He talked about AI, super intelligence. China has no guardrails. He said his administration and the guy asked him a question about what do you think happens to you when you die? And it was so funny. He said, what do you think happens to you when you die? He says, well, I hope I'm missed. He says, no, that's not what I'm asking you. I just hope people miss me when I die. Like I'm missed. He says, no. Oh, you're talking afterlife. Yeah. He says, well, I'm a religious man. He says. You know, I go to heaven. He says, you think you're going to go to heaven? He says, I don't know. I don't know. He says, I think I'm going to go to heaven. And then that's when he asked him, well, if you're a religious man and you think you're going to go to heaven, would you forgive these people? And that's when he's like very quickly became a non-religious man. Tom, what'd you think about the interview? It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block. Or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Check responses, setup required compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. Done. No hassle, no negotiation, no guy from an online listing lowballing you, which means by the time I'm done. Cleaning this, you could have basically done it. Some personality quirks are really funny. Like I talk to my left foot more than I talk to my right. 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Anything they want to do, he's going to veto it. And they don't have enough to override the veto. So get ready for two years of stuck in the mud. But as for him, I see resolve. I think there's, again, that follow-up agenda. But there was something else that I saw there. And it's, I think he resolved. I think he really has this sense of, you know, he wants to win. And I think wanting to win came out because politically there will be no more wins. He's not going to be elected again. There's no other elections. The winning and losing in measurements on elections is done. But when he talked about AI, you could see a little glint. I don't know if you saw it, Pat. He's like, I'm not here to have a deep second position to China. And I think you saw a guy where it doesn't matter how you feel, Democrat, Republican, he loves America and he wants to win. And I kind of saw a little bit of that. And I was happy to see it. Yeah, this reminded me of the Trump that isn't right or left. It was a very human interview, which I liked a lot. It was very humanizing. I think that's a nice aspect of Trump. It makes you realize all the accusations and all the talk and all the extreme stuff we hear that there's this guy under there who I really do believe wants what's best for America. The AI issue is such a prominent issue. It's a tough issue. It's a double-sided issue because you have to deal with the idea that China could be ahead of us, which is an endgame, or that we just advance so quick without guardrails. And that's an endgame, too. And this kind of touched on that nature of the difficulty of the things. I wish there were more interviews like this in politics in general. That's what I actually wish. Yeah, but you know what is crazy, though? Think about if you're president. Say you become president, Tom. You're president. Okay, Tom, you're president, okay? And comment sections will stay there. Let's just say you're the president. I'm not looking at comment. I'm just telling you. You always say that. That's not what I'm looking at. Let's say you're the president. Here's a question for you. Would you be this available to press as he is? Don't just say yes. Actually think about what I'm asking you. No, I wouldn't. If you were the president, would you say yes to this many interviews? Absolutely not, considering 90% of them hate you. They're trying to get a cliff. What would you do, Tom? Well, I mean, go back and take a look at the accessibility of Obama. Go back and look at the accessibility of Biden. I'm asking specifically about you. No, no, no. I'm saying if I was president, I would look back at accessibility and what does that do to me, and I would look for examples. And I probably wouldn't be nearly as accessible as Trump because a lot of head to headaches came from it, but I respect that he did it. I'm asking a simple question, Tom. Would you be as accessible as he is? No, I wouldn't. I want a shorter version. So then this is a follow-up question to you. Here's a follow-up question to you. The fact that he is this accessible, how do you feel about this man that's this accessible? Everybody beats him up, but he never turns out in an interview. What does that say about the man's character? I respect it. Well, it also says that he's willing to get in the ring. He believes in what he's saying. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone through. But the day he was shot in the ear, he was right back at it. I guarantee you. The day this guy is done with, or he dies, or he's gone, he's no longer with us, which, God willing, that day comes a long time because I want him to live a long time afterwards to spend time with his grandkids. I want that for everybody. But God willing, when that day comes, when that day comes, you know what media is going to realize? Deep down inside, they're going to realize how much they miss how available he was to talk to everybody and never turn down a conversation. Because I honestly. Don't think there's a single story So, I want you to think about any personality and profile. Who would be this accessible? I don't think there's anybody that would be this accessible. Go talk about every one of them. Is Jamie Dimon this accessible? Is Bob Iger this accessible? He never talks to anybody. Tell me what executive. Go tell me what executive is as accessible as he is. What executive? And there's never been someone. As accessible. There's never been someone as targeted by the press as he is. So, on top of being accessible, he's going into enemy territory from any objective standpoint. They're constantly trying to find clips to ruin him. Which I could understand why. Like, when he says, Pat, because I saw multiple clips. And I want to get into an AI one as well. When he said, because he looked at them and he was kind of smiling. He goes, I hate my enemies. These aren't like a one-off somebody said something bad about you in the press, Pat. Since 2016, guys, the list is insane of what they've done. On top of trying to shoot him. And it's. Hitler and all that stuff. FISA abuse. It's still, to this day, like, mind you, the Pelosi's and the Schumer's. If, God forbid, Trump was killed, how do you think that they would respond? And I'm being genuine. I think Hillary, my opinion, all of them would be celebrating behind closed doors. Behind closed doors. But maybe some of them even in public. Because that's how dark their souls are. But, Pat, I think when it came to the immigration thing, some people were saying, oh, he's bending the knee. Look what he's saying. He's talking about people that have been here for 10 to 15 years. Which we talked about this. You have to have a. There has to be a fix. And nobody, nobody brings up the Biden stuff on the left. None of these Cretans want to bring up that almost 15 million people were purposefully let in. None of the pundits. None of the left. None of them said anything. Pat, and it drives me crazy. But I wanted to mention this part, too. He said, did you guys catch this? That his administration called a leader of a major AI company and threatened them with jail. He said, and I quote, we said. He said, do you like the color orange, which is hilarious? Go home right now. I started laughing. See your wife and children. Give them a kiss. Good night. Because tomorrow morning you're going to go to jail. He had that. What do you think he was talking? I don't. Who would that? Well, I have an idea. Oh, would it be a Sam Altman? That's right. OK, I think he was talking about Altman. Do you remember that one part when he I watched a longer version of it just to see what what was being said? I think he was talking. What do you think that was about? Like meaning we're going to send you to jail unless you do what? Well, you know, he was he was pushing the envelope a little bit. There was a moment where Altman had a lot of he was he was being a little bit. Look, let's just say this way of all the people. Do you know Anthropic, how Anthropic got started? Oh, I honestly don't know. Seriously, I swear to you, I don't know. Do you know seven out of seven founders of Anthropic came from OpenAI? They left. Let me say this one more time to you. Anthropic got started because of Sam Altman. They used to work at Anthropic. Sam Altman pushed. Sam Altman pushed seven of them out. They got so pissed. They said, boom to you. Start our own thing. They went from OpenAI. OpenAI. From OpenAI to going and starting Anthropic. And this is where Elon was talking crap to him because he said it was supposed to be open source. This was a nonprofit. Open AI. Think about the title of the open AI. And nonprofit. Elon gets 50 million. You convert it. Elon gets nothing. But Sam Altman's gay. So when he says here, go home and kiss your wife. Was he talking about him? I think it was. I think it was metaphorical. No, he is gay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think what Trump was saying. Say hi to Chuck. That was a metaphor. It's like, hey, go kiss your family tonight. You're going to jail. Go kiss your husband. And by the way, I'm purely speculating. It could be somebody else. I'm just giving my opinion. Go ahead, Tom. And you have to remember who was in Trump's ear at that time. Elon Musk. Who was in the middle of two level lawsuit that he lost on a timing technicality, not because it was wrong. Elon Musk. So the president had a lot of Elon Musk in one ear and Altman was also coloring outside the lines, as they say. And so that's why I thought it was Altman, because I said, man, that all comes together. Look how close it is. Also, because you have to remember, the US government fears AI because they want to use it for surveillance on us and they do not want it to be outside the box. Now, let me let me do this. So part I want to go to is the following. There was obviously a massive divide in the Republican Party, which led to the election midterms. What happened? And look, nobody sits here and says. I'm willing to bet any of these major podcasters out there that are on the conservative side, none of them would have the audacity to go and meet and sit down with anybody at any point. They would be selective. This guy's not. He's got the guts to sit down with anybody, right? But watch this. There's certain things you simply shouldn't say. Trump goes out there and says voters should blame themselves for stock market route. OK, so let me read this to you again. These are the types of things that he says. That you sit there and you're like, all right, this is never going to change. This is not like he's ever going to change. So this is not a, hey, feedback, consider doing this. No. President Trump said Thursday, this is an Axios story, night that voters had themselves to blame for the stock market's historic sell off. Two days after Republicans lost the midterms elections in historic fashion, the president was lashing out at the voters who rejected his candidates and message stock plunge Thursday and with the text heavy Nasdaq sinking more than 5% as AI linked stocks sold off, investors are scared. This is a very skittish about the future of AI development and the data centers at the power technology. And Tuesday's blue wave usher in candidates. Stock market crashed today because the Democrats had a big Tuesday. So sad, so sad to see you only have yourselves to blame. He said on Truth Social. OK, you know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of Yankees are doing a post game. You know, they're doing a conference about the fact that Cashman is staying, Boone is staying, all this stuff. And you know what? I think it was Hal. Hal was there. He says, look, let's face it, it's not because the team they put together, it's definitely not because of management, it's definitely not because of pitching, it's because of hitting. Yeah. So you put the onus on who? Your players. Yeah. Players are the reasons why you didn't win. Yeah. All right. Hey, you know why the stock is down? Nike, because it's customer's fault because you guys are no longer coming to buy. Nike went from 261 billion out of valuation to 50 billion. Moments like this opens for criticism. Who is the one person you never publicly criticize is your customers. Period. Period. Period. Sometimes your customer just goes away because you said something about the customers who were once very loyal to you and they were buying from you. You know who's made that mistake before? All of us have. Yep. Who hasn't made that mistake? You're upset. You're frustrated. And you're like, it's the agent's fault. It's this person's fault. It's that person's fault. Who's the leader in charge? Who's got the top? Who chose the leaders? Who chose the policies? Who made the decisions? Sometimes comments like this carries more weight than you think. And you need to be reminded and say, hey, it's not the customers. Find a way to let them know the way you want them before. And by the way, going back to the 60-minute thing, Tom, you made a very good point of how poised he was. Like, I don't sense any bitterness from him. This is actually the most bitterness energy I've seen in a tweet. It's always his tweets. His crazy tweets. You sense that. You don't. You just need to do that. So, I don't know. I don't know if the person that's sitting there saying, hey, do you want to send this tweet? I don't know if there's a point of sending this tweet or not. But it is what it is. Nothing's changed. It's not going to change. It's things like this that upsets people. Tom, your thoughts on this? Well, you know, there's a saying that goes out there, and we've all said it. It's like, hey, Angelenos, you get what you vote for. Now you've got to live with it. I've said that about Los Angeles. And I was the voter out there. And I've said we. I said we get what we vote for because there were things going on in California that I didn't like. So, you— You're on the voter side. Exactly. You're the customer. In the crowd, you can say that. From the podium, it's hard. And I'm hoping this is just one blip in what is a very resolved president going out to work with the agenda and get some things done between now and January 4th. More about the— About this. I just— Listen, comments like that are going to make people jump off you. But, and again, Pat, that's just how he's wired is never to put the— Never to put the— Like, when have you actually— I think yesterday's interview was the one time he— Like, about immigration. Yeah. Immigration. That's the— Me, personally. First time I actually saw, like, yeah, we kind of— You know what I mean? Like, we kind of messed up. But, like I said, this type of stuff, Pat, at his age, where he's at in his life, he's never going to change when it comes to this type of stuff. But guess what? The market doesn't lie. The voting people— By the way, let me say the crazy thing. Here's the crazy thing. He's right. But it— Yeah. But let me— Yeah. Yeah. Let me tell you what I mean here. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. The reality— What I love about what he said, the interviewer, you chose the candidates. These are the candidates you brought in. You brought in these guys, right? Ken— What is it? Paxton. One of the most boring candidates ever. I interviewed him, and I'm waiting for him to explain the policies. Vanilla after vanilla after vanilla after vanilla. vanilla answers who the hell is gonna rally for you so he's not wrong that the voters voted for this and he said he said something in the question to the guy he says in 60 minutes how's your 401k doing everyone so i said i tell everybody when you vote just look at your 401k because the moment when they voted the other way, the 401k went down. Well, you voted for that. He's not wrong there, but the problem is, there's also part of it is that you made the decision with the war, you made the decision, and whether right or wrong- - Stops with you. - That's the buck stops with you. - There's an important note. Presidents aren't rewarded for long-term benefits to the country, they're rewarded for short-term. So the next, the two years is what people vote on. They don't vote on your vision for the next 10, 15 years. And that's been a problem Trump from the start uh and you you know accountability is something that I think nowadays people really really like that that human moment that you touched on Vinny yeah when he was talking about immigration that resonates with voters that resonates with people kind of breaks this whole concept and more and more and more voters are pushing away from this two-party concept and they're looking at it of what benefits my life so when Trump has this weird dichotomy of one second he connects with you and then the next second he takes this elitist position the economy is amazing you don't know what you're talking about to the voter and then he does things like this yeah and uh regardless of whether it's true or not it's a messaging issue yeah let's let's go to next door next I want to talk about is Jennifer Welch from the podcast I've Had It she and her co-host they're watching you know story with Charlie and then all I just want to play this clip for you on how 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Basics, Life Pro, Quince, Robody, ASPCA, Pet Insurance, FFRF, HomeServe, Flamingo, not tied to the old casino. So ZipRecruiter stayed out of all the names of the bigger companies. Now, they had to come out and apologize. And I want you to see how they apologized. I don't know if you have that clip ready or not. This is the way their apologies sound. And you tell me if this is very sincere. Maybe you see this as sincere. Watch this. Go for it. All right. There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the titty babies over at Turning Point that want I've Had It podcast to be canceled. Why is Turning Point spearheading this? Well, let me tell you why. They are in big trouble. Even Republicans are starting to question, are they worth it? They get millions of dollars in funding. And as everybody saw on Tuesday, they got L. After L. After L. After L. Because they're losers and they lost because they believe in nothing. So now they're trying to ignite a war with us because they want to prove to their donors we can cancel libs. This is the guy that leads the charge over at Turning Point. He says if they apologize, he's talking about us, for being part of a toxic and evil culture that perpetuates violence against conservatives, I might actually be willing to listen. Andrew. We're we're never ever going to sit down and listen to you when we apologize for laughing at a joke on our podcast. That wasn't for you. That was for us because somebody I love very much died from gun violence two years ago. And I just didn't feel good about that. And that apology was so that when I advocate for common sense gun reform, that I'm doing it clean and clear. I don't expect you to understand this because at Turning Point, y'all laugh at violence. All the time. You talk about how empathy is toxic and a worthless feeling. So I don't expect you to understand that. But for you to think that apology was for you just exemplifies how out of whack you are with where the American people are. Andrew responds back saying, Dear Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan, thank you for the video, but it's not hard. Not that hard. Just don't legitimize political violence. You can blame me or Turning Point all you want, but we're not the reason all your sponsors are fleeing. You are your lack of. Remorse is the least surprising thing of all. I never once expected you to listen to me, but maybe just maybe you'll listen to all the brands that no longer want to be associated with you. Vinny, thoughts? Well, I know and everybody that's watching knows that I talk about evil on this podcast a lot, and I want people to understand all the time that we're up against. I remember the conversation we had where I kind of did a blanket statement of evil and demons, and I understood like I have to adjust. OK, but also we talked about the exceptions to the rule, and I'm telling you, go. Go back to just her photo, Connor. Just just look at the face. Pause it on her video. What this person exudes. OK, I don't know about the other one with her weird glasses. I'd never even heard of her, but like the serious XM photo like on the left. That to me is evil. OK, you could see it in her face. You guys, even in her apology. All right. Even when she laughed, they sounded like witches to me. Guys, it was such an eerie feeling. I feel in my stomach. So I because, by the way, I love. Charlie. I love Charlie to death. I love Charlie, what he stood for him, every single thing that he talked about. So I personally, when I heard the story, I went and I emailed all these people. I didn't know if the list started or whatever. And Connor, can you pull up? I emailed everybody an ember, which I have an ember mug that it's a it's an automatic coffee cup heater. I emailed them and I said, you go back. I just emailed them a long email. Guys, I talked about Cash App and Cash App. Did it go to the other one, Connor? And they said, go back to that. Just. Their response. Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and sharing your concerns with our team. The recent remarks made on the I've had a podcast are inconsistent with Ember's values and the principles we uphold as a company. In light of these concerns, we have made the decision to discontinue our advertising partnership with the podcast effective immediately. We appreciate your feedback and continue to support Ember because they know who I am because I own Ember and I've emailed them multiple times for other things. But anyway, this is what I want people to know that we're up against. And mind you, guys, that fake apology. And who? She is as a human being. This isn't the first time. Connor, can you pull up that clip? She was it was right around when Charlie was assassinated. Pat, do you guys know Caitlin Bennett? She goes she does in the street stuff. Look at what she does, Pat, when she goes up to a woman. Look at this clip. Look at her response to this, Pat. They're asking about Charlie Kirk's murder. Go ahead and play this clip. Glad if I would die. Maybe I'd have to think about it. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're ashamed of yourself. Your friend just said she'd be happy if I died. Look, watch this demon. So listen up, Democratic establishment Democrats, you can either jump. on board with this shit or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after pause that and i've been saying that for a long time pause that we see that listen to what she said she again your character i've never seen this you demon she says pat to democrat she's giggling and laughing at people love that charlie was dead and that she was she was dead she says openly hey democrats basically innuendo if you don't get in line we're gonna shoot your ass too think about what this human being is doing and guys i'm not about cancel culture i am not talk whatever you want you have the first amendment but that doesn't mean sponsors and people have to sit back yeah and pay you money for your disgusting evil rhetoric i don't know and i by the way i commented because she shut off all her instagram you can't message her even if you're following her i left a thing on instagram and i go i don't know what happens to you as a human being to get to this but i pray to god that i don't know her religious you have to read about jesus christ but elon i have to pray for this person yeah we do we all talk about this as much as anger she got out of me i have to pray that she finds it because as it how can you wake up in the morning tommy and have this in your heart where you're laughing about a guy getting freaking murder i don't get it so there's yeah please there has been a mass dehumanization campaign that has started it's well over a decade now you look at the polling of how much political violence is accepted especially in the United States and in the United States and in the United States especially in gen z harvard youth poll in 2025 found 39 percent of young americans age 20 18 to 29 believe political violence is sometimes justified these numbers are repeated over and over 43 percent and growing since 2018 growing uh tremendously you know it's funny she said they have nothing and the second she said that the only thing i could think about is you have nothing you do not have god in your life because if you had god in your life you could not celebrate the pain i want people to realize it just just think about this for a minute we saw charlie kerr's assassination of one of the women in the city of new york who was killed by a man who was assassinated publicly his family had to witness that i don't care if you're on the right you're on the left the ability to laugh for that and you're we're hyper fixating on her this is endemic of a much bigger problem in society right now and it's becoming worse and worse and worse we're seeing it in the rhetoric from numerous numerous political speakers and comedians people dressing up they're calling for violence they're saying we're gonna hang you there's gonna be a nuremberg trial and this language is becoming more normalized more accepted i talk about new normals a lot we're at a new normal now where political violence on the left it's not only coming after the right it's coming after the centrist democrats they will try and tear everything down that's true and this may be a good time to go uh to scott galloway and take a look what galloway said and galloway equated you know uh elon musk trying to push the things that he believes in and that's all musk was doing hasn't been indicted musk hasn't gone anywhere and galloway's out there saying hey we took the rosenbergs and we put them up against the wall he doubled down on this and then he doubled out on it and then i just sent a tweet can we have the tweet up you know people say well all tech is going to protect itself not necessarily look what jason c said if you sponsor this podcast the pivot calling for the execution of elon musk i will never use your product and will buy from both of your top two competitors this is unacceptable and the word he uses dangerous to your point there are people on the left and center that are saying wow this is really dangerous and he said this is a dog quoting quoting jason this is a dog whistle to murder someone because you disagree with them and not even a dog guy who joked about the assassination of president trump and then he has uh then he goes into a very uh personal jab that he puts at galloway that i'll leave it between him and galloway but what's interesting is 2024 cara swisher and galloway joked about the attempted murder of attempted assassination uh of trump the shot at butler and so to your point we now have multiple leaders that are calling for what they don't see you know what they don't see pat you've become the totalitarians that you were warning us about fascist you are no you are yes but they are being the frogs boiled in the pot coming to the end point that they said was us where are they they don't understand what kent state was about you go back to kent state when the national guard panicked and four students that were there protesting got shot by national guardsmen and everybody was worried about the right now you have the left straight up saying hey these people these people gotta go and when you take gotta go to the end justifies the means pat jason's right it's dangerous yeah i want to go to this over the weekend dave chappelle there's a special that he's doing i don't even think it's a special it's just again and i think it is it's what it's called yeah and he's out there and he said this about charlie kirk and somebody was recording it on their phones they posted it it was everywhere go ahead i feel fucked up saying this it's scary being a public speaker and i i mean look ever since that guy charlie kirk got murdered and i shouldn't say this publicly but i feel better and there's another clip chan can you play the other clip can i say something when i heard this i said as a comedian i gave him a sliver of a benefit i go maybe he's setting something up pat where it's gonna that's right different okay and i want to i want to make a point when you go to shows they give you a lanyard they give you a locked thing where your phone has to sit inside you can't have your phone locked you can't have your phone locked you can't have your phone locked somebody snuck this in which they weren't supposed to do but i'm happy that they did it this is the second part where he says i'm sure carly charlie kirk is uh looking up at us right now laughing at let he can't look up yeah looking up god listen by the way but they say this is because of what hinchcliffe said about george floyd which i understand that i understand that 100 but from people that i that that were there that were online that were here pat hundreds of people got up and they left even if you heard that girl in the first clip she goes listen say what he's still a human being okay and i'm gonna say this just as a comedian well dave chappelle was on david letterman they were sitting when he had the beard now he's doing a podcast he was sitting over here like crying almost emotionally about george floyd i have lost all respect everything for dave chappelle i don't care how funny he is all of his specials chappelle showed to me it's that and then living color top two but can you imagine just put yourself there for a second elon if shane gillis who's up there went on stage and said ever since george floyd died man i just i feel better i think society imagine this rant is in a better place not having a scumbag with the rap sheet that included theft aggravated robbery he actually put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach hey think about this all you george floyd mural worshipers put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach while she's in the hospital she's in the hospital she's in the hospital while his friends robbed the freaking house okay and i bet you george floyd right now is definitely looking up us right now in his fentanyl crackhead self um that had enough fentanyl to kill a giraffe imagine what the world would do okay and since you he wants to talk about that if you guys have to bet money on who's in heaven and who's in hell is it charlie kirk the guy who devoided his life to jesus christ spreading the word defending his faith talking to college kids putting his life on scumbag i am pat this made me live it and you know what bothered me even more the charlie kirk when when dave chapelle in may 2022 guys was tackled on stage by some non-binary whatever the hell that person was charlie stuck up for him and went after the da of he said by refusing to charge the armed maniac who attacked jave chapelle on stage george gascon is that's the da is sending a clear message that public acts of political violence are justifiable and even encouraged against anyone who dares to speak out against the regime okay this guy stuck up for you this guy stuck up for you put his this is the immediately after you were freaking rushed god thank god nothing happened to you seriously but we're we're not allowed to talk about george floyd and at the end of the day he died of a freaking his heart failure stopped because of drugs i'm sorry to derrick chauvin lots of them would never have met him think about this george floyd never meets george floyd wasn't a scumbag to society full stop you don't even meet him he doesn't put his knee on you or nothing so to even compare or get emotional about george floyd and look at what happened because of that because of the country because of george floyd people burned down this country billions of dollars of damage it was all hell why and a mural because of all these losers that pointed put put black squares on your instagram and blm that thing that you guys stood for they stole money from everybody how stupid do you feel i just want to say this i think and i'm going to have a moment of honesty i think the entire discourse around all of this has gone insane i think there's mass dehumanization across the board i think even vinny's anger right now which left or right but across the board i just want to say this i just want to say this everything has to cool down we all have to i really believe we all have to find a way to lean into god we're not going to change them we're not going to change them by making it a competition of george floyd versus charlie kirk a human life is a human life in the end of the day i had empathy for george floyd i didn't i wasn't happy when i saw the footage of no but who was that's my whole point do we celebrate it if your humanity is lost i don't care what ideologies you support i don't care if it's on the right or the left it has to stop being about that to do if you see a man die and you feel like it was under circumstances that were unjustified regardless of george floyd regardless of charlie kirk you do not celebrate it because you're a human being and through that you have empathy for other human beings and we're losing that empathy we've lost touch with the plot completely it's really really sad tom i'm curious what do you say you just heard two different positions here what were you out with it i i think we have to find some way to turn down the heat because people are getting hurt um but i'm not going to turn down my passion for my point about family and conservatives and the things i i believe in but i'll tell you you know you're not allowed on the conservative side elon yeah we need to turn on the heat but i get attacked when all i said all i said was you know that's really unfortunate what happened to george floyd but why was he not allowed to turn down the heat there in that liquor store why was he drugged up in that condition and why did he put himself in that position and i wasn't allowed to say that i was i was attacked and assailed on x because you're not allowed to say that because they're trying to run a narrative against you they're trying to push hard and all i'm saying is if you don't want to get in a situation like that with the cops and then the cops end up in in in prison after a trial then maybe you shouldn't be doing this this this and be completely drugged up that someone called 9-1-1 and called the cops because of you to come out there tom and so but what i'm not allowed to say that i'm not allowed to say wow that this is unfortunate this is the consequence of the action then they come back and they raise the heat and they're like oh you like that it happened because you're conservatives and that's a dehumanization toward me so i do think we have to find a way to believe it or not who benefited the most from george floyd who benefited the most and the democrats when did george floyd happen what's the exact date of george floyd uh what's the date who benefited the most from george floyd's event 2020 go to what's the exact date 20 okay what what year was that remember every year i would say election every time may or june of election year something like this happens you know who benefited the most from this democrats obviously they benefited the most from this but this this is kind of where i'm going on and when i watched uh make that joke i thought he was promoting a special because if you think about the way he does it he'll make a comment like this and cut it get a lot of talk then everybody haters and supporters have to go watch a special there is no special there was no he's not promoting the special number two is you know freedom of speech has consequences you can say things but there's also consequences people can support you and not support you and come back and do all that stuff no problem you know then then you have the responsibility of a leader where you say things that you can make change it can actually cause people to want to do something you're laughing at a guy that defended you classless you don't do something like that this is not a guy that was your enemy so to me i i wonder you know rogan said something on a show a couple years ago where he said hey maybe maybe not even a couple years ago maybe like nine months ago about what he feels is going to happen with the jokes about charlie kirk what angle a lot of people are going to take where it's going to be like hey they're going to start joking and the person that ended up being the one that ended up being the one that ended up being the one that ended up doing that is a friend of his dave chappelle is a good friend of joe rogan they've done a lot of stuff together over the years you go to mgm madison square and when you go to mgm in vegas the posters on the wall are chappelle and rogan so you know sometimes when something like this happens is this it you know i celebrate when i anticipate i have close friends and time pairs on comedy where i wonder what he thinks about dave chappelle's comments yeah play this clip to celebrate or to in any way encourage this kind of behavior from human beings it's not a you know you're talking to people on college campuses wasn't even particularly rude who's tried to be pretty reasonable with people and there's a lot of stuff that i didn't agree with them on that's fine you're allowed to disagree with people without celebrating the fact they got shot and to encourage this kind of thing is really one of the most can i bring up an important story this is tough though no the reason why i play this is so you know you got friends you got relatives you got family you got a lot of people that you love right and these are your relationship people that you know but do people have immunity on things that they can say immunity in what sense of you can get away and say whatever you want to say and you're protected you you you have to you have to call out comments that are made you know joe said something about theo vaughn i think nine months ago and theo wasn't happy about it and then joe came up and he apologized and said listen man i'm sorry maybe that was uh something we shouldn't talk about i think that's why joe is joe this is why you know he does what he does but in this case um in this case it's not acceptable to talk like this it's not acceptable to talk like this for dave chapelle to tell a joke like that and more importantly when he said it first do you the first group of people that laughed was the one that i'm most concerned about i don't know if you heard they laughed before he even said they clapped they clapped they celebrated millions of people that are like that absolutely in america but it wasn't even a joke that no and it wasn't a joke but he's a comedian so whatever i have one note i want to tell you and i want and i want to hear your story but i i have to disagree with i understand the temperature absolutely but elon i hope we're not going to pretend like this is a right issue the left is the party of violence if they don't win if they don't get it their way they will burn down this freaking country and kill their own people number one okay we're seeing it with this gen welsh and her disgusting freaking host dave chapelle bro at the poll station in minnesota one of the poll ladies had a bloody neck shirt making fun of charlie kirk this is don't get me wrong there's people on the right that are violent they're out there but this is a predominantly left issue and you're right it's because they are a godless freaking party i've said this multiple times show me an openly christian that's showing their faith democrat you're not going to find it okay and i'm just i'm just tired of it that we have to sit there and we obviously have to be the the more loving group but these people literally are celebrating they're hoping that freaking we get we get killed and they'll never going to stop they're never going to think of martyrs for christ okay think of people have martyred themselves for christ yes and so what i what i'm warning you against is a slippery slope because you're right it is predominantly right now on the left it's coming from the left and what's the response to that in instinctively and i have this response to i i want to have a strong response back i want to fight violence with violence a lot of the time that's my natural instinct i want to fight violence with violence a lot of the time i want to fight violence with But that's not the right way to deal with it in many cases. There's, and I forgot his name, I was looking for it, the black man who drove KKK members to their meetings. Okay, and over, if we could find his name, it's an unbelievable story, but over years, he saved roughly like 400 people from being white. They did a documentary on him. And even anecdotally, I get a lot of death threats because of positions I take, and I always spend, but when you respond to them with absolute kindness, some of them, not all, some of them respond back and say, you know what, I forgot you were a human being. We have to remind people on the left, and it's hard, we're not going to win them all over, but we have to remind people, because again, it shouldn't be right versus left, it's a human issue, that everyone is a human being in the end of the day. I don't want you to get sucked into the anger and let it consume you, because then they win. Then that, and it's going to, as much as you say right now it's a left issue, it is. In five years from now, you will see the pendulum swing, the other way, because it's a natural response to this kind of rhetoric and this kind of violence. So that's a dangerous place to go, and then it keeps swinging, and it keeps going up. To what end? So I just want to be solution-based. I want to have some kind of outlook where there's a positive outlook. Because mind you, I don't want violence. I know that. I get emotional because if it's every day, bro, you're getting slapped in the face, slapped in the face, and your hands are just like this, I'm not going to hit them back, but it's like, bro, my voice, I want to expose them as much as they can, and I love the fact, Pat, that it's hitting their wallet. Like you said, we're not going to stop them from this, but you have no idea how happy, I got the email in the morning, like 12.30, almost 1 in the morning. I was so freaking happy I couldn't go back to sleep. I'm like, you could say whatever you want, all your disgusting rhetoric, but now your wallet's going to get hurt, and I'm happy that $2.5 million was affected. What I love that Pat did is he didn't just name the companies that left, he named the companies that stayed, and that's what everyone should take note of. When you talk about consequence, that's the kind of consequence I'm for. I don't want any regulation on free speech. Me neither. But the companies that stayed with that podcast, those are the ones that care. Yeah, so I think both messages are necessary, what you said, millions are with him, and fewer people are on your side. I know. On what you're saying. But it's needed. It's needed for us to be able to think about that as well, because you're controlling the pulse. We have to be thinking about what's going on in America right now. Comments like this don't help. To come from a professional like him doesn't help, but it is what it is. Some are going to say, well, Hinchcliffe said, what's wrong with this? I get it. I'm just saying there's a conversation behind it. All right, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is chief of staff. So Susie Wiles, all of a sudden, out, replaced with Stephen Miller. While this happens, after Susie Wiles being fired after the midterms blowout, Dene Callie, means senior advisor to RFK from HHS, goes on the Rogan podcast. I don't know if you have a clip from that one or not, but in the podcast, they talk about a lot of different things. One of the things they talk about is that Susie Wiles had a group of three people that were working for her, that the timing of some of the things that happened were her death. daughter got a job at this one place that the revenue went from zero to 30 million dollars too many things that was concerning but i'll let you watch the clip here first and then we'll react to it go for it and suzy's uh person walker bear is there and he puts an executive order down on the desk and he says please review and it was the glyphosate eo that uh says it's a national security issue we need to have glyphosate and alluded to liability protection using national defense um reasons national security national security make sure that we have glyphosate use and i will tell you the secretary of war the major generals they don't see our lack of glyphosate on u.s farms as a national security issue and the eo was all about farming all about glyphosate no nobody in military leadership sees this as a national 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apply okay so this obviously tom i'll come to you first because i know you got a lot of things you want to say matter of fact i'll just come to you first what are your thoughts on this first suzy wiles stephen miller and then this story dropping with callie means first of all the whole dialogue over the weekend is now a calling into question was suzy wiles the chief of staff or was she you know kind of crossing over the line like so many of them do and is she open now to the allegation that maybe she was a you know a swamp creature like so many others and when they say swamp creature they're talking about people that end up on the public dole uh using their position in government to get there uh and so you've got on one hand suzy's being accused of that and if that's the case that is disappointing to me and that was really sad because i thought she was a white hat um but what callie means is bring it up here um and then over the weekend on this they reached out to him and said hey you know um this isn't true and he said great if it's not true then let me post this the following protection order and what what he did was here it is he came back and said okay if you say it's not true that i'm calling you out as sort of a swamp creature and as a member of the swamp that was supposedly we were supposed to be draining and yet you're making money on it you're protecting glyphosate under national security a chemical that is giving people cancer in use in agricultural um he says then you need to do this you need to preserve all of the following When he goes out with this, crickets, Pat. When he came out and said, all of this protective, crickets. Todd Blanche was then asked on the CBS morning shows on Sunday, hey, what about this? He referred to him as a podcaster and said that he is not inclined to investigate this because he's a disgruntled ex-government employee. And so I'm like. How do you process that? I process that as like, well, Todd's certainly not running to Susie Wiles' corner, you know, and all he would have had to do. If Todd was really on Susie's corner, what is the only thing he has to do? This guy better watch his mouth. He was in charge of and then access to very sensitive information, government secrets and stuff. I think you need to be careful about the things he says. That's all you have to say as an AG. You know what I mean, Pat? To kind of throw a shot out there. He doesn't. He just says, I don't really pay attention. I understand what he said and everything. So the first thing I have is on Susie Wiles. I'm going, wow, this is a big allegation. This is a big steaming pot of goo if it is, in fact, true. And it's exactly the kind of things that people talk about the revolving door that you leave government and you go up to K Street, you end up on a board and you end up as a lobbyist. And so one of the allegations he made is that Susie Wiles put lobbyists and campaign donations ahead of children's health. And she kept telling them to Callie and others. We need money for midterms, Callie. We need money for midterms. And then, of course, a daughter allegedly received special treatment with business dealing that employed Wiles' daughter as a lobbyist receiving preferential access to government funding. And then Trump being kept on in the dark by his own advisers not telling him what's going on. That was one of the bigger things where Trump didn't know that some of these things that were taking place. So this looks very, very nasty on this story coming out. Tom. In regard to this, this is my question for you. You know how sometimes, because the part that makes it weird to me is the following. Here's what makes it weird to me. When did this interview drop? Great. I got you. Two or three days ago. What day did it drop? So the interview was on Thursday, November 5th. Thursday, November 5th. What is that? The interview dropped Friday, November 6th. Okay. When did Wiles get fired? And Trump announced that Wiles was out and Stephen Miller was replacing her. On Friday. Same time. Same day. So the Rogan interview was Thursday, the actual interview. Susie submitted her resignation that night. The interview drops on Friday, November 6th. And Trump announces that Wiles was out and Miller was in on Friday. After the interview. Yes. So the interview wasn't done on the 6th. The interview was done the day before because you got to cut it up and do all that stuff. So I think this was the sequencing. I think this was a guess that went on that was timed. To get ahead of the story of Wiles, to minimize the stories. And I think it was very intentional and the sequencing was brilliant. Great. Because what it automatically did is say something. Go. Announce it. You better not say anything or else do the interview. Boom. Let's move on. She's been fired. I think that's what happened. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yes. I do. And I also want to, my third point, I understand that and I agree with it. But one of the things that bothers me about it is that we, she, we called them the sugar guys and supposedly multiple people on the, on the inside said, that's exactly what she was saying. They went out to get money from the sugar guys and RFK. Remember he came out on vaccination. He came out on COVID. He came out on food dyes. Do you remember what happened when they started going out on sugar? All of a sudden RFK, wait, wait, wait, hang on a second. Let's go easy on sugar. We're selling a lot of diabetic medication in this country and we sell a lot of sugar. Maybe RFK, you got your food dyes, you got your COVID, you got your other things, but maybe let's all of a sudden Maha kind of, do you remember that? I remember all of a sudden Maha got quiet. And so I see all of this together, but I agree with you on the sequencing at the end. But if this is really true and this is how it went, then we went to drain the swamp, but, but they circumvented Trump and behind his back, apparently we're doing swamp things. And Tom, you mentioned the sugar. He said this percentage, which I checked, which is a little bit lower talking about the sugar folks, 38% of teens have prediabetes. And he said, nobody gives a, you know what? Did you? What's the real? number, though. I checked it, Elon. It's a little bit less, but think about that. Almost 40% of kids are pre-diabetic. So he's not lying. All the Coca-Cola, all the everything. And I just want to make a quick point with Tom. I was talking with Tom about how RFK went in there and he did his thing. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, boy, I haven't heard anything about this guy. And this is what bothers me. I have two questions, Elon. What else was kept? What else was she gatekeeping or whatever? Because we talked about this before the podcast. Well, you're the president of the United States. You can't. You own businesses. Pat owns business. Yeah, we were talking about it. You can't sit there and puppeteer everything. You have to trust this person. And if this person is what they're saying that it is, they were keeping things which were, by the way, harming Americans and harming children because of their lobbying interests. And the list was huge, Tom. So I just wanted to know what else was kept. Think about anything with the Iran war. It was a chemical that was harming adults. And the cancer incidents among adults working with that, I believe, is six. Six X worse. Yes. So this glyphosate is an industrial chemical, which is it, which is there were big, giant companies making big donations. This is not new. That needed protection. Yeah. But this is this is a long standing issue in politics. It's everything people hate in the government that you have this group of centralized power that's stopping things for their own personal benefit from getting. It's literally what the establishment represents. Yeah. What you were touching on. It is impossible when you're at the top to manage every single person under you would just be a physical. But the something about Callie that makes me think this has a lot more legitimacy is that he's been speaking on these issues for a long time. He's not brand new. He cares about these issues. There's old stories. You know, everyone makes fun of Alex Jones. It's an old Atrazine story. He was talking about the frogs are going gay. The frogs are going gay. There is actual truth to that story. The frogs didn't go gay, gay, but they did have they did have like micro penis development and they did have sex chains all from Atrazine, which is banned in every other country. And the EPA. And all special interest groups went against the doctor that did tons of research on it. There were like thirty six other research papers. They got them all denied. And the only one that got approved was from the company that actually ran their own private investigation into Atrazine. There's so much. And at the expense of who at the expense of our children, at the expense of our health, how long? I don't even like this is just I have no idea how long people might have known that asbestos might be dangerous or smoking was dangerous before it took years to get it out into the 50s. They ran. Camel ran ads in the 50s with a doctor smoking a cigarette that said more vitamins. Yeah, I remember. So that's that is the game. This is not new. People believe that the thing that hurts the most is people believe Trump was going to end this game. And what happened? It got played at a higher level than we've seen for many, many years. So I have two things. And you're right. Just like with in 2016 when he just showed up and he's like, oh, my God, I won that. The Christopher everybody's like, well, he appointed them. How would he know he was brand new? But my question to you. My question to you is, Pat, how do you stop this? What's the solution to stop somebody like a Susie Wiles? If these accusations are true, which I kind of I'm on Cali means aside, how do you stop this from happening? You know, it's interesting. Again, Anthony asked me the question this morning. It says, what leads to men like Nvidia Jensen doing what he does? I said the most powerful way to get somebody to do something stupid is flattery. And Tom and I have had this conversation together many, many times. And my guys, and I do this all the time, because here's how it goes. It'll go with Vinny. Let's just say you're married. A girl comes up to you. You've been married for 18 years, and she'll say, my God, if you were my wife, if you were my husband every morning, I would not let you leave full. You would always leave empty. I would do this. I bet your wife pleases you all day long. Yeah, she's fishing, and you're like, she actually doesn't. And you're now upset. Oh, my goodness. I'm sure your wife is very grateful for how amazing of a man you are. Good looking, makes money, smart, funny, all of that. There's not too many men like you in the world. Yeah. And you now walk away. Who's the first person you call and fight? Hey, I'm full. What happened? What are you doing? So then that leads to a fight that leads to that. So you have to know certain elements of what causes people to fall. Flattery is one of them. Okay. Power is another one. Thinking that you have immunity is another one. Oh, my God, I'm the chief of staff. I can do this. I can do that. Kids. Kids. We had an event this weekend, and one of the guys is there. They want to have their son be the CEO of the company, and they have one son. So the husband and wife, the mom and dad are there, and we're having this conversation. And he comes and asks me, hey, what do you think about me? If I'm such and such, I'm about to be the CEO. What do you suggest? So you really want me to tell you the answer? Yeah. And I waited for the mom and dad to be there. I said, maybe you're not good at being a CEO. I said, I got four kids. I said, if you think for a second, just because you're my kid, you're going to be the CEO of the company. You have one thing. It's not going to be the case. And I tell my kids that all the time. If you're not that good at what you do and somebody else is, they're going to get the job over you. It's not just because you're a kid that you're going to get that job. Right. So that automatically becomes what? Where you put your kids over the job. I have a lot of relatives I love. I would never hire them. This isn't just about you being able to do this, but that's very hard. You're tempted because as a parent, what do you want to do with your kids? You want to make sure you raise the ceiling for them. That becomes their ground. You want to make sure you give them a better opportunity. You want to make sure they do better and succeed and all this stuff. This is never going away. Never, ever is this going away of that. And I remember the first time they said the first chief of staff that Trump had, the doors were always open. And I don't know if you remember how. She asked for the job. Do you remember what Susie said before accepting a job? You don't remember what she said before accepting a job two and a half years ago? You should remember this. She said, I will only take this job if you give me power to know who has access to you or not, because the first chief of staff had too much accessibility to you. I wouldn't make you too accessible. Everybody has to go through me. And apparently Trump said yes. Yeah. Apparently Trump said yes, and that's how she got the job. So Susie's father. You know who Susie's father was? No. Tom, you know who Susie's father was? Summerall. Coach Summerall. She's part of a. Can you type in who Susie Wiles' father was? Pat Summerall? Can you pull up who was Susie Wiles' father? Can you type in father? F-A-T-H-E-R. Yeah, there you go. Pat Summerall? Pat Summerall. Oh, I know who he is. That's her father. Former NFL. Giants. Yeah, Pat Summerall was her father. That's so random. It is. She's been in the limelight. She's been out there. She's probably had somebody that challenged her to say, here's what it is to be mentally tough, emotionally tough, all this other stuff. So I would like to lean towards positive. But this doesn't look good for Susie, obviously. And it's not the first. Pat, if you think about just right now in the administration, you have all that stuff that's happening. Alina Haba with her. I tell you, though, I don't like all that. Kimberly Guilfoyle. This is the Kim Kardashian playbook, though. And I will tell you what the Kim Kardashian playbook is. Anybody. The Kardashians. The Kardashians would go to the media and drop dirt on Kanye, drop dirt on Humphrey, drop dirt on all the husbands. So the media sympathizes with who? With the Kardashians. Oh, my God. Poor girl. How did you deal with that? Yeah. Remember that one interview with Mike Tyson where Robin Givens is sitting there and all of a sudden it's like, what the hell just happened? Barbara Walters. You know, Mike's got a bipolar. He's got bad person. He's got such a bad personality. He's got a bad personality. He's got a bad temper and her mom deals with anger issues. And Mike is sitting there saying, what would you say? But they set him up, of course. So you just got to know there's a little bit of, you know, you got to be. I'm just glad that what Callie said is the fact that Trump wasn't in on some of these things. Even in the 60 minute interview. Remember when the guy brought up Area 51 and aliens and he said, you know, there are some stories that they say that even you as the president's don't know. It's really I'm not aware that matter of fact, that's going to be one of the first phone calls I'm going to make after this meeting. Yeah. So meaning that sometimes presidents don't even know what's going on. even know what's going on let's go to the next story next i want to go to is tom the democrats fighting each other the democrats fighting each other this story came up with rocana now saying he's gonna run for president then you have a story of hakeem jeffrey says They say, yes, we can't do this, but yes, let's go after Hexit. How are you processing all these stories coming out together, Tom, for yourself? Do you think there's infighting going on right now in the Democratic Party? And if yes, why? Let's get ready to rumble. Here's what's going on. So we have a couple things going on here. First of all, you have the old guard in this corner, the legacy guys, the old guys. You have Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Dem senators and people that were DSA that were pushing DSA candidates are saying, hey, we don't we don't we don't want you here anymore. Jeffries came out and indicated that we need to work together on the economy. We need to work together. He understands. I don't agree with a lot of what Kim Jeffries talks about, but he was coming to the political center on the economy and saying, we've got to work together on the economy. And all of a sudden, the DSA people that just seemed to want blood, they were going the other way, going, you're what? And so suddenly there it is. House Democrats inundated with the anti Jeffries calls because they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Day one, we're not going to talk about working together with these people. Day one, we want to be talking about what we're going to do to them. And then he comes up on ABC yesterday on Sunday. yesterday on Sunday. And he said, but on things like Pete Hegsis, I'm a hard yes. And so why did he say that? Well, he said that because he's trying to pull heat off of him. So DSA going up like this, Jeffries and Schumer suddenly getting pushed back to the side. And then in the middle of the smoke, rising from the bright sun of California, Ro Khanna. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm considering a 2028 presidential run. Yeah, really. Is that why you drew the line against Gavin Newsom, also from California, two weeks before the election and said it was an act of betrayal the way Gavin Newsom was supporting Prop 42 when Gavin Newsom originally supported Prop 40 and 730 reservations at the French Laundry. There were so many things that Gavin Newsom was in favor of that now Ro Khanna is like, no. So now Ro Khanna is up there coming up this way. And then you've got the not just the DSA. But the hard left of the DSA led by the tribe. The tribe is back. Talib, AOC and friends are now back. And they're all jockeying for power because the DSA is a stronger voice and has more momentum right now. This is very, very similar to the Tea Party surge that happened before Trump 16 in the Republican Party. There was a big surge of Tea Party, really big surge. And so. They came there and said, no, no, no, we're in charge. And remember, they were threatening the primary Republicans that disagreed with them. Then what did MAGA do? There were MAGA. There were MAGAites that we get together in groups of five and said, Elon, if we don't like what you're doing, we will. We're down here in the south. You're here in the south with your. We will primary you, dude. We will get behind somebody in primary. Do you understand? And so that happened. Guess what? That same games that are happening in politics have now. Come to the Democratic Party. And we are seeing immediately post-election. We are seeing, you know, Schumer, Jeffries getting bonked and getting catching heat. And then we are seeing even beyond that, you're seeing Ro Khanna walking in. So Ro Khanna probably looks and notices that nobody was at 25 percent on the polling. Nobody. And this is the first time. Pat, how long has this been? Like four elections that it's been the first time there hasn't been a Democrat front. As of this time that the leading frontrunner is not at 25 percent. They don't see. Because John Ossoff is like at 20. He's starting again. That's called a power vacuum. And who's in the middle of the power vacuum? Somebody who sucks. Ro Khanna. Yeah. Right. And so here it is. Tom, and you're right. I love that you said that, too. That squad, which, by the way, it's very interesting for the 2028 for the Democratic nomination. You have right now John Ossoff, who's not with them. AOC is at 17 percent with Gavin Newsom. So I think things are. It's going to change. But I just sent. You see where John Ossoff was over the weekend? I think he almost breached 30 percent on Koushi and Pauly. I'm betting on him today with Elon. But I'm going to do a future. This is. Look at this. So can you do me a favor? Put a thousand. I'm right. He almost has breached 30. But he's above 20 shares on here. Now we got to see the polling come out. Put a thousand. I'm doing this today. A thousand. What is it? Max payout. That's it. For him to be. No, no. Not the nominee. You bet. Two cents. You trade 273 to make a thousand. To make a thousand. That's good. That's a 5X return. And then can you play the clip for her? Do me a favor. Do the same thing with AOC. I'll go to AOC. AOC will be a 5 or 6X. Put a thousand. One for. So let me tell you what I think is going to be happening. You ready? I'm going to give you a complete different advice. Remember. Put on both. Whatever you trade here on Koushi, you don't have to keep till the very end. Because it's going to change. Like a stock. Right now, I would actually do the opposite. What would you do? I would put. I would trade $10,000 on AOC. Okay. The moment AOC gets to 30%, then I'm going to trade it and move on with it. That's what I would be doing. Because what do we not know about Ossoff yet? Ossoff hasn't been that public. The moment he gets too public, what do we love? All the dirt. All the dirt. But you know the dirt with AOC. You know about. So she's already been. You know everything. You know a little bit too much on Ossoff. Yeah, she's been vetted. So the edge that Newsom has is all his dirt is out there. So Newsom's edge is the fact that his reputation is out. We know nothing. It's like you date a new girl, and you know everything bad about your ex, and you're like, oh, my God, this new girl is so sweet. She likes me. She's so amazing. Six months. She's a freaking psycho. You know, she is nuts. She hit me with a baseball bat last night. Do you know she poisoned your college boyfriend? All the ex-boyfriends have a website. She's got a bad temper. So all I'm saying is if you're going to trade Ossoff, just be aware his dirt isn't public yet. The other two are. By the way, what is the likelihood of Gavin Newsom's going to hit 20 points? What is the likelihood that Gavin Newsom's 12% will be at 20 points? So that's how I would trade. I would trade Newsom and AOC. Yeah, you're not trading on a winner. Let him go up to 20, drop it. That's how traders think. Ossoff is right now a bad buy. You're actually – I'm happy you said that. He's a bad buy because everybody already knows. Nobody knows anything about Ossoff. All of a sudden, you find out a story. You know, he has six goals. Get a midget or a midget. He's a fan of the Clippers. You're going to find out some real stuff about him. I think he's going to climb in the short term. I think they're trying to give a frontrunner at least now some attention. And then they'll die out. I think he'll get to 35. Okay, so me and you after this, we're going to go for AOC. Fine. I don't want to cut you off. Can you – because, Connor, can you play the clip of Ro Khanna, Pat? You guys see Peter Doocy asked Ro Khanna because he just went up by the – I cut it in half. He went on a tangent about who he's going to go after and all these people. And this is actually pretty good what Doocy asked him. Go ahead. The American people won. Something else that you were talking about. I saw a quote in Time Magazine of yours that – and in the context of impeaching Donald Trump next. You said, The base will also demand it. How does impeaching Donald Trump lower gas prices? Watch, watch, watch. Well, it will prevent him from continuing this war. The whole reason that we have high gas prices – How does it prevent him from continuing the war, though? He's been impeached twice. Twice. And he is the president right now. It's nothing – it doesn't work. I'm not sure how either of the first two impeachments stopped him from carrying out a war. So basically, long story short, I'm hoping, which I think, Pat, they cannot get out of their ways. This is what they're going to do is they're going to go all in. They're not – they're going to have – They will. They're already saying it. Yeah, you really know. But, buddy, and they should be listening to some of those voices. They're like, hey, listen, guys, we have a mandate. Let's just show them that. But they cannot get out of their own way, bro. So, guys, what were you going to do? No, they won. Let me read this to you. They won 100. I'm going to read a super chat, OK, which we should get better at doing. But here's one. From BlackHero911. Great name. OK. He said, When a president in their final eligible term suffers a multi-level midterm blowout, losing control of the House, the Senate, and multiple gubernatorial races, their party has gone on to lose the presidency in the next election 100% of the time. Now, whether that prompted based on the Kalshi conversation, because this guy's a traitor, I don't know. But you have to follow the data, OK? You have to follow the data on what's going on. So, if the data is right, guys, AOC. Oh, my God. I called it, I called it, like, what, six months ago? Well, he's years. You know when I said AOC? Oh, he's years. Two years? I called it two years ago. OK. I was here. I was there. And by the way, and I wish we go back to that podcast on how everybody reacted to it when they're like, you're out of your flipping mind. I said, OK, just wait for it. And by the way, if the economy, you know what AOC wants to become the president? She needs one thing. Let me tell you what she needs. It's very simple, guys. She needs one thing. She needs the Dow to hit 40%. She needs the rates to stay high. She needs the war to continue. Right. She needs another crime like a George Floyd to happen in May, June of 2028. She needs Trump to go out there and give the pardons to all his family members. She needs Trump to self-pardon himself. She needs all of that stuff. And by the way, the question was brought up yesterday on 60 Minutes. She needs him. Are you going to use the power of pardons? He says, of course I am. He says, are you going to pardon some of your friends, some of yourself? He says, yeah, maybe. I haven't thought about it for a while. I haven't thought about it for myself. He says, but we're going to have to pardon a lot of people because I know they're going to come after him. And he says, anybody that knows me, they're going to come after you. He says, will you pardon me? He says, maybe even you. They'll come after you. That's amazing. Because he knows him. It is very ideological shit. AOC, folks. I'm telling you. By the way, what this message should do to you is the following. You know why, if you're listening, some of you guys get pissed off with me when I say that. Let me tell you, you ought to have the pride of wanting to break this 100%. Like, you know how he says, everybody that's gone through this 100% of the time, what's happened? That party's won, right? So it ought to create so much fear, anxiety, stress for you that you go out there door knocking and help the next candidates come up. Because guess what? They won this one. And you may have AOC as your president. You're going to have to listen to her for four to eight years. And you don't think the socialistic idea. You don't think the wealth tax will be nationwide. You don't think progressive tax will be on steroids going up. Capital gains will go to levels we've never seen before. But my biggest concern is the packing of the courts. Ro Khanna will be running on that on a national level. Of course he will be. Yeah, but he believes in that. Here's my question. How many of you actually, so this is how power is handed over to extremists. You want change so bad. You want to feel better so badly that you're just willing to do anything. You're willing to vote in something far more extreme so long as it's not what you've been voting for. And it's, by the way, the left has a big problem right now. If you're a centrist leftist, that party is gone. They are taking, they're getting. like, destroyed by this extremist ideology that's openly calling for their destruction. So the same way they've attacked the right, this is exactly the communist playbook. They go after the people who helped them gain power. Those are the first ones who get hung. So as much as they're calling for destruction of the right, they're also going to destroy the left in the process. They're going to try and create a situation where there's no more future real democracies, just the illusion of democracy, and we will have handed over our power. The thing with the 100%, there's never really been quite a situation like this in any point in American history where you've had a party that openly calls for this level of fundamental change to how our country operates, including, like I said, packing the courts, has a history of the FISA abuse, wants to give millions and millions of illegal immigrants amnesty, and all the things they're pushing for. That changes the foundation of our country on a very deep level. So people better, better wake up. I've been screaming about this. But I agree with you 100%, and with what Pat is saying, $1,000 right now, just on AIDA, AOC, will give you $6,700. Let's get rich on the end of America. You'll win if she, $6,730. But I wouldn't wait till the end. I would trade and I would sell. When it goes to double? I would sell when it doubles. I'm doing it too. That's how traders are thinking. I think Newsom and AOC are both too low, and I think Ossoff is expensive right now. I really do. I think Ossoff, 26%, is way too expensive. He's not battle-tested yet. I think Newsom, 11 points, will hit 25 points, and you'll trade. I think AOC is actually undervalued right now. Can I ask you a question? Do you think there's any chance that an establishment Democrat wins? Can you go on the list like a Josh Shapiro? Who's an established Democrat? Kamala has a high chance. By the way, 6% for Kamala is super low. 6% for Kamala is super low. She's been drinking and getting up. Remember after the first debate, when she called out Biden, she bumped up to 19% very quickly when she said, I remember the buses, Joe. I remember what you did. And I was one of them. Boom. She skyrocketed. I'm right here. That was her one moment. I'm right here. Yeah. So she's been, you know, chomping on the opportunity to get back in there, and people are still talking about that she could be in there. So anyways, as traders, this is a full-time job. There's a reason why the highest-paid person on CalSheet this year made $100 million, and he's in his 20s just trading. He's in his 20s. Let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is a story about a guy that nobody is paying attention to. Maybe they are, and one by one by one, he's calling out everybody. He's a governor whose state, let me just tell you what his state just did. You ready? His state just did something that they say, this is it. This is the greatest state in America. This is a story that says, Florida approves property tax relief. Why, insiders, ready? Say the Sunshine State just made itself, ready, the key word, unbeatable. Unbeatable. Wait, what are you talking? Who's the governor of that state? What's the guy's name? Ronnie, Ronnie, Ron, Ron DeSantis. Oh, okay. Who is the only guy that everybody in his state won because of a great job that he did in Florida. Now watch this. I'm going to tell you three, four things that Ron DeSantis has done already since the midterms to show everybody, and he's knocking some people out to not even want to compete against him. That's not what he's trying to do. I like his style. Even though a lot of Ron DeSantis people get upset with me, and they say, oh, stop. Weren't you the one that ended his campaign in 2024? Maybe, because, right? Right after he was on the podcast, I tried to buy him some nice Ferragamo shoes. He got upset at me. I have good taste. I like Ferragamo, and it was an opportunity for him to say yes. He flipped out. He ran out. That was because that was Trump's season to run, and my challenge with him was, you should have called Trump, but that doesn't mean, if you listen to me, that I didn't see him as a contender in 2028. All I said was, 24 is not your time, and all the DeSantis people, the sensitive people, I hope you don't get sensitive this next time because you're going to need a lot of people's help. On Election Day Tuesday, a majority of Florida voters approved a sweeping property tax cut for homeowners passed by 62% of voters, Vinny. Amendment 3 expands the homestead exemption on primary residences from $50,000 to $150,000 in 2027, $250,000 in 2028. This is ridiculous. This change applies to non-school property tax, effectively shielding up to a quarter million dollars of homes assessed value. School property tax remains in place under the amendment. People who are not schooled and not in Florida residence by December 31st, 2026, must wait until their fifth year of homestead eligibility to receive the expanded exemption. You know what this means? If you're planning on moving to Florida, you better move down here in the next two months. That's what he's trying to say to you, okay? You better get your ass down to Florida now or else you got to wait five years. Andres Acion, broker-owner of Miami Real Estate Group, argued that true victory belongs to retirees of fixed income, noting that for 70- and 80-year-old homeowners whose properties are grandfathered in the old, untaxed values, slashing their tax bills by 25 any, slashing the tax bills by 25, 30, or 50%. That's massive impact. Opponents warn the tax cut could force local governments to cut back on police, fire, and emergency services with the Florida Police Institute estimating that local governments could eventually lose approximately $12 billion. That's fear porn, but guess what? It's a plan. So here's where I'm going. Let me tell you. Stories. Ron DeSantis calls that be vague. Immediately. He didn't even hesitate. But guess what? Vivek was on stage with them when they were debating. So one by one by one, he's eliminating people. You got to meet voters where they are. Ron DeSantis slammed Vivek's disastrous Ohio governor campaign. He's getting ahead of it. I'm just trying to prep you guys what he's doing. That's one. Number two is the Florida story I just told you with taxes. Three, Ron DeSantis calls out Republicans over crony capitalism. What? Yeah, he's calling them out over crony capitalism. You know who he's talking to? Some of the people who maybe are Republicans, Republicans and independents who don't like what some of these guys did to make money. He called out Republicans who pushed crony capitalism policy during an interview on Sage Steel podcast. DeSantis said one reason screaming socialisms didn't work in the midterm elections was because young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. But the question is for the kind of the broader electorate who aren't partisan is just screaming socialism going to work? Obviously, it didn't work in this election. And why? He said part of the reason is the education. And I think the reason is young people have a very positive view of socialism. Compared to capitalism. And the question is, why is that? Some of it's the education in our universities or whatever. But I think a big part of that is what they're comparing is not free enterprise to socialism. What they're comparing is how government gets involved in business and you have crony capitalism. So the best kind of indirect supporters of socialism are some of these corporatist Republicans who propagate. These crony policies because the average person seeing that and say, wait a minute, you're trying to bend the government to funnel benefits to this corporation or that that industry or this. What about having a competitive market? If you have a competitive market and you truly have free enterprise, that's going to benefit small businesses. It's going to benefit individuals. You are going to see the standard of living rise. The problem is these young people really aren't seeing that they're seeing just a handful of companies that have an outsized influence on our economy. And on our society. And they see government policy. For example, the Republicans in Washington wanted to do a 10-year effective amnesty for big tech where states and locals wouldn't be able to provide any type of regulatory oversight over artificial intelligence. And I'm thinking to myself, what other industry gets this? These hyperscale data centers that have become. You can pause right now. By the way, who's he talking to? Where this guy's going. By the way, I love the strategy. I love the strategy of where he's going. And I'm going to tell you exactly where he's going to. He is paying attention to something called numbers. You know some people say they're numbers people. I'm a numbers guy or all this stuff. Here's what he's following. I'm going to read this story to you if I can find it. Gen Z dumps Republicans and asks you a story. What? Who's he talking to right now? He's realizing if you want to win, who's help do you need? You need the youth. And I'm going to tell you a story here with a part where he screwed up. Okay? A part where he screwed up. I'll read this to you. Young voters swung so hard toward Democrats on Tuesday that it raises doubts about whether Republicans can hold any lasting coalition under 30. Trump's success with Gen Z, especially young men, had fueled talk of a generational shift to the right. An estimated 66% of voters age 18 to 29 back Democratic House candidates against 31% for Republicans. According to Tufts University, great school. This is a 35 point Democratic edge up from 14 points in 2024 support among men under 30 rose from 51 to 59% among young women, 61 to 70% in Texas, Vinnie in Texas, 76% of under 30 voters back Democratic Senate candidates, Jim Salarico. Did you know what I just said? 76% under 30 in Texas. We're not talking Illinois. We're not talking Michigan. We're talking Texas. 73%. - Yeah. Back Democratic governor candidate Gina Hinojosa, butchered that one. In Georgia, 70% back Democratic Keisha Lance Bottoms for governor. Gen Z voters are proving that they have the power not just to decide races, but to be the decisive factor in flipping both chambers of Congress, said Santiago Mayer. Young voters have an estimated 11% of Tuesday's electoral against 12% in 2022, and different polling methods complicate exact comparisons. But this is where I'm going. He knows he's going to go after crony capitalism. He's got the pulse of what young kids are upset with. He knows what's going to happen to Gen Z between now and 2028. What's going to happen? As you age, you vote more. So two years from now, those guys are going to vote even more because they're more involved. Their career's on it. Their finance is on it. But there's one thing that Ron and his team has to be thinking about. You know what it is? In 2024, I want to say, or 23, Charlie Kirk invited DeSantis to come to AmFest. And on the podcast, I asked Charlie, why didn't DeSantis show up? He says, I don't know, but we invited him. The governor was invited. He didn't go. Why does that matter? DeSantis, if he's going to really play ball, he has to talk to the young voters. The younger generation. Not just give a speech like this, which is great. He's following data. He's doing the right thing. But he needs to go out there and get in front of them. So building coalitions. I don't know. When we had Ben Shapiro on the podcast, I don't know if you realize one of the things he finally admitted to, which was very impressive. I said, what do you think the difference between you and Charlie is? Because I feel like you come, you give the message, you leave. He says, yeah, that's definitely right. I'm not good at building coalitions. Maybe I should get better at building coalitions. And Ben is a DeSantis guy. Yes. Charlie was a Trump person at that time. He was open, but Charlie was a Trump guy. So if DeSantis truly wants to play ball in 2028 of running for president, what coalitions are you guys creating behind closed doors? Because you need to create better coalitions. And whatever those guys, there's about 50 of them that I have on my list. But you got to find a way which one of them will invite you, which one of them will accept you, and which one of them you got to make the phone call to say, hey, what do we got to do? Can you pull up AmFest speakers? Which is next month. Who are the speakers at AmFest this year? Can you pull up the speakers? Go to AmFest 2026. I just want to know who the speakers are. Go a little bit lower. This is free promotion for them. J.D., okay? J.D., Erica Kirk, Don Jr., Caroline Leavitt, Jesse Waters, Franklin Graham. Try to find Ron DeSantis there. Is he there? He's not there. Okay? Is Marco Rubio there? Go a little bit higher. Rubio's not there. So what this tells me, Vinny, is this coalition of TPUSA, who has under control? J.D. Vance. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just letting you know. And so DeSantis has to find a way to get in front of these types of audiences because J.D. is whose person? By the way, Tucker's not there. I'm not there. A lot of people ask, why did you turn down AmFest? I never got the invitation. Every year, Charlie would text me, Pat, are we back on? Pat, are we back on? Pat, are we back on? What do you need? What do you need? Every year. Didn't get a call from them at all this year. Not saying anything. I know. But didn't get a call at all from those guys. And it was a very open relationship. Charlie was phenomenal at building coalitions. I don't know if Erica is. Quite frankly, I don't know her like that. Maybe she is. Maybe she's not. But the other part of what DeSantis, this is a very, very, very important group for him to get in front of. How he does that, I don't know. I'm sure his team is trying. 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But this time around, Donald's won because of DeSantis, because how much of a phenomenal job they did in the state. Of Florida. So I like that he's playing offense. I just I'm speaking to you and your team. Build better coalitions. This is all I'm saying. Yeah, this is him when he won. Look, it's one point five. Look at this. I told you he won by one and a half million votes. He almost touched. Yeah, but he won by one and a half million votes. And it went from one and a half million votes by only one hundred thousand votes. If we do plus minus score, Byron Donald's brought it down by one point four million. That's that is what I'm saying to you. Yes, that's what I'm saying to you. And Donald's Donald's is it now he's the state of Florida's governor. Donald's has to build coalitions to make sure he doesn't lose the next time become a one term governor. Well, that's the real thing that we're talking about. So because you know what, Donald? Yeah, I want to meet her saying they're saying we almost had him. Yeah, I know. So, Tom, your thoughts about DeSantis. Matter of fact, I'll come to you. Your thoughts about DeSantis and his moves. What do you think? I like it, Pat. But just looking at the module, I'm just coming as an objective viewer. I saw that lineup with J.D. Hanson, everybody are the young people going to like I don't. There's is there anybody on there that's exciting for you? Brandon Gill for that. OK, that's the number one. Let's go through it. Brandon Gill excited. Michael Knowles, exciting. Caroline Levin, Michael Knowles, exciting or Michael Knowles. Just very centered Christian. Is he appealing to the young because, Pat, you know, David Sachs came out and he did the podcast where he said Republicans lost the alternative media world. Tatum has a big following. Brandon Gill, he's talking young, he's talking about. Paulina Luna, I would say, yes. OK, but Riley Gaines, I would say, yes, yes. Nick Shirley, one hundred percent. Yeah, Nick Shirley is if we've spent time with John Dole, he's good. But I want I want to be like not a Charlie Kirk, a Rogan, a Charlie. There's no one by Theo Vaughn, Megyn Kelly. You need the people that brought you both. We like we lost. That was all alternative media was podcasters. And we've we've lost it. By the way, by the way, I love what they're doing because they're trying. Charlie Kirk, obviously, Pat, you've said it. We know this one of one irreplaceable. But how is Ron DeSantis, which, mind you, he's to me, he's the front runner. I think he's going to be the nominee, the young voters. Because what did the left do, Ilan? What did the left do? But look at the names that David Sachs mentioned. Tucker, Theo, Megyn, one hundred percent anti what anti-Israel. Stop this and the war. Where's Ron DeSantis at this point? Because you guys know what the left is going to do. Is he pro-Israel or is he? What is Ron DeSantis's stance? I honestly don't have a pro-Israel. Is he pro-Israel? Yeah, but they're going to use. I'm just I'm just saying. And he's my guy because I love what he did here. And I think he's right now going to be the guy they're going to use that. You know, it's coming. and they're going to use it against him. You know that's going to come. Yeah, but Trump just ended funding to Israel. I mean, there's going to be a natural. Israel, in its own admission, wants to have more authority over its own country. So I think there's going to naturally be, by 2028, a bit of a distancing just for the benefit of. Six of our nation. My biggest fear is that we give away the election because of Israel. I could not understand that. If it means we have to not talk to them for six years. Ignore them for two years! I don't care what it is at this point. Don't talk to them for two years. I don't know how this became a central issue. You have DSA Democrats calling for Nuremberg trials. I don't know why you're surprised. Do me a favor. Can you pull up. Nuremberg trials, guys. That's what's being called for, not Israel. An old friend of mine who is a nine-degree black belt, Morteza Alborzi, sent this to me early this morning. Can you pull out what I just sent you? This is what I want you to watch. And by the way, if this doesn't do anything to you, forget about it. Move on. But this is what's going on. Expansion is expansion. And you've got to give credit behind closers of what's going on. If you guys got it, can you just pull it up? I sent you this one picture. Just check your text. I sent it to you right there. Zoom in a little bit. All right, this is from 1950 to 2026. Look at the number of mosques in Europe in 1950. Top left. And look at the number of mosques now in Europe on the top right. Look at U.S., bottom left. Fifteen mosques in 1950. Today in America, 3,150 mosques in America and growing. And growing. So you're worried about Israel? Okay, go ahead and see what happens in 20 years and 30 years and 40 years and 50 years. So for some of you guys that don't know how to tell this story and you're like so worried about walking on eggshells, to me, my relationship with any of this stuff, as you're going through it, I think DeSantis knows how to tell this story the right way. I think he has moral authority. I think he has fight. I think he's going to need to build a coalition. Like, you are not going to win the election without winning a coalition. What do we learn from different candidates? Some candidates, they're the smartest guys in the room, but they make you feel like a moron. And the average voter is not going to vote for those guys. You have to be able to deliver your message and land it in a way that the other guy doesn't feel like he's an idiot. Number two, likability score matters. Number three, coalition matters. Number four, the right campaign. When he asked Trump, he says, how would you like to be remembered 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now? How would you like your legacy to be remembered? You know what Trump said? I want to be remembered. As the president that made America great again. And the guy said, I guess I set myself up for that one. He says, yes, I want to make America great again. Simple slogan, you know, being able to invite more people in without, you know, not being uncomfortable losing a couple parties that are not going to be on your side no matter what you do. I just think DeSantis got a shot. He's got a shot, but he's got a lot of work. He's a little bit, he sometimes flirts with being in the camp of, I don't need your help. I got it. I don't need your help. I can do this without you. And I think the opposite is the truth. You need help. Absolutely. You need help. The part with Trump that's so flipping unique is dude, Marco Rubio was him and, and then he's part of Ted Cruz. Boom. Hey, Romney was seen going to the White House to meet with him. This guy will sit with anybody and everybody. He built coalitions. So I don't know if DeSantis naturally, it's in his personality to do that. So just really quick, as you showed the mosque, this is 255 Muslim elected officials across only 26 US states. But guys, El-Said who hated money in politics, PACs in politics just launched the Habibi PAC. So we're ready to go. The Habibi PAC in Michigan is Arab America now. To round up on DeSantis and PAC and go to the next story is, remember where I was. The thing about having a podcast, people can go look at what you said. And at the beginning of 2024, I thought that DeSantis, and this was my mind. I was doing logical checkbox analysis before the campaigning start. My logical checkbox analysis was, wow, I think he's honestly the best governor in America on the economy, on affordability at the time. Now he's got to handle the insurance crisis in Florida. And he also has to handle the housing crisis. But now we're talking 2026. We're going to go back here in 2023, rolling into the primaries of 2024. And I had. Checkbox and Pat reminds me of it. It's like, hey, you know, why were you there? I thought he reacted. The hurricanes. Well, this was all checkbox. But then he gets the primary going and I'm like, who's in your ear? You're not campaigning. That's what I said. You can't just hold up your checkbox and you're my favorite governor of all time. I have in all of my 60 years, I've never lived in a state where I've had a more favorite governor than you. And I think that you got things done and you were there, but you can't hold. You can't hold up a checklist of smart policy and disaster response decisions and everything that you did on COVID. You were the right choice during COVID when everybody was freaking out. And you said, I thought sunlight was supposed to help that. We have a few beaches in Florida. Sit in the sunlight and let the UV rays attack whatever germs are hovering around you. He was right. And so then when the campaigning started and then we had him on the podcast, I went to Trump because you know what I saw? I saw the campaigner. And I saw people coming back and I'm like, wow, this is where I'm at. So I didn't, I didn't turn my back on him. I was disappointed, but I got behind the guy that won the campaign. Yeah, it's, it's a couple of bad moments. This is something, this is something, Tom, where, you know, you need to hold the feet of the candidate. What's the fire? Yeah, you got to do it. And it's simple. You know, when I told Byron Donald, say, go up there and debate. You think he would have lost by one and a half million, 1.4? He won, but the plus minus. He lost 1.4 million. He barely won because he didn't want to go talk to those guys and get in front of the audience. No, you got it. By the way, do you know what's the funniest thing about election night? Do you know what's the craziest thing about election night? Do you know election night? We invited a lot of people. Okay. And this is, this is the game stuff that I'm not a fan of. Andrew Wilson's wife comes out and says, the moment Andrew started talking about Israel, they stopped him. Right. Are you like serious when you say stuff like this? This is the dumb comments that people, I was respectful to him and his wife. Do you know how many people wanted to come on the podcast on Monday before Tuesday night? Out of all the people that were on the panel, there's only one person we put on the podcast Monday. And it was Andrew Wilson. Because I think he's talented, capable, and I want to hear him talk. And you know, you know when they call me and said, hey, are you willing to come out and fly out and do the interview with Candace and host a debate? Yes. And they said, we'll pay for it. You know how much money I asked for him? Zero. This is the bullshit stuff that they do behind closed doors that drives me insane. It's like, oh my God, there's this. You think James Fishback is pro-Israel? Mr. Andrew Wilson's wife? I was respectful to you? Do you think James Fishback is pro-Israel? Do you think that socialist philosophist that I have there that I kept on the stage the longest is pro-Israel? No. Who else do we have there? By the way, hey, here's another fun one for you, which I'm not a fan of. Randy Fine got an invitation. Yep. Do you know Randy shows up and he sees James Fishback on stage? You know what he says? I'm not doing it. Hell no, I'm out of here. Runs out. I'm left. I'm not a fan of that. So guess what? Fine will never be invited back on the podcast. Never. You don't do some. Like that. You're afraid of something like that. I'm not a fan of these games. I don't play any of these games with you guys. I'm in it because I support simple, basic, conservative values. America first. Raising family in a safe space. I don't have to worry about you manipulating my kids with LGBTQ bullshit stuff. They want to do that after 18. That's on their mind. You don't have to get in there and be involved. Low taxes allow people that are creating jobs to put the money in their pockets. Low capital gains. Leave alone with the, what do you call it? The inheritance tax. Because some people are raped. The Bible tells you. Leave something for your kids. People are doing this and you want to tax it 100%. Who the hell are you? And in military, we need to be protected. All the other stuff is secondary. It's that simple. Security, the border, all that stuff is very simple for me that a lot of people are on that page. But when you start playing these games, when you start playing. By the way, James O'Keefe got 30 seconds on stage. Yeah. 30 seconds. You know what's the first thing James O'Keefe did afterwards? He went up on there and he tweeted and he says, Thank you so much for Patrick for invitation. Grateful. James O'Keefe is awesome. Are you kidding? Like, you think you're going above and beyond for a guy like Andrew Wilson? And you're like, hey, chirping, chirping, chirping. I gave you two and a half hours on a podcast the day before. This is the kind of shit that low identity people that act like this, that you sit there and say, what the hell was this all about? What the hell was this all about? No. We're going to be in this game for a long term. And we have a certain position that we have. And we'd love to find a way to talk to everybody. I don't care if you're left Pete Buttigieg and you and I don't agree on 80% of things. I want to talk to you. I don't care if you're West. I don't care if you're a, what do you call it, a Nick Fuentes. I don't care if you're the guy from, what was that one group that we brought? Thomas Russo, whatever his name was. I want to talk to everybody as long as, and my rule is very simple. I had a call with one of the guys who came to our podcast. I had him on a couple times. But I called him to the office one day. He knows who he is. I won't mention his name. He came to the office. I sat him and I said, you know how ridiculous of a communicator you are? I said, you are so talented. Here's your problem. You keep using this N-word. You keep using that word. You keep using this word. And you're tightening your audience. I can't have you on if you keep doing that. Well, I'm a, no, no, no. I don't. Again, I have very basic stuff. And even Hasan Piker, he was invited to be on with Nick Fuentes. Hasan Piker turned it down. I wonder why. So guess what? You want to come down, talk to your equal, both of you young, both of you guys have influence. Are you willing to do that? You have the invitation. Come on down, have the conversation. Let's see what's happening. Both of them have a big influence on the right. Nick Fuentes had the biggest livestream on the left. hassan piker may have had the biggest one yeah on the left so you both of them have influence so but the part for me is conversation conversation conversation i don't play any of these bullshit games that some of you guys play it's not everybody it's a small community so my challenge to ron desantis is go talk to people and build coalitions don't like what randy find it there's a reason why people look at that and what do they say you know you get you accepted my invitation Now you want me to control who I'm inviting? You don't get to make that decision. By the way, I also don't have to keep you, meaning you can leave if you want to. But I get to tell the story that you left the moment you saw Fishback. You left the moment you saw Fishback. Okay, great. The market needs to know. You're afraid of talking to people. Why? Why? We gave you the number one live stream for podcasters on the center right. Are you going to be on C-SPAN? Give any argument. Do not be afraid of giving your argument. We have the best argument, but you need the backbone. And the hope of what's going to happen with the conservative movement, God's on our side. Ideas are on our side. Numbers are on our side. Facts are on our side. Raising kids that become net positive to society who contribute on our side. Raising people that are willing to wear the uniform, go proudly, represent their country is on our side. You have the best argument. Double down with conviction. And to everybody else out there, whether it's to Andrews or some of these other guys, that I think Andrews is a very big talent. I think Candace is a talent. And I may not agree with some of the things Candace does sometimes, but I think she's a talent. I think TPUSA, the husband, created an incredible legacy. You better continue the coalition building. You know who you are. If you don't, that was Charlie's strength. He built coalitions. 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