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Nobody Asked pt.2

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Nobody Asked pt.2

The podcast episode features a deep discussion on emotional expression, particularly among men, and how societal and cultural norms—especially in Christian communities—have historically discouraged vulnerability. Hosts Olivia and Nadia share personal experiences of emotional suppression, growth, and healing. They explore how comparison culture on social media fuels insecurity, leading to unhealthy behaviors like disordered eating or emotional stagnation. A key theme is the harmful practice of "negging," where subtle emotional manipulation undermines self-worth and keeps individuals in toxic relationships. Both hosts reflect on their past relationships, where fear, low self-esteem, and a desire for validation led them to stay in unhealthy dynamics. They emphasize that recognizing emotional red flags, seeking support, and learning from past experiences are essential for building healthier connections. The conversation also touches on spiritual insights, drawing from Jesus’ humanity to affirm that emotional struggle is normal and part of a deeper, shared human experience. Ultimately, the episode encourages listeners to embrace emotional authenticity, challenge societal expectations, and prioritize self-love and mental well-being in relationships.

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Welcome back to Afterclass everybody today. We are here with Madagascar B-Room and Toad. Today we are doing our part 2 episode of Nobody Asked. We are here today with two of our very great friends. Also podcast hosts. What is your podcast? The collab. And what is your name? I'm nod. And I'm live. Yeah. So nice to have you guys here. All right. So since it's your first time here on Afterclass. Oh wow. Tell us about it. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah. So we're not a live. We have a podcast called The Collab. I'm a senior interdisciplinary studies major which is living with a study everything. And I'm a minor marketing. I play in the band. I sing and women's chorus, worship choir and chamber choir. I play the clarinet. Alien. I'm on S/S student activities board. What don't I do? Literally you name it. I'll probably do it except for a sport which is kind of sad because I really would love to do it one. Do you read your Bible? I do read my Bible. I do read my Bible. I do read my Bible. It looks like you got everything covered. Yeah. I mean I would want to play a sport but okay. Well thank you Nadia for coming on the podcast. Olivia, tell us about yourself. I'm a junior. I am a music education major. So yeah I want to teach elementary music one day. I do literally every single activity she said. I'm in band and choir. I play the flute. And I want to die two years S/O/S. I'm on tower podcast obviously. Oh I'm also in tower web. I forgot about that. I'm on tower Instagram. I run the podcast Instagram. I think that's all I do. Speaking of instruments I play the baritone, the snare drums, the tuba, the trumpet. I probably would love you because I lost my touch whenever I decided to be an athlete. I want to learn how to play seven nation army. We're going to play that at the basketball game. If you actually started to give you the sheet music and come in and practice with us, she would play you. There's got her name is Mr. Key. Come join us. How does Mr. Key for example be 67? 60 or 60. He like plays with us. He plays with our concerts and stuff. I'm a star key. You know her. She's a professor here. She plays with us and her husband plays with us. I love that. Sounds like we got a very musically gifted school. If you were going to say what instrument would you think that President Langley played? What would you say he played? This is not like he would play guitar. No. Like what band instrument? I could see him being a big quads guy. I think he could do a little bit of trumpet. No jazz. I think brass. I think that's why I think that's what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Yeah, I think you were lucky to get the jacksie. I could see him playing like the saxophone. I'm like, like, you were reaching in our podcast. Um, instrument. The instrument would you play? Oh, you make a best look on look on. Um, I will serve power, power on the podcast to see President Langley's answer, because I'm sure the people want to know. I would want to know what is. All right, we got to get into the meat and we're going to go straight into the potatoes, the mean potatoes. And I'm so happy that y'all are here. Because our first point is why do guys have such a hard time talking about their feelings? Um, I know that he has strong feelings about it. Yeah, not everybody told me about this question. Not you're really excitedly and said, yes, I think that sometimes guys are put up this facade like they're big and they're tough and they're like, manly and like crying is like not manly. And me, unfortunately, I think it's very, I was going to say like attractive because that also sounds a little weird. When a man shows his emotions, like it shows that like he has an emotional side of that. He's in tune with the emotions. And then he doesn't just walk around like, I think part of it also stems from especially like in a Christian setting. Men are supposed to be whole spiritual leaders and that doesn't mean I don't think it means that you can't just like not have any emotion. I mean, Jesus wept. Right. And so I was thinking about that. Yeah, I was so weird. So I think that's part of it. They think they have to be manly. And also it gets like growing up like when guys grow up, like sometimes their parents are like, you're like, be a man like don't act like a little girl. That's what I was going to say. Yes, I think that sometimes being emotional is considered a woman thing. And it's considered to be a bad thing. And it's not a bad thing to be emotional, okay? Because I'm a very emotional person. I love that for you. We're going to talk about me in Tade's experience and I've grown up as you mentioned. Because I've been in Tade's very in tune with other emotions. So I feel like what we're about to talk about our experiences are very much like how well the opposite of what you all said about growing up men are like, don't be girl, we don't. Yeah, so we're going to talk about taking one. Okay, let's go. All right. So me personally, I am I am very in touch with my emotions like I wouldn't say that like I let them control me, but like I know when to be sad, I know how to express what I'm feeling. I know how to basically just like let it eat, like to let it all out, but at the same time, like my parents, like, I don't I feel like people are scared of me sometimes. I feel like I have like, okay, so like, for instance, you know, we never met me, never met me. I feel like I give like this intimidating like presence, I guess, because you're a big guy. You know, you and like, I'm not going to talk about the first time we met, but if I hadn't met you in the way that I met you, then I can't because he walked the door and he like started talking about like, he can't be my friend one day. No, I don't think that. I think you're I can definitely tell it. Like the, like, the sound of play looks like a central role. It looks like a kill you. It looks like you is a central role. We should decide what they're under one. Tell us about your feelings. Yeah, so my dad would go up. Yeah, I can't say him. So he was never at home. And kind of a tough childhood was me and my brother. He's four years apart where he's four years older than me. So many of us are always on different times of life. And so like, never really. Yeah, I mean, we were brothers. We loved each other. We remember like friends. And so me and Taylor as you know, we were really tight. And then I love Taylor. And then my mom, obviously, she taught at the school. So, you know, I was always there with her. So it was basically raised by my mom and sister. And it was, you know, learned everything about that. But also, you know, was very introduced at a young age about crying, talking about my feelings, expressing my feelings and a good manner. And of course, I was a kid. Sometimes I would have taken tantrums. But I feel like, you know, growing up in that, it was very much easier when I was older. Like now, you know, I can go to Taylor and just like cry about, you know, didn't get a scholarship or didn't get a job. You know, I'm not realistic with crying about that because I'm not crying about a lot of things. But if something really got happened, you know, I would, you know, find comfort in that. So it's very much different. We were just talking and it's almost like that. Oh, what's the word? Oh, the feminine side, you know. And so. I feel like everyone should, no matter guy or girl, you should have that kind of side where you will cry. Well, and it also ties into society today, for some reason, that I'm better than you aspect and guys, it is a big play in things. I think it's a big thing, I'm girls, too. Well, it sucks, it's weird saying this, because I'm only 21, but you look at these younger generations, literally they're less than three years younger or more. Sorry, I know you're young, but he's just a baby. He's a child. But no, like you see it all about like, I don't want to word this. I guess being like the next trend, or like, and don't get me wrong, like I love Sam sealant, I love Jay Cutler, this, that and the other. But these are all bodybuilders, shrink guys, and don't get me wrong, I love the gym, I love people being in the gym. But it's like, these children are taking that, and they're like, okay, I'm going to be the next biggest influencer. And then you have people like, the trend twins, they do trend, it's the steroid, form of performance and answer your blah blah blah blah, but like they watch these guys, and they do it the wrong way, and then all of them just turn into like, little goblin. Little goblin is crazy, but so accurate. I call it comparison culture. Oh comparison culture because that is, and I think that I think sometimes, like I can see how you think it's probably just a guy thing, but I'd say it's a girl thing too, because now I think it's different things, because for us, I think that for us, it's more about like, she has a better body, she's prettier. That's a big thing for her. But I mean, they can also be in the same thing, with like, women that are in like the bodybuilding, like, aspecting, they can look at other women bodybuilders, I think, the exact same thing. But I do think that is the comparison culture. And like, social media is such a big part of our lives. And I think there's a lot of good things about social media, but there's also a lot of bad, because you only share the good, you know, I'm sure the bad. And it's all filters. And so it's like, because then I've seen like, these women are like, they shared a bad part of like, like, the homocene. And then you have people in their comments, like, oh, you only shared this for a tangent. And it's like, right. And it's like, okay, so you're mad at me because I didn't show this side, like, the not good stuff, but then I do share like, the unhappy stuff. It's like, I'm doing this for a tangent. And I can't even like blame people, because like, some problems when I see someone talking about, like, or posting them crying, I'm like, okay, we have to do that. You set up the camera, the lighting, and that's a little bit different than I think, like, sharing an Instagram post to say, this is what's going on my life, you know, like, because like, if you're recording yourself crying, you're intentionally doing that. Like, that to me is a little much. I got on TikTok and she like cried because her dog died. And literally, it was like, if I'm just touching her. If you like make a video and you start crying, I'm crying. I need talking about the police. Go to a refrigerator. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I know you don't. That was my. No, and like, the guy, I guess, side of that comparison culture, I feel like it's different for every single person. Oh, yeah. Because, like, I personally, you know what, I love everything about me. It's how God named me. But we're going to go on a limb here. And of course, I'm bald. You get laugh, it's okay. You're bad, me. You know, honestly, like, sometimes I do wish I could have a mola. Yeah. And it's like, toads mola is like fluffy and like extraordinary. It's like the holy grail. But, you know, I wish I could have a holy grail on my head. Yeah. I get that. Mine was definitely, like, I'm not bald, but. And that's okay. Literally, baldness is trending now. But for me, like, mom was definitely looking at other girls. Like, I went to high school, they weren't just skinny, mini, and like, I was never like that. And I mean, when I was younger, obviously, but when I got older, like, I had some health issues, and like, I had gained weight. And like, especially like, when I got into college, I gained a lot of weight. And college will do it to you. Freshman 15. And I had a freshman 25. Yeah, I had a freshman 20. I had a freshman 20. I had a freshman 20, though. How you doing? How you doing? I, hallelujah. But mom was definitely that, like, it took me a long time to just like, like, had to realize, like, yes, I want to lose weight and be healthy. But if I don't love myself fat, I'm not going to love myself skinny, because you're always going to find something wrong. And so I think it's just, like, it took me a long time, like, to realize, like, God made me this. And, like, yes, I could lose a couple pounds, but also it's not that big of a deal if I don't. Yeah. But then I was like the thing, like, when you're in, like, middle school, or even electric, like, they did the BMI thing. And it was, I don't, I don't. But they didn't like, sorry, I'll go go into that later. I don't know if they necessarily did it right or wrong, but it was just like, it's hard seeing that number saying, like, you're overweight as a little kid. And so then, like, going into my freshman year of college, like, I think it was really big at the top, because, like, you're talking about the freshman 15. And so, like, I developed a very, like, very bad eating disorder. Like, there were days, like, I just went to eat. And, like, not even just, like, one day I would do it in the next day eat. I, like, there were days, like, I went and it's because it was just, like, I wanted to be, like, I wanted to, like, everybody else. So, I had to realize, um, maybe this is not healthy, even though I was losing weight, it wasn't healthy the way I was losing it. And I love that y'all brought up school because I feel like schooling and, like, your high school, um, that's mostly just high school is a pinnacle point of everyone's life where you are constantly comparing yourself to other people. I think that's when you're emotional about the most height. It's all, yeah, and it's all just a social game and, like, um, what is it? Oh, um, popularity contest. Getting to college was, like, the biggest fresh of air because it's like, we're all adults and it literally just doesn't matter. Like, especially the CBC, like, you can be weird and it's fine. Like, I am a person who has a big personality and, like, I never felt accepted. I had, like, literally, like, at school, I had one, like, I had church friends, like, obviously, I had no idea, but in high school, I literally had one friend. Yeah. And because, like, me and my friend group kind of split and they were not, they were kind of, like, everyone can be friends. Like, the people are friends with, like, athletes and, like, yeah, we're all friends. And the, like, y'all are not people who I would have probably been friends with in high school because I would have just automatically sued, I wasn't cool enough for y'all. Yeah, like, it's like, you get to college and it's literally just doesn't matter. Let me tell you something. In high school, I was super cool. I was the greatest ever, but I would never make fun of another person because of physical home, anything that was out of their control. I was never the one to say something about someone else except if they deserved it. That was, like, me and my friend, like, I was never the one to say something about someone else except if they deserved it. Yeah, I was never the one to say something about someone else except if they deserved it. in the beginning. I told her to break up with them. - It got to the point, like after a year. So, well, I think it was, I think it gradually led up to this and why, so by the point where we had hit a year, - Uh-huh, a year. - We were dating for almost two years. - Oh my goodness. - By the time we had led up to that, he was telling me how's that. He was telling me how's ugly. - He wanted to be with her best friend. - Not like another friend. - He liked girls that looked like one of my best friends. She was like, real tall, real skinny. - Born hair blue eyes. It's like really opposite of me and just like, it was so gradual that like I didn't really even notice it until I was like to the point where I was wearing it. - Right, yeah, until he was like calling me nay and I might even, I can't even say the name on here that he called me and I didn't ever realize it until he called me this name and my little sister heard it and she like busted up crying and was like Olivia, why would you, why would you stay in that? And I kind of was like, well I love him and I'm so so marrying him and I was so like convinced I was just marrying him and I knew he'd done it. - Thanks God. - Yes, thank you. - She's not. - Yeah. - Because that would've been, I love you to pieces in the dead like my best friend the whole I was, but I would not have been in your wedding. - I told you no. - I think that I did down on new, but it's also kind of like I think in Christian culture we have this thing where your first person is supposed to be your person. And that's how I'm very big on it, doesn't have to be. And if it is, that's also great. - And if my little sister and her boyfriend are like, they're their first loves, they're their first people they ever did and they're gonna get married and that's great. But you know, it wasn't that for me. - And that's okay. - Yeah, and I figured out, you know, what I thought I wanted was not what I wanted and I had such low self esteem that I was like, I am ugly, I am fat. Like I don't deserve to be loved the way I should. And I think that that's probably part of it. A lot of why people stay. I think. - And I also think that sometimes like, not being a really chauffeur so long and then getting at one, you're like scared you're never gonna be in another one. And so you put up with so much, or like I feel like sometimes men or women know how to pick the person. Like they know like I can abuse you, I can do this to you and you're not gonna do anything, you're not gonna tell anybody. - Yeah. - And like people stay in that, because that's the only love that they're renowned sometimes. - And like, that's part of it. Is like seeing the examples of love in your life, I think or some part of it, you just repeat a cycle. But like again, he was just very like manipulative to me. And so I didn't even really realize anything was wrong. And like, part of it was I was very naive and very like, I didn't have enough knowledge, I don't think, 'cause you know, I wasn't mature enough, probably shouldn't have been in a relationship. But you know, all of it, like I said, just with very gradual until it was to the point where I'm like, like he's literally like calling me names that you should never call a woman, like being called fat, being called ugly, and then like, but also feeling like I can't leave. - Yeah. - It's at the end of the day after all is said and done. It's a big learning experience. So that you can see the signs of other people, other dyes and be like, oh, I remember that. And it's a red flag. Let me get out. - Me? - Yeah, he feels like I was saying. - I was, I'm done, I'm done. - Yeah, and that was a big thing. It was like, yes, I would go back and I would never let a man treat me like that. And now I have the most like perfect man in the world who showed me what love should look like and showed me how to love myself and love him because honestly, I was kind of starting to repeat the cycle with him because it was all I knew. And I was like, okay, why aren't we fighting? Like we should be fighting. This is like, this is normal, fights are normal. And it's not like that's not what it is. And he like took a broken shell of a girl and really like has helped me and I've thank God for him every single day. - And I'm glad that you know, us as Christians, we can see that and be like, oh, Jesus is the perfect example of love. - Yeah. - And so we can base that on our real life relationships. - Yeah. - And we can have a foundation in that. - Toby, what do you think? - Hello. - Okay, I remember that word. - Yes, word of the day. It is negging, N-E-G-G-I-N-G. - Negging. - The definition, a form of emotional manipulation or someone uses subtle insults backhanded compliments or passive aggressive remarks to undermine another person's confidence and make them crave validation. - Yeah. - I'll be hearing that sometime. I'm joking, I'm joking. He's gonna get kicked out. - No, literally. - It perfectly sums up, I think, my experience. - I found that on TikTok. See, that's the thing. Like, throughout high school, like, I never, I wouldn't say I was in relationships because I didn't really have my first real relationship until I got to college, it was great. I loved it. Everything was perfect about it, except for one part, but, you know, I wouldn't say it was a bad relationship between us, there was just some unfortunate things that happened that caused outside sources that caused, but anyway, ah, and I hit that because a lot of stuff like that in any relationship, you can't control. - Yeah, and it really, it really does suck because, like, overall, it was great. It was a great relationship and, like, I would say we were both happy, other stuff that didn't make us happy, and it sucked that end of the way it did, but, you know, like, yeah. I wouldn't say I had a bad experience with my first real relationship, but in the past, like, I craved, I did. I craved validation a lot, craved potential. - Yeah, as the kids would say, back in my day, I was a sim. (laughing) - I was a sim, plain and simple. - Yeah, plain and simple. - I agree with that. I think that's the biggest thing is craving validation and, like, wanting a guy or a girl to be like, you know, I like you, I love you, whatever, all this stuff. Like, I've never actually been in, like, an actual relationship, but, like, there was this one guy when I was in my freshman year of college, and I, like, knew, we never did anything, like, terrible, but, like-- - What do I mean? - Like, I would go to his dorm room, because, like, the college I was at, it was covered, and so, like, guys and girls were allowed to be, like, on the same floor, whatever, you would go out to go to their rooms, like, all of that, and so, like, I would go to his room, like, I would stay in his room, I would stay in his room, and, like, deep down, I knew that it wasn't right, but, like-- - Yeah. - I never had that, like, my parents are married, like, they've been together by my entire life, all of my siblings are paralyzed, and so, like, they never got married, and so, I just always thought that that was normal, like, we didn't have to be married, all this stuff, and so, like, that's the view I went in with, and, like, deep down, I knew what I was doing, like, this wasn't the right way to build a relationship, but it was all I had ever known, and so, like, I had come to a point, and, like, I ended up transferring, but not because of him, but I ended up transferring, and I was, like, does she think I'm gonna work, bro? Like, do you think what I want? I don't think that's what you want, and we just, like, we didn't end terribly, we just ended pre-annualically, and-- - That's a big word. - I've never heard that. - I think it means, like, a mutual-- - Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, there are just some personalities that do not work together, and they are toxic together, - Yeah. - And, like, as much as, like, with my guy, he was, it was majority of his fault, I was not completely innocent in it, because, by the end of it, I was, like, what time are we at? - We're at 28 minutes, but, like-- - Oh, we can go for-- - I feel like we need to have a part two of part two, because-- - No! - This is the longer-- - This is meetin' potatoes. - Yeah. - This is juicy. I don't know how much fun. - You know longer? - Yeah, it'll be okay. - What was I even saying, sorry. - The personality is all mixed well. - Oh, yeah, no, but, like, obviously, like, the majority of it was his fault, but, by the end of it, I was being petty with him, because, like, I was so, like, done with it, and I was so angry when we did break up, and I did not handle the break up well, like, it was messy, like, we were fighting in group chat, start friends in it, like-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I had literally a mom texting me, like, - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So, it's like, I'm not bad at group chat, but, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm like-- - I'm like-- - I don't even make the group chat, how was this my fault? - Yeah. - And also, like, I was 16, like, I was a baby, like, obviously, now I would not handle something like that the way I handled it back then, but I was just so, like, angry about it, and so, like, I think there's a lot of different reasons why people end up staying, but, I think the negging is, I think-- - Oh, so I think, like, sometimes, like, people stay because they're threatened. - Yeah. - Like, they're, like-- - Or, like, the person they're with is, like, - No, it's like bigger than them, and, like, bodywork-- - They're like, they're so, like-- - 'Cause we're wives, like, they make more money than they have more power. - Yeah. - They-- - Yeah. know people and they're like almost like forced to stay because they're like well if you leave me I'll do this and I'll do that and I'll run your life and do that and like no no no it's our life ruined and like I thank God every day that honestly even though it was hit like the stuff he was not treating me well I think he handed my breakup better than I did and part of it was I was just and like part of it was I felt like people were on his side and I was like like somebody please see how broken I am like I came out of that relationship with so much anxiety so much depression and it was like somebody please just take my side and so it was coming out in a very bad way. Did I take your side? No I didn't. I think that I think that majority people I think people did take my side but I think he I think people took your side to my family. I agree. I think they took his side openly and part of it was my mom like and my mom and dad met well they were saying Olivia just let it go just let it go and it's like just don't be mad at him with me please be mad at him like and it was like I had no way like I didn't know how to like it was two years of anger just built up and I was like just letting it go and I think also like kind of like and part of it was I mean he broke up with me because he liked my friend my best friend. That's terrible. Yeah and so then it caused a risk between us because I think she felt like I was mad at her and I was like it's not your fault and I think I thought she didn't like him. I don't think she knew the full story of it either. No. And like it is what it is we're not at all. She knows she is. She's not as close now but like there's no tell we not have gone apart for other reasons as well so like I'm not like you know anyways but he like I think that just because you're in that situation it's okay like and there's a lot of different reasons that people stay but I think that if you're in that situation it's okay you don't have to feel bad about that like a lot of that is part of my testimony and it was a hard thing to kind of like have to tell my now boyfriend because when we first started dating we like knew we were gonna get married like immediately and I had to kind of be like these are things that have happened and there was a lot of other different things that happened that I'm not gonna go into on this but yeah yeah and I think that's a very powerful testimony that you can use. All right so we're gonna take a two-second break for ASMR. Hey Nadia I'm sorry we're gonna do ASMR, okay. Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, this is ASMR moment. I kind of like the bottle. That was good. Amazing, good. Oh, I like that one. Getting covered in disinfectant spray. I might as well get it. I'm so sorry. So sorry. I had fun users. So sorry. All right. I mean, I had some art time. It's an eyebrow. It's like some like soap. It's a matter of what are you taking my phone. All right. I'm not taking your phone. No, dude, it's in my mouth. So we're gonna be going to turn next point and we're gonna take a hand sanitizer. It's like a water. That's terrible. Why does the shower make us think about our entire life? I think it's just like you have that alone time. Yes. And it's like the environment. You're there. And I thought that's the time why you just like you dropped your shoulders and you're just like, that's much better. Why? I have one. Why are forks in the road called forks in the roads, but roundabouts, not called spins, right? Spins, spins, spins in the road. Don't hear a joke in a minute. I got a good joke. How many tentacle or hold on from the top? How many tickles does it take to make an octopus laugh? One more. One more. One more. One more. Then we'll give it a topic. Did you know this is this. This can be it. No, this is the joke. Did you know that all ants are females? How do they reproduce them? Because if they were males, they'd beat uncles. What is an uncle? An uncle. And a mother and a brother. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. So what was the little shark that we were talking about being? I don't know. We were in voice lab. We were talking about being sick. And then we're talking about Jesus. I was like, oh, do you think Jesus was ever sick? No. Yeah. I mean, I don't think so. I know he was perfect. Like obviously in actions. But like, do you think? I don't think it was. I don't think he was ever sick because he was more sick. So like, I feel like if he ever got sick, it was immediately gone anyways. Do you think being sick is a feeling? Yes, we can't hold on. Hold on. Because Jesus, it tells us he knows our strengths. I mean, our struggles, weakness, his and everything. Because he's been through them. You know, one of our weakness. Yeah. We're sick. And you know, it's not like, I mean, obviously, you could have like a broken leg. That's physically ill. But you know, I can be kind of seasoned. So let me go and that's it. I mean, probably he did it. I don't know if I like sick is the word, but like, he felt probably uneasy about like, how like how we would live our lives. Like, he didn't know what's going on with his stomach. He was not having a party up there. Like, he wasn't having fun. Like, he was splashed. Right. He was so like, so I don't know. Like, I feel like I don't think he was ever like, but also I don't know how much like sickness truly. There's a lot of sick expectant. Like, you have to turn the water in the water. At some point, he always had something. I have another shower question. I love your voice. But he didn't require whatever. All right. Do you think Adam and Eve had belly buns? Oh my gosh. I do this. Well, I do not. I do not think that I think that maybe Eve did because she had to have had. She was pregnant. But well, actually, no, I don't think they did. I think they did. Because they didn't have a pillow. That's okay. But like, he can't create the world in seven days. Yeah, I don't know why. But why do we have belly buns lit? Like, why is that? I'm sorry. You should not so far out of left field. Because your clothes and stuff get like stuff everywhere. Yeah. Like, you need to be washing it out. The board was just like, you know what I am? Maybe you want to put it like just so like, when their kids came out, they're not like, why do you have a hole in your stomach? And we don't, you know, that's the only thing that you don't have. Did you all see that they did a thermal reading on the the arc location? And there's like, actually, like tunnels and stuff in it. I don't know. All right. I've another shower thought while he's looking that up. This comes from a commenter. Do you know if you buy a buy one, get one free. You can return the one that you bought and keep the free one. Yeah, people, I don't think I've seen the people on TikTok where they'll go to like a sports good store and they'll get like a receipt for like a kayak. And I'm sorry. They'll get like a receipt to a kayak or like a Nintendo switch and they'll be like, they'll go in the store and get the object and be like, hey, I need to return it. Oh, the money for it. Yeah, the buy one, get one free. I'm pretty sure it was showing your receipt that a deal worth there and they won't let you do that. Sure. I don't know that they would. Does your stomach think that all potatoes are in the house? Because you chew it up. I also hold my fries whole. What? Okay. I'm sorry. I'm out. You don't chew your fries. No. You don't chew your food. No. What do you gonna do if it like turns sideways? Yeah, you're at McDonald's. If I hold, that things are big. It's just, but no, like seriously, like, where are McDonald's? Why? I just feel like it. So like, if you go to McDonald's, you get like a little crunchy bit. Like, what if it turns sideways? I just got to call for it up and try again. That's like getting into Reno once in a while. There is one thing. There is a food that it's rice. That's what it is. I don't like rice. I love rice. I just don't chew it. Speaking, it is almost cold enough for gumbo. Bye. Bye. - Oh my goodness. - Go ahead and get the pot turned on. - Hi, good morning. - Good morning. - Time to have a good party. - Baby, you're on them doors. - Somebody turn on my Chris Ardon. - I think that's why this show that's our like, your just relax and like your brain is wondering and you're just like, if the shower had fell on me right now, what did do some serious damage? - I have, but I don't have money really. I actually bought my shower, I thought it was my own like someone's behind my shower curtain. - If a shower had falls and a shower, but no one hears it, then the shower had fall. - If you feel the shower, if a tree fell and no one was around it, it'd make a sound. - Please fall and they sat there, silence. - I do feel like a constant thought in the dorms. Like, luckily, this is luckily, I feel luckily. Luckily, I didn't live in the dorms, but I feel like a constant thought in the dorms, especially if you're on like floor one or two. Like, what would happen if like, the floor just gave out and then somebody else was in the shower or just-- - I think about that all the time. - I think about bunk beds. - I want a bunk bed and a race car bed. - So do you want to get a bunk bed together? - Yes. - Can I sleep on the top? Because if you fell, I think I'll be crushed. (laughing) - First off, all right guys, first off, first off, I've lost 56 pounds since last time. And we're still going to stop. - Give me your bottle. - What did you do to lose weight? - I'll tell you what I did. - I'll sing what I did. - And Jim, and a lot of depression. - That'll do it to you. - No, no, we didn't. - What'd you do? - 20 pounds, six weeks, y'all. - I've always been calling recommend. - See, that's my thing. And this goes back to earlier, like, when we were talking about the appearance thing, like personally, like me, like, okay, so in high school, I hit like, I got down to 245, but I looked ill. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like, I feel like, I don't feel like I'm getting, I don't feel like I'm getting any lower than like a good 260, 'cause then I'll start looking sick. - I used to, I was like 120, and I thought it was so big. - This is insane. - I was, no. I was up sick though. Like, are you guys in that collarbone? Like, that was so skinny. - I look a lot to go to the top of the toe. You can see my collarbone. - No, I'm like, and like, my neck stuck out. The only thing you can see is me swallowing my food. - No, I wanna be like, actually never mind. - Oh, oh, oh, it's epic, 'cause God made you put it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wait, I thought it was epic. - Not every town's more light. - See, that's a good thing. - Yeah, um, I, what was I gonna say? - I don't know. - I have. - And I messed with that. I don't want to answer the stars. - No, nobody cares about no dancing with the stars. - We do. - The only person, the only person you care about on there is Guillermo. - Thanks, Liv. - Yeah. - Thanks, Liv. - But anyways, I feel like that's a good spot for us to end. - Yeah. - Oh, thank you guys for having us on here. - Thank you, thank you for coming. - Maybe you'd love him to have the club. - Oh, I like that. - Olivia, thank you for getting deep with us and just listening and not yet. Thank you for singing your talent. - You're welcome. - We, we, we really did enjoy this. And y'all have officially become the first guests of after class. - Oh, sorry, keep it easy, 'cause it's the last last year. Starting our podcast, look at us now. - All right, thank you. - The mom now. - Oh, sorry. - Yeah, yeah, no. - My calls. - But any who, thank you guys for coming. - This has been after class with Toad and Maddick Beaver. - Y'all have an amazing week. Go check out the collab and be ready for new posts weekly. See y'all later.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Men often struggle to express emotions due to societal expectations of strength and masculinity, which are reinforced by cultural and religious norms.
  2. Emotional expression is not limited to women; both men and women benefit from embracing vulnerability and emotional openness as a healthy part of personal growth.
  3. Comparison culture on social media, especially in appearance and success, negatively impacts self-esteem and leads to unhealthy behaviors like disordered eating or emotional suppression.
  4. Negging—subtle emotional manipulation through passive-aggressive comments—was identified as a harmful pattern in relationships that can prevent individuals from recognizing abuse or leaving toxic situations.
  5. Personal experiences highlight how low self-worth and lack of emotional awareness led individuals to stay in unhealthy relationships, often due to fear, manipulation, or a desire for validation.
  6. The shift from high school to college represents a turning point where individuals begin to develop healthier self-identities and emotional awareness.
  7. Spiritual reflection on Jesus’ perfection and humanity reveals that emotional struggle and suffering are part of the human experience, which can deepen empathy and understanding in personal relationships.
  8. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing red flags, seeking support, and learning from past experiences to build healthier, more authentic relationships.

Summary:

The podcast episode features a deep discussion on emotional expression, particularly among men, and how societal and cultural norms—especially in Christian communities—have historically discouraged vulnerability. Hosts Olivia and Nadia share personal experiences of emotional suppression, growth, and healing. They explore how comparison culture on social media fuels insecurity, leading to unhealthy behaviors like disordered eating or emotional stagnation.

A key theme is the harmful practice of "negging," where subtle emotional manipulation undermines self-worth and keeps individuals in toxic relationships. Both hosts reflect on their past relationships, where fear, low self-esteem, and a desire for validation led them to stay in unhealthy dynamics. They emphasize that recognizing emotional red flags, seeking support, and learning from past experiences are essential for building healthier connections.

The conversation also touches on spiritual insights, drawing from Jesus’ humanity to affirm that emotional struggle is normal and part of a deeper, shared human experience. Ultimately, the episode encourages listeners to embrace emotional authenticity, challenge societal expectations, and prioritize self-love and mental well-being in relationships.

FAQs

Men often feel pressure to appear tough or 'manly,' and expressing emotions is sometimes seen as weak or feminine. This mindset is reinforced by societal expectations and upbringing, where emotions are discouraged in boys.

Growing up with messages like 'be a man' or 'don't act like a girl' can make men suppress their emotions. This leads to emotional restraint, even though many men are actually deeply in tune with their feelings.

Negging is a form of emotional manipulation where someone uses subtle insults or passive-aggressive comments to undermine another person's confidence. It can cause lasting damage by making someone feel unworthy and leading them to stay in unhealthy relationships.

Social media often showcases only the best or happiest moments, creating unrealistic standards. This leads to comparison culture, where people feel inadequate based on appearances or lifestyles, affecting self-esteem in both men and women.

Signs include constant criticism, being called names, feeling pressured to stay, or being made to feel unlovable. These behaviors are often subtle but build over time and can severely impact mental health.

Self-worth grows through recognizing one's value beyond what others say. Healing involves learning to trust oneself, understanding that love should be respectful, and drawing strength from personal growth and faith.

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