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I went, do you know what might be easier than this? Might be the topple. Is as if we drew something. - And then when you opened the case, did like a load of horrible flamsunk. (laughing) - It's like that 40 cinema experience. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I found there's been some very creative methods to get people to quit smoking. This is a nice one that was developed by a Turkish man called Ibrahim Yussel, which is every day he would wake up and put a big cage around his head, lock it up and give the keys to his wife and daughter. So he was only ever allowed the cageless head at meals when they would unlock the cage and he would sit there under their supervision. And then once the meal was done, they put this big cage back over his head and that was his day. - Yeah. - It kind of looks like an astronaut's helmet, but it's a wiry cage so you can see like a cage in fact. - I don't know about those really long cigarette holders. - Yeah, the flappers would have in the 20s. - Well, you think you could insert it between the bars? - Yeah, exactly. - That's a really good idea. - To the determined mind. It's possible to get out. - Yeah. - Oh, that's great. - I don't know. I think his wife and daughter left him and the only consolation is that he formed the bandaf punk and so he could at least make something out of it. - All right, I have an ad campaign. - Yep. - Just stop people smoking. Have you heard about Nick O'teen? - Nick O'teen. - I feel like I have heard of him. Was it in Britain? - Yeah, it was. - Yeah. - It was campaign. - In the 1980s, maybe? - 1980s. - 1980s. It was Nick O'teen was the arch enemy of Superman and there was a campaign to stop children getting into smoking. - Oh, yeah. - Saying Nick O'teen is trying to recruit children to his army of smokers. Uncle, what does army is going to do? - Well, they might match for a while, but they're going to need quite a little break, so I'm going to be like, (laughing) and basically, the children were asked to sign an anti-smoking pledge and you get some badges and you get some poster and that kind of stuff. - I wouldn't be surprised if I did that. - That's also, well, you might have been one of the 800,000 children in Britain who requested one of these packs. - It's quite impressive. - No, I don't think it affected smoking rates long run though, unfortunate. - No, because every single child aged 10, so smoking is disgusting. I hate my parents, so I'll never do it. An age 14 they're smoking. Sadly. (laughing) - I don't think that's quite true anymore. - No, smoking is much less common than it used to be. - Oh, I wonder if that's legacy of Nicholts. - It's legacy of Nicholts. - It's a long thing. - And it explains why does Superman not smoke? You can get this, this is guttable. - Because this is how the campaign explained why Superman would never touch the red. - He has super breath, so if he breathes in really quick, the cigarette will fire through his skull backwards. - Got it in one day. - No, no. - So, it's boring playing these games with James. He always just gets it right. No, there is a famous thing. - Because you can't smoke when you're flying, famously. (laughing) - This was the '80s, you could do anything while flying. (laughing) - No, there's a thing, what a Superman got that would deter him from smoking. - Loeys Lane didn't like it. - Oh. - It's not. - The idea to get changed really quickly. He needs both hands for that. - He's got underpants on the outside of his. - A dog? - A dog. - A dog is a dog, one of his powers. - No, I was saying that as you said that. (laughing) - He can fly. - He can fly. - He can see through things. - Thank you. - Oh my God. - See the rain. - He can see the adverts, the lungs. - See the lungs, my God. - That was the longest minute of my life. - And he's got super hearing so presumably when he opens up his vinyl cigarette case. (laughing) - It's blasting into him. (upbeat music) - Stop the podcast. Stop the podcast. Hello everybody. This week we wanted to tell you a response by NordVPN. - Yes, NordVPN. If you need a VPN in your life and you probably do for all sorts of different reasons and then Nord is the one to use. I always use VPNs when I got broad for instance. It really helps me to access a lot of things that I wouldn't normally be able to get in that country but normally could only get in the UK. 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Okay, on with the podcast. On with the show. (upbeat music) - Okay, there's time for fact number two and that is Andy. My fact is that the longest traffic jam in history lasted eight years. - Wow, so. - Yeah, that's a biggie. How much longer than the second place traffic jam? I think about seven years. - Seven and a half years. - Okay, yeah. - So I've known traffic jam so bad where people just get out of their cars and then go home and then come back a few days later and have to pick up their cars and that makes the traffic jam worse. So is that what happened here? - It's about something that happened in 1967. There was a very brief but very lively war between Israel and Egypt called the Six Day War. And when the war broke out, Egypt's first move was to close off the Suez Canal, right? So running tops of one from the med to the red. That's how you can remember where the Suez Canal is. It goes from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea, right? - Nice. - And it's a canal. And there's a bit in the Suez Canal, which is called the Great Better Lake, which is basically like, you know when you're driving along a very narrow country road and there's one of those passing places? It's like that, but it's 100 square miles. And then basically, so the war broke out and all the ships that were sailing are halfway through. They got stuck in the Great Better Lake about, I think it's 14 or 15 ships. And there were like hundreds of thousands of explosive devices in the water and there were bits of bridge and there were sunken ships that there was no way through. So these ships were just stuck there for weeks, months and then eventually eight years. And it was only after another war in 1975 and a load of demining and all of this and peace breaking out that finally they got to go home. By the time they got out, only two of them could actually sail anymore. All the rest had to be just tugged to be broken up for scrap and things. Please, let's not advertise that it takes another war to reopen an endlessly close straight. I'm sure there are other methods. It's the second bomb come ahead. That's it, it restores your memory to you. I can just imagine the meetings. It's like, have we tried another one guys? Yeah, it's amazing. It feels like the mood really took some peaks and troughs didn't it along the way because all these crews just trapped there. And the first month it was described as a little bit like a holiday. Suddenly these people are, you know, you don't have to get to work anymore, you're stuck. And then the second month it was really, really bad. Third month was terrible. And then all the crews of the ships, I think kind of sort of getting together and they realize that with teamwork they could do things like create their own social events, have card games together, have their own mini Olympics. It's really cool. It was eight different nations as well. These boats, it's not like it was one fleet. You had the UK, you had West Germany, Sweden, France, United States, Poland, Bulgaria, there was more. And they became the great bit of lake association. They had a swimming pool on one of the boats that they'd go and do races on there. It sounds like terrible. And the idea is that all these boats were carrying different cargo. And so they were like, okay, we're hungry. Which of the ships got the sandwiches. And they were like, okay, well, we'll give you some of our sandwiches and you can have some of our pula hoops. And then the other ones like, well, we've got some orange cord you're here and then between them they could all have everything they needed. And one of the ships had a refrigerator bit because it was transporting food. It was transporting 300 tons of pairs and 8 million eggs. Right. You don't want to be devouring them on the eighth year, do you? (laughter) Just check that out. It's fine. It's fine. I don't want to stop being a fuss, but. No, one of the sailors said after a few weeks, I can't bear to see another pair. I think they just ate pairs for several weeks. Oh my god. We've run out of cigarettes. It's okay. West Germany's got 20 tons of lettuce. It's like the outbreak of civilization in a way, isn't it? Barter economy, like they've developed their own stamps and they developed their own post-old system and all this. These stamps were drawn by this, by the crew. So cool. And they were used as legit stamps as if they were from a country which was really cool. I went on eBay and. Yeah, I was just. And there are some stamps from the collection of one of the guys who was on the boat. How much? - 30 quid a stamp. - I couldn't tell if it was a collection of four or a singular stamp. What you'll find out when they arrived. - Yeah, exactly. (laughing) - So they sent letters out with a stamp son. Did the envelopes contain letters saying, also please get us the fuck out of it? - So they started rotating after the first difficult bit where they were all stuck. It wasn't like the same crews were eight years old but they were able to circulate in and out. So you'd go and do like however many months on board ship and then thankfully you'd get a break. - And then slowly there will be fewer and fewer people 'cause they realized actually we don't need the guy who looks after the eggs any more 'cause they're just gonna go. And like there's many hundreds of people to start. Oh, there was hundreds of people to start off with and by the end there was like a few dozen people. - I mean, why do you need people to be there in large numbers? - Well, to guard the, after a while when it becomes apparent that the ship is gonna fall apart is it in the hope that you'll be able to maintain the ship and they can go? - There's some instruments, you know, 'cause it is a hostile environment with all the sand and all the heat and all of that. - Definitely guarding as well because people strip those ships on there. I remember I read about this when that big ship got lodged in the Suez Canal a few years ago. - The ever given was it cool? - It was a given, yeah. - Such a bad name for a ship. - So when that happened, basically all the historians went, oh, this has happened before, guys. We could do our little thing. - Yes, maybe that's when I read about it, yeah. - I'm sure that's when I did. But I was reading back about the ever given 10% of the world's trade was blocked. Thank God, that never happened together with any straights in the Middle East. And people went onto the internet 'cause you know you can follow all the ships, like you can do it with airplanes as well and see where all the different ones are going in the world. Well, they followed, they looked at where the ship had been and the week before it had gotten stuck, it had drawn the image of a penis in the Red Sea. - Amazing. - Like it had done a few sort of like turns back and forward to kind of work out which way it was going to go. - Oh, it wasn't deliberate. - It wasn't deliberate. (laughing) - A lot of people thought, well, these guys had taken the mic here. They like draw a penis, then they deliberately get stuck. (laughing) - I am always upset on behalf of pilots who draw penises in the sky, sometimes on training exercises that they always get in real trouble. There's a real sense of humor failing, I think, in the RAF and the Navy over stuff like this. - I think unless you're actually firing smoke out of the back of your airplane to make an actual penis in the sky, it should be a lot of stupid you want. - Yeah. - Do you know when the Suez Canal was built? - Ooh. - Approximately. - Early 20th century? - Yeah, you're close. - I would say, seventh century BC. - Okay. - Okay. - Okay. - So this is the Canal of the Pharaohs, also called the H and Suez Canal. And it was, we're not sure exactly when it was first cuts, but it was probably by net show the second, around 600 BC. And then it was redug or maybe completed by Darious, the great in around 500 BC. - All the way. - It went all the way. So you could, that was navigable by small boats, obviously. By the Suez Canal could send big tankers through, because one was just like little boats. - That's amazing. - Yeah, that is. - 1869, the actual big Suez Canal. - Really? - Yeah. - And it was built mostly by the French who were having a lot of time in North Africa around then. And the idea was, this is quite a famous story. Again, but everyone was ready to go through. It was this opening of the Suez Canal. Someone was gonna cut the ribbon and all the ships were gonna go through. But because it's a canal, you can only really get one ship at a time. So there's a French yacht called Legel, which means the eagle, which is right at the front. And at dawn, that's gonna go. But at the same time, there was a British commander, George Nez, who was in command of HMS Newport, who wasn't very happy about being at the back of the queue. So when it went dark at night, he kind of sneaked his boat right down to the front, put it in front of this French yacht. And then everyone was like, "Sacre bleur!" "Well, I'm not gonna happen here." But because he's in the front, and it's a canal, no one can overtake him. So he managed to go through first. And he got an official reprimand by the British Navy, but then was secretly celebrated and promoted to Captain. - Yeah. - The huge jumping. - That's hanging offends, impressive. - That's so good. - That's amazing. - So that happened in any other sport. The formula one, could the guy at the back was very slowly, didn't he? - And then I screamed to the front. - Wow. - Traffic? - Traffic. Sorry, before we go on to traffic, can I just say one thing about the straight of Hormuz, which is kind of similar to this in many ways. And there's a very strategic bit of water and it's sometimes closed. We don't know where the name Hormuz comes from. It might have come from a Persian word, meaning place of dates, or it might come from the name of a Zoroastrian God, who was called Hormuz. But another theory is it was named after Ifra Hormiz, who was the mother of King Shepur, the second of Persia, who ruled between 309 and 379 AD. She was famous as like a regent, so the king was very, very young. And in fact, he was so young that he became king before he'd been born. So his father, let's say, or brother, or whatever had died, they needed the next king. They knew he was hopefully gonna be born at some stage, assumed they were guessing it was gonna be a he, because in those days you weren't sure if it was gonna be a he or a she. And in order to crown him, the crown was placed on Ifra's belly. - Lovely. - Wow. - So they had a proper crowning ceremony where she got her tummy out and they put the crown on top of her head. And when he was born, they probably said, the baby's crowning, like we know. Very good. - Because crowning is the thing when the head comes out. - Absolutely. - Yeah. Yeah. - Nice. - Yes. - I think guys, that's technically a very good, technically it had all of it there. - Yeah. - Technically it had the set up, the punchline, and the explanation that it had everything that perfect junks should have. - Okay, sorry. - Traffic, do you know how bad it is for you being in a traffic jam? - Oh, probably fine. - Well, bad. - Oh no, he is bad for you. Your blood pressure goes up so much. More than I expected it to. So there was a study in Beirut that measured the blood pressure of drivers who were pulling into a service station in traffic jams and then those who were pulling into service stations when there wasn't any traffic. The ones in traffic jams had an average blood pressure of 142 over 87. The ones not in traffic jams were 123 over 78. - Oh, that's quite different. - It's a big difference. And also do you think it'd be worse or better if you were running late at the same time? - I would think worse. - It's not, makes no difference. - Oh, okay. - So it doesn't matter if you're late or not in a traffic jam, your blood pressure is still rock-sync. Which really, the number of times I'm sitting in traffic being so stressed and then don't you find you have to go hold on. I don't need to be anywhere. - But if you were going to miss your plane, that surely is more point. - Does the same. - When you have a driving anywhere with no time constraints unless you're on holiday, there's always something you're trying to get to. That's the way you're in the bloody car of the first place, isn't it? - Oh, Andy, you're alive. - I'm so stressful. - Why are you guys just going for drives all the time? - You're low, so I'm very relaxing. If I have a bit too low. - If you're going to go to the shops, you have to be at the shop at exactly 12.49. - Well, you've got a very stringent shopkeeper, haven't you? - It's 9.58, I need to get to the shops as if out of the clothes, please. But you said there's a bay route. - Yeah. - So that is quite a geopolitically fraught place. I imagine lots of blood pressure is quite high in bay routes. - Okay. - I also think like in different countries, like I don't know if you guys have driven in different countries, but some of them you get much more stressed than others. - Driving is driving on this. - Never driven in bay routes. But I can imagine it might be similar to other places where I've driven where it has been closed to us. - Do they have magic in bay routes? 'Cause that'll bring, that'll calm things right down. - What about smooth? - Maybe that's what they need. - Just have a cigarette. That'll be great for exactly. (laughing) (upbeat music) - Okay, it is time for fact number three. And that is my fact. My fact this week is that in 1953, a town called NeverSync was sunk. - Hopefully. - This is an amazing little place NeverSync because it's very important for New York City in particular. It's a reservoir, but it wasn't a reservoir prior to 1953. Prior to that, it was a town and it had a population of about 300 and it had businesses and it had houses, but they needed somewhere to create a reservoir and NeverSync was picked. And so all the residents had to move out. They had to move NeverSync down the road and had to reset up their lives. Do we know why it was originally called NeverSync? - I tried to find out. - No, I couldn't find it. - No, there's a few possibilities. - Nah, definitely. - Judge NeverSync. (laughing) - No, I'm not quite sure. And also, it wasn't the only place that was flooded. The other place that was flooded at the same time was a place called Bittersweet. And Bittersweet, we do have a slight idea of how that could have been named. It was a plant that grew in abundance and bittersweet, type of plant. - Yeah, and so they think it might be that, but we don't know. - It was a NeverSync river. So the town was, of course, named after the river. I don't know why the river got its name, but I did read on Wikipedia that it's considered by many to be the birthplace of American dry fly fishing. - Dry fly? - I bet you got some. - So excited about that. Have you subscribed to our magazine or something? (laughing) What is that? - I don't. - I don't know. - I can't see that phrase, not Google what it is. - I became so bored. - Is it fishing with a dry fly? - I don't know. - It's got to be. - Or is it fly fishing where there's no water? - Maybe you're catching flying fish. So you're just there with a net rather than a catch them as they leap out. - Or is it like fly fishing where you don't drink alcohol? - Oh my god, I gotta look at our poor eyes. - Oh my god. - Oh no one's allowed to make jokes throughout the day of fishing. - Not a problem for me. (laughing) - All fishing with Andy is dry fishing. (laughing) Right, here you are. You're really looking it up. Dry fly fishing is an angling technique where you have an artificial fly which floats on the surface of the water and doesn't sink. Oh, okay. So, that's. Okay, so we're all glad we are. We're done, aren't we? No, we couldn't leave that hanging. No, no. That's a really good point. It's like the fishing rods in dry fly fishing. So, a little fly is just as easy as it looks, Anna, right now. I know. You've got to reel them in. Sorry, I'm just going to get my head round it. You put a fake fly on the surface of the water and the fish comes to eat it. Yeah, it's like fly fishing. I just didn't know they ate flies. They do eat flies fish. Do they? But also your fly. It's colder fly but it might not necessarily look like a fly. It might look like a little fish. Yeah. Now it makes sense. New York reservoirs. Oh, yeah. It's what we were talking about. Absolutely. So, that's my link. And I don't know if this was the same reservoir, the Ashokan. And I might have mispronounced that Ashokan. That will be it. There we go. But this is the reservoir which supplies about 40% of the drinking water in New York that was dug between 1909 and 1914. And one of the interesting things about digging reservoirs and, you know, sinking all these towns, is that you also sink the cemeteries in the Graveyard and you have to relocate all the bodies. Oh, yeah. And I was just, I just looked at this up so I was like, what do they do with all the bodies? And you do have to dig them up partly out of respects, but also because if you can get. You're drinking water. You're drinking the water. So you just don't want it full of corpses. And aqua ghosts. And aqua ghosts. And aqua ghosts. And aqua ghosts. Swimming ghosts. Yeah. Wait, hang on. So you're having to dig up the bodies. Yeah. So they dig up all the bodies. So there's a cemetery in New York called Bushkill Cemetery, which is the cemetery, which has 2,720 bodies, from the 32 Graveyard that had to be dug up to make way for Ashokhan Reservoir. And they just tossed all the bodies in a new one. But surely, I'm showing my ignorant here. But surely, if you've done the burial properly, these people are 6 feet down. The water's not going to be indirecting. Like water goes through all sorts of coblets before it gets to our tap. And it gets heated. I think a lot of it is going to be in America. These are not going to be like 12th century burial grounds like you might get in England. Are they? There will be recent people. There will be relatively recent people. Yeah. People might want to visit those graves. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That makes complete the cultural thing absolutely, absolutely. But it is, can I? Yeah. Yeah. And I agree. Maybe some coffins are more leaky than others. Also, do you remember my sister had a house where she lived next to a graveyard. Yeah. And my other sister wouldn't eat the potatoes that she grew in her garden because she thought the bite would be dead bodies in there. Yeah. People are a bit icky about that kind of thing. Yeah. Because when you're making a reservoir, you can't put a tap all in there, can you? Because it's such a huge area. It would not be practical to do it. They don't sell them. Anyway, not that big. Yeah, yeah. So, I'm mentioning moving graveyards. There's a fantastic airport, Savannah Airport, which is in Georgia. And they needed to expand and have more runway. But it ran into the farmland and family house of a family called the Dotsons. And the Dotsons had graveyards of some of the family members that were buried there. And so they did a deal where they sold it. But they kept two of the Dotsons still buried there. Oh, yeah. So there's a runway where, as you're going over it, it's runway 10 in Savannah Airport. There's not a bump on the grass. There are not two lumps on the grass. I think there are. There's two tombstones laid flat down that you go over as you're. That goes to the wrong way of the plane. So the truck is Ladybauer Reservoir in the Pete district. And there was a village called Don't Village. And I've driven past this a million times. And apparently when you go past it sometimes you can hear the sound of the church bells ringing from the former. Because it was sun, sun, under the reservoir. I love all this stuff. Well, I so metal. It's so cool. I wrote about this one time, this church, specifically, that you're talking about. When they got rid of all of the town there, one of the things that they left was the tall turret of the church. So a mutual friend of ours, David Bramwell, also lived very close to that. And he remembers that when there was a drought, the water goes down and the church spire comes in. You can see it, right? And he remembers seeing it as a kid. And then he started researching it. And it turned out that in 1947 it was blown up. And that doesn't exist anymore. What? And so many people have a memory of seeing it, including Hillary Mantell talks about her family reporting seeing it as well. Yeah, I thought you could see that. And if you'd have asked me, have you seen that as a kid I would have said yes. That's what's that called? It's got a name. Mandela effect. Thank you. Mandela effect. The ghost church. What are you talking about? It's a ghost church. On Ladybauer, which is a very cool thing. First of all, it's very cool reservoir because it's got these giant plug holes that are quite, I mean, just Google them. It's amazing that create these massive whirlpools. So you get people who row across the reservoir and almost get sucked into it. But also when they were building the reservoirs in that area, there are three reservoirs in that dough went valley area. I hadn't realised that they build an entire town for all the construction workers who were working on the reservoir. So there's a town called Birchindli, which housed about 1,000 construction workers in all their families. This is in the early 1900s. Wow. It's called Tin Town and everything in it is made of John Lloyd, our boss's favourite material. It's all corrugated iron and it's amazing. And they had a pub, they had shops, a post office, a police station, they had bath houses. It must, if you're one of the original village and you get kicked out because they're going to put something there. And then another village gets made right next to it. You must think they're taking the piss. Some people who are working to kick you out of your village and flood your home. Yeah. No, it is, I don't understand what they're building though because in presuming you just need a bowl of water or a bowl of land driver. Oh, to build a reservoir you think, oh you have to do just dig a bowl of water? You find a bowl and fill it up. What do you do? Building a dam, I think it's not a big reservoir. No, no, they're made by building dams. Usually. So you build a dam and you wait for it to be. I thought you just had to find a bowl and fill it. Okay. What would that hose? Like what's your. I just the rain will do it eventually, wouldn't it? That's how they work, which I think is quite interesting with reservoirs. It's that you build the dam and then you wait, sometimes a couple of years for it to get full up. I really am. Sorry, building the dam, okay. But yeah, they're building the dam. So it does take a while. The tin town was there for six years. And then when it's finished, the whole town just disappears. But there's one left. If you want to visit tin town, there's one corrugated iron hut that has been reassembled in the nearby village of Hope, which is a hairdresser's. It's it. If you want, that's so cool. And there's a great example of it going slightly wrong in America, which is a town called Old Jefferson, which was in Tennessee. So they had this exact same thing. They had a lake that they wanted to expand so that it could act as a water supply. And this little town was sitting on the edge of the lake. So they all had to get out of there. And then the whole town was bulldozer down. They allowed for it to flood. But what they didn't realize was that there was a lot of underground caves in the area. And the water simply disappeared into that. Lovely, lovely. And the town just stayed the same, just bulldozer and nothing there. That's very bad. Yeah, this happens sometimes. So there was a Spanish town called Granadilla. And it was evacuated in the 1960s because the government was going to flood the town. And it took 10 years to move everyone out. You know, they were given lots of notice and all 1,000 people living there moved out. It was amazingly beautiful town. It's from the 9th century. So there's a big decision to flood to that because you know it's very old and all that. And the water was finally allowed into this massive new floodplain. And it just came up to make this town a lovely little island with one road in and out. Right. So there was no need to have a picture of anyone. And did they all go back? No. They weren't allowed. It's so often it happens that you can just not allow. I think they're still trying to get back in, aren't they? The descendants of the people who lived there are still saying, "Can we please get back into our town?" I think they're allowed to visit once or twice a year. So I don't think they're allowed to go and stay. They're famous ones similar to this called Minnith Eppent, which is in Wales. And they kicked out everyone from this little village because they wanted to make a military training area during World War II. And still now you'll occasionally see people spray paint on the walls. Remember Eppent because it was such a big deal in Welsh history. And the really sad thing about this is that they thought it was going to be temporary. These people left the keys in the door because they thought they would come back one day. They continued to plow the fields because they thought they'd be able to come back. But they never were. And then there was one guy called Thomas Morgan who returned to his house every single day to light his fire as sort of a symbol of we will be back one day. And so the army blew his house up. Oh. You're not coming back. Oh my goodness. Well that's a quick question about that. Yeah. I return to my house every day, but I don't leave the keys in the door. I take the keys with me. You live in a less trusting environment. I see of course. If I lived in Wales, that's what they all do when they know they're coming back somewhere. You don't have to. It was the point of a key except to open the doors so you know they're keeping together. How often do you lose your keys? It's a lot. I should leave them in the room. Now imagine you've left your house. You've gone away for like five years. And then they go okay you could go back now. Oh fat words the keys. Such a good boy. If you've left them in the door. Fine. The best thing to do is to leave the keys in the door and then just build a small metal cage around the keys. Which you can then open with a log. Very good. For safety. But this happens a lot. Tynum in Dorset was requisitioned for military training and that was a wall thing. And the last person left a notice on the church door saying, please treat the church. and houses with care, we shall return one day and the army have just bombed that. - Bombed that out of it since then. - Well in Wales there's another one that was called Capell, Kellen. And Capell, Kellen was, I used to say, "Capal, Kellen." - I think it's Cap, yeah, Capell, Kellen. - Yeah, "Capal, Kellen." - And this was a town, just Indian people in there, and say, "Princess it like Donald Trump, pronouncing any foreign word." I'll give it another round. - Capell, Kellen. - There was a great town, super-aptown. There's a town in Wales called Capell, Kellen. And Capell, Kellen was a town that was flooded. And the people who lived there only found this out five days before Christmas. - I've got five days off from it. (laughing) - They are slow to pick up on things. - It has been very wet lately, but this is, it's safe. This is ridiculous. They found out five days before Christmas while reading the Liverpool Daily Post. It was in a newspaper that their town was gonna be flooded. And it was flooded so that they could provide water for Liverpool. So it was a cross-border reason. And they were fuming, and this became a huge, huge thing. And they were huge protests, and they would go to Liverpool, but Liverpool felt like they'd bailed this area of Wales out quite a lot. And so they were really aggressive towards the Welsh people who were over there. - Look, this is a controversial point to make, but I think we should download more places. - Oh, yeah. - Well, where? (laughing) - If the government would like my place at a reasonable rate, have it. I don't care. - We'll need it. We'll need more water. You know, there are gonna be more periods where there's much less rain. You need better water supply. - Britain hasn't built a reservoir since 1992. It's insane. - Yeah. - People keep trying, but they just do a bowl of water. 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Certainly under European law, it couldn't be sold there. It's like any sunscreen that. Or any ingredients in sunscreen or any fully made sunscreen cannot be made or sold there if it's been tested on animals. And in the US, the regulations say sunscreen, sun cream, as we call it, is an over the counter drug. So it counts as a drug there. So the rules are much more stringent. Drugs usually need to be tested on animals, not always. But basically I was reading the FDA site, Food and Drug Administration site. And it does specify it's trying to basically say, "We don't do that much testing on animals." So it says, "We don't require sunscreen to be tested on large animal species like dogs or primates." And we try to minimize testing on rodents. And. - What's left? Are you gonna rub it on a fly? - Well, they specifically say they minimize testing in rodents. They don't stop it testing in rodents. They just say we don't demand six month toxicity studies, which I think probably means that they don't rub it on rodents and then leave them for six months and then test if it's cause damage. - So they still test it on. Basically, the website was a very long-winded way of saying, "We test these on rodents and we have to." Whereas in the EU, in 2013, the sale and marketing of all cosmetics, sunscreen included, and their ingredients was banned. Now, there's lots of gray areas. There's this bizarre thing. - It was pink areas. (laughing) - There are gray areas in the EU. So there's basically the European chemicals agency, which says you have to test chemicals on animals if people are gonna be working with them. But then the animal testing cosmetics law that says you're not allowed to test these on animals. And they say totally contradictory things and no one understands the European law really. So sometimes sunscreen is tested on animals, even though it's illegal, because European laws mess. - What about Brexit? Will we finally be able to slather sun cream up flies? - I did, I'm a little. I think you can do that outside of the lab anyway. - 'Cause that's why I voted for it. (laughing) - There have been worse reasons. (laughing) - I was sat there at the voting booth with my pet flyer, my hand's going one day Jeremy, one day. You won't be subjected to this terrible UV rays. (laughing) - Poor red Jeremy. (laughing) UK is basically in line with EU law on this in my frame James, so it was all for nothing. (laughing) - Great. - Thank you. - Wow. - Sun cream. - The first ever sun cream, I think, was tested on animals. - Okay. - So, during World War II, there was a guy called Benjamin Green. He was an urban and a pharmacist, and he was in the South Pacific, and he saw that a lot of the other soldiers were getting sunburnt, and he decided they needed protection. And so he gave them something called red vet pet, a cream that you used when, let's say, your dog got a little cut on it or something, the vets would put this on to stop any infection from getting in there. And what he thought was, well, I can put this on my soldiers, and it will stop them from getting sunburnt. - Hmm. - So it wasn't commercially available. That came a year or two afterwards, but. - But he founded a firm called Coppertown, didn't he? - Yeah. - Which was, which was the commercial version of it. So, what I found really interesting is, that I guess, 'cause its petroleum is blocking rays. - Yeah. - And this is, there are two main ways by which sun cream works. It's UV filters, ultraviolet light filters, which either reflect UV rays, so literally just reflecting the light, so it doesn't do damage, or absorbing them, but either way, it means that fuel actually get into your skin. And I was trying to work out what happens when it goes in, 'cause I was thinking of the amount of sun cream I've put on my body and my life. - Yeah. - Okay. - Has it all gone in? - You wash it off. - But some of it, I think, little bits end up in your bloodstream. Like, only tiny bits. - Oh yeah, they do. - And this is not a reason not to, this is not a reason that it might be bad for you. There's no evidence that it's bad for you at all. But I think the amount you put on you, enough will go in you. - I think this is why Superman never knew sunscreen, 'cause he could see how much of it was in your body. - Three weeks after you put sunscreen on, if you get a blood test, you can tell that you put sunscreen on. Isn't that amazing? - Eventually, you'll be pooing it out, right? - Sure. - All I'm saying is that I think it's interesting that the sun cream that goes into your body eventually comes out of you through your bottom. - Oh, I see. - That's what you're saying. - Okay. Well, there you go. (laughing) - Am I saying we can use it for speaking reapply? - I think it is it. - No, I'm not saying, "In a pinch on the beach, you can't say." - I just, I had, I had loads a few weeks ago, so I just turn over it up. (laughing) - I'll get you all back. (laughing) - The old rubs and sunscreen on me, darling, is a much less romantic prospect, isn't it? (laughing) - Or more romantic, depending what you're into. - So, it's piss on it if you've been stung by a jellyfish and shed on it if you're out of sunscreen. Don't mix them up, kids. - So this guy, this was in World War II, said James, but in 1938, there was another big moment in modern sunscreen history, which was a man called Franz Greiter, who was climbing a mountain in the Alps, and he got sunburn while he was up there, and he thought, "Why can't we put something on to stop this burning?" And he built a business out of it. So the mountain is called Pitz-Bouin, and Pitz-Bouin is the name of the company. It's the trading name of the company. So the inspiration was so great. - It's all around that time. It's exactly that time. - Exactly that time. - It's everyone's kind of doing it at the same time. - I guess chemistry's sort of just been invented, doesn't it? - We haven't a lot of petroleum derivatives, but I was looking at why, as in it can't be that everyone was sunburned until the end of the 1930s. That's not practical, right? So why didn't ancient humans need sun cream? - Was it, our skin was darker? - Well, you'd shelter at night. You mostly-- - Well, it's also not sunny at night. (laughing) - It's not sunny. Half the problem is already solved. Andy's nighttime suncream company has never taken off. No, no, I'm saying that's fine. I'm saying that's fine. Get up kids, it's 2 am dead. We're off to the beach. Let's go. So as you say, Ted, the more sun you get, the more melanin your skin produces. So your skin gets darker, you know. But also the other thing is that people didn't move around much in their life, right? Wherever you lived, your skin would acclimatize to roughly the sun intensity. I see. And it would become the color that can cope with that. So you wouldn't get people whose genetics is related to Northern Europe moving to Australia, which is obviously a big problem. Exactly. And that is the basic problem is just people that are much more mobile now and you can easily get, you know, in a couple of hours you can get to a place which has a completely different sun profile for the skin that you have had and that you're where your ancestors have been living for 100,000 years. Also, everyone died at the age of 20, so it wasn't a problem. But-- And people probably looked very, very wrinkly when they were youngest because there was a lot more sun intensity around. But you know what? I did read a study which suggests that sun cream might have been what made humans survive when the antifils didn't, right, for instance. Because around 41,000 years ago, the magnetic field of the earth reduced quite a lot, which meant that a lot more of the sun's rays could get onto the earth. And this is a similar time to when the antifils died out. And humans could create technologies such as tailored clothing. We began to start sewing things. We started wearing more ochre, which is like a plant-based thing that you can rub on yourself. We know for sure that happened because we have that leftover. And I also read strategic cave use. I don't know why. [LAUGHTER] I didn't say it nice. It's been the case. But yeah, the antifils might not have been able to do those things. According to this theory-- I'm sure if Ella Alshma, he was here, she'd be telling me I'm talking about the spot. Yeah, that is one theory of love. It was a sun cream that did it. Can we test if they all died of skin cancer, basically? And if they did, I think we're onto something. Well, it could be that you could just spend more time outside, generally. Yeah, OK. You mentioned ochre. Coca-Cola is often used as a tanning lotion. This is really stupid. But it's true. I thought this is probably one of these things the media's made up as a thing. And internet. There's like two people who have done it in one country. Exactly. And then it becomes a thing globally. That's what I thought. Because Coke have on their website a thing. They have an FAQ section. And one of the FAQs is, can I tan myself nicely by rubbing Coke all over myself? And so they have to say-- They don't have to say anything. It's too obvious for words. They choose to say, as much as we love Coca-Cola, we wouldn't recommend using it this way. There's no sun protection factor at all. It would protect you. But would it stay new? So that's why it's cool, so I believe, is because of its brown color. And people think, therefore, it does make you browner. And Peter Andre used to cover himself in Coke on my-- And I did go on some social media sites. And I just can't tell if everyone's being ironic. But they don't seem like they're being ironic. People are just pouring cans of Coke over themselves. But they're just piece of sarswork. I think I'll be even more effective with this. That was really awesome. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] I think I have memories of seeing friends do that in Australia. It's been going off a decade. It's a miss that's lasted so long. It is sticky, but then you wash yourself afterwards. So it's-- What was the point that it comes off? No, no. Are you saying you've turned in the interview? Is this to help yourself get a turn? Yeah. It's not to block a turn. No, it's to get a turn. Right, right. It's like gravy granules during the war. Yeah. People did that, didn't they? Yep. They would throw up gravy granules on themselves. And then you just draw a seam to be the seam on your stocking or your tight, you know? On the back of your leg. Oh, yes, that's right. With a pencil or something. You draw all your clothes on to go around naked now and after this. Because I was wearing an invented one in 1950. [LAUGHTER] It's not. It's in the animal theory. It's really obvious. There is a big idea out there. And I think it's a little bit unclear in the real world whether this is true or not that Suncream is very bad for coral, right? Oh, yeah. And you see this a lot. And some beaches have even said, no, you're not allowed to go in if you've got Suncream on. Why do you think band at one point? Tile out the shore. There are various places. And actually, I think it is a bit unclear whether in the real world the amount of Suncream that actually enters the water, considering how big and diluted it will be in the ocean, whether it's genuinely bad for coral. But there is a Suncream that has been developed at the University of Derby, which is actively good for coral, which is nice. So it's like sort of, we've basically coral steroids in there. And-- What, do you rub it on coral? No, you rub it on you and then you swim near the coral, I think. Oh, really? But you don't rub it on the coral. OK, fine. Have they tested it on coral, which are animals? [LAUGHTER] Oh, god, no idea. Do you think Suncream is better for you if it's more expensive or cheaper? More expensive, of course. Yeah. Which, the consumer group did a report in 2022 where they looked at some SPF 30 sun creams. Some of them were really, really posh expensive ones. And some of them were from supermarkets, so Morrison's Superdrug and Azda. And they found that the claimed protection was way more often correct from the supermarket ones than it was from the super posh ones. Was it? Was it? Yeah. Was it sometimes incorrect? Because I did read that a lot of the SPF is sort of really faulty. They found that these expensive ones were very, very commonly incorrect. Really? But the cheaper brands usually. And of course, there will be different ones. And I'm not saying that you should all go out by the cheapest one you can find. But yeah, the cheap ones tended to be more or less correct. Oh, interesting. So you get spray, Suncream, obviously. Sometimes. And usually that protects you from burning, but it can cause you to burn really badly. Oh, no. Interesting. You don't put it on as carefully. If you're spraying it, you miss it. Well, yeah, some people don't rub it in properly. They just allow it to absorb. No, no. So aerosols, you need something like alcohol or something to make it turn into spray. And that's incredibly flammable. So if the spray isn't controlled well enough to make sure that as soon as the alcohol in it or whatever the flammable substance is lands on your skin, it evaporates, then it will be extremely flammable. You catch fire. You catch fire. So a banana boat, Suncream, had to recall a bunch of Suncreams a few years ago. This is exactly what we did in our Suncream. Oh, sorry. Five people burst into flames. Did they really? Yeah, they did. They did. I'm sorry. People caught fire. It was generally if they're doing barbecues or they're writing a cigarette or something. Oh, really? Spray the Suncream on. And if you are too quick to go and toss those sausages on the barbie, it-- well, it's like using an aerosol spray. Like hairspray, I guess, right? Like hairspray. So usually it means that the valves must have let out a bit too much of the spray and been faulty until they allow it to catch fire. But do be careful. Spray stuff interestingly comes out in your thoughts, not in your poo. 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