No. 1 Cartel Expert on The 3 “Ground Zeroes” of the Mexican Cartel Occult | Ed Calderon

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Kind of hard to spot, unless you're flying over them. Big-ass ocean. So, some of them would get through. But now they're autonomous. They're being dragged by a bigger boat. And if something happens or somebody's about to be seeing them or anything, they get released. And then they go off on their way. GPS location is already active in them. They have math in them where they're going to go towards somewhere. And then get picked up somewhere else. These are probably very. There's a lot of them probably out there somewhere. They're hard to spot. Unless you're. You're looking for them. And I don't see a lot of the interdiction stuff that we're seeing out there kind of falling into that line. These are some of the older ones. But I think they found, yeah, like an unmanned one. I think when it comes to, like, again, drones. Yeah, we might not even have a picture of that yet. It might be classified. It's out there. But these are drone. These are, like, again, drones. They have changed everything. Basically, Dave, go here and just put math in it and it'll. Yeah. Is that what you're looking at? A low-profile, unmanned, semi-submersible vessel sits between two Colombian Navy boats off the coast of Tayrona Park near Santa Maria, Colombia. Dave just put that on the screen for everyone to see. That's from 2025. This is a drone narco sub equipped with Starlink antenna. Nice to see Elon enter in the game. Oh, Starlink? For the first time in the game. Oh, Starlink? In the Caribbean. The cartels use Starlink. It's everywhere. I love Elon. Big fans. It's everywhere. That's one version of it. I'm pretty sure there's some other version of it out there that actually goes below the water and gets dragged by another boat. And it has a buoyancy thing, so it levels itself so it could just go underwater and just go to where it needs to. Now, that might be one of the ways it's going across. Tunnels are another way. Tunnels. Yeah. They just found a pretty big one in Tijuana. And it came out on like a dollar store on the other side that was apparently being utilized as a giant front for cocaine smuggling. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. So these active tunnels are probably a lot of them. There's no way of telling how many, but there's probably many of them. Yeah, this is the one they found. This is what you're looking for? Yeah. This is the tunnel they just found. Dude, deep is just like a machine. I mean, that's a pretty sophisticated one. 900 foot tunnel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's probably just one of many. Like, if you're going to make one of those, just why not make a few? That's mining level equipment being utilized for this. I don't know if it has it, but there's one video where they have. I think one of those guys is going to. Like, put himself on the little track they had in there and just, like, zoom away. Maybe they're hiring the guys in Brooklyn to do it, you know? Maybe. They're pretty good at it. It's mostly people who have been laid off or scared off some of the mining operations in Mexico. They're pretty hard to manage right now because they get killed working in some of those mining events. This is from two weeks ago, Dave? Yeah. Am I reading that right? Yeah, this is recent. He's got another one. U.S. finds huge tunnel. That's the one I'm talking about. Oh, look at the ramps. I may or may not know one of those guys. It's the. 589 meters. That's one of many. So the issue is you have two giant urban sprawling areas right next to each other on a water. Perfect for tunneling. Now. Is it coming out at a car wash? It's like a dollar store, like a strip mall where they found it. Saul Goodman's right upstairs. Yeah, yeah, come right through. But so, like, how do you. How do you fight that? I don't know. Ground penetrating radar doesn't work in that soil type. I think I've heard many solutions that they've tried, but, like, realistically, it is one of those, like, conundrums. They go straight down and then they go straight. So, like, it's hard to spot. A lot of them are being hidden in, like, new constructions and construction sites. Tijuana right now is going through an explosion of money coming into it. It's the new Hong Kong. Right, because you were talking about all those skyscrapers and stuff. Yeah, all the Americans that don't want to live in California anymore, they don't want to pay all that. They're living in California-stan? Yeah, and they're going into Tijuana-stan. Nice. Different kind of stan. Eh, it's cooler. Better tacos, better tacos. I'm sure there's better. There's got to be better tacos. Come on. Tijuana has the best tacos in the world. Fight me. It's the real thing. It's like saying you got better pasta in America than Italy. Like, go fuck yourself. The competition there is fierce, so, like, tacos are amazing there. But. Uh. A lot of this construction, a lot of this money being poured into it. Obviously, there's some. People want to think of Tijuana as pacified in a lot of ways. I was there for the open warfare in Tijuana. And right now, what you'll see is, like, assassinations and killings amongst each other. Sales points, people involved. But it's pretty gentrified, you know? But as you see, it's still. The biggest drug route in the world. Oh, it's insane. Going into California. Yeah. The other one being Texas. These tunnels, though, are they also equipped with, like, air filtration shafts and things like that? Air conditioning? Ventilation and electrified. Some of them, not all of them. Some of the older ones, I got to see a few directly. Like, go in it? Yeah. Is it scary? It's, like, kind of tight, right? Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. But I was a young guy, and I didn't have a choice. So. Don't ever say Ed's not about that life. I mean, he's lived it. I'm Mexican Forrest Gump, as I tell people. I completely agree. But what you see with some of these tunnels and the way that they're built, there was rumors about them. We, like, early on when we started finding them, a lot of them were linked to El Chapo Guzman. El Chapo Guzman was, like, he figured it out. Remember his prison tunnel? I mean, holy shit, it had a motorcycle. The same people that built that prison tunnel were the same people that built that prison tunnel. They were the same people that were building tunnels on the border. Innovators. The quickest and safest way to build a tunnel is this shape. Like an arc with a tip on the top. You know, so you don't get cave-ins, and you can't put a support structure inside of the tunnel. So when you see the cave system, the shaft they made for them to escape the prison, it was this shape. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what you see in a lot of the tunnels we started to find. How long would it take? I don't know. This might be a little bit too exact of a question. I know you're not the tunnel builder, but, like, if I'm building a 589-meter tunnel like that, how many years am I spending? A year or two? Maybe a year or two. That's not crazy. It's not crazy? And also, like, okay, you build this tunnel, which is going to cost you what? And labor and equipment. Right. A few million, maybe? And also, now you have to trust the people that are building it to not fucking reveal what you're doing. So your crew is going to be very small. So it's a labor-intensive thing. And what we would hear is that they would build these. They would have a cell that is just specifically constructing. And you can only work in that cell if they have your whole life in their hands, basically. We know where your family is. If you want to run, we know where your parents live and that type of shit. So they trust you in that way. Trust you. Well, we heard, and there's rumors and stories about there, like, oh, they finished a tunnel. Cool. Well, we need to pay them. They get to live. Or we don't need anybody revealing our secrets. A lot of people got laid. Mexico had a giant silver mining industry for years, and a lot of it just started dying out. And a lot of those people basically went over to work in this realm. That tunnel, the interesting thing about that tunnel is that tunnel was actually linked to the New Generation cartel, not the Sinaloa cartel. The five. 589 meter one. Yeah. So they're in that business now, too. That's what I've heard, that that was linked to them. And if that's true, then that means we have an active presence of the new generation cartel right at the border, and they've been using that tunnel. From the way I see the construction and the cement and how new all of it is, maybe like five years old, four years old maybe, but who knows how much money you think you can make out of one of those tunnels. A lot. What can you put through? What can you bring back? Yeah. Anything. This goes back to what you were talking about, about the U.S. selecting the janitor, the middle intendant, or the high-up guy. When 9-11 happened, and these are stories that I heard before. This is more from before my time. When 9-11 happened, I was in medical school trying to figure that out. And then when I went to the, I went to the academy and I heard stories from the older guys that were around for that. They told me that the people smugglers and everybody on the border were called by somebody high up, and they were told to immediately report anything Arabic in their area. Anything that smelled of Arabic or Islamic. And they'd be treated better. No, they would be grabbed. No, no, no. I'm not saying the people they reported, but I'm saying in exchange for saying, hey, you throw us a bone, call us this, take some stuff across the border. Maybe. I mean, that was. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're the United States and 9-11 just happened and you're worried about your border, it's interesting that they decided to call not only the government. The Sopranos. But they called at least one of them. Remember the Sopranos episode where the FBI agents go to Tony? Yeah. And they're like, hey, these Arabic guys is right after 9-11. Literally, these Arabic guys in your club, if you give us some information, you know, I'll be out in a little bit. Same kind of deal. Something like that happened probably with the Sinaloa cartel. Interesting. And if you look back at the history of the Sinaloa cartel, like Elmayo Zambada, Elmayo Zambada had a very interesting connection to somebody who was around for the Bay of Pig incident. Which guy was that? He was dating his sister. I don't remember his name, but he was somebody involved in. He was, I think, a former Cuban police officer that was involved. And some CIA type shit, probably. And realistically, Elmayo Zambada learned his tradecraft in Los Angeles. So the Sinaloa cartel is also an American cartel. In Los Angeles? What's the story there? He was in Los Angeles trying to figure shit out for himself. And he learned some tradecraft there as far as how to move things around and where money could be made. How old was he? 30, maybe? Probably in his 30s. Okay. And you want to think about it. He was one of the most successful ones at it because he started young and he got arrested or abducted. When he was pretty old. Yeah. He has a lot of health issues. He was pretty much on his way out, I think, physically. So this probably caught him at the right time as far as him needing some medical attention. I posted an interview with Luis Chaparro. I posted this interview with a cartel guy where he was speaking about Elmayo having built a truck trailer with a medical facility inside of it. So if he ever had any issues, he would just drive this moving hospital into a ranch somewhere and get an operation if he had to. Straight out of like a fucking. Wow. Yeah. Chapo Guzman was operating in one of those. Apparently, he almost fucking died. They were trying to kill the doctor that almost killed him, but he was the compadre of the Elmayo, so he couldn't do that. That's a movie script scene right there. It's a whole world story. Talkspace is the number one rated online therapy, bringing you professional support from licensed therapists and psychiatrists that you can access. Talkspace is the number one rated online therapy, The world may feel uncertain and out of control at times, but one thing you do have control over is taking care of your mental health. Talkspace makes it easy to start. 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I'm going to mention the six letters again, but Mexico has been like a proving ground for a lot of these information and intelligence-gathering products from Israel that have now kind of been growing and growing exponentially into camera systems in different places, airports, people's movements being tracked. It's harder to hide now, specifically with the United States flying overhead. Yeah, we just came back from Europe, and when you go through security now, it's all just, you don't even hand your passport over. At customs, it's just a facial recognition. It's a robot, yeah. That's everywhere. That's going to become the whole thing. Yeah, going right to Peter Thiel's hard drive. What do you think of it? I don't like Peter Thiel. I posted about him. I don't like him. I thought you were posting a picture of you. You looked a little different. Yeah, I saw that. Somebody tagged me. They were like, man, I need to figure that out. But he is, like, did you see that guest list he had? Yes. That's everybody at every level. It's the same thing. It's Bilderberg, which he's a part of. Same kind of thing. And also, the fact that a hacker just, found all that information on his website is pretty great. God bless those people. But, again, Banana Republic shit. Yes. You see the, did you see the schedule? Yeah, like, Build-A-Cult was one of them. I mean, this was a full week schedule. There's like 45, Deef has it. There's like 45 things on there. There was a dating one. Yeah. Build-A-Cult. Getting Ready for World War III. Bunker. Building, I think, was another, like, yeah, here it is. Right here. Can we just zoom in, Deef, so I can read a couple of them? I'm not going to read all 45. I mean, and. Beyond Incompetence, SARS-CoV-2. And I just want to put this out there. Just like Americans are fascinated about cartel stuff and shit like that. Like, oh, look at these cartel guys being, like, we're like, when we see this shit, like, holy shit. The Illuminati is real. Yeah. Psychedelic Tea Party. New World. We Can and Must Settle Mars. Case Closed. ESP is Real. How to Settle Mars. How to Steal an Election. That's a three-hour course. Apocalypse. Didn't he do, like, these Antichrist things? Oh, yeah. He did a lecture quietly about the Antichrist right in the shadows of the Vatican right there. And, like, what are we doing? What are you seeing, Deef? I'm seeing a few weird ones here. America's Church, Westboro. The Westboro Baptist. Oh, yeah. Look, Megan Phelps, Roper's talking. What the fuck? Baby Factory, The Future of Fertility, and The Case for Natalism. I mean. The Bright Side of Nicotine. You might be able to get behind that one. Yeah. I'll attend that one. Yeah. Vanilla Ice Cream Break. A Safe Space. Oh, Peter Thiel called something a safe space. That's very not on brand for him. It's very weird. UFO Summoning. See that? Right here. after breakfast. that's another question i have like again i i'm here to represent mexico i guess in a lot of ways how to pay for and i'm talking to the united states and you guys are representing the united states what the fuck is going on with all this alien shit dude listen i said this and i'm i i'm sticking to it based on what i've seen because you know i care about this like it's one of those interesting things ever yeah but when they came out i believe on somewhere around february 20th so think seven eight days before we invaded iran and you know 20 some days into the epstein tranche 2 crisis and we're like we've been aliens in the pentagon to release the alien shit i was just like this is shiny object in your face everybody look here and if you've seen these ufo vials there is nothing of note in there that we haven't seen before that doesn't look totally my favorite thing is the star-shaped one which is obviously a flare with a parachute behind it but for me it's like you are we're all on we're all eating bananas right now is it just yes okay okay you're a hundred percent right i'm just i'm asking willing to say that i'm asking all of us in mexico are like like sitting on the fence looking over here like what the fuck are you doing no it's it is the fairest question ever and it's like we were talking about in what's probably the last episode now where you know it's just another sign of banana republic time type shit and then you see you talk about like people who might say oh the illuminati's real like what i mean this is like kind of the gay illuminati but like you know it's a it's part of the illuminati it's it's something so so again questions when you see epstein yeah yeah uh when you see this yeah when you see uh the owner of microsoft saying that epstein was like trying to pressure him to do some shit because he knew that he had a venereal disease and he gave it to us like um who do we who do we put in prison how do who do you go after is was it just epstein in the middle of this just doing all this shit was he being utilized by somebody higher up and again we on my end i'm like like who who who who do we turn to right great question who do we turn to is my question when i saw the election of andres manuel lopez obrador in mexico i i knew that he was a punishment by the people towards political class he was like fuck all these guys this guy's gonna drain the swamp you know heard that one before brother and and then you you see this and yeah there's something that are changing uh you know some things are moving i don't know i i don't see it here but then you see this shit yeah so i don't i don't howard letnick standing next to trump at the g7 a week before he's sitting courtside at the next game like nothing happened after he paid five million dollars to the fucking super PAC that supports the GOP congress before he had to testify about the fact that he lied about everything about epstein in the past and did it on camera last summer on a podcast with a concocted long beautifully told dramatic story when in fact the whole time he's been his neighbor at fucking which is public information i'm not boxing and books so mark that dude so i don't get in trouble you know it's like yeah it's it makes me sick and i i've said this now a few times in the last week on some different podcasts but i want to emphasize this don't give these people what they want by when they're out in public doing anything illegal getting physical with them or anything like that do not do that that is exactly what they want so they can say look at the fucking bread and circus masses who are just barbarians but when people like that show their face in public practice their face in public and they're not going to be able to do that your first amendment right with your hands to yourself far enough away from them to heckle them and let them know we will not forget like the the this is the thing ed if howard lutnick after he was caught lying went and did his testimony that week and then resigned in shame and went home don't get me wrong and i have no fucking respect for him the guys just come back but i'd let it go the hubris it takes to be a billionaire who not only does that but then diminishes it pretends it's not really a big deal and continues on in his job as commerce secretary after paying off the people to help stay in the job right there who have to listen to your testimony fuck you yeah uh i gave you a prediction of who's going to be the next president of mexico yep do you have a prediction of who's going to be the next president of the united states you i mean so i i have a i think i have a 2032 prediction okay i said this to alessi al-amon who you know he used to be on the board here and and works with me on the content side now and does an amazing job running the second and third channels i said to him three years ago i said i have about a two to five percent confidence interval on this but i said probably not 2028 but 2032 i don't say this is a political statement i just said this is analytical and i think my confidence level is closer to 10 percent now 2032 i could see candace owens running as a democrat yeah boomerang yeah i could see that but other than that i got nothing for you it's a wide open fucking everybody sucks you know yeah no yeah i get it i don't get a lot of shit for that prediction because people think that's crazy and that's fair but yeah it's a fucking throw it on the board look at the pieces on the board and say it's getting interesting out here no tucker so i've i've said this too i just don't think tucker will do it but i've said if tucker runs and if they don't kill him and those are two really big ifs yeah he'll be president in 2028 i just don't i do not think he'll do it because of the two things i just said but you know he the thing about tucker regardless of what you think about like his political stance is just on a broad 30 000 foot view in the air when you look at that he can run to the right of woke and to the left of the neocons yeah that's an interesting sweet spot it's he's he's he's writing a line that is a very interesting one he just had candace on yeah and that's for me like viewing that separation like he was like something happened with the charlie kirk thing uh i think that's the beginning of this weird separation i saw within the room i don't know i don't think that's the beginning of the separation within the right out here which is the right the right i don't know i think that was the fight that was the like just looking at it analytically that was the boom moment because then they just said oh here's what happened we're good everyone go to this fucking wwe funeral and that's the end of it but there was a real fracture happening before that generationally yeah and i think tucker has picked the populace there on that fracture and that fracture does have to do with these wars that's why like i think we're in for another punishment like another boat to punish and i think like and and also can we agree that there's no way that anybody can end up in the presidency now if not being a celebrity somehow i think that that's just no more analysis i don't think we're going to see another obama showing up like this unknown politician just being groomed and like put forth i think there has to be somebody that's been cultivating themselves i don't think we're going to see another obama showing up like this unknown politician just being groomed and like put forth i think there has to be somebody that's been cultivating themselves so you could be in the running get the fuck out i will so i don't like saying never on things i will never ever run for public office it's exactly what you should yeah no not interested that's interesting for me it's like looking around the room the influence that you have that people that speak like you have and the ability for you to make somebody say like hey you know what this guy is jiving with me on a daily basis when i listen to him so let me just vote for this person i think that's what i'm looking at now is like where are we going to pull these new candidates from it can't be traditional people who are linked to all the shit in the past because there's a lot of sin in the past now a lot of people who are involved with other countries and all this other shit so who who are the outsiders in this political class yeah i you know what tell me what you think of this but you know we've seen mom donnie win on like a people's campaign in new york and he's got some fucking crazy politics that i think is nuts he's not if you just look at like the strategy of him as like a brand obviously he did a brilliant job yep and he's turned him himself into kind of a celebrity from the politician's side i do still think that's possible for like a someone who is not say an influencer or a commentator or a celebrity like from hollywood or something like that who is coming from the political side but makes them into that modern day obama celebrity i could see that happening i just i agree with you the chips are more stacked against that side yeah now for sure like mark cuban has a better shot at like i don't know if that's a good example but you get my point like has a better shot at like creating a political brand tomorrow and self funding the beginning of it at least then you know some politician that needs to go ask for grassroots donations yeah i don't know if that's a good example but you get my point like has a better shot at like creating a political brand tomorrow and self-funding the beginning of it at least then you know some politician that needs to go ask for grassroots donations do you think that any sort of support of israel is going to be politically bad it's a political death now and that which means that you just cut out almost every single politician in the united states i think not all all of them because some of them are it's it's getting so unpopular that some are actually able to do some. Now, people right away say, well, Thomas Massey just got voted out. Here's the thing about Thomas Massey's election. It was a primary just on the right side. It was a closed primary. So you have to be a registered Republican. The lowest turnout votes in America, regardless of the attention on them or not, are always primary votes in Congress and stuff like that. That's not like the presidential race. And the people who vote in those elections statistically the most are the very old people. And those are the people who are watching like the Mary Madison ads on Fox News. So Ed Galrain was able to win. And like you could probably see that coming. But if you think that that's going to be like a long term trend in main elections, I think you're nuts. I think that I think that the Epstein issue and right now the actions of the current Israeli government are. Two of the most bipartisan kumbaya positions in the history of modern history, at least in this country. Yeah. You know, and it's not that, by the way, it's not to say like I need to therefore treat Israel as my number one enemy or something like that. No, but we need to unwind the influence. We need to be our own country. We need to stop listening to them to go fight their wars and do shit like that. And we need to have things like AIPAC register under FARA and not give foreign aid. We need to have their weapons so they can bomb other people. That's their business if they're going to do that. And I'll disagree with it. Okay. Another question is me being a representative of Mexico right now. Let's say that happens. That influence goes away. And, you know, you don't have that influence anymore. You don't get drawn into any foreign wars that aren't your own. You don't get sent. You don't have to send your kids out there anymore. As a country. Now what? You know, no wars. Like you, you have, you have the decision making here. Mm-hmm. No more, no more foreign wars. What would you do as an American, as an American country now? Like, let's see, like, what are we going to focus on now? So I think there's two answers there. Number one is I'm not a pure isolationist. And here's what I mean by that. I think war is hell. I think it is a, the last scenario you ever want to go to. It is, it is hell on earth. But I recognize that the world is a really fucked up, complicated place. And there is a time and place where something is going to happen. And I think that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's something like that may be necessary. I think that the actions that we've gotten into, though, in recent history have not been at that bar. Yeah. Okay. The second thing is, and this is a really dark part of human nature, but there's moments in the studio that sometimes it won't be a moment that like people out there pick up on as much, but like, I'm in here with people and it'll like, really, like when it's happening, I'm like, whoa, chills. Like, holy shit. Wait, what the fuck was that? And one of the biggest ones that ever happened for me was, you know, I'm in here with people and I'm like, whoa, chills. Like, holy shit. The second time I talked with Andy Bustamante, who's definitely still in the CIA back in summer 2022 for episode 107, we got drunk on whiskey that episode. We're just going back and forth for three and a half hours and maybe like an hour, 45, hour, 50 minutes in, he does this thing where he like, we're going back and forth on some and he goes, we need an enemy that we can all coalesce around. And this is a very politically divisive, like crazy time. This is when we're coming out kind of of like the pandemic stuff and people are all pissed at each other here. He's like, we need an enemy that we can all agree on. And there is something really dark in human nature in large groups and in these stories that we call countries around the world where unfortunately that's always true. And the other unfortunate part is that nine times out of 10, where we decide to pick one, it's a totally unnecessary one. Yeah. And so I don't really. I don't really know what to do with that, because that is our nature, but that's not what I want. Like, I don't want to look at other people as like, I want to find why you're an enemy. That's the most fucked up thing ever. I mean, look at the job I do. I make friends with people around the world. That's why I wouldn't be a good leader, by the way. That's just not my role because those guys have to make some decisions sometimes where you have to look for the bad before you look for the good in people. And I don't like that. On my end, I was programmed when I was young. To look for enemies in that way and to view shit with suspicion and to view other people as threats. Was that programmed from in your house or.? That was programming from my training. Okay. Right? And also trauma and all the bunch of shit that went on in my head. 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Then I went around the country and I think I've seen most of the United States except Alaska and Hawaii. Then Cuba later. Don't worry about it. Then Mexico. Then Venezuela. Then Venezuela. Then Greenland. Maybe Canada. But what I realize is the United States is very segmented. You go to Kentucky and that's one thing, which I lived there for a bit. You go to Texas is another. California is another. And they're all like think that they, you know, it's the same thing that I found in Mexico. Mexico is three Mexicos. Northern Mexico, where all the conservatives are, Central Mexico, where all, that's our California. And then Southern Mexico, which is completely forgotten. That's our South, I guess. You, I encountered, but what I did encounter here in the US was like a lot of kindness, openness, curiosity, and safety in a lot of places. I know, well, except Baltimore. I don't like Baltimore. But other than that, but other than that, you know, walking down the street here with you and I I looked around a lot. I don't know if you've noticed that. It's not because I'm suspicious about this place. It's because I'm traumatized. I come from a country where there's a lot of shit that happened to me. And I have that trauma and I carry it with me. This country has trauma itself. And I don't think the US and people from this country don't realize that they have that trauma. They have a trauma of being on top. Right? Complacency. Yeah. We're at the top. We're the cultural center. We are the winners. We have the World Series that only we play in. There's a lot of that going on. And if I could advise. anything of any american out there listening to this travel ed i want to go to mexico but i think it's unsafe baltimore is unsafe you know i'll take you to my hometown in tijuana it'll be safe as shit there it's not because i'm going to be with you it's just because you're not going to be selling drugs in a street corner and you're not going to be wearing a cartel regalia on you and we can go about and eat some of the best tacos in the world you won't want to leave a lot of americans don't leave that's why they're down there so whatever you were sold about mexico is that being this scary ass fucking place well you have to tell that to all the americans are living down there the and have their dreams down there so that's one thing i would ask them travel go see it for yourself go see it for yourself i'm afraid i think all these cartels are going to get me nobody wants you they don't want you they don't want you they don't want you probably don't bring your truck if you're going to some of these spicy places because they're going to steal it you but other than that you know just just go go travel talk to people yes just like i did when i came up here i don't think everybody up here is a cool class clan member or like or that everybody there's going to be school shootings everywhere here if you look at it from the outside that's what you would think i actually did meet a clan member california out of all places beside the point a grand dragon in fallbrook fallbrook california they have like anyways um now you're like an enemy too right yeah yeah they looked at me mexicans they're like like he can't pass you can't at least you at least you speak our language correctly you know um if if if the the i guess what i've seen is there's a trauma in as you say every generation we get a new enemy yes i had a surreal moment at one point when i was brought in to advise for um a military program where they were training people to go into foreign countries right and they were part of the hunter program that the marine corps used to have and a lot of their training was based around islamic terrorism which is not in fashion anymore not really right and they brought me in because they wanted to see a perspective of what the future enemy might bring and i was like oh that's cool i know a little bit about you know cartels that you like that is that your future enemy it dawned on me though when they when i was given the introduction this is ed calderon and he comes from mexico he did 12 years of counter narcotics work down there this is a subject matter expert on this and this and this and he's a pretty good representation of our next enemy and he said as the guy was a muslim he has a muslim background he says you're you guys are it now yeah as they slapped me on the back um wow and when you hear a lot of the rhetoric that was politically spouted uh during these last few administrations and i'm not just saying out of the right you know obama deported a shit ton of people oh yeah so this is this isn't a right or left thing this is the united states thing where we're sold the enemy immigration is the enemy they're here to steal our jobs what jobs are we stealing the united states has another drug problem which is illegal immigration cheap labor you're addicted to it it's there's a reason why immigration is a problem it's a reason why immigration is a problem it's because people at certain places in the government and certain places that pay for some of these political figures and donate to some of these political parties do not want to have cheap labor um banned or taken away uh they they don't want to regulate that shit because they've been living off it for years covid epidemic hit there was no produce shortages in the aisles so are we saying that illegal immigration was essential workers back then um there's a lot of people in mexico that want to work there's a lot of people up here that don't um very real yeah yeah yeah i mean they've talked about that before and it gets like stamped on things like a little bit too stereotypically sometimes but there is something in like whether it's mexicans or other communities that are coming here illegally legally whatever like where there's some job jobs that societally we don't want to do and they will and that there's something real about that history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme yes i've heard the same stories from uh italian americans and they're and the way they came up i've heard the same stories from irish americans um i've hears different stories from people from across the world that come to this country and they're trying to figure things out i'm i'm i've just got here you know i've heard the same stories i did my due diligence and i did everything through my legal channels that i had to go through and my daughter's here she's an american she's a third generation american now um in my mind i i like to think that there is something to the whole aspect of this experiment that was uh a bunch of weirdos throwing tea into the ocean and being the taliban of that era the taliban of that era oh fuck yeah you were revolutionary fuckers you're doing throwing tea fucking scalping fuckers in the hills learning from the natives how to be scouts doing this warfare dude i watched the patriot that was probably a documentary right i don't know there was something going on there um one of my favorite movies ever the the bill of rights the constitution reading it as somebody that's not from here is it does something to me at least really i didn't have it that when i where i'm from it's like hey i can buy a gun keep it in my house and defend my property and my family and not have to depend on a corrupt institution that might be or not might be working with the government or the cartels which may be the same thing uh and i can you know they have that and also i can start a company you know i came here with nothing i have 12 employees now i can't fulfill a dream like that anywhere else in the world this is still here this is still it's still here if you hungry you can buy a gun keep it in my house and defend my property and my family and not have to depend on a corrupt institution that might be or not might be working with the government or the cartels which may be the same thing and i can you know they have that and also i can start a company you know i came here with nothing i have 12 employees now i can't fulfill a dream like that anywhere else in the world this is still here this is still it's still here if you hungry if you want to work if you want to put in the effort there's opportunity here that's the thing it's like as bad as some things are and i'm not minimizing it we talk about it a lot here there's some shit that is rotten in the core yes the fact that we still have something that like people from around the world want to be a part of tells me that the rebuild could be amazing because the baseline is already very much still there and we cannot lose that yeah uh like yeah the what is still there is there's still an experiment or what is left of an experiment that started long ago that's right when a bunch of weirdos showed up to this place and said like hey we just want to figure our own shit out we don't want to be bothered by a fucking monarch somewhere across the ocean what was it beware of foreign influence that's what washington said we don't want to be fucking bothered with a foreign influence we want to govern ourselves we want to figure out how to have our civil liberties we want to figure out how to defend ourselves well-regulated militia bro ar-15s are for people as i as one of the isis said i don't know if the q or t but one of them said that that's a pretty it's a pretty yeah it is um i think there's no other place in the world where you and me can have a conversation as openly as this and even within this conversation we're being very careful about a few things that should be a red flag and an alarm for people out there that some of us are not as able to be speaking freely as we could or would 20 years ago 30 years ago um and um you know what are we arguing about what are we fighting for what are we what are most of my veteran friends depressed about is that they were sold the fact that they were fighting for something that turned out to be what we're living through now sure yeah i i will say this ed you know there's been some catastrophic errors within the current administration and i think politically we've been in a really bad place on both sides of the aisle for a long time now i do always try to find like oh there's one bright spot or something like that i was doing that with biden when he was in office and one bright spot with trump to this point i'm not point that is at least better off the baseline is that i can tell you being haven't been in this job for six and a half years we're more able to talk about things now yes than we were three years ago yes it was scary i could some things i could tell you that my experience on social media and being banned and taken off all these platforms that's completely changed as well so i will have to say that and again we're living through an event that is changing things in my home country and whatever the motivations are for this that's something that's happening you know um that people have lived with and thought was never going to change and in some way shape or form is changing um i think for me the worry is this at some point as you say we're going to pick the wrong enemy and if you decide as a country that is a good idea to invade mexico you're going to awaken something You're going to awaken something that I don't think as a country we're ready for. A war on our borders, a mass migration that is going to dwarf anything that you saw in Syria and Europe, and a cultural moment as a country when a lot of the citizens in this country who have blood, who have family, who self-identify themselves as Mexican in one way, shape, or form, who are part of our police forces, a vast majority of our military service members, a lot of them are Mexican of Mexican descent, Border Patrol, which is interesting enough. What's going to happen there? People talk about all these possible civil wars. Or civil strife events that might happen in the future. I watched that movie. That was a pretty cool movie. But I don't see it. I don't see it that's going to play out that way. I think if we make the mistake of making an enemy out of this neighbor that we have on the southern border, which I'm from there, and I know them well. I know them well because I'm one of them. And I get paid right now to teach people up here how to fight. In wars. Because they realize that I had a pretty good university. I had the best university in the past 20 years in the world. Mexico is that. And I can tell you, by being there, learning from these people, being one of them, fighting in these places, they're going to bring the fight to you. Yeah. So all of this to say, ground invasion or interference of that level by the United States. And Mexico is not the best course of action. It should be avoided at all costs. Completely agree. Also, it gives me a little bit of hope. I haven't, whether it be on camera or with people I talk with off camera, I haven't talked to one special forces guy or one guy from the bureaucracy or something like that or from the political world who's gung-ho on doing something like that. I've talked to people who are like, yeah, declaring the cartels terrorist, organization gives us some interesting freedoms to be able to do stuff. But like the beef is not, like you don't think about Claudia Scheinbaum the way you think about other world leaders that you don't like. It's like kind of like a neutral thing in America. And there's a lot of Americans who don't even know who she is. Yeah. You know, I do take a more positive outlook on that as much problems as we seem to have with certain things like cartels and us on this side having problems with the border and consuming drugs and human trafficking. And all these things, which is on us, it's like those are issues that can be worked out. I truly believe this in other ways. And I couldn't agree more. I think fucking invasion of Mexico would be, forget everything you even just laid out, the economic disaster of that immediately from a trade perspective. Are you fucking kidding me? People don't even realize how connected we are. And it's suicidal to say that and push that narrative out there. And it is, there's a purpose behind it. The division, you know, divide and conquer and all this, all I'm saying is this. A lot of the rhetoric that is being spouted out there on both sides from Mexico and from the United States, I mean, I get called all sorts of shit from both sides. So like, I'm like, fuck. That means you're doing something right. Probably. Yeah. Right. So, mind you, I'm not a supporter of the cartels. I don't want any of that to continue on. It's horrible. It is a. It is monstrous organizations out there. But also some government organizations are monstrous. Absolutely. So like, first off, separate the government from the people. That's one thing. Another, another aspect of this is our, yes, we're neighbors. We're dependent on each other, fucking actually tied to the hip on each other. And the world is becoming a little bit more unfriendly by the day. We need each other more and more as we go. I think we're heading away from globalism and we're heading into this continental euro union of some sort that we're going to try and probably experiment with. That means that in a lot of ways, shapes, and forms, we're dependent on each other. Yes. And as a people and as a society, we have to stop dehumanizing the other side. And Mexico does that a lot with Americans because they, one of the, Mexico, far from God, but close to the United States is something that gets said a lot down there. And now with all the stuff that has come out and all the corruption, all the pedophilia, all this other things, now that's another, that's like all of you are this. Just like all Mexicans are curtail and corrupt. That's right. So that has to stop. It's getting hard out here though with everything. You fall into traps. You see it on social media, especially all the time where whatever the given situation is, there's always just a mass labeling of everything. And it's not to be like fucking woke and be like, we just have to love every single person. That's all I'm saying. Not love, but like, hey, travel, go there. Talk. And what you just said is the most important thing. Separate people from their groups. Separate people from their governments and judge people on an individual basis as well. And that's, I do my best to do that. And your advice about traveling and talking with people, that is the greatest place to start. It is the best investment in the world to travel. If you can, just go. If you're curious about someplace, go. Maybe not some parts of. But like other parts, other parts you can go and I can recommend some spots. I had one of the most mind blowing. I do want to get down to Mexico. I still haven't done that. I do. Let's go. Let's go. Whenever you want. Let's fucking do it. Whenever you want. Let me know where you want to go. Mexico City, Monterey, go to Jalisco. They're fine. Tijuana for the tacos. For the tacos. One of my mind blowing experiences is going to Europe. I've never been there. Last year, I went to Switzerland. How was that? Mind blown, right? For people that need to get my perspective, Tijuana, where you're from. I don't know. You can't flush the toilet paper in the toilet because it'll get stuck because of the tubing is all bad there. So you have to throw it in the basket next to the toilet. There's a giant river of sewer water going right through the city. Again, it's my city. I love it. But I can say that there's some parts of it that we could get better. Infrastructure is all over the fucking place. If you get shot, you go to the private hospital. Don't go to the public hospital. You don't want to go there. The private hospital. Yeah. You have to pay for a private hospital. It's bad. It's just bad. It's Mexico. But then you go to Switzerland. And the quality of everything there. The look they gave me when I walked into a convenience store and asked them what the energy drinks were. They were like, ew. Why would you put that poison in your body? Yeah. Like, grab some of this fucking organic yogurt that we have like 50 options of. Right? Yeah. I'm not saying that we should all be Europe or be Switzerland because they probably hit some Nazi gold in those hills or something. We have to be honest about that. But you know what was funny to me? Is that I spoke Spanish mostly out there. And there's a lot of Spanish speakers there. Or a lot of Europeans that speak Spanish because they have three or four languages. So I would speak English. And I would speak English. And they would be, are you American? No, I'm Mexicano. Oh, Mexican. And they would shit talk about Americans for like a solid moment. Whoa. But my daughter's American. Oh. I'm sorry. No worries. But I'm sorry about the anti-Americanism out there. We've done that to ourselves in some ways. For me, it was wild to hear. Yeah. So I just put that Mexican flag patch on my back. And I was treated differently. But as soon as they would come to conversation, like, Mexico? Yeah. Oh, you have that vecino, which is neighbor. Yeah. What neighbor? I got that a lot. It's an interesting perspective how bad the reputation of this country is globally right now. And how can you repair that? How can you repair that? It has to be long-term actions on things. Not just starting a war that affects a bunch of other places with the reach of ballistic missiles versus us. It has to be. It's fine to negotiate and certainly make sure there's fairness in systems that maybe got out of whack. But there's a way to do it. And there's a diplomatic way to do it. And then on the contrary, it's also like going back to Biden's administration. It's also like have people in there where clearly they actually have some decision-making ability. And they're not just dead for four years. You know what I mean? We've had a full gamut of just bad optics in leadership. Yeah. Obama wasn't a good president. No. He wasn't. Biden wasn't a good president. No. Trump. I'm waiting. He's not a good president. Yeah. Yeah. president right now um so you know i i i am you know again like a parent and then like i have a like i have a stake in this now uh and again the whole aspect of this now evolving into both the vice president and the president openly talking about ground intervention uh and whatever that means you know people should be paying very close attention to it and again the democratization of warfare is in full swing the democratization of warfare yeah i could make a shahi drone in my backyard that could be flown into a substation somewhere in california and people are going to be very upset that's right and when the uh crew that shows up to fix it gets shot with another one they're going to be very upset that's right and if you do that 20 times over no golden dome is going to do anything yeah and i'm not saying that mexico is capable of doing that but it could put that together pretty quickly just like ukrainians did yeah because they already have people that know how to do that because guess who they're getting their drone technology and experience from ukrainians right that's why you're seeing a lot of this show up in mexico it's not an easy fight it's not going to be an easy fight the fights of the past where the us would show up with superior dominance and just like level of place and no this is this is this is the new world you also have to be willing to take it's up to say this but you have to be willing to take 15 to 20 percent wins where you used to try to go for 100 wins yeah because also there's never been such thing as 100 to be clear but that's what people would go for and that's what this country was built on going for forever and it's like an improvement is much better than no movement at all and it's not necessarily a loss that mentality you know that requires some serious psychological shifts though yeah in leadership i mean for me a military victory for the united states is to continue its experiment that would be the biggest biggest military victory the united states could have and right now it's not doing that yeah yeah i just did three podcasts with richard bell jared frederick and the great hw brands is one of the greatest american historians to ever live all surrounding you know the america's 250th and you know going through the history and where this experiment stands and all that and they all have different perspectives which is really cool but it just makes you appreciate hey it's kelly rowland you may not know this but i have eczema so i get how it can steal your time but why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about ebglis ebglis labrakizumab lbkz a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin so i'm going to give you a little bit more detail 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things that could go wrong and then you things that could go wrong and then you things that could go wrong and then you look at some of the places where we have look at some of the places where we have look at some of the places where we have strayed away from that strayed away from that strayed away from that you know this this is a real moment to you know this this is a real moment to you know this this is a real moment to have a look in the mirror and say we've have a look in the mirror and say we've have a look in the mirror and say we've made it this far but damn we are only 250 made it this far but damn we are only 250 made it this far but damn we are only 250 years old we are a young country we are years old we are a young country we are still an experiment and we better figure still an experiment and we better figure still an experiment and we better figure some of this out now i'll give some of this out now i'll give some of this out now i'll give you one of the biggest breakthroughs i had you one of the biggest breakthroughs i had you one of the biggest breakthroughs i had during my therapy that tracks with during my therapy that tracks with during my therapy that tracks with this specific thing this specific thing this specific thing for the longest time i felt pretty for the longest time i felt pretty for the longest time i felt pretty horrible about it all the that i had horrible about it all the that i had horrible about it all the that i had to do to do to do i was stuck in it you know i was stuck in it you know i was stuck in it you know i felt guilty about it grew up catholic i i felt guilty about it grew up catholic i i felt guilty about it grew up catholic i went through some horrible went through some horrible went through some horrible did some horrible i went through alcoholism i was pretty i went through alcoholism i was pretty i went through alcoholism i was pretty horrible to the people around me around horrible to the people around me around horrible to the people around me around that time as well um that time as well um that time as well um somehow some way during that whole somehow some way during that whole somehow some way during that whole process process process this beautiful girl shows up you know this beautiful girl shows up you know this beautiful girl shows up you know my kid my kid my kid and and and she is loved she's like well-liked she's loved she's like well-liked she's class clown she's creative she's class clown she's creative she's class clown she's creative you know she's like uh you know she's like uh you know she's like uh she's like snow white when she goes she she's like snow white when she goes she she's like snow white when she goes she goes out of the house all these birds goes out of the house all these birds goes out of the house all these birds form up because she keeps feeding the form up because she keeps feeding the form up because she keeps feeding the bird seed so all these birds show bird seed so all these birds show bird seed so all these birds show up when she goes out up when she goes out up when she goes out um um um there's no way in hell that that could there's no way in hell that that could could have happened without all the bullshit all that's part of it so all the statue burnings and tearing down statues trying to change history trying to figure out like hey we're not we don't like this anymore let's like and get rid of this shit like i'd say if i could i if i if i if i could like figure something out it would be like hey let's all face the fact that we did a lot of horrible shit as a country we did some fucking and golf of tonkin incident all this shit we did you know but you know but let's what comes next you can't change the past but you can move forward and learn from what you did did wrong yeah all of all that's why i say that this the united states has a traumatized fucking country we're all suffering from trauma um with with uh with where things are going um the dollar is still there how long is that gonna is gonna is that gonna be there i don't know people are talking about fucking cryptocurrencies and all this you know uh what to put your money in gold there's a lot of it coming out from venezuela now so maybe that's gonna be that's that's one of the issues why the united states was somewhat so interested in that to figure out how to stabilize itself with gold um i get scared of these cbdc's i ideas yeah like oh yeah let's give the fed and the world the road to hell with the social credit system like fuck that yeah well that's i think that that specific thing you said is is what i'm afraid of mexico's going that route they are i mean i mean biometrics oh the biometrics if you don't do this you can't get access to that and all that that's that's horrible up here i mean again you want to see the positives that i see up here that's they're still far from that i think maybe i mean i could still get things and not have to worry about having to put my money in gold and stuff like that but i don't think that's gonna be my face and and and shit on stuff i could go to the grocery store and just paying cash that might be going away um it's scary it is scary it is a scary time and we've lived through multiple once in a lifetime events yeah aliens are real maybe i definitely think there are aliens out there to be clear i just think that's shit they're telling us right now it's bullshit i saw some weird shit yeah probably saw some weird shit where in mexico the tijuana what'd you say let's tell the story that's a fucking weird story i don't care it's it's fucking interesting um prefacing all this with this time i was a raging alcoholic uh working double shifts no no breaks i didn't go on vacation for about three years because that was essential yeah uh we used to we used to dress in civilian clothing and just like you know pretend to be drunk or deportees and hang out around sales points where people were selling drugs and then try to grab them you know because they're pretty quick um in one of these cases we got out of the car and we chased like four guys like they all spread out um one of my friends ran after one dude and i just ran after him um weird dude like a tall tall dude leather jacket um have you ever been on uh on one of those like at the airport where you walk on some of those belts where it goes faster and it's like it does some weird shit to your mind where like people seem to be moving so i had one of those feelings with this guy he was like moving quicker than he should and then he went up into this guy what like just like superman Because Levitt hit it up into the sky. this guy and i've seen a bunch of videos of these fucking flying people thing going on like with all this fucking revelation shit like like this these almost like figures of people in the sky have you seen all this stuff in the they might be fake they might be weird um when i experienced that i was in a fucking weird fucking mental place so i realistically to this day i don't know if i was like fucking hallucinating or if it was like a fucking bad trip or something like that the only thing that proves that this happened was that i turned around and my friend was looking up as well oh shit you ever talked to him about it after we couldn't say anything about it because if we got popped for anything psychological we would get our guns taken away now i couldn't have told that story in public in the past but now that we are where we are yeah and there's like shit floating in the sky and we don't know what the fuck's going on that's all flying person i saw somebody go straight up into this guy once and again i don't know if it was real or not i don't know if it was maybe a wire it was like batman fucking helicopter pulled him up into this guy or maybe i wasn't seeing something right i've doubted myself for years around that but recently with seeing all these fucking shit going on i kind of went back to that event uh i don't know i am too of the opinion that there is something going on it's pretty suspicious that is being fucking being used and revealed right now with all the noise going on in the background that is the noise yeah yeah um i don't know also it makes me think that if it's a pretty good psyop it's a great site how do you scare the chinese hey we have a ufo somewhere what we have a ufo somewhere that we anti-gravity something maybe it's real um some of those things display more drone like capabilities it's probably probably some u.s government shit is going on out there maybe they got from something extraterrestrial or i i could see that it's just like what they're giving us publicly like hey look at this that's where i know they're drawing us off the there's a lot of noise and again a lot of noise you know what was our version of that uh in mexico yeah there was a giant devaluation of the peso and there's some shit going on like the fucking economy was in the toilet and then we had the chupacabra chupacabra yeah it's like goat sucker like it was supposedly a green alien that was sucking goats dry in the hills and there was a whole fear campaign around it there was toys around it and shit like that el chupa cabras well speaking of cabra i can't wait to see tupacabra's little mini documentary of the story you just told that's gonna hit hard on twitter but shit a goat sucking alien yeah that's that's what they came up with down there for a while and it went away after the political shit went down so right so that makes me think about the time yeah that makes me think about some some of these things being psyops or not but yeah there's definitely some weird shit in the world yeah i i like talking with the physicists about it the people that look at it based on whatever evidence scientifically they can find like my friend dr david kipping who's over at columbia does an amazing job i had him in for episode 358 and he you know he's looked at exoplanets his whole life which is basically i'm oversimplifying this but finding planets that are extremely far away and looking for intelligent life on them and when you consider just the tip of the iceberg of what we know about the known galaxy and then consider that that is i don't have a mathematical number for you but nowhere near what the size of it actually is of course out there and that's just how i put it as a layman of course there's intelligent life of course there's something else going on you know all the things that had to go right here from an ordinary standpoint for us to be able to exist as we do on this planet are make it a very small chance but when you then look at how big everything else is you know that had to happen in some form somewhere else the question then becomes if they've been here which i'm open to or whether or not this is some form of simulation with all of it which unfortunately i'm really open to you know we're just someone someone else's video game or something like i could see that it's too easy that's too easy it would be too that's what i hope is the case it's it's too easy of an but like i personally believe there had to be a creator that built all this because it's just fucking amazing but you know i just try to separate i don't know i had some moments in here with certain guests where i was like wait a minute that's bullshit where you just try to separate like okay who's coming out and saying things and what are they saying and when are they saying them and why does that feel really weird and why is my gut doing a five alarm fire so let's stay away from that and then let's talk to people like i said like the physicists who are like all right they're looking at evidence here yep you know zeros and ones yeses and noes maybe whatever and i don't know that's more fun for me to talk with those guys yeah but the personal experiences are always i mean mine's mine's weird and whenever i talk about it which i don't regularly talk about it's like i think it's the first time i spoke about it publicly um i always preface it with like hey my i've had injuries but fucking probably kind of drunk maybe because i was like drinking before that night your buddy looking up though is interesting it gives me chills because you when you see something like that you're like nah i didn't see that and it's a good way for your brain to like hey calm down right yeah probably didn't see that but when you turn around your friends look out by the sky the same thing and he's like oh shit so again the the only reason i brought it up is because we see these things like these people up there like floating around and again they might be a whole side up i don't know um might be a whole side up and maybe maybe we're alone in the universe we're special god just made us was that a fake picture of trump the other day i did zero homework on this it was a fake yeah with the two blonde people that's not real right they had them like in the on the in the rose garden talking with two fucking nordics oh yeah there's there's a nordic for this the nordics the insectoids yeah the grays there's some more the ethereal ones apparently like clouds there's a lot of weed yeah my friend max and who i see in my gym every day is always asking me come on man you think this is real and i'm like max i i feel like i'm telling santa claus isn't real with some of this but like at the same time there's other shit you're like you know they wouldn't tell us about this if they knew i mean maybe maybe men in black is based on truth yeah that whole uncanny valley thing we have going on like hey you're not really human i don't know dude i don't know that's another that's another thing like this this there's a lot of noise around that everywhere they they they brought in some of those mummies into congress in new mexico yeah i just had a guy on about that they look they look like these the nazca mummies yeah but but the ones that the specific ones they brought in were like the worst version of those like they look like uh like pinatas yeah will brown did an amazing job he's been on that case like in person at the at the press conferences and stuff for years and you know debunked the entire thing yeah so i i just on my end i'm like there's a shit ton of noise and whenever there is that much noise mexico chupacabras hear the classification of the banana republic welcome to the donkey show welcome to the donkey show uh but you see a lot of that you're like okay so what are they trying to that's the question ed ufo what's behind that ufo i don't know we went from epstein to announcing aliens to iran to missing scientists to more aliens to more iran problems to try to bury epstein but what are they burying that with like yeah it never ends yeah it never ends it never ends well it it will in a few years and somebody else is going to get elected and let's see what else is going to help us all in cover but by the way what was this you put this you just slid this right in here before we got on camera we were hanging out all morning and then right literally right before we press roll on the first episode you put up the la santa muerte yeah and some mexican occult looking stuff what's going on here it's a death card it's a death it's a death card yeah you're trying to make sure i'm dead no um the you know what one of the one of the cultural differences between the u.s and mexico are mexican culture before the spanish came was cyclical cyclical yeah it wasn't about good versus evil or the devil triumphing against god there's not there's no fight against good versus evil it's a cycle people get really good everything gets really amazing people get complacence the devil shows up things get up we get destroyed strong people show up then we go back so we have a very strong relationship to death we don't want to be immortal we're not obsessed with juth not all of us but most of us aren't there's a whole preparation for death this isn't about viewing it as a saint or thinking there's a skeleton in the sky doing enemy favors this is about having death present in your life it's a philosophy it actually comes from catholicism in mexico even though they it turned into something else later the way i learned about it was through my mother um she would say that death was an essential part of the miracle of the crucifixion there is no you know ascension from the underworld for jesus on the third day without death so you have to keep it present um we have this tendency to view ourselves as special individuals and we don't realize that all of us have to die that things have to change that things have to go away that sacrifices need to be made and this country has an obsession with youth yeah uh epstein hasn't been all that shit don't worry about i was thinking but realistically well when you see that when you see that at an exaggerated level yeah that's what you get you know uh for me this is just a reminder that we're here for a while that we're here for that we're here for a for a short while that we don't have a lot of that we don't really have a lot of time to uh we don't really have a lot of time to stay here and that if you're not doing work or working towards leaving a better place than we got you're not really doing a lot that's what that means to me so i'm always thinking about the message i'm always thinking about the end because i need to get things settled for what comes next you were telling me earlier and i remember we we had a nice talk last time you were here where you know we went through a lot of your personal story and and a lot of the hardships you went through and things like that and and your brother dying when you were 13 but you and i were talking off camera today when we were when we were eating lunch about a moment you had with your mom yeah shortly after your brother died where you walked up to the house and your mom was on the porch and smiled and then the smile went away because for a minute she had thought you were your brother yep and you felt like that that you wanted to have that feeling you wanted your mom to have that feeling about you yeah and correct me if i'm wrong here but you were saying that put you on like a i forget the phrase you used but something like that was that was my lightning strike yeah like all of us have one of those i think well at least the cool ones that i've met over the years i've had have a moment like that but it gave you the way you were explaining it almost felt like you were saying it gave you a kind of death wish so that she could have that feeling about you um my middle brother eric was amazing it was a promise one you know his uh funeral was like a concert shit ton of people showed up um i ran away a little bit after that whole event because my mom went kind of psychiatric and at one point i decided to go back home and as i made my way into the street light in front of my house she looked at me with excitement and i thought she's excited that i came back and then disappointment and i realized that she thought it was an apparition of my brother you know that led me into like oh let me figure out how to die in the most epic way possible they finally pay attention to me i guess was my twisted yeah lightning strike that i got that moment and i i went uh i ended up in such a place and such experiences that i'm not here talking to you you know it put me on a path for me and again part of the meaning behind that and the cyclical nature of that um i wanted to die epically somewhere or die somewhere i didn't have the balls to do it myself or i did i didn't see that as powerful enough so i chose to go into a weird career path that would put me on a pretty clear way of doing that uh the bullets the bullets missed you know i was never the guy uh a few times i was pretty close many wanted to be yeah i was looking for it for years um i had this whole concept of dying at 33 you know before 33 i'm gonna you know i'm gonna kick it somehow jesus here or freemason year jesus here or freemason year year okay that's good um i had a plan and everything i was gonna tie myself with a chain to my truck and and drive it into a reservoir if i didn't uh if i didn't manage to do it anyway um jesus didn't happen that way a shit ton of stuff happened that was contrary to that and specifically my daughter being born was the main thing that happened that's awesome yeah once your heart is out of your chest and walking around you need to stay i think so i had to do and still doing a lot of work on myself to try and you don't realize how many self-destructive ways you have you know one is your job is one way of being self-destructive the food you eat the alcohol you consume the drugs you take the women you frequent all these are ways of killing ourselves and you know usually at the at the bottom of all that is a self-hatred which i've had for years after that event that i had with my mom do you think you've gotten rid of that no it's still very much there or is it diminished at least it is uh it is being sewn together i think by two things my daughter's helping me heal that because she's about to she's about to go through the 13s and the teens so my whole mindset is i don't want her to repeat what i had to go through so i'm being present i'm doing everything i can for whatever generational curses i had with me to be chained to me and to be drowned with me when i leave and not be passed on to her so that's one aspect of it like men mentalities on life yeah yeah like being present you know being positive about not being paranoid all the time i'm changing some of that aspects uh focusing on her education uh putting her into like sports and like figuring her life out in a in a better way and cutting out alcohol which has been a ginormous uh weight on my family for generations congrats on that what are you five six years five years that's awesome um shout out to my sponsor uh randy lead singer of lamb of god is my sponsor shout out randy randy is the best fucking sponsor in the world he's talked me down so many times um but uh inside i don't know sobriety is not for everybody like i get it like drinking fuck i remember it man i wasn't a drinker that would drink like hey let's have some whiskey and i was like hey it was a good good talk to you go to my house and drink like a 12 pack or maybe half a bottle of mescal and taste go into the sleep the the uh dreamless sleep stage was my favorite thing to go into dreamless sleep stage drunk sleep is no dreams oh that's that's what i was always running after and basically i put a pause button on all my dreams for for years which is not good for your mental health um so when i finally let that go i i had all of them show up at once that's pretty fucking wild ride um the the whole aspect of of death in my life is uh you can have many deaths in one life people think it's like a destination it's not um what's the only eternal thing you can experience in this simulation that we're in now it's always going to be now right presence so that's one how many times can you die in one lifetime shit done dude i've reinvented myself like four times already and it's it's it's uh not easy um death shouldn't be something you fear it shouldn't be you want to meet it on it on your own terms you know you don't want it to show up suddenly you don't want to walk in traffic or anything shit like that but death shouldn't be viewed as a pursuing predator behind you death shouldn't be viewed as a destination you're dreading it should be something next to you next to you yeah reminding you you're gonna die enjoy enjoy it and how do you enjoy it right now being present you know and that's that's that's the philosophy behind that people don't want to die they don't want to die they don't want to die and i think that's the philosophy behind that people don't want to die they don't want to die they don't want to die and i think that's the philosophy behind that people have taken that and turned it into a whole myriad of shit and i gave a i gave a a statue that had a drug load inside of it way back when that i found uh to sean ryan it was empty by then uh but i just gave this cool souvenir and i think he shot it with a rifle because of a christian guy he had on he said that was demonic all the alcohol bottles behind it weren't demonic but that statue specifically was kind of he said he shot it he shot it which is fine this is the fucking statue like it doesn't mean anything but all those alcohol bottles behind the statue were way more costly for people so i found that interesting that was kind of separate um there's in my life i think yeah death has been very present in my life and the more i ran from it or the more i kind of like try to skirt it or fear it or like look away the worse it got for me so once i accepted it it was funny the samurais talk about it you know most warrior cultures talk about it something that It's been with us forever. There's always this memento mori or just realizing that death is essential. Would you say you fear or don't fear death at this point? I fear a purposeless life. A purposeless life. Well, you haven't lived a purposeless life, so I think you're in good shape. And through that, that's how I venerate life. Interesting. And there is no life without death, though. That's right. So that's the yin and the yang, right? Yeah. The secret of the yin and the yang is that they're both the same. I think that's my personal, at least, philosophy with these. I look at a full picture of all the things you've done, though, and the mentality that at one point you had, like, I got to go out in a ball of lightning and all that. And yet all the situations you were in where you could have just taken one step to the left and said, I'll let that one hit me. That's badass. You didn't. There's something. I tried. Yeah, you tried. But the way you think about it is you're trying, but something in you was a survivor, too. Yeah. Isn't that fascinating that you could think one thing and while actively thinking that, act the other way? And now here you are? Yeah. And you have a daughter. You're a father. Your life has an importance that is even beyond the stuff you were doing in so many ways. Yeah. The biggest thing that, like, I talk to people that went through shit all the time. I had a pretty amazing conversation with Eddie Gallagher, for example. Shout out, Eddie. Eddie is an amazing man. An amazing. You know how I know he's amazing? His family. His family is awesome. Yeah. There's no way to fake that. Yep. That's how you. And whenever I ask people, like, hey, you want to judge me? Meet my kid and ask her what she thinks about me. Yeah. Right? With everybody that I've met that gone through some shit, heavy shit, I always compare notes. I was like, hey, how do you deal with it? You know? There's always this sadness in a lot of us. This feeling that we've missed out or that we are not going to get to have something that we see around us all the time. Which is. It's. It's. People taking everything for granted, you know? Just fucking walking through life, fucking eating whatever they want, fucking doing horrible shit to other people, just being self-centered, fucking just being these narcissistic monsters. And they win in life sometimes, you know? And people like us that actually did something with our lives, that went and fought in battles and wars that were not our own, but that's what we went after. We sacrificed a lot and we didn't come back complete. There is an amputation in violence that happens, and there's a chemical change in violence that happens. And a lot of us don't come back the same. A lot of us do not come back the same. And we expect the worst of the world because we've seen it. So, like, one thing I used to have a lot, still every now and then I get it. I'm in a good place. I'm at peace. I'm in a birthday celebration with these people that I love. And then I'm smelling burnt flesh because I'm walking into a room where somebody just got fucking burned alive in some horrible place down in my past. So, it is like a time tunnel. You go back and forth, and it is difficult to kind of move through. And somewhere in that is the self-hatred that you get from it. Self-hatred. Because you were there? Because my issues are affecting people around me, and I'm unbearable. There's something wrong with me. You isolate. You use drugs. You drink. There's a bunch of ways we figure out how to self-sabotage. And, yeah, you're suicidal one day, and you're like, okay, I'm done with that. I don't want to kill myself. Why are you eating like shit, though? Oh, let me get rid of that. Why are you going after all these horrible women? Why are you living that way? You asked me, like, do you think I've got rid of it, like rid of this self-destructive thing? I think I'm in a room right now where I've seen how it could be in my life. I met an amazing woman. It's always usually women that kind of pull you out of that shit. Ain't that funny? Completely opposite. She's horrified about all this. She's horrified. All of this. She has put a mirror up to my face. A kind mirror. It's hard to see the realities of who you are and what I'm known for and all the things that I do. Dude, I'm a nerd. I like going to my house and just reading a book. Or watching the Lord of the Rings expanded version, you know? I'm not into any of this war fighting shit. I don't, I don't, I'm not into that. Every now and then I get asked to go to a gun range. You know, like shooting. I'm not into it, man. I'd rather, I don't know, I'd rather go to the beach and walk my girlfriend's dog there or something. You know, that's, I don't, that's not, I'm not after any of that. There's, there's a, there's a painting behind me. Which just reminds me of where I'm at, you know? I don't want to go to heaven, wherever, wherever Maximus wanted to go to. But I, I've always had this vision. And this vision is of me drowning in a pool of water, holding on to all the chains that I've wrapped myself in throughout my life. And instead of handing them to my daughter, I just hug them with me and I just go into the water. And I think that would be a good ending. A lot of the shit that we think is special or individual to us, like, I have no, nobody's ever gone through this. Like, look at how fucked I am. Right. Like, if you go back one, two members of your family, it's the same thing. And we're just repeating it over and over again. Oh, yeah. I came from that. And I just don't want to repeat it anymore. And, dude, fresh starts. You can get them. You can get second chances. You can get a new life. And again. Death is always present. But you can die a lot of times in life. And I think that's where I'm at. I'm going through another resurrection. That's a good way to put it. You know what, though? You've clearly made some amazing decisions in your life at multiple points to make a turn in the road. Yeah. And I think you deserve a ton of credit for that. Because a lot of times that's the hardest part. Because you've got to get right on the other side of that. It could be something like, you know, you went through alcoholism and came off the other side of that. I'm sure the beginning of that sucked. It was horrible. It's your body. It's just like fighting back against itself. You want to die. Yeah. But, like, I think the I'm always so amazed by the ability of people, whether it's alcohol or a drug or something like that, to then be finally have a moment where they're like, no more. And then they get through that hard part. And then it gets slightly easier. Yeah. It's slow, but it's slightly easier because they earn it. And that's the mental fortitude to do that is never lost on me. I think that's awesome. And, like, you know, you've gone through so much and so much personal trauma and seen so much shit. Like, you can never delete that hard drive. But to see you in a place where, like, you survived all of it, you did a lot of things where you made sure you pulled yourself up to survive on it, which is a great example for everyone, not the least of which is your daughter. And, like, you have multiple purposes. And your life, like being a father and, you know, someone that, like you said, is taking the chains of the things that you've brought up and trying to bury them with you so that it's not passed on. I think that's, like, what's a better legacy than that? And well is the best legacy you can have, which is, like, where the holy dead come from. Yeah. What does it say on the back, by the way? This is, like, it's all in Spanish. It says, Yeah. Yeah. The holy death of work. So people think that the holy death is, like, its independent thing. The holy death comes from people praying for a good death. Hmm. And actually, one of the places where that actually originated was a mining town in Zacatecas, where people would go into mine shafts and they didn't know if they were going to come out. And they prayed for a holy death. Somewhere in the mixture of that, it turned into praying. To the holy death. Hmm. So that's where it comes from. Again, it's Catholic. It was venerated inside of a Catholic church in Zacatecas for 200, 300 years. Somewhere in the 2006 era, a bishop came to the town, saw the statue and said, Hmm, this doesn't need to be in here. And kicked it out. And it led to it being a forbidden saint. And if you want to make something popular in Mexico, you make it forbidden. That's human nature. And currently, it is one of the most popular faith practices. not only in mexico but here in the united states right now there is also i i don't think i talked with you about this last time but i've talked with sheriff matt thomas about it i think i talked with dave frank about it as well because they've seen it but there's also this very weird you know culture within the cartels where they bastardize religion basically catholicism into the occult yeah so so a few things there which i'm like i'm glad you brought this up because i am way into all of that oh yeah for no other reason than i'm not again i don't again i will repeat this i don't believe that there's a skeleton in the sky uh doing me favors like a genie right which is the belief that a lot of people in in this in in that realm have um i i know personally the the lady that keeps the giant holy death altar in mexico city uh doña queta amazing lady catholic very catholic uh but she has this death statue that a lot of people show up there and give candles to um she is a community leader she pays for a lot of operations and and people just lives getting better in the area she's a community leader she's an amazing woman she gets vilified by people because she represents a faith practice that a lot of marginalized people go to and a lot of the people in the cartels are marginalized people so that's not justifying what they do that's just realizing why they're why they gravitate towards a forbidden saint sure hey it's kelly roland you may not know this but i have eczema so i get how it can steal your time but why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about ebglis ebglis labrakizumab lbkz a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or 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met and most of the high level cartel members that i've seen el mencho catholic los chapitos catholic most of the other high level cartel guys out there very christian so the marginalized occult stuff like that you see are on the bottom side of that of that scale but most of the leadership that i've seen are not praying to weird death deities or demonic entities they're christian one of the things that el mencho left behind was a whole book of prayers that he would write he was very catholic so he doesn't fit how can he really be catholic though you know what i mean like i mean cognitive dissonance to an extent that i can't even comprehend in a human mind but he had a small altar for to uh malverde not not malverde uh to uh saint jude in his in his little space saint jude like the saint of kids yeah san jude uh in mexico san jude is the last saint you pray to because you might get hudas in there that's why they they that's the last the basically a patron saint of lost causes yeah now that's interesting the symbolism there yeah so he had a saint who's as you said patron saint of lost causes but is known very much with pediatric serious sicknesses he was sick a little bit he was sick but hold on a minute i'm just playing with this live i never heard this before yeah his life went the wrong way he became a violent man was responsible for killing a lot of people moving a lot of drugs doing a lot of things that affects all populations including kids but for the sake argument let's say it's an adult's game yep okay but in his catholicism and in his private life and in an altar that he would make for himself where he would go try to i guess make right for whatever sins he then would continue to do in his life the symbolism he chose was a saint that represented kids who are supposed to be pure and young and you know have hope for a better life yeah there's a lot going i need a i need actually someone who's actually a psychologist to look at that but there's a lot going on there in mexico uh sanjudas is the last saint you pray to because you might get judas in your prayers so like that's why they avoid him and in some of the more underground cultural things there's actually a belief that depending on which side hand he's holding his staff it could be who does like judas escariot or it could be saint judas so it's the whole thing it's one of the most popular saints in mexico and one of the most popular saints amongst cartel members so i understand how sensational and and attention grabbing it is when you see holy death prayed to by the cartels the leadership are usually catholic right so it's not interesting the under yeah the under guys the marginalized people who are poor desperate who probably got some issues with the church they pray the devil of cold if you will they they will look for intermediaries um one of the biggest uh growing uh faith practices in mexico holy death is one of them and when i say holy death the people praying to death like a genie that will grant them protection when they go into like dangerous shit is one side of it but the vast majority of it are just like catholic ladies and women and and people who just view it as like oh culturally i learned this through my parents and i have death present and it is something that i find comfort in that i don't have to worry about anything because hey i have a relationship with death what am i worried about dying it's fine right so you see an aspect of that but also you see the dark aspect there is a fucking dark aspect to some of these practices um there's three places where some of these come from and number one one of the first signs of this narco occultism that we saw in mexico was through a guy they called el narco satanico the narco satanic uh guy um constancio was his last name can't remember his whole name right now but he was basically somebody that brought afro-caribbean faith practices with him yeah that guy cool hair by the way great hair i'm trying to figure that cut out i guess with the it's like that 80s thing going on 80s 90s thing he got cut up because he ordered his cult to abduct uh kid from texas who was on spring break or something like that and he needed his brain to feed his prenda his brain his brain so a prenda is something within the palo faith practices that come from afro-caribbean faith practices in africa basically they believe that you can house a spirit or a dead a spirit of the dead within these cauldrons that they have and if you feed it it will grant you things this is a faith practice that was brought into mexico probably somewhere in the 50s and 60s and it has been growing like underground for years you hear a lot about santa marta it's very in the public it's out there people venerate with statues and they do these processions it's not an occult thing it's not a cult it's open in the open this palo stuff and this some afro-caribbean blood and sacrifice thing is underground a lot of stories in mexico have ties to it it does believe in and again i'm i'm just speaking about what's been going on out there there have been a lot of people in the celebrity world in mexico who have been revealed to be practitioners of this and have been tied to blood sacrifices and human sacrifice um a lot of these uh cauldrons that you find out there have bones inside of them and human bones um and you might get them from a cemetery or from a grave robber but some people get them from their enemies um when you talk about some of the occult or darker stuff out there i think that's that's what we that's what most americans are kind of talking about you see the santa marta stuff it's iconography it is out there yeah there's some dark stuff around there but some of the afro-caribbean stuff the santeria the palo stuff that's what that's what the cartel guys are believing in not that that's that's low level right right that's that's like a old old old mother's like yeah dark dark stuff yeah things that you feed with blood things that you feed with violence things that are there to give you money and again when you talk about these things you start seeing a lot of the word demonic comes up right now absolutely although they in their in their cosmo vision they see every entity as something essential so they don't have that belief system but they do view it as dark and white magic so there's magic uh magic that is not going to hurt anybody it's just going to benefit me like i need help i need help with my health uh oh that's white magic i need to need help with my health so i'm going to sacrifice this young animal or i'm going to do this horrible shit here as a sacrifice so you give me health and that's dark magic so there's there's that distinction out there um and again these are conversations that i have with these i go and visit all these places uh i visited an altar in tepito where they have a giant bafflement outside of it oh jesus it's like a giant golden bafflement uh statue out there and again you can fear that shit and just then not go there or you can say like anything you fear gives gets power over you it's my philosophy so i went right about that so i went there and i was like what is this about i talked to the guy that runs it and he's exactly who you would imagine would be running now that one that's it right there yeah christ that's uh that's in tepito and there's loads of people to go and visit and put candles up there if you try to do any westboro baptist church shit there or try to do something there they'll kill you yeah um but it is a faith practice it is they there's that's demonic and that is demonic in the sense that that's what they pray to a devil now are they doing human sacrifices or doing any occult shit it's in the open so what it's in the open it's not a cult that it it goes against the word occult because it's in the open they're not trying to hide anything yeah so but the people that are trying to hide some of this shit are some of the older blood sacrifice the youth veneration live forever drawing wealth and that goes across the political spectrum across the social spectrum you get politicians in there you get uh you get um you get cartel members in there you get celebrities in there this is that's i think there is a dark occult scene in mexico but people looking at it are like oh my god this is a public death altar or this this this funny statue in a corner and a kid that walks out with uh sigils on his face tattooed that's he's in the open right that's that's not it you know is it demonic is it bad perspective i guess people have their own belief systems um i i just view it as if you fear it it has power over you it's like a curse the the the thing that i've heard from most of these people that practice these type of stuff is they say if the person you're cursing doesn't know their curse the curse doesn't work so what you give power to yes oh there's a big big lesson in that yes a lot of things yeah so in my life you know i try not burnt i try not to burn like effigies or like fucking get freaked out or don't touch it or because as soon as you start doing that it owns you yeah um i am curious and i need to have educated opinions about things and that means that i have to talk to many type of people uh from all walks of life when i give you an opinion about mexico some of that opinion is formed by speaking to people that might share a different faith practice than i do sure and they're not going to think i'm cool or not trustworthy unless i go to them with some to some of these weird ass places yeah it's just fascinating whenever you're talking about someone in like an extremely dangerous violent organization with a lot of death drugs and everything like the cartels and you talk about any form of religion whether it's like a i don't know a bastardization of it with like a cult type shit or the guys i call mencho who actually think they're like a real catholic i don't know the psychology like i was saying earlier the psychology there is what really is just like i feel like you could do a lot of good studies on that yeah talk with those guys you know and again you it's sensationalistic and it looks like i mean a skull oh god it's scary grim reaper but you know go to italy and see some of the fucking churches they have out there covered in them um uh go to the church of san pancretian where they have them like standing like a skeleton standing with armor and switcherling it's like some of these things are wild there's a lot of bones and dead saints in fucking rooms that they they pray to in catholicism so like it's it's weird for them to be kind of critical about some of that but for me it's like the intention behind shit yeah yes a lot of these cartel members their intention is salvation and desperation salvation and desperation yeah they're doing things that they know are going to put them in the direct line to hell and they're looking for salvation before they go so a lot of them build churches a lot of them you know pay for schools and roads and a lot of them are turning to robin hood characters for the same reason so the desperation is that they know it could end at any moment because of the world they're in the life that they've chosen so they're not going to be able to do anything they feel like in this moment if i can do something good i will and the salvation is that they feel like it's a tit for tat trade kind of game so all right i killed those five fucking guys but i just built a road in a school so that cancels that yeah jesus and i know i know a lot of people out there want to have them like nah man they're going to go in the back room and there's going to be a big devil statue i've seen that up here i haven't seen that up down there realistically there's a lot more of like closeted satanic shit i think up here than there is out there we got three million emails and counting that certainly show some of that for sure i mean that's sad i don't think we can talk here yeah well that's what we're saying all of us all i all i'll say is that it's not a cult if it's in the open and all of this shit is in the open yeah the truly occult stuff is what happens behind closed doors amongst the powerful the rich the elite and that's not more that's like santa marta and all that shit that's poor people shit that's poor people shit it's marginalized people shit um when you talk about some of what they believe you know you want to talk about a demonic institution there's like a a big church in mexico who was behind a lot of people smuggling and rapes that are doing a lot of shit down there that's that's one of them what church is that uh luz del mundo i think the light of the world and i'm not no the light of the world yeah i think that's one of them the organizations out there and again i might be wrong about it but they have a shit ton of investigations i think their leader was in prison here in the u.s or is in prison all right so we'll say pure spec but certainly not looking good here it is united states attorney's office southern district of new york can i just read the headline perfect nison joaquin garcia charged with racketeering conspiracy sex trafficking and child exploitation of members of la luz del mundo church united states attorney for southern district of new york jay clayton special agent in charge of the new york field office of homeland security investigation richard patel and special agent in charge of new york field office of internal revenue service criminal investigation harry t chavez announced the unsealing of an indictment against nassim joaquin garcia and a bunch of other fucking people with all those charges i just read as alleged in the indictment the defendants engaged in racketeering enterprise and exploited the lldm church and persisted for decades to facilitate the systemic abuse of children and women including creation of photos and video videos of sadistic c-sam for decades the joaquin lldm enterprise operated for sexual gratification of nison and his father the former leader of the joaquin enterprise got generational fuck uppery so that is your occult in mexico yeah that is your occult in mexico i for me at least like i get it demon statues and right but they're in public you're out there and this is what you're doing you're doing this is what you're doing you're what's going on in the back and also the they had a public event in mexico recently and their church is still there and they support more in that oh god so so so it's it's uh well they got to live with the i mean they got to live with themselves it's just that you see all the victims that get caught up in shit like this that's the stuff that is horrible for me it's like again like mexico is a weird country or spiritual our spirituality in mexico comes from a cyclical nature we don't believe in good and evil at a base level it is cyclical right right and again catholicism changed that we had the spanish come in the difference between the the u.s and mexico was that the spanish intermingled inter yeah the spanish married into society in mexico oh right whereas in the u.s they didn't necessarily marry the native exterminate right right right exterminated that's interesting so uh when you it and it goes into the more you know why the morena party is named morena no it probably has something to do with the fact that the virgin of guadalupe the most venerated saint in mexico and a lot of latin america is brown um at some point when the conquest happened um you know people want to say like i'm aztec aztec was a tribe of nomads from utah that made their way into the central valley of mexico original mormons yes yes exactly um and uh you know they they weren't like a lot of people want to make them out as being these peace-loving people that they were the aztecs the aztecs that sacrifices are that the human sacrifices weren't real that's something the spanish invented uh no like there's evidence kids in cages there's there's evidence of human sacrifices all over the place and but again own it you know like i i own it culturally i i realize that's in my culture and i realize that's part of who i am there's no but i don't have any issues with it i think at some point when that conquest happened somebody decided to say like hey we need to put up an image of the virgin so these these natives will pray to it but if we make it look too white they're gonna be like who is this right right so when you see the you pull up an image of the vision of guadalupe you'll see a brown native woman wearing a black sash around her waist which is which is something that the aztec women would wear to a wedding and so i think that's something that's very important and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think that's a very important thing to think about and i think that's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think it's a very important thing to think about and i think wings uh if you go back into yeah there she is that that cherub on the bottom is an interesting add-on because those fiery wings are of an eagle not of a dove that you would normally see on a cherub there's a there's an origin story within aztec religion where they say there was a mother goddess kwatlikwe who found a feather on the ground while she was cleaning the holy temple stuffed it in her sash and she became pregnant the moon her daughter and the stars her sons were like hey you can't have another kid we're the most important ones they show up for a war the war god which will possibly gets born fully formed that's uh kwatlikwe that's that's who is probably behind the image of la virgen culturally that's actually like pretty wild yeah so that's in our culture so people want to understand mexico they first have to understand that we come from a thousands of years of like cultures and and and uh there was a lot of things going on spiritually in that area but we come from a cyclical culture sick yeah that's in our dna yeah So that's behind everything. The Morena party called themselves Morena in a very smart way because they took an image or a symbol that is at the center of our culture, which is the Virgen de Guadalupe, which we sometimes call La Morenita, the brown one, as a term of endearment. And think about it. We have a female at the center of our spiritual practice in Mexico. It's not Jesus. It's La Virgen. That's how they sold it to us. Sacred feminine. you know that's that's a difference that's a cultural difference uh and what's the shadow of the sacred feminine death so when you go into the holy death altar you see people dragging themselves with a big statue proving their devotion through physical exertion and when you go to the celebrations of la virgen de guadalupe you see people dragging themselves with the big statues going through physical exertions they are mirrored each other so it's a duality i think realistically a cultural duality that's so fascinating but again when you talk about the occult shit the stuff that people should be worried about oh yeah that's yeah and then obviously like we were saying here there's something it's offensive in all its forms when when satanism occurs and and awful victims are you know there's realized it's it's it's awful in all its forms there is something extra sick about it when it's the most elite people in society who make all the rules that we don't get the vote on by the way yeah for everyone that is just yeah offends me to my core you know and again there's practitioners of all faith practices are evil and good that's right there's a lot of people who are paleros and i know a lot of them my friend conejo the rapper uh conejo shout out to conejo former enemy of mine now we're friends he's a palero great guy i have no issues with him uh he like his practice is pretty cool to look at And again, culturally, that's my thing. I'm not from that area, but cool. I have a lot of Christian friends who call me demonic and tell me that I'm into devil craft and all this type of shit. And I'm like, okay. But also, I like the Bible. I like Jesus. I'm all about it. I have the seal of St. Benedict on my arm to keep the devil away. That's cool. I have the first exorcism on my arm. I mean, look, maybe I'm too simple. maybe i'm just a people person but like my whole thing is i don't like throw stones from glass houses or judge people on things that i don't know and they don't know either you know for my own personal beliefs i do believe like i said earlier there's a god that created all this i think i'm gonna have to humbly face that someday when when i'm not here so when i'm here i try to do the most good i can and treat people well and so i judge people on how do they treat other people and what do they do and how they leave the world a better place than it was like i think that's I don't, maybe I'm oversimplifying it and I'm certainly not the judger of how things should go, but I feel like that's a pretty calm way to live your life. Uh, I'm pretty anti-state. Uh, I move around a lot. Uh, like making people smile and laugh and, and help people out. Uh, I give away a lot of shit. I'm pretty, I think you're a great guy. I live, I live, I live a pretty, uh, Christ like life yes and i've taken communion uh recently i took communion while my business was open my friend prowse showed up he's my pastor and you know i don't consider myself a traditional christian i was like i've been through some shit uh i'm more of a peter type guy you know all right you know sure but uh any faith practice or any spiritual practice that makes you feel superior to other people or special or a supremacist of any kind to me is wrong any faith practice that makes you just that makes you feel justified enough to criticize or go and demand shit from another faith practice that they that's bad all that is horrible and bad that's where religion gets bastardized and completely unchrist-like yes i agree completely man so uh that's what i look at i always look at the witnesses around the people that i'm meeting to see who they are if i can and i don't judge and everybody's a product of their environment i have no idea where everybody come from and what their fucking experiences are all i can all i can tell is like how good they treat other people um and uh you know where they put themselves in a room you know if they put themselves with their back into the room they're a king and they don't want to get stabbed in the back if they put themselves in the middle they want attention uh but if they move around yeah that's who i want to talk to well i i would stay on that normally but we've been talking for so long and there is one thing i gotta hit before you and i both gotta get out of here and that is coming back to the el mencho thing so we talked about this a little bit in the first episode this is the second episode now but you know we talked about the context of like shine bomb and when she was informed of the operation that whole thing was weird and the context of like we never got to see his body or anything like that that's a little weird too how he died is still up for debate as to what it was but the other weird thing is i i had katarina schultz in here right after it happened she was there yeah i took video i saw videos of her like holding bullets and shit like that in here oh she's a so cat we'll go get it but it looked ed it looked the scene looked weird so so what do you think i'll ask you this does it make sense to leave behind the biggest treasure trove of information you could ever find in like dude the men the head of the new generation cartel left his leisures there all this document does it make sense for the the special forces to show up there okay we're done site exploitation what is that i don't know what that is site exploitation is a military term it means going to a site that has intelligence and you exploit it you bring phones put them in a bag faraday we used to do that you know at our level like anything that had writing on it receipts the the garbage with the toilet paper fuck it take that tomb there might be a receipt in there that couldn't tell us something about whatever the fuck is happening here everything was left everything and then some of the like the windows were in place there were random shells that were in the wrong spot like it was so so so from what i get from it is they just want to be done with it they just want to bury this shit they just want to be done with it there is no way in shape or form that any of that documentation can be utilized in us in any sort of legal case against anybody even within with members of the military that might have been on some of those ledgers, there's nothing you can utilize in that space because it was violated by all the people that went into that room, including your friend that went in there and picked up all those bullets. She basically nullified any sort of effort that you could have to say like, hey, I found this notebook here and it has this name of this politician in here. We want to build a case against it. Well, was it there? Did somebody put it there? Like, that was the thing. It was a few days later, and they just left it. yeah well for her to go like it's very strange to me yeah i think i think what i perceive of it is that there was official support and protection of him and it just became too expensive to maintain and they went in there and they probably shot some of their own while they were protecting old manchu and then they gotta pretend that and maybe yeah because there was there was there was a fight yeah there was a bird the burnt fucking yeah that much was clear there was something um and uh it is very weird to leave all that shit just behind yeah unless you're just want to fucking be done with it which i think this is where we are there might have there were definitely people on the ledger that were being paid for protection uh very little money some of them which is pretty weird to kind of see and also you could see how much he was paying his guys - whatever uh but it was a very hard operation it was very hurried uh they were in a rush they just wanted to be done with it and extract the body and not have it being rescued and i understand why they do shit like that the last time you saw the photography of a cartel member's body the family members of uh one of the unit guys that was that was killed in that operation got murked during a funeral so they the military probably learned their lesson as far as showcasing bodies so i can see why they might have not shown the body i don't see why they would leave so much actionable intelligence behind i don't see why the president of mexico would be out and about in a social setting while this was happening those are the things that stick out in my mind as like question marks well you keep looking on those and next time you're in here we'll have more answers i'm sure but hopefully dude it's been great to spend the day with you and uh as always amazing stuff i love bringing you in here i'd love to bring in next year when some more shit's going down but the work you do is amazing your life story is amazing and i'm really glad you're here and in a great mental space as well and i hope that continues i'm about to go walk on the shore it's a beautiful place here and i i think uh it's a beautiful day so this is where i'm at where i'm at now thank you so much for the invitation of course of course and and thank you so much for coming so everyone go follow ed we'll have the links down below you also got some of the coolest cameras in the whole podcast industry as well i'm jealous of that but yeah we'll definitely do this again viva mexico y viva estados unidos somos hermanos bravo grazie well that's italian but we'll go with that anyway been a long day everybody else you know what it is give it a thought get back to me peace hey guys if you're not following me on spotify please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review they're both a huge huge help thank you i wrote a little song to remind you choice hotels gets you more of the experiences you value the cambria 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